Hey mate just watched your review. Now a truck towing 60T of fuel is not heavier than its load. I've had 200 series, ram, patrol etc towed large boats and caravans. Now I had a van it weighed 3.9T empty. Un modified 200 series towed it easily and stable. But wanted to be compliant, brought a Ram and fuck me I was on the wrong side of the road trying to tow with this van. I now have a Mercedes, and I find it to be the best tow vehicle I've ever experienced. (ML 63) It blows my mind that I wasted so much money on the Japan cars and a second hand cheap Merc blows them all away.
The 70 with an interior upgrade, coil conversion and rear axle correction is pretty much unbeatable... But should come with all that stock for the price.
If I can have my choice of one vehicle to do it all, it would be the 300 series. The 2.8 is just too small for towing. My second choice would be the new Prado.
The AUS NB1 Quartermaster Cab Chassis (base trim) Petrol has a kerb weight of 2,446kg & the Diesel has a kerb weight of 2,527kg both including 90% fuel tank full & all other fluids at the correct level. The total gross weight of both versions is 3,550kg Higher trim levels do have a higher kerb weight. E.g. Trialmaster with dual battery, tow pack, additional wiring, RAI, KO2 tyres, diff locks, smooth pack, all adds approx. 100kg. So with load capacity is 1,104 kg & 1,023 kg respectively with 81 litres of fuel. Most manufacturers either don't include the fuel or don't state if it does or not when they quote a kerb weight. So if you add a Norweld canopy & tray at 289 kg and the extras for Trialmaster spec at 100 kg that still leaves 700 kg & 625 kg respectively. Logic says you would add an extended fuel tank at the same time.
A Toyota fortuner would be a budget option with a few small mods, they can tick all the box’s. But a great insight vid, in how to look at purchasing the next rig for exploring. Keep up the great work
The new Nissan patrol Y63 isn't coming with a 140L tank its around 96L off memory with rewatching the launch and fuel consumption advertised was around 10L per hundred. Sometimes it pays to get all the facts before putting out content
Ay Ronny A consideration regarding payload weights is whatever is being towed, at least 10% of that weight lands on the towball and therefore contributes to reducing the available payload. So, if towing a 3t van there’s an extra (at least) 300kgs added to the vehicle weight.
On the towing segment: Having towed a 3.5 ton trailer (loaded to that weight) multiple times now with a Grenadier, I feel comfortable in saying it tows like a dream. I have had one moment where my trailer was behaving a bit sketchy, but that was on account myself doing a bad job at loading it, and the weight was way too far back, but there were three 750kg prefab concrete slabs on my trailer so I couldnt just move them forward a few centimeters.
@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing It definitely has a lot of luxurious features. But if the brochure says it can tow 3.5 ton, you can be damn sure Im going to pull 3.5 ton with it. And on the topic of luxury, arguably, Im stepping down. Since my previous car for towing was a Disco 4, which also pulls 3.5 ton but is a lot less forgiving due to its lower tongue weight rating (350kg vs 150kg)
I like this channel and content but must admit i really do miss the "out bush" stuff. Far too much of this type of content now.. the ratio should be the other way round like it used to be.. lots of camping/4wding with a sprinkle of comparisons/testing/reviews/whatever.
Given how many i see parked at my local bunnings, your Ram pricing has to be WAY off. You can get a Z71 Silverado for sub $150k No way the Ram is over $200k
Ronny, go easy on all the AI images mate. They've certainly got their place, but very overdone here, especially when you're inaccurately portraying all the vehicles.. It's coming across as a bit rushed, clickbaity content. Some of your older stuff seemed a bit more genuine and thoughtful. Things like introducing the six vehicles you want to talk about first would also be a good idea. I don't mean to be critical, but thought you might appreciate the feedback. Cheers for the content nonetheless!
Going to chime in here also; really miss the older Ronny style, not the "SMASH, BOOM" popup graphics and bouncy/shifting text everywhere, and some AI stuff in this one. The channel occasionally looks like a late night TV ad, and not in a good way
Great info. Been out of the loop for a while and this has been great as I’m looking to buy a new 4wd soon. Prob go with the 300 series and upgrade the GVM.
Ronny, get your facts straight Ram 1500 Bighorn $114k drive away Curb weight - 2519 kg GVM - 3450 kg Payload - 931kg Fuel tank - 98 Litres Consumption. - 12.2 L / 100 Range approx 800 km
Thanks for your efforts, Ronny very informative as usual. Personally, I'm looking to upgrade the Hilux GR Sport to the Cruiser 250/Prado. The GRS is a rocket if only they had that tune for the 2.8 in all variants. I've still got an old 60 series wagon over 600K on the clock (love it) it's done some serious tracks in the day. But now with my business I need a more refined vehicle for weekdays and a camper toe vehicle for weekends... Love the shape of the new Prado GVM upgrade a must do!
After extensive research for a grey nomad multiple big laps use case, the best solution was an LC300 GXL with a pre rego Lovells 3800 gvm upgrade, which also increased the CGM as a bonus.
One important question, how many dogs will you be taking with you? When you are discussing towing capability, you should also check the GCM as well as GVM.
The reason the payload is so low on the RAM is Australian license laws. In the US, the GVM and GVCM is way higher. In Australia, you need a truck license to drive them loaded up. Some people convert them to truck rego and get way more use out of them, but not many people have that license.
