Goldenear Forcefield 3 and Rel HT 1205 subwoofers.
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- This video we experiment with the different wattages of subwoofer and do they make a difference based on size and design. We are not necessarily comparing specific models just two different subs we have on hand. Thanks for watching
A couple of things to consider:
1. Driver sensitivity: this is critical in determining the effect of wattage on volume
2. The human ear’s relative insensitivity to the lower octaves: it takes much more wattage to achieve a given volume the lower in frequency a driver goes. The Fletcher-Munson Curve describes this.
Having said all that, I appreciate your channel and enjoy watching. I’m also a Goldenear and REL fan.
Thanks for the tips. I do agree with most people that Rel’s are top tier for music. That’s what I use with my Goldenear and Paradigm’s and it’s just phenomenal. Thanks again for watching and supporting my channel Mark.
Rel will integrate better in a two channel setup. Most issues are integration she bass resonance related to when it comes to music
It is smoother in my two channel set up. I think that were it really shines. Thanks for watching
REL is clearly the winner here why? Well if you want more power you can get a REL Predator HT 1508 and stacked it up to six that's right 6 not two that's why REL Predator is a MONSTER you can stacked up to six of those MONSTER! Nothing can compare to that not even SVS REL rules!
Thanks for watching
1205 costs 449.99 now...new.
Good review. I just got a 1,000 watt KEF KC62. It sounds very good and it's only 2, 6.5" speakers. Watts matter. It is going back though- likely keeping the 1205. It is 1/3 the price and nearly as good.
Good choice D G. Thanks for taking the time to watch.
@@Audiolympian Thanks. I scored the HT/1205 for $449 and also bought a 4 year money back or exchange warranty. I am also not too picky. I think a 12" might do some things better than the 6.5" woofers and vice versa. It is amazing though how low that KEF can go. This thing is incredibly small too, 9"x10"x9". To your point, the wattage matters. The REL is 500 watts which is plenty for my casual listening, low volume needs.
@@MOAB-UT awesome. Keep the music alive.
Good comparison I was considering both subs. Well the Holden ear and the ht1003
Thanks for watching and commenting. Appreciate it. It helps the channel
The Goldenear has more mid bass and the REL hit lower, less decibels but deeper bass. The REL was clearer.
It was much smoother too. A great sub no doubt. Thanks for watching
@@Audiolympian
The Soft Ambience thing makes no sense when you're buying an Expensive Sub.
Rather just use Good Towers if that's what you're after
@@zulu_mafia I agree. That’s why I have Tritons and the rel sub is not my favorite one. Thanks for commenting and watching
@@zulu_mafia I couldn’t agree more, candles are for ambience not subs 😂
Too many variables including exaggerated specs.
I'm running 2 sealed 'homemade' JL subs @ 2x250 and they do everything you'd want as long as it's a good recording. If you have a song with little bass/bad recording you can crank the snot outta high wattage subs to compensate but that means you're on the app all the time compensating song to song and I'm not a fan of doing that. If I was to do it again I'd get ~350 watts rather than 250. Still, my preamp is running @ -4 most of the time with zero being the max.
You’re right a lot of companies exaggerate the specs for sure. I wish I could build my own speakers, I’ve always wanted too but I’m not that handy. Thanks for commenting and watching
@@Audiolympian Well, I ended up doing it by accident. I just had a couple of spare drivers hanging around and it was gonna be cheaper than 2 brand new subs. I just needed some sealed boxes plus and amp and that was ~^$800 as I already had the drivers. I'm into then for ~ $1200 each with the amp and using the preamp for the crossover. I could get more output cheaper but better sq would cost more.
@@Roof_Pizza nice 👍
I think in order to obtain a better output in sound quality, wattage should be considered in relation to driver size otherwise there'll always be noticeable trade-offs if one soeaker is smaller in driver size yet higher in wattage and the other speaker is the opposite. Personal preference takes a center stage over-all if such preference is made after listening to the subs in real time plus considering the size of the listening area where sub is intended for.
Very good points. Thanks for your comments and for watching. Appreciate you taking the time
Good to see you again!! At the end of the month I will finally get my triton ones, I want to know if you sell your supersat 3, I am looking for them for surrounds! I still believe that goldenear has high quality speakers so far
Home Theater Addiction hey thanks for watching. Actually I was considering on selling my Supersat 3’s with stands. I believe the same thing on GE sound.
Audiolympian how much will the supersat 3 cost?? I was very close to win an auction on ebay but I lost. On ebay, there is a lack of goldenear products!
Home Theater Addiction I haven’t really priced it but I can if your really interested. Of course then there is the shipping. But I’m not a person that tries to get rich from selling used items.
