BURST KILLER - 1958 Burst vs 1959 ES-335 - is the ES-335 the champion of guitars?
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2021
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I have to agree with you about that Cream video - it makes me want to pull out what little hair I still have, every time I watch it. AAARRRGGGHHH!
Your own, present video: very interesting and enjoyable. Thanks and happy 2022 to both of you.
Thanks, yes its fustrating and like you what little hair I have left also would be radically decreased if I watched that video again lol
Brilliant, thank you.
Thank you
Great video guys! To my ears they are two different guitars, both great but different. You did a good job in describing the how both sound. 335 has a thinner but slightly more range than the LP which has a thicker sound.
Thank you Dave! Merry xmas
Great video but remember in order to do an apples vs apples comparison they need to be compared on the same rig and played by the same person; not even taking into account that Bob is playing without a pick while Ramon is playing more conventionally. Thank you for this and a great 2022 for you and your families.
Wonderful playing!
Always awesome to hear you and Bob play. Thanks for this Ramon
Pleasure bro
Thanks for these kind words!
Still reverberating in my brain is the significance of Ramon's comment on the Clapton recording that everyone stated was played on a 335 because all the films show him playing just that guitar BUT it was actually recorded on an SG. Kind of undermines all the detailed analysis by some of the subtle or not so subtle differances between similar guitars of different ages or just differences between different guitars. Real food for thought, Ramon !
Ahhh actually the 335 from the concert footage is exactly that but the live recording which everyone knows from the pub Jukebox is actually an SG sorry if I didn't make that clear. The royal Albert concert is not the well known recording we all know of crossroads sorry I'm confusing myself now!
I will do a video on it soon to clear it all up.
But yes you are right in your comment it's strange how everyone just associated crossroads with a 335 even I did...until I researched it. I think I made a video explaining the whole thing anyway
@@TheGuitarShow I think that you HAVE cleared things up, at least for me. I used to have a vinyl best of years ago and may be right in saying that it was a Crossroads studio recording - might be wrong though !! Anyway, thanks for responding, Ramon !
@@grahamt33 pleasure Graham actually the studio/live versions solo was spliced from two different solos or it was edited in some way. But yes, it was his painted SG that was used on that track. Happy new year bro
As always, a most enjoyable video. Keep em coming.
Thank you Dave, merry xmas!
Awesome! Merry Christmas!
Thanks Ken - you too!
We missed you! Great video!
Great video, but it seemed like the amps were set up unevenly and that es-335 should've been cranked more. The playing was really great tho
Superb demo of some connoisseur instruments 🎸👍 Keep it going ! Thanks + Cheers.
Thank you very much
Havent got time to watch this today...but i gotta say....great intro gentlemen. Fantastic!
Happy new year yall
Thanks bro, hapy new year to you also
Keep doing what you do
Well done from Las Vegas USA
Thanks Kelli
Thanks, gentlemen! Love your show (and guitars) and really enjoy jamming along with you both. Today you went from the old "Jump Swing" style to the "London Blues" style, both two of my favorites. I had a laugh over your description of the "elegant" Bluesmen with 335 and 355 in the 50s and then the "scruffy" English Bluesman with the Les Paul in the 60s. Actually, that was when I climbed on board the Blues train, after hearing Clapton with the Yardbirds and Mayall in about '66. I am a Les Paul guy, but after watching this video I may have to start thinking about finding a 335. Take care, Gents!
Absolutely awesome video!
Thank you
Great stuff. Merry Christmas Bob and Ramon
and a merry xmnas to you bro - hope we can play soon!
I’m hearing some stepped up audio production here, sounds phenomenal! Great vid, guys!
Thanks Ryan - and thanks for spotting the audio!
@@TheGuitarShow I happened to be listening with headphones (rare for me lol) and it jumped out immediately. A couple of awesome players with awesome guitars talkin guitars. Pretty much my fave!
Great stuff as always. Thanks. Btw just listened to Sitting on top of the World from the ‘68 Dallas show… phew! Amazing!! Thanks for mentioning it. 😀
The farewell concert was filmed by French television which perhaps denotes the ‘artistic’ nature of the film.
I’m glad we’ve got something from that concert though even though it’s a bit odd.
thanks, I agree
Great video guys. I love both guitars. I happily play either, but I have to say in terms of mid priced modern reproductions I find most 335s to be more well balanced from bridge to neck pickup. I like the air with the semi hollow construction on the neck position, where is so many LP style guitars are just muddy on that end
Love the show guys. Keep it up.👌🏽🎸💥
Best wishes for the New Year. 🍾🥂🎉
Thanks! You too Will!