The pay load is not marked down in Australia all the American 150 size trucks have a low pay load that is why there are gvm upgrades available. The 250 class is certainly marked down to fit to the Australian ADR and licensing.
Am looking at purchasing a 4WD for touring purposes. The majority of the time touring will be spent in northern WA and central Australia during the dry season. I have driven a number of the vehicles you have commented on for testing purposes. Travel will be limited to two people, probably living out of the vehicle. I consistently come back to the 76 GXL for range and practicality i.e. repair, and if confronted by challenging terrain. Tyres will probably be 33's or remain stock.
I ended up with Grenadier is a great Vehicle in the mountains running over pass over 3000 meters plus love the space over Jeep and the new Bronco. I though you like to know the LC250 has smaller Petrol tank here only 67.75 litters in it hybrid config. Grenadier is 89.7, extra 10 to 20 liters would have been welcome.
I have had a deposit on 250 Prado since February. Needed to buy something and found a 2.8L 76 Workmate, which I bought last month. I too am keen to see how the Prado stacks up, but I am very happy I’ve not got the payload issues as I have a ~2800kg caravan. Absolutely loving the 4cyl 76 series. Will we see a V6 diesel in the 70 series down the track? I reckon we will. One day. Keen to see more on kitting out the 76 as a tow rig with some day trip ability.
ram 1500 is 110k. a ram 2500 doesn't even cost anywhere near that at 170k and ram 3500 at 194k you also didn't state the tare weight of the 78 series 2395kg
Good lineup of vehicles that would be on most peoples starting list to narrow down. I've owned a V8 76 series, and they are not a family car. I think the new 4 cyl would be good with some comfort suspension, interior upgrades, and sound deadening but still have the axle correction issue. I think that if considering a 76, a 250 series prado base model GX with GVM upgrade would be a more comfortable and cheaper option to a 76 series GXL with additions to make it comfy(ish). Keen to see what Y63 is like also, they are very roomy and fuel prob not that bad compared to 200/300 series, cheers.
Great video and a very fair comparison. I was going towards buying an Ineos which I think is a really capable vehicle. However, when I added comfort, wife and kids.. end up buying Landcruiser especially since it’s been on my wish for quite some time.
RAV4 awd hybrid is all I need 😂 , tows a small trailer for odd jobs, zippy and quiet for around town (let’s face it where most of the cars you listed will be driving), and I can actually park it in an underground car park, range is 800km and rated for cheap 91 Ron fuel. Former 200 series owner and these are fantastic for the open road and Offroad but huge compromises everywhere else. Great list, but missing from your list would be the Lexus GX, prado with a nicer engine and interior
we had the nothing like a V8 gas hog , U.S. spec LC200 and lexus GX460/470 or prado , one should just get a 4RUNNER trd off road non premium , do like the GX 550 overtail [ non + model } if one needs a true low range in their wagon / s.u.v.
From a European view, we all love the 70 series, but struggle with supply, but it seems you need to chuck 10's of thousands at it to make it work, axle correction, seats, soundproofing, suspension. My Stock IG two seat van is the dogs, just swapped out the Bfgs for Cooper stt pros for UK mud. I work in forestry and fencing, and come from an oil exploration background. Best completely stock vehicle was the 2007 2.4 tdci defender. Sadly missed. Or older solid axle hilux. Are you doing any longer trips, I'd like to see you and Torbs do the Canning.
The term “fit for purpose” is a term used in fleet management. That term covers a range of requirements and also includes “whole of life costs” and “oppertunity cost” ie forgoing one oppertunity for another. So fuel economy maybe higher on your list than towing capacity. Or say 2 fuel tanks at90 litres each for overlanding rather than 80litres and jerry cans…
Case in India, just got a 2.8 Fortuner 4x4, Manual Transmission. 204 BHP 420nm. I believe the 2.8L is a potent engine. We don’t have the LC 250 or the Prado here in India. Only available is LC 300 ZX (misses on Front Lockers and KDSS ) I wish we had LC250 or LC 300 Sport or any other SUV mentioned on the video 😅
It would be great to compare off-road dual-cabs expensive to cheap, like GWM Cannon XSR, to Ram 1500 TRX, ford raptor, SILVERADO ZR2, Toyota HiLux Rogue, Nissan Navara SL Warrior. Which one is not only the best for off road but in terms of mods to be able to do extreme off roading.
New Patrol very interesting. My understanding is fuel around 12l per 100, tank is 140l, vehicle is longer and wider. Great space. Major interior upgrade. I like.
There seems a couple of mitakes in this video. The fuel consumption and tank size for the Y63 seem to be taken from the Y62 spec. The Dodge Ram starts at approximately $100k and goes up to $240k.
I live next door to ford dealership in Port Augusta and the amount of Rangers brought in by truck is astonishing Please do not have a go at me for living in Port
@@jomonaghan1954 yeah those new ones have issues. Another company on site has a fleet of them and they are not much better than the Colorados from a few years back we are trying to get rid of from our fleet
Ronny were the hell do you get your figures from once again you can't believe any thing you say i can get a ram 1500 for $90 k drive away free service for three years rego and sales tax PAID stock drive away from Rockingham RAM. Why didn't you include the Silverado $110 Drive away carries 1100 kgs?
in the U.S SAME 80 /40 series , LEXUS GX470 V8 aka prado also we have the 4runner my most wanted , no patrol sold new in the U.S. since 1969 , we do have the Y62 sold as the lame named armada . but like most wagons sold in the U.S a 3 row luxury family school bus . loaded with all the power luxury car bits
I think I'll stick with my V8 for now, long term or next vehicle, unless my aspirations change dramatically or there are deficiencies surface with the 2.8 70's I'll probably go that away? Thank you for the well balanced and well researched video, informative as always
Hope you have chance to sometime review also some Chinese offroads as Bao 5, Tank 300-400, U8 etc. many of them are hybrids with 600+ hp and range over 1000km, so would be interesting to hear perspectives from somebody that has lot of real life off-road experience!
