"My lord Primarch, how did you comprehend such a deep conspiracy within the Imperial Bureaucracy?" (Long stare.) "That is LITERALLY my schtick. Rogal built forts, Corax was a sneaky git, Leman was a viking wolfman, I comprehend and utilize paperwork."
I mean… The most powerful thing you can give an army is consistent supplies. And the most valuable thing you can give an empire, is strong administration. With good administration the people will defend the country, not you defending the country from the people.
“Paperwork. Orbital Paperwork” (Whistling as a massive pallet of papers and documents come hurtling out of the sky, right down on top of the high lords)
@@VJnarcoticvizion IIRC they origionally were about to kill the head of the Assassins high lord, when they were stopped on the vox and listened intently for a few moments before signalling for the Minotaurs to return to orbit and leave. As always they just blindly obeyed the minitaurum and someone was wise enough to tell them to GTFO so they did, but only after being ordered to. I don't recall them having any reaction or interactions with the fists or ultramarines in response to the assassinations; not like the Word Bearers being forced to kneel or something.
@jordanbauerly8843 Ahhh, so Robbie G was playing the long game. Break up all the Space Marine Legions into Chapters, enforce the limit on a religious level for ten millennia, and once everyone's following the rules that HE set, Rowboat returns with a Legion that no one could possibly hope to challenge. Brilliant move.
The Primarch who helped building the Imperium administration (and the inquisition partly) no less. This is more like trying to use Vulcan masterpiece to kill him
Considering Guillimen has already seen these events transpire once. It’s not really a surprise that he’d deal with it in a similar manner. He knew if he killed them outright they would more than likely become martyrs, he needed a reason. So he gave them a chance, and they blew it just as he expected.
Who would the high Lords of Terra be martyrs to exactly? The noble families of Terra? Nobody outside the palace even knows their names just the titles.
I just don't understand their logic. They don't even have to fully retire. Just surrender supreme authority to the Primarch. He is the only one left and the highest authority in the empire.
Except that the Primarchs aren't really Kings, they weren't meant to rule. The Space Marines were design by the Emperor to fight and die, like the Thunder Warriors before them.
I like to think that big blue didn't have to spend much time to see this coming and it only took him like 3 minutes of thinking to be 3 void whales ahead of these now dead high lords
@@gigatwin5298 Three minutes is like three weeks to a Primarch. Hours used to just plot navigational coordinates in his head on the spot rather than even bother to use the navi-cogitator. They are able to perfectly plan out a space voyage with all the effort it takes you and me to decide what we want for dinner. He probably took one glance at them and in that tenth of a second, not only knew who was going to betray him and how, but formed a counterplan for all of them and then swiftly focused on more important matters.
@@randomcenturion7264 oh im aware but I say 3 minutes because I doubt he was taking them seriously and was probably having a far more important conversation at the time and sketched out this plan on a napkin over a morning cup of coffee
I think Lord Solar Macharius would be fully capable of outsmarting a primarch were he still alive. Belisarius Cawl would too, considering he is already 10 steps ahead of guilliman.
You can outsmart Angron or Morty or Perty. Just not the consequence of it. Especially if you are a human. And no, I don't want to be on the same planet with any of these 3 when they are pissed even if they are butt naked and I'm on the other side of said planet
Thing is you probably could outsmart most Primarchs, generally the specialist Primarchs i.e Jagahti, Corax, Angron and others. The ones who are a warrior first, governor second could be beaten with very, *very* careful planning but my boy Robot Girlfriend? He's the guy who pulled the Imperium together post heresy
@@JosephStraughn Exactly, if the Primarchs were the physical manifestation of an aspect of the Emperor's personality then Guilliman would be the personification of His Political and Empire building aspect. Nothing more political than anticipating who will betray you and how they will go about it.
@@JosephStraughn I won't say the Khan or Corax are easy to outsmart. Both of them have used trickery more than a few times, they just prefer the conventional approach. But even if you can outsmart a primarch, you better do it from a safe distance because having an angry primarch chasing you is not healthy for your heart
The Grand Master of Assassins was just fulfilling his role. He knew that his role is to remove others whom go pass the limits of their only role in the Imperial. His title and position of power was always secure. He simply fulfill his task just like any other day.
Guilliman foresaw the betrayal of the High Lords because the situation is almost exactly how he lost his adoptive father (i.e. discontent Nobles, in this case, high lords, who decided to revolt while he was away on campaign).
@@Paul-cu9lu maybe it would have worked on one of the dumber primarchs, but we're talking about guilliman here. He's probably the second smartest dude when it comes to politics right behind horus.
So instead of intergrating themselves into the retirement home when Guilliman politely asked them , the high lords prefer to be intergrated into the fcking dirt? They should be grateful this is Guilliman ,the Lion, the Wolf or even the Raven wont allow them to have a choice Edit: There was a time in the middle of the heresy Guilliman was so tired of war and politics that he just wished that one day he could retire and do some farming in an agri world. The high lords have refused an offer that a primarch can only dream of. And they don't even deserve that kind of generosity. Just wondering what kind of animal Guilliman would like to have in his ranch
@@lt.branwulfram4794 And the Khan would have tied them to his bike and drag them across Terra. There is a long line of SM chapters who have a score to settle with the high lords. Imagine what will other primarchs feel should they hear what the high lords have done to their sons
@@vermin9190 He has the right balance. If he's too stubborn like Dorn or too aggressive and open like Russ, he will lose the diplomatic game. If he is too shady like Alpharius, nobody will like and trust him. Sometimes you have to compromise even when you don't want to
That's a well written story, having Guillliman allow the traitors to make their moves thinking they had the initiative and in turn removing not only the revealed traitors but buffing a huge deterrence for any future events.
I mean it's a good move but not really unexpected, we know the High Lords are just a bunch of incompetents and them betraying Gulliman has no real tension or stakes as we also know that Gulliman will easily deal with them. Which is a shame as the High Lords should be very talented men to have achieved and maintained their power for so long but if they were competent and a threat to Gulliman then the Imperium wouldn't be in such a dire state in the first place. GW kinda writing themselves into a corner with that one.
But the High Lords ruled since the Emperor formed them, while a primarch was never allowed to rule. Malcador almost crushed Horus' throat when this topic came up
I think it also showed the minotaurs that maybe they should reconsider who it is they work for, if they made enemies of him they would only exist for as long as guiliman allowed them.
I'm not surprised he didn't kill the High lords outright. Given that his origin story with Macragge. When Konor was murdered and his murderer tried to do the same to Guilliman, Guilliman confronted him in front of the ruling body, and while the senate was damned happy to let Guilliman murder the bastard - he turned around and said 'Nope. He needs a trial. Legality must be observed'. I mean, the dude came face to face with the man who murdered his adopted dad, and his first thought was to give him a trial. Which won over the ruling class showing that, in a moment of pure emotion, he was fair and law abiding in his acts. Not to mention, as another person pointed out, this was basically a repeat of that scenario, but Guilliman was its sole focus as opposed to being a two target job.
Good point. Guilliman is definitely the best person to address pretty much all of the Imperium's problems. While it will take a long time to ensure humanity is free from all threats, both internal and external, I feel relatively confident in his ability to do so.
@@FrostWolfPack Yeah, but its also a nature verse nuture sort of thing. And I was citing an example to show just how level headed a political leader and player Guiliman can be. He suffered the single most emotionally stressful event a person could (death of a beloved family member) but still maintained his calm - he was fucking livid, don't get me wrong, but his focus was no the law and justice through said law.
@@Aurora-313 He is also not fond of glory in war despite welcoming it. There is a passage in the unremembered empire novel where Guilliman and Lionel were teleported to Sotha, an agri world that was in the process development. They were in the middle of the heresy and have no way to return to Ultramar. In a short moment, Guilliman wished he could just simply retire in peace and do some farming while Lionel can't stand not doing anything no face bashing no head chopping. Guilliman was offering the high lords something that he himself wishes that one day he can earn it. They were foolish to refuse the gift that even a primarch can only dream to have. Imagine Guilliman was working with Perturabo, that could have save him from damnation. Then again, after running a ranch a while, Guilliman would probably gonna end up running the whole agri world because he can't stand other farms nothing doing maximum efficiency
One of those heads is the leader of the entire admech of mars ..... You saying gillaman should invade mars. For example ? The order of assassin's? The head psycher of the order etc ? Interesting
Yes. The Imperium needs a reform of leading officials. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Power held to long by singular individuals will always lead those individuals looking out for themselves over the needs of the wider Imperium.