Oh, very nice toys for Christmas ! Very nice playing too.
Thanks bro, merry xmas
I'll take both of them thank you very much!!!!
great video, but you should have matched your amp settings better. I'm sure, if you put one of the guitars in one and then in the other amp, it would sound quite different. They could sound much closer, with the 335 a bit more percussive and punchier
Sounds so good guys. thanks.
Thank you
Id live happily ever with those 2 guitars and maybe a early 60s strat. I'd die a happy man..
Great video guys!
Merry Xmas and Happy New Year from
Australia
I have lived happily 73 Year s with a 1966 Gibson ES 330 bought in Arkansas, and a Gibson ES-140 3/4 Arch Top Hollow Body Electric Guitar (1956) and Les Pauls I no longer own, TOO DAMNED HEAVY. I have a Harley Bensin Les Paul knock-off I paid $80.00 for 6 years ago, IT PLAYS AS GOOD AS ANY GIBSON. Big Fat Neck like the 1950's Gibsons. $80 pus shipping from Germaney,
@@W5AWG I wish I grew up in the 70s and 80s and was able to buy some good guitars. I've got a late 90s r8 vos which to me is a great guitar but I love those 335s like the one in this video. My 335 doesn't sound as good as these
Great video gents, I loved that opening jam! I have a 335 copy and love the variety of tones I can get out of it compared to my Les Paul and Casino, very versatile guitar.
...great post, thanks
Thanks
Damn was a great video guys! I'll take the Les Paul any day and twice on Sundays! But that 335 is a monster! Great chops by the both of you by the way!
Great video. What a nice problem to solve 😁😎
Thanks! Happy xmas
Sounding some kind of good there fellas!
Thanks Patrick
Really informative and entertaining. I prefer the 335's tones to the LP - but I'm coming from a Fender background.
Great video gentlemen, I love the 58
Very cool, as always. Greetings from Moscow.
I watched a Les Paul tone video that Bonamassa made. He has his tone around 5 and Volume around 8 with the 50's wiring in the bursts. I started this practice and I do like it. Love both 335 and Les Paul. Great video.
Interesting - I thought as much...
Smoking T-bone cover at the beginning. Great playing all around. And those guitars are fantastic. That burst is gorgeous.
Thanks
'Balls' said the queen...
lol
The Les Paul just got louder and the 335 got quieter all the way through this video.
Yes I think Bob's yoga ball was to blame.
...yes
pleasure
...Bukovac changed my mind ...lol
...also Paul Stafford Cook ruclips.net/video/UzxgXA5XJY0/видео.html ...a remarkable 'driving instructor' player :)
...and let's not forget Barry Cadogan ruclips.net/video/wJPPkpGlUM8/видео.html
You guys should have swapped amps for a comparison
Excellent point!!!
Very informative and comprehensive subject study of two iconic instrument designs. While in my opinion the 335 is a direct descendant of Les Paul’s “Log” design it gets a sound and tone which is a different animal from the Log, but also in my opinion does indeed get a tone and timbre all its own. The Les Paul occupies its own niche and place in music and both are my personal choice in guitars as I have owned many of both models, vintage and new. A good representation of the sound of each and a good comparison would be Billy Gibbons’ tone from ‘71-‘74 (I have some audio only YT vids up from this era) and Alvin Lee’s tone on the Fillmore Live two disc set. Both of these guitars are representative of great Gibson tones. Thanks again for a great presentation. 🇺🇸🎸👮🏻♂️
While in my opinion the 335 is a direct descendant of Les Paul’s “Log” design OMG you are so wrong. Les Paul had NOTHING TO DO on Either one.
A We were good friends, and I said Fred, somebody’s got to stop this guy Fender, he’s just about trying to take over. He said, "Ted, anybody with a bandsaw and a router can make a solidbody guitar. But for Gibson to do it, I just couldn’t believe it." Do you know that none of them ever made a solidbody guitar for years?
Not for a while, no.
Years.
Was Les Paul’s only contribution to the design the long tailpiece?
That’s the only one.
He’s said that he designed more than that.
What? What does he claim he did?
In one interview he said he designed everything but the carved top.
[Laughs.] Well, actually, I have told you exactly how it got to be a Les Paul. We spent a year designing that guitar, and he never saw it until I took it to Pennsylvania.
So why would he say that?
I don’t know. But what is there, outside of the carved top, and the shape, to the design?
I suppose the combination of the maple and the mahogany is important to the design.