From the US: I was surprised about the RAM payload, range and especially price. It see the RAM 1500 as the lower price option here....but the payload and range! I have a 24 GMC 2500HD with pop up camper and filled with gear. I get about 640KM range with a 136L tank. Rides like a buckboard at times.
If we are only putting these 6 on the table for my own choices, then I would only pick two. The two I would choose is the Y63 Patrol and the Grenadier. Why those two? Well let's start with the Patrol. Here in the states we do not call it a Patrol, but instead the Armada. I can tell you that it is a straight out Luxury Vehicle that can haul a family around town and on long trips as needed. Also here in the States(who knows about Down Under) it is being equipped with the VR Series Engine which was introduced in the Nissan GTR. It is a powerhouse with great reliability based off the VQ Series Engine. Of course you still need to do the maintenance or it will fail(and that applies to any vehicle you have). That said I would not bother taking it OffRoad. It tells me that it doesn't belong there. As for the Ineos Grenadier, I would have fun with that as a Tourer. I'm pretty sure anyone here would enjoy that simply for the classic look and the way it was designed. The review you have given so far makes that pretty cool to understand, but I'm not going out and buying one as I do enjoy my 2012 D40 Frontier. Why not a Ram? Because I have seen how much they are truly not worth. They are absolute garbage. Why not a Toyota? I have way too many reasons here, but let's just go off of the good old Toyota Tax!! Way too many individuals think I should over pay for something that does not get that great of fuel range(at least in the states) and definitely doesn't have the power. Also let's face it...... You pay how much for a 70 Series and get how much? I can't justify the price. It just doesn't make sense.
None of these cars here in oz are value anymore. Too much tech and are marketed for the dream, most spend their life in the town. The American cars are insanely priced as well. They have replaced the family wagon. I don’t see how the average person can afford them.
@@billmccarthy5920 look at any modern vehicle today any you will find a bunch of tech, you are correct about that. Here in the States the only truck I would consider buying new is the D41 Frontier. It's the only Truck that is still pretty basic even with all the tech that is on there. Everything else is just too much. Should I also mention that it's easy to work on and still priced well?
@@chrisfanchier2318 true. I personally just bought a low mileage (175km) 1992 GXL 80 series manual turbo diesel for $35k AUD. drives beautifuly and very easy to self maintain with virtually no electrics. I just can’t justify a new car but still do remote camping trips with the missus. Has no airbags or antilock brakes though.
LC 70 series wagon in AUZ $ with on road is $83964 = $57974U.S per Toyota auz web site for price with al fees and convert to U.S $ . a new sequoia TRD PRO its more 3 row luxury family school bus than a utility wagon why do I need a standard moon roof ? , now a $85k sequoia 1794 TRD OFF ROAD when one converts auz $ to U.S. $ we are paying LC 300 money before on road fees or tax and license
Mention payload and towing. Didn't mention ball weight which is included in payload. 80kg up to 250kg + on big vans. Also a GVM upgrade, if car is then loaded to that GVM, cuts down your tow weight unless you get a GCM upgrade which is very difficult post rego. Two big factors in a tow vehicle you "forgot" to mention.
My input, the 70 series may be rated to carry that payload but put that weight in it and the arse is on the ground & the front axle as light as. Handling would be atroustious, bad enough unladen. Towing 3.5 tonme is just lethal.
For me I would like in about 5 years a 250 prado or 2.8 70 series. For now though with my wife's mobility issues it will be a v8 diesel range rover with acces mode.
Hi Roni I recently changed my 3 year old Dual Cab 79 V8 for a Dual cab 79 2.8ltr. I tow a 29ft 3500Kg 5th wheeler full time around Aust. Maybe because of the goose neck tow ball connection point over the rear axles the thing tows like a DREAM even though the car is lighter than the van. can you do a segment on how much better 5th wheeler s are to tow etc.
When such an “open ended” question gets asked , something exactly like this: the response , situation depending , should be and is usually the most unlikely one that a person would least expect. In this case , my answer would lean towards the Very Licensed and Very Legal Name .. with very Real make and model numbers if name doesn’t work. Toyota Hilux - Rugged . The collab with an Australian 4x4 riders company, offering customisation to 12 or 24v system, crawl modes , harness options if that’s a route you’d want to go. All factory warranted etc. couldn’t go wrong for price point , definitely shop around coz they do vary from shop to shop. But ultimately Ultra affordable.
Ok your details are a bit off … video seems unpolished but I get the drift. Got a mate who works in the mines, his missus works in a well paid job, combined they can afford a decked out 300 I’d like a 70 series but it’s hard enough to pay off my sr Hilux I think your prices likely way low, except for the ram which is just wrong
Love your work Rony. Particularly this episode. I’m purchasing a 2600 kg caravan. I’m ready to buy a 76 series - should I buy 2.8 or V8. I can’t decided between the unstressed V8 with good resale or the 2.8 that drives better. Thanks Andrew
Hi Ronny. Awesome video and info. Whats you take on the ford everest v6. ive done some reading up and its stats is up there with the vehicles and its been designed in Oz
I spend 99.9% of the time on the road. I think if I was going to do something really challenging I would get something old that wouldn’t bother me if it broke.
