Never heard someone make so much sense on e-bike law , I’m 70 and my bike has changed my life to the extent my doctor 100% approves for many reasons ! Many thanks for such an interesting subject.
Here in Queensland Australia, I have a 26 inch 1000W rear hub bike for over 3 years now and I have never been pulled over by the police, but I don't attract attention to myself. The way the law is written in QLD, we can use power assist up to 25Km/h(15mph) then you can only use the pedals to go faster, this means I can cruise at 35Km/h(21mph) as long my legs are moving the police won't pull me over. For me the extra power I need is for hill climbing not speed.
@@slimdunkin117 1000w is the sweet spot in power. You don't need a ridiculous controller or battery to power it optimally and can go about 30mph which is more than fast enough on a push bike especially. It's also good enough for hills if you pedal a little bit as well.
@@slimdunkin117 you're neglecting to factor in the rider's weight! If you weigh as much as a hog, surely performance and speed will fall off the cliff! Likewise, performance and speed will rise if you're 'flyweight' or 'featherweight'! Factor in that!
the cycle manufacturers cheat and say the motor is rated at 250w but has a 'peak power' of 850w, or even 1250w in the case of the Bosch Cargo Line motor
Many excellent points raised there Steve. It’s hypocrisy on steroids. Ditch your car, go green they shout. Soon as a credible alternative comes along they want to put restrictions on it. As as ever it’s about money. They realised that e-bikes can be a car replacement but that means less tax for them. America in the main allow 750 watt motors with speed limits in many states around 28mph. This does mean people can actually look at ditching their cars. This country has always been heavily on the side of draconian attitudes when it comes to allowing people more freedom. I agree a clamp down on morons on Surons is needed. These are in many instances the first choice of drug dealers and criminals. They also steal them from each other. This gives the rest who only want a credible form of transportation a bad name. The 15.5mph nonsense came via EU law. Last I checked we are out of the EU.
We used to be allowed 15.5mph with a full speed throttle before that shit EU law came in. It wasn't good back then either but taking away throttles was dumb.
UK government like any western government gives alot of FREEDOM if you have money to waste like: PRIVATE JETS, SUVS CARS, UNLIMITED HOLIDAY ALLOWANCE ON FLIGHT for the rich. If you're not rich sorry, wait on the line for punishment and extortion
I wish we were out of the E.U. The big problem I see is that kids and adults will ride E bikes and ordinary bikes on the pavements. In my opinion there needs to be limits for any vehicle travelling on pavements. Like my mobility device that attaches to my wheelchair I am limited to 4mph on the pavement. That is fair to me as the average person can walk at that speed so I am no more dangerous than an idiot in a hurry. On the road it's a different issue.
Make sure you pedal as well. If a copper sees you flying along on a bicycle at 30mph without pedalling they are immediately going to know it's not road legal. I've never had police be interested in my 1500w mountain bike.
@@JudeTheRUclipsPoopersubscribe if I'm on the road I just chill at 25 mate and pedal even tho I have no chain atm. If they ask I'm just say its got a new Bluetooth chain 😄 🤣
@@EXPLORINGWITHMATTY get it fixed up and geared nicely so you can pedal it along at 25. When I'm not in a busy area I don't pedal but I do like to help my bike up some of the ridiculously steep hills near my house in Devon.
We need to get a petition together to get the laws xhanged. And start publicly accusing the lawmakers of corporate corruption. And I would like to see you do some videos on ebike range, maybe while carrying spare batteries in panniers.
Totally agree with the CBT passed riders being able to ride up to 1000w and if you have a full motorcycle license..... no limit would be nice. Another issue with e bikes is the weight of the rider. A friend of mine is 10 stone while I am 16 stone..... makes a hell of a difference on a 250w.
@@majordelays4909 you can use any power ebike with a license if you msva it and have it taxed+plated. you will need to follow guidelines so that it is road legal.
I was one of those kids who built ramps and jumped over my friends on my 20" stomper I made, so I totally agree with you, Steve, and well said, my friend you couldn't have said it better respect 👏
Deliveroo has just recently removed a timer for their deliveries. So I'll blame them in first place. The enterprise like always profit first, humanity second
@@rorychivers8769 all we can do is stop on the red, we live in a very dehumanised society where every road has a car first consideration in place like just when we sometimes ride in some cyclelanes we see how impropriate it it. Government is corrupt and will start arranging laws for bicycle taxation through regulation and give more money to banks for sure. Meanwhile the rich folks ride their private jets, suvs and have unlimited holidays fight allowance. This is a brutal world, when things start getting really bad I'll understand why
I think that 1 horse power (750W) with throttle and no speed restrictions makes sense (it'd only do around 20mph) alongside a simple registration system like the rental scooter and a CBT for the riders safety and familiarity. Let's not forget we're on Clown Island in the UK these days with Sunak and crew I don't expect Starmer to do anything he drives an SUV in London......
I will not be registering my ebike whatsoever no matter what speed it goes. It's my bike I built it to pursue my own freedom only God can tell me what to do.
I'd let riders with a CBT and very basic insurance legally ride a 1000w ebike with 30mph maximum speed. That's how it is in some European countries they just treat them the same as mopeds.
If you have an accident with a pedestrian on a non legal e-bike and the police get involved you’re in deep shit, no insurance, Road tax or registration plate, that’s just the start, if the pedestrian is maimed or killed it gets a whole lot worse and possibly prison. Then a civil case against you, blame = claim it’s going to hit your bank account.
If the speed limit was 20mph i think it would be acceptable but any faster than 20mph and alot more people would choose to use an ebike rather than a car and despite the government pushing for greener transport the truth is they dont want people to really ditch cars etc as it brings in to much revenue.
exactly, if we all stopped smoking and stipped using our cars the government woudl be skint insidea month. they get tax from the car sales, tax from the fuel, tax on the makers of the cars, tax on the insurance and even get us to pay the european VAT that we should now not be paying at all... so imagine if no cars , all that money gone.. and gengis khan and his ulez cameras not earning a a penny... they realy dont want us out of our cars. its wh ythey dont want electric scooters. imagine londion with no traffic jams !!!
Truth, so emissions continue to increase. An ebike uses about 1/20 of the energy of a car, so widespread use of ebikes can do more to reduce emissions than switching to EVs until the grid is fully decarbonized.
I've nothing against horse riders , but notice how free from regulations they are . Daddy makes the rules . 1 horse power per horse , no age limit, no poop scoop needed and go where you like 🤩
That is like planning law! Horses were always there! It is change which is legislated against. The Town & Country Planning Act doesn't effect the pre-existing activities of the countryside.
@@pcka12 Dogs have always been here too but there's loads of laws pertaining to dogs, even down to shitting! Horses are aloud to poop wherever and there's no laws on people having to clean it up. But let your dog shit anywhere and you've got 100 eyes on you until you clean it up and if you don't, these eyes will be phoning the council...
@@bluenose7984 except in Northern Climes dogs were never a means of transport, let alone the primary means of transport & dogs being omnivores produce foul smelling faeces unlike horses, however we live in a democracy so you are entirely welcome to petition parliament or whatever & seek to introduce retrospective legislation to bring horses & horse drawn transport into your modern world! 🐎
@@pcka12 I think it's disgusting that horses poop all over our streets, and they were involved in over 1400 road traffic accidents last year! If the elites who run the country didn't give a fuck about horses, there'd be laws in place about them too...
@@bluenose7984 well start campaigning! However you will probably find yourself receiving hate mail from little girls with pigtails. You obviously didn't grow up in the countryside, there's nothing like the smell of horse piss in the morning (second only to napalm as you would find out from the 'Cav' in the film Apocalypse Now!).
What you said at 15:00-15:30 about the "lurch" is bang on. I've found that making slow (less than walking speed) tight U-turns on loose gravel or wet grass is the most dangerous, with even minimum pedal assist and at the lowest gear. I'll either set my pedal assist level to zero, or don't pedal at all and use *only* the throttle (okay with Canadian regulations) until I'm back on solid terrain. I think it's the very slight delay before the pedal assist kicks in that messes up my timing and steering. I'm quite happy with the 500W hub motor, half-grip twist throttle, and 32 km/h speed limiter, on our streets and groomed trails.
it is fascinating to see a video that tackles the question of why something is universally disliked. This kind of analysis can help us gain a deeper understanding of people's preferences and perspectives. It's important to explore different viewpoints and discover the reasons behind them, as it promotes empathy and broadens our outlook. I appreciate the effort put into creating this video and look forward to similar thought-provoking content in the future. - keep up the great content
I live in Australia and i own a Cube Ebike with the 250w bosch motor limited to 25kph (Volspeed v4 fixes the speed limit) however Bosch actually states it peaks over 600w so yes Ebike laws are stupid here....I also built an ebike with the Bafang 750w mid drive with a 52v battery.... but i still ride at the same sensible pace on either, comes down to how you use it not the wattage..
Well said geez , 250w is not enough , it barely carries the weight of the bike . I have an Andy Kirby Kit ( 1500 w) which i fitted - its great - i mostly use level 2 and 3 but out on an open road at night when there is no other road users i use level 4 which is pukka - i rarely use level 5 but it is proper handy if you hit a ballbreaker of a hill - I often cycle from Barking to Southend in the summer and get the c2c train back but since i went electric i can make it both ways ( that is 76miles ) not bad ay - i dident half have a sore arse though !! I used a combination of level 2-3 on the way ( 4 on the hills ) and level 1-2 on the way back -The last few miles have very little power in the battery and that is with pedaling all the way - never throttle only- but in my eyes that is still impressive from a 58v battery that costs peanuts to charge . Bang for buck when you compare it to other forms of transport nothing can touch it - it has been proven that a human on a push bike is the most energy efficient mammal on the planet - add a bit of electric power and then we push theory even further - so why are the government so strict on us when climate change and emissions are so important? Its great that you made a video about it - it needs to be sorted - I am in agreement with the 22-25mph cruising speed - it seems to be the sweet spot and therefore a 750w or above should be legalized . I think the reality is that they will loose alot of revenue if more people take the roads on ebikes as they wont be buying fuel or paying road tax or train fares . We must hang on to the few freedoms we still have left and push for more realistic power outputs for the more experienced riders like ourselves . Keep up the good work geez
I rode a non-electric bicycle from Camden Town to Southend and back in one day. Today I can't even ride a return trip of 20 miles. (Mobility issues) and terrain problems. It's not the vehicle that's the problem it's the person in control. Safety Common sense should prevail something most Politicians and PUBLIC EMPLOYEES (CREATE A CRIME POLICE) ENFORCERS DON'T HAVE. PRIVATE ELECTRIC fold up PUSH SCOOTER for last mile travel "that other public transport DO NOT reach". Should be allowed as they can be folded up just like a child's push chair and carried on said transport. Are we ALL to be put in prison for a murder not committed? Or should the actual murderer be punished? SEEMS WE ARE IN, ITS A "NOT ALLOWED SOCIETY" UNLESS MONEY/TAXES CAN BE MADE FROM ANY ACTIVITY.
