Guilliman : introduces aeldari allies Cawl : quickly hides his necron allies by folding the tesseract onto itself Imperial Guard wielding suspiciously potent laspulse rifle with attached railbayonet : approves of these new arrangements, in the name of the greater good.
Im so so sooo mad Imperial guards are such shit. Really, really good weapons vs humans.....sucks against everything, NO *LITERALLY * everything else, while not set on "high".
Gilliman picks up the diplomat by the back of her shirt, and wiggles her at the assembled. "No shooty shoot, stab jabby, or such actions. Good xeno, snu snu, not bad xeno." And the meeting is over.
if history has taught us anything it's you can't trust eldar, it might start out nice and civil but one day your gonna come home and find some devious eldar beating your cat off with sandpaper in front of the entire population of his applauding and cheering craft world.
@@drgonzo305 but they have more than enough problems with Slaanesh and are not a threat to the might of the imperium and there technology is superior and it’s only a certain sect of the race who I think can be trusted but sure be careful as he seems to be doing
Gulliman is right tho, if Imperium wants, they can ruined Aeldari, if a few Valhallan Regiments can fight Aeldari forces from craft world Biel-tan to a stalemate, if even Imperium itself almost manage to destroy an Aeldari Craftworld with only sector wide mustering( only saved when chad prince Uriel came and talk to imperial forces that the raid against imperial shipments are being conducted by dark aeldar and not them) Than The Imperium are indeed capable to ruin Aeldari races and their remaining craftworlds in real space ( aside from dark eldar in commoragh)
He just has to say that he walked into the Throne room surrounded by Custodes talked with his father and is currently using the Emperors sword. Just tell them that it's all part of the Emperors plan and if they don't believe him they can go to the Emperor themselves.
That could cause a lot of different problems because then every dickhead who thinks that they're important enough would want a personal one on one with big E.
If a Primarch (and Lord Commander of the Imperium) rolls up and says "we're working with the Eldar now", the next words out of your mouth better be "yes m'lord"
Custodes are in a weird position. Guilliman is an extension of the Emperor and the closest thing they have to the actual Emperor after 10K years of guarding a corpse. But he's also a Primarch, the same group that almost destroyed everything the Emperor created.
i think the custodes are totally raedy to fight guilliman if they see it as necessary, i dont think they percieve him as an extension of the emperor, hes part of humanity so he is an ally but they serve only the emperor and would not hesitate to fight annyone else
@@jrr7031 That sounds accurate, the only exception being the Gray Knights of course. Not sure if that's the rule anymore though. In Dark Imperium, a bunch of Primaris showed up along with that weird chapter whose name I forget.
@@maxstr yea i thought it was cuz all the literal chaos they caused. Of course Grey knights.....I mean youre supposed to be mind wiped if you even see them anyway ....
I honestly would love for relations with the Craftworld Aeldari and the Imperium to warm up. I think a non-aggression pact would, if nothing else, help both factions focus their resources towards fighting more existential threats such as the Ruinous Powers, the Nids and the Orks.
@Rill It's always possible, but they could just start slipping away again on their craftworlds. And the second they are allowed to properly settle even let's say a dozen Maiden Worlds - a dozen fully populated Maiden Worlds would represent probably a 10-100 fold increase in the total number of eldar, and a similar increase in the amount of eldar industry available. It would be a very asymmetric fight and the Imperium would struggle to win it unless they formed and dedicated several Legiones Astartes (not chapters but legions) to just that one task.
A three way non aggression pact. Imperium,eldar and Tau would bring stability across multiple fronts. Yeah the usual back stabbing and such but Guilleman may see the stability of others plus his mind set on governing
@@BC-vg3zfIf you get the more reasonable necron on board then Warhammer 40k would be more like warhammer fantasy old world where most races are largely at peace
To me it feels like a "bouth"-situation. Firstly, he was frozen in time, unchanged and so it feels reasonable to think, that Guilliman wants to return to some of the more open traditions from his own time. On the other hand, I still considder him to much of a tactician, to act on nostalgia alone. Any secret will come out one day. In handing it out on your own terms, it can not blow up in your face, when you have other stuff to deal with. Not to mention, that now the ones closest to him, even under arms, now konw. So they might not like it, they might strongly oppose it, but every passing day, that ends without a desaster, there is one more day, where they were knowingly allies with the Aeldari and nothing bad happened. The protocol is out there, so no one can say "Mimimi, he did not tell, but I found out, so tada!", he can - from that point on - say "I tould you, I did not keep it a secret, so you bringing it up now is just you trying to open up a can of drama!" with the backup of everyone who was told having to admitt, that well, he or she might not have liked it, but it did no harm.
Jokes aside, I think Yvraine and the emergence of Ynnead may have had a role in Guilliman wanting to work with the Eldar. I know that Yvraine got many of the different Eldar to join her, even some Dark Eldar. I am sure Vect is watching very closely. I would be interested to what Cawl thought of Guilliman's decision.
I mean if he's still intent on wiping all Xenos out so that humanity is completely dominant in the galaxy, the whole "All Eldar need to die for Ynnead to come back, who then kills Slaanesh and then revives the Eldar" stuff sounds pretty handy, especially if someone were to cut Ynnead off from reviving the Eldar right after killing Slaanesh. One entire really strong race less to worry about, one Chaos God gone and if the other Eldar gods could be killed, surely so can Ynnead somehow. Then again, I wouldn't see such a plot to be up Guilliman's alley, more like something Alpharius Omegon would do, huh?
Let's be real. This is very dangerous to both races. They hate each other from very long history, but they need each other to survive. The Imperium needs Eldar knowledge and remaining webway and the Eldar need humanities might and tenacity. This is dangerous but absolutely a move of extreme need. They can't make any moves together when only a handful of people know of the alliance, but now the high command knows and things can happen. Will there be backlash? Yes for everyone involved, Imperium, Eldar and everyone caught in between but it still needs to be done. The trick will be in controlling that backlash and directing it into something useful.
This is after Guilliman met with the Big E, and Custodes were present at the announcement, so I completely agree this is an all-in decision angling to webway tech that could either cap or repair the Terran portal. Aside from the larger strategic objective for protected Imperial webway travel, that one act on Terra could reignite a golden age of the Imperium with a living Emperor at it's head... so that's not going to happen.
I dont remember in which novel but one of the aeldeari farseer said to Guilliman that the destiny of both race is connected, human fail and aeldeari will fall, if human succedee, the aeldeari will survive, so i assume there will be this “connection” from now on..
@Ben ren is it? Surely it’s bad writing to just keep an extremely stale setting that doesn’t move at all? Maybe if RG didn’t return you could have your stagnant and collapsing empire that further damages itself due to its xenophobic attitude (which is also a pro diversity message surely?) With RG at the helm using his demigod brain he should be able to see the way things are going, there will need to be an alliance now Chaos has cut the galaxy in half with that storm or whatever, tyranids getting ever closer (the current incursions are just a tiny bit of the hive apparently) and the necrons doing their thing. How they handle the writing is a better thing to be worried about but the setting does need to move forward and making things less one dimensional will also be nice
Guilliman know that he is the more powerful (political and military) person in the imperium at this moment,and eldar and humans have one thing alike and that is the fact that they want to survive, alliances is the best decision they have now
He barely just got resurrected for what, a millenia? While the rot of war, corruption, the inquisition, the ecclisiarchy, and the forces of xenos and chaos run free and rampant. He needs all the wins and help that he can get.
I think Guilliman only works with Yvraine and the Ynnari on behalf of Eldrad, since he probably is the only Eldar Guilliman actually trusts (slightly). I do not think Guilliman would ever have faith in Yvraine or the Eldar as a whole, save that they are fickle and deceptive. Eldrad is the exception due to his focus on stopping the Ruinous Powers above screwing over humanity as most Eldar would do.
The Inquisition can neither confirm nor deny that Guilliman gave Yvraine a copy of "Love can Bloom" signed by Liivi himself as a token of appreciation.
I view his reveal as a three-fold strategy. It is to impress upon them the seriousness of the situation, to be up-front with them about how far he feels they have to go and to make them all complicit with him - which heads off at least the most obvious avenues of opposition, also that many of them have had at least neutral dealings with certain Aeldari factions. This adds levels of diplomatic nuance.
Didn't Eldrad warn Guilliman of Horus rebellion? There might be some regret over having dismissed him back then, which has made him more receptive to Aeldari warnings and prophecies in the 41st Millenium. And there's certainly been some farseer behind revealing the alliance, who predicted that this led to a desirable future. (Which also leans some more weight to Guilliman subtly warning the Eldar in his speech not to trick him).
I believe it was Ferrus Manus. During an assault in the desert. Where his sons bionics were being psychically controlled by a conclave of eldar farseers/warlocks. During the fighting Ferrus Manus falls through the sand into a cave network below. Where he has a clash with a greater deamon, wins, and then has an audience with Eldrad. Eldrad warns him of the coming heresy, but Ferus refuses to even consider his claims since he is a filthy alien. And a tricksy Eldar alien no less. This goes to explain why Fulgrim got the jump on him, and then also why he was so incredibly pissed of and suicided himself in the end. He was extra pissed off because he was warned!
It may be that Guilliman is trying to keep control over how people will see his consorting with Aeldari. It's much better optically for Guilliman to reveal this info himself then it would be if it somehow leaks out. The reaction is always going to be bad because of the nature of how the Imperium view Xenos, but it would be much worse politically if the info leaks and then Guilliman has to explain himself vs Guilliman reveals this info and assures that he will not be manipulated while reinforcing the strength of the Imperium.
That's actually exactly the move someone as politically adept as Papa Smurf would make. It's not some nasty surprise that comes out leading to the idea he is being manipulated by the Eldar as the so often do while remaining in the shadows. This says "here they are. I'm in charge".
Memes of guiliman sleeping with yvraine aside, it's simple. The imperium is simply spread too thin and they need to suck up their pride and ask for help
I imagine some of his key motivations were as follows: 1) An empire devoid of The Emperor's ideals was his in name only. Restoring The Emperor's virtues to the emperium was essential to saving it from itself --and just as important as saving it from external invaders. 2) By openly showing his collaboration with the Aeldari, with ranking members of multiple emperial factions present, he also makes makes the statement of being confident he can handle whatever dissent they might throw at him. A clear "I'm confident enough in my power to commit 'heresy' in front of you. Are you *really* confident enough in yours to think I am not ready to take you down if you oppose me?" 3) In this gambit, he also creates a sort of prisoners dilemma and a collective action problem. Basically, if all the factions present banded together and retaliated against Gulliman, they could almost certainly take him down. But if only one or two did, Gulliman would easily crush them. Further, even remaining silent/hesitant to "pick a side" would simply make them heretics by association with the rest of the emperium. So it makes perfect sense, actually, that they would be stunned into collective inaction in the immediate term, and in the short term thereafter would be far too afraid of Gulliman crushing them if they moved against him individually, or began trying to form an alliance against him, and in the long run, they would have to accept that their "silence" for so long would be seen as nothing but collaboration to the rest of the empire. So their most likely chance of survival, was by keeping the secret, and if not truly supporting Gulliman, staying as far away from 'opposing' him as possible. Really brilliant move on Gulliman's part.