Audiolympian I am very interested, do you have an email?? So we can keep in contact, because in Chile there is no way to find the 3’s
Home Theater Addiction goldmedalsaginaw@att.net
I would buy many of the rel ht 1205 then
Oh yes. More subs is better than one for sure. I’ve heard the new Rel ht’s are better. I may get one because they do have great sound. Thanks for watching
You cant compare subwoofers without taking the driver size into account. The Golden Ear definitely has more output in your video. After comparing the specs, the REL, which has a larger driver(12 in), is -6 dB@22 HZ. The specs for the Golden Ear(8 in.) list the low-end response as 18 HZ but do not list the dB decrease. The quality of the bass is better with the REL in my opinion. The REL doesn't appear to be moving at all compared to the Golden Ear which is jumping and vibrating. 1000 watts may be generating too much internal pressure for that smaller cabinet. It would be more meaningful to be in the room but I suspect that the Golden Ear could be moving more air in the room(and maybe making more vibrational noise) due to the extra watts resulting in a higher excursion for the smaller driver than the REL, which has less power pushing a larger driver with less excursion. I suspect that the REL is better constructed than the Golden Ear( they make amazing loudspeakers!) I've had my REL Q108 for years and it's a killer sub.
Definitely agree the REL has a better bass response. And I use it in my listening area. I do wish the ff3 had a better build and didn’t move so much but I do like the impact it produces. Thanks for watching
Interested in hearing how the Rel compares to the golden ear? Have you had the Rel in the Golden ear setup?
I haven’t paired them together yet. But I would think it would pair extremely well together with any of the non powered tritons. If someone was going to pair a rel sub with the powered tritons they would need one of the higher end line of rel. The tritons are powerful
Audiolympian thanks....have a line on used one.R I want to use for home theater. In a 15x18 room.
Dana Dent nice. I think a rel would compliment those very well, near the back of the room if you can. At least I think the HT 1205 would get out produced at the front of the room being it’s only 500 watts compared to the one.r’s 1500 watts each
Great video buddy, what's the size of your Room ?
Thank you. The room I was in for the video is about 15 feet x 12 feet. Thanks for watching
Mixing two subs from two different brands (ie. Rel and svs) in your room isn't logical in terms of a better sound cohesion. It's always good to mix two from the same brand and also of the same type (ie two svs sb3ks).
Sub wattage should always be considered in correlation with driver size because smaller driver with high wattage isn't going to out perform lower wattage with a much bigger drive size to some extent especially for movie watching.
While the smaller driver with higher wattage would be punchier and faster, it wouldn't dig deeper compare to a bigger driver with a lower wattage. The physical size of the bigger driver in a bigger box means more lower bass while the smaller box bass is lighter, faster and tighter but its bass only remains in the air.
Thanks for watching
Great job & do you still have your Goldenear super XXL?
Henry47 thank you. Yes I still have it. I’ll keep that until GE brings something new. Thanks for watching
Audiolympian I have the super X & I should of got the XXL so I’m hoping to get another Super X . Lol 😂 or seal it and get the XXL. 😎👍🏻
Henry47 two x’s would be outstanding. I heard Gene from audioholics say at one of the GE demos he thought there was two subs on and it was just the one supersub x. Of course the xxl would be a great addition as well. I almost got a second one for myself a couple months ago. But I have the svs pb-16. So I really don’t need it, just want it
what kind of a comparison is this?you should use an spl meter
I did use one on another video. Thanks for watching
Are you saying the 8inch has more spl output?
In this particular video and going by my room. It did mostly because it was double the wattage. But the rel was lower in hz but not as impactful. Thanks for watching
@@Audiolympian I think you did a nice comparison. 👍
You proved what is known in the audio world. In order to achieve bass it’s either surface area and/or excursion.
Since the 8 in has less surface area then it needs to move a lot more to produce bass and in order to do that you need more wattage and you’re right in that you may need double in order to get that noticeable difference.
I don’t see why some commentators always give the vid creator such a hard time.
These tests continue to prove there are trade offs. If you want more hard hitting punchy bass then smaller driver and more power.
If one cares about deep low bass then larger driver. Room size is dependent also.
@@f430ferrari5 yes! My point exactly! Thanks for watching my friend
I haven't even watched it yet but wattage doesn't make a difference cone area does! Just because it says 1000w rms doesn't mean it'll sound louder than a 100w rms subwoofer! If you put 1000w into a 10" subwoofer it'll be loud but will never compare to an 18" rated at 100w rms.