@@LevelSports don't bother with 500w, I have one, it is not powerful enough, it is not 2x as powerful as a 250w. I have a 500w rear hub one one bike and a 500w mid drive Tongsheng that I installed myself, this is much better for hill climbing whereas the rear hub is faster on the flat. I am looking at getting a CYC mid drive motor because they are small and can look like a 250w but are powerful for hills. I want to pull a trailer
It’s a load of old bollocks unless you are going at suspicious speeds that are over 30mph then I honestly don’t think the police have the time or resources to check every e-bike that is on the street, I have an e-bike and my top speed is 16.7 mph and more up to 20 mph if the wind is behind me with my own pedal power.
I tear past police on A40 50 mph speed limit and they don't do nothing as long as your legs are pedalling. I looked over to my right over My Shoulder into the police car and I see two beautiful police woman smiling back at me😅 i love my super fast ebike i built. It always amazed me when im pulling up back at home after a long fast ride!!! So impressive, its like having my own horse (🐎 /🚲)
I never follow any laws that contradict my own common sense. Which is why i don't wait at traffic lights if it is safe to go. . I definitely do not listen to government nonsense.
I will not be registering my ebike whatsoever no matter what speed it goes. It's my bike I built it to pursue my own freedom only God can tell me what to do.
The most absurd thing about UK E-Bike laws is that anything that doesn't meet the EAPC criteria is classed as a moped. However, you only need a provisional and a CBT to ride a petrol powered moped but for some completely bizarre unfathomable reason you need a full uk drivers license to ride a 350W pedal assist E-Bike going 16mph. The government clearly just want to discourage e-bikes becoming a widely adopted form of transport, probably because the oil and gas lobby don't like the idea, and because they want to offset all their tax breaks for the super rich by punishing the little man. Anyone making good choices for the health of the whole society deserves to pay less tax.
Just come back from a ride on my converted ebike. It has a 1000w rear wheel motor, a 46v battery, and a twist grip throttle and could be capable of upwards of 30mph, there is a wire which if connected restricts it to 15mph, but is disconnected. Rode a lot on roads but mainly on shared cycle/pedestrian paths. never did more than 17mph, and this was just peddling, I’m 80 so only out for a bit of exercise. Throttle used to get going from stopped and up hills or if a bit of wind. The trick is to keep peddling, even just slowly, just to give the impression.
Only problem is that if you're in an accident and are using something that's illegal, I bet it could be costly. Could be caused by someone else, but you will end up paying for it.
Totally agree with you 100%. I have a cyrusher xf800 750w and I weigh 95 kg. This is ideal for me as a 250w isn’t worth it. When I’m on the road I take it easy, don’t go over 15mph and always keep my legs peddling even if they aren’t actually powering the bike. Politicians are idiots
I can do over 20 on a road bike for a decent amount of time and I'm not even fit nor do I ride pedal bikes I let the electric do all of the work with throttle lol.
You can build high power light weight bikes these days, ten years ago I used to go out and have fun blasting past riders from the local cycling club, my bike could do 30 mph for 40 miles up hill or on the flat, no cyclist can do that up hills as well, ebikes are a superb thing they are just crippled by stupid legislation
As a bike enthusiast, you have to appeal to the whole spectrum of people. If you can get big fat Barry out of his BMW and onto an E-bike by making it look fancy and go fast, then you've won the game.
Good point but it wasn't always like that . At one time you had to have permission and a good reason to go walkies. The church usually controlled wanderers. Now days they control you're traveling by costs of cars petrol , train and bus prices. Thank f...we still have our thumbs untill the gov passes a law to have em chopped off ! Heehee.
tbh the law should rethink the speed to at least 30 to 60mph and take away all laws attached to E bikes and E scooters so people can use these wherever and whenever they want without it been taken off them plus why were they invented in the first place if we cant ride them on the road?
If someone walks out in front of you and it's not your fault the law will be all over your bike like a rash, once they find out it's not 250w then the law will come down on you like a hammer, regardless if you didn't cause the accident. But like many on here I agree with 'don't attract attention'. I knew a guy in London that wore a cord jacket with leather on the elbows and a tank-top (imagine 1970's geography teacher) He used to go around London on his pushbike selling certain ''products''😉 it was a while before folks realised they hadn't seen him for some time and eventually we found out he had brought a mansion in Ireland and retired. The art of hiding in plain site.
A few years ago I had a work colleague who got so hammered one winter night that he decided to go sledging on a sheet of plastic in the pitch dark. His arm was so badly broken he was off work for three months. And, you know what? We were proud of him. That is the combination of bravery and utter stupidity that made this nation great and I applaud him. On the subject of the law, I try to not ride like a tw*t so as not to draw attention to my bike and that seems to do the job. However, I'm not sure Josh would be able to restrain himself.
15.5mph speed cut out is dangerous for a 25kg ebike, I've been in situations on roundabouts that could have been avoided if the bike had a bit more top end. I'm not saying it needs to be a lot more maybe 22-25mph. It's what made me derestrict my old levo with a planetary gear for the speed magnet. Sold that got a different brand, which can be desrestricted with a chip. It's gotta be a reversable process that won't goof my warranty. For off-road, hitting the limiter just before you hit the lip of a jump is also bloody dangerous. Wouldn't have to put up with any of this with sensible laws..
Absolutely spot on! We're new to ebikes last year but everything you've said makes complete sense. Knowing a couple of police officers ourselves they even agree the law regarding the regulations are nonsensical. Keep up the good work. Gareth & Zoe
When I was at school I used to race bikes. I would enter time trials and go as fast as possible reaching speeds in excess of 40mph. Now I'm much older and unable to pedal a bike due to health reasons so I would need a throttle operated bike but its against the law, why? I'm being prevented from doing something that I enjoy and am more than experienced in doing but the law says I can't. I also did motoX as well so I understand how a throttle works but I can't have a electric powered cycle because the law say that I can't. How dumb is that. Nothing would make me happier right now than to be able to enjoy cycling again, the fresh air, the breeze, just getting out of the house for a while, it would mean so much to me. The Government likes to be in control well I would like to be in control of my own life and be able to cycle again. CHANGE THE LAW NOW!
The problem is electric bikes got to the point where people used them as a replacement for small motorbikes. There was a guy I used to see on one going to work doing 30+mph barely pedaling, at that point it's just a motorbike and should require a license and insurance.
I mean what if it was a road bike cyclist doing 30mph or what if that same guy was pedaling is your view just about tax envy? My suggested law would be more along the lines of 20 - 24mph limit rather than power limit. Although only bicycle style not enduro electric motorbikes
To be fair the difference is the experience of the rider. A cyclist that can sustain 30mph unassisted is going to be used to the challenges that speed can bring from stopping distance to predicting other road users. Anyone, for the first time doing 30 everywhere on an assisted bike could cause problems. But, you get idiots on both sides and regulation doesn't stop dumb people doing dumb things.
@@DudeStuff Your average cyclist isn't going to be doing 30mph constantly like a lot of ebikes will. I never mentioned tax and I honestly couldn't care less about it but I think people using the road should be trained and have insurance so everyone is covered if there is an accident.
Used to have cycling proficiency tests in schools, why not do them for e-bikes? The laws at the moment are insane, but that's not surprising. It's cheaper for me to use my car than travel by train, the government love the fuel taxes, they don't want people having an alternative.
I'm not a seasoned bike rider, but I rember doing a triathlon down the west country-much hillier than my home county. I was easily able to go over 40mph on the downhill sections. Terrifying but exhilarating at the same time. The bike was a 1980's Road bike, no fancy carbon frame/wheels. I agree with speed limit needing to be increased for e bikes. I think the age limit would be one step forward with managing e bike risk.
Age is bad a bad limitor - since when do children carry things that prove their age with them, they dont have licences or cards? Just allow it to be 20mph (32kmh) like in the USA, theyve not had problem with that, so why should the more orderly Europeans (generally speaking). :)
I bought 2 e scooters, loved em at first but after a crash and many many incredibly dangerous, idiots, that constantly try to kill me, cars, buses, BLACK CABS absolutely everyone drives past me extremely fast and extremely dangerously close. I did want an e bike but my experience, with both my e scooters, have massively put me off. I am a respectful, reasonable, safe rider but it don’t matter how safe I am, because others put me in danger.
That's because it's probably peaking at 750w or more to get all that weight of you and the bike moving. All the Bosch motors are peaking at 850w or more which is common knowledge if you just take one look at how many amps the controller is putting out
i have a very high powered ebike but i use a cycle analyst controller and a 4 button remote keyfob that can down tune and lock the system into 250 watt and since theres no physical buttons for the police to see ,where it can be changed they have allow it as 250 watt legal ebike .i also have speed limiting on the road ,but can change to full power with one button on the remote ,although i rarely use full power as its faster than most motorbikes
Yep they use the argument they have statistics going slower is safer. Yeah, it's also safer if you sit in your house and never leave it, or never cross a road. Doesn't mean you should necessarily take no risks because not doing anything in life to be safe isn't a life.
I'm old now but in times past I managed 50 mph on tandems and 40 mph on bikes. I used to commute 50 miles a day, average speed 20 mph in a hilly area, I could cover 180 miles through the welsh hills in 12 hours. I've tried an electric bike and was impressed but to buy one and restrict myself to 15mph would make me cry. I use the car instead but the thought of getting a 1kw electric one with 250w stickers on it certainly sounds an attractive position and hasn't yet been rejected.
Go for it.. I don't know what your definition of "old" is, but I'm pushing 60 and still riding up to around 100km per day around Europe with my 2kW ebike for the last 8 years.
