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FYI The one with the actuator only costs $250 USD in the Philippines and then only $45 a month for about 250 down and 50 up. They would not be providing equipment and monthly internet at a loss for large amounts of people on a regular basis. Other countries also get lower prices as well....
Do you know that the chipset does not come more robust to compensate for mobile? It could be using a much more powerful processor to calculate phased array use. Do you KNOW what is inside it? Motors may not be the only extra cost.
You said why would they want why would somebody want to put it on a pole because of snow obviously if it can't move how's it supposed to stay clean to be able to see the satellites if the snow is coming down and covers it
I've had my gen 2 dish since June of 2022. The service has only gotten better over time. I use roughly 1.5 TB a month. I've had no issues with live streaming or gaming. Overall it's been one of the best ISPs I've had. Even better than Xfinity when I lived in the city.
1.5TB a month, wholly crap. We have two people working from home (WebEx, Zoom and Teams meetings galore) and three/four people on the internet, streaming etc and barely ever approach 1TB.
@@jefferyshallI download a few games per month. Live stream multiple times per week, and upload videos often. I think downloading games is the biggest contributer.
We use over a TB too I hope they don't start doing the data caps and charging for going over everything is digital now so we use more data then what we used to. What was 500 gb was alot that's now what 1 TB is or more. It's crazy
I use this new "Standard" Roam with my RV and it is GREAT!! Love it. Setup and easy to align. Took 10 min max. Up & Running with great Downlink/Uplink speeds!! A++++ from me.
Original dish, early beta tester. Still going strong through many Wyoming winters. I like the idea of fewer moving parts, thus even more reliable. Higher power almost certainly to power the additional antennas. It has to be able to go further off optimal angle in some cases, and now it can only do that via beamforming with stronger signals to compensate for lobing losses.
You get a wider field of view, you can use it while moving (not recommended with the motor) you get the ethernet (already $30 off), it is lighter and way easier to handle, got a 24V dc plug, got a detachable cable (not fixed as the old model) and I think way worth the money. Also, as it is a phase array inside, orienting electronically I could not care less how much Space X has to pay (they are paying on top anyway) because the build cost has nothing to do with the consumer price. I think the new model is the better one, as test show faster downloads even while moving and not perfectly aligned.
Just got back from a month on the boat from st petersburg to the bahamas with version 3, mobile package ($150). Flawless performance entire trip, even in 44 knot T-storm. Signal was cut off 15 miles off of Ft Lauderdale and came back on 15 miles from Bimini as predicted. Had voice over internet cell service entire time crossing Lake Okechobee which we never had before and free cell in Bahamas through Starlink. Unexpected benefit- We keep our boat docked behind our house. The signal was strong enough to serve all tv's and computers in the house so we cut the cord with cable, using RUclips TV now. Also added one Starlink Mesh repeater and now entire property has Starlink Wifi from the boat. Overwhelming success and no intermittent dock wifi.
As usual, J, perfect content and delivery…. For all experienced and new SL customers, we thank you. BTW, I have the mobile backpack, with “standard” set up for mobile subscription. I have used the for work off a roofed porch hotels, parking lots, woods, building roofs, etc. I am wary of losing the automated set up where the motor moves the dish to the best spot per location. I do not have to fiddle around for hours pointing the dish. Motorized works better when there is not complete clear sky. And, depending on time of day and sats overhead, it will adjust to keep signal and improve it. Lower power draw is better. Many of the times in use for mobile, I am using smaller solar generator to power the mobile kit. It will last for more than 13 hours (or much more) with no sun to recharge. Even cloudy days is enough to recharge plus run system. Adding more power to allocate may dictate larger solar cells and generator for mobile apps. Here is what I think…. Test them both in mobile setting. Same exact location. Might have to do test back to back (possible interference with two close together). Make the test where the sky is not 100% unobstructed from SL perspective. See how they compare in set up/tuning, and performance. I volunteer to bring mine to FL and test at a location with you J. We should figure out a way to get a new mobile set up for testing. We will be in your neck of the woods early December for short time. And during month of Feb-first half of March. Let me know if this makes sense.
You're forgetting 3 important things: - Articulation was absolutely necessary when there were many times fewer satellites in the air, and they were harder to find. - SpaceX does not like unnecessary moving parts, so if adding more antennas and a wider view will work, then they will do that, and it will only improve as they add thousands more satellites over time. - Once the stationary panel has a wide enough field of view to match the available satellites, it seems to be better as indicated by its use for commercial connections, and Musk's claim that his own aircrafts connection tends to have impeccable speed and reliability. Edit: Independent engineering analysts suspected that they were subsidizing the cost of the original antennas, due to the cost associated with phased array antennas usually more common for military uses etc than residential.
