2017/08/08: James Damore and his Google Memo on Diversity (complete)
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- Опубликовано: 8 авг 2017
- James Damore of Google recently wrote a memo detailing his thoughts about Google's diversity initiatives. Within a month, it went viral, and he was fired, for "perpetuating gender stereotypes." The problem is that everything James claimed is solidly backed by well-developed scientific literatures. Thus, the company in charge of much of the world's communication has now fired an excellent engineer for citing established scientific truths.
In this full 50 min interview, James and I discuss his motivations, and the consequences of his actions. We are joined (audio only) by another Google employee who wishes, for obvious reasons, to remain anonymous.
A fund-raiser for James has been established, here:
bit.ly/2uuI0lf
Here are a series of references buttressing the claims of James' memo:
Sex differences in personality/cognition:
Lynn (1996): bit.ly/2vThoy8
Lippa (2008): bit.ly/2vmtSMs
Lippa (2010): bit.ly/2fBVn0G
Weisberg (2011): bit.ly/2gJVmEp
Del Giudice (2012): bit.ly/2vEKTUx
Larger/large and stable sex differences in more gender-neutral countries: (These findings run precisely contrary to social constructionist theory: it's been tested, and it's wrong).
Katz-Gerrog (2000): bit.ly/2uoY9c4
Costa (2001): bit.ly/2utaTT3
Schmitt (2008): bit.ly/2p6nHYY
Schmitt (2016): bit.ly/2wMN45j
Differences in men and women's interest/priorities:
Lippa (1998): bit.ly/2vr0PHF
Rong Su (2009): bit.ly/2wtlbzU
Lippa (2010): bit.ly/2wyfW23
See also Geary (2017) blog: bit.ly/2vXqCcF
Life paths of mathematically gifted females and males:
Lubinski (2014): bit.ly/2vSjSxb
Sex differences in academic achievement unrelated to political, economic, or social equality:
Stoet (2015): bit.ly/1EAfqOt
Big Five trait agreeableness and (lower) income (including for men):
Spurk (2010): bit.ly/2vu1x6E
Judge (2012): bit.ly/2uxhwQh
The general importance of exposure to sex-linked steroids on fetal and then lifetime development:
Hines (2015) bit.ly/2uufOiv
Exposure to prenatal testosterone and interest in things or people (even when the exposure is among females):
Berenbaum (1992): bit.ly/2uKxpSQ
Beltz (2011): bit.ly/2hPXC1c
Baron-Cohen (2014): bit.ly/2vn4KXq
Hines (2016): bit.ly/2hPYKSu
Primarily biological basis of personality sex differences:
Lippa (2008): bit.ly/2vmtSMs
Ngun (2010): bit.ly/2vJ6QSh
Status and sex: males and females
Perusse (1993): bit.ly/2uoIOw8
Perusse (1994): bit.ly/2vNzcL6
Buss (2008): bit.ly/2uumv4g
de Bruyn (2012): bit.ly/2uoWkMh
To quote de Bruyn et al: high status predicts more mating opportunities and, thus, increased reproductive success. “This is true for human adults in many cultures, both ‘modern’ as well as ‘primitive’ (Betzig, 1986). In fact, this theory seems to be confirmed for non-human primates (Cheney, 1983; Cowlishaw and Dunbar, 1991; Dewsbury, 1982; Gray, 1985; Maslow, 1936) and other animals from widely differing ecologies (Ellis, 1995) such as squirrels (Farentinos, 1972), cockerels (Kratzer and Craig, 1980), and cockroaches (Breed, Smith, and Gall, 1980).” Status also increases female reproductive success, via a different pathway: “For females, it is generally argued that dominance is not necessarily a path to more copulations, as it is for males. It appears that important benefits bestowed upon dominant women are access to resources and less harassment from rivals (Campbell, 2002). Thus, dominant females tend to have higher offspring survival rates, at least among simians (Pusey, Williams, and Goodall, 1997); thus, dominance among females also appears to be linked to reproductive success.”
Personality and political belief:
Gerber (2010): bit.ly/2hOpnHa
Hirsh (2010): bit.ly/2fsxIzB
Gerber (2011): bit.ly/2hJ1Kjb
Xu (2013): bit.ly/2ftDhOq
Burton (2015): bit.ly/2uoPS87
Bakker (2016): bit.ly/2vMlQ1N
Occupations by gender:
bit.ly/2vTdgPp
Problems with the measurement and concept of unconscious bias:
Fielder (2006): bit.ly/2vGzhQP
Blanton (2009): bit.ly/2vQuwEP (this one is particularly damning)
Microaggressions: Strong claims, weak evidence:
Lilienfeld (2017): bit.ly/2vS28lg
And, just for kicks, two links discussing the massive over-representation of the left in, most particularly, the humanities:
Klein (2008): bit.ly/2fwdLrS
Langbert (2016): bit.ly/2cV53Q8
My links:
Patreon: / jordanbpeterson
Self Authoring: selfauthoring.com/
Jordan Peterson Website: jordanbpeterson.com/
Podcast: jordanbpeterson.com/podcast/
Reading List: jordanbpeterson.com/2017/03/gr...
