WHY STARLINK RUINS CAMPING
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Just finished a Simpson trip and took my Starlink. Being a small business owner I might not have gone if I couldn't take Starlink. So my view is why wouldn't you take it. Great for safety, researching your trip on the track, finding out how to fix car issues if needed, connecting with family. Like everyone said just be disciplined and turn it off when the fire goes on. Starlink is a game changer. I'll probably get out more because of it.
Meal times and fire time phones and all PEDs are banned in my camps. Those that do not like that or break the rules never are invited again. All know the rule before arrival/invitation. Simples.
Exactly. Why not take it if you have it?! Setup and ongoing fees ;-). If one wants to disconnect, then simply don't take Starlink. First world problem. Thankyou for the video Ronny.
yep nailed it. it opens up the outdoors for a lot more people that are unable to fully disconnect due to thier commitments
Anyone think he was referring to 4xoverland/ Andrew with the comment about bagging the Grandier because he didn't get one for free? All he does is whinge.
Absolutely!
My current project is a Lada Niva 1600 here in South Australia!
Starlink is just a tool. It’s not the problem. You’re (people in general) the problem if you’re using it every moment whilst camping.
Im a big fan of sailing channels and nearly all of them have Starlink now, I think the difference with them though is they can be away from cellular for very long times and even when they do get cellular it can take a very long time to upload the next episode
Starlink will likely have its biggest impact on people that live remote with no to very poor internet and or are 'off the grid'. As well as blue water sailing.
I agree with most of the things in this video about Starlink. We should definitely be heading out there to disconnect and not just another place to go and get stuck into our phones or work...
But also Starlink is a game changer for people that actually live or want to make a future living on the road... where sometimes you actually do need to work and still make a living. Having super fast internet on hand that you can pull out anywhere in Australia, set up camp in an awesome location and get some work done for a couple days sounds like a dream to me. For those of us that work from home... you could simply take your office anywhere and just keep the adventure going while still being able to maintain a decent job or run an online business 👍
I see it opening a lot of opportunities if used in the right way
Starlink has changed my life and that of my family more than any single technology. It’s allowed us to triple the amount of time we spend camping and traveling. I agree that we need to disconnect and it definitely takes some personal discipline to ensure that it’s only used for intermittent personal reasons. I am also concerned about how much busier it will make previously remote and quiet locations.
What a fantastic video!
100% agree with you Ronny, mobile phones have completely changed the campfire experience and I hate it.
Whats the buff/headband you have?
Travelling Oz enjoyably ended with the government tax write-off rules, allowing every idiot with an ABN out onto the tracks, and RUclips (not knocking all RUclipsrs, of course😁)... Seriously, everywhere we go now there is someone pushing to get to the best spot for that thumbnail. I've seen people (and groups) arrive at a beautiful location, run around taking video footage, then leave for the next photo opportunity. Do they even see the place other than behind a lens?! You wouldn't mind, but at least half the "we're travelling Oz" channels are the same boring crap with more footage of the "stars" than the environment...
Don't watch their videos then... seems pretty easy to ignore other people and enjoy your own trip!
Wouldn't have a problem ignoring them if they didn't keep screwing up every location they need to promote themselves in...@@thehastywombat
For us in remote areas, Starlink is a godsend. Don't take Starlink camping if you don't like it. 🙂
Well, I'll take the click bait. I live and work full time on the road. I turn it on, check messages, then logon to work; turn it off when done. I cannot get my paying job done without Starlink when rural, regional or remote.
With in 12 months the “One.NZ” (used to be called Vodafone NZ) cell phone network is going to have 100% txt network available via Starlink satellites in a standard cell phone.
So no more need for a set phone or other devices other than maybe caring a personal okay to beacon that I do have.
It's not ruining anything. If you are going to an area without phone reception and you don't have a need for it, don't get it. If you need it for some reason or just would like it then get it. It's ruining nothing.
