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So true. Growing up Paul Pierce was my favorite player and the media respected tf out of him for staying with Boston and changing his game to win a chip...no one remembers that now, they just clown him for the DWade take and dont remember how amazing of a player he was. 16 years of a career defined by 1 moment for millions. Hurts my soul
That’s Pierces fault. It also wasn’t one moment. 1) his team was trash and Doc almost got fired until they got KG and Ray Allen. 2) As good as that squad was they could only get one ring but act like they are a dynasty. 3) Pierce just comes off looking dumber and dumber throughout the years. Thinking he’s better than he really is. He’s not on Dwade or Kobes level. Draymond checked him on that. Also getting fired for that social media incident with the strippers didn’t help him either.
@@propper50 I understand Penny and Tmac for non Basketball fans. But shaq is in so many ads and is always talked about alongside Kobe so he would still be relevant
It's a dumb take. How would 1 more ring make lebron the goat? The only pass lebron gets is for losing to the kd warriors twice. And the one time when he lost to the spurs without a squad in CLE. He lost to Dallas and spurs with wade and bosh. He lost to the warriors with kyrie and klove. And while on the Lakers with AD and westbrook that's somehow not enough? To make the playoffs??
@@grizzlymac-tighthe’s just saying as time passes people forget about players but they remember how many rings a mf got so bron getting a ring def makes a difference in the long run
I think this is true for fans who only follow sports thru social media. It's too bad that the focus is so narrowed in when there's hundreds of great players who've made an impact on the game
Not real talk. Cuz real basketball fans talk about other players they watched growing up and had respect for. I still have conversations where tmac, Jefferson, miller, snow, muorning, Gilbert, AK-47, and others that I watch growing up names come up.
@@badcompany403 shiiit just this last week i was talking about Pistol Pete Maravich 😂 I talk about T mac almost every time a player is popping off in crunch time down by double digits.
Nope doesn’t matter if he got three more rings he’s never been greatest and there are plenty of players they remember and talk about it’s just those he mentioned are anointed due to hip hop culture and bias insinuations
He’s really not talking about people who grew up in those generations, he’s speaking as a whole. My children have never heard of anyone from the past but the people he just mentioned..💯💯💯
That’s a boy he’s making, the people who know basketball yeah you know all of the green stuff like that. But even some of the people like Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson and Penny Hardaway are not known by your average person who only knows I’m basketball in passing. Basically the five people he mentioned all the people that Normies know
@@eatshityoutube3271that’s like I you ask someone about a famous golfer to people who don’t watch golf. They’re gonna say maybe 1 or 2 names,that doesn’t disqualify all the others though
@@tomazvibe4042 that's totally outside the point bro lmfao let's talk about your favorite ice cream while we are changing subjects. My favorite is rocky road
yeah...its the same in life....in communities...even in families....everyone can't possibly get equal amount of recognition.....althoughs players..I've definitely talked about with fellow sports fans now and again
He’s my all time favourite player. No matter how many other players I consider, I always come back to Tracy. Another player I really like is Baron Davis. NBA history would have been written differently if players like T-Mac, B Diddy, B Roy and Grant Hill had been luckier with injuries.
Imagine if Orlando could’ve had all 3 at least for a season…Ik penny and tmac play the same position or close to it but just imagine penny at the 1, tmac at the 2 or 3 & Shaq in the paint…omg smh
I’m in DC too. In all of the circles. (Not saying that you aren’t, just dialoguing). He is not really remembered like that. Especially for how big he was at one time. The commercials, dating Tyra Banks, playing along side Shaq. Shit Steve Francis, Juan Dixon, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Mutombo, Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison, Juwan Howard are barely remembered. I get what he’s saying.