Twitter: / jordanbpeterson
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KIDWITDEGUN CTR or share blue?
Ry P well at least you can admit it xD jk :)
I don't know whether this was intentional as a comment, or real. Please enlighten us.
A comment, of course. Otherwise it would just be gone.
Why isn't anyone concerned about the COMPLETE AND UTTER LACK OF WOMEN in the garbage-truck driving profession??!!!!
JP455
I am.
... because feminists only care about POWER and although garbage disposal might be necessary, it should be left to lowly males.
Someone watched thunderf00t
I want more women coal miners dammit! And I want it now! REEEEEEEEEEEE
Two smart men who put their livelihood at risk because they refused to be bullied.
Peterson isn't risking much by continuing this kind of non-PC content production.
he's making $55k a month on Patreon.
Yes, now he is. There wasn't a guaranteed payout; he was gambling his livelihood. He even said this several times in this particular video.
N3GAT0RY
I don't know if Damore is standing up to the bullies like how Peterson is. He's just...standing there.
It's like if the left said and believed that the sky is purple while the right says it's blue, and Damore steps put and sees the sky and says it's blue because of his observation, then the right applauds and the left fires him. Then Damore is hurt and baffled as to why the left, his former employer, fired him over his observations.
Bunny Hop He has started a class action against Gulag. He's not finished yet.
Best joke I’ve read in a long time 🤣
This is a guy who is so intelligent that he just coasted through the most elite universities. This is the person you want, not some stupid diversity officer who should be just a token position and never given any power.
Peda Strianc James will be fine, he will land on his feet and will do good things for humanity
@John Sinclair you see Google as if it was one person. It's not inconsistent to still like the company, but denounce the ideology of a subset of its employees and the fact that they are taking over
I think that is the usual problem--loyalty is promoted more over competency. For good or bad, and I think in most places that involves humans, the loyalty > competency problem is too common.
Watching the battle for the future of Western civilization is far more fascinating and relevant than anything else I can name. Videos like this have taken the place of movies and TV in my life.
JJ Vladimir Truth! Hollywood can't write stuff like this.
Ditto
Same
JJ Vladimir I'm in the same boat as you.
Amen to that!
If James writes a book about his experience, I suggest the title "The Google Archipelago."
It'll need more than two
Yeah, one Goolge is quite enough, thank you very much!
Search engine, google earth, chrome, gmail, android phones... you're already in it, and didn't even notice.
.lusty wench [nice] … and that dr p OFTEN refers to the gulag archipelago when discussing post-modernists/cultural marxists/sjw
Yes....and too bad Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wasn't alive to edit it.
Why are there no Eskimos in senior management at Google?
The Ultimate Diva im also fairly certain retarded people are under represented in their management and engineering positions, those ablist fucks
They won't have have a meeting with my and my company; can't even ask for a meeting as they block any attempts to do so. We just don't matter to them, presumably because we're not rich and powerful enough for any of their time.
jeice13, Are you sure about that? This entire incident indicates the contrary.
Hey! They are Inuit, not Eskimo! You fail your PC communications test.
It's "Inuit". The word "Eskimo" is a racial hatecrime. You know.
The fact that anyone called this memo violence and said they were scared to go into the office at Google sickens me. How did these people make it to adulthood? There's no way these people actually read it, they most likely had someone paraphrase it and completely misrepresent it
I think those people expected an environment where they could just do their jobs. They are upset because the people they share offices with have showed their true opinions of them as humans, that they are less than and less capable. If it sickens you that people dont like being disrespected I wonder how you live in the world without empathy?
@@saraeissa4954 How about empathy for a worker trying to reverse expressly sexist company policies against his kind?
I stopped halfway during the video and started to download it. This stuff is a PR nightmare, spread through Google's own platform.
I wouldn't be surprised if they take it down.
will you reupload it in case it gets taken down?
A HERO
Must get a copy of the entire catalog...
Niklas Schwartzerd I dont think they will take it down. Simply because they possibly don't have the manpower to notice this video outside of the algorithm. But even if they do notice, they surely know that taking it down would draw WAY more attention than what has already happened
I stopped halfway because Peterson talks too much.
Thanks for covering this topic Dr. Peterson. As an IT employee this is very worrying to me, usually google set's the rules and the rest of the companies follow shortly after. We can't let this slide and become a trend.
@ HIGHONCAFFEINE if I understand you correctly then you want to dominate women?
Hahaha what? I want freedom of expression. I would love to have more female coworkers but I don't agree to hire someone because of race or sex, I think i should be base on your competence.
I'm afraid that the trend of not being align with the ideas of your boss can get you fired. There is too much though policing going on now a days and basically no dialog.
Btw I do get the sarcasm of the question.
KIDWITDEGUN You clearly lack critical thinking in this case. Affirmative action for women in fields that don't interest them is not dominating women.... it's like forcing more men to be nurses... diversity for diversities sake is a terrible idea
I totally agree. Women should only walk around naked. I'm not sure about wipping them though. I have to think about that. Good brainstorming still.