Yeah you noted soemthing I’m not seeing a lot say, the fact that aeldari survived this encounter made them all guilty of heresy for collaborating with filthy xenos. To even report this to the Ordo Xenos for official sanction would require these powerful men to say “yes and after the xenos came in I totally sat there and did nothing about it!”
I believe the secret of Guilliman taking advice from a Xeno is less about it happening, but more about the subject and frequency. In Godblight, he was using the advice from the Aeldari on events within the warp/immaterium to manipulate or maximize the probability of certain future events occuring. For example, it was the Aeldari's advice that lead Guilliman to let frater Mathieu to leave First Landing on Iax. That intersection of Xenos, the warp, and religion have plenty of things that G would want to keep under wraps.
Honestly memes of big tiddy eldar girlfriends aside Gulliman is a terrifying dude. He can easily make the rational and impossible decision to sacrifice a world to deny the traitors from taking another more valuable world. I can easily see Gulliman using the Eldar to his advantage and then when all his enemies are destroyed and their use is spent, pull a Mount Ararat and completely genocide them into extinction.
I'm not exactly a Guilliman fan, but I think he catches a bad rep and is underestimated a lot. Sure he isn't the best fighter but his other logical and logistical abilities are terrifying. He is all about the bigger picture, something pretty unique among the Primarchs. Very much his fathers son in that aspect. Saying that the Emperor didn't have that much of a problem with the Eldar, being pen-pals of a sort with Eldrad so I think Gman is taking a better with them than against them appraoch.
@@rankcolour8780 The other Primarchs are good at fighting and leading but leading Society especially one that literally questioned a Primarch openly to his face and view him as a issue to their schemes? I would not want to imagine the Lion or Russ being the first one to find this mess.
@@Subject_Keter Their solution would no doubt be a much more fatal and bloody mess. Both of them were perhaps the Emperors most reliable weapons and while they are both genius level intelligences they are weapons of utter destruction 1st and foremost. Again not to belittle Gmans powers at war, but they are all built differently and in a way Gman - the less terrifying warrior- is far more terrifying in the 40k setting for his ability to outplay everyone and everything without cutting everyone's head off.
So, general knowledge of the Great Enemy was always very limited, even among Astartes Chapters, and the GKs have made mincemeat out of those who know a little too much. Now the Big G is making a general announcement among fleet command about Chaos being real and their primary goal, which is why they're all having tea with the Not-so-Great Enemy. Guilliman and the Emperor already met, so the Custodes aren't reacting because it's their marching orders from the absolute top. That alone should be enough to cow the senior members of any branch of the Imperium, and those who aren't cowed are Chaos-loving traitors to humanity that should be purged. Seems simple enough.
There’s a reason the first guard their secrets. Azrael knew a greater demon’s true name… lol i’d say the GK aint the only ones knowledgeable about the ruinous powers
I think the races of the galaxy figuring out how to get along would be a nice theme. They've got plenty of battles to fight to save the galaxy. They don't need to be wasting tume murdering each other. It would also make them feel less stupid because you think someone would realize that they would need to suck it up and stand together before chaos, the nids, or the orks krump the galaxy.
This is Guilleman playing all sides at once. Showing the Aeldari how much the Imperium hates them, and to warn them off of playing games. Showing he does not bow to the inquisition or ministorum but at the same time showing he respects them enough to not lie to them. It is probably the most delicate moment in his regency so far, and arguably the most important for the overall future of the imperium and Guilleman's heroic effort to turn back the clock to an Imperium that knew and believed in science.
Given the captured Aeldari goddess in Nurgles garden could be the key to the physical resurrection of The Emperor, there are common interests between The Imperium of Man and the Aeldari. Namely the defeat of Chaos. Necrons. Tyranids.
I say this again and again every time this topic comes up so I won't begrudge anyone for calling me unoriginal but yet again, I repeat, the buck begins and ends with the Emperor. In this new age in 40k the Emperor has been more active than he's ever been since the time he was placed on that throne. I have no doubt whatsoever that he is keeping an eye on everything that's going on, certainly (after the Horus Heresy) everything that's going on with Guilliman. If Guilliman does something that the Emperor doesn't like, I'm sure he'll make that opinion known. So to all the people screaming "HERESY", think on this, as far as the Emperor's concerned, unless the criticism is coming from him, cries of heresy are cries of heresy against the Emperor himself as you have to assume that what Guilliman is doing is sanctioned.
youre right, but at the same time the imperium is full of religious zealots that could one day worship guilliman as a literal son of god but the next day consider that hes the enemy and that even tho he might appear similar to the emperor thats just a test of faith put there by the emperor himself to see if they are worthy or something, i mean when guilliman raises monarchia lorgar at first considers it a test of faith, during the age of apostasy (idk if thats how its written but you know the one with goge vandire) the sisters of battle almost came to blows with the custodes just because a single man with no more relation to the emperor than anyone else made them velibe the custodes themselves were heretics, i dont think annyone in the guard is gonna atack guilliman, obviously not the custodes, but the eclisiarchy is pretty scary to me they might just go full schizo and declare a war on the rest of the imperium that follows guilliman
Gulliman is doing realpolitik. Working with them is better than being used by them, or to be hindered by them. Besides, why waste resources fighting someone that does not need to be an enemy? Even if they're creepy psychic aliens... I mean every description of aeldari seems to be "kinda pretty to look at, but revoltingly uncanny valley wrong when they start to move". I've yet to see animation match the words of how "wong" they seem to humans when they move. So as much as I am in favor of "aeldar girlfriend"-jokes, I'd rather see creepy, too fast, bendy, eldar that just move "wrong" to the human eye. It sounds creepy and cool.
honestly i wouldnt wanna be one of the priests or comanders in that room with Rob i mean in one hand xenos, short of chaos are as bad as it gets and colaborating with them is about the biggest betrayal one can make, but on the other hand guilliman is a primarch with the emperors sword, backed by the custodes, i dont know how i would act if i had been endoctrinated my whole life to velibe all xenos are always evil but also that the primarchs, custodes, and the emperor are figures of religious adoration, i dont know my head would probably just explode if i had to choose between going against the custodes and a primarch or colaborate with xenos, like yeah from our point of view its a risky move by guilliman, but from the point of view of a general of the guard its absolute heresy done the son of god
To be fair, RG is basically doing where the Emperor failed, admit that he can't win the fight against chaos alone and need help. Keeping secrets like the Emperor did from everyone would be the ruin of the organization. If you read one of the stories where the Emperor interacted with Magnus, he stated that he hoped that the primarchs would succeed where he failed and be a better person than he was.
@@jakelucid9650The two best psykers keeping psyker training and knowledge to themselves and leaving magnus alone with his great power to figure it out on his own. He could feel chaos every second of his life, but the emp and malc just let his curiosity fester without explaining the full picture. Honestly, I'm surprised he lasted that long
@@skywillfindyouHe was very wrong on many things. The Khan even contemplated that Horus would have been a better emperor(this was before erebus and malcador Fd him up)
If written right, nothing Guilliman does is "on the spot" as these political shuffling, organization of data and well placed gambles are really his superpower as a Primarch, he is an organizer not primarily a fighter. Also the setting could use a bit of change with all the new Xeno's out there. I'm not saying to make 40k a bright and happy place, but a bit of color wouldn't be to bad either. I would like to see Roboute's Dauntless Few show up as counter to the Chaos Primarch's, at minimum Rogal Dorn, Leman Russ as Ferrus Manus and Sanguinius would be a bit tricky.
I’d rather see the second loyalist primarch to be someone who doesn’t fit so neatly into a revived imperial structure. If someone like Dorn or LJ come back, it’s too clean: RG does the politics and administration while the other is the warmaster. I’d rather see someone like The Kahn come next - his tactics aren’t a clear fit, his strengths aren’t a symbiotic fit. He’d have to take on both a caretaking/rebuilding role as well as a more traditional offensive/defensive role instead of just using speed. And with him being so unknowable, it would create greater character development and a more interesting relationship between the brothers. JMO though.
@@DAAllan82 Is it really? How do you think Dorne is going to react to Guilliman have a chapter that is well beyond the limits imposed by him? The man has proven himself in the defense of Terra, held off multiple primarchs and their armies as well as the forces of chaos, only to be told that hey buddy thanks for all that, and your scrifices and all, but we need you to fuck off now and break up the greatest team of engineers and builders we have because even though you've proven your loyalty beyond anyone else, you can't be trusted because... reasons. If any Primarch is going to have issues with Papa Smurf it's going to be Big D.
He'll only be able to change Imperial politics for the long term in a more stable time. Right now it's just a necessity to work together with the races that are willing to do so. The Eldar (I won't use that name) have a more stable method of transport to the Imperium Nihilus atm. It benefits the Imperium to work with them to stabilize and save what they can. After that, change can happen.
Guilliman has no choise. Every enemy he need not face, benefits the Indomitus fleets. If the Eldar arent one of them. Then its a win. Guilliman is tasked with stabilizing a now split Imperium with 10,000 years of backwards progress. He wants to get it done. He does not have his Loyalist brothers to hand , whom he could trust to deal with problems that need a Primarchs attention. Aside from all the political strings this pulls. The Imperium does not have the time. Nor the luxery of fighting everyone, and everything. Everywhere. But I think mostly, this is a kick against the Inquisition and the Ministorum, and the time he lives in. He will accept their presence. But if he must, absolutely accept them. Then they will accept the Elder. Its such a clear open threat. " If this crusade succeeds. If I Succeed. I will bring it back to what I left behind. And no man living now can stop me." Then added to that. He outsmarted. Outplayed. And outdid the High Lords. He allready established he is not to be trifled with.
@@LoganSearles Why should they not. The amount of influence the High Lords wielded is immense. They had alot of recources and the biggest nugget they has is that Primarchs have died before. Their best hope was the assasination of Konrad Curze. That was 1 assasin. On Terra they had a few dozen. A full chapter of proven Astartes killers in the Minotaurs and the will to use them. I think the ruthless political accumen Guilliman possesed was something they did not expect. I feel the High Lords expected a general, a warrior but not much more. Not to mention most stories of the Primarchs by M41 are intensely blown up, Guilliman probably being the exception in that he can live up to his legend. And no being in 10,000 years has met a Primarch, so believing that they can be dealt with, dispite their immense abillities is not a far flung conclusion.
@@LoganSearles True. But it is not the how, but the outcome that matters. The fact a mortal assasin 'could' kill a Primarch. It may have taken a 100. But you just need 1 lucky shot. And in terms of numbers, the High Lords had plenty.
Considering xenos are not entirely unheard of as mercenaries and even temporary allies when a larger threat shows up, this is a big nothing burger unless the plot desires to cast any semblance of common sense aside as usual.