The sandwich? He never saw it, I’m sure he didn’t know it for years.
How about the gold-finished top?
Gibson Les Paul Custom Black Beauty 1957
We did that because the gold finish covered the blemishes in the wood, the cosmetic appearance. Because guitar players are strange. Now [speaking in 1992] they’re making guitars with maple with... what do they call that? Quilted maple, yes. In the early ‘50s you couldn’t give one away. If it was maple it had to be fiddleback maple, had to be perfect, couldn’t have any blemishes, couldn’t have any mineral streaks in it.
Was the guitar you had turned out in production?
You’re talking about the Les Paul? Oh, absolutely. So I got to thinking, you know, at that time Les Paul and Mary Ford were riding very high. They were probably the number one vocal team in the United States. They were earning a million dollars a year. And knowing Les and Mary, I decided maybe I ought to show this guitar to them.
They were at a hunting lodge, borrowed from a friend of theirs, in Delaware Water Gap, which is up in the mountains in Pennsylvania. Carol, who was Mary’s sister, had an almost identical voice. They could sing a duet, with one of them off-stage-they did this frequently-and it sounded like Mary was singing a duet with herself. Their bass player was Wally Kamin, and Wally was Carol’s husband-so the four of them were a group. They were all together in this lodge up in the mountains.
I had been talking to Les by phone, and I talked to Phil Braunstein, his financial manager, a New York accountant. So I made a date with Phil, flew into New York, had breakfast, got in his car, and I had this guitar with me.
@@W5AWG read my post OMG…………I made no mention of Les Paul having anything to do with the design of the 335.Ted McCarty claimed design credit for the 335 as well as the tuneomatic bridge, read page 9 of Adrian Ingram’s book The Gibson 335. I’ve done my research during my 50+ years of collecting, thank you very much.
Absolutely brilliant video guys - just ‘so’ much to write in a single comment! - I’d say as a performing artist playing on a stage, it’d be the les Paul all day long. I’d also say the lp feels the more powerful instrument whereas the 335 more even toned perhaps - I’ve played 85495 which has the big neck & not too far away from Bob’s - whereas I’d say the early 58 pafs I have in my 58 are more like a 335 in their sound, especially in the middle position - then you’ve got the pots etc etc - Bobs comment about vol on 8 is spot on ! - Probably about the most informative vintage guitar vid out there just now - well done ;)
Will take 335 EVERY SINGLE TIME! BEST Sounding, and most versatile guitar every made!
Night and day notice between the finger and the pick!
Yes good point!
Is the version of Sitting on Top of the World you mention on this video the one from Dallas October 25, 1968 at Memorial Auditorium? If so then it's actually the Darkburst Les Paul and not the Firebird. There's photos of Eric playing both guitar on this concert but you can hear him change pickups on this particular song so it has to be the Les Paul
Thanks for the info Daniel
...and reflected in the mirror is the hat Bob really wanted to wear in the video!
Great video! Is not a burst killer but I think it can do the same job pretty well. Btw, it would be great if you can get an AYB pedal so we can hear the guitars in the same amp for this 1 to 1 comparisons
How is it there aren't more views on these
Thank you James
2 fantastic Gibson guitars. I have great examples of both. I don't know how the 335 is dialed in? But you can make it sound much fatter and aggressive. Very close to a Les Paul but with more of that hollow airiness. It sounds like the 335 needs a bit more gain or perhaps EQ'd differently. It comes across thinner and less meaty than that 58 LP. Great video 👍🏻
Great point - yes, watching this back the 335 sounded thinner - I think the amps were setup a little differently. Happy xmas
@@TheGuitarShow M Xmas and Happy New Year!
Yes, I agree. I don't think we spent enough time on setting up the tones. The 335 sounds particularly thin. Too many mics, lights etc. to worry about. We need a production team £££££
Bonamassa usually replaces a Burst for a 335 and the 335 sounds pretty much the same.
Excellent point. Great playing by both players and yes, as I said before: I'll take both of them. Thank you very much!
What pedals are they using? Delay? Chorus?
As much as I love my semi hollows the Les Paul to me is unmatched!! It’s just a phenomenal guitar… but the feel of the air through the f-hole is awesome lol
I agree, Thanks
Now try playing that stuff with high end Epiphones !!! Happy New Year, Boys !
thanks Graham - happy new year !
Any plans on a one pickup guitar comparison?
That's a great idea Andy, thanks.
Got several of those so very possible....