Currently, in my opinion, it’s a non-issue, because the amount of people buying Starlink for camping is minute. The ones that do have Starlink aren’t the average campers by far.
Welcome to being a school teacher... Real life interaction is gone... Coach you viewers how to have both, that's all we can do now.
Oh man. Bloody starlink in the bush now. I thought it was the end of camping when everyone started bringing fridges and showers and toilets and pots and pans and sinks and generators and the whole camp is lit up with flood lights and whenever you talk to someone they have a head light on their head shining right into your eyes and they are using induction cooktops and anything more than a two man tent and a sleeping bag ha ha
I'm well aware of the RUclips "personality " that's rubbished the Ineos Grenadier.
Mind you, it's the same conceited individual that considers himself an "Influencer ".
A word that in my view should be banished forever.
And yes Ronnie, I agree totally about leaving electronic gadgetry behind and just enjoying the beauty and tranquillity of the Australian bush.
He is getting a bit much these days...
Oh and still waiting for those flying videos lol....
Sometimes we need to bring something that we are trying to get away from in our getaway.
Cheaper than a sat phone
Well NBN is dead 😂 it's good for emergency too
There is another way Starlink affects us here in the US. Some of the more popular camping spots were isolated due to not having signal, but with vanlifers and starlink people who can work remotely can show up. It's a small number currently but it's definitely been becoming more frequent that you run into people where you would expect a few during week days.
What others do shouldn't deter you from what you're doing. If other people are out there doing what you are doing and discovering the far flung regions of the US, then why begrudge them?
There would have been those not long ago that said that about you and your (insert technological advancement accessible to the masses here) in exactly the same way.
🤣 ASPW “RUBBISHING!”
I was thinking the same, but he has driven one so not sure.
as a passenger on an event I think
I came looking for this comment to confirm that he was referring to ASPW 😂
I think Starlink can have a place on a trip for content creators and those that can't get time off work or those working from home so to speak. Having internet full time though means people are sitting there glued to their phones rather than enjoying what we all go camping and travelling for in the first place. Yes if you need to check in than maybe run it for an hour per day or something along those lines but not all day/night.
Exactly this. I work in IT and usually work 10-14 hour days. I like to take off on a Friday to get a good spot, so I need to be able to work from camp. This makes it possible.
I’m watching this on starlink
Same. Starlink is awesome.
Same
😂
Same 😂
Same. Starlink is not the problem, it’s the peoples ability to control themselves, that’s the problem.
I called Andrew SP W out on that. He got the shits when he wasn't included in a free test of the Grenadier.
The payload is only 750kg
The main limiting aspect of the Grenadier is the front axle load which no one is talking about
Compare a troopy payload 1290 kg
As far as fast internet for rural Australia starlink is a game changer. We are rural but only 20mins from large town in NSW and have never had such fast reliable internet at home. We probably won’t take it on the road as we don’t do massive trips and often drive back into town for supplies so can reconnect then. Agree that internet disconnect is important and hard to obtain with internet available to us.
I haven't used Starlink personally so this is my somewhat uninformed view, but I would have thought it's about applying a bit of personal discipline when using it. The technology opens up a whole new lifestyle for work and travel, and provides flexibility in communications when you have a problem in the bush. If you've got it with you and aren't using it/don't need it at some point, just switch it off and enjoy your remote travel experience. Simple.
Why exercise self-control when you can publically complain about it?
100%, you've hit the nail on the head. It takes personal restraint.
@@P46345 what are you talking about? There's no context to this comment.
I have Starlink, having said that, if there is a problem with mates spending time on their phones instead of enjoying each other's company around the fire, the issue is with the mates, not the technology.
There was a group of people called Luddites, who around the industrial revolution went around smashing up machinery, as they believed the tech took away from the person, it's exactly the same issue here.
True re the mates however people have become addicted to their phones and can’t put them down sadly.
