Nemesis: In space, no-one can hear you scheme (SU&SD Review)

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  • @zk8445
    @zk8445 4 года назад +597

    "There's two seats in the escape pod!"
    "I like to keep my feet up."

  • @DragonMagi
    @DragonMagi 2 года назад +308

    My first game of Nemesis ended with me getting my head bitten off by an alien as I desperately wheeled my way towards the escape pods. The alien that killed me went after the pilot next, who was waiting for me in the pod room. She unloaded her shotgun into it, threw a grenade at dangerously close range, executed an emergency course correction to make the ship jerk violently to throw off an attack from the alien, then finally beat it to death before getting into the pod one turn before the self destruct went off.

    • @kevinwilliams5427
      @kevinwilliams5427 2 года назад +35

      This... sounds epic

    • @niallreid7664
      @niallreid7664 Год назад +25

      That's some Ripley shit right there. Badass.

    • @TDelBos
      @TDelBos Год назад +14

      @@kevinwilliams5427 I have played Nemesis twice, each time has had absolutely epic moments like this. It is an amazing game that really has you invested.

    • @matthewthomson6466
      @matthewthomson6466 Год назад +28

      Same - our group made the mistake of not reading the rule that says you can’t have an objective that you *yourself* die, and I drew a card that said that *I* needed to make sure that I wouldn’t survive. So when we were all about to run to the escape pods after I’d course-corrected, and all 3 of us were in a room with the alien queen, I told the others to run for it, and they sealed the doors and made it off-ship okay.
      But - I had found a spare magazine for my rifle the turn before, slammed that fucker home, and mag-dumped a truly absurd number of hits and crits into the Queen. I ate a hit, swapped to the flamethrower, and roasted her alive, as the whole table cheered - I must’ve rolled 3 crits in a row, it was insane. And finally, I limped back to cryo-sleep, and laid down for the long trip back to earth. I’ve never been happier to lose a game ♥️

  • @Mythricia1988
    @Mythricia1988 3 года назад +339

    Not that either of you will read this comment, but god damn guys this review in particular was *magical* in atmosphere. I mean - I'm not sure if that's even the point, the point of the review is to, review the board game, but... The oppressing, gnawing, uncomfortable ambiance and the fantastic shots, subtle zooms and pans, dim lighting, it all just made for a big impression. Very impressive. Literally.

    • @DieJG
      @DieJG 3 года назад +2

      Sounds like a game for Halloween for me. And for when i want to play with friends that are more science fiction lovers and cynical people.

  • @blaflargasnogger7045
    @blaflargasnogger7045 4 года назад +735

    Tom has really grown into a natural part of the show, and I love the vibe he brings. I’m so pleased he’s part of the regular reviewing crew now.

    • @jameswat2590
      @jameswat2590 4 года назад +7

      lets get him into playing Netrunner... oh wait!

  • @gpeeps9132
    @gpeeps9132 4 года назад +146

    Got my wife and almost 70-year old mother-in-law to play Nemesis last night. So much fun! I tried to go all Ripley and ended up dying like 5 rounds in. They made it another 3 or 4 until ship ultimately went up in flames. Best of all - they want to play again. Tonight!
    Thanks for the review fellas!

  • @SH3Bstanko6
    @SH3Bstanko6 4 года назад +666

    “I didn’t know Disney owned the rights to Alien?” Matt: “of course they do... it’s a film!” Hahaha!!!! They own everything!!!

    • @jasongardner9279
      @jasongardner9279 4 года назад +7

      Hahahaha....

    • @TheShadesOfBlack
      @TheShadesOfBlack 4 года назад +3

      heh heh...

    • @Astral134
      @Astral134 4 года назад +11

      they also now own Predator, Avatar, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, X-Files...uh, Home Alone....and here's the scary one...Family Guy. Family Guy is now Disney. Let that sink in.

    • @d.hunterphillips74
      @d.hunterphillips74 4 года назад +22

      that makes ripley a disney princess!

    • @TheShadesOfBlack
      @TheShadesOfBlack 4 года назад +15

      D. Hunter Phillips Ripleys not a princess is she? But that means the Alien... which was born from a Queen... totally is a Disney Princess

  • @jamesdavid7782
    @jamesdavid7782 4 года назад +434

    "Rolling for noise" isn't a player making noise as they move about, it's the noise THEY HEAR when they move about. This is why you don't roll for noise when moving into a space already occupied by another player - The noise has already been heard, no new noise to hear.
    This seems to be the most common theme mix-up in Nemesis reviews.

    • @vojtasjedyny
      @vojtasjedyny 4 года назад +20

      Yup. It's clearly expained in rulebook.

    • @BaneWilliams
      @BaneWilliams 4 года назад +87

      @@vojtasjedyny If it were clearly explained then it wouldn't be that common a mix up in Nemesis reviews, would it?

