Should You Back Nemesis: Retaliation? - 21 Hours Left....And Then 12 Months
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Nemesis: Retaliation is a 1-5 player semi co-op horror Sci-Fi thematic Board Game created by Adam Kwapiński and published by Awaken Realms. It is the final, epic part of the Nemesis trilogy (you DO NOT need to play/own previous games to enjoy Retaliation). This time, you will play as a Marines squad, fully knowing what they are getting themselves into - prepare for a lot of fresh mechanics and better then ever cinematic moments, your friends stabbing you in the back, and an onslaught of the alien HORDE!
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TimeStamps:
0:00:00 - Introduction
0:01:20 - Overview of the Game
0:04:00 - Pledge Levels
0:07:20 - Stretch Goals
0:10:20 - Add Ons
0:13:55 - Should You Back It?
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7:16 … “says the guy who backed 7 zombicides” 😂. This is classic board game co. This kind of candid banter is why I’ve been following this channel for almost 4 years now. ❤
Lol thank you :)
Honestly, the “says the guy who backed 7 zombicides” was my favorite part of the video 😅
I’m so annoyed with the stupid polls. The worst being the neoflesh spider.
Maybe it’s irrational but being shown other options and being denied by popular vote feels worse than just having been ignorant of the other possible designs.
I’ve felt that way in the past but actually liked almost every option they offered for the polls this time around, with the exception being the queen. The spider was the only one I even half liked.
Agreed, however, I actually quite liked the spider-esque queen model that was chosen. My frustration was that with the following thrall models that were chosen through the vote, there is hardly a scrap of visual correlation between them. The queen has spider like features, and not a single one of the thralls("adults") that had similar features was chosen by majority. Now each type of thrall looks visually disjointed and I find it quite annoying.
@@jackgeneser5285 yes it feels very disjointed and that people just chose the one that looked the most like whatever archetype it was rather than necessarily the most interesting.
well, this is democraty, they stated that every of the 4 designs presented was great to them, so you might aswell have ended up with the spider, without a poll.
@@jackgeneser5285 Disjointed is the whole point, it fits the lore
This is probably the most adult response to the question, "Should you back?" Love this answer. It's on you whether YOU decide to treat yourself or not. That's why there's so many options to back at varying degrees of TreatYoSelf/Irresponsibility.
Alex! I was drinking water while you said this 7:20 and almost chocked containing my laugh. be careful with those powerful jokes, you almost killed me !🤣
Already done and very happy with it too.
Finally, been waiting for this one :)
The timing of this thing right before Christmas makes me more indecisive than i otherwise would be. I'm doing my first dollar pledge to analyze where I'm at/ what i want later.
A good rule of thumb is that if you're on the fence, don't get it, or get the smaller amount or something like that. If you're going to spend $900, be confident about it
I remember when I thought board games were getting too expensive because Caverna was $100.
A couple of times I think you said the gameplay/military pledge doesn’t include untold stories #4 but that is listed as included on gamefound, I just wanted to check if that was correct? Thanks for the roundup
They added the untold into that pledge recently. it wasnt there before.
Not sure why they included the terrain pack in the Military Pledge since it’s purely cosmetic (and costs $39)
Greed :(
So i’m a vanlifer and i also have a mammoth shadows of brimstone collection…
really on the fence. I’m
an all or nothing kinda guy 😂
I just noticed they offer painted mini's 😮
I don't have the money but that's awesome!
Is untold storie #4 not in the military pledge ? 6:05 ? I see on GF that it is included... do I have to add it then ?
I'm sorry! That was my oversight
oww this is the video i have been waiting
Enjoy :)
I'm holding off backing for now as I'm not really sure I need all 3 games and have other horde type games now. I may late pledge for some of the expansions I'm interested in, but I kind of want to see the game further along. Some people who played the demo complained the game was too easy while others complained it was too hard, so I'm really confused as to how it actually plays. I'd really, really like to read a rule book before I back.
For our games it was too easy, but I think a big part of that is which goals you draw
If you already own Nemesis, does getting the standee version and using your existing alien minis and human minis make sense?
The existing mini’s will be too large - but you could use the characters.
As they reduced alien miniatures size to fit enought of them inside corridors and rooms, I guess previous aliens would be too big and sometimes would be a bit messy. Illustrations would not match with sculpts either. Other than that I don't see an issue, so if that doesn't bother you, why not?.
Sound works fine here!