@@C.I.A_OP_DestoryBlacks it’s the truth take Duncan for example you know who he is he’s talked about a little but still pretty forgotten for how good he was
The ones who changed the way the game is played today are the ones who are most memorable and talked about. It's always going to be MJ, Kobe, and LeBron in the goat conversation. The others who get mentioned a lot(not about being the goat) are Bird, Iverson, and Magic..that's about it. Curry will be mentioned like those 3 but not the same category with MJ, Kobe, and LeBron. At this point those 3 are untouchable based off what I keep seeing everywhere lol
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@Cliptomaniac nobodys talking bout them in general tho that's not the point, why would t mac and penny be brought now for what reason exactly??? Bron is still making goat Cases and steph slowly creeping in top 10 and his shooting skyrocketing his legacy n popularity
@@SHINO3U-K0CH0 Lebron and steph are better and still playing so of course they are going to be talked about more. T-mac scored 13 pts in 33 seconds and it still gets talked about. I also saw him in commercial not to long ago. No one has forgotten Penny or t-mac. Shaq was an awful example because even if he wasnt on tv he'd still be talked about as the best big man.
I’m 46 and never really thought about this this. He is absolutely right! Most retired players just become the “oh yeah” player when you remember them. He mentioned Shaq. if Charles Barkley wasn’t on TV, we might forget. Kenny definitely would be forgotten!
He's the best example of what he's talking about. TD has what? 5 championships I believe and yet since he wasn't larger than life, or did crazy shit, or talked alot of trash he doesn't get mentioned. He was purely fundamentals and bad drip.
Nah. I’ll never forget. My people talk basketball every day. Big O, Larry, Magic, Scottie, Dennis, Hakeem, Mahmoud, Steve Franchise, Isiah, DERRICK ROSE, Rasheed, Penny, Dirk, Chris Webber, KG, Tim Hardaway, Dwight, Reggie Miller, Big Dog, White Chocolate, Rain Man, Carmelo, Dame, Stockton, The Glove, Westbrook, Dr. J, Dominique, Jason Kidd, Ewing, Nash, Vince, Timmy, I can go on forever. These guys will never ever be forgotten in my opinion. Basketball changed my life.
I recently realized just how true this is when trying to come up with my all time top 10. I have Hakeem Olajuwon number 9 all time and despite his defensive greatness and having a signature move to go along with 2 chips and 2 FMVPs, I almost forgot about him because nobody ever brings him up despite how great he was.
Lol. Dude literally brought up my 2 favorite players. Penny and T-Mac. People talk about them enough for them not to be forgotten. Unfortunately it usually hinges around what could have been if not for injuries.
Makes me tear up bc ppl don’t remember prime Dwade, rose, Ray Allen, Dirk etc. from like 06-13 basketball to me reached it’s pinnacle and most of the dudes who dominated aren’t remembered or talked about💯
I've argued that for years. Imo, the only reason people say Tim Duncan is the undisputed PF goat is coz Malone doesn't have rings. Mailman was a beast...
he spittin facts but idk about the shaq part. You can't separate the player from the media personality. Even if he never stepped foot in the tnt studio. Shaq is part of the culture. He's like the snoop dogg of basketball. May not be the greatest, but he was a fucking moment. Top 5 fun players to watch, dude had a run. He's definitely in the same tier of of AI in terms of being remembered
@@Saulsexz It's not about the story, it's about how interesting and unique you are. LeBron is like a lot of other players. They have similar stories, similar personalities, and the only difference is that he's a lot better than them.
Yes, that's life, and we might only be talking about Curry and James bc they're still playing, only talking about Bryant bec he's Rip and only talking about Jordan bec the shoes
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God loves us all so much! There is only true happiness in the Lord Jesus Christ! John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” The price for sin is death but someone has already paid that price and he is Jesus! Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” The only way to salvation is Jesus and nobody else! John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” God bless all of you and I pray that whoever sees this will turn to Christ. 🙏 ❤️
That's why KD's rings saves him. But the bum thinks he is criticized that much. Of course, those rings are given to you, but 20 years from now, it will save you. Nobody would remember or care that much, kids will only see 2x champion 2x fmvp, so he has to be grateful because it saves him. Although he's not one of the greatest.
Agree to disagree with a LeBron goat debate. Even if LeBron 7. He would be 7-13 in the finals. 6-0 still looks better. Unless you quantity over quality. But that must be a generation thing
It doesn't matter how many more rings lebron gets he's not gonna be the goat in my opinion... I didn't like bron until he made the unselfish choice to chase rings in Miami which i thought he would never do in that moment so it made me change the way i look at him so i like bron now but those Miami teams had no business losing to any team at those times period... So he should have just as much if not more rings then Jordan which would have made more of an argument for him to be the goat but he lost to the mavs and the spurs I'm sorry but the spurs shouldn't have beat Miami period so i rest my case
Bruh this is so dumb. He's acting like we talk about those guys ONLY for their greatness. The reason we talk about them is because of recency bias, nothing else to it.