    • @Ericshadowblade
      @Ericshadowblade 4 года назад +93

      @@BaneWilliams people mix up clear rules all the time

    • @lonelongboarder27
      @lonelongboarder27 4 года назад +13

      I thought the game was already hard enough... then I realized even with "quiet movement" you still add a noise token into the hallway you just moved through after like my 5th playthrough.

    • @jamesdavid7782
      @jamesdavid7782 4 года назад +22

      @@lonelongboarder27 Careful movement lets you put a noise marker wherever you choose. This game likes to be vicious, so no easy way to skip filling up the board with those little yellow tokens of doom.

  • @tickbox_
    @tickbox_ Год назад +10

    Quick thing: been playing this game with the same group for the last few months, and one of the people in the group has just never gotten into its possible traitor mechanic. He doesn’t see the point, and would rather it wasn’t there. So slightly reluctantly we tried the fully cooperative mode the game has a section for in the rules, expecting it to feel like all the bite had been taken out of the experience. Gotta say, pleasantly surprised. While I don’t want to play the game this way every time, the fact that it uses a different objectives deck and you only win if EVERYBODYS objective has been completed by the end of the game creates a COMPLETELY different but extremely fun experience. Actually ended up being the most fun game we’ve had, and ended with all of us working on a couple of objectives that involved destroying the ship and then a mad group sprint across the board to the escape pods while dodging 5 different aliens along the way. Finished the game with both time tracks on the final step and only a few cards away from failure.
    Highly recommend giving it a shot. Found its a much easier way of nailing down the specifics of the rules too before going back to the normal mode.

  • @dsweet5273
    @dsweet5273 4 года назад +92

    "As soon as you stop caring about whether or not you live or die everything just becomes much more fun!"
    -Matt 2020

    • @MrStevenvanL
      @MrStevenvanL 4 года назад +1

      There was another cheerfully fatalist quote in there as well, but I forget. Should we be worried?

  • @MrStevenvanL
    @MrStevenvanL 4 года назад +160

    "... in Nemesis, you're accepting the sad reality of locking Steven in a room so he'll get eaten by an Alien." "Let's stay in tonight, light some candles, murder Steven!" Hmm... I am sensing a vendetta here... Is there an aggrieving Steven in SU&SD's and No Pun Included's mutual gaming circle? I shall have to bring this up at the next Secret Steven Society gathering.

    • @byebyebuy
      @byebyebuy 4 года назад +6

      Steven!

    • @stevenagelutton4322
      @stevenagelutton4322 2 года назад

      @@byebyebuy Just coming!

    • @byebyebuy
      @byebyebuy 2 года назад

      @@stevenagelutton4322 I can't believe someone got that reference 😂

  • @Newt211
    @Newt211 4 года назад +80

    He hit it on the head when he said that a bit of the fun is determined by how willing you are to die in the service of telling a great story..... That is what it felt like to us. The story it told was so cinematic... it was EPIC! It was like watching a brand new Aliens movie where you got to be characters.... it was incredible. I wish they fixed the noise mechanic a bit... but otherwise it is great.

  • @ajtame
    @ajtame 6 месяцев назад +5

    And now, after all these years, retaliation has cardboard standees!

  • @chrislonghurst7249
    @chrislonghurst7249 3 года назад +25

    "Can't really recommend it. Can't stop recommending it. Love it. It's a mess."
    That resonates with so much of life.

  • @germancurbelo8815
    @germancurbelo8815 4 года назад +144

    And here I was thinking the whole silent "narration" of the "Betrayal" game was a magnificent stroke of genius.

    • @elonwhatever
      @elonwhatever 4 года назад +1

      Same buddy, same

    • @DwarfyDoodad
      @DwarfyDoodad 4 года назад +1

      As he said, it is less of a traitor mechanic, and more surprise secondary antagonist. Which I think is what sets the two apart. And sets Nemesis apart from other games with more overt betrayal mechanics. If you are constantly questioning *everyones* intentions it makes spotting the person with their own agenda harder.

    • @elonwhatever
      @elonwhatever 4 года назад +11

      @@DwarfyDoodad You may be missing the joke due to lack of context.
      When the video was first uploaded the audio stopped about halfway through.
      It then got reuploaded an hour or two later with that audio.
      This is what the joke was about.

  • @eris7492
    @eris7492 Год назад +7

    it's 2023. he's finally free

  • @Duraxy
    @Duraxy 4 года назад +198

    Thank you for your opinion on Miniatures. They're cool, sure - But i feel like there's way too many games cramming Minis in to justify an exorbitant pricepoint. When i'm playing a game, i want to play the game. Just give me a budget version version with standees for the common folk and a premium version for the hypetrain

    • @eastlynburkholder3559
      @eastlynburkholder3559 4 года назад +11

      Thst is my preference too.