I'm in this mix atm. Need to replace my Pajero & finding it hard to come to a decision. 300 or 250? Y62 or ineos? Used 200? All in that price range. Differences in range and payload are important for tourers. Has me thinking more strongly for the ineos but then why not just go for the 300 for pretty much same $$$. Difficult AF. And at the end of the day if you spend 100k you want a few luxuries and tech in the car for that sprt of money. And then you gotta take it down the track and commit to what that might entail.
I just took delivery of my first 300. It’s good but a bit underwhelmed. It’s a boring drive but the fuel consumption is around 10.3. Not bad for it. I’d have got a ram except it wouldn’t fit in the garage! Steve 🇦🇺
Where is the F150,250 and the Silverado? I just checked and found that a F150 2023 XLT SWB for $118,783 drive away (LWB is $119,833). A Lariat LWB version comes in at $154,648 drive away. All have 4.5 ton towing and are 3.5L V6 10 speed Auto. I wish they were manuals.
@BatmanRZ is correct. Like the 300 series, uses the same TNGA platform, that’s how they get the same tank size as the 300 series. Co op toyota confirms this tank amount.
I don’t know, but have friends that own a Ram and none of them did pay 140 to have it on the road. The big horn is 115k driveway. Now I will have to look for all the other cars price.
I thought the new Prado 250 has a 110 litre fuel tank. If so it would significantly alter the range ranking (currently own a 2023 Prado with dual tanks)
@@Car-crazy I have specs issued by Toyota Australia to my dealer. It lists 110l between two tanks, just like the 300 series. It better be right since I am committed 🙂
@@petero1 seems like the tank size is different for different countries. Seems a bit strange that, but maybe due to Australia being so big, they put a bigger fuel tank I suppose.
Hey mate just watched your review. Now a truck towing 60T of fuel is not heavier than its load. I've had 200 series, ram, patrol etc towed large boats and caravans. Now I had a van it weighed 3.9T empty. Un modified 200 series towed it easily and stable. But wanted to be compliant, brought a Ram and fuck me I was on the wrong side of the road trying to tow with this van. I now have a Mercedes, and I find it to be the best tow vehicle I've ever experienced. (ML 63) It blows my mind that I wasted so much money on the Japan cars and a second hand cheap Merc blows them all away.
The 70 with an interior upgrade, coil conversion and rear axle correction is pretty much unbeatable... But should come with all that stock for the price.
If I can have my choice of one vehicle to do it all, it would be the 300 series. The 2.8 is just too small for towing. My second choice would be the new Prado.
All new cars suck - ruined by emissions targets, too much tech and too many beeps
emission crap can removed by a mechanic, guessing the same with all the beeps
Terry, You nailed it.
@@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing Not legally
@maverick2242 nothing is legal, most cars with luggage, passangers and downball weight of a trailer is over its GVM
This is why the Jimmy is the only good new car
The AUS NB1 Quartermaster Cab Chassis (base trim) Petrol has a kerb weight of 2,446kg & the Diesel has a kerb weight of 2,527kg both including 90% fuel tank full & all other fluids at the correct level.
The total gross weight of both versions is 3,550kg
Higher trim levels do have a higher kerb weight. E.g. Trialmaster with dual battery, tow pack, additional wiring, RAI, KO2 tyres, diff locks, smooth pack, all adds approx. 100kg.
So with load capacity is 1,104 kg & 1,023 kg respectively with 81 litres of fuel. Most manufacturers either don't include the fuel or don't state if it does or not when they quote a kerb weight.
So if you add a Norweld canopy & tray at 289 kg and the extras for Trialmaster spec at 100 kg that still leaves 700 kg & 625 kg respectively. Logic says you would add an extended fuel tank at the same time.
A Toyota fortuner would be a budget option with a few small mods, they can tick all the box’s.
But a great insight vid, in how to look at purchasing the next rig for exploring.
Keep up the great work
The new Nissan patrol Y63 isn't coming with a 140L tank its around 96L off memory with rewatching the launch and fuel consumption advertised was around 10L per hundred. Sometimes it pays to get all the facts before putting out content
There’s no way the Y63 will use 16L. A Y62 doesn’t use that.
Ronny, I think you are quoting a Ram TRX. There are Ram Tradesman in the $90 K range and you left out Ram 2500 as an option.
Ay Ronny
A consideration regarding payload weights is whatever is being towed, at least 10% of that weight lands on the towball and therefore contributes to reducing the available payload. So, if towing a 3t van there’s an extra (at least) 300kgs added to the vehicle weight.
On the towing segment:
Having towed a 3.5 ton trailer (loaded to that weight) multiple times now with a Grenadier, I feel comfortable in saying it tows like a dream.
I have had one moment where my trailer was behaving a bit sketchy, but that was on account myself doing a bad job at loading it, and the weight was way too far back, but there were three 750kg prefab concrete slabs on my trailer so I couldnt just move them forward a few centimeters.
@casper6800 the grenadier looks like a luxury car in person
@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing It definitely has a lot of luxurious features. But if the brochure says it can tow 3.5 ton, you can be damn sure Im going to pull 3.5 ton with it.