@@4WheelingInNSW agreed, though I think this "addiction" is born through a lack of self control, that seems to be growing exponentially, not just phones.
A little personal responsibility goes a long way!
@@LockyourHubs4WDing oh yeah 100% mate …. Look at the problems in this country with sports betting and pokies, unfortunately some people just don’t have self-control ☹️
Went camping last night with a mate at a place with mobile coverage. Normally we go places with zero coverage. Old mate just scrolled on his phone all night.
On remote fishing trips if you want to use your mobile you have to walk 100m away
This worked
The guy who has all the mod cons and connectivity for cooking, lights, fridges, off grid gear, cameras etc is sceptical about internet?
I think though you’re missing the point there a little. Things like cooking gear, lighting, fridges and off grid gear is required so as to eat and live whilst out there however we don’t “need” to send emails whilst sitting along the Canning Stock route or stream Netflix while cruising across the Simpson Desert. 🤷🏻♂️
Wants and needs are two totally different things indeed.
@@4WheelingInNSW fair point. But for me Starlink gives me connectivity no matter where I am.
@@jamessaxton4489 that is true however I think that’s the point Ronny is making, do we necessarily need to be able to connect whilst sitting by the fire in the middle of nowhere ? 👍
@@4WheelingInNSW sorry I meant contact people. Expensive PLB I guess. Ha ha.
Reminds me of the same thing people complain about when it comes to toxicity on the internet. Just ignore it dont go on it.
This isnt a big issue. Just dont bring it if you think it takes away from the experience. Simple as
Thank you for this video! I agree, easy connectivity like Starlink is ruining remote travel. Yes, many people will justify it one way or another, but the internet has so many negatives. I really wish there could be a few places safe from the ravages of the internet, the marketing, the social media, etc.
Ok boomer 😂it's sat phone or starlink. Starlink is cheaper, the price of equipment is less than plb. If you're concerned that kids on the internet, don't give them wifi password.
Great to meet you and your crew in Esperance, and my Grenadier was actually number 22! If you're doing a day trip north of Perth sometime over the next couple months let me know and we can see how the Grenadier goes.
And yet, your 4wd palaces on wheels are decked out with every mod con under the sun to make it feel like you’re at home, thought camping was supposed to be basic survival and your whinging about internet.
Starlink is horrible. It's goingvto be putting 50,000 sattelites into low orbit, which will make ground based telescopes nearly useless. Those sattelites will only last 4 years, which means more launches, which further ruins the environment. Plus those sattelites will almost definitely bump into one another, setting off a chain reaction called iirc the Kessler Effect. It'll probably also make it harder to find launch windows for rockets. Other sattelite internet providers have like three to six sattelites covering the entire world from high orbit, not freaking 50,000. This whole thing is stupid AF, like nearly everything Elon does. Remember the Hyperloop Whitepaper when trains would run through vacuum tubes, propelled by freaking turbines? TURBINES IN A VACUUM AND PEOPLE THINK MUSK IS SMART.
I agree 100 percent with you I actually wouldn't get it at all. But me and my missus are looking to do a lap in the future and she may be able to secure a job doing remote teaching which allows her to work from home 100 percent of the time. If we get starlink for that purpose she can work while we travel and we will no longer be limited by time we could travel forever and have an income.
You've just described a scenario I was hoping for. To be able to continue to teach while on the road and have an income.
So... you WOULD actually get it. There's a thousand different scenarios and needs that fit peoples experiences - Starlink gives the CHOICE to able to choose it, where once it wasn't even a choice.
@@thehastywombat that's right. Its a choice.
I've just got one for my dad, and we took it away on our first trip out to the Big Red Bash. Now I must also confess that I'm a bit of a tech head, and was a Signaller in the Army for 16 years - so Comms is my jam.
However, as with most technology, it comes down to need/wants.
Whilst yes, we go away on these trips to 'disconnect', that very fact often stops us from going in the first place! Starlink gives us the ability to hit the road, explore those remote areas and still when we need to connect back into the family/business/work.