@@theilluminator89 it wouldn’t work you’d first have to find allies within their orders that can take over afterwards or find allies within the lords themselves
Thinking you could wield the power and authority of the Administratum against the man who designed the whole system and was known as the most brilliant political and logistical mind among even the sons of the God-Emperor was a special kind of naive. They were doomed from the moment Guilliman first saw their corruption and lust for power on his return to Terra. He really is the best Primarch to have return first, no other could have dealt with the corruption and complexities of the modern Imperium the way he could, and he's smoothed the path considerably for any returning Primarch moving forward. I'm pumped to see who among the loyal sons GW brings back first. My gut says The Lion, but much as I love the Lord of the First, my heart wants Jaghatai or Russ.
I would love if the Lion returned next, he's an excellent military commander. With Guilliman fighting the plague wars and defending the southern half of the Imperium, it would leave Imperium Nihilism to the Lion to break the chaos forces in the north. Guilliman would be able to handle the politics and logistics, and the Lion leading military campaigns since he's not as tactful with statesmanship. I can't wait to see which loyal Primarch returns next though, I would honestly be happy with ANY of them returning!
I believe the Lion should return first. Bobby G may have seen the error in the codex, the lion's progeny would more than likely stand up a full 100k sm legion. His sons would gladly give up command to serve under the 1st Legion banner. Tactically and technically proficient, he should've been Warmaster.
gulliman is not best primarch becouse he is hypocrite and bad at his job plus he is by definicion traitor becouse he has hubris and thirst for power he didn't change
This reminds me of the War of the Beast, where Vulkan briefly returns and basically tells the High Lords of Terra, that if he would have the time for that, he would kill them all, because all their plotting, scheming and power plays is nothing less than betrayal.
Let me get this straight....... Power mad High Lords vs A returning Primarch? I don't want to be a dog in that fight, but I'm never going against a loyalist Primarch.....ever.
Not just any primarch either. But the one who's super power is empire building, organization, bureaucracy and plays the long game of anticipating threats to that empire like Miyamoto Musashi plays with swords.
Considering a Primarch can take a high calibur (FOR 40K) rifle round and proceed to chase the would be assassin with no care for said bullet? Yeah, surrender in the face of a Primarch isn't cowardice, it's a reasonable response.
@@boxtank5288 Konrad fought 10 space wolf alone and killed 1 and heavily injured another 3 before he escaped. Guilliman got ambushed by 10 Alpha legionaires without weapons and killed all of them before rescue came. And let not forget the average alpha legionaires are bigger than the average marine from other chapters. It can be concluded that the average primarch can take on 10 space marines and most likely will win. So yes, if want to fight a primarch, you better do it inside a titan and prey that said primarch isn't very good at infiltration ( like Konrad or Corax) or can just blast your Titan apart with his mind ( like Magnus) otherwise you will have your throat slitted or you just get fried on the pilot chair
My dear brother is consistently underrated because of badly written previous books and an underwhelming combative presence compared to the other Primarchs, but I believe he truly was the best loyalist Primarch to return first. The Imperium in this state would have broken if it had been managed by a warrior. But now that the political issues are under control and the shield of humanity has been mended thanks to Guilliman and Indomitus, it only needs the return of a true military leader to wield the sword. Preferably someone who has already ruled an Imperium with Guilliman in the past...
@@steffanyschwartz7801 It's fine, I have time right? I mean after all this foreshadowingit's not like an idiot with the personnality of an angry plastic spoon will just get out of the warp and beat me to the punch, right? Right?
G Man had the Emperor's blessing though, AND was doing what he instructed. They should've known acting against Guilliman and E's wishes could only fail. What were they thinking?
@@gyver8448 yeah, but i mean, if i was a Highlord and Primarch sent me to retirement home i would have simply enjoyed the stay (and i bet that was some uber-rich super-expensive home too) because thats a bloody PRIMARCH. Its not some dude you can fuck with.
@@MrVlad12340 It's also worth keeping in mind, none of these High Lords had ever met a Primarch before and they were used to getting whatever they wanted. I'm not surprised at all that they underestimated him. We see that a lot with Planetary Governors underestimating Astartes too.
They have lived for hundreds of years doing the same shit over and over again. Anyone would be bored out of that. Just imagine living that long… and then imagine the constant pain, the augmentations to make you live that long would cause(even if didn’t cause physical pain the mental burden would be horrific. And they have to experience that every second of their lives. Humans aren’t made to live that long in the first place so it’s probably lot more painful then we can imagine). On top of that imagine working 24/7. Their lives are as meaningless as it can be. They don’t care if they live or die. They care about the only thing they have… power and control. Take that away and they have nothing. It was always either die trying to get the power back or die without trying. At least that’s how I see it.
I would say the majority of the inquisition can be swayed with diplomatic options. One the majority has followed, either the rest have to follow the Primarch or get a night of the long knives
@@livingdaybyday3469 Trust me, I think their hunt for the fallen has already done enough damage to the imperium for one millennia. Giving them the resources and power of the entire inquisition would only make it worse. Maybe if the lion ends up returning and gives his legion a good enough spanking that they start behaving again I’d trust them but until then might as well just give it to the Grey Knights. Hell of all the chapters they are the only one that is actually apart of the inquisition (apart from Deathwatch). It’d only be right that they finally become their own masters.
this is a very elegant solution, and much in character with Guilliman, after all, had he kill them all intermediately would create more resentment, instead of looking like a bloodthirsty tyrant, would look like these traitors deserve it, and no big battle, no spectacle, just a few well placed execution sending a very clear message
The Minotaurs and Imperial Fists get along so well it borders on hostility...their battle doctrine, and the Greco-inspired motif. Yeah signs make one sus about if they are the bstrd offspring of Perty...when they get that reaction outta Rogal's kids.
"Okay. So. Guilliman was appointed Lord Commander of the Imperium by Rogal Dorn, yes?" "Yep." "And Rogal Dorn was appointed by the Emperor, yes?" "That's right." "And we obey the Emperor's decrees so single-mindedly that the Guard can't even use Predator tanks, yes?" "That is indeed correct." "So you're basically saying that the Emperor is wrong, because you think his direct line of succession should obey you." "Errr..." "How did you think this was going to end in any way except badly?"
@@aliastheabnormalAnd if it weren't thanks to the Emperor and his loyal sons, they would have to be fist fighting Horus by themselves. These guys have as much chance winning a fight against Horus as they are against Guilliman
@@sturm9087 No, they would be fist fighting chaos cultis and corrupted AI. And yes, they would be fighting corrupted AI from the dark age of technology with only some dinky lasgun because without the Emperor, humanity wouldn't be able to retrieve most it remaining technology
Tzeentch approves of this complicated plot lol A man pets a stray animal, his small pleasure feeds Slaanesh. A woman strikes a crying baby, that terrible elation she feels feeds Khorne. A munitorium drone considers suicide and Nurgle grows fat on his despair. A commander plans a bloodless victory and Tzeentch is content. The gods crave nothing but satisfying their hungers, intentionally or not, we are just meat for the beast.
I mean if Bobby G is turned out to be the traitor, he would've followed Tzeentch instead of being undivided like Lorgar or Perturabo, also replacing Magnus despite of him being the ultimate psyker next to Emperor himself
Last time I was this early The High Lords of Terra were old men , and naw.......... they still are old men! G Man is just scarred of being mean to the elderly!
Well unlike most of the other Primarchs, Guilliman has an adoptive mother to teach him to politely ask people when he want something. And a father whose death teach him to always carry a knife should said people respond with a middle finger
@@randomcenturion7264 There are plenty of good weapons in the Imperium yet Guilliman still carry a small Gladius by himself. He learned the lesson from the Assassination attempt by the alpha legion during the heresy. He was ambushed by 10 space marine while being naked without his power armor. All he had was a bolt pistol and a Gladius. They really need to make a power shank for Guilliman
The minute I heard that 12 assassins were “missing” in paperwork I knew gorilla man was scheming. The primearch of paperwork doesn’t miss out on paperwork schemes.