And on the topic of luxury, arguably, Im stepping down.
Since my previous car for towing was a Disco 4, which also pulls 3.5 ton but is a lot less forgiving due to its lower tongue weight rating (350kg vs 150kg)
RAM 1500 Big Horn is $110k drive away. Where are you getting $230k from?
That’s the price of the discontinued TRX, which is in another league.
TRX RAM vs GXL Landcruiser. Talk about comparing apples and oranges.....
I assume he saw the RAM 3500, which is about that price. Also saw on carsales RAM 2500 brand new for 240k
Plucked it from thin air i think
the Big Horn has a high GVM and GCM
They sell new ram big horn for $110k driveaway here in Melbourne.
I like this channel and content but must admit i really do miss the "out bush" stuff.
Far too much of this type of content now.. the ratio should be the other way round like it used to be.. lots of camping/4wding with a sprinkle of comparisons/testing/reviews/whatever.
Did I just see an 18 min Toyota add??
It's a Ronny Dahl video... There will never be another winner 😂 he's pushing hard on the 2.8 70 series, he's all in on it now
Just a touch bias
if he opens up his accounting for the financial year you'll see 60k from toyota
Toyota...... When only the best will do!
Toyotas sell themselves mate.
Given how many i see parked at my local bunnings, your Ram pricing has to be WAY off. You can get a Z71 Silverado for sub $150k
No way the Ram is over $200k
Wow, bargain
At the end just buy what 4wd that makes you happy
If it doesn't meet your needs, you'll not going to be happy
@@hi9580 why would you buy one that doesn't meet your needs? Surely nobody is that dumb
@@chestogaming51 that what hes saying bro, none of them meet the needs anymore
Ronny, go easy on all the AI images mate. They've certainly got their place, but very overdone here, especially when you're inaccurately portraying all the vehicles.. It's coming across as a bit rushed, clickbaity content. Some of your older stuff seemed a bit more genuine and thoughtful. Things like introducing the six vehicles you want to talk about first would also be a good idea. I don't mean to be critical, but thought you might appreciate the feedback. Cheers for the content nonetheless!
Going to chime in here also; really miss the older Ronny style, not the "SMASH, BOOM" popup graphics and bouncy/shifting text everywhere, and some AI stuff in this one. The channel occasionally looks like a late night TV ad, and not in a good way
I agree got my 250 a few weeks ago I love it so far
Great info. Been out of the loop for a while and this has been great as I’m looking to buy a new 4wd soon. Prob go with the 300 series and upgrade the GVM.
And i will continue to promote toyota for the duration of my contract
Ronny, get your facts straight
Ram 1500 Bighorn
$114k drive away
Curb weight - 2519 kg
GVM - 3450 kg
Payload - 931kg
Fuel tank - 98 Litres
Consumption. - 12.2 L / 100
Range approx 800 km
whats with all the AI generated images?!
They look very odd. Aren't there enough real pictures of these vehicles?
One of them showed a Nissan "Patroo" 😂😂😂
Thanks for your efforts, Ronny very informative as usual. Personally, I'm looking to upgrade the Hilux GR Sport to the Cruiser 250/Prado. The GRS is a rocket if only they had that tune for the 2.8 in all variants. I've still got an old 60 series wagon over 600K on the clock (love it) it's done some serious tracks in the day. But now with my business I need a more refined vehicle for weekdays and a camper toe vehicle for weekends... Love the shape of the new Prado GVM upgrade a must do!
Ram 1500 isn’t $230k. Ram 2500’s brand new are $175k. They have a towing capacity of 4.5 tonne, gvm 4495 and kerb is 3600
The 1500 model referenced in the video retails in Australia for $249,950
The Ram 1500 model referenced is $249,950 aud
$95k-$130k driveaway
Not Ronnie’s best video. Loads of factual errors.
that's a derated 2500 for car license, ram 2500 can tow 8 tonne
After extensive research for a grey nomad multiple big laps use case, the best solution was an LC300 GXL with a pre rego Lovells 3800 gvm upgrade, which also increased the CGM as a bonus.
One important question, how many dogs will you be taking with you? When you are discussing towing capability, you should also check the GCM as well as GVM.
The reason the payload is so low on the RAM is Australian license laws. In the US, the GVM and GVCM is way higher. In Australia, you need a truck license to drive them loaded up. Some people convert them to truck rego and get way more use out of them, but not many people have that license.
The pay load is not marked down in Australia all the American 150 size trucks have a low pay load that is why there are gvm upgrades available.
The 250 class is certainly marked down to fit to the Australian ADR and licensing.
I had a 2005 1hz toyota landcruiser 105 series and loved it. Looked at a 79 series, but for the money. I ordered a V6 Ford Ranger platinum.
Am looking at purchasing a 4WD for touring purposes. The majority of the time touring will be spent in northern WA and central Australia during the dry season. I have driven a number of the vehicles you have commented on for testing purposes. Travel will be limited to two people, probably living out of the vehicle. I consistently come back to the 76 GXL for range and practicality i.e. repair, and if confronted by challenging terrain. Tyres will probably be 33's or remain stock.
Stick to a Toyota.
Parts are plentiful if needed.
You don’t see mining companies using a Dodge Ram for example
I ended up with Grenadier is a great Vehicle in the mountains running over pass over 3000 meters plus love the space over Jeep and the new Bronco. I though you like to know the LC250 has smaller Petrol tank here only 67.75 litters in it hybrid config. Grenadier is 89.7, extra 10 to 20 liters would have been welcome.