That was my guess, is that the original antenna design was a loss leader. They probably cost more to make than they were selling them for and making up the difference over the life of a subscription. The new design makes it more affordable to manufacture and no longer sells at a loss. By increasing the usefulness of it, minus the one-time extra steps when setting it up (using an app to aim it), I think it's an overall benefit. And as noted, less parts means less that can break. Those motors would eventually wear out or break, and as SpaceX says, the best part is no part.
@@ytmadpoo Exactly. I can't remember which channel it was, but someone tore down the original antenna and explained how it works pretty well, and why most companies would choose to save the cost and use a dish instead.
They actually lose a lot of money on the Gen 2. The argument that they have more Sats as time passes is a sound argument but at the end of the day who knows what will happen years from now. I would rather have it be able to move if it needs to.
Hi. I took the motorised one. Just bought the ethernet adapter. I bypassed the Starlink router with a TP-Link Archer AX55 to get better wifi performance for my tablet and my smartphone and other accessories. Every other connections, is with cable Rj45 Cat7. Thanks for your video. Hello from brussels, BELGIUM.
I'm a trucker. The roof of my sleeper is fiberglass, and any antenna I'd use will be mounted up against the inside of the ceiling, pointing (more or less) straight up. Since price isn't a factor, I'll likely go with the new dish due to its wider field of view. The inside unit is irrelevant, as I'll go with a direct Ethernet connection via a modded cable. (I'll need to shorten the 50 foot cable by about 40 feet.)
Good video. I watched your video this evening because a neighbor asked me to find out something about Starlink antennas. He’s decided to use Starlink. I have the old style antenna and I’ve been very happy with it, but my understanding, which I think came from you, was that the newest antenna was less expensive. We both have had our antennas for a couple of years or more, from a time when Starlink had significantly fewer satellites up there. As we continue to get more satellites, we may not need as much tweaking of the antenna over time. If it’s a couple of hundred dollars less expensive, I would take the new one if I were buying today.
I’m SO HAPPY I purchased the 2nd Gen 2 months before they first changed the price (mine is locked in at discounted $90 rate) about 3 months ago! I decided to mount it to the eves on the side of my roof and will most likely purchase a mobile high performance unit if needed. Also picked up an ASUS AX11000 PRO GT using its 10g WAN port. I originally set it up on my front lawn and was experiencing about 15% obstructions (bottom portion hitting top of trees) but since we put it on the roof its been super fast and NO spinning wheel of death. I LOVE MY GEN 2 for its built in snow melt heater and self articulation! Thanks J for creating great content for everyone to enjoy all while getting the best info needed to make the best informed decision. (I am also located in New England and the dish pretty much stays at its original 33 degrees NE).
Completely agree. I was excited about the new unit and not having to carry the large stand would be a big plus for me but wish there was a DC option. Can't imagine using the new version and fuss with trying to align on a pole but while traveling/camping, the new one have great potential but not worth the extra spending to trade it until they come out with a no stand and DC option.
No, the new antenna does not have to cost less just because there are fewer (as in no) moving parts. I have a Gen 3. I’ll be using it for RV and travel use. It can and will be run on 12V without the use of a inverter. Plus, I never point the antenna in any specific direction when I setup. The antenna is mounted to my RV and is pointing straight up. It has worked perfectly each time.
My Gen 2 blew off the roof of the RV about a year ago, been using it in the stuck pointed strait up (perfectly flat/horizontal) position ever since and still works flawlessly.. Just ordered the mini, glad to see they have an ethernet out port as I use a 3rd party unifi dream machine.
Thanks for the thoughtful review. For the last year, we’ve have the standard articulating dish mounted flat on our camper’s roof, which disables the motors. I did a couple of tests before mounting it and found that allowing the dish to aim itself made no significant difference. The more streamlined design of the new dish is great, but I just wish Starlink would offer the router without the router part! Many have reconfigured the articulating system to use 12V power so they can use a low-power 12V router. It would be great to have a dongle that consisted of a power supply and an ethernet port to connect to any router. (But at least this one has a power brick - it’ll be interesting to see what power consumption will be if the power brick is replaced with a 12V buck booster.) With the high monthly cost, the purchase point is not a tipping point. (Especially when we’re all carrying around $1,000 cell phones.) How long until Starlink is bundled with Starlink Cell? :) For me, the decision to get the new dish will hinge mostly on performance. If it’s even better at piercing through tree cover (which is rarely a problem with our current dish) I’d strongly consider it.