It's Guilliman, not Lorgar or Malcador. Guilliman wrote a book about inefficent outdated tactics because he was butthurt that Alpharius and Corax were better at solving conflicts than himself. To be fair, he did say that the Codex should be updated if a new enemy presents itself, but still...
@@TheBayzent the Codex isn’t outdated tactics it’s literally a guideline for any/all kinds of tactics so his blueberries can at least be competent in any situation.
@@davidbowles7281 I'm pretty sure they just distributed like 6 legions in Primairis. And even if that's little for the entire Imperium, that's still overkill for just the Sol system.
@@peterpan4962 That's nothing a couple WMDs won't eliminate. Even a legion is pitifully small if you think about it. GW should have retconned marine numbers a while ago.
@@davidbowles7281 last time I checked 20(well 18) legions supported by a few billion common soldiers where enough to conquer the entire galaxy. And those where of a inferior breed, to repurpose a Ironman quote, "There is no version of this where the High Lords come out ontop". And that's forgoing the entire "im the son of your god" angle Guillimen could have used as well. Technically he's Space Jesus at this moment.
Guilliman pulling a Magnus right there. Also, he managed to decapitate the corruption in the highest order of the Imperium without looking machiavelian. He knew some High Lords had to be killed, but couldn't do it outright, so he just laid a trap that gave him an excuse to kill them all in an instant.
Roboute Guilliman had already done that before he was found by the Emperor; Back when the oligarchs of Macragge staged a coup against Konor Guilliman, after Roboute crushed the uprising, he instead let the fate of the detractors be decided by democratic process...
He didn't need to act himself. Others, in his absence, did everything without his inputs. As planned. But the people don't know it. Traitors tried to boot the Avenging Son, loyalists cleaned out house BEFORE the Primarch could be involved or bothered.
You forgot the part when the Minotaurs decided to fight, and a certain high lord perhaps threatened to reveal their origin as Iron Warriors successors, and so they ran with their tails between their legs.
Love this part because it shows Guilliman as the statesman he is. For pity's sake, the guy dealt with this sort of selfish entitled nobility growing up on Ultramar when his first father was murdered. Letting the High Lords live honors the Primarch's intent to create a better Imperium, one that is not simply cycles of bloody coups and wars *cough* Vandire* *cough* It also has the practical effect of luring out the corrupt elements rather than letting them run and hide and be a later threat as well as keeping good PR. To say nothing of the aspect of any traitor worrying what tricks Guilliman has up his sleeve still. Much for effective than simply butchering them all and trotting off, however direct and effective that would have been.
pretty much, killing them of the bat would have caused resentment and others that will plot more carefully to take power, killing them by giving them their own ropes to hang themselves like that? ya nobody is gonna think about betrayal for a while.
The high lords thought they were playing 3d chess but guilliman was playing Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker
I love how Guilliman gave the High Lords a chance to reform themselves, to live their lives peacefully, while also tying their nooses and readying the executioner.
The statement about Roman Emperor's is a controversial one, especially since it is clearly talking about Nero. There are two versions of the story, one panders to the people in the Senate which say Nero set Rome aflame, the other more honest story is that Nero was a man of the people and not of the Nobility who set his men into the blaze to see how many lives could be saved. Nero's story is a rather sad one from beginning to end, the Senate propped him up on false charges to try to control him only for Nero to take his own life, and then the Senate shat themselves because there was no one left of Caesar's line to be Emperor. Ironically, there is a parallel there, between Nero's story and what these traitor High Lords intended for Guilliman. And of course, the Captain-General of the Custodes and the head of the Assassinorum would be loyal to Guilliman, so long as Guilliman has the benefactor in and regency of the Emperor. After all, as Lord Commander of the Imperium, Guilliman is the only one besides the Emperor that has absolute command over the Assassinorum. Still, you cannot help but wonder what would happen, if it was Russ or the Lion that made a comeback.
@@Nah_Bohdi Which ironically... comes from the perspective of one legally acknowledged being attempted arrested by those not in legal favour given the circumstances.
@@Fordo007 Maybe. I don't know much about the later Roman Empire except there were civil wars, all I know is that its reformation into the Holy Roman Empire was set up by Charlemagne post-5th Century.
The whole lives and history has consisted of "Choosing Poorly." It's kind of sad that Horus is slightly vindicated that regular humans can't be trusted to rule, since it took a Primarch like Guliman to get shit done again.
@@randomcenturion7264 but Horus is the reason for that, it all about the incentives and since the heresy wiped out the primarchs it made the high lord's without a counter balance making their corruption inevitable
the last lines of the book Trajan to Valerian giving him a message to tell Guilliman "‘You may tell him, in that case, that all is well on Terra,’ he said. ‘You may tell him that all unfolds according to his designs.’"
Well, to be fair, Guilliman's reforms was strictly against the Lex. They had a solid case for fighting against a very possible Horus 2.0.... (as they perceived it)
I can't help but fantasise about a duel between Moloc and Tor Garadon, just loosing their marbles and going at it at full tilt... simultaneously, dedicated strike force of Guilliman's own, handpicked Primaris specialist unit, could be deployed to assail an assassination force of the ordo assassinorum on some remote asteroid, while the 'corporate', Minotaur Astartes and Astra Militarum forces battled Ultramarines and Imperial Fists forces, almost breaking them, until finally, the Custodes step in and sort them out like it's nobody's business. A man can dream...
This Primarch wrote a book that could predict enemy tactics and tailor your strategies to counter them. Which was used for thousands of years. You want to go against him in the flesh? These Lords were so arrogant in their belief of superiority.
By the way, Corvus isn't technically dead. I'm...kinda wondering about him though. I hope we see that primarch again, even if he's some kind of demon now.
Guilliman has been through this once already when his father was killed in macrage as he was away fro the planet, the first part he didn't expect it, now he not only has seen what the high lord do and how they have been running thing he was like "this ain't my first rodeo kids"
To be fair, these guys have probably never seen a Primarch in action before. I can understand why they may not have realized just how in over their heads they were.
@@randomcenturion7264 technically so did Guilliman, he just waited for the punishment to come after the crime, the Lion would have scoffed at the due process.
The Lion is an idiot when it comes to diplomacy ... here let me send my adoptive father who had thoughts of betraying me to our recruiting world and not talk to him for 40 years. Genius.
This is currently my favorite series. Chris Wraight is so good. The pacing and structure of the novels with each chapter a different protagonist's point of view is entertaining and masterfully done.
Not surprised by the Grandmaster of assassin's being on the same side as a Primarch. After all, the original Master of Assassin's was Malcador. Assuring the Loyalty of the officio assassinorum was probably the first thing Guilliman did upon returning to Terra and after the events of 'The Beheading' no doubt the Custodes kept a Very close eye on them.
Not knowing how this story was going to go, my first thought was "There's no way these guys should be able to out-fox Guilliman and Valoris together. This has to be something they planned for, even nurtured, to get all the traitors to reveal themselves." So glad to be right!
@@Stein871 Cuz 4 years and a mortal mind vs a fictional super human and functionally all the time in the world makes for a big difference in capability. I don't normally like talking politics on non-political videos, but here we are. Trump was up against "The Establishment" which has people on both parties, and is pretty much the political majority. Love or hate him, Trump could never really get much done with literally everyone in his way.
@@Cha-Khia he still has his "trump card", the executive order from 2018. They just need to prove that a foreign nation had a hand in manipulating votes, a single person that has say, recieved chinese money and participated in the counting of votes will allow him to invalidate the election results.
@@kimeli define real proof, math alone disqualifies biden. Biden got around 8.27 million votes from non existing voters because 67% out of 219 million eligible to vote cast a ballot and last I checked 74+81 = 155 not 146.73. This video alone is enough to invalidate the results in Georgia. ruclips.net/video/hhV5_JlAhZ0/видео.html the timeline of biden's vote spike is dead on with the time stamp on the cctv camera. 40000 people voted twice in Nevada, 39000 ballots were damaged or had no identification marks but still, they were accepted. 9000 dead people voted in Nevada. If the media eouldn't be bought and paid for by the democrat party and the CCP and they did some actual journalism maybe they would come to the same conclusion. What about Michigan, where they are ignoring a subpoena to provide the voting machines for an audit? If they had nothing to hide, they would say yes. I can go on and on, but not even video proof was enough for you lunatics.