@Andy Lee Robinson I've ordered the stickers. I'm 77 and the last 3 years have slowed me down, lung problem says the doctor but nothing can be done about it. You keep going.
@@afreeman1980 Pack as much as you can into it - I suffered a broken pelvis in a right hook with a taxi, bedridden for 3 months and all I could think about was being able to ride again.... Likewise in hospital with covid 3 years ago on oxygen for 6 weeks waiting for the end. I made my peace but missing my ebike and the sun and wind in my hair was tough, but I pulled through and am still keeping on keeping on - I wish many long and enjoyable miles for you too!
15mph is stupid, get on a non e-bike, say a racer for example and easily cruise at 25pmh, it should be increased in my opinion, at this 15mph limit i have so many car drivers just sitting behind me creeping along when they can easily pass, its just absurd.
@@deanoh6414 cars actually don’t take as many risks if you can keep up with traffic. There’s a big difference between 25 and 15 mph if you are on a 30 or 20 mph road
I cannot speak to the UK laws, but here in the USA we have some odd laws with E Bikes ourselves. 3 levels of "acceptable" e bikes and the max speed you can legally go is 28mph. Maybe this is just the American in me, but I personally don't give two shits about the government's laws on e bikes. If I want to build a 50kw bike, then I'll do it and I'll ride the dung out of it. As far as tax and licensing and all that, here you don't have to have insurance for an e bike or a license, but if you convert a bike such as a motorcycle you will have to pay an extra ev fee for registration if you tell them, you converted the motorcycle. So, my solution is quite simple, don't tell them you converted it. I live in a state where we don't require smog checks or any sort of inspection to get a vehicle licensed, so what they don't know, they won't know sort of thing.
I think a reasonable compromise would be to raise the age limit for an E bike to 21, but also up the wattage restrictions to 1000w, allow a throttle and also raise the maximum speed restriction to 20-25mph. 25 miles an hour is more than fast enough for anybody who wants to get around without paddling, as well as for inner-city commuting, without being dangerous. Plus if the age limit is 21, the rider is far more likely to be responsible and follow the Highway Code. Equally, I think a similar age restriction for E scooters, but with a top speed of 15mph, would also be a reasonable compromise, once they eventually decide to legalise their use.
I have a 1500w ebike kit on my bike with pedal assist and throttle but only do 17mph all the time, only time i go faster is if i need more power on busy roads, the government say on thing but do another, ebikes are a nice fun ride out, but anything faster then 30mph is abit daft, why anyone would wanna do 60mph on a push bike is strange lol unless its a stealth which should require a license, i was lucky to try a 8000w stealth on private land and damm it felt good, reminded me of my motorcycle days
Thanks Dude Stuff, I agree. I bought an Engwe Pro 2 at 750W. In my hilly area I get 15miles range on a £350 Lithium battery, I've reached 32 mph down a very steep hill. I seriously would not try that if I felt that would be dangerous of injury or death to me or others. It's just getting there quicker with safety in mind. The UK Law is set for pushchairs & prams by political parasites that know what a bike is but have probably never ridden one since 12.
So many people don't see the real problems about traffic, roads and vehicles. A bicycle, ebike, motorbike, car, lorry or bus they never controlled anyone. The way they are moving it is controlled by the person who is using it. If the person is an irresponsible asshole that's when the problems starts. Many fail to understand that public roads are a piece of land which everyone has to share for the use of getting somewhere. Its not there for idiots to race or have fun. Everyone who's using it should be considerate for others around them regardless of what they use for transport, it doesn't matter if you ride a bike, rolling cheese, wheelbarrow, car or a shopping trolley, it's very important that you know and understand the technical capabilities of it like knowing your acceleration and your brakes. So most of traffic problems starts from mentality.
Agree speed restriction should be increased 20-25. Now we have ULEZ in place, London Mayor Sadiq Khan should be prompting e-bikes with throttles. This would shorly get more riders/commuters on the road and further reduce air pollution.
Honestly mate, I'm 20 years old and already trying to figure out a way to leave the UK. It's ridiculous here we can't even ride a little electric kick scooter because the law classes them the same as a car.
Totally agree I'm disabled and can't peddle and 12 to 15 mph you can't stay stable and wobble and cannot get out of the drivers who don't give us room top speed should be 25mph so u can remain balance and safe and move away from careless drivers u can't stay in a straight line safely when cars are 3 to 4 inches from your handlebars thats why motor scooter dose 30 to 40 mph to go slower is dangerous because traffic can't be bothered to wait at a slower speed and push past to close or knock you off your byke well said and well put
I have a very old ebike with a throttle & pedal control .It is excempt from the rules due to its age .I think the motor is only 250 w but it will go 20 mph given enough time on the flat .I ride all types of bike but when I am on the ebike other bike users try to tell me it is illegal due to the throttle and get very upset when I pass them sat down not pedaling .Some people seem to have issues with e bike riders .I was shocked at first because I always found the biking community nice ,but on a ebike that changes . My elderly mother has an e bike with a throttle ,she has brething problems and wouldnt be able to pedal ,but a throttle enables her to ride along with eveyone else .
If the top speed is limited to 15 mph, why should it matter what level of watts gets you there? This law is pointless because it does not factor in hills. You are correct on the issue of a throttle being safer for junctions, there have been times when I have been in the wrong gear at a junction and getting across it has been dangerous and slow due to the fact that a gear change can only be done when the bike is moving. A throttle gets the rider out of danger quicker, especially at junctions on country roads, blind bends etc. We all need to pester our MPs in order to get the antiquated laws updated
The law is an ass.😂 I was worried about this stuff when i built my first ebike but 3 years later its pretty obvious no one really cares as long as im riding sensibly. Ebike theft and pinctures are more of a worry.😂
No never been pulled over .. they literally don't care.. they don't know enough about it and ATM they don't seem to care enough ATM... I have my ebike for almost 1 year and I ride it everyday.. no pullover .... Literally police have been behind me and nothing ... They don't care
I do believe ebike should be able to be able to do 40mph and 20mph in cross walk heavy places but also just being able to go fast enough to not get hit by traffic because there isn't enough bike lanes...
As soon as I pulled off on my ebike I knew the speed limit was too slow, turning right uphill on an urban road is suicidal. I think WEF 15 minute cities is the reason the uk ebike law is pure crap.
It should be electronic speed control to all cars so they can't do 50km/h in the EU cities preferably gps controlled. That way accident numbers will diminish. When on the highway sure do 130km as no pedestrians are allowed there. E-bikes should also be the same. limit them to traffic road limit 30km/h inside the city and 50km on urban roads. S-pedelecs do 45km per hour (28miles) which is plenty.
Voi hire scooters are capable of 26mph. (local authority approved e-scooters that are road legal) so if it's ok for those to be that speed (bearing in mind, nobody rides them wearing a helmet) i don't see why e-bikes shouldn't be any different.
the arbitrary power and speed restrictions on ebikes are quite silly. Its an overcomplicated solution to a problem we have already solved a long time ago with speed limits. When driving a car, the laws are in place to encourage safe driving behavior. Whereas the ebike regulations are based on arbitrary maximum power and speed. Thats like saying, "hey mate, if your car can go 80MPH its illegal, if your car uses more than a certain horse power its illegal." - with ebikes its not about behavior at all, its about limiting the technology and preventing mass adoption. If everyone started riding an ebike there would be entire industries going bust. Government doesnt want everyone riding an ebike saving money. They will figure out a way to try and take their slice of the pie through taxes or whatever. And they will limit the usefulness of ebikes by limiting the speed and power arbitrarily. Its all about money and greed and power
Completely agree - ebike laws must be liberalized to save civilization and get off fossil fuels ASAP. It is a huge solution to our problems by reducing pollution, car use and ownership. 250W is pathetic. My homemade ebike is 2kW and does up to 30 mph. That's a sweet spot for me, and serves me well over the last 8 years. Luckily I don't live in UK anymore. It is antisocial and irresponsible behaviour that should be outlawed, oh wait, I think we already have plenty of laws for that! I ride with consideration and respect for other users of bike paths and trails and had no issues, but then I'm a responsible adult that loves his ebike, ditched fossil fuels and saving a fortune!
100% agree. Here on the continent the laws are exactly the same and it makes little sense for exactly the same reasons you said. Do I think 750/1000W max power and 40 km/h max assisted speed is okey? Well, seams a little bit high on one hand, but one people don't need to ride the max speed. Cars have speed limiters as well, which are usually set at like 200 km/h or above and most people never get even close to it. How come bikes are capped at 25 km/h? This one is especially annoying as more and more of the streets in cities are getting speed limits of 30 km/h. I'm not gonna lie, I'd feel much safer going about that speed for I hope obvious reasons. In regards of kids I don't see any reason why they should be banned from riding ebikes. Rather, I think some different restrictions could apply, less power, less max assisted speed, lighter bike perhaps. Kids my all means should be riding ebikes, learning how to ride them, learning independence early on and yes, that includes falling down. An ebike for kids should be made in such a way that if it falls it should not be a huge deal first for the kid and second to the bike. Additionally I wish bikes in general, but especially ebikes, should have a bit stronger construction. I'm using mine with a trailer regularly, which is fine for what I need it to do. Having said that, I wish my bike itself would be strong enough to carry a passenger with me. My ebike has max weight of 150 kg, which I think is enough to carry a passenger with me, but the 27 kg limit of the rear rack rules that out.
Totally agree, we will always get nutters on ebikes like we do wiv cars but cars go a tad bit faster so 15mph limit is daft. God just make a law that lets us enjoy ourselves and get someone who knows about bikes to make the law.