    • @Carfilliot
      @Carfilliot 4 года назад +5

      Exactly, I have been saying this for years lol, I don’t need miniatures to enjoy a thematic game.

    • @-Markus-
      @-Markus- 3 года назад +9

      Miniatures and flashy bits sell a lot more games though, without them many games would struggle to get the funding.
      I agree though, its gone awry. Love the minis in Nemesis but all of them could have been half the size.

    • @fish3977
      @fish3977 3 года назад +1

      minus would be a great add on to a game with maybe some other bits to sweaten the deal.
      also they're often not really proper quality for hobbyist anyways

  • @DrHopeSickNotes
    @DrHopeSickNotes 4 года назад +152

    "sending Goofy round to break our legs" Ha!

  • @robertdascoli949
    @robertdascoli949 4 года назад +38

    33:04 "I can't really recommend it, can't stop recommending it"
    That's exactly how I feel about Mage Knight.

  • @petergreg101
    @petergreg101 4 года назад +21

    "you were trapped in a room with an absolute unit" and just like that the intern becomes the master

  • @BattleSpew
    @BattleSpew 4 года назад +96

    I have won this game twice. And both times were excruciatingly exciting!
    First win: It was the final round. Escape pods had unlocked because another player met a grisly end two rounds before. I made it to the escape pod room with 3 noise tokens adjacent. I rolled for noise as I entered the escape, and spawned an intruder. Time to draw a token from the bag to see what was going to stop me from escaping. Blank! No intruder showed up, and I was able to get out, literally on my last action! The other remaining player, he was going for the cryo-sleep chamber, and got there as he ran out of cards, meaning he was 1 action shy of being able to get out and win as well.
    Second win: I manage to escape in a similar fashion as the first win, only 2 rounds earlier. But, my objective was for 1 other player to die. And he was still alive. He wasn't in great shape, but he still had a chance to get out. It was all up to fate at that point. I watched as he fled an intruder, gun out of ammo, trying to get to one of the remaining escape pods. The intruder followed him. He escaped again. Another intruder came after him, and he was unable to get to the escape pod in time, and turned into a red paste on the wall as the ship jumped to hyperspace.
    This game is all about those tense moments and never being certain you'll survive, let alone win.

  • @onewholeegg
    @onewholeegg Год назад +5

    Honestly speaking, this is probably the most beautifully insightful review you folks have written. Two years later and this still speaks not just of Nemesis, but transcends it in a way that touches on things we don't analyze very often in board games. The bit about "coercion and cooperation" is still so profound lol

  • @SynGirl32
    @SynGirl32 3 года назад +15

    That intro is probably one of your best. The followup article you did when the official Aliens game was announced made it all the better.

  • @ryanmoll8295
    @ryanmoll8295 4 года назад +63

    My friends and I love this game! I coughed up the money for the big purchase and it looks like it keeps rising. It’s been absolutely worth it to me. He is right about the highs and the lows. Yeah you rarely get to win even if you play it perfect, but it makes winning so much more satisfying and the way you lose ends up enjoyable too. If you like the alien franchise at all you will love this game. Play the alien soundtrack while you play and it makes the game even better lol

    • @KindredBrujah
      @KindredBrujah 4 года назад +2

      Early player elimination is the only real drawback to the game, I think.

  • @AutumnReel4444
    @AutumnReel4444 4 года назад +126

    End-of-review-comedy-character-turn-around got me good, wp

  • @kame_kura
    @kame_kura 4 года назад +19

    This must be the most reluctant SUSD recommendation ever.

  • @rosmith606
    @rosmith606 4 года назад +15

    I see how it is. The friendly alien that burst out of a legally distinct area of the body gets a kiss from Matt, but Big Bin Barry just gets scorn until his untimely and suspicious death.
    I'm onto you, Matt.

    • @rosmith606
      @rosmith606 4 года назад +4

      OH SHIT, BBB MADE AN APPEARANCE! My day is made. I take it back Matt, you are forgiven.

  • @furretthefuzzynoodle3896
    @furretthefuzzynoodle3896 4 года назад +40

    Quinn would probably get caught and eaten trying to lug around his copy of twilight imperium off the ship.

  • @TheMan83554
    @TheMan83554 9 месяцев назад +3

    So, I bought Nemesis about 6 months ago.
    So far, I have played it once. But I've painted a few of the minis, so I call that a win. I have the space, and it makes me happy just to have it.

  • @OGianmarcO
    @OGianmarcO 4 года назад +20

    just spent over 30 min. watching a review of a game I will probably never buy.... and it was worth every seconds!