Yess! Thank you Rho! The epic conusion! I also didnt see that twist coming, man that was so good. I would love it if you continue to cover the watchers of the throne series
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"My lord Primarch, how did you comprehend such a deep conspiracy within the Imperial Bureaucracy?"
(Long stare.) "That is LITERALLY my schtick. Rogal built forts, Corax was a sneaky git, Leman was a viking wolfman, I comprehend and utilize paperwork."
That's why he is so dangerous
He is the one primark who can process all the paperwork and utilize the full power of the Imperium of Man
I mean… The most powerful thing you can give an army is consistent supplies. And the most valuable thing you can give an empire, is strong administration. With good administration the people will defend the country, not you defending the country from the people.
@@jamesricker3997 AKA, the guy who reads everything in every Ts and Cs
It's not the most inspiring, but for big picture situations accept no substitutes.
@@Memelord1117 Such a power can not be comprehended by mortal men, and yet I want it.
Guilliman: Ah how cute, I see you brought a full chapter.
Highlords: And what did you bring!?
Guilliman: A Legion.
“Paperwork. Orbital Paperwork”
(Whistling as a massive pallet of papers and documents come hurtling out of the sky, right down on top of the high lords)
Did The mighty Minotaur chapter knelt to The Primarch? Or defied him?
@@VJnarcoticvizion honestly am waiting for Gman to give them the same treatment the imperium gave the blood angels before Sanguinius met them
@@VJnarcoticvizion IIRC they origionally were about to kill the head of the Assassins high lord, when they were stopped on the vox and listened intently for a few moments before signalling for the Minotaurs to return to orbit and leave. As always they just blindly obeyed the minitaurum and someone was wise enough to tell them to GTFO so they did, but only after being ordered to. I don't recall them having any reaction or interactions with the fists or ultramarines in response to the assassinations; not like the Word Bearers being forced to kneel or something.
@jordanbauerly8843 Ahhh, so Robbie G was playing the long game. Break up all the Space Marine Legions into Chapters, enforce the limit on a religious level for ten millennia, and once everyone's following the rules that HE set, Rowboat returns with a Legion that no one could possibly hope to challenge.
Brilliant move.
Random Imperial citizen: "We have High Lords on Terra?"
Gulliman: " You Had High Lords on Terra."
xD
What the hell were the High Lords of Terra thinking trying to stage a coup against Guilliman the Primarch of Administration?!
It's like trying to outrun Jaghatai, sneak up on Corvus or out drink Leman (and even The Emperor can't do that last one.)
@@randomcenturion7264 A coup against against Guilliman?
I would rather challenge Nids to an eating competition.
The Primarch who helped building the Imperium administration (and the inquisition partly) no less. This is more like trying to use Vulcan masterpiece to kill him
Old men who had POWER for far too long, that can't handle transition.....
Makes you think....😏🤭
well they tride
Considering Guillimen has already seen these events transpire once. It’s not really a surprise that he’d deal with it in a similar manner. He knew if he killed them outright they would more than likely become martyrs, he needed a reason. So he gave them a chance, and they blew it just as he expected.
He gave them the rope to hang themselves and the paper to write out their treason for all to see clearly.
I just wrote the same thing in a big ass paragraph haha shiit the one time I don’t scroll down to the comments first and write a book.
Tzeentc had been watching with great interest
@@cosuinofdeath we all stumble, friend.
Who would the high Lords of Terra be martyrs to exactly? The noble families of Terra? Nobody outside the palace even knows their names just the titles.
"Authority is not given to you to deny the return of the King, Steward!" -Gandalf the White
"The rule of the Imperium is OURS! And none others" -The High Lords of Terra
I just don't understand their logic. They don't even have to fully retire. Just surrender supreme authority to the Primarch. He is the only one left and the highest authority in the empire.
This guillotine would disagree.
@@e.m.p.3394 That's greed for ya.
Except that the Primarchs aren't really Kings, they weren't meant to rule. The Space Marines were design by the Emperor to fight and die, like the Thunder Warriors before them.
Traitor High Lords: "You will be removed from power!"
Gulliman: "Its treason then..."
Also Gulliman: "Execute Order 66."
It will be done my Lord.
"its is treason the..."
BBUUAUAAAAGAGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
*cryinge sword spining*
It will be done mi lord
Then call betrays guiliman with the primarius
@@javiermichel7097 I love this 😅
They really should have figured out that a Primarch would be three void whales ahead.
For a normal person, they would now this. These are the High Lords, we are talking about. They are stupidity, arrogance and insanity made manifest.
Thanks, now i want to know what the hell a void whale looks like now.
I like to think that big blue didn't have to spend much time to see this coming and it only took him like 3 minutes of thinking to be 3 void whales ahead of these now dead high lords
@@gigatwin5298 Three minutes is like three weeks to a Primarch. Hours used to just plot navigational coordinates in his head on the spot rather than even bother to use the navi-cogitator. They are able to perfectly plan out a space voyage with all the effort it takes you and me to decide what we want for dinner.
He probably took one glance at them and in that tenth of a second, not only knew who was going to betray him and how, but formed a counterplan for all of them and then swiftly focused on more important matters.
@@randomcenturion7264 oh im aware but I say 3 minutes because I doubt he was taking them seriously and was probably having a far more important conversation at the time and sketched out this plan on a napkin over a morning cup of coffee
While fully aware that millennia has past it still amazes me that so many believe they can out-smart and out-maneuver a Primarch.
I think Lord Solar Macharius would be fully capable of outsmarting a primarch were he still alive. Belisarius Cawl would too, considering he is already 10 steps ahead of guilliman.
You can outsmart Angron or Morty or Perty. Just not the consequence of it. Especially if you are a human. And no, I don't want to be on the same planet with any of these 3 when they are pissed even if they are butt naked and I'm on the other side of said planet
Thing is you probably could outsmart most Primarchs, generally the specialist Primarchs i.e Jagahti, Corax, Angron and others. The ones who are a warrior first, governor second could be beaten with very, *very* careful planning but my boy Robot Girlfriend? He's the guy who pulled the Imperium together post heresy
@@JosephStraughn Exactly, if the Primarchs were the physical manifestation of an aspect of the Emperor's personality then Guilliman would be the personification of His Political and Empire building aspect. Nothing more political than anticipating who will betray you and how they will go about it.
@@JosephStraughn I won't say the Khan or Corax are easy to outsmart. Both of them have used trickery more than a few times, they just prefer the conventional approach. But even if you can outsmart a primarch, you better do it from a safe distance because having an angry primarch chasing you is not healthy for your heart
The Grand Master of Assassins was just fulfilling his role. He knew that his role is to remove others whom go pass the limits of their only role in the Imperial. His title and position of power was always secure. He simply fulfill his task just like any other day.
Look cool doing it.
and even though he agreed with them he still went against them because he believes in the law
Real Question is-where were the Iquisition fot this whole time? Ordo Hereticus?!
Except Guilliman who gets a free pass as our new mary sue.
@@graeme5932 Except Guilliman is NOT a mary sue.
Guilliman: Congratulations. You played yourself.
The high lords were not smart or loyal.
" You are accused of corruption and anti imperial behavior, the lord commander judged you guilty and sentence you to exterminatus"
@@freddymcshreddy6586 in powered idiots going against a demi-god, an actual son of the Emperor. They really didn't want change it seems
@@Needler13 some madlads prefer an unchanging present
Guilliman foresaw the betrayal of the High Lords because the situation is almost exactly how he lost his adoptive father (i.e. discontent Nobles, in this case, high lords, who decided to revolt while he was away on campaign).
The hilarious part is they thought for a nanosecond that they were smarter. They clearly had no idea who they were fucking with.
Yes, not even a chance
@@Paul-cu9lu maybe it would have worked on one of the dumber primarchs, but we're talking about guilliman here. He's probably the second smartest dude when it comes to politics right behind horus.