I will not be registering my ebike whatsoever no matter what speed it goes. It's my bike I built it to pursue my own freedom only God can tell me what to do.
we have the same nutters in their chav charriots with tinted windows and extra loud exhausts but there is no restriction on power levels or top speed for the type of cars they drive
Police taking advantage of Normal riders who are safely riding around Yet 14 year old flying about on surrons like hoodlums and they arent stopped or checked whilst putting lives in danger
My ideas of how it could be changed are: Leave the 250w class as it is. Introduce a 1000W class with the following requirements: Driver's license or CBT Government run third party rider insurance required. So no limit on the amount of bikes you personally ride, the government get the 'tax' they have struggled to find, third parties have chance to claim in the event of an unfortunate accident! Everyone is happy. Bike gets confiscated and crushed if you don't have rider's insurance! 1000W bikes to have a basic mot but carried out by a local authorised bike shop or authorised mobile bike mechanic. This helps with the safety of less mechanically minded riders. Plus rural riders won't be forced to do what for me would be a 32 mile round trip for an Mot. First registration of bike as simple as self declaration and an initial mot as specified above.Not full MSVA tests! Factory built bikes would not need first test as they would have to be type approved, but this registration process would make life easier for diy builds and those who want to recycle an old frame etc Lighting to be bicycle equivalent not moped spec. No need for number plates but if pressed for it could be just a number associated with the rider insurance and transferable between bikes or for a small fee you can get extra plates for additional bikes. Helmet is rider's choice. But if one is required bicycle spec only. Throttle allowed 20-25mph speed limit, maybe 15.5mph on shared pedestrian cycle paths. Which 1000W bikes would be allowed to use rather than at present thrown to the Wolves of the road as soon as you put a reg plate on the back, but still limited to 15.5 mph max under motor speed!!! I put some of these ideas forward to my local MP(UK), she passed them up the chain. I did get a letter back from the DOT. The short story is nothing will change until the UK can unpick itself from EU law, so sometime never something will happen!!!!!! We can only hope the EU sees sense first!
Here in Tucson AZ we can have 750 watt. As far as I know these are the classes. Class 1 peddle assistance to 20mph. Class 2 throttle assistance 20 mph. Class 3 pedal assistance 28 mph. I raced a road bike, my ebike went 28 and he pulled away from me.
I own a bicycle repair shop in central London the biggest problem I see is poorly put together homemade converted e-bikes, mostly delivery drivers with no care for anyone including themselves with little to no braking ability due to the quality of there brakes they have installed on their bikes, This ruins it for the rest of us. I personly own a bosch driven e-bike with an amazing set of brakes but limited to 15.5mph it should at least be lifted to 20mph to keep up with traffic and to be safer.
glad I found you. fascinating. I am 85 and have just bought a E.Trike 250w it needs to be upgraded for hills. I am 12 stone. I have liked and sub because I like to learn. and you seem to be the best man out there. any advise would be much welcome. Briddy Dorset UK.🤓
I got my self a Fildo T1 cargo bike as i need a bike to get me up hills its a 750 w that only goes around 15mph that speed is ok for me i have Disability's and needed to get up hill i had a Fildo d2 250w that would not get me up hill i have server COPD just one thing from a long list of illnesses had a Tumour removed from my brain last September i love the bike i got it to get me out in the fresh air i did not want to get a mobile scooter as you can not go off road like up a canal or fields and i think it looks good i don't have to peddle i just use the lever i don' go on the road unless i have to we need bikes like this to help us get out and enjoy what life we have left hope this bike law will change as more people like me can still get out ATB This is a Fantastic video thank you very much if i get stopped and lose me bike not sure what i would do ATB
Paul Wood 1 second ago Great video,If you weigh 7 Stone wet through and you're fit 250 watts e bikes are OK but if you're slightly overweight you'd like to go shopping they are completely useless and are a complete waste of time and will not get anybody out of their cars so please change the law and you can still limit the speed to Whatever you like.(1000 watt 22mph)Please don't waste your money on 250 watt motors. It seems the people In charge don't realize who the target audience is; they only target the law for cyclists, not people who would just like to enjoy the experience of riding and shopping without it being too strenuous. I blame the people in charge, the cycling bodies and the government who do not seem to know what to do. One other thing 250 watt e bikes work in Holland only because its flat.
Im a 60 year old male who built a 750 watt befang middrive motor. I live in a rural area you are soon into the countryside but after reading a few articals about the police inpounding ebikes. it really worrys me taking out the bike onto the streets, I have some aches and pains and built this bike to get some exercise. I never ride reckelssly and take care around pedestrians. Now I just feel targeted.
I believe 750 watt should be the motor size , with 20mph limit, me personally the throttle set at 6km isn't a bad thing as I have had an accidental burst from standstill so I can see the sense in that tbf
an e-scooter isn't far different from the electrical/mechanical design of a mobility scooter/electric bike/trike/kids toys. they turn a blind eye most the time for food delivery electric bikes. its just control! if everyone bought one, no one will use public transport, and the tax missing from the system. you're allowed to buy them all day long (lovely tax again). the narrative police use is a statistical formula of accidents/deaths associated with e-scooters/bikes and they are nearly the same as a normal bike. I own and use mine regularly and responsibly. that's not to say the number of pullovers I've had over the years and successfully rode away. (Be respectful)! Police are not the enemy here however if your taking the piss its going to expose you and create statistics for the government to start changing the rules of how we use these machines. I don't know any manual bicycle rider who can peddle 50mph that has ever been caught for speeding without electrical assistance. Its seems to be aimed directly on electrically automated vehicles. The moment you find a little cheat code to save money, there is always some entity that creates finacial conditions on you when you try to save money. Lovely well explained video! ride safe!
personally i think ebikes should be able to go 30mph if they expect us to be on the roads, going between 27-32 i still have cars overtaking looking at me like i should be on the pavement
I totally understand your anger. In U.S.A. California, I ride a 1000w motor 48v 25ah. Battery, 23a controller E-Bike. They sell cars that go faster than the highest speed limit but have rules drivers must obey. Bikes should be no different. Make rules for riders, not for equipment. I’m 68 years old why do you care if I pedal or not. Maybe because of my arthritis, pedaling is painful. I’m a big boy now, if I wish to ride a bike I don’t need to pedal, that’s my choice. Best Wishes Always, SHREK 💚
Agree on all points, 20-25mph would be more sensible and 1000 watt motor would be more realistic. I tend to get the impression that the law was written by some midget riding a bike on city streets in some flat area of the country with no wind. Here in the NW Cumbria, the reality is, its hilly, you get strong head winds down the coast and I am a taller and so heavier rider, 250w isn't a realistic option. I have an e bike but tend to ride a non assisted road bike, also ride motorcycles so have a good idea about speed and the capabilities of power ratings, especially in this area.
100% we are not allowed to do more, the old term rip off Britain still stands true. The last time I checked, USA was 750watt. Europe also. Ive in the ebike game since 2017.
Bosch publishes the max wattage (600w)of its "250w" mid-motor. This is widely used in bikes in the UK. As you no doubt ow know, the government has now consulted users and interested groups over changes to: increase motor power to 500w; and to add a throttle.
I would advocate for 3 catagories under which e-bikes could be sold 1) children Speed limit 5mph 2) Adults (no licence) speed limit (powered) 20mph, with an adiquate minimum wheel size for that speed. 3) adults (licence) speed limit (powered) 40mph. throttle allowed, Requires licence plate; passing a driving test, and wearning adiquate crash protection at all times while riding such vehicles.
Never heard someone make so much sense on e-bike law , I’m 70 and my bike has changed my life to the extent my doctor 100% approves for many reasons ! Many thanks for such an interesting subject.
When a law is stupid it is our duty to ignore it.
Ok, I'll send you my fine to pay then, shall I..? Plonker.
@@TestGearJunkie. you haven't got a fine. Man up sucker.
you homeless or some shit? can't pay for it yourself kid @@TestGearJunkie.
No. It is your duty to go to jail when you break it.
@@Manigo1743 Jail for riding a bike? 😄
Here in Queensland Australia, I have a 26 inch 1000W rear hub bike for over 3 years now and I have never been pulled over by the police, but I don't attract attention to myself. The way the law is written in QLD, we can use power assist up to 25Km/h(15mph) then you can only use the pedals to go faster, this means I can cruise at 35Km/h(21mph) as long my legs are moving the police won't pull me over. For me the extra power I need is for hill climbing not speed.
1000w is nothing lol
@@slimdunkin117 1000w is the sweet spot in power. You don't need a ridiculous controller or battery to power it optimally and can go about 30mph which is more than fast enough on a push bike especially. It's also good enough for hills if you pedal a little bit as well.
@@JudeTheRUclipsPoopersubscribe 1000w hub motor is weak and won’t even get you up steep hills
@Expo Scotland is it a mid drive? A 1000w hub isn’t taking you up steep hills at 25mph
@@slimdunkin117 you're neglecting to factor in the rider's weight! If you weigh as much as a hog, surely performance and speed will fall off the cliff! Likewise, performance and speed will rise if you're 'flyweight' or 'featherweight'! Factor in that!
the law is an ass and puts people off purchasing ebikes if they are law abiding. for everyone else, they do as they please.
the cycle manufacturers cheat and say the motor is rated at 250w but has a 'peak power' of 850w, or even 1250w in the case of the Bosch Cargo Line motor
Many excellent points raised there Steve. It’s hypocrisy on steroids. Ditch your car, go green they shout. Soon as a credible alternative comes along they want to put restrictions on it. As as ever it’s about money. They realised that e-bikes can be a car replacement but that means less tax for them. America in the main allow 750 watt motors with speed limits in many states around 28mph. This does mean people can actually look at ditching their cars. This country has always been heavily on the side of draconian attitudes when it comes to allowing people more freedom. I agree a clamp down on morons on Surons is needed. These are in many instances the first choice of drug dealers and criminals. They also steal them from each other. This gives the rest who only want a credible form
of transportation a bad name. The 15.5mph nonsense came via EU law. Last I checked we are out of the EU.
We used to be allowed 15.5mph with a full speed throttle before that shit EU law came in. It wasn't good back then either but taking away throttles was dumb.
UK government like any western government gives alot of FREEDOM if you have money to waste like: PRIVATE JETS, SUVS CARS, UNLIMITED HOLIDAY ALLOWANCE ON FLIGHT for the rich.
If you're not rich sorry, wait on the line for punishment and extortion
This country is ruled by big oil company shareholders and has been since we took the ottoman empire's oil lands after ww1
I wish we were out of the E.U. The big problem I see is that kids and adults will ride E bikes and ordinary bikes on the pavements. In my opinion there needs to be limits for any vehicle travelling on pavements. Like my mobility device that attaches to my wheelchair I am limited to 4mph on the pavement. That is fair to me as the average person can walk at that speed so I am no more dangerous than an idiot in a hurry. On the road it's a different issue.