  • @LightandFire676
    @LightandFire676 4 года назад +17

    I haven't played this game, but I've heard a lot of buzz about it, and I genuinely did not expect it to get the SU&SD recommends badge. Just when I thought I had figured y'all out, you surprise me. I guess I'll have to keep watching your videos, and go throw out all my SU&SD Recommendation Prediction Equations and Analytical Charts.

    • @boristuga
      @boristuga 3 года назад

      It was their corporate mission to give a recommendation after throwing you off scent. ;)

  • @TabletopRose
    @TabletopRose 4 года назад +22

    Nemesis is a thrilling game - but trust no one!! I've played it twice now and both times were loads of fun.

  • @ChrisSharp
    @ChrisSharp Год назад +5

    This is one of my favorite videos that SU&SD has done. The lighting, the b-roll, the facial expressions, the script - perfection! I have watched it at least 5 times just because I enjoy the delivery of this review so much.

  • @SH3Bstanko6
    @SH3Bstanko6 4 года назад +22

    Nemesis is one of my favorite board games I own. My game group loves it and we played it many times! If you are thinking of getting this game, it will be worth it. The game mechanics are awesome. SU&SD... you guys did a great, unbiased, and thorough review! Thank you!

    • @WhalePolarizer
      @WhalePolarizer 2 месяца назад

      I have a solid game group which loves to play cmon games (horror stuff where you have to fight against a lot of monsters cooperatively) but I am afraid that it would be too heavy and disappointing for some players. I like heavy games, but not all the fiddly parts. However, I can imagine that some of my friends would love to play an alien and kick ass after they die :))) would you still recommend it after four years? How often do you play it?

  • @SpaceCatsPeaceTurtlesPodcast
    @SpaceCatsPeaceTurtlesPodcast 4 года назад +58

    Gumming up the works? Now we're talking...

  • @Nayr090
    @Nayr090 4 года назад +15

    Played this a few times. It's a lot to setup, and it is indeed expensive. But man, this game is such an experience, it really feels like an alien movie in board game form. As few times as I've got it out, I love it each time.

  • @absol1975
    @absol1975 3 года назад +12

    Oh my God.
    I've watched this video well over a dozen times, and I can't believe it's taken me THIS long to realize this...
    He's an au-Tom-aton!

  • @JamesWoodNarrator
    @JamesWoodNarrator 4 года назад +13

    This has to be one of the best produced board game reviews I've every seen. The editing and lighting were truly superb. I decided about 5 minutes in that I have zero interest in this game, but kept watching all the way to the end purely because it was cinematically stunning.

    • @pixxelwizzard
      @pixxelwizzard 2 года назад

      Agreed. They could have gone for the quick and easy review, but this video was dripping with unnecessary love and dedication, and it was awesome!

  • @hkapeman
    @hkapeman 4 года назад +7

    This review was filmed so nicely!

  • @Nielsblog
    @Nielsblog 4 года назад +6

    Matt, the lighting work in this video was beautiful!

  • @absol1975
    @absol1975 4 года назад +9

    SU&SD Plays Nemesis is something I would love to see! This game is one I would probably not play, but getting to experience the Salt vicariously would be a lot of fun...

  • @ThreeSeatStarboard
    @ThreeSeatStarboard 4 года назад +8

    I saw the video before it was re-uploaded so the Betrayal story didn’t have sound.
    I thought, “this is bold. They’re playing off, ‘in space, nobody can hear your game review’. Groundbreaking narrative storytelling!!”
    Then they went and cocked it all up by adding sound.

  • @Aramis559
    @Aramis559 4 года назад +25

    We”re due for another Twilight Imperium stream. I wanna see that Twiglets Cup change hands.

    • @ericfolsom4495
      @ericfolsom4495 4 года назад

      I can't believe I watched that entire stream AND the where's waldo stream.
      I can't believe I'm looking forward to them doing either of those again

    • @fairlyodd922
      @fairlyodd922 4 года назад +1

      Matt lost the Twiglets Cup to someone who lives in Australia, unfortunately. They discussed it on the most recent podcast episode.

  • @andy4an
    @andy4an 4 года назад +4

    puppeteering rule 1:
    the mouth of the puppet should open and close once per syllable.

  • @danielmarco7422
    @danielmarco7422 3 года назад +10

    This review is just amazing! You guys are my top board game channel. HANDS DOWN!! You guys review games fairly and do such a good job with Nemesis! I just unboxed and played for the first time this week. I love this one

  • @Electroporcupine
    @Electroporcupine 3 года назад +4

    "Matt, Matt, can I come around to your house and play Nemesis?!"
    *video published March 5 2020*
    COVID19: It's gonna be a no from me, dog.