Exactly you talk about Penny but you don’t see ESPN or any other sport network talking about him being the greatest constantly like they do with MJ or Lebron or who was a killer like Kobe.
@@akaurfear I don’t care what ESPN has to say but obviously if they talk about is because they are talking to the masses. Ratings dictate and are the majority or else they would be talking about Penny. Im not saying your opinion is invalid. All i’m saying that for the masses penny doesn’t matter.
@@pluq2k904 whoa you saying that but you missed the part where he went up against bill russel who at any given time had at least 6 HOF on his team one year he had 11 with em vs wilt and his nobodys and of all the times wilts faced them in the playoff he lost by a total of like 9 points combined
Depends on who you talking to. We have those conversations all the time. Might not be on RUclips but people have those conversations. Just another opinion.
He said "may" not be talking about Shaq. And he's right. The basketball heads obviously would but when's the last time you heard someone off the street say Tim Duncan's name in a Top 15? Even though he was one of the most consistent players of all time.
GOAT of that Era since y’all can’t comprehend. I never saw MJ play he can’t be my GOAT, so we go by ERAs and dominance. You have the MJ era, Shaq Era, Kobe Era and LeBron Era of course (theirs more going back.)The GOAT conversation is muddy because how can your GOAT be somebody you never seen play? Makes no sense, I saw Kobe get all of his rings he’s my favorite and would be considered My GOAT if you asked me. Why do NBA PLAYERS say a different name when they are asked who’s the GOAT. Why is it even a thing that if LBJ gets 5 rings then he may be considered the GOAT in some NBA players Eyes. Same thing Paul Pierce and KG said… “LBJ is the GOAT now since he’s the NBA all time leading scorer..” That’s personal opinion. It’s too many GREATS too label one the GOAT.
@@reeseromeo6 i never had to read ur declaration of independence. the goat is THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. like we're losing the essence of that bc yall wanna be dramatic n shit. (bron d goaot btw, now GREATEST OF ALL TIME THAT IS, not jus his era 😭)
"Where the Hell is Tim Duncan" -Giannis
Point proven
Duncan is constantly mentioned in the Top 10 list.
😂😂😂😂
He is in the Hall Of Fame!
@@2cents250 they dont talk about him alot, i hearing Iverson morr often even he doesnt have any championship
Speaking the sad truth😢😢
@@C.I.A_OP_DestoryBlacks Bruh yes
Nah bro if ur a nba fan u know every player and what theyve contributed to the league this a cap 🧢
They're very well off hard to see it as sad
No he’s not lol
Fr
Bro's probably the most realistic player in the NBA
Listen to what he said on the king of the court part. Bruh cocky and humble at the same time
@@richierich4330 you gotta be cocky sometimes
@@richierich4330 That's called confidence fam. The perfect storm.
@@richierich4330 you don’t get to his exact level without that cocky and confident attitude look at Kobe and Mike they were that exact way too
Tmac was insane can't even lie
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One of the more underrated players in the history of the nba imo, like dinwiddie said, people forget about him 😢
One of the purest hoopers in NBA history for sure
@@KingDami1999 one of if not best scorer ever
Him & for some reason Eddie jones was my favorite players
So true. Growing up Paul Pierce was my favorite player and the media respected tf out of him for staying with Boston and changing his game to win a chip...no one remembers that now, they just clown him for the DWade take and dont remember how amazing of a player he was. 16 years of a career defined by 1 moment for millions. Hurts my soul
The truth was cold.
Draymond green solidify Paul pierce for the next coming decades when he said something about his last nba season
That’s Pierces fault. It also wasn’t one moment. 1) his team was trash and Doc almost got fired until they got KG and Ray Allen. 2) As good as that squad was they could only get one ring but act like they are a dynasty. 3) Pierce just comes off looking dumber and dumber throughout the years. Thinking he’s better than he really is. He’s not on Dwade or Kobes level. Draymond checked him on that. Also getting fired for that social media incident with the strippers didn’t help him either.