What it requires, as you've already picked up on, is restraint - and that is hard for a lot of people.
Personally, I like the idea of setting a time of day (or week if you really want to stretch it out) and that is the ONLY time it gets switched on. No ifs or buts.
It also gives those (especially kids who are addicted to technology) a set time frame to look forward to and learn to rationalise their technology use.
It's an awesome bit of kit, with huge capability, and massively easy to use - it just needs the user to realise how much they want from the system and not default to it because its 'easy'.
I'm the same. You go camping to escape the norms of life. However if you do run a business or are a RUclipsr it does help. But then it's a lifestyle purchase not a recreational use.
My concern is noise pollution; I go out bush to listen to nature, not someone’s movie they’re watching!!
Pestily, a big Aussie twitch streamer has a lada in SA.
I can understand taking it for emergency use, for business, or some other things, but otherwise, why would you want "to get away from things" and still bring them along. I always think of camping as disconnecting from the world. (Good videos by the way, just found your channel)
I think we know who the person rubbishing the Grenadier is LOL. The think it is Marketed to Mosman and Kooyong, not campers
Old Andrew Stained Peer Wipe😊
@@fawshaw3361 lol 😂
First I have heard of Starlink, but I have to say that I agree that the point of getting off the beaten path is to get away from all the normal day to day life. Even with work I would rather that not follow me out to the wilderness.
Nothing wrong with Starlink. I use it at home because we don’t have NBN in Onslow and I use it camping. Bloody brilliant, what more can you ask for.
Starlink allows some to have a longer tour/camp trip for those who WFH ✌️
Starlink has its place for those who are out there but cannot abrogate their work commitments and need connectivity. For me, when I go on holiday it’s a primary focus to switch off, leave work at home and just soak in some nature, so it would be counter productive to have it.
It's a very innovative capability however, just because you have it doesn't mean you MUST use it. Just another ridiculous complaint people have about technology, as the operator you set the boundaries and expectations. I have lights in my bedroom and turn them off to sleep, I don't complain lighting is disrupting my life as I manage it how I like. Get a grip people.
omfg! i won the lights!
Thanks Ronny!
"Normal" camping, I remember when there was no such thing as bringing fridges, solar panels, battery packs, most trailers, phones, tablets, computers, heating systems... and many other things. It's just another evolution.
Your expressed critical view on ASPW was below your standards.
- Sometimes one look smarter / more intelligent / when quiet. This was one of those moments.
I never mentioned a name and I never mentioned that name either.
@@Ronny_Dahl
Correct. I still think you made a mistake though, you shouldn’t have said anything about anyone else but yourself.
The 4x4 community is too small to have personal verbal fights and insults out in the open. I think you should apologize to the-no-name-guy in person.
Grenadier also for along time was of interest to me and wasn't yet available local market when I got the Fortuner couple years ago and unfortunately that was a flop for us, we saw a test one run through the Victoria High Country behind our convoy and now I've finally been able to see the vehicle in person which it definitely is more impressive in person than on the screen, in the future... could happen...
Agree on Starlink Ron, if you want to have internet, stay at home, go camp and travel and do exactly that, if you need an emergency way of communication, get a SAT phone. Just my 5 cents on your video. 😊
good stuff Ronny ..YEAH i don't want Starlink or mobile phones as well ...When around a camp fire just chatting that's one of the best parts of camping like you said .. very big thumbs up .. have a good trip guys
Is it effective to say that one device (starlink) replaces a whole bunch of things? No need for a sat phone, this is more cost effective. No need for a sat communicator / SOS beacon (zoleo) this is more useful, not even a dedicated GPS (garmin overlander) the functionality of a phone with some apps and starlink enable a package of things in one place. Keep an Eperb in the go bag in case the truck burns to the ground. Everything else is covered.