Thank you! I'm trying to figure out what's going on
Just plain Nemesis retail, with miniatures, NOT sundropped is $200. Any level sounds worth it.
Exactly this, when I see people planning that it's not a good price. I have no idea what they're talking about
I am a huge fan of Nemesis and so this was a must back for me. I play the current games on a regular basis and they would still be in my collection, even if I had a ruthless cull on my collection. I am a painter, with lots of free time i.e. older, grown up family, divorced, and so I don't need sundrop. However, if I didn't paint, I would probably opt for it. My pledge comes to around £350 before shipping, which is a crazy amount of money for a game but I am okay with that. I dropped another pledge, that was a similar cost, to choose this one instead.
I am all for knowing your own budget, and knowing where and when to spend money that brings you joy. If this is your thing, then go for it
On today's episode of "no audio Wednesday". One man communicates pledge levels knowing we are all already backing 😂
I'm confused, I have audio
@@BoardGameCono worries it is back. Maybe RUclips was having issues when the video first went live.
Thanks
Is there any benefit to backing it now as opposed to waiting until the late pledge opens?
In the FAQ Awaken Realms say they can't guarantee prices won't change in the pledge manager, so you might have to pay a bit more if you wait.
And they can't guarantee Stretch Pay will still be 7 payments, they've heavily implied it'll be less
I would love to see you do a comparison of Another Glorious Day in the Corps and Retaliation.
I am left baffled that I've watched a bunch of Retaliation videos and no one has even mentioned Another Glorious Day in the Corps.
Someone with the prototype needs to do a blow by blow comparison and you would do an awesome, methodical job of it.
The games are very different despite having the same theme. Aliens is lighter and faster, but tied more closely to its IP. Nemesis Retaliation is a tougher and heavier experience, with connections to the Nemesis IP.
@lukejw11
Which is exactly why someone needs to do a head to head comparison.
Aren’t the aliens also like kitset models still on the sprues you need to build?
@@koonfasa
Yes, another point of comparison.
@@koonfasa: They are but that doesn't impact gameplay at all.
Would you say that Nemesis is a good solo game? I thinking of only getting the original but play almost exclusively solo.
I've played a cooperatively and the regular way, but I haven't played it solo
@@BoardGameCo thanks for the fast reply, bud!
Is this game going to be released this year?
In military plage you get Untold stories #4
Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry for not realizing!
I want to play this game, but do not see myself ever playing it enough to justify getting it. I hope someone I know buys it. :)
Hmmn. I already own Space Hulk 4E and the reprinted Level 7 Omega Protocol with the expansion. Not sure how much different this is going to be. I can afford it. It's more a question of HOW different will it be from what I already have.
$1 for now, going to see what other add-ons they make during the PM so i can add it all to stretch pay
How do you pledge $1? I don't see that option on the gamefound page.
Helpful hint for anyone that wants game play all in without plushies, dice trays, comics etc. Start your pledge with the trilogy bundle, it will save you a good chunk of money over the military bundle. Then add bundles like the acrylic bundles. Etc
Don’t buy all 3, you don’t need 3 games which are so similar
@ylein6508 disagree. Nemesis is Alien the game. Retaliation is Aliens the game. Lockdown is just an improved Nemesis in a different location. Different games, different themes, and feel. If I had limited funds or space it would be up for consideration. But I plan on playing it all.
@@ylein6508 plenty of people will enjoy all 3
Can you still get everything in the late pledge? I'm new to this.
Yes, you don't have to back anything yet. They sometimes even add more cosmetic things in the late pledge.
@@Deadomen123 awesome thanks. I was hoping to pick up the aftermath expansion for OG nemesis along with retaliation. But it's that time of year and I'm broke.
I have successfully been able to say no to this one. It was hard…. But I did it. Well, as long as I don’t turn around in the next day. 😅
And of course avoiding the late pledge for the next year
would be good to go into more depth about the Untold Stories #1,2,3,4.
Hey! Alex said Lockdown correctly finally instead of calling it Lockup. Major props for not trying to sell us on Stretch Pay 👌🏻
Lol, I've only called it that once 🙂
But it was so annoying when they saw people wanted the acrylic pack and they later added a paid add on acrylic pack for stretch goals.
which no one forces you to buy them .
I have 3 days left if I would love Nemesis lockdown, chytids and aftermath in my native language. But I did buy Cthulu in january and Massive Darkness in february. It would be "the same game but in different coat" so I should go for ISS Vanguard
Yes. Yes, you should! I need alllllll of the things. Can't wait for this one!