KIDWITDEGUN, I find it interesting how you can align your perspective with one that ignores the intent and opinions being shared, and then form in your mind the idea that people have the need to dominate women.
That has not been stated ONCE, neither in the video nor in the comment you first responded to. Your perspective, combined with your profile name, reminds me of a metaphor Ben Shapiro likes to use when it comes to force. Namely, the use of the gun in the application of force.
I would highly suggest you think on the value of competence in the sense that competence should always trump race, sex and other topics. The only perspective, I think, High on Caffeine also shares is that Competence does not care who or what you are, only what you can do.
If that gets flipped, by adopting the idea that competence would be a tool to dominate minorities or a specific gender creates a society of chaos, not to mention extremely dysfunctional.
Better yet, and to put it simply: Competence is not racist or sexist. Hiring people because they are part of a minority or of a specific gender, is.
*edit: Added space to ease reading this.
I can't even begin to describe how insane and inappropriate it was that they fired him. I read the full document/memo, and there was nothing rude or discriminatory about it. I felt zero offense, nor should I have felt offense- his arguments were truly and honestly factual and obvious (to any one who does have their head up their a**). It's just plain disgusting how he has been treated. He should not be quiet, please keep spreading the word!
The memo was very well written, but I understand how people got offended by it, due to certain arguments being worded a certain way and although I wouldnt assume a person this smart wouldnt already use a more leftist-friendly vocabulary in the first place I think he could have worded a lot of ideas differently to avoid as much backlash (backlash not good if you’re trying to suggest a new idea). Probably still would have got fired realistically, cuz even as slightly offensive as it was, it was definitely not enough to fire someone over, so I dont doubt Google would have felt obliged to terminate him anyways.
Man, I wish you would get a good quality microphone.
My man Sonny!!! Such a pleasant surprise to see you here 😁
@Delmy Blahh What about today?
@Delmy Blahh in comparison to jordan peterson microphone which is also not really great but functions better than his i dont think so
Its ironic because it sounds like hes in a shallow echo chamber
Seems like a really nice guy, will be hard to paint as a witch with more exposure.
Remember what they did to that guy that landed the spacecraft on the asteroid, because he wore a shirt? Stand back and watch the shit fly. The left has no shame, that's why they have gay sex parades for children.
Capt. Cutler That shirt was made by a woman, and she stood by the guy and supported him. She got no coverage and her voice was ignored by the literal vampire pot bellied goblins in media.
The internet, and Alex Jones, has ruined the word "goblins" for me. lol
Media has already dug up a "sexist" play he was a part of at harvard or something to that extent
Not really. Nearly all the people who wanted to hang the guy never read what he wrote. Easily to lie about the guy when your partisans will gladly take your word and give you a felatio for free.
I can't think of a better situation for Damore than to have Jordan Peterson in his corner. Wow.
I think Google...either corporately or in their upper echelons, must be literally insane. They rejected the thoughtful, constructive advice [it was hardly criticism] of a brilliant, loyal employee and responded in a way that was a perfect and glaring illustration of what's wrong with their corporate culture and CONFIRMED EVERYTHING HE WAS TALKING ABOUT! If there was any rationale behind Damore's firing I cannot fathom what it would be. Google seems to have deliberately shot itself in the foot. What in the world is up with that?
David Anderson As a programmer I dreamt of working there, but at this point looks like a nightmare for somebody who is free thinking. :(
we're only getting one side of the story here tho.
There's no doubt whatsoever that they're insane. The higher-ups at Google are all varying versions of Gavin Belson from Silicon Valley. Just look at the CEO who responded to all of this; he looks like a goddamn skeleton, and if you just go through Google Image Search pictures of him you'll see him making all kinds of bizarre goofy expressions. He looks like a cult leader/cult member, which is what he is. This is what you find again and again with the people who are part of this modern West Coast tech cult: they are SERIOUSLY fucked up. Like clinically, physically and mentally ill. I think the most important thing Americans can do in the next decade is to rebuild our real-world face-to-face communities, and stop allowing these lunatics to monitor and control every moment of our lives. If we don't do that, they will drive us all mad.
They may have felt like they had no choice. Once the modern (social) media machine moves against you, you must essentially fall in line or face the consequences.
It's like Konami getting rid of Hideo Kojima. Getting rid of their top talent--for bullshit reasons--will be bad for the company's bottom line.
JAMES DAMORE QUALIFICATIONS =
degree from
MIT
PRINCETON
HARVARD
and that fucking diversity officer fired him
WTF !!!!!
"builds brains in his spare time" jeopardy champion gets fired by the "fascinated by shiny objects" wheel of fortune runner-up who bought the ceramic dalmatian for $103. … this is fine =\
Diversity from gender st ... let that seamer ...
See, that's exactly his problem; he isn't a Community College Graduate on Gender Studies.