  • @MinaDracula
    @MinaDracula 4 года назад +17

    Ah Matt, I can tell you, you’re not the only one who thinks this game would be just as good without the miniatures. My group is a bit mini crazy and one of one brought Nemesis to play with us. And when I suggested (after the game was over) it could just as well be cardboard instead of minis, everyone stared at me like I was crazy.

    • @orsonamery695
      @orsonamery695 4 года назад +2

      is there a game that ever actually needs minis?

    • @colboy1fish
      @colboy1fish 4 года назад +2

      Most games can be easily played without miniatures, but its the miniatures that give it an appealling estatic. (And of course please the miniature folks like me.)

    • @WhalePolarizer
      @WhalePolarizer 2 месяца назад

      When I got into the hobby of boardgaming I couldn‘t understand what it was that people find so important and interesting about the minis. Now it really changed for me after I played a game which had these big minis. We are like big children moving these pieces from one place to another always staring at them before and after the game as if they are paintings by Van Gogh :)

  • @Daye04
    @Daye04 4 года назад +9

    Oh my gosh, that ending. I love it!

  • @blastingsound
    @blastingsound Год назад +2

    25:18 X,D zomg this is too perfectly done

  • @MrBlitzNZ
    @MrBlitzNZ 4 года назад +2

    The writing for this review was next level, well done to the team at SD&SU.

  • @mibiasz
    @mibiasz 4 года назад +47

    You guys do the best bg reviews in the whole Internet. And this particular one is the best I've seen ever!
    I love how unbiased and critical and factual you are. With tons of humor and stupidity XD

  • @vojtasjedyny
    @vojtasjedyny 4 года назад +9

    Players MUST cooperate in two areas: repairing damages and extinguishing fires. Otherwise everybody will meet painful death, rather sooner than later. Once all malfunction or fire tokens are on board, ship is destroyed. This fact can be used to fuck someone up - just damage ship right before leaving in escape pod. Mechanic is great in repairing/damaging. :P

  • @josephmauney2367
    @josephmauney2367 4 года назад +7

    Tom really came into his own with this video. Great job.

  • @jonathanwhite4836
    @jonathanwhite4836 4 года назад +8

    I've watched nearly every video review you guys have ever made, and this might be the very best one yet. I knew nothing about this game before watching the review, and I now feel like I know exactly the kind of experience I'll be getting out of this game. Keep up the good work lads!

  • @stumbling
    @stumbling 4 года назад +53

    The "miniatures" should be sold separately as some sort of "embellishment" pack.

    • @Beldarak
      @Beldarak 4 года назад +1

      Anachrony did that. Such a nice idea :)

    • @BigWetTits1
      @BigWetTits1 3 года назад

      Folklore also did this in Second edition.

  • @Rottenflieger.
    @Rottenflieger. 4 года назад +14

    "There is scope here for doing some really cool expansion stuff that doesn't add tons of new minis"
    Oh no... should we uh... tell him?

    • @ashtensaw776
      @ashtensaw776 4 года назад +1

      I was hoping he would give some examples was it more cards, rooms or new mechanics?
      The expansions of a kickstarter are no doubt filled with plastic, but AR also used those new alien as a way to try totally different mechanics.
      Might be a bit too much to add new stuff into the base game since the base game is complex enough with all the little rules for everything... Unless the expansion replaces stuff instead.

    • @Rottenflieger.
      @Rottenflieger. 4 года назад

      @@ashtensaw776 You're pretty much on the money. The expansions add more cards, characters, rooms and mechanics, and they mostly replace elements of the base game. I think Awaken Realms' thinking was that the expansions should add more options for how to play, rather than just extra things.

  • @aaagrey6323
    @aaagrey6323 4 года назад +78

    I love Nemesis, played it while it was only on TTS...
    Looked at how much the Irl game cost... price... 300 yeesh

    • @EakEmk
      @EakEmk 4 года назад +3

      Got mine for $150 lol

    • @joshuavelo4265
      @joshuavelo4265 4 года назад +16

      Retail is $150, but it's currently out of print, so you're probably looking at scalpers.

    • @DaBigBase
      @DaBigBase 4 года назад +17

      Wish there was like a non-figure version available, prob cut the cost down a bit. Standees work fine for me considering my lazy ass would never get around to painting the nice 3d models 😆

    • @SacredDaturana
      @SacredDaturana 4 года назад +3

      @@joshuavelo4265 Damn! Even so. $150 is.... a chunk of change.

    • @denisloebner4882
      @denisloebner4882 4 года назад +5

      kickstarter core box with stretchgoals was only 90$. its price went up and up after the campaign.

  • @alexclippinger5780
    @alexclippinger5780 11 месяцев назад

    I just watched this review, glad your friends will be able to come over and play this year

  • @rjkral
    @rjkral 3 года назад +7

    “I didn’t WANT you to die, it was just...CONVENIENT!?”
    (and lots of other hilarity etc!)
    Great review guys!!