@@MionMikan behind the emperor, Horus just had that paternal charisma. He was more a warlord than a king
@@Beadlayer69 there is no different save the title.
So instead of intergrating themselves into the retirement home when Guilliman politely asked them , the high lords prefer to be intergrated into the fcking dirt? They should be grateful this is Guilliman ,the Lion, the Wolf or even the Raven wont allow them to have a choice
Edit: There was a time in the middle of the heresy Guilliman was so tired of war and politics that he just wished that one day he could retire and do some farming in an agri world. The high lords have refused an offer that a primarch can only dream of. And they don't even deserve that kind of generosity. Just wondering what kind of animal Guilliman would like to have in his ranch
The Lion would disembowel them and vaporise them with a plasma pistol, Russ would take their heads and Corax would tear them to shreds.
@@lt.branwulfram4794 And the Khan would have tied them to his bike and drag them across Terra. There is a long line of SM chapters who have a score to settle with the high lords. Imagine what will other primarchs feel should they hear what the high lords have done to their sons
That’s true that’s why guilliman is a force to be reckoned with when it comes to politics and administration.
@@vermin9190 He has the right balance. If he's too stubborn like Dorn or too aggressive and open like Russ, he will lose the diplomatic game. If he is too shady like Alpharius, nobody will like and trust him. Sometimes you have to compromise even when you don't want to
For the Lion!
That's a well written story, having Guillliman allow the traitors to make their moves thinking they had the initiative and in turn removing not only the revealed traitors but buffing a huge deterrence for any future events.
True. Well tritten story indeed
@@areohdee4562 Ahhhh the green Legend, one even Gork & Mork bend the knee to. Lol
I mean it's a good move but not really unexpected, we know the High Lords are just a bunch of incompetents and them betraying Gulliman has no real tension or stakes as we also know that Gulliman will easily deal with them. Which is a shame as the High Lords should be very talented men to have achieved and maintained their power for so long but if they were competent and a threat to Gulliman then the Imperium wouldn't be in such a dire state in the first place. GW kinda writing themselves into a corner with that one.
But the High Lords ruled since the Emperor formed them, while a primarch was never allowed to rule. Malcador almost crushed Horus' throat when this topic came up
I think it also showed the minotaurs that maybe they should reconsider who it is they work for, if they made enemies of him they would only exist for as long as guiliman allowed them.
I like to think the Emperor let out a little smile when all those traitorous heads exploded.
It is said the Emperor's Companions heard a sound at that moment, a quiet one, imperceptible to all but their superhuman senses: A snort of laughter.
I thank you both from the bottom of my heart for putting these images in my mind. Lol.)
Big E: "yey"
Emporer: *gentle snort of laughter* atta boy
Emperor know the chaos gods emotionel power so he just say its done
This is what happens when you're not around godlike beings for 10 millennia. You begin to believe in your own superiority.
All governments, if they endure, tend toward aristocratic forms.
I'm not surprised he didn't kill the High lords outright. Given that his origin story with Macragge. When Konor was murdered and his murderer tried to do the same to Guilliman, Guilliman confronted him in front of the ruling body, and while the senate was damned happy to let Guilliman murder the bastard - he turned around and said 'Nope. He needs a trial. Legality must be observed'. I mean, the dude came face to face with the man who murdered his adopted dad, and his first thought was to give him a trial. Which won over the ruling class showing that, in a moment of pure emotion, he was fair and law abiding in his acts.
Not to mention, as another person pointed out, this was basically a repeat of that scenario, but Guilliman was its sole focus as opposed to being a two target job.
Good point. Guilliman is definitely the best person to address pretty much all of the Imperium's problems. While it will take a long time to ensure humanity is free from all threats, both internal and external, I feel relatively confident in his ability to do so.
Well Guilliman is empire builder and his trainig and raising was on very advanced world so he has that political tack to do what he does.
@@FrostWolfPack Yeah, but its also a nature verse nuture sort of thing. And I was citing an example to show just how level headed a political leader and player Guiliman can be. He suffered the single most emotionally stressful event a person could (death of a beloved family member) but still maintained his calm - he was fucking livid, don't get me wrong, but his focus was no the law and justice through said law.
@@Aurora-313 He is also not fond of glory in war despite welcoming it. There is a passage in the unremembered empire novel where Guilliman and Lionel were teleported to Sotha, an agri world that was in the process development. They were in the middle of the heresy and have no way to return to Ultramar. In a short moment, Guilliman wished he could just simply retire in peace and do some farming while Lionel can't stand not doing anything no face bashing no head chopping. Guilliman was offering the high lords something that he himself wishes that one day he can earn it. They were foolish to refuse the gift that even a primarch can only dream to have. Imagine Guilliman was working with Perturabo, that could have save him from damnation. Then again, after running a ranch a while, Guilliman would probably gonna end up running the whole agri world because he can't stand other farms nothing doing maximum efficiency
OG scenario is rip off of one of the Caesar's speeches to senate
Take the heads of each high lord. Don't have to worry about losing your power if you already lost your head..
One of those heads is the leader of the entire admech of mars ..... You saying gillaman should invade mars. For example ?
The order of assassin's?
The head psycher of the order etc ? Interesting
Yes. The Imperium needs a reform of leading officials. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Power held to long by singular individuals will always lead those individuals looking out for themselves over the needs of the wider Imperium.
Just send the blood Ravens. To Tera n the take all relics. N the war is over
@@belimenkospanagiotis3591 That would be too simple. Just steal their leaders lol.
@@theilluminator89 it wouldn’t work you’d first have to find allies within their orders that can take over afterwards or find allies within the lords themselves
High Lords: We declare.........REBELLION!
Big Bobby G: *cocks bolter* This ain't my first rodeo ........
*ULTRAMARINE CHANT INTENSIFIES*
*"EAT SOUP THE MIGHTY SOUP"*
*Casting fist intensifies*
@@minhducnguyen674 I CAST FIST!
Big Bobby G! I like that
High Lords were playing checkers. Guiliman and the Custodes have been playing 3D chess the whole time.
Nah bro, the Custodes were playing Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip-Poker
Pffft, 3D Chess... more like they were playing Go.
@@vsGoliath96 That's a simple child's game though... ;)
@@isaiahgrey2458 Everyone's a card.
@@isaiahgrey2458 everything is simpler when you’re a primarch
Officio Assasinorium kills all the other high lords
Me: "Hey I seen this one before"
Wait this time or the other times
**Flashback**
THANNNNNEEEEEEEE!!!!!
It's basically his job to be in the conference and report to his real boss.
To be fair, wether Vandire or Guilliman, offing the High Lords from time to time is a good idea, given the circumstances.
Good thing they were all genestealers
As Ferrus Mannus once said "keep your friends rich, your enemies rich and wait to find out which is which".
Why would you want to make your enemies rich?
@@ShadowbladeZZ Because you dont know who is which
@@ShadowbladeZZ ruclips.net/video/izc-iNdLWtU/видео.html
I believe Ultron said the same in Avengers 2.
@@1vandread He did, but it was Tony Stark (Ferrus Mannus) who came up with the phrase.
Thinking you could wield the power and authority of the Administratum against the man who designed the whole system and was known as the most brilliant political and logistical mind among even the sons of the God-Emperor was a special kind of naive. They were doomed from the moment Guilliman first saw their corruption and lust for power on his return to Terra.
He really is the best Primarch to have return first, no other could have dealt with the corruption and complexities of the modern Imperium the way he could, and he's smoothed the path considerably for any returning Primarch moving forward. I'm pumped to see who among the loyal sons GW brings back first. My gut says The Lion, but much as I love the Lord of the First, my heart wants Jaghatai or Russ.
Having Corax back would really give the Imperium a second wind.
I would love if the Lion returned next, he's an excellent military commander. With Guilliman fighting the plague wars and defending the southern half of the Imperium, it would leave Imperium Nihilism to the Lion to break the chaos forces in the north. Guilliman would be able to handle the politics and logistics, and the Lion leading military campaigns since he's not as tactful with statesmanship. I can't wait to see which loyal Primarch returns next though, I would honestly be happy with ANY of them returning!