James Damore is NOT an engineer - should never have got the job and then inflict his archaic views on biology - he has a phd in biology
.rajeev; i would be inclined to believe that the views of a recent phd in biology produced from mit, harvard n princeton is on the bleeding edge rather than swamped in the wake.
also, one doesn't need a degree in a specific engineering discipline to be an engineer.
with this, i reject your appeal to authority - and lack of - in favor of a more concrete argument or even one that enlightens us why he shouldn't have been hired.
I read CEO Susan Wojcicki's response to the memo, which gave no relevant reason for firing James Demore.
She felt hurt by his memo and speaks of unfounded bias. If you consider that a good reason for firing someone who expresses a well-documented opinion, you deserve some backlash, I think.
That is extremely disheartening. This kind of thinking needs to stop.
Maybe the press should review her credential and asking maybe reason of her getting her CEO position is due to bias towards hiring women regardless of their competency in the name of diversity and thats why she defended the practice fiercely
Giacom...
she and the CEO of Google said the same thing like demmore in different ceminary,which demmore tweeted about it,I saw it on Joe rogan podcast#1070 where Joe discuss about it with JP.
What a surprise. CEO fire guy pointing out she might got that job just because she have vagina.
The most interesting part is that leaders throughout history lead based on logic and not feelings. I don't know who the hell thought that bringing in ideologies is a good idea, and even more, to implement the damn thing.
If you're not cut to be a leader, move aside and contribute to society some other way. Unless your goal is to be the next Stalin, then it's really useful to be in such a high position. Im talking to you Susan.
Jordan, you made this kids day. He went out on a limb, I'd guess after being somewhat inspired by you, and ending up losing his job... but he got a personal chat with you and your seal of approval. That's worth a lot and I'm sure he'll be offered lots of jobs. Good job! Thanks for jumping on this so quickly.
paulcmnt Cuz who doesnt want to have to leave the US permanently and work in hiding just for a job right guys? ...guys?
That manifesto was pure Peterson. As soon as I saw some of the wording, I knew instantly that whoever wrote it was inspired by JBP
Yeah it was clear he was a JBP fan. At one point he wrote something like "the question isn't why aren't there more women in positions of power the question is why are there any men willing to do it at all." and that was a dead give away. He's young and doesn't quite have the nuance that JBP usually shows but the memo was reasonably well written and about as clear as you could expect. Such a shame that people don't understand averages and outliers. Too many people are thinking this is an insult to women as if the only skills you can possibly have as a human are the ones that help you succeed in the corporate world.
GAB have already offered him a job.
Dr. Peterson: "So how did you come across all this information?" James: "Dude, I worked for Google."
It wasn't an "anti-diversity" meme. If anything, it was PRO-diversity because he actually suggested allowing for diversity of THOUGHT. However, when Marxism is the predominant ideology of a people, diversity of thought is the enemy.
Well said.
Diversity of thought is always an enemy. Memes fight and compete with each other just like genes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memetics
PrivateAttorney Dumb ducks who now blame Marxism for everything.
If you read the Manifesto, he's pro-diversity in racial and gender aspects as well. The problem is that he suggested thinking about concrete solutions that would address all the causes of disparity, rather than trite, glad-handing, unproven solutions that cause more harm than good and are better for making those who implement them feel better than actually helping people.
Now the jews at Google expect us to believe that one of their employees can remain "anyonymous" simply by not showing his face.
I actually wanted to some day work for Google and that's what I've been working towards, I'm starting to have second thoughts now..
thinking is not allowed
On the bright side the same skills you need to eork there can help find many other jobs
Google
Respect -1
Go for it ... and then do what he did to raise the issue even more. There are also people saying that most other Google employees agree with the memo, so you probably wouldnt be alone. In any case ... suing Google should be profitable, if you ever get fired for "having an opinion".
So, you know that Google altered internet search results to cover for Hillary Clinton and you still want to work there?? This is the problem with the world - people have no fucking ethics.
Two men who were attacked for standing up for the truth on one screen. Pay attention, people.
Paul Hamilton Stereo vision Nightmare for Goolag! Goolag Glass!
I only started watching Dr Peterson's videos a few weeks ago, and I only read this Google memo last week. I find it sickening that either of these men has been attacked for their positions. This stuff should be raising some serious red flags for the complacent in Western society.
Abridged version ended at 21:36
Thanks m8 👌
thank you much
ty
Cheers mate.
Oliver Síochána - Either. Both. Take your pick.
Goddamnit Google - What went Wrong? Don't be Evil - that was your motto. What happened?
MajesticDemonLord neo Marxism infestation happened.
MajesticDemonLord - ... don't be evil... that's our domain.
They changed it to "Do the right thing"
Honestly, Google's conduct is what you would expect from a company with such a PR sh*tstorm at hand. What's much more concerning is that the press and the public sphere are dominated by people who have gone out of their way to misrepresent and smear the guy, basically forcing the company's hand in the current climate. They made this completely harmless guy sound like he's RooshV. The level of dishonesty (or sloppiness) is just breathtaking.
Evil is subjective depending on who you ask.