I have sound, not sure why others don’t…
Don’t have any Nemesis so going in on the Trilogy pledge with gameplay add-ons - stories, alien races, heroes pack etc. Figure the terrain in LD is enough (don’t need 3 sets of doors), no acrylics, mats sleeves etc. and only $75 a month - ha.
Make sure you pick up the medic for og nemesis.
I might just do the standard... I went all in on ISS vanguard and then see all the expan drop in retail and I was. "Oh... I could've just bought it here."
Lol I think I might pledge for the standard Stretch and just see which expansion I need later.
I think a lot of things will be available, but price point wise, their campaigns are almost always the best bet
the value i personnaly see in this campain is the opportunity to get the original nemesis and everything related. maybe get all the minis sundroped or even prepainted.
That's it.
Nemesis is about the Alien the movie cinematic experience to me. which is not present in retaliation, retaliation is predator or starship troopers or something else , not alien. And i can get by or house rule to add in nemesis, what is relevant in the lockdown experience.
I really don't know should I get this or not. There are many things I'm interested (more streamlined Nemesis experience, more modular board, NPC, The Xyrians etc.), but at the same time I'm afraid it will be too streamlined. They have removed so many features of the original Nemesis(no enemy weaknesses, no crafting, no slime, I'm not even sure if malfunction/fire tokens destroy the place anymore etc.), too much like a dungeon crawler and game seems easier overall. Also semi-coop seems to be much weaker which is the biggest complain I have.
Of course, there is no rulebook yet and I might have skipped something in the playthrough videos.
Totally hear that, there have been lots of instances in the boarding space of streamlined games being better, but also instances of them losing their magic. For myself, I got a similar feeling from playing this as I did regular Nemesis, but I'm a more casual nemesis enjoyer compared to a hardcore fan.
@@BoardGameCoThat is great to hear! I didn't back it now, because I was too uncertain, but I might get it in the late pledge. We will see
Unfortunately, no rulebook = no plege.
Totally got that, you'll have plenty of time before the late pledge closes
Going with the Military Pledge and a playmat. Also, Untold Stories #4 is included in that pledge level. Really appreciate the coverage. I want everything so badly but your statement at the end about the Military Pledge reinforced my decision to stay at the lower level.
I'm at the trilogy pledge right now and I keep having to talk myself off the ledge of just going at the $900 all in. I want to add add ons and I know I don't want everything, but I still have to figure out what I want from the earlier Nemesis games
@@kanalune I started with a plan to go All All-In but talked myself down to just the newest game. The main people I would play this with would prefer Retaliation over the others. However, before I got myself talked down to just Retaliation I was pretty convinced that i just needed Lockdown and Retaliation and could pass on the original game from watching videos others had put out. Best of luck in your decision!
I don't understand how they could do so well without showing the rulebook or any solo gameplay
There is a platypus first player token. Of course you need to back it
I went Military + Constructs + Acrlylics. $325. All gameplay + essential bling.
I wanted to take the Military pledge too, but since there is only a $6 discount, I preferred to take the Collector's Pledge and add the expansions :) And I get more stuff like the artbook and the playmat :)
Technically wouldn't it be their 4 game? Nemesis, Nemesis Aftermath, Nemesis Lockdown, and Nemesis Retaliation.
Aftermath was an expansion
I wonder if RUclipsrs were allowed to compare the figures from retaliation to other figures
I didn't receive any instructions about that if it helps.
I'm All-In into Tainted Grail, i also go All-In into Nemesis. I have TG1.0 and all the Stuff fron Nemesis... but both Games are really amazing... so if you want all the stuff and it's value is worthy, so jump into All-In^^
If you're someone that finds that you actually do go through all the contents in these games, then it's a different conversation for sure
The all-in is not needed at all. Apart from the core game + stretch goals, there are only there gameplay add-ons.
Does anyone know if there is a true coop mode? I only play with one friend and we don't like the traitor mechanism. We want pure coop.
My understanding is everyone has a shared goal and an optional alternative goal. If you want co-op you could probably just leave out the alternative goals.
Base game price is fair. And yet we Crowdfunding backers tend to all in. For the latter my opinion is that the price point is way too high and the Stretchgoals are quite underwhelming for the biggest campaign of 2023.
I understand that, I think in general add-ons are always more expensive
@BoardGameCo the all in pledge of both previous games costed less than just retaliation. But I do understand that AR calls that price as they know people are willing to pay anyway.