I believe the Lion should return first. Bobby G may have seen the error in the codex, the lion's progeny would more than likely stand up a full 100k sm legion. His sons would gladly give up command to serve under the 1st Legion banner. Tactically and technically proficient, he should've been Warmaster.
gulliman is not best primarch becouse he is hypocrite and bad at his job plus he is by definicion traitor becouse he has hubris and thirst for power he didn't change
@@whiteeye9584 what?
This reminds me of the War of the Beast, where Vulkan briefly returns and basically tells the High Lords of Terra, that if he would have the time for that, he would kill them all, because all their plotting, scheming and power plays is nothing less than betrayal.
I love Vulkan just because he's so damn human also he's a sweetheart deep down.
An angry vulkan is a dangerous vulkan
@@WaltuhDaWhitethe man towers over other primachs
Guilliman and basically all space marines: *COWABUNGA IT IS*
Let me get this straight.......
Power mad High Lords vs A returning Primarch?
I don't want to be a dog in that fight, but I'm never going against a loyalist Primarch.....ever.
Not just any primarch either. But the one who's super power is empire building, organization, bureaucracy and plays the long game of anticipating threats to that empire like Miyamoto Musashi plays with swords.
Bullshit. The dogs in that fight are an angry chihuahua puppy up against a full grown kangal.
@@declanstoeckel2244 But does the Chihuahua even know that it's about to be ripped to shreds because it's never been in that situation?
Considering a Primarch can take a high calibur (FOR 40K) rifle round and proceed to chase the would be assassin with no care for said bullet? Yeah, surrender in the face of a Primarch isn't cowardice, it's a reasonable response.
@@boxtank5288 Konrad fought 10 space wolf alone and killed 1 and heavily injured another 3 before he escaped. Guilliman got ambushed by 10 Alpha legionaires without weapons and killed all of them before rescue came. And let not forget the average alpha legionaires are bigger than the average marine from other chapters. It can be concluded that the average primarch can take on 10 space marines and most likely will win. So yes, if want to fight a primarch, you better do it inside a titan and prey that said primarch isn't very good at infiltration ( like Konrad or Corax) or can just blast your Titan apart with his mind ( like Magnus) otherwise you will have your throat slitted or you just get fried on the pilot chair
Damn, they really tried pulling a fast one on pappa smurf in his own village.....
Papa Smurf: Not In My House!
Assassins don't just go missing where the Primarch of Admin is concerned. Who did they think they were dealing with, Angron?
Alpharius: "I'm a smart schemer."
Valoris: "Hold my Misericordia."
Valoris: "...I am Alpharius."
Big E: "that's my boy!"
@@hydradominatus3641 Emperor: "You can drop the act Valoris, Guilliman is now here."
Valoris: *removes Alpharius armor*
@@lkvideos7181 Gullimen picks up armor: "Thanks for keeping it warm for me."
🤯
@@hydradominatus3641 That would end badly for Guilliman ^^
Imagine saying "You think you've got it rough, well I..." to Conrad Curze.
Or "You won't like me when I get angry" to Angron.
My dear brother is consistently underrated because of badly written previous books and an underwhelming combative presence compared to the other Primarchs, but I believe he truly was the best loyalist Primarch to return first. The Imperium in this state would have broken if it had been managed by a warrior.
But now that the political issues are under control and the shield of humanity has been mended thanks to Guilliman and Indomitus, it only needs the return of a true military leader to wield the sword. Preferably someone who has already ruled an Imperium with Guilliman in the past...
Please awaken my brothers need our gene father
Yes, my primarch must return... both of them
OK, good. But how do we awaken Sanguinius? He is kind of dead, remember?
Hey lion, how’s it like being in a coma?
@@steffanyschwartz7801 It's fine, I have time right? I mean after all this foreshadowingit's not like an idiot with the personnality of an angry plastic spoon will just get out of the warp and beat me to the punch, right? Right?
G Man had the Emperor's blessing though, AND was doing what he instructed. They should've known acting against Guilliman and E's wishes could only fail. What were they thinking?
Power corrupts, unfortunately. They went from having near unlimited power to being sent to the retirement home and they didn't want to lose that.
@@gyver8448 yeah, but i mean, if i was a Highlord and Primarch sent me to retirement home i would have simply enjoyed the stay (and i bet that was some uber-rich super-expensive home too) because thats a bloody PRIMARCH. Its not some dude you can fuck with.
@@gyver8448 this is literally TTS taking down the inquisition but canon
@@MrVlad12340 It's also worth keeping in mind, none of these High Lords had ever met a Primarch before and they were used to getting whatever they wanted. I'm not surprised at all that they underestimated him. We see that a lot with Planetary Governors underestimating Astartes too.
They have lived for hundreds of years doing the same shit over and over again. Anyone would be bored out of that. Just imagine living that long… and then imagine the constant pain, the augmentations to make you live that long would cause(even if didn’t cause physical pain the mental burden would be horrific. And they have to experience that every second of their lives. Humans aren’t made to live that long in the first place so it’s probably lot more painful then we can imagine). On top of that imagine working 24/7.
Their lives are as meaningless as it can be. They don’t care if they live or die. They care about the only thing they have… power and control. Take that away and they have nothing.
It was always either die trying to get the power back or die without trying.
At least that’s how I see it.
An attack on Robute is an attack on the emprah.
Me, seething in Baalite: *_"FFFFFFFFUCKING HORUSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!"_*
Mah Emprah! Hahahah
Now, can we have a war to reform the Inquisition led by like the space wolves or something?!
Yes Space wolves
I would say dark angels because they really need something to do and space wolves are probably going to Armageddon again in full force
I would say the majority of the inquisition can be swayed with diplomatic options. One the majority has followed, either the rest have to follow the Primarch or get a night of the long knives
@@livingdaybyday3469 Trust me, I think their hunt for the fallen has already done enough damage to the imperium for one millennia. Giving them the resources and power of the entire inquisition would only make it worse. Maybe if the lion ends up returning and gives his legion a good enough spanking that they start behaving again I’d trust them but until then might as well just give it to the Grey Knights. Hell of all the chapters they are the only one that is actually apart of the inquisition (apart from Deathwatch). It’d only be right that they finally become their own masters.
Just wait until russ returns XD
this is a very elegant solution, and much in character with Guilliman, after all, had he kill them all intermediately would create more resentment, instead of looking like a bloodthirsty tyrant, would look like these traitors deserve it, and no big battle, no spectacle, just a few well placed execution sending a very clear message
The Minotaurs and Imperial Fists get along so well it borders on hostility...their battle doctrine, and the Greco-inspired motif. Yeah signs make one sus about if they are the bstrd offspring of Perty...when they get that reaction outta Rogal's kids.
"Okay. So. Guilliman was appointed Lord Commander of the Imperium by Rogal Dorn, yes?"
"Yep."
"And Rogal Dorn was appointed by the Emperor, yes?"
"That's right."
"And we obey the Emperor's decrees so single-mindedly that the Guard can't even use Predator tanks, yes?"
"That is indeed correct."
"So you're basically saying that the Emperor is wrong, because you think his direct line of succession should obey you."
"Errr..."
"How did you think this was going to end in any way except badly?"
A bunch of greedy old men against the man who fist fought Horus fucking Lupercarl. Did they really think they could get away with it?
@@aliastheabnormalAnd if it weren't thanks to the Emperor and his loyal sons, they would have to be fist fighting Horus by themselves. These guys have as much chance winning a fight against Horus as they are against Guilliman
@@minhducnguyen674 well I mean to be fair if it werent for the emperor they wouldn’t have had to fight horus either
@@sturm9087 No, they would be fist fighting chaos cultis and corrupted AI. And yes, they would be fighting corrupted AI from the dark age of technology with only some dinky lasgun because without the Emperor, humanity wouldn't be able to retrieve most it remaining technology
when did emperor decree the guard cant use predator tanks?
***rebellion fails
***somewhere in the galaxy Gulliman smiles just as planned
***Tzeench weirdly liked that
Tzeentch approves of this complicated plot lol
A man pets a stray animal, his small pleasure feeds Slaanesh.
A woman strikes a crying baby, that terrible elation she feels feeds Khorne.