Imagine being fired for "perpetuating gender stereotypes".
I think I'd have broken down in laughter. He really needs to sue.
how can I donate to this guy?
All hail Jordan of house Peterson, first of his name, professor of frogs, cleaner of rooms, lord of the dominance hierarchy, slayer of buckos, and protector of the memes......roughly speaking
Slayer of dragons and Rescuer of fathers from the underworld
'Do you remember our house words?'
'It's No Joke Man'
This comment needs so many more likes. I lol'd so hard.
Roburii Jesus Christ...
Has resurrected.
Roburii YES!!!!
1st words of the "anti-diversity" memo: "I value diversity".
DeForrest Delpech he said he values true diversity, not diversity based on race. Rather diversity of ideas, thoughts, morals, etc.
This genuflection at the outset did not do him any good!
Legacy Media does not value honesty.
I don't think anybody intelligent wants "diversity of morals" as morals are an attempt at adhering to natural law.
DeForrest Delpech I think you have misunderstood. He advocates diversity of thought and has a problem with discrimination based on gender (sexism) and skin color (racism).
His smile whenever Peterson acknowledges his points... reminds you about those times when your teacher at school talked about you in a positive way.
Dr. Peterson supported this smart young bucko in such a way that warmed my father saving soul. I'm cleaning my room and deleting chrome!
that doesn't mean that Microsoft or Mozilla is any better morally. Clearly Google has lefty issues, that were just exposed. Who knows how many issues in Microsoft closet? I bet a LOT more than at Google closet.
Firefox is the way to go! It also respects your privacy much more than Google does.
I don't think Jordan need's to tell this guy not to apologise, I would guess he is much more 'red pilled' than he lets on. This guy is going to end up reaping huge rewards from this long run. He needs to quadruple down and go for the jugular and sue Google, CNN and whenever else he has the right to, and really push this while he is a hot topic.
Aaron Shaw wesearchr collects donation for his lawsuit as we speak
Salon would be on my list. They are writing hit piece after hit piece.
YES. THE TIME FOR APOLOGIZING IS OVER.
I do feel like we've reached a tipping point where some female journalists basically think they can construct whatever reality they like with impunity. What has started out as a righteous crusade for justice (feminism) has mutated into something hectoring, bullying, high on its own power and utterly selfish. It reminds me a little of the road that leads from the horrors of the Holocaust to AIPAC.
Yeah, you should never apologize when you have done nothing wrong.
Naive but intelligent honest and direct, I really liked this guy
I still like him.
10/10 would hire to code
He might be dorky, but I don't think that he is that naive. He is not showing his true power level yet. This story unfolding on the greater scale will be interesting to observe and learn from.
Connor Rothbard Not naive, but careful. It's important when discussing things to remain grounded in the middle and seek a neutral, almost irrefutable stance.
I need your profile pic amongst my kek collection
Dr. Peterson: "So how did you come across all this information?" James: "Dude, I worked for Google."
James Damore now knows he can do any-frikkin'-thing he wants to do in life. This certainty comes from being fully and completely endorsed by one of his intellectual hero's. It's a powerful thing, make no mistake. JBP did a great thing in this interview.
I think it's partly a "fuck you Google" on both Damore's and Peterson's part, considering how Peterson's Google accounts got shut down temporarily recently.
I was an investor at Google, and sold all my shares when they fired him.
This guy was just way too smart without the social awareness to know just how viciously anti-science society has become about these issues. If only there were more courageous, brilliantly unbiased people like this in the world.
I'm only 12 minutes in so far and I'm already so disgusted at google for this that I'm looking for alternative search engines. I do not want to support this type of culture from any company.
DuckDuckGo is a crisp little competitor.
+JossWainwright
Au contraire Joss. In fact you're the clever duck here, as I didn't even make the connection till I read your comment and even then I had to undergo a period of blank faced befuddlement.
A halfwits grin took over my face as I finally registered what your comment was pointing at.
+JossWainwright
Engaging in some "Original HoiSIN" I take it?
Who is the voice of god character that chimes in??
you'll have to stop watching youtube bro
Count me among your biggest supporters, James. My brother is also a H alum working at Google. Watching this interview, I can't help but be reminded of him -- your mannerisms, your speech, even your room reminds me of him. It breaks my heart to imagine him in your situation, being lied about, castigated for things you have never said or written or done. You, too, are my brother now. I intend to be your staunchest defender.
Danielle Brown should be fired. She ruins every company she works at.
looks like intel mostly
CN073 she and many other have ruined Intel with the EXACT diversity and inclusion nonsense. I'm glad she left, although her replacement is worse in many ways......
i need to figure out a meaningless job title that'll get me paid big bucks for being a total failure
Plenty of jobs in the public sector that would fit that bill Jim.
Well at least now he can focus his time into improving Pied Piper's algorithm.
LOL Google is turning more into Hooli every day.
Gavin: Have I just surrounded myself with sycophants, who are just telling me whatever I want to hear, regardless of the truth?
Denpok: (Pause) No.