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Only if you run into someone, which could be by accident, it’s a big bit of metal.
It’s ridiculous, my answer to this unfortunately is to have 250 watt motor stickers on a 2000w motor haha
Done the same
@@EXPLORINGWITHMATTY ditto Matty always have to keep an eye out for PLOD….
Make sure you pedal as well. If a copper sees you flying along on a bicycle at 30mph without pedalling they are immediately going to know it's not road legal. I've never had police be interested in my 1500w mountain bike.
@@JudeTheRUclipsPoopersubscribe if I'm on the road I just chill at 25 mate and pedal even tho I have no chain atm. If they ask I'm just say its got a new Bluetooth chain 😄 🤣
@@EXPLORINGWITHMATTY get it fixed up and geared nicely so you can pedal it along at 25. When I'm not in a busy area I don't pedal but I do like to help my bike up some of the ridiculously steep hills near my house in Devon.
We need to get a petition together to get the laws xhanged. And start publicly accusing the lawmakers of corporate corruption.
And I would like to see you do some videos on ebike range, maybe while carrying spare batteries in panniers.
Why not draft your own laws first.
nope you just ride ya bike fast fk em
If your MP voted for the law don't vote for them again.
Totally agree with the CBT passed riders being able to ride up to 1000w and if you have a full motorcycle license..... no limit would be nice. Another issue with e bikes is the weight of the rider. A friend of mine is 10 stone while I am 16 stone..... makes a hell of a difference on a 250w.
That has been my view also cbt, maybe even some kind of licence.
But…… the points from these shouldn’t be shared with cars 😮
Or motorcycles 😂
@@majordelays4909 you can use any power ebike with a license if you msva it and have it taxed+plated. you will need to follow guidelines so that it is road legal.
You want to give us a bike riders problems by adding a CBT get the f*** out of it
With CBT we can ride 125cc which can do up or over 70mph so why not also allow 1000w pedal cycles.
I was one of those kids who built ramps and jumped over my friends on my 20" stomper I made, so I totally agree with you, Steve, and well said, my friend you couldn't have said it better respect 👏
Sweet jump! Is that you napoleon
Isn't surprising at all. You get arrested for speech in the UK
I have "chipped" my two e bikes and cobblers to the law. I am in my 70's.
If you’re an illegal fast food delivery rider the law doesn’t apply
Until there's an accident, then it does.
We are never, ever going away, as long as people have a pressing need to eat food. Enjoy your god damn pizza.
@@rorychivers8769 😂😂😂
Deliveroo has just recently removed a timer for their deliveries. So I'll blame them in first place. The enterprise like always profit first, humanity second
@@rorychivers8769 all we can do is stop on the red, we live in a very dehumanised society where every road has a car first consideration in place like just when we sometimes ride in some cyclelanes we see how impropriate it it.
Government is corrupt and will start arranging laws for bicycle taxation through regulation and give more money to banks for sure.
Meanwhile the rich folks ride their private jets, suvs and have unlimited holidays fight allowance.
This is a brutal world, when things start getting really bad I'll understand why
I think that 1 horse power (750W) with throttle and no speed restrictions makes sense (it'd only do around 20mph) alongside a simple registration system like the rental scooter and a CBT for the riders safety and familiarity. Let's not forget we're on Clown Island in the UK these days with Sunak and crew I don't expect Starmer to do anything he drives an SUV in London......
750w motors do 24mph
no registration until over 40 mph, its push bike not a motor bike.
I will not be registering my ebike whatsoever no matter what speed it goes. It's my bike I built it to pursue my own freedom only God can tell me what to do.
I'd let riders with a CBT and very basic insurance legally ride a 1000w ebike with 30mph maximum speed. That's how it is in some European countries they just treat them the same as mopeds.
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If you have an accident with a pedestrian on a non legal e-bike and the police get involved you’re in deep shit, no insurance, Road tax or registration plate, that’s just the start, if the pedestrian is maimed or killed it gets a whole lot worse and possibly prison. Then a civil case against you, blame = claim it’s going to hit your bank account.
If the speed limit was 20mph i think it would be acceptable but any faster than 20mph and alot more people would choose to use an ebike rather than a car and despite the government pushing for greener transport the truth is they dont want people to really ditch cars etc as it brings in to much revenue.
exactly, if we all stopped smoking and stipped using our cars the government woudl be skint insidea month. they get tax from the car sales, tax from the fuel, tax on the makers of the cars, tax on the insurance and even get us to pay the european VAT that we should now not be paying at all... so imagine if no cars , all that money gone.. and gengis khan and his ulez cameras not earning a a penny... they realy dont want us out of our cars. its wh ythey dont want electric scooters. imagine londion with no traffic jams !!!
Truth, so emissions continue to increase.
An ebike uses about 1/20 of the energy of a car, so widespread use of ebikes can do more to reduce emissions than switching to EVs until the grid is fully decarbonized.
Government is corrupt! There are main focus is punishing the poor and get taxes
I treat the ebike restrictions like the law around taping the radio.
@@border304lol same, ebikes are at their best when you have 1-2kw of power available. 250 is just pathetic and it's not enforced anyway.
I've nothing against horse riders , but notice how free from regulations they are . Daddy makes the rules . 1 horse power per horse , no age limit, no poop scoop needed and go where you like 🤩
That is like planning law! Horses were always there! It is change which is legislated against.
The Town & Country Planning Act doesn't effect the pre-existing activities of the countryside.
@@pcka12 Dogs have always been here too but there's loads of laws pertaining to dogs, even down to shitting! Horses are aloud to poop wherever and there's no laws on people having to clean it up. But let your dog shit anywhere and you've got 100 eyes on you until you clean it up and if you don't, these eyes will be phoning the council...
@@bluenose7984 except in Northern Climes dogs were never a means of transport, let alone the primary means of transport & dogs being omnivores produce foul smelling faeces unlike horses, however we live in a democracy so you are entirely welcome to petition parliament or whatever & seek to introduce retrospective legislation to bring horses & horse drawn transport into your modern world! 🐎
@@pcka12 I think it's disgusting that horses poop all over our streets, and they were involved in over 1400 road traffic accidents last year! If the elites who run the country didn't give a fuck about horses, there'd be laws in place about them too...
@@bluenose7984 well start campaigning!
However you will probably find yourself receiving hate mail from little girls with pigtails.
You obviously didn't grow up in the countryside, there's nothing like the smell of horse piss in the morning (second only to napalm as you would find out from the 'Cav' in the film Apocalypse Now!).
What you said at 15:00-15:30 about the "lurch" is bang on. I've found that making slow (less than walking speed) tight U-turns on loose gravel or wet grass is the most dangerous, with even minimum pedal assist and at the lowest gear. I'll either set my pedal assist level to zero, or don't pedal at all and use *only* the throttle (okay with Canadian regulations) until I'm back on solid terrain. I think it's the very slight delay before the pedal assist kicks in that messes up my timing and steering.
I'm quite happy with the 500W hub motor, half-grip twist throttle, and 32 km/h speed limiter, on our streets and groomed trails.
it is fascinating to see a video that tackles the question of why something is universally disliked. This kind of analysis can help us gain a deeper understanding of people's preferences and perspectives. It's important to explore different viewpoints and discover the reasons behind them, as it promotes empathy and broadens our outlook. I appreciate the effort put into creating this video and look forward to similar thought-provoking content in the future. - keep up the great content
its because we live in a socialist healthcare state where the government and the people are all liable for damages
I live in Australia and i own a Cube Ebike with the 250w bosch motor limited to 25kph (Volspeed v4 fixes the speed limit) however Bosch actually states it peaks over 600w so yes Ebike laws are stupid here....I also built an ebike with the Bafang 750w mid drive with a 52v battery.... but i still ride at the same sensible pace on either, comes down to how you use it not the wattage..
Well said geez , 250w is not enough , it barely carries the weight of the bike . I have an Andy Kirby Kit ( 1500 w) which i fitted - its great - i mostly use level 2 and 3 but out on an open road at night when there is no other road users i use level 4 which is pukka - i rarely use level 5 but it is proper handy if you hit a ballbreaker of a hill - I often cycle from Barking to Southend in the summer and get the c2c train back but since i went electric i can make it both ways ( that is 76miles ) not bad ay - i dident half have a sore arse though !! I used a combination of level 2-3 on the way ( 4 on the hills ) and level 1-2 on the way back -The last few miles have very little power in the battery and that is with pedaling all the way - never throttle only- but in my eyes that is still impressive from a 58v battery that costs peanuts to charge . Bang for buck when you compare it to other forms of transport nothing can touch it - it has been proven that a human on a push bike is the most energy efficient mammal on the planet - add a bit of electric power and then we push theory even further - so why are the government so strict on us when climate change and emissions are so important? Its great that you made a video about it - it needs to be sorted - I am in agreement with the 22-25mph cruising speed - it seems to be the sweet spot and therefore a 750w or above should be legalized . I think the reality is that they will loose alot of revenue if more people take the roads on ebikes as they wont be buying fuel or paying road tax or train fares . We must hang on to the few freedoms we still have left and push for more realistic power outputs for the more experienced riders like ourselves . Keep up the good work geez
I rode a non-electric bicycle from Camden Town to Southend and back in one day. Today I can't even ride a return trip of 20 miles. (Mobility issues) and terrain problems. It's not the vehicle that's the problem it's the person in control. Safety Common sense should prevail something most Politicians and PUBLIC EMPLOYEES (CREATE A CRIME POLICE) ENFORCERS DON'T HAVE.
PRIVATE ELECTRIC fold up PUSH SCOOTER for last mile travel "that other public transport DO NOT reach". Should be allowed as they can be folded up just like a child's push chair and carried on said transport.
Are we ALL to be put in prison for a murder not committed? Or should the actual murderer be punished?
SEEMS WE ARE IN, ITS A "NOT ALLOWED SOCIETY" UNLESS MONEY/TAXES CAN BE MADE FROM ANY ACTIVITY.
They should change it to 500 watt and 20mph speed, 250 is taking the piss 😂😂😂
500 isn't enough, why should it matter what the power is if the speed is limited?
@@utubeape I have a 250 watt electric bike it's way to slow, having more watts and speed would be ideal.