@@jeffdaman6969 sounds dumb. He is on dbooty level. Better than him
@@jeffdaman6969 donkey is a bum, who cares what he think
Dinwidde is so educated and he knows what he is talking about
Facts
Thats just common sense not education at all… yall mfs comments just for likes i swear 😂
Ehh maybe a below average nba fan lol he named 5 players and said shaq out of anyone if he wasn’t on tv would be forgotten. I just don’t buy that.
Cap
@@propper50 I understand Penny and Tmac for non Basketball fans. But shaq is in so many ads and is always talked about alongside Kobe so he would still be relevant
Dinwiddie with the perfect takes once again
It's a dumb take. How would 1 more ring make lebron the goat?
The only pass lebron gets is for losing to the kd warriors twice. And the one time when he lost to the spurs without a squad in CLE.
He lost to Dallas and spurs with wade and bosh. He lost to the warriors with kyrie and klove. And while on the Lakers with AD and westbrook that's somehow not enough? To make the playoffs??
@@grizzlymac-tighthe’s just saying as time passes people forget about players but they remember how many rings a mf got so bron getting a ring def makes a difference in the long run
@@grizzlymac-tight u slobbin 🍆
@@grizzlymac-tight please shut your casual ass up
@@grizzlymac-tight I disagree. While I think MJ is the GOAT. Another ring for LBJ adds to his GOAT argument for some, so his take is correct
Dinwiddie so real. Need more like him
1.4k likes lemme fix that i know i am 3months late tho
His whole point was probably the most well articulated, thought out statement i’ve heard from an NBA player. Perfect outlook on todays game
You probably read coloring books then.
I am Shumpert??
@@LegacyFTW Shump got some good takes for sure, not sure he’s ever made a point as good as this one though
Dinwidee keeping you real as hell , welcome to Lakers my boy . Make it your home , we need people like you
Real talk what this brother said💯
I think this is true for fans who only follow sports thru social media. It's too bad that the focus is so narrowed in when there's hundreds of great players who've made an impact on the game
Not real talk. Cuz real basketball fans talk about other players they watched growing up and had respect for. I still have conversations where tmac, Jefferson, miller, snow, muorning, Gilbert, AK-47, and others that I watch growing up names come up.
@@badcompany403 shiiit just this last week i was talking about Pistol Pete Maravich 😂 I talk about T mac almost every time a player is popping off in crunch time down by double digits.
Nope doesn’t matter if he got three more rings he’s never been greatest and there are plenty of players they remember and talk about it’s just those he mentioned are anointed due to hip hop culture and bias insinuations
this is pretty real. We have so many stars that its just expected to see multiple generational talents in every game
Do you know what generational means?
@@donothesitate1198 there can be multiple generational talents, talents aren’t all the same
“Who the f u c k is Tom Brady?”
- Ichiro Suzuki
Real ass dude
He’s really not talking about people who grew up in those generations, he’s speaking as a whole. My children have never heard of anyone from the past but the people he just mentioned..💯💯💯
That’s a boy he’s making, the people who know basketball yeah you know all of the green stuff like that. But even some of the people like Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson and Penny Hardaway are not known by your average person who only knows I’m basketball in passing. Basically the five people he mentioned all the people that Normies know
Yeah that's your fault then
@@eatshityoutube3271and that’s because those people are faces of basketball. Everyone else is simply known by hoopers or watchers
@@eatshityoutube3271that’s like I you ask someone about a famous golfer to people who don’t watch golf. They’re gonna say maybe 1 or 2 names,that doesn’t disqualify all the others though
Tim Duncan is amazing, but before him I’ve been trying to figure out where Hakeem is
This is literally reality thank you spencer
It's reality for him..
what? if u ask any NBA playet what they would choose between money and recognition..
they would choose that bag everyday and they got that
Thank him for literally explaining his own reality 😂😂
@@tomazvibe4042 that's totally outside the point bro lmfao let's talk about your favorite ice cream while we are changing subjects. My favorite is rocky road
Except we do still talk about Penny, Tmac, Shaq
I think that's actually how most sports work, you've just gotta be one of the greatest to be remembered.
yeah...its the same in life....in communities...even in families....everyone can't possibly get equal amount of recognition.....althoughs players..I've definitely talked about with fellow sports fans now and again
@Alk.I210 Amen🙏
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This mdf went deep.. props man!