I'll pay the price of a retail Nemesis or Lockdown, around 140€ (less even maybe, depending on shipping) so I find it very fair considering the free stuff we're getting and not underwhelming at all. Nobody really needs the all-in.
Holy Procrastination Batman! ;)
Lol, indeed
Interesting marketing imagery for the expansions. One expansion is just 2 new characters but the image shows a hefty looking box, which I'd think you'd not need for such a small addition. So many of the additions are visually represented as huge game boxes which seems misleading. I literally can't afford this game, but I love the artwork and the IDEA of the content and I think the miniatures are cool. If it were a TV series I'd watch it (unless it turned out to be as bad as most sci-fi TV series).
Don't worry alex im not insane, i didnt get the sundrops.
16 months!
Lol yep
I didnt get those 2 new races because lets be honest here. Most ppl wont even bother to play with the new races. You have enough of content just with core box + stretches already.
Would love to like it, but the semi coop aspect is just not for me, I know I would not enjoy the game, thanks for the details.
You can choose to leave out that aspect. My group does for base Nemesis.
There is a coop/solo mode option.
No Sound for me
That's weird, I'm watching it now on my phone and I have sound
Sound is ok now :)
No sound in the entire video
I have sound at least on my phone... Haven't checked elsewhere
@@BoardGameCo weird.. Working now but wasn't before.. Oh well 🤷🏻♂️
Soo.. if keeping 2-3 Zombicides is ok, then 2-3 Nemesises aren't that much different 😂
I mean the math isn't wrong
The idea that I'd have to buy all the different nemesis games to get each part of the Untold Stories is a nah for me. Co op campaign mode feels like an afterthought and I'm not about to have people available to play this competitive
They’re unique to the individual games. Even if you could get them you can’t play it without the games it came with. Besides that, having a fully illustrated comic book storyline campaign is kind of like… the opposite of an afterthought.
That being said, while it’s very good and I appreciate the fleshed out story, campaigns aren’t usually my style and I prefer the game without them.
Xyrians are clearly meant to be predator's :D
Lol, that makes so much sense, completely missed it.
I may be in the minority, especially here, but when there is too much content, I find it drives me away from backing things these days.
What is too much content? If I need to buy a new Kallax unit to hold it, it's too much content.
Agreed
Then don't get all the optional content.
No sound
I'm washing it right now and I have sound
Yep, it's started working for me now too.
I could do $65.
Lol fair
One of the easiest skip of my life, it's just not the game or theme for me but I still watch the video to understand the hype.
Otoh I backed secrets of the lost tomb
The proper statement about Awaken Realms games, if the game doesn’t suck then it will hold its value.
I was more expecting a in depth review to tell me the difference between this retaliation vs other Nemesis, sadly this video gave me little to none information about that.
Totally get that, ultimately my should you back series is more about what to get than a full in depth gameplay sorry!
Not backing. Base Nemesis game is great but it's really enough for me, no need for countless useless expansions.. ;)
Sun drop seems like such a waste when you have things like RUclips tutorials on how to paint. I’m sorry but paying extra for a generic wash sounds awful.
Lol are you a painter!? Because I am. I love painting. And trust me, sundrop is worth it.
Sundrop is for adding some depth to miniatures that you don't have time to paint. I have tons of miniatures to paint, and yes, it looks better painted. But I would rather have sundrop than a sea of Grey plastic I don't have time to paint
I have zero skill and no interest in painting. So Sundrop is worth it for me.
@@TwineandribbonI am a painter too and the first step I do when painting minis is the shading. This is very easy to do so I wonder how do you find paying 150$ to have everything just with a base shading instead of doing it yourself?
@@Exozik well first off each can of paint is 15-20 bucks and you’re going to need at least 2 for the sun drop effect so that’s about 40 bucks after tax. Oh wait we want what… 5-6 shades for the diff aliens? That’s about 100 bucks just in paint, just for shading… and I haven’t even gotten to brushes, or non base coat paint, much less the time it takes. You can cheap out on the paint… but I’ve ruined minis that way, and then you’re just doubling your cost, didn’t save any money by skipping sundrop, and often adding in like five times as much cost in time as you have to go about the messy business of paint stripping and hoping you don’t f it up, because it’s never as easy as the tutorials online would have you believe.
I enjoy the heck out of painting but it’s NOT a cheap option unless you just happen to already have all the paint supplies laying around
Audio is perfect. Back All in Sundrpp. You know you want to. Help it reach $13 million! 😂