@@LevelSports don't bother with 500w, I have one, it is not powerful enough, it is not 2x as powerful as a 250w. I have a 500w rear hub one one bike and a 500w mid drive Tongsheng that I installed myself, this is much better for hill climbing whereas the rear hub is faster on the flat.
I am looking at getting a CYC mid drive motor because they are small and can look like a 250w but are powerful for hills. I want to pull a trailer
My issue is with the range . Until it gets to over 100 miles and is throttle controlled I'll not be bothering 👍
It’s a load of old bollocks unless you are going at suspicious speeds that are over 30mph then I honestly don’t think the police have the time or resources to check every e-bike that is on the street, I have an e-bike and my top speed is 16.7 mph and more up to 20 mph if the wind is behind me with my own pedal power.
I tear past police on A40 50 mph speed limit and they don't do nothing as long as your legs are pedalling. I looked over to my right over My Shoulder into the police car and I see two beautiful police woman smiling back at me😅 i love my super fast ebike i built. It always amazed me when im pulling up back at home after a long fast ride!!! So impressive, its like having my own horse (🐎 /🚲)
I never follow any laws that contradict my own common sense. Which is why i don't wait at traffic lights if it is safe to go. . I definitely do not listen to government nonsense.
Most of the sheeple are Statists. They do as they are told and are far too gutless to question anything
In rural areas sure, but over here in Amsterdam, going 'when it's safe to go' usually ends with a cyclist on the asphalt.
You should be in jail then.
@@Manigo1743 No. you should be in jail for being an idiot.
Nailed it. I love the way you don’t adhere to the usual BS !
I will not be registering my ebike whatsoever no matter what speed it goes. It's my bike I built it to pursue my own freedom only God can tell me what to do.
The most absurd thing about UK E-Bike laws is that anything that doesn't meet the EAPC criteria is classed as a moped. However, you only need a provisional and a CBT to ride a petrol powered moped but for some completely bizarre unfathomable reason you need a full uk drivers license to ride a 350W pedal assist E-Bike going 16mph. The government clearly just want to discourage e-bikes becoming a widely adopted form of transport, probably because the oil and gas lobby don't like the idea, and because they want to offset all their tax breaks for the super rich by punishing the little man. Anyone making good choices for the health of the whole society deserves to pay less tax.
Just come back from a ride on my converted ebike. It has a 1000w rear wheel motor, a 46v battery, and a twist grip throttle and could be capable of upwards of 30mph, there is a wire which if connected restricts it to 15mph, but is disconnected. Rode a lot on roads but mainly on shared cycle/pedestrian paths. never did more than 17mph, and this was just peddling, I’m 80 so only out for a bit of exercise. Throttle used to get going from stopped and up hills or if a bit of wind. The trick is to keep peddling, even just slowly, just to give the impression.
The good thing about the e-bike law is it doesn’t seem to be enforced 😅
Only problem is that if you're in an accident and are using something that's illegal, I bet it could be costly. Could be caused by someone else, but you will end up paying for it.
Thankfully our overburdened law enforcement is stretched far too thin to enforce any such ridiculous laws.
Totally agree with you 100%. I have a cyrusher xf800 750w and I weigh 95 kg. This is ideal for me as a 250w isn’t worth it. When I’m on the road I take it easy, don’t go over 15mph and always keep my legs peddling even if they aren’t actually powering the bike. Politicians are idiots
As long as you're riding safely they won't bother about you.
jsut goes to show they are terrible unenforcable laws
Definitely agree bro. I zip around on my road bike at 28-30mph fairly often
No chance I’m pedalling a bike that’s 3x heavier at half the speed
I can do over 20 on a road bike for a decent amount of time and I'm not even fit nor do I ride pedal bikes I let the electric do all of the work with throttle lol.
You can build high power light weight bikes these days, ten years ago I used to go out and have fun blasting past riders from the local cycling club, my bike could do 30 mph for 40 miles up hill or on the flat, no cyclist can do that up hills as well, ebikes are a superb thing they are just crippled by stupid legislation
As a bike enthusiast, you have to appeal to the whole spectrum of people. If you can get big fat Barry out of his BMW and onto an E-bike by making it look fancy and go fast, then you've won the game.
The right to travel under common law cannot be licenced or have fees placed upon them.
Good point but it wasn't always like that . At one time you had to have permission and a good reason to go walkies. The church usually controlled wanderers. Now days they control you're traveling by costs of cars petrol , train and bus prices. Thank f...we still have our thumbs untill the gov passes a law to have em chopped off ! Heehee.
tbh the law should rethink the speed to at least 30 to 60mph and take away all laws attached to E bikes and E scooters so people can use these wherever and whenever they want without it been taken off them plus why were they invented in the first place if we cant ride them on the road?
If someone walks out in front of you and it's not your fault the law will be all over your bike like a rash, once they find out it's not 250w then the law will come down on you like a hammer, regardless if you didn't cause the accident. But like many on here I agree with 'don't attract attention'. I knew a guy in London that wore a cord jacket with leather on the elbows and a tank-top (imagine 1970's geography teacher) He used to go around London on his pushbike selling certain ''products''😉 it was a while before folks realised they hadn't seen him for some time and eventually we found out he had brought a mansion in Ireland and retired. The art of hiding in plain site.
A few years ago I had a work colleague who got so hammered one winter night that he decided to go sledging on a sheet of plastic in the pitch dark. His arm was so badly broken he was off work for three months. And, you know what? We were proud of him. That is the combination of bravery and utter stupidity that made this nation great and I applaud him. On the subject of the law, I try to not ride like a tw*t so as not to draw attention to my bike and that seems to do the job. However, I'm not sure Josh would be able to restrain himself.
15.5mph speed cut out is dangerous for a 25kg ebike, I've been in situations on roundabouts that could have been avoided if the bike had a bit more top end. I'm not saying it needs to be a lot more maybe 22-25mph. It's what made me derestrict my old levo with a planetary gear for the speed magnet. Sold that got a different brand, which can be desrestricted with a chip. It's gotta be a reversable process that won't goof my warranty.
For off-road, hitting the limiter just before you hit the lip of a jump is also bloody dangerous.
Wouldn't have to put up with any of this with sensible laws..
I have a 750watt ebike and I don't find it any harder or more dangerous to ride than the carbon frame racing bicycle I also own
Absolutely spot on! We're new to ebikes last year but everything you've said makes complete sense. Knowing a couple of police officers ourselves they even agree the law regarding the regulations are nonsensical. Keep up the good work. Gareth & Zoe
When I was at school I used to race bikes. I would enter time trials and go as fast as possible reaching speeds in excess of 40mph. Now I'm much older and unable to pedal a bike due to health reasons so I would need a throttle operated bike but its against the law, why? I'm being prevented from doing something that I enjoy and am more than experienced in doing but the law says I can't. I also did motoX as well so I understand how a throttle works but I can't have a electric powered cycle because the law say that I can't. How dumb is that. Nothing would make me happier right now than to be able to enjoy cycling again, the fresh air, the breeze, just getting out of the house for a while, it would mean so much to me. The Government likes to be in control well I would like to be in control of my own life and be able to cycle again. CHANGE THE LAW NOW!
The problem is electric bikes got to the point where people used them as a replacement for small motorbikes. There was a guy I used to see on one going to work doing 30+mph barely pedaling, at that point it's just a motorbike and should require a license and insurance.
I mean what if it was a road bike cyclist doing 30mph or what if that same guy was pedaling is your view just about tax envy? My suggested law would be more along the lines of 20 - 24mph limit rather than power limit. Although only bicycle style not enduro electric motorbikes
But what’s the difference between a cyclist doing 30 and a power assisted cycle doing 30?
To be fair the difference is the experience of the rider. A cyclist that can sustain 30mph unassisted is going to be used to the challenges that speed can bring from stopping distance to predicting other road users. Anyone, for the first time doing 30 everywhere on an assisted bike could cause problems.
But, you get idiots on both sides and regulation doesn't stop dumb people doing dumb things.
@@DudeStuff Your average cyclist isn't going to be doing 30mph constantly like a lot of ebikes will. I never mentioned tax and I honestly couldn't care less about it but I think people using the road should be trained and have insurance so everyone is covered if there is an accident.
Used to have cycling proficiency tests in schools, why not do them for e-bikes? The laws at the moment are insane, but that's not surprising. It's cheaper for me to use my car than travel by train, the government love the fuel taxes, they don't want people having an alternative.
I'm not a seasoned bike rider, but I rember doing a triathlon down the west country-much hillier than my home county. I was easily able to go over 40mph on the downhill sections. Terrifying but exhilarating at the same time. The bike was a 1980's Road bike, no fancy carbon frame/wheels. I agree with speed limit needing to be increased for e bikes. I think the age limit would be one step forward with managing e bike risk.
Age is bad a bad limitor - since when do children carry things that prove their age with them, they dont have licences or cards? Just allow it to be 20mph (32kmh) like in the USA, theyve not had problem with that, so why should the more orderly Europeans (generally speaking). :)
I bought 2 e scooters, loved em at first but after a crash and many many incredibly dangerous, idiots, that constantly try to kill me, cars, buses, BLACK CABS absolutely everyone drives past me extremely fast and extremely dangerously close. I did want an e bike but my experience, with both my e scooters, have massively put me off. I am a respectful, reasonable, safe rider but it don’t matter how safe I am, because others put me in danger.
I've got a Giant fathom E Pro, with 85nm of torque, I'm just over 22 stone , and it shifts me of the start very well with a 250w motor.
That's because it's probably peaking at 750w or more to get all that weight of you and the bike moving. All the Bosch motors are peaking at 850w or more which is common knowledge if you just take one look at how many amps the controller is putting out
i have a very high powered ebike but i use a cycle analyst controller and a 4 button remote keyfob that can down tune and lock the system into 250 watt and since theres no physical buttons for the police to see ,where it can be changed they have allow it as 250 watt legal ebike .i also have speed limiting on the road ,but can change to full power with one button on the remote ,although i rarely use full power as its faster than most motorbikes
I know I’m 10 months late lmao, but have you got a link to these devices?
Ignore the Karens and haters. Ride On!
They don't want us to have cheap transport or any transport..... as a motorcyclist a powerful controllable e-bike is safer...
Fun is banned in the UK.