I have had a deposit on 250 Prado since February. Needed to buy something and found a 2.8L 76 Workmate, which I bought last month. I too am keen to see how the Prado stacks up, but I am very happy I’ve not got the payload issues as I have a ~2800kg caravan. Absolutely loving the 4cyl 76 series.
Will we see a V6 diesel in the 70 series down the track? I reckon we will. One day.
Keen to see more on kitting out the 76 as a tow rig with some day trip ability.
ram 1500 is 110k. a ram 2500 doesn't even cost anywhere near that at 170k and ram 3500 at 194k
you also didn't state the tare weight of the 78 series 2395kg
Those prices on the RAM . Is that is U.S. dollars ?
@@johncunningham4820 australian dollars
Good lineup of vehicles that would be on most peoples starting list to narrow down. I've owned a V8 76 series, and they are not a family car. I think the new 4 cyl would be good with some comfort suspension, interior upgrades, and sound deadening but still have the axle correction issue. I think that if considering a 76, a 250 series prado base model GX with GVM upgrade would be a more comfortable and cheaper option to a 76 series GXL with additions to make it comfy(ish). Keen to see what Y63 is like also, they are very roomy and fuel prob not that bad compared to 200/300 series, cheers.
I think Ronny has been using too much chat GPT
Great video and a very fair comparison. I was going towards buying an Ineos which I think is a really capable vehicle. However, when I added comfort, wife and kids.. end up buying Landcruiser especially since it’s been on my wish for quite some time.
I drive a 1992 Range Rover 4.6 gasoline V8 . Not your type of vehicle but I love it .
Thank-you for the video. Off-road performance would also be a useful metric... on a 4wd specialist channel 😉
RAV4 awd hybrid is all I need 😂 , tows a small trailer for odd jobs, zippy and quiet for around town (let’s face it where most of the cars you listed will be driving), and I can actually park it in an underground car park, range is 800km and rated for cheap 91 Ron fuel. Former 200 series owner and these are fantastic for the open road and Offroad but huge compromises everywhere else. Great list, but missing from your list would be the Lexus GX, prado with a nicer engine and interior
we had the nothing like a V8 gas hog , U.S. spec LC200 and lexus GX460/470 or prado , one should just get a 4RUNNER trd off road non premium , do like the GX 550 overtail [ non + model } if one needs a true low range in their wagon / s.u.v.
From a European view, we all love the 70 series, but struggle with supply, but it seems you need to chuck 10's of thousands at it to make it work, axle correction, seats, soundproofing, suspension. My Stock IG two seat van is the dogs, just swapped out the Bfgs for Cooper stt pros for UK mud. I work in forestry and fencing, and come from an oil exploration background. Best completely stock vehicle was the 2007 2.4 tdci defender. Sadly missed. Or older solid axle hilux. Are you doing any longer trips, I'd like to see you and Torbs do the Canning.
The term “fit for purpose” is a term used in fleet management. That term covers a range of requirements and also includes “whole of life costs” and “oppertunity cost” ie forgoing one oppertunity for another. So fuel economy maybe higher on your list than towing capacity. Or say 2 fuel tanks at90 litres each for overlanding rather than 80litres and jerry cans…
Would have liked to have seen ford everest and mitsubishi pajero.
Recently ordered a GXL LC 76 85K drive away. It was the load carrying capacity that swayed me to the 70 series and not a Prado.
The 250 Prado has two fuel tanks , 110 litres , so its range is higher than in the video
Hey mate. I have the GX 300 and the load is 785 which puts it in 2nd place!!!!
No pick ups! 1) Hilux. 2) Prado 250.
No brainer.
Case in India, just got a 2.8 Fortuner 4x4, Manual Transmission. 204 BHP 420nm. I believe the 2.8L is a potent engine. We don’t have the LC 250 or the Prado here in India. Only available is LC 300 ZX (misses on Front Lockers and KDSS )
I wish we had LC250 or LC 300 Sport or any other SUV mentioned on the video 😅
It would be great to compare off-road dual-cabs expensive to cheap, like GWM Cannon XSR, to Ram 1500 TRX, ford raptor, SILVERADO ZR2, Toyota HiLux Rogue, Nissan Navara SL Warrior. Which one is not only the best for off road but in terms of mods to be able to do extreme off roading.
Do this for used cars and also include FJ cruser, 100 series and Y61 patrol
New Patrol very interesting. My understanding is fuel around 12l per 100, tank is 140l, vehicle is longer and wider. Great space. Major interior upgrade. I like.
Good info thanks, price wise and as allrounder = would be the prado 250 for me
There seems a couple of mitakes in this video. The fuel consumption and tank size for the Y63 seem to be taken from the Y62 spec. The Dodge Ram starts at approximately $100k and goes up to $240k.
A tow truck driver was telling me he has had a lot of Rams broken down and I wouldn't say there are that many on the road...
I drive a tilt tray and have more landcruisers than rams on it.
@@craigpeacock5352 yeah when you have 18000 rams compared to 1 million LandCruisers statistically you should get a few more
I live next door to ford dealership in Port Augusta and the amount of Rangers brought in by truck is astonishing
Please do not have a go at me for living in Port
@@jomonaghan1954 yeah those new ones have issues. Another company on site has a fleet of them and they are not much better than the Colorados from a few years back we are trying to get rid of from our fleet
Toyota south Africa lists the 250 prado as having a 110L fuel tank. Make sense as it runs the same chassis as the 300
It’s 110L here in Aus as well. The GX550 Lexus is only 80odd though.