    • @redsands1001
      @redsands1001 3 года назад

      Pandemic mindset of some folks

  • @ericnathanstucky246
    @ericnathanstucky246 4 года назад +4

    "If you've given up on hope, you've given up on life! And that's our review of Nemesis!" -Matt 2020

  • @septimus64
    @septimus64 4 года назад +11

    It would be interesting to see the card board standees as an alternate version.

    • @SpoonyBard88
      @SpoonyBard88 4 года назад +3

      That would probably cut the price by half and move a hundred thousand more copies. I don't understand why companies don't do this. After hearing so much about the expensive Kickstarter version, people would snatch an affordable version off of every Target shelf nationwide.

    • @Alloniya
      @Alloniya 2 года назад

      @@SpoonyBard88 I thing what makes this game unique the way it designed. So if I would buy it will be the original

    • @SpoonyBard88
      @SpoonyBard88 2 года назад

      @@Alloniya and replacing an expensive plastic figure with a cardboard standee affects the mechanical design how?

  • @Ends_Of_Invention
    @Ends_Of_Invention 4 года назад +5

    Betrayal: The Git Chronicles was hilarious.

  • @agentcoriolis9208
    @agentcoriolis9208 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for adding that music track from incubation. Yeah, I noticed. You absolute legends ❤️

  • @thomasromanelli2561
    @thomasromanelli2561 4 года назад +2

    Loved the fact that the Three-Eyed Raven-Glove did the chest-bursting routine...

  • @absol1975
    @absol1975 Год назад +2

    Matt's only a couple weeks away from being free to play Nemesis again!

  • @here0is0me
    @here0is0me 4 года назад +8

    Can't wait for the Nemesis movie where ChestPoppers grow into the intimidating LegallyDistinctMorph

  • @MasterC2012
    @MasterC2012 4 года назад +2

    Ah, the story in the middle makes more sense now! The first time around I thought my headphones had suddenly died :P

  • @miguelesteves9740
    @miguelesteves9740 2 года назад +1

    Loved the video, quite informative and you guys are very entertaining and expressive! Fun stuff. It is well filmed as well. Subbed!

  • @o.b.7217
    @o.b.7217 4 года назад

    (33:45) Nice to see that the reference pear is getting cared for. At this time of year, it's still a bit chilly, so knitting a warm sweater was the right decision.

  • @lattyware
    @lattyware 4 года назад +32

    The part that was silent in the first upload (Betrayal: The git chronicles) starts at 18:30, for those who caught the broken version.

    • @golgarisoul
      @golgarisoul 4 года назад

      +

    • @Pithlitthedark
      @Pithlitthedark 4 года назад +6

      and here i thought it was intentional, since in space noone can hear you scream

    • @tedchevalier
      @tedchevalier 4 года назад +4

      Although it doesn't make much sense, the silent version is hilarious. I almost can tell what's happening.

  • @GRsTragicM
    @GRsTragicM 4 года назад +5

    Amazing review, both for pure entertainment and excellent critiquing. I really love Nemesis but I've always wondered if it's just a bit crap. I never cared about winning and it was always the unfolding stories that I adored about the game so I have to thank Matt and Tom for articulating this in a way I hadn't yet made sense of myself. I know everyone likes different games but it still feels really good to have your own opinion vindicated by a pro.

  • @Kajotex
    @Kajotex 4 года назад +16

    I think what you are looking for is "It's not a great game. But it's a great game." - Flip Florey
    On that note, I played N once. I very much disliked it. It was very clunky to me but I can usually overcome stuff like that if the rest is good. But what killed it was that one player had a larvae inside her. No big deal really, she should get to the surgery sometime in the future and get that taken care of.
    Then the next event card came up and I had to read it: "If you are infected, you die."
    Boom. No chance to roll. No way to mitigate. Just straight up dead instantaneously. She was out of the game and we had 2 more hours to play in which she was just sitting around, looking at other games on the shelf, occasionally checking in with our game.
    That is a death sentence to me. A game that takes this long with permanent player elimination is undefendable imo.
    The teacher also said there are rules to play the aliens, but it just messes up the balance. So we also didn't do that.
    I liked the ideas. I liked the theme. I want this as a little more lightweight. But as it is I will probably never play it again.

    • @Newt211
      @Newt211 4 года назад +4

      You could house rule, that if before a certain turn a character dies, another wakes up in cyrosleep (gets new objective cards etc)

    • @clarkesteinman5098
      @clarkesteinman5098 4 года назад +1

      Yeah, if I get the game someday, I’d probably house-rule where another person wakes up late from cryosleep or something. I used to enjoy elimination games for the thrill of when you get to be the last (and that only comes with the chance of being the first,) but as I’ve gotten older and played many games, I’ve enjoyed more games that give everyone enjoyment throughout/everyone plays to the end. It can sacrifice some of the epic story at times, but it doesn’t sacrifice a player’s enjoyment to make the story great. Either the game is there to make the players have fun, or the players are there to make the story fun.