Yep they use the argument they have statistics going slower is safer. Yeah, it's also safer if you sit in your house and never leave it, or never cross a road. Doesn't mean you should necessarily take no risks because not doing anything in life to be safe isn't a life.
I'm old now but in times past I managed 50 mph on tandems and 40 mph on bikes. I used to commute 50 miles a day, average speed 20 mph in a hilly area, I could cover 180 miles through the welsh hills in 12 hours. I've tried an electric bike and was impressed but to buy one and restrict myself to 15mph would make me cry. I use the car instead but the thought of getting a 1kw electric one with 250w stickers on it certainly sounds an attractive position and hasn't yet been rejected.
Go for it.. I don't know what your definition of "old" is, but I'm pushing 60 and still riding up to around 100km per day around Europe with my 2kW ebike for the last 8 years.
@Andy Lee Robinson
I've ordered the stickers.
I'm 77 and the last 3 years have slowed me down, lung problem says the doctor but nothing can be done about it.
You keep going.
@@afreeman1980 Pack as much as you can into it - I suffered a broken pelvis in a right hook with a taxi, bedridden for 3 months and all I could think about was being able to ride again.... Likewise in hospital with covid 3 years ago on oxygen for 6 weeks waiting for the end. I made my peace but missing my ebike and the sun and wind in my hair was tough, but I pulled through and am still keeping on keeping on - I wish many long and enjoyable miles for you too!
15mph is stupid, get on a non e-bike, say a racer for example and easily cruise at 25pmh, it should be increased in my opinion, at this 15mph limit i have so many car drivers just sitting behind me creeping along when they can easily pass, its just absurd.
Invalid argument cars will be up your chuff at 20, 25, 40 so any limit in arbitrary.
@@deanoh6414 cars actually don’t take as many risks if you can keep up with traffic. There’s a big difference between 25 and 15 mph if you are on a 30 or 20 mph road
I cannot speak to the UK laws, but here in the USA we have some odd laws with E Bikes ourselves. 3 levels of "acceptable" e bikes and the max speed you can legally go is 28mph. Maybe this is just the American in me, but I personally don't give two shits about the government's laws on e bikes. If I want to build a 50kw bike, then I'll do it and I'll ride the dung out of it. As far as tax and licensing and all that, here you don't have to have insurance for an e bike or a license, but if you convert a bike such as a motorcycle you will have to pay an extra ev fee for registration if you tell them, you converted the motorcycle. So, my solution is quite simple, don't tell them you converted it. I live in a state where we don't require smog checks or any sort of inspection to get a vehicle licensed, so what they don't know, they won't know sort of thing.
I think a reasonable compromise would be to raise the age limit for an E bike to 21, but also up the wattage restrictions to 1000w, allow a throttle and also raise the maximum speed restriction to 20-25mph.
25 miles an hour is more than fast enough for anybody who wants to get around without paddling, as well as for inner-city commuting, without being dangerous.
Plus if the age limit is 21, the rider is far more likely to be responsible and follow the Highway Code.
Equally, I think a similar age restriction for E scooters, but with a top speed of 15mph, would also be a reasonable compromise, once they eventually decide to legalise their use.
Just bought my first EMTB at 51 and lovin' it. Great informative video for people who are new to the scene like me, keep up the good work !
I have a 1500w ebike kit on my bike with pedal assist and throttle but only do 17mph all the time, only time i go faster is if i need more power on busy roads, the government say on thing but do another, ebikes are a nice fun ride out, but anything faster then 30mph is abit daft, why anyone would wanna do 60mph on a push bike is strange lol unless its a stealth which should require a license, i was lucky to try a 8000w stealth on private land and damm it felt good, reminded me of my motorcycle days
When laws are dumb and unenforceable, break them. We are the people that ultimately decide.
Here in new zealand i ride my 15kw ebike around and ive never had a problem
Thanks Dude Stuff, I agree. I bought an Engwe Pro 2 at 750W. In my hilly area I get 15miles range on a £350 Lithium battery, I've reached 32 mph down a very steep hill. I seriously would not try that if I felt that would be dangerous of injury or death to me or others. It's just getting there quicker with safety in mind. The UK Law is set for pushchairs & prams by political parasites that know what a bike is but have probably never ridden one since 12.
So many people don't see the real problems about traffic, roads and vehicles. A bicycle, ebike, motorbike, car, lorry or bus they never controlled anyone. The way they are moving it is controlled by the person who is using it. If the person is an irresponsible asshole that's when the problems starts. Many fail to understand that public roads are a piece of land which everyone has to share for the use of getting somewhere. Its not there for idiots to race or have fun. Everyone who's using it should be considerate for others around them regardless of what they use for transport, it doesn't matter if you ride a bike, rolling cheese, wheelbarrow, car or a shopping trolley, it's very important that you know and understand the technical capabilities of it like knowing your acceleration and your brakes. So most of traffic problems starts from mentality.
he's got a point, I need to do dumb shit to keep me sane - 16mph is to slow can get up to 25mph on my road bike without much effort.
Agree speed restriction should be increased 20-25.
Now we have ULEZ in place, London Mayor Sadiq Khan should be prompting e-bikes with throttles. This would shorly get more riders/commuters on the road and further reduce air pollution.
Most of the laws in this country are stupid, I don't see why this would be any different.
The longer I live, the more I hate this place..
Honestly mate, I'm 20 years old and already trying to figure out a way to leave the UK. It's ridiculous here we can't even ride a little electric kick scooter because the law classes them the same as a car.
Same here
No, they are not stupid. Laws are there for a reason. It is you who are too stupid when you can't see that.
Totally agree I'm disabled and can't peddle and 12 to 15 mph you can't stay stable and wobble and cannot get out of the drivers who don't give us room top speed should be 25mph so u can remain balance and safe and move away from careless drivers u can't stay in a straight line safely when cars are 3 to 4 inches from your handlebars thats why motor scooter dose 30 to 40 mph to go slower is dangerous because traffic can't be bothered to wait at a slower speed and push past to close or knock you off your byke well said and well put
I have a very old ebike with a throttle & pedal control .It is excempt from the rules due to its age .I think the motor is only 250 w but it will go 20 mph given enough time on the flat .I ride all types of bike but when I am on the ebike other bike users try to tell me it is illegal due to the throttle and get very upset when I pass them sat down not pedaling .Some people seem to have issues with e bike riders .I was shocked at first because I always found the biking community nice ,but on a ebike that changes .
My elderly mother has an e bike with a throttle ,she has brething problems and wouldnt be able to pedal ,but a throttle enables her to ride along with eveyone else .
If the top speed is limited to 15 mph, why should it matter what level of watts gets you there? This law is pointless because it does not factor in hills.
You are correct on the issue of a throttle being safer for junctions, there have been times when I have been in the wrong gear at a junction and getting across it has been dangerous and slow due to the fact that a gear change can only be done when the bike is moving. A throttle gets the rider out of danger quicker, especially at junctions on country roads, blind bends etc.
We all need to pester our MPs in order to get the antiquated laws updated
The law is an ass.😂
I was worried about this stuff when i built my first ebike but 3 years later its pretty obvious no one really cares as long as im riding sensibly.
Ebike theft and pinctures are more of a worry.😂
Have you ever been pulled over? Just curious as I’m thinking of building one myself
No never been pulled over .. they literally don't care.. they don't know enough about it and ATM they don't seem to care enough ATM... I have my ebike for almost 1 year and I ride it everyday.. no pullover .... Literally police have been behind me and nothing ... They don't care
I do believe ebike should be able to be able to do 40mph and 20mph in cross walk heavy places but also just being able to go fast enough to not get hit by traffic because there isn't enough bike lanes...
40!! No way
At that point it's no different to a moped which requires a license and insurance...
@@elobiretv ha yeah right, I'm not saying to go 60mph 🤣 relax most bikes could go 35mph with the right gearing and conditions regular bikes lmao
@@Zensaitv There's quite a difference between going 35 on pedal power than some yobbo scooting past using a thumb throttle...
As soon as I pulled off on my ebike I knew the speed limit was too slow, turning right uphill on an urban road is suicidal. I think WEF 15 minute cities is the reason the uk ebike law is pure crap.
Can you imagine road laws being brought in to restrict power of cars and prevent them going over 70? So why is it essential to do this to E-bikes?
Yeah should be based more on speed fair play of the police catch you doing over 30 on flat ground without pedaling
It should be electronic speed control to all cars so they can't do 50km/h in the EU cities preferably gps controlled. That way accident numbers will diminish. When on the highway sure do 130km as no pedestrians are allowed there. E-bikes should also be the same. limit them to traffic road limit 30km/h inside the city and 50km on urban roads. S-pedelecs do 45km per hour (28miles) which is plenty.
How about a massive demonstration on our e-bikes to protest all these silly laws?
I watched your video about the TV licence and ended up building a ebike lol.
Police STOLEN my Ebike 😭
Unlawful stop 🛑.... saying I was going 22mph 😮 DOWNHILL
I have an ebike to get around because i have diabetes and cant get a car or motorbike due to my blood sugar
Voi hire scooters are capable of 26mph. (local authority approved e-scooters that are road legal)
so if it's ok for those to be that speed (bearing in mind, nobody rides them wearing a helmet) i don't see why e-bikes shouldn't be any different.
The government or council are making money. Thats all its about
the arbitrary power and speed restrictions on ebikes are quite silly. Its an overcomplicated solution to a problem we have already solved a long time ago with speed limits. When driving a car, the laws are in place to encourage safe driving behavior. Whereas the ebike regulations are based on arbitrary maximum power and speed. Thats like saying, "hey mate, if your car can go 80MPH its illegal, if your car uses more than a certain horse power its illegal." - with ebikes its not about behavior at all, its about limiting the technology and preventing mass adoption. If everyone started riding an ebike there would be entire industries going bust. Government doesnt want everyone riding an ebike saving money. They will figure out a way to try and take their slice of the pie through taxes or whatever. And they will limit the usefulness of ebikes by limiting the speed and power arbitrarily. Its all about money and greed and power
Completely agree - ebike laws must be liberalized to save civilization and get off fossil fuels ASAP. It is a huge solution to our problems by reducing pollution, car use and ownership.
250W is pathetic. My homemade ebike is 2kW and does up to 30 mph. That's a sweet spot for me, and serves me well over the last 8 years. Luckily I don't live in UK anymore.