SatPhone!?!?! iPhone on 4G is OK at camp, but Starlink is an issue?! First world problem people. Want to disconnect, don't take it. Starlink is a godsend for us in regional/remote Australia. Our Starlink runs 24/7 on a UDM Pro... Thankyou Starlink for keeping us regional/remote people connected. 🙂
Thank to Starlink Ukraine isn't Russian territory now...Slava Ukraina... You should hate the vanlifers and business owners who can't trust their employees with their business. Better train your employees and learn to trust people. Back to the Nokia 3310 era. Mobile calling, sms in emergencies, but no Facebook, Twitter/X and people locked into their phone. YT should have only been available at internet on your TV monitor.
Ronny, where is Torbs? I think the last time we saw him on a trip with you was on "Chaos in the desert, Simpson Desert part 2"
Mate. I love the channel. Please come to Africa. You would love it. I am in Malawi. Drove through Zambia, Malawi, Botswana, Lesotho and eswatini. Also I love all your front runner gear. Also agree with your view on star link. Camping is camping and we know what happens to a family on Wi-Fi. Cheers mate.
Too right Ronny, but not going far enough. For example, your upright fridge is a camping abomination. Camping should only be with an esky and a 3 daily trip for ice. Also, USB charging, drones ruin the outdoors and there’s no need for them. Don’t get me started on gas BBQs, camping should be over a wood fire and that’s it. Too many snowflakes these days.
I don’t have starling and I don’t see myself getting it but it is each to their own especially if you need it for work while you travel or for if anyone has a medical condition. Myself I’ll use a PLB if I am in need of help. Cheers and beers.
What's Torbs up too??
A mate has it and it gives me the shits because my kids beg to connect to it, instead of enjoying the serenity and making fun with their environment they feel like they have to be connected. Then I'm the bad guy saying no!!
No. It dosnt ruin camping.
If you don't want it.
Don't take it? Pretty simple.
But on a side note for a deep bush long trip, starling is cheaper than an EPIRB and the rescue fees... immediate safety option.
I'll be honest I'm a huge fan of starlink for both its regular application and touring. We have run starlink at home for a while. Australian internet is shite especially on the peripherals of town (only adls2+ with the node fucking miles away). Starlink removed all that frustration in using the internet. In terms of touring. In order to run it (especially for a decent while) you need a really damn good 12v system. (either a 240v back end or the technical know how to setup the 44v conversion to run the power over ethernet plus and external router so at that point your an avid camper anyway, if you can't put down your phone and enjoy camping. The problem isn't with the starlink or the phone, the problem exists between the keypad on the phone and the camp chair.
I am more van 85% a solo camper. I don't get much cell service on the places I go. And I Do download some movies on my cell phone. But when I take off for a week or two it is nice to be able to tell the kiddos where I am. As well as a RUclips channel or two. Never do work while I'm away but many times have a fire going, dinner going, and watching something on the boob tube. Just one more fun thing for the kit. If I am with people, it is usually I can't fire in talking and good food and maybe a whiskey. No cell phones nothing like that. Although we have watched a movie.
On off switch
I truly think your in the minority mate.
I kind of get your point your point Ronny. Just turn it off at Camp fire etc.
The question is: Are you “off the grid” with Starlink. Although I agree with the reasoning of my fellow commenters, there is a different frame of mind with complete solo, no coms camping.
I am like you. Unplug.
I might look for a fact on my phone if there is signal but otherwise I'm out on full blown internet at camp.
Four wheelers ruin camping . . . Try a backpack.
Technology is inevitable, all you have to do is turn it off.
I am a Tech nut, but star link completely ruins the reason to go camping.......it is no different to taking a TV with you......sucks
What's the point of going to the bush if you're going to do the same thing you do at home - ignoring the world around you while staring at a screen? This is the end of proper adventure. Sure, I can see the merit for certain business people, but for recreational campers, it just seems profoundly sad to me that people can't spend even a few days in the wild any more without needing to play with their tech. My old mate Malcolm Douglas is spinning in his grave.