Ronnie Lavigne Haha haha finally someone else noticed it.
Thank you, JBP, for this resource pool! This issue is so much larger than I ever would've expected.
Excellent to see Jordan Peterson not only bucking up James Damore, but also giving a wonderfully articulate talk about all these issues.
To the anonymous google guy in the vid- I'm sure glad google never got round to developing voice recognition for their devices.
He should honestly stand with his colleague in solidarity. It'll get harder for Google to fire them all if more stand up to them.
There is a good chance his coworkers will recognize his voice.
I was actually pretty worried about that for him. On the other hand, that guy seems to be a little better at articulating the problems at hand, so maybe it wouldn't be bad for him to step out.
The anonymous google guy sounds like Edward Snowden.
Jack Spedeeky he's not anonymous lol
"Actually, I'm not sorry. I'm really pleased" Also pleased here. Liberal non-leftist female listener. Pleased because it is happening. Thanks, James. Toronto, Mountain View, where next? I want a "Goolag" t shirt.
I want that shirt too.
I am also a liberal non leftist female listener.. cleaning my room and sorting myself out.. and I too say thanks.. from 'nottoofarfromtoronto, Ontario, Canada. On another note.. maybe our names are part of the reason Peterson thinks his listeners are 'mostly male' :D
Pat Hafe same here :D
I want a Gulag shirt too, that thumbnail is genius and it cracks me up haha.
Here found one:
teespring.com/goolag-1586#pid=369&cid=6512&sid=front
We need to support free speech - well done james
I'm really glad you made this video. I think you did a good job of breaking down what happened piece by piece.
24:40: "It's not that easy for the oponents of truth to have a battle with truth."
I don't know professor, these last decades they are doing pretty well in places where it matters: Academia, media, public discussion and politics. And now corporations. It's very worrying that the biggest search engine has fully embrased this nonsense.
Corporations and government are working to get internet under control aswell, and these oponents of truth have a pretty strong grip on both. I am not very optimistic.
The Lizardking postmodernism is eating its self. It will fail, the question is how much damage will it do before it fails.
I'm optimistic because it is all out in the open. The evidence is the evidence. Look how many people know this wasn't an "anti diversity rant" despite the lies in media coverage.
Speaking in the long run, I don't think it's possible for truth deniers to win out. Granted, it is difficult to say how our society will be affected by our current technological landscape, but history would suggest that in the long view we progress toward truth, not away from it.
They aren't battling truth, they're subverting truth.
me darby
Agreed. The reactions to the medias narrotive are incouraging. But I think this is largely due to the internet. Internet must seem the final frontier to the post modernist. I hope it is to big to control. But total control might not be necesarry. Pushing views underground and away from most people could be enough when they control schools and media.
Dr Jordan, I have just read 2 articles, in the daily mail and business insider, that claim that this video was 'quickly deleted after being published and no longer exists'...?
Sawsan Al Bahar maybe that is what they wish
It was quickly deleted or made private after being published, so they're right about that. I'm guessing that was Jordan Peterson's decision. It's public now though.
Sawsan Al Bahar there was an error with the original upload "audio off sync" so it was reuploaded
Lost Mahou Greg Chow thanks for clarifying that. I doubt they'll edit or update their articles. One of them still has a link that doesn't work but my guess is people will find this video themselves despite the misinformation.
Dr. Peterson: "So how did you come across all this information?" James: "Dude, I worked for Google."
I have so much time for this guy. Great podcast, fantastic guest. All support to him. He is 100% correct
Amazing the amount of time and effort put into providing loads of references and additional reading. At a time when apparently everyone is an expert at “science” and “facts” almost nobody provides reference to the science and facts. This is great, thanks!!!
First Molyneux, and now Dr. Peterson, the mainstream media is losing.
I don't see how they can recover from their vestigial state.
Someone needs to build a unbiased version of RUclips or patreon. I'm hoping it will have huge support seeing the amount of people who are anti sjw
Deleted Chrome, Google Map and Google app from my phone, and downloaded Brave and DuckDuckGo. Soon will delete my gmail account. I wish there was an alternative to RUclips.
Vimeo?
Have fun trying to delete your gmail.
Just got Brave and duckduckgo, protonmail. Livin life.
Vidme
Shitty Fattits. Actually Dr. Peterson's Google's account ( mails, calendar, Drive etc.). So there you have it, current day censorship.
Jordan, I love how you approached this. It was a kind of therapy session in that you built up the client's sense of ability (well justified in this case) and gently guided him when he seemed overwhelmed, yet gave him space to state his point and listened to him when he spoke.
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Join the duck side!
Trump 2020 yes
bitchute
Romneys a hypocrite. He denounced Trump during the election saying shit like "if I'd know how racist trump was I wouldnt never accepted his blessing in the past". Two years later Trumps become president and Romney is thanking Trump for recognizing him as he campaigns in alabama i believe. Romney is spineless.
Trump 2020 I already do.
Crimethink doubleplusungood!
Slappy scientific truths....to the memory hole!