I mean guilleman, the lord commander himself, working with Xenos is very different than the blood angel and Necron temporary team up, or working with the Tau to fight the Tyranids. Those and all other team ups have been short lived, in the moment team ups born of desperation and the need to survive. Using the kroot or Orcs as expendable warriors is not the same as an alliance. This is a whole different thing The lord commander having a member of the Eldar in his circle, and actively coordinating long term strategies with them is going to have a much much bigger impact. The imperium will see Guilleman as a heretic and depending on how the wider imperium finds out, could lead to Guilleman needing to remove the inquisition and Ecclesiarchy from power. They will not see reason and they will not obey him when what he’s doing not only goes against their “god” but also threatens their own grip on power. The implications of this alliance of sorts could be good or bad in the long term, but regardless of what theme it takes, the impact will be massive in a way no other alliance in history could be.
@@ianharrison5758 Considering the massive influx of chaos into the galaxy it seems appropriate for an alliance of races on the "order" side of things. The reaction being anything other than "Given how fucked things are we can use any help we can get (for now) is the typical destruction of common sense the setting seems to engage in far too often.
@@hawk4192 we can see in real life that some people are too ignorant , bigoted or hyper religious to accept anything outside their beliefs, even if cooperation is clearly the better option. While it will definitely get taken to a grim dark extreme, the galaxy reacting very poorly to the alliance is not an unrealistic response. It’s not like the emperor not being able to kill Horus after he literally doomed mankind, because he loved him too much. That’s a complete breakdown of common sense. The imperium is beyond hyper religious, ignorant, bigoted, indoctrinated and anti-intellectual. It’s illegal to even invent anything new, even a well educated nobleman or governor will be completely under the thumb of the imperial cult. The average citizen will not be able to logically just get over their life long indoctrination, not unless the threat immediate, and the second the threat is gone, the indoctrination will take hold again. The imperium has been brainwashing its people for longer than human civilization in real life has even existed. The notions of Xenophobia, Anti-intellectualism and Religious extremeism is literally the entire basis of its society. Only in the most desperate times do people that blind suddenly see. Obviously not every imperial citizen is like that. Some of the highest levels of nobility, Planetary Governors, and the top ranks of the Military would definitely see the wisdom in this alliance, but even the common soldier would not. The inquisition and Ecclesiarchy are a mixed bag. Some have a lot more nuance in their beliefs than others but as a whole, they will not like this. The reaction the imperium has will defend on how many know it’s going on. If the whole galaxy found out at once it would be… very very very bad. If the right people in the right positions can keep it hush hush till the alliance sees its end, then we’re all good.
Emperor TTS said it best "I couldn't tell my son's I was a building web way so I could get some Eldar booty call." RG just beat him to it... he beat the Big E to his secret plan
The aeldari have two things Guilliman wants. Knowledge about Chaos (they maybe the only race in universe with actual (mostly) safe to use information) and the webway. Guilliman is almost as big of a collector of information as Magnus was. He knows he cannot beat Chaos without actionable intelligence. Big E was working on getting access to the Webway, which Guilliman didn't know but would most definately want if he learned about it. Ego Guilliman is going to use the space elves to get what he wants (while also learning more about their locations and capabilities) and then obliterate them.
eldar aren't great to ask for help against choas....their 2 biggest interactions with the warp are the birth of a god that wants to eat their souls and the enslaver plague using them as doors to attack the universe. The Eldar are good at manipulating orks and to lesser extent Nids
A fitting description for Guilliman could be enlightened absolutist/despot. He wields absolute power but tries to use his power for the benefit of the whole.
At this point, I wouldn't put it past Guilliman to arrange some sort of non-aggression treaty with the Necrons as well. The galaxy has changed too much since 30k and he's too pragmatic to waste his time fighting would-be allies while the Imperium is being destroyed by Orks, Tyranids and Chaos.
Possibly not. The Necrons want to completely block the Warp's influence in the universe - last I knew, at least - and that would likely annihilate the Eldar and destroy any number of humans. The galaxy relies on the Warp in many ways. Navigators, for example, and the Eldar are intensely powerful psykers. Losing those connections in a short space of time would be catastrophic
@@worgen65 And Guilliman may surmise that their long-term goals are the lesser threat to humanity's survival. A non-aggression treaty would at least make sure that Necron and Imperial guns are both pointed at the more immediate threats instead of each other. They don't have to be friends or even allies.
@@StarryDrukhari I don't disagree. My thing is the Necrons may be slow, but with their goal of cutting off the Warp, any delay would help them. If they cut off the Warp, they would become impossible to stop. It's their only weak point. Outside of blowing their Tomb Worlds to pieces with Exterminatus weapons, but there are - presumably - so many that even Szarekh hasn't found yet. Plus, some dynasties would be able to strike the Imperials with near impunity, such as Suhbekhar or maybe Oruscar. Or the dynasty that blows them up, more likely. Every second they get helps them infinitely more than their "allies"
It would be interesting if just him inviting the Eldar emissary is enough to serve the Eldar Agenda by sowing under currents of discord of itself. Might be a good way to weaken the Mon Keigh without ever doing any other manipulations.
Maybe Emperor back in 30K did not really hate all xenos... Maybe they just had a lots of bad relations, Maybe due to Warp influence, yet he was still searching for allies. Maybe GurlyMan is looking to that also...
I think the Eldar specifically attacked humanity in its hour of weakness during the Age of Darkness and exacerbated their problems. The emperor remembers this and declared the Eldar a high priority enemy
@@joeblazer3429 It's weird, because during the time of the Age of Darkness the eldar were entirely uninterested in humanity. They were at the height of their empire's collapse, and were actively imploding in on themselves with whole planets falling into cannibalistic depravity and the craftworlds taking to the furthest reaches of the stars (Exodites had already left centuries if not millennia before). The eldar did not breach human space--humans likely breached aeldari space in their galaxy-spanning colonization attempts before the Warp went haywire and locked them all down. What Old Night humans might have faced of the eldar would be insane, pleasure-seeking marauders as the Aeldari Empire's actual military was entirely automated and unstoppably efficient (they'd been militaristically unmatched for tens of millions of years, after all). When Slaanesh was born and his birth-scream ripped the souls from 99.9% of all aeldari in the galaxy, the Warp finally calmed. The Eye of Terror opened, and the Emperor set about mopping up Terra to begin his Great Crusade to reunite humanity. The eldar weren't lying in wait for humans to be weak, they had their own massive problems and what attacked human-claimed worlds were likely little more than wandering pleasure-seekers. As for current 40k, the eldar attack humanity the same way they've always attacked them: drukhari & corsair raids, with dips from Asuryani & harlequins here and there where Maiden Worlds or the like are threatened. The "eldar" are not a monolith, and the Craftworlds have no more control over what Commorragh does than the Imperium has control over what Chaos-tainted humans do. Corsairs are independent pirates. Even down to individual craftworlds, they function as entirely independent worldship-states who rarely actually agree and work together.
Honestly, he could do worse these days. Making a temporary alliance with the Eldar and perhaps some parts of the T'au (the Enclaves most likely) to dunk on Chaos is not the worst idea ever concocted by the Imperium.
The sad thing is, he can't just clean up the imperium. The longer he'd focus inwards on getting the imperium back on track, the more he'd risk breaking it and allowing foes from outside to lay siege to them. He'd need to ally with tau, Eldari and possibly Necrons (or at least a non aggression pact) to buy himself the needed time to mop up the dirt in the imperium, or use these alliances to get rid of the unrelenting enemies to relieve the pressure for doing the cleaning later...
I think if they had an alliance in the lore that played into the table top game. More people would probably buy new eldar models to take along side space marines. it would be a wise choice for the sales department
This will cause more problems, but the timing means that it will happen at a time of place og Guilliman's choosing. Had he waited longer, of revealed piecemeal he would have had different issues. Everyone whom would, or should object and potentially conspire again him got the dame message at the same time. No one can accuse him of secret conspiracy now to gain advantage as everyone now knows. He might have to deal with hundreds of plots to undermine him and the alliance, but that is far better than thousands of plots and he has made sure that there are many more layees of protection between himself and the Emperor should those pointy eared xenos try to play him too hard (player's gootta play, but Gulliman knows the game)
Narratively speaking, it seems logical for the Imperium and the Aeldari to ally themselves against chaos as well as the Tyranid and Ork threats. I also think that GW might try a system of alliances like in AoS, where factions of the same alliance can fight together.
I still do not get why this is such an issue? Sure, an author wants to play up his story but if I am not mistaken there is a craftworld that gets a free escort through Imperium space whenever they need it. Also, doesn't Cawl have a partnership with a craftword too? And why is any anti-Guilleman feelings in these novels a thing? He spoke to the Emperor, he has St. Celestine's support, he has Custodes support. Is anyone going to actively question the Emperor when by all accounts Guilleman has the Emperor's full support? Yeah, the Custodes were not 100% his supporters right off, but ONLY the Custodes know this, they are NOT gossiping it all over to anyone and everyone.
@@RayFog1 Unheard of or not, to any of his political opponents he has support of Custodes (Voice of the Emperor), St. Celestine (Emperor's something or other). has spoken to the Emperor, and is the son of the Emperor. Sure, we the readers know some of this is sus (or are being led to some being sus), but the average Imperium higher ups have zero clue. Custodes are not gonnna gossip and neither is St. Celestine. That is what I do not get about any of this. There are so many awesome directions stories could go in the current setting, why are they trying to hard to fabricate Game of Thrones type drama?
Dog this is warhammer 40k, literally every where you look is paranoia and suspiscion. Its why the Lamenters are still looked at as traitors, or why even those that talked to the emperor are looked at with contempt "what does he know about the god emperor, im more faithful then he is"
@@kccustodes2618 I guess ten thousand years of xenophobic indoctrination, makes breaking the news to people weren’t around during the Great Crusade a bit more dangerous, especially now that the ecclesiarchy is so powerful.
Well I mean on some level Gulliman just had recently dealt with the Horus heresy going to shit from the emperor keeping secrets from his commanders so he might just want to make sure he doesn’t do the same thing. Avoid someone important figuring it out on their own and doing something stupid.
Guilliman really needs to fix the imperium and ally it with the Tau as well as the Eldar for the good of the Galaxy. Humanity honestly is turning into a more technically impressive and more religious group of the Ork's at this point. The Tau if humanity was truly wanting to work towards the greater good and peace would in no way have qualms with fully becoming allies.
Logically both the Eldar and the Imperium need each other. Without the might of the Imperium the Orks, the Necrons, Chaos and the Tyranids would overrun the galaxy, as the Eldar are too few in number to stop one of them, let alone all. And the Imperium could do with one less enemy to deal with, allowing it to focus more resources on all the others. Logically Eldar farseers providing the Imperium with intel and even limited access to the Webway, would be a huge boon to the Imperium. Which is why exactly it won't happen as that would move the setting forward in a significant way. Can't have that, no sirree! It must always be kept ad infinitum of near Imperial collapse. Cause grimdark!
That’s the problem I think the 40k lore writers face. If they write the lore to have a hopeful progression then it doesn’t become grimdark enough and 40k loses it’s dark and gothic appeal. If they write a lore to be too hopeless then it’s becomes boring as well.