Extra loud portable bluetooth speakers ruined the camping already.
I go camping to get away. Having access to cell service is nice in case you need to call your family or what not but I like to get out to get away from work and my smartphone. I would NEVER take startlink camping. it ruins the fun of it and the chance to get away from everything.
Starlink... Just about to start a number of loops and side trips solo. Starlink will give me access to heaps of late-night entertainment, being able to upload vids for the family and is another means of comms on top of my sat phone and HF rig. For me, being solo, I think it's fabulous. I've been using it after 7 years in Central America and I love the speed I get over the few Mbps I've lived with.
Like any other piece of tech equipment. Use it when you need it then turn it off. If you're going to use it to watch Netflix every night you may as well stay home. Personally I have never watched Netflix etc so I am in the "use it as required then turn it off" category. Still, if I can afford it, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it
Not sure how many modified lada nivas there are in Aus. I do know of one RUclips named Pestily in South AUS with one though
Only connect to the network if absolutely necessary!
Otherwise just enjoy the break hey. Luxury ( burden) like that is why most of us need time in the bush.
Hey Ronny, which starlink is this one? Is it the roam, or just the standard kit on the residential plan??
Cheers Nath from Perth WA
Couldn’t agree more Ronny. When I’m out content creating I hate having reception, it’s just a distraction. Generally deal with it all when I get home 👍
Saying that you wouldn’t get startlink because the reason to go on trips is to get away from work, but then say that you use it to upload your footage etc which is your work is very contradictory mate. Unfortunately shitting on something just to sound enlightened is extremely transparent.
It will eliminate the satellite phone from camps as wifi calling will connect the daily phone line via starlink
damn I wish i was experienced so i could tell you cool places because lights or maxtrax would have been nice, oh well i'll just make a list from wherever you go and maybe do them
Ronny bud you need to come to South Africa
I made the mistake on getting a Telstra sim and wifi. Telstra coverage is still poor and I like to be able to keep in touch with family for safety (and watch the footy)
The big question is how can anyone afford it? Unless you’re living full time on the road it totally goes against the reason for getting away!!!!!
You can go away alot longer and more often if you can have online meetings in the bush like my father. Yes it would be nice to be disconnected but in my opinion being in the bush for so much longer is better.
If your going to bag it out and say it ruins the trip. Dont use it....
Go out for your week long trips and make your content and upload later.
Don't be a hypocrite 😂
Feel like Starlink is more suitable for more exploration based jobs where signal boosters don’t and employees can contact home without the use of satellite phones and cheaper
I think it shows a change of the times, ie how expensive things are, and the expectation to be connected all the time for work. It’s unfortunate but it’s the way things are going
I think that having the ability to have a connection to the world is good , but i agree keep it stored unless you have to use it , be it video upload , or communication with family. otherwise enjoy the disconnect from the world.
If you have starlink for any reasons other than needing it to run a business you need to get your priorities straight. If you need internet that desperately while camping you should probably go for hotels instead of camping .
Half the reason i go camping is to have a break from electronics and the internet in general
What Jonno and Ryan said is bang on where my feelings are with it 🥹
I think its good as long as it's regulated say only turn it on for an hour or two a day so people can keep on top of thier lives back home. It unlocks the outdoors for more people that can't be disconnected for long periods so I think overall it's a good thing.
On the plus side of the column, I can spend far more time away when I have internet access. So it's a yes for me....
you go out in the bush to get away from it all but some people just cant . like that other bloke he can check invoices and just rubbish like that leave work behind or dont go.
Which tyre repair kit do you use ( as there are so many on the market) and I don’t which is best . Can you please give me you advice
yes, as a usa traveler for decades checking morning messages is a thing. after that there is alot of chores and fun waiting in this world. we as humans need to disconnect more often. your idea of 1 hour daily seems to fall within the normal range of small bisnuss owners.