Yo Spencer out here keeping it as real as it gets.
Facts!
I loved Penny on Orlando💯
TMac was my favorite player in the early 2000’s
Same
Didn’t watch much postseason with him then lol
He’s my all time favourite player. No matter how many other players I consider, I always come back to Tracy. Another player I really like is Baron Davis. NBA history would have been written differently if players like T-Mac, B Diddy, B Roy and Grant Hill had been luckier with injuries.
He was a lot of people’s favorite player
Tmac still my alltime fav player, watching him play was an absolute pleasure
That’s so true.. D Wade retired a few years ago and never gets brought up anymore 😢
You sure about this
@@jonj402 basketball wise lol. Don’t want to talk about the freaky shit he got going on lol
They talked about his son or daughter more than his career. Lol
Forreal… at his peak he was every bit as good as kobe and lebron. Even better than kobe in his first championship run
@@chrisringer5778 😂😂😂😂😂
It's so calming to hear this speech with this music in the background
Do you know the name of it ?
@@majo6677 onehart×reindishi snowfall
Bruh, you talking about T-Mac, RIGHT NOW. In 10 years ppl gonna think dinwiddie was an accountant for the Spurs 🤦♂️
Penny was dope! TMac was cold AF! Glad Shaq still talks about these guys
Imagine if Orlando could’ve had all 3 at least for a season…Ik penny and tmac play the same position or close to it but just imagine penny at the 1, tmac at the 2 or 3 & Shaq in the paint…omg smh
In DC we remember Penny Hardaway cuz damn near everyone's wearing his shoes.
I’m in DC too. In all of the circles. (Not saying that you aren’t, just dialoguing). He is not really remembered like that. Especially for how big he was at one time. The commercials, dating Tyra Banks, playing along side Shaq. Shit Steve Francis, Juan Dixon, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Mutombo, Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison, Juwan Howard are barely remembered. I get what he’s saying.
Dmv not wearing his shoes…
@@xxbistuxx sounds like he mean back then scrapper
Bro spitting facts!!!!
Tf
Cringe
@@C.I.A_OP_DestoryBlacks yea yes at all
@@C.I.A_OP_DestoryBlacks it’s the truth take Duncan for example you know who he is he’s talked about a little but still pretty forgotten for how good he was
@@C.I.A_OP_DestoryBlacks you went through a lot of comments yet people keep telling you’re wrong so maybe you are wrong.
Man speaking facts
i don’t think bron will ever be forgotten his feats is the face of the nba
The ones who changed the way the game is played today are the ones who are most memorable and talked about. It's always going to be MJ, Kobe, and LeBron in the goat conversation. The others who get mentioned a lot(not about being the goat) are Bird, Iverson, and Magic..that's about it. Curry will be mentioned like those 3 but not the same category with MJ, Kobe, and LeBron. At this point those 3 are untouchable based off what I keep seeing everywhere lol
Shaq changed the game
Now that’s someone talking honestly for once
All truth spoken right here!
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How? No one is forgetting t-mac or penny. He didn't say anything really.
@@markusallard2830 ikr. Like what was his point?
@Cliptomaniac nobodys talking bout them in general tho that's not the point, why would t mac and penny be brought now for what reason exactly??? Bron is still making goat Cases and steph slowly creeping in top 10 and his shooting skyrocketing his legacy n popularity
@@SHINO3U-K0CH0 Lebron and steph are better and still playing so of course they are going to be talked about more. T-mac scored 13 pts in 33 seconds and it still gets talked about. I also saw him in commercial not to long ago. No one has forgotten Penny or t-mac. Shaq was an awful example because even if he wasnt on tv he'd still be talked about as the best big man.
Spencer Dinwiddie can hoop. He's an excellent player that casual basketball fans aren't aware of.
very very underrated
His point proven
He knows this .. he could rip 40 an the news is talking about reasons why Ad only got 8 points it is bad
Real fans know real ballers and real ballers know real fans.
Word Life!
I’m 46 and never really thought about this this. He is absolutely right! Most retired players just become the “oh yeah” player when you remember them. He mentioned Shaq. if Charles Barkley wasn’t on TV, we might forget. Kenny definitely would be forgotten!