@@grimgoreironhide9985 Honestly, and you might think I'm lame for this. I kind of hope (if warhammer whateverK ever does finish) it goes in the opposite direction of Warhammer Fantasy and lets order take the dub. I know it would ruin the grimdark for a lot of longterm fans, so I understand if they don't. But I think the horrific struggle that Warhammer 40K has been could make humanity's salvation and triumph all the sweeter in the end. It would make me feel hella good at least, lol.
An open alliance between the Imperium and Aeldari would be a wise decision, especially if it's out in the open. Maybe if the Imperium becomes more open to negotiating a truce between xeno races the T'au might consider aligning themselves with the Astra Militarum and the Mechanicus.
His revelation will no doubt cause some problems throughout the Imperium. Especially the further it spreads across it. But he probably thinks that it is all something he will be able to deal with, as long he has the respect, trust and loyalty of everyone present to have faith in him. And this open and honest discussion is the first step to earning it. Also having an open working relationship with the Ynnari can lead to a steady decline in conflicts between Humans and Eldar across the galaxy. As long as they continue to set an example for the rest to follow.
The Aeldari suck, but going out of their way to fight them is, IMO, a pointless waste of Imperium resources that could be better used elsewhere. Insert "big tiddy Eldar girlfriend" joke here.
Gulliman is right tho, if Imperium wants, they can ruined Aeldari, if a few Valhallan Regiments can fight Aeldari forces from craft world Biel-tan to a stalemate, if even Imperium itself almost manage to destroy an Aeldari Craftworld without large imperium wide mustering, Than The Imperium are indeed capable to ruin Aeldari races and their remaining craftworlds here ( aside from dark eldar in commoragh)
@CommoraghRadio Who/what is the only faction to imperil their own immortal souls, in perpetuity, by being such hedonistic assholes that they accidentally created the god/goddess of "Bad Touch?"
Hey thank you for the spoiler warning! I’m only halfway through avenging son, and I’m excited to see how the centerpiece series for ninth edition goes!
I'm very curious if this is going to turn into a civil war with the Inquisition and if it's all a ploy by Tzeentch. The Primaris are a change of ways from first-born Astartes. Cooperation and secret alliances with xenos are certainly changes. Hell, Guilleman even coming back and taking over from the High Lords was a big change. Tzeentch hates Nurgle and Nurgle's minions have already had an act in this play with the Plague Wars.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Guilliman's relationship with the Aeldari is him trying to gain some kind of access to the webway. It will absolutely end disastrously for both the Imperium and the Aeldari.
Theoretica: We have a common foe. (and they brought me back to life, have many other ways of fighting, etc.) Practica: We ally against the common foe. I stick with my Primarch. Courage and Honour!
He is getting the important people on his side, which would make the secret stand as well as generally making sure things went smooth if the Xenos were needed for a task on another ship.
I think so did Fulgrim...? Or was it Magnus? One of the other traitors was "warned" by Eldrad but they freaked out instead of actually listening to his words.
@@dac314 yeah that's usually the main issue that comes up when you talk about a character that can see the future " oh why didn't they see that coming?" And the usual response is well they didn't get the whole picture only parts of it.
I mean Guilliman is playing a dangerous game. If eldar emotions are like 100x stronger than human emotions I can only imagine how Yvraine would be during the week of Khaine.
Is it possible that he knows the Necrons are coming back in force and the Empire alone does not have a chance? From what I understand from my grandfather's books the Necrons have a burning hatred for the Eldar and considering the Eldar;s fall from grace they are a shadow of their might and could this be a case of..... "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"? I think this would be an interesting story line or have I said the stupidest ever?
Yes and no. He would merely begin reverting the Emperor back towards his normal levels of power, which at he is still one of the most potent psychic forces in existence
Guiliman is playing with fire, sure, but he simply have no other choice. Imperium as it is, way he approched it is gamble for be or not be mankind. When galaxy is on fire, there is no way you don't get burn while trying to safe it.
That’s great having a diplomatic relationship with them. It’s a waste of lives and resources fighting the imperium when they should focus on fighting chaos and trynids together.
A stable lasting alliance between the imperium and the Aeldari, is one of the best things for the galaxy, as the Eldar hold the key to truly defeating Chaos, yet don't have the power or unity to do so, well the imperium holds some of the greatest power in the universe, and have just as much to benefit from defeating Chaos, however they lack the means to do little more then banished demons to return back to the Warp and resurrect.
Jaghatai khan: wait you haven't been romancing elves for new ship engines? I invented that tactic like 10000 years ago bro. Guilliman: so that was what fulgrim was talking about.
There's a short story "The Armour of Fate" by Guy Haley where Guilliman get to meet Eldrad for a wee chat if im not wrong. And also there he imply they know each other well ...
Also, he should have brought Gabriel Angelos, chapter master of the Blood Ravens, in on this. His multiple dealings with the Aeldari could help with the situation.
I think it is a very bold political move and right one too because at this time imperium cannot hide the gulliman connection with eldari and also cleaserick already know about zenos connection with gulliman revival so when he told the truth to everyone in upper command section that mean he trust them and he want other trust him that's what he saying to everyone
Should check out the Armour of Fate short story if you have time Wolf, it breaks down the relationship Eldrad and Guilliman about his involvement in Guilliman's resurrection.
Pure speculation but I would say it's both after assessing the current state of things he realized tactically the Imperium was at a disadvantage. It is obvious from past references he is willing to use any tactical tool to gain advantage.
I dont know much about this event, but, I know well two things: great achievements were acomplished by taking risks and; some of the best moments in wh40k happend when the factions got together to face and undoubtly evil or chaotic force.
I think that it is a right decision to create an alliance wit aeldari. For 1 - Roboute knows who his main enemy is(we all do). If he can at least stop that freakin' warp menace from making things worse throughout the imperium worlds, then all the sacrifices are worth it. On the other hand - a freakin' inquisition will always try to put some roadblocks on his way(along with deathwatch and other bloodthirsty xenophobic chapters). The main problem of imperium is that in their great conquest of being a superior and bright civilization, they keep forgetting that there are wars that NEED to be fought and wars that can be avoided. Yes - T'au and Aeldari (tier 3) are not their friends, but they are not necessary enemies. Tier 1 threats are chaos and tyranids. Tier 2 are nekrons, orks and dark eldari. Tier 3 (mentioned above) can be avoided or even reasoned with - cuz unlike tier 1 and 2 those are smart civilizations that just want to coexist(yes - they are militaristic and battle-hardened, but who wouldn't be at those dark times). I know that with all of the history of aeldari and the chaos, it will be hard for imperium to accept them as allies - but the olive branch is already given from aeldari side. It's time to decide - whether to be proud, knee-deep in blood but alone, or start making allies that can actually help you better the grim picture..
I wonder if he's testing the waters with his closest aides, but also to inform them so they can keep an eye on possible Aeldari manipulation. Hence the explicit statement to them (and to the Aeldari).
AND GUY HALEY IS A FREAKING LEGENDARY SAVAGE WHEN IT COMES TO WRITING THESE STORIES....I Finally Got Audible....and HOLY CRAP RHO MY BROTHER,!!! ITS LIKE A BUFFET TABLE ON A PLEASURE PLANET!!! WHERE TO START AND WHAT AM I GONNA READ NEXT?? MIND 🤯
by him revealing the aeldari, I thought he legit was like, people of the imperium, yes I am clapping xenos cheeks, they're not bad, they're our allies.
Guilliman : introduces aeldari allies
Cawl : quickly hides his necron allies by folding the tesseract onto itself
Imperial Guard wielding suspiciously potent laspulse rifle with attached railbayonet : approves of these new arrangements, in the name of the greater good.
What's a laspulse rifle? Something "borrowed" from the Tau?
@@Matihood1 It's like a lasrifle, but better
@@Matihood1 Yah- some made-up contraption that would not hold up as 100% terran under scrutiny ^_^
Lol
Im so so sooo mad Imperial guards are such shit. Really, really good weapons vs humans.....sucks against everything, NO *LITERALLY * everything else, while not set on "high".
Gilliman picks up the diplomat by the back of her shirt, and wiggles her at the assembled. "No shooty shoot, stab jabby, or such actions. Good xeno, snu snu, not bad xeno." And the meeting is over.
Orkz would agreed with this.
Papa smurf is the only person in the imperium with any sense ! The only way to stop the rotting imperium is by building alliances
if history has taught us anything it's you can't trust eldar, it might start out nice and civil but one day your gonna come home and find some devious eldar beating your cat off with sandpaper in front of the entire population of his applauding and cheering craft world.
@@drgonzo305 but they have more than enough problems with Slaanesh and are not a threat to the might of the imperium and there technology is superior and it’s only a certain sect of the race who I think can be trusted but sure be careful as he seems to be doing
Gulliman is right tho, if Imperium wants, they can ruined Aeldari, if a few Valhallan Regiments can fight Aeldari forces from craft world Biel-tan to a stalemate, if even Imperium itself almost manage to destroy an Aeldari Craftworld with only sector wide mustering( only saved when chad prince Uriel came and talk to imperial forces that the raid against imperial shipments are being conducted by dark aeldar and not them) Than The Imperium are indeed capable to ruin Aeldari races and their remaining craftworlds in real space ( aside from dark eldar in commoragh)
@@drgonzo305 You can say exactly the same but with fire for the Ecclesiarchy. All the factions are fucked up in some way lol
HERESY ! You have been corrupted by the Xenos and their pointy ears and dexterous busy fingers !
Guilliman to the Ecclesiarch:
"Did I ever tell you about the razing of Monarchia?"
And he will die in the same evening, lol
He just has to say that he walked into the Throne room surrounded by Custodes talked with his father and is currently using the Emperors sword. Just tell them that it's all part of the Emperors plan and if they don't believe him they can go to the Emperor themselves.
That could cause a lot of different problems because then every dickhead who thinks that they're important enough would want a personal one on one with big E.
Lmao the best part is if they did go to Big E they’d just fucking incinerate from his psychic light.
laughs in inquisition and ecclesiarchy
They did once and they feared his power and that the chaos gods are right there with him. They feared his attention
If a Primarch (and Lord Commander of the Imperium) rolls up and says "we're working with the Eldar now", the next words out of your mouth better be "yes m'lord"
Custodes are in a weird position. Guilliman is an extension of the Emperor and the closest thing they have to the actual Emperor after 10K years of guarding a corpse. But he's also a Primarch, the same group that almost destroyed everything the Emperor created.
i think the custodes are totally raedy to fight guilliman if they see it as necessary, i dont think they percieve him as an extension of the emperor, hes part of humanity so he is an ally but they serve only the emperor and would not hesitate to fight annyone else
@@ReconCrusader Yeah except Emps hasn't told them anything for 10,000 years
True. Aren't space Marines in general like "shadow banned" from even walking on Terra?
@@jrr7031 That sounds accurate, the only exception being the Gray Knights of course. Not sure if that's the rule anymore though. In Dark Imperium, a bunch of Primaris showed up along with that weird chapter whose name I forget.