Can you do a video on wagons vs utes for long distance off grid trips? Particularly smaller cargo space wagons like the Jeep JL vs a pickup
Fantastic assessment, I feel all would need work before you set of on a lap
Most wanted 4WD and Wrangler or Defender is not even there ??
Also what is RAM doing there ? It's a truck, not SUV.
Ronny were the hell do you get your figures from once again you can't believe any thing you say i can get a ram 1500 for $90 k drive away free service for three years rego and sales tax PAID stock drive away from Rockingham RAM. Why didn't you include the Silverado $110 Drive away carries 1100 kgs?
Every time I watch your channel I thank god for my 99 XJ.
Love my Grenadier! Fits all the requirements of modern family life, touring, and off-road 🤙
Spot-on-assessement-Ronny!
Thank you for the video. So what 4WD should I buy ?
The most wanted are 80/105 series, 40 series, Prado, & GQ/GU
in the U.S SAME 80 /40 series , LEXUS GX470 V8 aka prado also we have the 4runner my most wanted , no patrol sold new in the U.S. since 1969 , we do have the Y62 sold as the lame named armada . but like most wagons sold in the U.S a 3 row luxury family school bus . loaded with all the power luxury car bits
I think I'll stick with my V8 for now, long term or next vehicle, unless my aspirations change dramatically or there are deficiencies surface with the 2.8 70's I'll probably go that away? Thank you for the well balanced and well researched video, informative as always
Hope you have chance to sometime review also some Chinese offroads as Bao 5, Tank 300-400, U8 etc. many of them are hybrids with 600+ hp and range over 1000km, so would be interesting to hear perspectives from somebody that has lot of real life off-road experience!
From the US: I was surprised about the RAM payload, range and especially price. It see the RAM 1500 as the lower price option here....but the payload and range! I have a 24 GMC 2500HD with pop up camper and filled with gear. I get about 640KM range with a 136L tank. Rides like a buckboard at times.
New Patrol is 97L tank, making room for future hybrid drive train likely.
Stock FJ Cruiser tank was 159L from 2013 models onward.
2 year waiting list for the Prado Altitude so had to buy GX 550. Toyota need to get their act together when servicing the Australian market
You can get a ram certified as a light truck and up the gvm and gcm with a truck license
If we are only putting these 6 on the table for my own choices, then I would only pick two. The two I would choose is the Y63 Patrol and the Grenadier. Why those two? Well let's start with the Patrol. Here in the states we do not call it a Patrol, but instead the Armada. I can tell you that it is a straight out Luxury Vehicle that can haul a family around town and on long trips as needed. Also here in the States(who knows about Down Under) it is being equipped with the VR Series Engine which was introduced in the Nissan GTR. It is a powerhouse with great reliability based off the VQ Series Engine. Of course you still need to do the maintenance or it will fail(and that applies to any vehicle you have). That said I would not bother taking it OffRoad. It tells me that it doesn't belong there.
As for the Ineos Grenadier, I would have fun with that as a Tourer. I'm pretty sure anyone here would enjoy that simply for the classic look and the way it was designed. The review you have given so far makes that pretty cool to understand, but I'm not going out and buying one as I do enjoy my 2012 D40 Frontier.
Why not a Ram? Because I have seen how much they are truly not worth. They are absolute garbage.
Why not a Toyota? I have way too many reasons here, but let's just go off of the good old Toyota Tax!! Way too many individuals think I should over pay for something that does not get that great of fuel range(at least in the states) and definitely doesn't have the power. Also let's face it...... You pay how much for a 70 Series and get how much? I can't justify the price. It just doesn't make sense.
None of these cars here in oz are value anymore. Too much tech and are marketed for the dream, most spend their life in the town. The American cars are insanely priced as well.
They have replaced the family wagon. I don’t see how the average person can afford them.
@@billmccarthy5920 look at any modern vehicle today any you will find a bunch of tech, you are correct about that. Here in the States the only truck I would consider buying new is the D41 Frontier. It's the only Truck that is still pretty basic even with all the tech that is on there. Everything else is just too much. Should I also mention that it's easy to work on and still priced well?
@@chrisfanchier2318 true. I personally just bought a low mileage (175km) 1992 GXL 80 series manual turbo diesel for $35k AUD. drives beautifuly and very easy to self maintain with virtually no electrics. I just can’t justify a new car but still do remote camping trips with the missus. Has no airbags or antilock brakes though.
LC 70 series wagon in AUZ $ with on road is $83964 = $57974U.S per Toyota auz web site for price with al fees and convert to U.S $ . a new sequoia TRD PRO its more 3 row luxury family school bus than a utility wagon why do I need a standard moon roof ? , now a $85k sequoia 1794 TRD OFF ROAD when one converts auz $ to U.S. $ we are paying LC 300 money before on road fees or tax and license
My 2012 Prado ZR has 3 Tonne Towing Cap, but I dont know anyone who has a trailer that heavy to try out.
Mention payload and towing. Didn't mention ball weight which is included in payload. 80kg up to 250kg + on big vans. Also a GVM upgrade, if car is then loaded to that GVM, cuts down your tow weight unless you get a GCM upgrade which is very difficult post rego. Two big factors in a tow vehicle you "forgot" to mention.