One of the realest takes I’ve ever heard
Yea the media will forget u but if u make it to that level the place u came up out of will never forget u 💯
tim duncan
He's the best example of what he's talking about. TD has what? 5 championships I believe and yet since he wasn't larger than life, or did crazy shit, or talked alot of trash he doesn't get mentioned. He was purely fundamentals and bad drip.
Tim has 5 rings same franchise. Tim just kept to himself and out the way that’s why he isn’t as popular as he should be
@@JWill6969 Which is the reason why all of us call him Mr. Fundamental.
Srsly
Ong Tim not talked about enough fr bro was so casual but cold and a 5x champ, and retiring with the same team? 😂
Nah. I’ll never forget. My people talk basketball every day. Big O, Larry, Magic, Scottie, Dennis, Hakeem, Mahmoud, Steve Franchise, Isiah, DERRICK ROSE, Rasheed, Penny, Dirk, Chris Webber, KG, Tim Hardaway, Dwight, Reggie Miller, Big Dog, White Chocolate, Rain Man, Carmelo, Dame, Stockton, The Glove, Westbrook, Dr. J, Dominique, Jason Kidd, Ewing, Nash, Vince, Timmy, I can go on forever. These guys will never ever be forgotten in my opinion. Basketball changed my life.
Yeah almost sports no fan is gonna go "Who?" If you bring up any one of those names.
Real spit fam 💯
I recently realized just how true this is when trying to come up with my all time top 10. I have Hakeem Olajuwon number 9 all time and despite his defensive greatness and having a signature move to go along with 2 chips and 2 FMVPs, I almost forgot about him because nobody ever brings him up despite how great he was.
Exactly! He’s one of those “oh yeah” players!
Lol. Dude literally brought up my 2 favorite players. Penny and T-Mac. People talk about them enough for them not to be forgotten. Unfortunately it usually hinges around what could have been if not for injuries.
Dude kept it a buck !
Damn that was real 💯💯💯
Makes me tear up bc ppl don’t remember prime Dwade, rose, Ray Allen, Dirk etc. from like 06-13 basketball to me reached it’s pinnacle and most of the dudes who dominated aren’t remembered or talked about💯
You slow. All those dudes had different primes
More like 98-13
@@marcusalexander9764 I said prime wade peon. 06-13 were the days I was referring to with wade being a top 5 player during that time
@@thefred09 I was -4 in 98 fam😂😂
Everyone remember prime D rose
That is the most honest truth. Just be happy, have fun, get the bag, and be well.
Penny is my ALL-TIME favorite player💯
Karl Malone was number 2 all time and because he doesn’t have a ring he’ll never be mentioned ( yes I know his off the court life was shitty )
nope
number 2 all time is idiotic. rings or not he wasn’t statistically better than my entire top 15
I've argued that for years. Imo, the only reason people say Tim Duncan is the undisputed PF goat is coz Malone doesn't have rings. Mailman was a beast...
@@rainbuwfoon he meant in points scored
@@rainbuwfoon he meant KM always finished 2nd
he spittin facts but idk about the shaq part. You can't separate the player from the media personality. Even if he never stepped foot in the tnt studio. Shaq is part of the culture. He's like the snoop dogg of basketball. May not be the greatest, but he was a fucking moment. Top 5 fun players to watch, dude had a run. He's definitely in the same tier of of AI in terms of being remembered
Yea but shaq really became during tnt without that he might not be
Same with Barkley
No one who ever saw Shaq play could ever forget Shaq. He doesn't need to be on TNT to be remembered.😂
Still got a penny poster in storage AND my old ugly ass T-Mac 1’s homie speak for yourself!
I don’t agree with the Shaq take. Shaq will be remembered no matter what.
T-Mac was Kobe’s fav player
Kobe was Kobe’s favorite player lol or mike
mike was kobes favorite player, tmac gave kobe the most problems.