@@maxstr yea i thought it was cuz all the literal chaos they caused. Of course Grey knights.....I mean youre supposed to be mind wiped if you even see them anyway ....
I honestly would love for relations with the Craftworld Aeldari and the Imperium to warm up. I think a non-aggression pact would, if nothing else, help both factions focus their resources towards fighting more existential threats such as the Ruinous Powers, the Nids and the Orks.
@Kalldr Killing anyone can strenghten Khorne. It's the worship that really matters.
@Rill It's always possible, but they could just start slipping away again on their craftworlds. And the second they are allowed to properly settle even let's say a dozen Maiden Worlds - a dozen fully populated Maiden Worlds would represent probably a 10-100 fold increase in the total number of eldar, and a similar increase in the amount of eldar industry available. It would be a very asymmetric fight and the Imperium would struggle to win it unless they formed and dedicated several Legiones Astartes (not chapters but legions) to just that one task.
A three way non aggression pact. Imperium,eldar and Tau would bring stability across multiple fronts. Yeah the usual back stabbing and such but Guilleman may see the stability of others plus his mind set on governing
I don’t think it’s impossible to add the Tau and Necron to that alliance.
The silent king seemed pretty reasonable when dante met him
@@BC-vg3zfIf you get the more reasonable necron on board then Warhammer 40k would be more like warhammer fantasy old world where most races are largely at peace
To me it feels like a "bouth"-situation. Firstly, he was frozen in time, unchanged and so it feels reasonable to think, that Guilliman wants to return to some of the more open traditions from his own time. On the other hand, I still considder him to much of a tactician, to act on nostalgia alone.
Any secret will come out one day. In handing it out on your own terms, it can not blow up in your face, when you have other stuff to deal with. Not to mention, that now the ones closest to him, even under arms, now konw. So they might not like it, they might strongly oppose it, but every passing day, that ends without a desaster, there is one more day, where they were knowingly allies with the Aeldari and nothing bad happened.
The protocol is out there, so no one can say "Mimimi, he did not tell, but I found out, so tada!", he can - from that point on - say "I tould you, I did not keep it a secret, so you bringing it up now is just you trying to open up a can of drama!" with the backup of everyone who was told having to admitt, that well, he or she might not have liked it, but it did no harm.
Jokes aside, I think Yvraine and the emergence of Ynnead may have had a role in Guilliman wanting to work with the Eldar. I know that Yvraine got many of the different Eldar to join her, even some Dark Eldar. I am sure Vect is watching very closely. I would be interested to what Cawl thought of Guilliman's decision.
I mean if he's still intent on wiping all Xenos out so that humanity is completely dominant in the galaxy, the whole "All Eldar need to die for Ynnead to come back, who then kills Slaanesh and then revives the Eldar" stuff sounds pretty handy, especially if someone were to cut Ynnead off from reviving the Eldar right after killing Slaanesh. One entire really strong race less to worry about, one Chaos God gone and if the other Eldar gods could be killed, surely so can Ynnead somehow.
Then again, I wouldn't see such a plot to be up Guilliman's alley, more like something Alpharius Omegon would do, huh?
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Let's be real. This is very dangerous to both races. They hate each other from very long history, but they need each other to survive. The Imperium needs Eldar knowledge and remaining webway and the Eldar need humanities might and tenacity. This is dangerous but absolutely a move of extreme need. They can't make any moves together when only a handful of people know of the alliance, but now the high command knows and things can happen. Will there be backlash? Yes for everyone involved, Imperium, Eldar and everyone caught in between but it still needs to be done. The trick will be in controlling that backlash and directing it into something useful.
What would the Lion think? ‘If’ he is the next loyal primarch, could make for some interesting dynamics within the imperium
This is after Guilliman met with the Big E, and Custodes were present at the announcement, so I completely agree this is an all-in decision angling to webway tech that could either cap or repair the Terran portal. Aside from the larger strategic objective for protected Imperial webway travel, that one act on Terra could reignite a golden age of the Imperium with a living Emperor at it's head... so that's not going to happen.
How convenient the older, smarter, faster, taller, and more pointy eared humans need the humans for their survival
RG: "I am the emperors son, say no one more time to me and I will erase 3 generations of your bloodline.:
Problem solved.
I dont remember in which novel but one of the aeldeari farseer said to Guilliman that the destiny of both race is connected, human fail and aeldeari will fall, if human succedee, the aeldeari will survive, so i assume there will be this “connection” from now on..
So basically both sides are tied
I would like that
@@davidburnett5049 I like to to as humans have someone to talk to
@Ben ren is it? Surely it’s bad writing to just keep an extremely stale setting that doesn’t move at all? Maybe if RG didn’t return you could have your stagnant and collapsing empire that further damages itself due to its xenophobic attitude (which is also a pro diversity message surely?)
With RG at the helm using his demigod brain he should be able to see the way things are going, there will need to be an alliance now Chaos has cut the galaxy in half with that storm or whatever, tyranids getting ever closer (the current incursions are just a tiny bit of the hive apparently) and the necrons doing their thing.
How they handle the writing is a better thing to be worried about but the setting does need to move forward and making things less one dimensional will also be nice
Guilliman know that he is the more powerful (political and military) person in the imperium at this moment,and eldar and humans have one thing alike and that is the fact that they want to survive, alliances is the best decision they have now
He barely just got resurrected for what, a millenia? While the rot of war, corruption, the inquisition, the ecclisiarchy, and the forces of xenos and chaos run free and rampant. He needs all the wins and help that he can get.
@@DaniMol the inquisition is garbage and not needed
I think Guilliman only works with Yvraine and the Ynnari on behalf of Eldrad, since he probably is the only Eldar Guilliman actually trusts (slightly).
I do not think Guilliman would ever have faith in Yvraine or the Eldar as a whole, save that they are fickle and deceptive. Eldrad is the exception due to his focus on stopping the Ruinous Powers above screwing over humanity as most Eldar would do.
The Inquisition can neither confirm nor deny that Guilliman gave Yvraine a copy of "Love can Bloom" signed by Liivi himself as a token of appreciation.
Guilliman is simply following his father's example
Well, at least one Primarch got q girlfriend
Gulliman clapping Yvraine
Emperor clapping Isha
"Love cannot bloom, it is not an Ork." An Inquisitor, probably
Like Father like Son.
The concept of future stories with Guilliman and Eldrad sounds cool
It is sound stupid becouse it against whole Waha plot.
I view his reveal as a three-fold strategy. It is to impress upon them the seriousness of the situation, to be up-front with them about how far he feels they have to go and to make them all complicit with him - which heads off at least the most obvious avenues of opposition, also that many of them have had at least neutral dealings with certain Aeldari factions. This adds levels of diplomatic nuance.
Didn't Eldrad warn Guilliman of Horus rebellion? There might be some regret over having dismissed him back then, which has made him more receptive to Aeldari warnings and prophecies in the 41st Millenium. And there's certainly been some farseer behind revealing the alliance, who predicted that this led to a desirable future. (Which also leans some more weight to Guilliman subtly warning the Eldar in his speech not to trick him).
Yep, Eldrad and the Emperor are friends
No, he warned Fulgrim, not Guilliman.
I believe it was Ferrus Manus. During an assault in the desert. Where his sons bionics were being psychically controlled by a conclave of eldar farseers/warlocks. During the fighting Ferrus Manus falls through the sand into a cave network below. Where he has a clash with a greater deamon, wins, and then has an audience with Eldrad. Eldrad warns him of the coming heresy, but Ferus refuses to even consider his claims since he is a filthy alien. And a tricksy Eldar alien no less.
This goes to explain why Fulgrim got the jump on him, and then also why he was so incredibly pissed of and suicided himself in the end. He was extra pissed off because he was warned!
@@jamesespinosa690 Eldrad for sure warned Fulgrim, but didnt belive and instead attacked him. Ironicall is, he was warned twice by Eldrad and Kurz
@@macshadow1150 Which book was it?
It may be that Guilliman is trying to keep control over how people will see his consorting with Aeldari. It's much better optically for Guilliman to reveal this info himself then it would be if it somehow leaks out. The reaction is always going to be bad because of the nature of how the Imperium view Xenos, but it would be much worse politically if the info leaks and then Guilliman has to explain himself vs Guilliman reveals this info and assures that he will not be manipulated while reinforcing the strength of the Imperium.
That's actually exactly the move someone as politically adept as Papa Smurf would make. It's not some nasty surprise that comes out leading to the idea he is being manipulated by the Eldar as the so often do while remaining in the shadows. This says "here they are. I'm in charge".
Main diffrence between him and Emp, he doesnt want to keep secrets from his underlings, simply seeking the best way to do this
Memes of guiliman sleeping with yvraine aside, it's simple. The imperium is simply spread too thin and they need to suck up their pride and ask for help
I imagine some of his key motivations were as follows:
1) An empire devoid of The Emperor's ideals was his in name only. Restoring The Emperor's virtues to the emperium was essential to saving it from itself --and just as important as saving it from external invaders.
2) By openly showing his collaboration with the Aeldari, with ranking members of multiple emperial factions present, he also makes makes the statement of being confident he can handle whatever dissent they might throw at him. A clear "I'm confident enough in my power to commit 'heresy' in front of you. Are you *really* confident enough in yours to think I am not ready to take you down if you oppose me?"
3) In this gambit, he also creates a sort of prisoners dilemma and a collective action problem.
Basically, if all the factions present banded together and retaliated against Gulliman, they could almost certainly take him down. But if only one or two did, Gulliman would easily crush them.
Further, even remaining silent/hesitant to "pick a side" would simply make them heretics by association with the rest of the emperium.
So it makes perfect sense, actually, that they would be stunned into collective inaction in the immediate term, and in the short term thereafter would be far too afraid of Gulliman crushing them if they moved against him individually, or began trying to form an alliance against him, and in the long run, they would have to accept that their "silence" for so long would be seen as nothing but collaboration to the rest of the empire.
So their most likely chance of survival, was by keeping the secret, and if not truly supporting Gulliman, staying as far away from 'opposing' him as possible.
Really brilliant move on Gulliman's part.
Yeah you noted soemthing I’m not seeing a lot say, the fact that aeldari survived this encounter made them all guilty of heresy for collaborating with filthy xenos. To even report this to the Ordo Xenos for official sanction would require these powerful men to say “yes and after the xenos came in I totally sat there and did nothing about it!”
As long as the Officio Assassinorium continue to back Gulliman there will be no problem.
If he loses their backing then he's in big trouble.
This is such a Guilliman move. Now that the inquisition and religious oligarchy has lost a lot of power, I think this can work out.
Nice joke, lol.
Imperium survived 12 k years with I and church work and now clow manager from 21 cenctuary return to only ruin, lol
@@ГеоргийЧайковский-ь8ч I found the inquisition spy 👀
I believe the secret of Guilliman taking advice from a Xeno is less about it happening, but more about the subject and frequency. In Godblight, he was using the advice from the Aeldari on events within the warp/immaterium to manipulate or maximize the probability of certain future events occuring. For example, it was the Aeldari's advice that lead Guilliman to let frater Mathieu to leave First Landing on Iax. That intersection of Xenos, the warp, and religion have plenty of things that G would want to keep under wraps.