It is antisocial and irresponsible behaviour that should be outlawed, oh wait, I think we already have plenty of laws for that!
I ride with consideration and respect for other users of bike paths and trails and had no issues, but then I'm a responsible adult that loves his ebike, ditched fossil fuels and saving a fortune!
100% agree. Here on the continent the laws are exactly the same and it makes little sense for exactly the same reasons you said.
Do I think 750/1000W max power and 40 km/h max assisted speed is okey? Well, seams a little bit high on one hand, but one people don't need to ride the max speed. Cars have speed limiters as well, which are usually set at like 200 km/h or above and most people never get even close to it. How come bikes are capped at 25 km/h? This one is especially annoying as more and more of the streets in cities are getting speed limits of 30 km/h. I'm not gonna lie, I'd feel much safer going about that speed for I hope obvious reasons.
In regards of kids I don't see any reason why they should be banned from riding ebikes. Rather, I think some different restrictions could apply, less power, less max assisted speed, lighter bike perhaps. Kids my all means should be riding ebikes, learning how to ride them, learning independence early on and yes, that includes falling down. An ebike for kids should be made in such a way that if it falls it should not be a huge deal first for the kid and second to the bike.
Additionally I wish bikes in general, but especially ebikes, should have a bit stronger construction. I'm using mine with a trailer regularly, which is fine for what I need it to do. Having said that, I wish my bike itself would be strong enough to carry a passenger with me. My ebike has max weight of 150 kg, which I think is enough to carry a passenger with me, but the 27 kg limit of the rear rack rules that out.
Laws u speak of , only ones I know is common law ! Freedom to travel is a born right , So that being said carry on chaps
Totally agree, we will always get nutters on ebikes like we do wiv cars but cars go a tad bit faster so 15mph limit is daft. God just make a law that lets us enjoy ourselves and get someone who knows about bikes to make the law.
I will not be registering my ebike whatsoever no matter what speed it goes. It's my bike I built it to pursue my own freedom only God can tell me what to do.
we have the same nutters in their chav charriots with tinted windows and extra loud exhausts but there is no restriction on power levels or top speed for the type of cars they drive
Police taking advantage of Normal riders who are safely riding around Yet 14 year old flying about on surrons like hoodlums and they arent stopped or checked whilst putting lives in danger
My ideas of how it could be changed are:
Leave the 250w class as it is.
Introduce a 1000W class with the following requirements:
Driver's license or CBT
Government run third party rider insurance required. So no limit on the amount of bikes you personally ride, the government get the 'tax' they have struggled to find, third parties have chance to claim in the event of an unfortunate accident! Everyone is happy. Bike gets confiscated and crushed if you don't have rider's insurance!
1000W bikes to have a basic mot but carried out by a local authorised bike shop or authorised mobile bike mechanic. This helps with the safety of less mechanically minded riders. Plus rural riders won't be forced to do what for me would be a 32 mile round trip for an Mot.
First registration of bike as simple as self declaration and an initial mot as specified above.Not full MSVA tests! Factory built bikes would not need first test as they would have to be type approved, but this registration process would make life easier for diy builds and those who want to recycle an old frame etc
Lighting to be bicycle equivalent not moped spec.
No need for number plates but if pressed for it could be just a number associated with the rider insurance and transferable between bikes or for a small fee you can get extra plates for additional bikes.
Helmet is rider's choice. But if one is required bicycle spec only.
Throttle allowed
20-25mph speed limit, maybe 15.5mph on shared pedestrian cycle paths. Which 1000W bikes would be allowed to use rather than at present thrown to the Wolves of the road as soon as you put a reg plate on the back, but still limited to 15.5 mph max under motor speed!!!
I put some of these ideas forward to my local MP(UK), she passed them up the chain. I did get a letter back from the DOT.
The short story is nothing will change until the UK can unpick itself from EU law, so sometime never something will happen!!!!!!
We can only hope the EU sees sense first!
If e-bikes and anything wasn’t stolen within seconds routinely in the Uk I could have sold my car years ago
I'm lucky I have a locked garage at home and safe locked area to put my ebike at work.
Here in Tucson AZ we can have 750 watt. As far as I know these are the classes. Class 1 peddle assistance to 20mph. Class 2 throttle assistance 20 mph. Class 3 pedal assistance 28 mph. I raced a road bike, my ebike went 28 and he pulled away from me.
He'll slow when he gets to a hill 😅
Nanny state absolutely ridiculous
The law makes most ebikes in existence now are uninsurable even if you pay the premiums they won't pay out if they are illegal in anyway
I own a bicycle repair shop in central London the biggest problem I see is poorly put together homemade converted e-bikes, mostly delivery drivers with no care for anyone including themselves with little to no braking ability due to the quality of there brakes they have installed on their bikes, This ruins it for the rest of us. I personly own a bosch driven e-bike with an amazing set of brakes but limited to 15.5mph it should at least be lifted to 20mph to keep up with traffic and to be safer.
glad I found you. fascinating. I am 85 and have just bought a E.Trike 250w it needs to be upgraded for hills. I am 12 stone. I have liked and sub because I like to learn. and you seem to be the best man out there. any advise would be much welcome. Briddy Dorset UK.🤓
I got my self a Fildo T1 cargo bike as i need a bike to get me up hills its a 750 w that only goes around 15mph that speed is ok for me i have Disability's and needed to get up hill i had a Fildo d2 250w that would not get me up hill i have server COPD just one thing from a long list of illnesses had a Tumour removed from my brain last September i love the bike i got it to get me out in the fresh air i did not want to get a mobile scooter as you can not go off road like up a canal or fields and i think it looks good i don't have to peddle i just use the lever i don' go on the road unless i have to we need bikes like this to help us get out and enjoy what life we have left hope this bike law will change as more people like me can still get out ATB This is a Fantastic video thank you very much if i get stopped and lose me bike not sure what i would do ATB
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Great video,If you weigh 7 Stone wet through and you're fit 250 watts e bikes are OK but if you're slightly overweight you'd like to go shopping they are completely useless and are a complete waste of time and will not get anybody out of their cars so please change the law and you can still limit the speed to Whatever you like.(1000 watt 22mph)Please don't waste your money on 250 watt motors. It seems the people In charge don't realize who the target audience is; they only target the law for cyclists, not people who would just like to enjoy the experience of riding and shopping without it being too strenuous. I blame the people in charge, the cycling bodies and the government who do not seem to know what to do. One other thing 250 watt e bikes work in Holland only because its flat.
We need more ebikes that look like mountain bikes, but have 2000+ watts of power. .. and are affordable
Im a 60 year old male who built a 750 watt befang middrive motor. I live in a rural area you are soon into the countryside but after reading a few articals about the police inpounding ebikes. it really worrys me taking out the bike onto the streets, I have some aches and pains and built this bike to get some exercise. I never ride reckelssly and take care around pedestrians. Now I just feel targeted.
Slap one of those bafang '36v 250W' stickers on the motor, oughta fool most of them.
Thats why I wont go green and buy one. 15mph ? Its a joke. I can peddle faster than that and be a thousand pounds better off .
Proper explanation Dude knows biking
I believe 750 watt should be the motor size , with 20mph limit, me personally the throttle set at 6km isn't a bad thing as I have had an accidental burst from standstill so I can see the sense in that tbf
Totally agree mate ! Speaking as a full licence holder .
an e-scooter isn't far different from the electrical/mechanical design of a mobility scooter/electric bike/trike/kids toys. they turn a blind eye most the time for food delivery electric bikes. its just control! if everyone bought one, no one will use public transport, and the tax missing from the system. you're allowed to buy them all day long (lovely tax again).
the narrative police use is a statistical formula of accidents/deaths associated with e-scooters/bikes and they are nearly the same as a normal bike. I own and use mine regularly and responsibly. that's not to say the number of pullovers I've had over the years and successfully rode away. (Be respectful)!
Police are not the enemy here however if your taking the piss its going to expose you and create statistics for the government to start changing the rules of how we use these machines.
I don't know any manual bicycle rider who can peddle 50mph that has ever been caught for speeding without electrical assistance.
Its seems to be aimed directly on electrically automated vehicles.
The moment you find a little cheat code to save money, there is always some entity that creates finacial conditions on you when you try to save money.
Lovely well explained video!
ride safe!
personally i think ebikes should be able to go 30mph if they expect us to be on the roads, going between 27-32 i still have cars overtaking looking at me like i should be on the pavement
I totally understand your anger. In U.S.A. California, I ride a 1000w motor 48v 25ah. Battery, 23a controller E-Bike.
They sell cars that go faster than the highest speed limit but have rules drivers must obey. Bikes should be no different. Make rules for riders, not for equipment. I’m 68 years old why do you care if I pedal or not. Maybe because of my arthritis, pedaling is painful. I’m a big boy now, if I wish to ride a bike I don’t need to pedal, that’s my choice.
Best Wishes Always, SHREK 💚
Agree on all points, 20-25mph would be more sensible and 1000 watt motor would be more realistic. I tend to get the impression that the law was written by some midget riding a bike on city streets in some flat area of the country with no wind. Here in the NW Cumbria, the reality is, its hilly, you get strong head winds down the coast and I am a taller and so heavier rider, 250w isn't a realistic option. I have an e bike but tend to ride a non assisted road bike, also ride motorcycles so have a good idea about speed and the capabilities of power ratings, especially in this area.
The people who wrote the ebike laws are probably the same people who wrote the firearms laws.
100% we are not allowed to do more, the old term rip off Britain still stands true. The last time I checked, USA was 750watt. Europe also. Ive in the ebike game since 2017.
E bike lovers should get a massive movement to protest these over restrictive rules and vote out of government any opposition candidates 😂
Bosch publishes the max wattage (600w)of its "250w" mid-motor. This is widely used in bikes in the UK. As you no doubt ow know, the government has now consulted users and interested groups over changes to: increase motor power to 500w; and to add a throttle.
I would advocate for 3 catagories under which e-bikes could be sold
1) children
Speed limit 5mph
2) Adults (no licence)
speed limit (powered) 20mph, with an adiquate minimum wheel size for that speed.
3) adults (licence)
speed limit (powered) 40mph. throttle allowed, Requires licence plate; passing a driving test, and wearning adiquate crash protection at all times while riding such vehicles.