    • @billable1861
      @billable1861 4 года назад

      Clarke Steinman I like Spirit Island for this very reason. It’s thinky but it’s fun and nobody gets eliminated without it ending the game for you both.

  • @DrVagax
    @DrVagax 2 года назад +1

    Around 11:00 I figured, well that was fun, it seems it is wrapping up. Only to discover I got another 20 minutes left! Love it!

  • @mattnottm8363
    @mattnottm8363 4 года назад

    Love this game for the little stories it can create. The biggest betrayal I've been on the receiving end of came late in a long game which had been up to that point pretty cooperative. Heading back to the hibernatoriam in a group, I'd all but forgotten about the secret objectives when my 'friend' moves in to the next room only to spin around and close the door behind him. It took days to let it go

  • @gordcarleigh9157
    @gordcarleigh9157 4 года назад +4

    Your videos make me laugh. Definitely doing good work spreading the hobby. Keep it up

  • @bluwzrdisgreedy234
    @bluwzrdisgreedy234 4 года назад +60

    Tom really is the big, chunky plastic boy, isn't he? I look forward to seeing reviews of things like Etherfields and GKR: Heavy Hitters.
    Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the regular reviews of more modest games, but these expensive monstrosities are what I want to know the most about before dropping the cash.

    • @richieboylush
      @richieboylush 4 года назад +1

      BluWzrdIsGreedy - GKR:heavy hitter they talked about in podcast 85 - Quinn’s liked the miniatures, said they were the most beautiful he’d ever seen but the gameplay did nothing for him and based on price point as well, he’d recommend x-wing miniatures as a prepainted entry point over GKR. Said his friend loved the spectacle of it , was going to buy it after playing it with him, but then saw the price and thought no way! So yeh - Sadly don’t think you’ll get a review beyond those comments even with Tom on board!

    • @bluwzrdisgreedy234
      @bluwzrdisgreedy234 4 года назад +1

      @@richieboylush Thank you. Only recently started following the pod, haven't checked back episodes out yet.

    • @tessereq
      @tessereq 4 года назад

      yeah Awaken Realms are known for their big chunky plastic stuff, but usually have fantastic design to go with them, while SUSD didn't like Lords of Hellas, it's one of my favorite games

  • @charliek5964
    @charliek5964 4 года назад +27

    Looks great! Love to play it! Can't afford it! Pretty sure my friends would hate it 😂

  • @QuestsAndChaos
    @QuestsAndChaos 4 года назад +3

    Great review. Confirmed original thoughts, and highly entertained at the same time.

  • @CrabQueen
    @CrabQueen 4 года назад +24

    This feels more like a Cool Ghosts video than a SU&SD video. Less of a review, more of a "Let me talk to you about this interesting thing that's been stuck in my head." I mean i like it, just wasn't expecting it.

    • @Nelsn3
      @Nelsn3 4 года назад +3

      That's the exact vibe I got when Tom came into a shot that already had his dead body in it.

    • @Skippan
      @Skippan 4 года назад

      I absolutely felt that with the Pipeline review; this was a straightforward review and experience impressions

    • @Antaiseito
      @Antaiseito 4 года назад

      Did you watch some of the old SU&SD reviews? Caverna comes to mind.
      Love the surreal, grotesque but still very informative and unbiased format.

  • @enknot
    @enknot 4 года назад +6

    OMG... "Englishman in New York"!? Wow...great choice while that legal alien shows up. 8:10

  • @MrBoombla
    @MrBoombla 4 года назад +1

    I love the dropping the mic from orbit sound! Very realistic

  • @NyanCath
    @NyanCath 4 года назад

    really fun video! tom and matt you're both brilliant and I really enjoyed watching - i love the amount of tension and fear that seems to go with this game, and hopefully I can play with some friends at some point and cry when i make too much noise and the aliens come kill us all

  • @Groovestonenz
    @Groovestonenz 2 года назад +1

    This was such a great review, thank you. Appreciate the balanced look at it.