My input, the 70 series may be rated to carry that payload but put that weight in it and the arse is on the ground & the front axle as light as.
Handling would be atroustious, bad enough unladen.
Towing 3.5 tonme is just lethal.
The Ram is the only one that could be a 5th wheeler.
Great video! Make one of pickup 4x4!!
For me I would like in about 5 years a 250 prado or 2.8 70 series.
For now though with my wife's mobility issues it will be a v8 diesel range rover with acces mode.
I think you might be pricing the RAM Trx Ronny. And the tow rate is more like 4.5t. Which changes its performance stats as well
Hi Roni
I recently changed my 3 year old Dual Cab 79 V8 for a Dual cab 79 2.8ltr.
I tow a 29ft 3500Kg 5th wheeler full time around Aust.
Maybe because of the goose neck tow ball connection point over the rear axles the thing tows like a DREAM even though the car is lighter than the van. can you do a segment on how much better 5th wheeler s are to tow etc.
Genadier or Prado for me, but for now my 100 Series GXL (kitted for touring while towing a 1.1t camp trailer) remains bloody hard to beat IMO.
When such an “open ended” question gets asked , something exactly like this: the response , situation depending , should be and is usually the most unlikely one that a person would least expect.
In this case , my answer would lean towards the Very Licensed and Very Legal Name .. with very Real make and model numbers if name doesn’t work.
Toyota Hilux - Rugged . The collab with an Australian 4x4 riders company, offering customisation to 12 or 24v system, crawl modes , harness options if that’s a route you’d want to go. All factory warranted etc. couldn’t go wrong for price point , definitely shop around coz they do vary from shop to shop. But ultimately Ultra affordable.
Ok your details are a bit off … video seems unpolished but I get the drift.
Got a mate who works in the mines, his missus works in a well paid job, combined they can afford a decked out 300
I’d like a 70 series but it’s hard enough to pay off my sr Hilux
I think your prices likely way low, except for the ram which is just wrong
Ram is 230000 if it's the trx, it's price is 90-120
Love your work Rony. Particularly this episode. I’m purchasing a 2600 kg caravan. I’m ready to buy a 76 series - should I buy 2.8 or V8. I can’t decided between the unstressed V8 with good resale or the 2.8 that drives better. Thanks Andrew
@@andrewmcgavin5253 V6 diesel ranger/amarok
Hi Ronny. Awesome video and info. Whats you take on the ford everest v6. ive done some reading up and its stats is up there with the vehicles and its been designed in Oz
Grenadier I want to drive myself but the vehicle you have I would buy!
I spend 99.9% of the time on the road. I think if I was going to do something really challenging I would get something old that wouldn’t bother me if it broke.
I'm in this mix atm. Need to replace my Pajero & finding it hard to come to a decision. 300 or 250? Y62 or ineos? Used 200? All in that price range. Differences in range and payload are important for tourers. Has me thinking more strongly for the ineos but then why not just go for the 300 for pretty much same $$$. Difficult AF. And at the end of the day if you spend 100k you want a few luxuries and tech in the car for that sprt of money. And then you gotta take it down the track and commit to what that might entail.
Keep the Pajero, save your money
@@trippingaround5675 V8 diesel Q7, 27k
250 prado! Been on the waiting list for more than a year.
Prado is best, you get all the capability for less cost
I just took delivery of my first 300. It’s good but a bit underwhelmed. It’s a boring drive but the fuel consumption is around 10.3. Not bad for it. I’d have got a ram except it wouldn’t fit in the garage! Steve 🇦🇺
Next time, test drive a new defender. I guarantee you will be impressed
The chuckle when you said .. soccer practice 😂😂
Those prices make the Mahindra look pretty good
Where is the F150,250 and the Silverado? I just checked and found that a F150 2023 XLT SWB for $118,783 drive away (LWB is $119,833). A Lariat LWB version comes in at $154,648 drive away. All have 4.5 ton towing and are 3.5L V6 10 speed Auto. I wish they were manuals.
Why would you want a manual transmission in a American truck? The 10 speed auto is great and leave a manual well behind.
250 Prado has 110l tank dude
How do get the 110L fuel tank on a 2024 250 Prado? We only get the 67L?
@BatmanRZ is correct. Like the 300 series, uses the same TNGA platform, that’s how they get the same tank size as the 300 series. Co op toyota confirms this tank amount.
I'd love to see a second hand older vehicle version of this. Everything I want to do would void the new vehicle warranty
I don’t know, but have friends that own a Ram and none of them did pay 140 to have it on the road. The big horn is 115k driveway. Now I will have to look for all the other cars price.
I thought the new Prado 250 has a 110 litre fuel tank. If so it would significantly alter the range ranking (currently own a 2023 Prado with dual tanks)
it does. Ronny got this one wrong.
@petero1 Actually it doesn't it actually only has an 80L fuel tank. I checked on Toyota's website here in Japan.
@@Car-crazy I have specs issued by Toyota Australia to my dealer. It lists 110l between two tanks, just like the 300 series. It better be right since I am committed 🙂
@@petero1 seems like the tank size is different for different countries. Seems a bit strange that, but maybe due to Australia being so big, they put a bigger fuel tank I suppose.
Just checked on car sales (03/11/2024) 2024 Ram 1500 drive away price $144,000 where do you get $230,000 from?????
Got a built 80s, looking for a 60s to sit alongside the big 80 and will be my daily, enough said.
Old is the new new.