A munitorium drone considers suicide and Nurgle grows fat on his despair.
A commander plans a bloodless victory and Tzeentch is content.
The gods crave nothing but satisfying their hungers, intentionally or not, we are just meat for the beast.
@@widdershins5383 ah fellow heretic I see you're a man of true culture
So do the Emperor and Malcador.
@@thesandviwich HERETIC BURN IN HOLY FIRE
I mean if Bobby G is turned out to be the traitor, he would've followed Tzeentch instead of being undivided like Lorgar or Perturabo, also replacing Magnus despite of him being the ultimate psyker next to Emperor himself
Last time I was this early The High Lords of Terra were old men , and naw.......... they still are old men!
G Man is just scarred of being mean to the elderly!
Imagine if Leman Russ came back first instead of Bobby G. I guarantee you the Wolf King would been far less forgiving of these old goats.
@@randomcenturion7264 they would have been.... dead ..... ! For sure!
Well unlike most of the other Primarchs, Guilliman has an adoptive mother to teach him to politely ask people when he want something. And a father whose death teach him to always carry a knife should said people respond with a middle finger
@@minhducnguyen674 Now THAT is good parenting in action.
@@randomcenturion7264 There are plenty of good weapons in the Imperium yet Guilliman still carry a small Gladius by himself. He learned the lesson from the Assassination attempt by the alpha legion during the heresy. He was ambushed by 10 space marine while being naked without his power armor. All he had was a bolt pistol and a Gladius. They really need to make a power shank for Guilliman
The high lords should resign and learn to code/say prayers to the omnissiah.
kek
Praise the omnissiah
The Phalanx may not have been able to stand up against the traitors fleet but Tor Garadon’s chin can take them out in one hit.
Just Park it on their palace, not hovering above but directly on top of it. One you have flatten the area you can build something more useful on it
Bruh, That Chip Hazard lookalikes chin is exterminatus grade.
The minute I heard that 12 assassins were “missing” in paperwork I knew gorilla man was scheming. The primearch of paperwork doesn’t miss out on paperwork schemes.
Idk how they thought they could out maneuver the dude who literally wrote the book on Imperial politics
It's Guilliman, not Lorgar or Malcador. Guilliman wrote a book about inefficent outdated tactics because he was butthurt that Alpharius and Corax were better at solving conflicts than himself.
To be fair, he did say that the Codex should be updated if a new enemy presents itself, but still...
so do you get off on being wrong and dumb in public or something because i cannot see any other reason why you'd intentionally be this stupid
@@TheBayzent the Codex isn’t outdated tactics it’s literally a guideline for any/all kinds of tactics so his blueberries can at least be competent in any situation.
@@dustindubbo2892 right, the codex has worked for 10k years. its a handy book to have and its great to fall back on and model off of.
They forgot their history.
Yeeeee Challange a Primarch who just reinforced the entire Empire with Space Marines 2.0, High Lords got a death wish apperantly.
Old slezvy men who think way to highly of themselves. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Its true for the 40k universe as its true for us.
There aren't enough space marines to matter on a galactic level.
@@davidbowles7281 I'm pretty sure they just distributed like 6 legions in Primairis. And even if that's little for the entire Imperium, that's still overkill for just the Sol system.
@@peterpan4962 That's nothing a couple WMDs won't eliminate. Even a legion is pitifully small if you think about it. GW should have retconned marine numbers a while ago.
@@davidbowles7281 last time I checked 20(well 18) legions supported by a few billion common soldiers where enough to conquer the entire galaxy.
And those where of a inferior breed, to repurpose a Ironman quote, "There is no version of this where the High Lords come out ontop".
And that's forgoing the entire "im the son of your god" angle Guillimen could have used as well. Technically he's Space Jesus at this moment.
Guilliman pulling a Magnus right there.
Also, he managed to decapitate the corruption in the highest order of the Imperium without looking machiavelian. He knew some High Lords had to be killed, but couldn't do it outright, so he just laid a trap that gave him an excuse to kill them all in an instant.
Roboute Guilliman had already done that before he was found by the Emperor; Back when the oligarchs of Macragge staged a coup against Konor Guilliman, after Roboute crushed the uprising, he instead let the fate of the detractors be decided by democratic process...
@@ProcyonDei Not democracy, just a "fair trial" in the Senate.
He didn't need to act himself. Others, in his absence, did everything without his inputs. As planned.
But the people don't know it.
Traitors tried to boot the Avenging Son, loyalists cleaned out house BEFORE the Primarch could be involved or bothered.
You forgot the part when the Minotaurs decided to fight, and a certain high lord perhaps threatened to reveal their origin as Iron Warriors successors, and so they ran with their tails between their legs.
Love this part because it shows Guilliman as the statesman he is. For pity's sake, the guy dealt with this sort of selfish entitled nobility growing up on Ultramar when his first father was murdered.
Letting the High Lords live honors the Primarch's intent to create a better Imperium, one that is not simply cycles of bloody coups and wars *cough* Vandire* *cough*
It also has the practical effect of luring out the corrupt elements rather than letting them run and hide and be a later threat as well as keeping good PR. To say nothing of the aspect of any traitor worrying what tricks Guilliman has up his sleeve still. Much for effective than simply butchering them all and trotting off, however direct and effective that would have been.
Yup
pretty much, killing them of the bat would have caused resentment and others that will plot more carefully to take power, killing them by giving them their own ropes to hang themselves like that? ya nobody is gonna think about betrayal for a while.
And Guilliman 10,000 lightyears away has a smirk on his face.
That is some hard core shit Guilliman.
Thug life.
The high lords thought they were playing 3d chess but guilliman was playing Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker
The twist with the grand master of assassins took me by surprise, a 100% great read. Don't sleep on this series y'all!
I love how Guilliman gave the High Lords a chance to reform themselves, to live their lives peacefully, while also tying their nooses and readying the executioner.
This reminded me of Guilliman's backstory, I'm glade Grandpa Smurf learned from history.
I wonder how a Sister of Silence argues with someone. Must be a furious tirade of sign languages.
And gesturing of hands. Similar to a slapfight i think.
Probably with a bolter or lasgun
Pointed fingers. Middle ones mainly.
The Silent Treatment obviously.
The statement about Roman Emperor's is a controversial one, especially since it is clearly talking about Nero. There are two versions of the story, one panders to the people in the Senate which say Nero set Rome aflame, the other more honest story is that Nero was a man of the people and not of the Nobility who set his men into the blaze to see how many lives could be saved. Nero's story is a rather sad one from beginning to end, the Senate propped him up on false charges to try to control him only for Nero to take his own life, and then the Senate shat themselves because there was no one left of Caesar's line to be Emperor.
Ironically, there is a parallel there, between Nero's story and what these traitor High Lords intended for Guilliman.
And of course, the Captain-General of the Custodes and the head of the Assassinorum would be loyal to Guilliman, so long as Guilliman has the benefactor in and regency of the Emperor. After all, as Lord Commander of the Imperium, Guilliman is the only one besides the Emperor that has absolute command over the Assassinorum. Still, you cannot help but wonder what would happen, if it was Russ or the Lion that made a comeback.
I AM THE SENATE!
@@Nah_Bohdi Which ironically... comes from the perspective of one legally acknowledged being attempted arrested by those not in legal favour given the circumstances.
If not Nero then certainly the 3rd Century Western Roman Empire Emperors... Honorious... Valentinian III...
@@Fordo007 Maybe. I don't know much about the later Roman Empire except there were civil wars, all I know is that its reformation into the Holy Roman Empire was set up by Charlemagne post-5th Century.
nero is evl.
High Lords: We rebel!
Guilliman: That’s cute.
The high lords have chosen poorly
The whole lives and history has consisted of "Choosing Poorly."
It's kind of sad that Horus is slightly vindicated that regular humans can't be trusted to rule, since it took a Primarch like Guliman to get shit done again.
@@randomcenturion7264 but Horus is the reason for that, it all about the incentives and since the heresy wiped out the primarchs it made the high lord's without a counter balance making their corruption inevitable
Damn... gave me chills when I heard that guilliman orchestrated everything! 🤯🤯🤯
the last lines of the book Trajan to Valerian giving him a message to tell Guilliman "‘You may tell him, in that case, that all is well on Terra,’ he said. ‘You
may tell him that all unfolds according to his designs.’"