Unperson in 3... 2... 1...
We are the dead.
This gave me the giggles
The fact that he isn't necessarily 'well spoken' at least in this interview, to me shows even more bravery. Its very easy to take a hard stand when you've been doing it all your life through talks ect.. But James seems like a normal guy (exceptionally talented in certain regards, but on this topic normal). The fact that he stepped outside of comfort and was curious enough, and didn't backtrack and apologize is very inspiring.
I personally appreciate his honest against the powers that be.
Thanks for doing this interview Dr. Peterson. As someone who lives and works in Silicon Valley (I also worked at Google) and has been subject to some of these issues in a not so positive way, I really appreciate what you've done here and how you've helped shed light on James' memo. I hope that as a society we can better come together to have an open conversation on these issues and find a better path to making diversity more inclusive and more based on our viewpoints, skills and experience as opposed to race and gender. I'm also a huge fan of your work and podcasts. Thanks for being simply 'you' ;)
Jordan/Dr Peterson,
This was a great discussion. I am an aerospace engineer that recently retired after 30 years partially because of the workplace culture discussed here. Your work has made me feel much more solid about many of my experiences and decisions.
Thank you sir!
John
G E T S O R T E D
The Modern Hermeticist love your content man.
Thanks... I should mention that my posts have no bearing on the quality of my content.
G E T S T O N E D
D E E G O R S T T
Done!
*I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR IF HIS EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT STATED 'PERPETUATING STEREOTYPES' IS A FIRING OFFENSE.*
I would too as that would mean everyone is eligible to be fired at any moment.
I would have thought that perpetuating gender stereotypes would be a condition of employment at Gulag. Isn't the diversity push and identity politics all about stereotyping? White privilege and male privilege being cases in point.
"Right to work" states, companies can fire employees for no reason. Its terrifying
His courage is rare in the work force. What ever employer picked this guy up hit a gold mine.
I was waiting for this! Thank you so much for talking about this topic
who the hell is this third dude that keeps popping in?
Jake Malinowski God
I think it's the anonymous guy who put them in contact.
Another Google employee who wants to remain anonymous.
Jake Malinowski read the description!
@jakep1979 good point, thanks
"Sorry, not sorry"
-Jordan B. Peterson, 2017
Thanks so much Peterson for posting these links, it's a lot easier than searching for it all over the web.
Thank you, Professor, for this amazing interview; it has been most enlightening.
It's sad that it takes a 51-minute video to explain the manifesto fairly, but only a headline or 140 character tweet to "destroy" his arguments. It's interesting that the media is now attempting to smear that James is only talking to the "al-right". That might be fair to say about Molyneux who's views I feel are questionable but to label Jordan Peterson as right-wing is ludicrous.
it's depressing, isn't it?
Anyone who is not slobbering over the advancement of women and/or people of color at every moment of every day is now in danger of being called Alt Right. We live in Extremist Times.
It's just one more example of how MSM lies through their teeth
& how large corporations are over-run by psychopaths & hypocritical satanists who think they can commit criminal acts in the name of "progressive" yet clearly libel & discriminatory actions
The left-wing press have refused to speak to him.
The LGBTQIPXYZ BS is just a Zionatzi smokescreen contrived by the same ethnographic immoral cesspit
Having Jordan review my paper would make me anxious. He seemed to treat James like a graduate student defending his thesis.
As a protective, Motherly type person, I'm touched and relieved that Dr Peterson is so supportive of James Demore. He needed someone to have his back right at the moment.
It's such a good feeling to listen to people that know what they're talking about, thanks.
James is #ourguy He is on the #right side of history. Bless your courage
I keep getting Un-Subscribed from your Channel Dr. Peterson. This is starting to concern me. The notifications are missing and I fear nefarious actions are being taken against you or even me.
Best interview with this gentleman! Kudos Jordan! Also appreciate the references and assessment of the "memo". Thanks.
Good to see your content again, Doc.
Why can't this be on trending instead of some stupid Jimmy Fallon skit
Shalashaska 994 Because we're in the midst of a very vapid and shallow culture. We're not centred around a strong value structure that allows us as a collective to tackle problems like this, everyone is off on their own individual vice adventures and unaware of the troubles within their community and country.
Todd Whelan Oh I dunno about that. I don't think it's that there's no collective against that type of thinking, it's more than so many people think it's perfectly normal to believe stuff like "there's no biological difference between men and women"
Shalashaska 994 like/subscribe/share and ask others to do the same. Make it so.
It is now trending
Bonald Bonson is it really trending??? u sure?
I think that it's pretty interesting that this video did not appear in my subscriptions page, and I only found it after manually going to Jordan's channel to finish the last lecture he uploaded.
The list with references is simply brilliant, thanks
Woah! THANK YOU for the reinforcing studies in the notes!!...I was (reasonably) debating a squad of people that were completely projecting false claims into Damore's statement... They kept screaming "stereotype" and "Flawed/biased studies"... They weren't actually addressing the words even if you copy-pasted... I just wanted to flood them with research data and be done with it but I gave up once I realized they were insane and it would probably not be worth the energy-investment to gather specific studies to buffer the ones he included that the "anti-diversity" accusers were criticizing.