Hi guys you should be plugged into the same amp. Bob seemed to have heavy delay on it too
Yes next time we'll pay more attention to our amp sound
...also, I think Ramon should play the 335 and vice versa - you're both VERY different players ...just sayin'
Thanks - yes I think so too but Bob wanted be Mr 335 so who I am I to deprive him? lol Thanks bro
Just think,...All The greats,...the early Rock Icons like Mike Bloomfield to Hendrix, etc.,....simultaneously, owned a 59 Burst, while a few other great ones, had a 58 or a 60 Burst,.....Cheers!
Pleasure bro
I own a 64’ 335 and a ‘59 burst. I agree with you guys whole heartedly. I think a semi hollow guitar recording gets more out of a mix and live a les paul gets more out of driving an amp.
Great playing by both! Les paul tone sounds better to me
Thasnks Randy - merry xmas
Yep , nice guitars , but i'll stick with my stanford crossroads thinline 30 , it's an ES 330 / casino design guitar , so full hollow with p 90 pu's and an full lenght neck and i also put an bigsby on it . for me it;s the do it all guitar , sounds great acoustic and sounds killer plugged into an amp .
Another point is that the 335 isn't being played w a pic. He's fingerstyle. Plus trade out amps as suggested earlier. Or just switch guitars and the LP will sound a bit thinner due to playing without a pic. Not criticizing just a fact: playing with a pick is louder, meatier. Again: I'll take both guitars!!!
Ps: both excellent players of course!!!
Good point Steve we will take all this on board for our next videos
Thank you!
The
Lester sounds like it’s been mixed a lot louder than the 335.
You are right, what happened is I am only used to protools butI forgot some hardware so I had to use garage band and it was a real pain in the butt to work out how to mix and edit on it.
Nice 58 Gibson Les Paul by Way Ramon.
Merry xmas Will from Bob & I
@@TheGuitarShow Merry Christmas 🤶 from the South Wales. Valleys .
@@willashfordpayne8354 Thanks bro
The haemeroid removal surgery was successful, Bob looks comfortable on his big blue ball. The first dung, post surgery, is like crapping barbed wire. Merry Perineum, I think that's the space between Christmas and New Year 😀
...I think another factor is the sheer price difference
Thats true Neil
Let's see some of them 2021 high end Epiphones Customs Moderns and Prophecy Models Gibson's are old news and does anyone except a handful even like Gibson's anymore...
I stopped liking Gibson when I found out Les Paul actually invented his solid body guitar AKA the Log in the Epiphone factory not Gibson 10 years before les Paul gave Gibson even a thought and Les Paul was always with Epiphone from 1940 until his death in August 2009 no.. wonder Gibson can't win any lawsuits they lied about a lot of things
I also have the 2021 Epiphone Les Paul Custom Koa it's high end and proper Les Paul the real deal
IDK I LIKE THE 335 BETTER WHEN ITS DIRTY, THE HARMONICS, AND TONE IS OUT OF THIS WORLD, I GOT LUCKY WITH MINE....GOT A FANTASTIC LES PAUL TOO, AND I GO BACK AND FOURTH HARD TO CHOOSE, ONE ISNT BETTER THEN THE OTHER...MORE HIT RIFFS WERE PROBABLY MADE ON THE 335, CLAPTON MADE MORE WITH THE 335 BELEIVE IT OR NOT...BESIDES BEANO HE WAS ON THE 335 THROUGH MOST OF THE 60S...ID BET MORE HITS WERE MADE ON THE 335, BC ITS MORE VERSATILE....GREAT FUNK AND RNB GUITAR PLAYED BY ALOT OF MEMPHIS STYLE PLAYERS,ITS A GREAT ROCK GUITAR TOO....
No mate. I was born in London and in in 68 I was broke in Manhattan and found myself trying to play at an all black party on 16th. A big black guy stood in front of me, looked at me, and said, 'Kid, YOU AIN'T NEVER HAD THE BLUES.'
Pshh!! I have every guitar Bob has and then some!
in reissue form….😗
Nice!
The Les Paul 'killer'
lol yes!
Swap guitars and compare the sound. I'm sure the 335 won't sound so thin. Also use a pick on the 335. You will be surprised.
As someone with both an Es335 and an LP and many other variations, as much as I like the es335 I feel it is the most overrated guitar style. I wonder if it’s a case of ‘group think’. A few channels have posted the notion that the Es335 is the one guitar to rule them all. It’s a great guitar but I’d be choosing an LP first - and before that a Tele.
THATS A THINNER SOUNDING 335, THERE MORE SIMULAR ON MOST OCCASIONS...
Les Pauls are overrated.