Seems guilliman finally learned something from the lion.
13:53 I would disagree, if they cared about their lives then they would not power play a primarch of all people, let alone Roboute Guilliman.
but its also about the power. They dont want to just live, they want to be in control.
@@LiveLuckyGaming that is a good point.
Guilliman: (laughs in Roman)
I always thought of ultramar as a hybrid of Greece and Rome.
@@ryanjoncas5146 *Rome* was a hybrid of Greece and Rome...
"Lord Guilliman, you won't believe what happened while you were gone!"
"Oh, that."
Guilliman out here playing 4D chess 😳😂
Robute is the chess master of 40k, several moves ahead of his opponents.
Well, to be fair, Guilliman's reforms was strictly against the Lex. They had a solid case for fighting against a very possible Horus 2.0.... (as they perceived it)
I can't help but fantasise about a duel between Moloc and Tor Garadon, just loosing their marbles and going at it at full tilt... simultaneously, dedicated strike force of Guilliman's own, handpicked Primaris specialist unit, could be deployed to assail an assassination force of the ordo assassinorum on some remote asteroid, while the 'corporate', Minotaur Astartes and Astra Militarum forces battled Ultramarines and Imperial Fists forces, almost breaking them, until finally, the Custodes step in and sort them out like it's nobody's business. A man can dream...
Robute Guilliman, primarch of excel sheets and word documents
Was waiting for this second video
Same
Robby G while clapping Yvrainne's cheeks: YOU HAVE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD
This Primarch wrote a book that could predict enemy tactics and tailor your strategies to counter them. Which was used for thousands of years. You want to go against him in the flesh? These Lords were so arrogant in their belief of superiority.
Roboute = Reversed Caesar
Or Caesar but he's not the one getting stabbed
@@thecommentguy9380 you mean doesn’t get stabbed again
Guilliman definitely has several Reverse Uno Cards in his deck.
and Yvraine is a Cleopatra, right?
eyyy minotaurs really are loyal to the imperium(high lords of terra)
I really hope their entire chapter gets destroyed by literally every other loyalist chapters.
@@ethanguest3438 I’m taking that you don’t like the Minotaurs
@@thatoneguardsman8458 didn’t they wreck Lamenters? That would explain the salt from Minotaur haters completely
@@thatoneguardsman8458 even less than the marines malevolent because at least the marines malevolent are honest about what they are.
@@ethanguest3438 Their minis are badass tho
By the way, Corvus isn't technically dead. I'm...kinda wondering about him though. I hope we see that primarch again, even if he's some kind of demon now.
Corax is in the warp hunting the bitch lorgar himself
He's a daemon primarch that has Raven traits and, as of currently, is probably flying around Lorgar's tower wanting to jumpscare him.
Currently lore explicitly said that he is a daemon now. Not a corrupted daemon, just daemon.
Malcodor: (sigh) Valacor get the mop! Its Tuesday again!
Funny thing is that they tried to coup on someone who already dealt with two civil wars, the latter in which a literal massive clusterfuck.
Guilliman has been through this once already when his father was killed in macrage as he was away fro the planet, the first part he didn't expect it, now he not only has seen what the high lord do and how they have been running thing he was like "this ain't my first rodeo kids"
For a second there I thought that was a picture of Dorn.
That'd be only in the best timeline.
It's been a while that I had such a good rollercoaster of emotions while listening to a story, thank you.
"Discontents among Terra's Lords. In 41' millenium there is only war. No one is content." Head of Lannesterium house.
I really can't wait for the Minotaurs video(s).
Imagine the High Lords thinking they could outsmart any Primarch. Let alone Roboute Guilliman.
They could probably do it to Angron
@@drakor98 a brain dead servitor can outsmart Angron. Damn, an ogryn... no, a meatball that ogryn ate for lunch can outsmart Angron.
Someone should have sent a little history of primarchs to the high lords before they thought it was a good idea to take one on, in any capacity.
Or in this case, literally the single worst Primarch to take on in a war of political scheming
Big brain Guilliman
"Tzeentch giggle noises".
And lo it came to pass that in the year 50M42 the High lords of Terra did fail to check themselves and so did most utterly wreck themselves.
The high lords are playing checkers while Guilliman is out here playing 5D chess.
They really thought they would stand a chance against the Primarch of the Blueberries?
To be fair, these guys have probably never seen a Primarch in action before. I can understand why they may not have realized just how in over their heads they were.
Oh man. Can the Lion just show up? It'd be really interesting to see how he'd handle it.
The Lion would've had High Lords, the Minotaurs and every other idiot who thought this little rebellion was a good idea purged.
@@randomcenturion7264 technically so did Guilliman, he just waited for the punishment to come after the crime, the Lion would have scoffed at the due process.
@@gwilym1991 True. Imperium Secondus taught us all how loosely The Lion believes the rules apply to him.
He would have fucked everything up. The High Lords challenged the absolute worst opponent possible for them in Roboute.
The Lion is an idiot when it comes to diplomacy ... here let me send my adoptive father who had thoughts of betraying me to our recruiting world and not talk to him for 40 years. Genius.
This is currently my favorite series. Chris Wraight is so good. The pacing and structure of the novels with each chapter a different protagonist's point of view is entertaining and masterfully done.
Not surprised by the Grandmaster of assassin's being on the same side as a Primarch. After all, the original Master of Assassin's was Malcador. Assuring the Loyalty of the officio assassinorum was probably the first thing Guilliman did upon returning to Terra and after the events of 'The Beheading' no doubt the Custodes kept a Very close eye on them.
Oof... probably one of the best videos WolfLord Rho. It sends shivers to see the swings of power hierarchies.
Not knowing how this story was going to go, my first thought was "There's no way these guys should be able to out-fox Guilliman and Valoris together. This has to be something they planned for, even nurtured, to get all the traitors to reveal themselves." So glad to be right!
I can't believe th high lords are turning against alphar-huhum i mean! Roboute Guilliman!
(redacted)
Imagine trying to plot and rebel against the administrator lol
They were pretty so far up on their on asses to think they could outsmart a primarch. They were not even playing the same game.
Bout time girlyman drained the swamp✊🏻
If only Trump did the same in the last 4 years, now he got backstabbed by his own party
@@Stein871 Cuz 4 years and a mortal mind vs a fictional super human and functionally all the time in the world makes for a big difference in capability.
I don't normally like talking politics on non-political videos, but here we are.
Trump was up against "The Establishment" which has people on both parties, and is pretty much the political majority. Love or hate him, Trump could never really get much done with literally everyone in his way.
@@Cha-Khia he still has his "trump card", the executive order from 2018. They just need to prove that a foreign nation had a hand in manipulating votes, a single person that has say, recieved chinese money and participated in the counting of votes will allow him to invalidate the election results.
@@Stein871 but will there be proof? real proof?!
@@kimeli define real proof, math alone disqualifies biden. Biden got around 8.27 million votes from non existing voters because 67% out of 219 million eligible to vote cast a ballot and last I checked 74+81 = 155 not 146.73. This video alone is enough to invalidate the results in Georgia. ruclips.net/video/hhV5_JlAhZ0/видео.html the timeline of biden's vote spike is dead on with the time stamp on the cctv camera. 40000 people voted twice in Nevada, 39000 ballots were damaged or had no identification marks but still, they were accepted. 9000 dead people voted in Nevada. If the media eouldn't be bought and paid for by the democrat party and the CCP and they did some actual journalism maybe they would come to the same conclusion. What about Michigan, where they are ignoring a subpoena to provide the voting machines for an audit? If they had nothing to hide, they would say yes. I can go on and on, but not even video proof was enough for you lunatics.
Man, shivers down my spine! Thank you for that.
High Lords of Terra rebelling:
“Wait...that’s heresy”
My man wrote the book for politics and those kids really think to play gullyman like that
G man: I have returned
High Lord's: *sweats heavily*
Yess! Thank you Rho! The epic conusion! I also didnt see that twist coming, man that was so good. I would love it if you continue to cover the watchers of the throne series