During that run, Kobe always drifted towards the players that made his game harder, like t-Mac
It is true I haven’t even thought about Tim Duncan 😢
And Wilt averaged more than all of them 50 ppg seasons
Coming back and he joins the lakers
Spence out here preaching facts, but don’t let Shaq see this video. 😂
That's some of the realest shit fr.
it's not all about the rings, it's more about the legacy, the story
Its part of it. U wont have any good legacy that will last after u retire without any ring with the exception of a.i
Bro mj litterly has no story he’s just good at basketball because if it was about story bron would be the goat
@@Brotried97 wtf are you spouting? he's talking about MJ story and you just talked about mentality out of nowhere
Yeah but what legacy is held on strongly when you know it ends with them not winning it all
@@Saulsexz It's not about the story, it's about how interesting and unique you are. LeBron is like a lot of other players. They have similar stories, similar personalities, and the only difference is that he's a lot better than them.
Yes, that's life, and we might only be talking about Curry and James bc they're still playing, only talking about Bryant bec he's Rip and only talking about Jordan bec the shoes
God loves us all so much! There is only true happiness in the Lord Jesus Christ!
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
The price for sin is death but someone has already paid that price and he is Jesus! Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
The only way to salvation is Jesus and nobody else! John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
God bless all of you and I pray that whoever sees this will turn to Christ. 🙏 ❤️
bro spitting so much facts that even 2, 3 yrs before he retires people gonna forget bout him😂
Steph so inspirational
ain’t nobody talk about john stockton. one of the greatest point guards to step foot on a court
God loves us all so much! There is only true happiness in the Lord Jesus Christ!
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
The price for sin is death but someone has already paid that price and he is Jesus! Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
The only way to salvation is Jesus and nobody else! John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
God bless all of you and I pray that whoever sees this will turn to Christ. 🙏 ❤️
God loves us all so much! There is only true happiness in the Lord Jesus Christ!
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
The price for sin is death but someone has already paid that price and he is Jesus! Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
The only way to salvation is Jesus and nobody else! John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
God bless all of you and I pray that whoever sees this will turn to Christ. 🙏 ❤️
Bro speaking facts
facts…
Man… that really hit. Well said.
That's why KD's rings saves him. But the bum thinks he is criticized that much. Of course, those rings are given to you, but 20 years from now, it will save you. Nobody would remember or care that much, kids will only see 2x champion 2x fmvp, so he has to be grateful because it saves him. Although he's not one of the greatest.
Agree to disagree with a LeBron goat debate. Even if LeBron 7. He would be 7-13 in the finals. 6-0 still looks better. Unless you quantity over quality. But that must be a generation thing
That's one of the best takes in a while
Now thats a Top 5 you would love to see.
Bron solidified with or without the next ring 💍 as one of the best ever...
Still not the G.O.A.T. but definitely top 5...
It doesn't matter how many more rings lebron gets he's not gonna be the goat in my opinion... I didn't like bron until he made the unselfish choice to chase rings in Miami which i thought he would never do in that moment so it made me change the way i look at him so i like bron now but those Miami teams had no business losing to any team at those times period... So he should have just as much if not more rings then Jordan which would have made more of an argument for him to be the goat but he lost to the mavs and the spurs I'm sorry but the spurs shouldn't have beat Miami period so i rest my case
Penny.. one of the most underrated player of all time
It's sad, but that's how it goes. We only really remember 1 or 2 for each generation
Dude knows what he's talking about
Bruh this is so dumb. He's acting like we talk about those guys ONLY for their greatness. The reason we talk about them is because of recency bias, nothing else to it.
Lebron is not the goat . Only Michael Jordan and Kobe is the GOAT with leadership and in the only one same organization.
If penny never got injured he'd be in the goat debate
What about Grant Hill...🤨
@@wood4278 hes another one! Both guys came in crushing the game as rookies and if they stayed healthy they only wouldve gotten better!
Oh. So Michael Carter Williams is the goat then??
I need Steph to get one more nd he’s set don’t have to do shit else literally 😂😂😂
ong bro one more and all the gsw fans gone b happy for life
Steph will never be forgotten
Steph is already the greatest player I’ve ever seen (I’m only 20) if he gets one more he’s the goat to me
@@deshawnredding 😂 lol you gotta be trolling or you don’t watch ball
I talk about Penny all the time. My favorite player . Wish injuries didn't get to him
Exactly you talk about Penny but you don’t see ESPN or any other sport network talking about him being the greatest constantly like they do with MJ or Lebron or who was a killer like Kobe.