Honestly memes of big tiddy eldar girlfriends aside Gulliman is a terrifying dude. He can easily make the rational and impossible decision to sacrifice a world to deny the traitors from taking another more valuable world. I can easily see Gulliman using the Eldar to his advantage and then when all his enemies are destroyed and their use is spent, pull a Mount Ararat and completely genocide them into extinction.
I'm not exactly a Guilliman fan, but I think he catches a bad rep and is underestimated a lot.
Sure he isn't the best fighter but his other logical and logistical abilities are terrifying. He is all about the bigger picture, something pretty unique among the Primarchs.
Very much his fathers son in that aspect.
Saying that the Emperor didn't have that much of a problem with the Eldar, being pen-pals of a sort with Eldrad so I think Gman is taking a better with them than against them appraoch.
@@rankcolour8780 The other Primarchs are good at fighting and leading but leading Society especially one that literally questioned a Primarch openly to his face and view him as a issue to their schemes?
I would not want to imagine the Lion or Russ being the first one to find this mess.
@@Subject_Keter Their solution would no doubt be a much more fatal and bloody mess.
Both of them were perhaps the Emperors most reliable weapons and while they are both genius level intelligences they are weapons of utter destruction 1st and foremost.
Again not to belittle Gmans powers at war, but they are all built differently and in a way Gman - the less terrifying warrior- is far more terrifying in the 40k setting for his ability to outplay everyone and everything without cutting everyone's head off.
@@Subject_Keter Russ would have started a civil war. The Lion would have started one, won it, then carried on with afternoon.
Then he would be like his father wouldn’t he.
Plus the eldar would have plans to curse mankind anyway
So, general knowledge of the Great Enemy was always very limited, even among Astartes Chapters, and the GKs have made mincemeat out of those who know a little too much. Now the Big G is making a general announcement among fleet command about Chaos being real and their primary goal, which is why they're all having tea with the Not-so-Great Enemy. Guilliman and the Emperor already met, so the Custodes aren't reacting because it's their marching orders from the absolute top. That alone should be enough to cow the senior members of any branch of the Imperium, and those who aren't cowed are Chaos-loving traitors to humanity that should be purged.
Seems simple enough.
Awesome
Wait. I know that The Great Enemy isn’t known about by the Imperium at large, but I could have sworn all Astartes were aware of it…
There’s a reason the first guard their secrets. Azrael knew a greater demon’s true name… lol i’d say the GK aint the only ones knowledgeable about the ruinous powers
@Diego Mejia the first is the first. They are privy to yhings thatd see em burn from the inquisition
@Diego Mejia lol well to be fair the DA have the kinda shit that’d erase most things out of existence.
Roboute has a half superhuman half elder son, fight me....
*loads Bolter*
*sharps shovel*
I think the races of the galaxy figuring out how to get along would be a nice theme. They've got plenty of battles to fight to save the galaxy. They don't need to be wasting tume murdering each other. It would also make them feel less stupid because you think someone would realize that they would need to suck it up and stand together before chaos, the nids, or the orks krump the galaxy.
This is Guilleman playing all sides at once. Showing the Aeldari how much the Imperium hates them, and to warn them off of playing games. Showing he does not bow to the inquisition or ministorum but at the same time showing he respects them enough to not lie to them. It is probably the most delicate moment in his regency so far, and arguably the most important for the overall future of the imperium and Guilleman's heroic effort to turn back the clock to an Imperium that knew and believed in science.
Given the captured Aeldari goddess in Nurgles garden could be the key to the physical resurrection of The Emperor, there are common interests between The Imperium of Man and the Aeldari.
Namely the defeat of Chaos. Necrons. Tyranids.
Never connected isha to the resurrection of the emperor! Very smart
Guilliman going back to the scientific background: experimenting to find out how loud he can clap Yvraine's cheeks
Just judging by his general size, and the size of her badonkadonk, quite loudly, I assume.
I say this again and again every time this topic comes up so I won't begrudge anyone for calling me unoriginal but yet again, I repeat, the buck begins and ends with the Emperor. In this new age in 40k the Emperor has been more active than he's ever been since the time he was placed on that throne. I have no doubt whatsoever that he is keeping an eye on everything that's going on, certainly (after the Horus Heresy) everything that's going on with Guilliman. If Guilliman does something that the Emperor doesn't like, I'm sure he'll make that opinion known. So to all the people screaming "HERESY", think on this, as far as the Emperor's concerned, unless the criticism is coming from him, cries of heresy are cries of heresy against the Emperor himself as you have to assume that what Guilliman is doing is sanctioned.
All part of the Emperors plan to secure the webway so he can acquire Eldar hookers
youre right, but at the same time the imperium is full of religious zealots that could one day worship guilliman as a literal son of god but the next day consider that hes the enemy and that even tho he might appear similar to the emperor thats just a test of faith put there by the emperor himself to see if they are worthy or something, i mean when guilliman raises monarchia lorgar at first considers it a test of faith, during the age of apostasy (idk if thats how its written but you know the one with goge vandire) the sisters of battle almost came to blows with the custodes just because a single man with no more relation to the emperor than anyone else made them velibe the custodes themselves were heretics, i dont think annyone in the guard is gonna atack guilliman, obviously not the custodes, but the eclisiarchy is pretty scary to me they might just go full schizo and declare a war on the rest of the imperium that follows guilliman
Gulliman is doing realpolitik. Working with them is better than being used by them, or to be hindered by them. Besides, why waste resources fighting someone that does not need to be an enemy? Even if they're creepy psychic aliens... I mean every description of aeldari seems to be "kinda pretty to look at, but revoltingly uncanny valley wrong when they start to move".
I've yet to see animation match the words of how "wong" they seem to humans when they move. So as much as I am in favor of "aeldar girlfriend"-jokes, I'd rather see creepy, too fast, bendy, eldar that just move "wrong" to the human eye. It sounds creepy and cool.
I don't know if the eldars are pretty to look at. As far as I know, they have unnaturally slender figures.
@@Matihood1 depends on where you look, but yes, they need more meat on their bones
Bendy women are generally a turn on
honestly i wouldnt wanna be one of the priests or comanders in that room with Rob i mean in one hand xenos, short of chaos are as bad as it gets and colaborating with them is about the biggest betrayal one can make, but on the other hand guilliman is a primarch with the emperors sword, backed by the custodes, i dont know how i would act if i had been endoctrinated my whole life to velibe all xenos are always evil but also that the primarchs, custodes, and the emperor are figures of religious adoration, i dont know my head would probably just explode if i had to choose between going against the custodes and a primarch or colaborate with xenos, like yeah from our point of view its a risky move by guilliman, but from the point of view of a general of the guard its absolute heresy done the son of god
To be fair, RG is basically doing where the Emperor failed, admit that he can't win the fight against chaos alone and need help. Keeping secrets like the Emperor did from everyone would be the ruin of the organization. If you read one of the stories where the Emperor interacted with Magnus, he stated that he hoped that the primarchs would succeed where he failed and be a better person than he was.
indeed, the secrets and lies are what brought magnus low.
Wrong. Emepror wasn't wrong. He was pretty close to win and is now.
@@jakelucid9650The two best psykers keeping psyker training and knowledge to themselves and leaving magnus alone with his great power to figure it out on his own. He could feel chaos every second of his life, but the emp and malc just let his curiosity fester without explaining the full picture. Honestly, I'm surprised he lasted that long
@@skywillfindyouHe was very wrong on many things. The Khan even contemplated that Horus would have been a better emperor(this was before erebus and malcador Fd him up)
If written right, nothing Guilliman does is "on the spot" as these political shuffling, organization of data and well placed gambles are really his superpower as a Primarch, he is an organizer not primarily a fighter. Also the setting could use a bit of change with all the new Xeno's out there. I'm not saying to make 40k a bright and happy place, but a bit of color wouldn't be to bad either. I would like to see Roboute's Dauntless Few show up as counter to the Chaos Primarch's, at minimum Rogal Dorn, Leman Russ as Ferrus Manus and Sanguinius would be a bit tricky.
I’d rather see the second loyalist primarch to be someone who doesn’t fit so neatly into a revived imperial structure. If someone like Dorn or LJ come back, it’s too clean: RG does the politics and administration while the other is the warmaster. I’d rather see someone like The Kahn come next - his tactics aren’t a clear fit, his strengths aren’t a symbiotic fit. He’d have to take on both a caretaking/rebuilding role as well as a more traditional offensive/defensive role instead of just using speed. And with him being so unknowable, it would create greater character development and a more interesting relationship between the brothers.
JMO though.
I want both Corvus and Vulkan back
@@DAAllan82 Is it really? How do you think Dorne is going to react to Guilliman have a chapter that is well beyond the limits imposed by him? The man has proven himself in the defense of Terra, held off multiple primarchs and their armies as well as the forces of chaos, only to be told that hey buddy thanks for all that, and your scrifices and all, but we need you to fuck off now and break up the greatest team of engineers and builders we have because even though you've proven your loyalty beyond anyone else, you can't be trusted because... reasons.
If any Primarch is going to have issues with Papa Smurf it's going to be Big D.
He'll only be able to change Imperial politics for the long term in a more stable time. Right now it's just a necessity to work together with the races that are willing to do so. The Eldar (I won't use that name) have a more stable method of transport to the Imperium Nihilus atm. It benefits the Imperium to work with them to stabilize and save what they can. After that, change can happen.
Guilliman has no choise.
Every enemy he need not face, benefits the Indomitus fleets. If the Eldar arent one of them. Then its a win. Guilliman is tasked with stabilizing a now split Imperium with 10,000 years of backwards progress. He wants to get it done. He does not have his Loyalist brothers to hand , whom he could trust to deal with problems that need a Primarchs attention.
Aside from all the political strings this pulls. The Imperium does not have the time. Nor the luxery of fighting everyone, and everything. Everywhere.
But I think mostly, this is a kick against the Inquisition and the Ministorum, and the time he lives in. He will accept their presence. But if he must, absolutely accept them. Then they will accept the Elder.
Its such a clear open threat.
" If this crusade succeeds. If I Succeed. I will bring it back to what I left behind. And no man living now can stop me."
Then added to that. He outsmarted. Outplayed. And outdid the High Lords. He allready established he is not to be trifled with.
I found it funny that the high lords thought that they could topple a primarch.
@@LoganSearles Why should they not.
The amount of influence the High Lords wielded is immense. They had alot of recources and the biggest nugget they has is that Primarchs have died before.
Their best hope was the assasination of Konrad Curze. That was 1 assasin. On Terra they had a few dozen. A full chapter of proven Astartes killers in the Minotaurs and the will to use them.
I think the ruthless political accumen Guilliman possesed was something they did not expect. I feel the High Lords expected a general, a warrior but not much more.
Not to mention most stories of the Primarchs by M41 are intensely blown up, Guilliman probably being the exception in that he can live up to his legend.