#gulaggate
#googlegulag
#googlag
Uhm, #googulag
#goolaggate
Arthur Nares how about goolge?
Hes a humble man, courageous and optimistic. Hope he has wisdom too. Good luck to James
Hello Mr Peterson, love your work, it's really nice to hear a rational voice in this mad world :). Please keep up the good work.
Thanks Jordan for all the scientific reference materials.
I just knew Damore was watching Peterson´s videos when this story came up and I read the manifesto. Thank you professor, keep up the good work!
If you decide to think deeply and independently and deal in subtlety, there isn't a razor's edge for you to stand on. The political ideologues will eat us alive. James, if you read this, you have my thanks.
Thanks for doing this. Both of you.
How can your heart not go out to young Mr. Damore?
This is a typical tech-nerd who graduated from a top-level university. These guys are the least sexist beings on the planet you could possibly imagine.
+TheModula Absolutely BUT he still has male genitals so the Diversity Orificer says "cut his balls off NOW!! " I hope James gets some justice with his lawsuit against The Goolagians as this sort of insanity is rampant these days...
TheModula Which makes him so much more appealing ❤️🤓
That is so true. As a lower-level tech-nerd, honestly I can say it's hardly possible to imagine a less sexist environment than most IT companies in my experience. The way the media has misreported this guy's leaked memo is unbelievable. Google's treatment of him is bizarre.
Well maybe on the working floor looking at how they treat eachother (male/ female), but not per se in valueing each work performance.
They found on Github and other code sharing/ code project sites that putting female in your account information let to less positive reviews then when they used exactly the same code solution and putting male into the account information. Apparently people still unconciously value male code more then female.
So there absolutely is a bias going on there.
@Elise That's very sad to hear. Do you have a link to this research?
Great video. The reporting on this as a whole was absolutely terrible so great to get some actual thoughts of his out there.
Thank you both James and Jordon for sharing you thoughts that are educational and inspiring to another guy who also curious on how our society works and wanting to improve it in detail after careful consideration and discussion. Good luck to both of you in coming days and may the love of God be on your shoulders.
The thumbnail is absolute gold Jordan. I love it!
Lovely talk. This is Dr. Peterson initiating an apprentice. Scouring his work with eyes that scan deeper than his padawan; critiquing, encouraging, and training. This man went out on a limb...took a jump...lost his job/livliehood...and found a tremendous ally. His notoriety now will hopefully ensure himself a safety net of sorts in the right neighborhoods. We should all go out on such a limb. Good job brother! Speak the truth!
Dr Peterson, the Yeti USB mic you use for audio has its capsules on the front and back side respectively, I noticed in a picture you point the capsule's top at you. Your audio quality will improve instantly if you set it in the 'cardioid' pattern and have the front of the capsule aimed at you and not the top of the capsule. (mic on vertical position as opposed to tilted horizontally.)
Thank you Jordon for validating James's reasoning in the memo he wrote. I'm sure he is taking comfort in your council and support.
Thank you, Dr. Peterson, for retracting your apology at the end. There is no way in which you should be sorry for creating the framework in which James could so eloquently establish his facts in this matter. He has laid out the arguments almost exactly as you would have, it was obvious on my first read of his memo that you were at least a minor influence on his choices of structure.
Very, very well done interview. Keep up the good work.
Most awkward dude, seems like a good kid.
He’s an intp
Switch to DuckDuckGo. It takes a few seconds. Compare Google vs DuckDuckGo searchs for 'American Inventors' for your first surprise.
Holy shit!
Forgive me, but I can't see any major difference. Care to explain?
Edit: I see it now. African-Americans are being over-represented by Google.
Here's a link that explains Google's bias.
www.unz.com/isteve/great-moments-in-google-american-inventors/
But DuckDuckGo does the same thing...
its virtually the same list.
Which browser would you recommend pairing DuckDuckGo with?
This was a fascinating listen. Thank you for taking the time. I feel like there is a very high correlation with stress and the huge increase in autoimmune disease in women and a number of these points seem to support my personal theory.
Jordan, thanks so much for the citations. I hope you can make a website or something of the sort dealing entirely with the scientific literature on such issues.
Thank you for all the documents about the gender differences. I've been wanting to read them for a very long time!
It's a tiny sample of what exists. I'll make a video, soon enough....
7:45 That guy that starts talking without introduction with a weird audio effectfreaked me out, almost sounds like Google highjacked the conversation to add a point. lol
That description is a resource goldmine for the lazy like me. Thank you, sir.
James Damore is a hero for men, truth, and societal fairness! How wonderful and brave for him to point to fact in the face of the hypocrisy of identity politics gone wild. We need more people to stand for truth, if we will ever get past the bias agains men, which has become so pervasive in politics and society. It's okay that men have certain biological advantages in areas of science and engineering. We should embrace this as a society, and celebrate the positive qualities of masculinity!