@@cruzrose5645 Why would I care if ESPN talked about him? Plenty of people do in the parks I go to
@@akaurfear I don’t care what ESPN has to say but obviously if they talk about is because they are talking to the masses. Ratings dictate and are the majority or else they would be talking about Penny. Im not saying your opinion is invalid. All i’m saying that for the masses penny doesn’t matter.
@@cruzrose5645 idk man you try buying his cards or his shoes? They rereleased some earlier this year and they sold out mad fast
Facts growning up Ray Allen was the 3pt God💯 ... They dont talk about him much and he did He Got Game with Denzel Washington💯
NOT.
RING OR "NOT".
GOAT "NEVER".
#LeBronze
Damn 😱
This hits hard at every level, me as an Asian majority people don't know other than jordan, steph, bron
I still got that Penny poster I had as a kid sitting in my office right now. Penny was the truth.
Lebron can get six championships but thats not what makes you the Goat.... there are plenty of others with more than 6 rings 💍
Shaq is not the most dominant player in history. It's Wilt.
Cap playoff dropper needed a superteam to win and he’s a team killer
@@pluq2k904 whoa you saying that but you missed the part where he went up against bill russel who at any given time had at least 6 HOF on his team one year he had 11 with em vs wilt and his nobodys and of all the times wilts faced them in the playoff he lost by a total of like 9 points combined
@@ye87re Bills teammates HOF if they weren't with Bill and hadn't won all those championships
@@borjadiaz74 Actually the Celtics were considered the best team of the league before Bill joined
@@johannesgrote270 lol they didn't win before bill joined
Mostly true, but shaq is exception..
He's way more talked around than AI..
Depends on who you talking to. We have those conversations all the time. Might not be on RUclips but people have those conversations. Just another opinion.
Preach, Preacher! 🙏⛪
Dimwiddie is NO Dumb ditty!
Not a truer word has been spoken!
#respect
#facts
First of Wilt chamberlain is the most dominant, and real ones know Hakeem > Shaq
MJ 🐐
Spencer said we wouldn’t talk about Shaq😂😂
He said "may" not be talking about Shaq. And he's right. The basketball heads obviously would but when's the last time you heard someone off the street say Tim Duncan's name in a Top 15? Even though he was one of the most consistent players of all time.
@@JWill6969 we still talk bout ppl who win chips
He said may not be talking as much. Not that we wouldn’t talk about him
@@C.I.A_OP_DestoryBlacks y’all don’t listen very well.. I see
That’s why me and my dad don’t do a GOAT… we say GOAT in that era. Keeps the conversation going and open for all basketball players.
greatest of all time in that era?
GOAT means Greatest of all Time. That's the point of the discussion.
Not: "I think he was the best player in 2006".
@@voetbal12 RIGHT LOL. OF ALL DAMN TIME NOT IN A 10 YEAR SPAN
GOAT of that Era since y’all can’t comprehend. I never saw MJ play he can’t be my GOAT, so we go by ERAs and dominance. You have the MJ era, Shaq Era, Kobe Era and LeBron Era of course (theirs more going back.)The GOAT conversation is muddy because how can your GOAT be somebody you never seen play? Makes no sense, I saw Kobe get all of his rings he’s my favorite and would be considered My GOAT if you asked me. Why do NBA PLAYERS say a different name when they are asked who’s the GOAT. Why is it even a thing that if LBJ gets 5 rings then he may be considered the GOAT in some NBA players Eyes. Same thing Paul Pierce and KG said… “LBJ is the GOAT now since he’s the NBA all time leading scorer..” That’s personal opinion. It’s too many GREATS too label one the GOAT.
@@reeseromeo6 i never had to read ur declaration of independence. the goat is THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. like we're losing the essence of that bc yall wanna be dramatic n shit. (bron d goaot btw, now GREATEST OF ALL TIME THAT IS, not jus his era 😭)
I mean do people talk about Clyde Drexler that much, or James Worthy.
I rock with dinwiddie but that goat and lebron should not be in the same sentence
Nah lebron needs 3 more to be the goat, mike did more in less time and 2 retirements 🤣
now get new ring with bron go Lakers welcome Spencer 🔥🔥🔥🔥❤️✅
Loved Dinwiddie n finney-smith on my mavs it was a big L trading them away