And no being in 10,000 years has met a Primarch, so believing that they can be dealt with, dispite their immense abillities is not a far flung conclusion.
@@thijshagenbeek8853 Fair, but the thing about Konrad is that he let the assassin kill him. She didn’t fight him. It was more of an assisted suicide.
@@LoganSearles True. But it is not the how, but the outcome that matters. The fact a mortal assasin 'could' kill a Primarch. It may have taken a 100. But you just need 1 lucky shot. And in terms of numbers, the High Lords had plenty.
Considering xenos are not entirely unheard of as mercenaries and even temporary allies when a larger threat shows up, this is a big nothing burger unless the plot desires to cast any semblance of common sense aside as usual.
I mean guilleman, the lord commander himself, working with Xenos is very different than the blood angel and Necron temporary team up, or working with the Tau to fight the Tyranids.
Those and all other team ups have been short lived, in the moment team ups born of desperation and the need to survive.
Using the kroot or Orcs as expendable warriors is not the same as an alliance. This is a whole different thing
The lord commander having a member of the Eldar in his circle, and actively coordinating long term strategies with them is going to have a much much bigger impact.
The imperium will see Guilleman as a heretic and depending on how the wider imperium finds out, could lead to Guilleman needing to remove the inquisition and Ecclesiarchy from power. They will not see reason and they will not obey him when what he’s doing not only goes against their “god” but also threatens their own grip on power.
The implications of this alliance of sorts could be good or bad in the long term, but regardless of what theme it takes, the impact will be massive in a way no other alliance in history could be.
@@ianharrison5758 In those days the last alliance of Elves and Men joined to fight the great enemy, to assault Barad'ur
@@ianharrison5758 Considering the massive influx of chaos into the galaxy it seems appropriate for an alliance of races on the "order" side of things. The reaction being anything other than "Given how fucked things are we can use any help we can get (for now) is the typical destruction of common sense the setting seems to engage in far too often.
@@hawk4192 we can see in real life that some people are too ignorant , bigoted or hyper religious to accept anything outside their beliefs, even if cooperation is clearly the better option.
While it will definitely get taken to a grim dark extreme, the galaxy reacting very poorly to the alliance is not an unrealistic response.
It’s not like the emperor not being able to kill Horus after he literally doomed mankind, because he loved him too much. That’s a complete breakdown of common sense.
The imperium is beyond hyper religious, ignorant, bigoted, indoctrinated and anti-intellectual. It’s illegal to even invent anything new, even a well educated nobleman or governor will be completely under the thumb of the imperial cult. The average citizen will not be able to logically just get over their life long indoctrination, not unless the threat immediate, and the second the threat is gone, the indoctrination will take hold again.
The imperium has been brainwashing its people for longer than human civilization in real life has even existed. The notions of Xenophobia, Anti-intellectualism and Religious extremeism is literally the entire basis of its society.
Only in the most desperate times do people that blind suddenly see.
Obviously not every imperial citizen is like that. Some of the highest levels of nobility, Planetary Governors, and the top ranks of the Military would definitely see the wisdom in this alliance, but even the common soldier would not.
The inquisition and Ecclesiarchy are a mixed bag. Some have a lot more nuance in their beliefs than others but as a whole, they will not like this.
The reaction the imperium has will defend on how many know it’s going on. If the whole galaxy found out at once it would be… very very very bad. If the right people in the right positions can keep it hush hush till the alliance sees its end, then we’re all good.
It’s the smartest move considering our galaxy is the “last man standing” being surrounded by Tyranids on all side
Emperor TTS said it best
"I couldn't tell my son's I was a building web way so I could get some Eldar booty call."
RG just beat him to it... he beat the Big E to his secret plan
The aeldari have two things Guilliman wants. Knowledge about Chaos (they maybe the only race in universe with actual (mostly) safe to use information) and the webway. Guilliman is almost as big of a collector of information as Magnus was. He knows he cannot beat Chaos without actionable intelligence. Big E was working on getting access to the Webway, which Guilliman didn't know but would most definately want if he learned about it.
Ego Guilliman is going to use the space elves to get what he wants (while also learning more about their locations and capabilities) and then obliterate them.
eldar aren't great to ask for help against choas....their 2 biggest interactions with the warp are the birth of a god that wants to eat their souls and the enslaver plague using them as doors to attack the universe. The Eldar are good at manipulating orks and to lesser extent Nids
A fitting description for Guilliman could be enlightened absolutist/despot. He wields absolute power but tries to use his power for the benefit of the whole.
as a fan, I quite like this development.
At this point, I wouldn't put it past Guilliman to arrange some sort of non-aggression treaty with the Necrons as well. The galaxy has changed too much since 30k and he's too pragmatic to waste his time fighting would-be allies while the Imperium is being destroyed by Orks, Tyranids and Chaos.
Possibly not. The Necrons want to completely block the Warp's influence in the universe - last I knew, at least - and that would likely annihilate the Eldar and destroy any number of humans. The galaxy relies on the Warp in many ways. Navigators, for example, and the Eldar are intensely powerful psykers. Losing those connections in a short space of time would be catastrophic
@@worgen65 And Guilliman may surmise that their long-term goals are the lesser threat to humanity's survival. A non-aggression treaty would at least make sure that Necron and Imperial guns are both pointed at the more immediate threats instead of each other. They don't have to be friends or even allies.
@@StarryDrukhari I don't disagree. My thing is the Necrons may be slow, but with their goal of cutting off the Warp, any delay would help them. If they cut off the Warp, they would become impossible to stop. It's their only weak point. Outside of blowing their Tomb Worlds to pieces with Exterminatus weapons, but there are - presumably - so many that even Szarekh hasn't found yet. Plus, some dynasties would be able to strike the Imperials with near impunity, such as Suhbekhar or maybe Oruscar. Or the dynasty that blows them up, more likely. Every second they get helps them infinitely more than their "allies"
I love how I'm willing to write paragraphs on this stuff but am comparatively useless in other lines of discussion XD
It would be interesting if just him inviting the Eldar emissary is enough to serve the Eldar Agenda by sowing under currents of discord of itself. Might be a good way to weaken the Mon Keigh without ever doing any other manipulations.
Maybe Emperor back in 30K did not really hate all xenos... Maybe they just had a lots of bad relations, Maybe due to Warp influence, yet he was still searching for allies. Maybe GurlyMan is looking to that also...
I think the Eldar specifically attacked humanity in its hour of weakness during the Age of Darkness and exacerbated their problems. The emperor remembers this and declared the Eldar a high priority enemy
@@joeblazer3429 It's weird, because during the time of the Age of Darkness the eldar were entirely uninterested in humanity. They were at the height of their empire's collapse, and were actively imploding in on themselves with whole planets falling into cannibalistic depravity and the craftworlds taking to the furthest reaches of the stars (Exodites had already left centuries if not millennia before). The eldar did not breach human space--humans likely breached aeldari space in their galaxy-spanning colonization attempts before the Warp went haywire and locked them all down. What Old Night humans might have faced of the eldar would be insane, pleasure-seeking marauders as the Aeldari Empire's actual military was entirely automated and unstoppably efficient (they'd been militaristically unmatched for tens of millions of years, after all). When Slaanesh was born and his birth-scream ripped the souls from 99.9% of all aeldari in the galaxy, the Warp finally calmed. The Eye of Terror opened, and the Emperor set about mopping up Terra to begin his Great Crusade to reunite humanity. The eldar weren't lying in wait for humans to be weak, they had their own massive problems and what attacked human-claimed worlds were likely little more than wandering pleasure-seekers.
As for current 40k, the eldar attack humanity the same way they've always attacked them: drukhari & corsair raids, with dips from Asuryani & harlequins here and there where Maiden Worlds or the like are threatened. The "eldar" are not a monolith, and the Craftworlds have no more control over what Commorragh does than the Imperium has control over what Chaos-tainted humans do. Corsairs are independent pirates. Even down to individual craftworlds, they function as entirely independent worldship-states who rarely actually agree and work together.
@@wendigo835 not a warhammer historian, but one of the videos I watched talked about dark eldar raiding some planet at the that time i think
Honestly, he could do worse these days. Making a temporary alliance with the Eldar and perhaps some parts of the T'au (the Enclaves most likely) to dunk on Chaos is not the worst idea ever concocted by the Imperium.
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I think this might lead to a defensive alliance with the Eldar as Chaos, Tyranids and Necrons have such an advantage.
The sad thing is, he can't just clean up the imperium. The longer he'd focus inwards on getting the imperium back on track, the more he'd risk breaking it and allowing foes from outside to lay siege to them.
He'd need to ally with tau, Eldari and possibly Necrons (or at least a non aggression pact) to buy himself the needed time to mop up the dirt in the imperium, or use these alliances to get rid of the unrelenting enemies to relieve the pressure for doing the cleaning later...
I think if they had an alliance in the lore that played into the table top game. More people would probably buy new eldar models to take along side space marines. it would be a wise choice for the sales department
Like 7th Edition’s allies matrix?
This will cause more problems, but the timing means that it will happen at a time of place og Guilliman's choosing. Had he waited longer, of revealed piecemeal he would have had different issues. Everyone whom would, or should object and potentially conspire again him got the dame message at the same time. No one can accuse him of secret conspiracy now to gain advantage as everyone now knows. He might have to deal with hundreds of plots to undermine him and the alliance, but that is far better than thousands of plots and he has made sure that there are many more layees of protection between himself and the Emperor should those pointy eared xenos try to play him too hard (player's gootta play, but Gulliman knows the game)
Narratively speaking, it seems logical for the Imperium and the Aeldari to ally themselves against chaos as well as the Tyranid and Ork threats.
I also think that GW might try a system of alliances like in AoS, where factions of the same alliance can fight together.
I think that would really cool! Team battles incoming! Lol
I still do not get why this is such an issue? Sure, an author wants to play up his story but if I am not mistaken there is a craftworld that gets a free escort through Imperium space whenever they need it. Also, doesn't Cawl have a partnership with a craftword too?
And why is any anti-Guilleman feelings in these novels a thing? He spoke to the Emperor, he has St. Celestine's support, he has Custodes support. Is anyone going to actively question the Emperor when by all accounts Guilleman has the Emperor's full support? Yeah, the Custodes were not 100% his supporters right off, but ONLY the Custodes know this, they are NOT gossiping it all over to anyone and everyone.
A Xenos being so high up the imperial command chain is unheard of
@@RayFog1 Unheard of or not, to any of his political opponents he has support of Custodes (Voice of the Emperor), St. Celestine (Emperor's something or other). has spoken to the Emperor, and is the son of the Emperor. Sure, we the readers know some of this is sus (or are being led to some being sus), but the average Imperium higher ups have zero clue. Custodes are not gonnna gossip and neither is St. Celestine. That is what I do not get about any of this. There are so many awesome directions stories could go in the current setting, why are they trying to hard to fabricate Game of Thrones type drama?
Dog this is warhammer 40k, literally every where you look is paranoia and suspiscion. Its why the Lamenters are still looked at as traitors, or why even those that talked to the emperor are looked at with contempt "what does he know about the god emperor, im more faithful then he is"
Because stupid drama and grimdark just for grimdark. No need to find logic here.