If a person is dealing with basic cheap subs then I would agree. However both of these sub companies know how to build good real power subs. In this case it did make a difference. I have a scene I edited out of this video that showed the SPL was greater on the smaller more powerful sub. Thanks for commenting
Audiolympian The difference you hear is the passive radiators tuning. If the 8" had the same enclosure/ design as the REL even with its 1000ws it would lose out. The passive radiator boost frequencies at its tuning which is why you see/hear more outputs higher ranges. Rel subwoofers are made for listening not spl like this 8" it probably goes much deeper than the 8" though. If you swapped that 12" with SVS's SB2000 pro or SB2000 even being sealed you'd realise that power is meaningless in output capability when things are apples to apples.
@@maincharacter2677 you do have a good point. I do have other subs. The chose to challenge the rel because of its prestige and this was the home theater version of their subs. Which I do know they don’t compete with the likes of home theater sub like SVS, JTR and others. However the good points you make have peaked my interest in doing a video comparing an enclosed sub with higher wattage to see what happens. Thanks for watching
Audiolympian You're the boss man! I'll subscribe too since your channel caught my attention and it didn't fail to impress!
@@maincharacter2677 thanks bro. Appreciate the support 🤘🏼
those are some nice looking speakers you should give me that big sub for free can i get a hell NO!!!
Haha. Thanks for watching. We will be having a giveaway when we hit 1,000 subs. Not sure what it’s going to be yet. Stay tuned
I didn't hear sh*t.
You are quite literally comparing speaker to speaker. That's it. If you're trying to compare a single variable why did you choose subs with many many differentiating variables. It makes no sense! Size of the enclosure, sealed vs passive radiator, and Cone area. I don't care what you compare, I hate it when people say you can't compare this to that, BUT you can't say you're comparing wattage in this comparison because the other variables factor in so much more than wattage. Again, you ARE NOT comparing wattage. Sorry.
Also, if you're going to do these types of comparison you should measure! measurements would have been fun and could have provided a lot more information for your viewers.
Obviously. As I said in the video just, having fun. But to respond to a couple of your statements there were a couple reasons I chose these speakers. 1. They are my own equipment. I’m not sponsored or linked with any companies so I purchase everything with my own money because of that these are the speakers I had. Also I would imagine that using two of the same kind of speakers to compare but one is bigger and another is more powerful the difference will be slight. I also wanted to test how much of a difference a passive radiator makes. However you’re definitely not the first to comment with these concerns so it has intrigued me to look deeper and get another sub to compare with probably an svs sub that’s closer to the Rel I have. Thanks for watching
@@Audiolympian You made the effort which is far more than I can say. I've been wanting to create a video for a while. I think it's totally reasonable to compare these two subs and commend that you have done so. My only qualm is that you say at the very beginning you are not comparing the speakers and only comparing wattage which is the opposite of what you have done here.
If I know nothing about speakers I would gather from your post that the speaker with more power will deliver better performance and I think it's very misleading. I felt I needed to respond because the internets is full of so much information that taken at face value are so misleading. I doubt the 8 inch could hit anything around 20hz with authority! It's just physics my man. Notice you can't find a chart regarding the frequency response anywhere on that sub. I tried and found nothing. NOT a good sign. It claims 18hz but has not +- rating so who knows if that 15db down. It might be louder and it might make your ears think it's hitting lower than that REL but I highly doubt it. The rel gives at least this "-6db at 22 hz"
If you want to make a statement about wattage then you need to compare the same sub with more wattage. Period. That's how science works. If you want to compare a single variable the other variables need to be the same. You can't make ANY conclusions from your video other than one sub sounds louder than the other. When it fact the louder sub might not even play some of the notes the other plays. I'd rather have all the notes than some at higher SPL. you are NOT comparing wattage, sorry. You're just not. You're comparing two different subs with zero data to back it up.
@@NakeanWickliff actually if one is going to make a true comparison every single element has to be exactly the same which is most likely not gonna happen unless a person builds speakers for a living. Because I’ve never come across any subs that are exactly the same but one just has more power. The only way to compare is have a different brand and that in it of itself makes them different.
🙄 This strikes me pretty much as silly as a comparison between a Ford Mustang with a 350 pushrod engine and an Aston Martin with a 12 cylinder power plant... and the comparison is how long it takes to run all the rubber off the tires in a burnout. Totally insignificant comparison. Much like some people shouldn’t EVER have children... some so-called “audiophiles” shouldn’t have access to a phone with a video camera.
Haha. Thanks for watching.
I have no idea what you are trying to achieve with this. The subs are completely different. You are comparing apples with oranges. A complete and utter waste of time.
Was just having fun with different subs is all. Thanks for watching
It's *apples 🍎 to oranges 🍊
@@edwardsanchez3708 If only you were so particular when it comes to testing equipment!