  • @Dthamilaye
    @Dthamilaye 4 года назад +10

    One game at work, four players, everyone seemed to work funnily well together. Everyone did something to help the others. One guy stayed in the room waiting for another to get out with him with the escape pod. One guy followed another to help him check a corpse in lab. In the end, everyone of us four persons got out, nobody got killed by contamination and everyone got their objectives done.
    I could not believe it :). It was like from the handbook of "Team spirit" :P.
    Another game with friends, four players, using Voidseeders (addon alien type, make the characters mad and force them to do panic stuff etc). Three persons were already in hibernation, one person was playing Convict (still not in hibernation) and one was playing Bounty Hunter (both from "Aftermath" -addon). Until now, Convict had worked with us pretty well, fixing engines etc.
    When us other three were in hibernation, the convict went and tried to sabotage the engines but failed as he got aliens after him. He tried to escape them and could not do much else, but after few rounds, the "self-destruct is on" -event came up. We have a house-rule that if self-destruct happens in such a way, everyone is punted out from hibernation. Our android was on last round, so he hibernated right away again successfully. Me and the Bounty hunter had to go disable the self-destruct.
    Convict tried to harass us, but I think he eventually died to the voidseeders. Me and the Bounty hunter go the self-destruct off, but Bounty hunter died while we tried to get back to hibernation. I was able to get to one room before the hibernation room, but leaving a room with alien gave the "die if you have 2 serious wounds" -hit and I died there.
    Eventually the Android got safely home, and was also successful on his mission.
    After the game, the Convict said that his objective was to kill the Bounty Hunter, and especially as an avid roleplayer, he really could not let it pass (in the game, Convict starts with hand cuffs, and if the bounty hunter is in the game, the keys to the cuffs are given to him :) ).
    That game was pretty epic, we were so close to get our mission done, but had to get out and fix stuff and die after we got the ship fixed >

    • @Chozo_hybrid
      @Chozo_hybrid 4 года назад

      Where the heck do you work?

    • @Dthamilaye
      @Dthamilaye 4 года назад

      @@Chozo_hybrid Finland, in IT-stuff :).
      It was very interesting game, everyone did a bit of extra to help others as needed. What helped us was that nobody took any of the "kill player X" and all had pretty simple normal objectives (no clear nest or kill queen). We also got, for the first time ever in my games, all three objects inspected for alien weaknesses in laboratory. Everyone was putting down fires when they emerged and even going extra mile for them. We found lab at the start of the game and the guy going there happened to be the guy who was carrying the corpse etc. So luck and good team play and pretty easy objectives. Only house-rule we had was that if self-destruct would turn on for some reason (event) when someone is in hibernation, he would be punted out automatically.

  • @Piat47
    @Piat47 2 года назад +1

    “Nuke anyones picnic” lol I’m gonna use that

  • @clarkesteinman5098
    @clarkesteinman5098 Год назад

    32:25 Hey Matt, it’s 2023! Ready for our game of Nemesis?

  • @KarimTheilgaard
    @KarimTheilgaard 4 года назад +6

    Never before have I clicked this hard on a board game review! 👽

  • @Jaaj2009
    @Jaaj2009 4 года назад +10

    "Can't really recommend it, literally won't stop recommending it, love it, it's a mess" pretty perfect summary

  • @carloc352
    @carloc352 7 месяцев назад +1

    Man I loved my first (hopefully of a long row) Nemesis game. It’s true that rules can be introduced gradually. I’ve been positive surprised at how smooth the gaming experience can be. The characters are absolutely charismatic. I played a convict looking like Hannibal Lecter prone to punching xenomorphs in their … well… face?😂

  • @joseluiscabrera2826
    @joseluiscabrera2826 Год назад +2

    That’s an amazing review. I think you really touched all bases here, no one should buy Nemesis without watching this! I just had my copy a few weeks ago and I really love this game, even knowing it’s not for everybody. It’s definitely too expensive, but it rewards with such great moments and stories to tell that every stable group of boardgamers should have one for special occasions.

  • @dylangrizzle
    @dylangrizzle 4 года назад

    Cool video, hope all of you keep up the good work.

  • @ojciecvaader9279
    @ojciecvaader9279 3 года назад

    I really aprreciate and watched with pleasure this review :)... Nicely played

  • @goodaccount2488
    @goodaccount2488 8 месяцев назад +2

    This is an excellent review/video.

  • @darrenw2
    @darrenw2 3 года назад +1

    hilarious review. Loved it!

  • @diegoorrego5898
    @diegoorrego5898 3 года назад +1

    One of your best reviews;)

  • @kgeo2686
    @kgeo2686 4 года назад

    Damn you guys are really good at reviews

  • @kenswanson7176
    @kenswanson7176 4 года назад +1

    Literally LOLed when Big Bin Barry showed up

  • @rupert7565
    @rupert7565 4 года назад

    That pear, it's great!

  • @Khelben7
    @Khelben7 4 года назад +6

    Best game ever. Played it 25 times and won 7 times. Absolutely love the semi co-op! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @MirkoCano
    @MirkoCano 4 года назад +3

    A perfect example of how good SUSD is. Fantastic review, stating clearly both positive and negative points.

  • @afshinghassemi3284
    @afshinghassemi3284 4 года назад

    Nice review! Well done