@@kccustodes2618 I guess ten thousand years of xenophobic indoctrination, makes breaking the news to people weren’t around during the Great Crusade a bit more dangerous, especially now that the ecclesiarchy is so powerful.
The Big G is lucky that if the Lion is the next to come back, he also was part of Secondus.
Well I mean on some level Gulliman just had recently dealt with the Horus heresy going to shit from the emperor keeping secrets from his commanders so he might just want to make sure he doesn’t do the same thing. Avoid someone important figuring it out on their own and doing something stupid.
Good point
Guilliman really needs to fix the imperium and ally it with the Tau as well as the Eldar for the good of the Galaxy. Humanity honestly is turning into a more technically impressive and more religious group of the Ork's at this point. The Tau if humanity was truly wanting to work towards the greater good and peace would in no way have qualms with fully becoming allies.
Logically both the Eldar and the Imperium need each other. Without the might of the Imperium the Orks, the Necrons, Chaos and the Tyranids would overrun the galaxy, as the Eldar are too few in number to stop one of them, let alone all. And the Imperium could do with one less enemy to deal with, allowing it to focus more resources on all the others. Logically Eldar farseers providing the Imperium with intel and even limited access to the Webway, would be a huge boon to the Imperium. Which is why exactly it won't happen as that would move the setting forward in a significant way. Can't have that, no sirree! It must always be kept ad infinitum of near Imperial collapse. Cause grimdark!
That’s the problem I think the 40k lore writers face. If they write the lore to have a hopeful progression then it doesn’t become grimdark enough and 40k loses it’s dark and gothic appeal. If they write a lore to be too hopeless then it’s becomes boring as well.
Can't have too much success for the forces of order and hope when you need eternal war to sell miniatures
@@grimgoreironhide9985 Honestly, and you might think I'm lame for this. I kind of hope (if warhammer whateverK ever does finish) it goes in the opposite direction of Warhammer Fantasy and lets order take the dub. I know it would ruin the grimdark for a lot of longterm fans, so I understand if they don't. But I think the horrific struggle that Warhammer 40K has been could make humanity's salvation and triumph all the sweeter in the end. It would make me feel hella good at least, lol.
An open alliance between the Imperium and Aeldari would be a wise decision, especially if it's out in the open. Maybe if the Imperium becomes more open to negotiating a truce between xeno races the T'au might consider aligning themselves with the Astra Militarum and the Mechanicus.
Elder and dark elder though is the problem. The imperium commanders see one race and don't forget about the elder pirate princes outside of both.
He is playing a very dangerous game. It's definitely risking a civil war if things get out of hand.
Deathwatch is punching air rn
His revelation will no doubt cause some problems throughout the Imperium. Especially the further it spreads across it. But he probably thinks that it is all something he will be able to deal with, as long he has the respect, trust and loyalty of everyone present to have faith in him.
And this open and honest discussion is the first step to earning it.
Also having an open working relationship with the Ynnari can lead to a steady decline in conflicts between Humans and Eldar across the galaxy. As long as they continue to set an example for the rest to follow.
I'm sorry. But I can't comprehend anyone who sees an Aeldari and isn't visited with the instantaneous and fiery urge to punch it in the face.
The Aeldari suck, but going out of their way to fight them is, IMO, a pointless waste of Imperium resources that could be better used elsewhere.
Insert "big tiddy Eldar girlfriend" joke here.
Gulliman is right tho, if Imperium wants, they can ruined Aeldari, if a few Valhallan Regiments can fight Aeldari forces from craft world Biel-tan to a stalemate, if even Imperium itself almost manage to destroy an Aeldari Craftworld without large imperium wide mustering, Than The Imperium are indeed capable to ruin Aeldari races and their remaining craftworlds here ( aside from dark eldar in commoragh)
All the factions suck. It's the nature of the genre.
But how do they suck?
@CommoraghRadio Who/what is the only faction to imperil their own immortal souls, in perpetuity, by being such hedonistic assholes that they accidentally created the god/goddess of "Bad Touch?"
Hey thank you for the spoiler warning! I’m only halfway through avenging son, and I’m excited to see how the centerpiece series for ninth edition goes!
Nice break point for loyalist armies. Are we looking for new break within?
I'm very curious if this is going to turn into a civil war with the Inquisition and if it's all a ploy by Tzeentch. The Primaris are a change of ways from first-born Astartes. Cooperation and secret alliances with xenos are certainly changes. Hell, Guilleman even coming back and taking over from the High Lords was a big change. Tzeentch hates Nurgle and Nurgle's minions have already had an act in this play with the Plague Wars.
I'm excited about what the 2 races can achieve together but it does fuel his detractors.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Guilliman's relationship with the Aeldari is him trying to gain some kind of access to the webway. It will absolutely end disastrously for both the Imperium and the Aeldari.
Theoretica: We have a common foe. (and they brought me back to life, have many other ways of fighting, etc.)
Practica: We ally against the common foe.
I stick with my Primarch. Courage and Honour!
RG- the only Primarch raised by a mother.
Other primarchs are an example of "motherless behavior with Daddy issues" 😂
He is getting the important people on his side, which would make the secret stand as well as generally making sure things went smooth if the Xenos were needed for a task on another ship.
Gulliman may not have met/worked with Eldrad but Alpharius/Omigon has...
From where is this? New to the 40k universe but those two has always caught my attention.
I think so did Fulgrim...? Or was it Magnus? One of the other traitors was "warned" by Eldrad but they freaked out instead of actually listening to his words.
@@dac314 fulgrim
@@pepperjack3777 for a dude who can see the future, Eldrad picked the wrong Primarch to approach about the coming Heresy.
@@dac314 yeah that's usually the main issue that comes up when you talk about a character that can see the future " oh why didn't they see that coming?" And the usual response is well they didn't get the whole picture only parts of it.
I mean Guilliman is playing a dangerous game. If eldar emotions are like 100x stronger than human emotions I can only imagine how Yvraine would be during the week of Khaine.
week of khaine?
😂😂😂😂
Is it possible that he knows the Necrons are coming back in force and the Empire alone does not have a chance?
From what I understand from my grandfather's books the Necrons have a burning hatred for the Eldar and considering the Eldar;s fall from grace they are a shadow of their might and could this be a case of.....
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
I think this would be an interesting story line or have I said the stupidest ever?
If Guilliman tries to bring back the imperial truth would he inadvertently destroy Big E’s power?
Yes and no. He would merely begin reverting the Emperor back towards his normal levels of power, which at he is still one of the most potent psychic forces in existence
At this time the imperium needs all the friends they can get to stop chaos
Guiliman is playing with fire, sure, but he simply have no other choice. Imperium as it is, way he approched it is gamble for be or not be mankind. When galaxy is on fire, there is no way you don't get burn while trying to safe it.
That’s great having a diplomatic relationship with them. It’s a waste of lives and resources fighting the imperium when they should focus on fighting chaos and trynids together.
A stable lasting alliance between the imperium and the Aeldari, is one of the best things for the galaxy, as the Eldar hold the key to truly defeating Chaos, yet don't have the power or unity to do so, well the imperium holds some of the greatest power in the universe, and have just as much to benefit from defeating Chaos, however they lack the means to do little more then banished demons to return back to the Warp and resurrect.
The "laspulse" rifle is a very important tool that will help us later! *Blues Clues with a Necron tech priest in the corner intensifies*
It all depends on who the next loyalist Primarch Games Workshop decide bring back.
In the armor of fate short story Guilliman speaks with Eldrad
Jaghatai khan: wait you haven't been romancing elves for new ship engines? I invented that tactic like 10000 years ago bro.
Guilliman: so that was what fulgrim was talking about.
There's a short story "The Armour of Fate" by Guy Haley where Guilliman get to meet Eldrad for a wee chat if im not wrong. And also there he imply they know each other well ...
Why? Better to reveal this secret on his terms and on his time table than like a tabloid expose.
Also, he should have brought Gabriel Angelos, chapter master of the Blood Ravens, in on this. His multiple dealings with the Aeldari could help with the situation.
I think it is a very bold political move and right one too because at this time imperium cannot hide the gulliman connection with eldari and also cleaserick already know about zenos connection with gulliman revival so when he told the truth to everyone in upper command section that mean he trust them and he want other trust him that's what he saying to everyone
Should check out the Armour of Fate short story if you have time Wolf, it breaks down the relationship Eldrad and Guilliman about his involvement in Guilliman's resurrection.
Pure speculation but I would say it's both after assessing the current state of things he realized tactically the Imperium was at a disadvantage. It is obvious from past references he is willing to use any tactical tool to gain advantage.
I dont know much about this event, but, I know well two things: great achievements were acomplished by taking risks and; some of the best moments in wh40k happend when the factions got together to face and undoubtly evil or chaotic force.
Dude can't get some eldar cheeks without half the galaxy being mad at him
That Yvraine kitty that good huh bro? Don't blame him.
I think that it is a right decision to create an alliance wit aeldari. For 1 - Roboute knows who his main enemy is(we all do). If he can at least stop that freakin' warp menace from making things worse throughout the imperium worlds, then all the sacrifices are worth it. On the other hand - a freakin' inquisition will always try to put some roadblocks on his way(along with deathwatch and other bloodthirsty xenophobic chapters). The main problem of imperium is that in their great conquest of being a superior and bright civilization, they keep forgetting that there are wars that NEED to be fought and wars that can be avoided. Yes - T'au and Aeldari (tier 3) are not their friends, but they are not necessary enemies. Tier 1 threats are chaos and tyranids. Tier 2 are nekrons, orks and dark eldari. Tier 3 (mentioned above) can be avoided or even reasoned with - cuz unlike tier 1 and 2 those are smart civilizations that just want to coexist(yes - they are militaristic and battle-hardened, but who wouldn't be at those dark times). I know that with all of the history of aeldari and the chaos, it will be hard for imperium to accept them as allies - but the olive branch is already given from aeldari side. It's time to decide - whether to be proud, knee-deep in blood but alone, or start making allies that can actually help you better the grim picture..
Did Guilliman dismiss the High Lords of Terra? I’ve only read the first two novels so far.
Squats are going to come in and fuck this up for everyone.
I wonder if he's testing the waters with his closest aides, but also to inform them so they can keep an eye on possible Aeldari manipulation. Hence the explicit statement to them (and to the Aeldari).
AND GUY HALEY IS A FREAKING LEGENDARY SAVAGE WHEN IT COMES TO WRITING THESE STORIES....I Finally Got Audible....and HOLY CRAP RHO MY BROTHER,!!! ITS LIKE A BUFFET TABLE ON A PLEASURE PLANET!!!
WHERE TO START AND WHAT AM I GONNA READ NEXT?? MIND 🤯
No, the Emperor was working with Eldar on the Web way Project. This would remove reliance on the Astronomicon.
by him revealing the aeldari, I thought he legit was like, people of the imperium, yes I am clapping xenos cheeks, they're not bad, they're our allies.