100% agreed. I like how much more simpler and thinner it is but like you said it has the big con of it not having the rotation mechanism. I also do agree it should be cheaper because it doesn't have the self-adjusting system. I do agree that this might be good for somebody who has an RV, plane or boat. Yeah I also am a little bit skeptical because I don't know how it'll do if it's mounted in a singular place. At least on an RV and a boat because they are much lower in the atmosphere compared to a plane. So I could see how a plane might perform better than residential or RV and boat.
what do you mean it should be cheaper? it already gives you bigger antennae and bigger bandwidth (as proven by a lot of gen 2 vs gen 3 comparison videos) for the same price and service cost
I'm coming up on my first full winter with Starlink. I usually get 2 or 3 snowfalls of nearly 2 feet so I have dishy on a 3 foot pole on the roof of a 2 story house. If the heater can't keep up with a brisk snowfall, I can put it into the nearly vertical stow mode momentarily to clear the face. Not going to be able to do that with the fixed one.
0115 Hi, I'm a first time buyer of the Starlink and live on the westcoast, in Oregon. They offered a $200.00 reduction for 1st time customers within their "geotarget area " . The surprise was I didn't get to choose the Starlink Actuater, they told me they automatically give the customer the Standard kickstand dish Kit. I was told this was the only option because it's the newer, upgraded version. Cost was $299.00 + $20.00 to ship. I'll install it at the coastal home. Please note, they could have threw in the dish pole adapter for free so one wouldn't have to purchase it. I feel the kickstand isn't a very good feature to mount onto the roof, especially if you need to resadjust it occassionally. They give you the dish but point you towards Accessory purchases just to mount the unit. After seeing your review, I'm rethinking how I'll attatch this kickstand feature to the roof, so I can have the ability to adjust it if needed. Make my own locking swivel base?!! Thanks!
they are basically removing the features that give you ease-of-use, for the sake of better internet, which is the core function. you just have to deal with the initial hassle. also, i noticed the wifi router tends to get hot a lot. you might want to keep it cool with a fan if you don't want it to break. mine did.
thank you for our reviews. really helped. i will settle for the second gen. i loved it when i saw it could alter itself, so reduces the stress to find out it wasnt aligned to do so manually
Here in New Mexico, after you conveniently set your new dish on a table, you may come back an hour later and have to follow the cables across your lawn to track down where your dish sailed away to. That's true with most states in the West. The wind blows and at times blows hard. Even sandbagging it would be tentative.
Great video. For me, the roaming service works best...problem I have had is unplugging it multiple times and having issues with the Gen 2 cord. I have had my gen 2 replaced by Starlink 3 times due to problems with the cord. Send out a new cord to find out the internal connection on the dish is damaged. Could be a damaged cord or damaged connector on the dish. While I wasn't happy with the price of the new Gen 3, I purchased solely on the new RJ45 type connection. That said, I wish they would have just kept with the Gen 2 actuated unit and re-designed the connection method. The Gen 2 problem is with the roaming function. Leaving the Gen 2 plugged in at your home and never unplugging it solves the problem of constantly traveling and needing to disconnect and reconnect the unit. The Gen 2 cord/plug is a big weakness.
I currently own two of the second Gen dish and I can tell you that I can totally see how everything has improved over time. I don't see this new dish being better than the second gen, so I won't be upgrading. I agree with everything you say, it doesn't feel like an upgrade, plus I enjoy the convenience of the dish to automatically adjust itself.
I think more emphasis should be brought to bear that there are more Active Elements on the larger Sq inch dish that will improve reception both in angle of view, and clouds / tree cover. That would also account for the additional power usage. And put less emphasis on lack of motor movement. That would also account why no change in price. ie: more electronics, less mechanical = same price, more reliable.
"Not $599 hardware." Based on the wider scan angle, the new Standard Dishy has to have more active elements. (This tends to be supported by the higher power consumption.) So the savings from the removal of the mechanical movement is offset by the higher cost of the additional electronics. I'm actually surprised the new Dishy isn't priced higher than the current one.
Given the three actuated dishes that have failed for me, maybe the simpler dish would likely be more reliable. But climbing up two stories to adjust is a PIA. Maybe the kickstand dish with an old fashion antenna rotator would work. Just a thought.
On all three cases the router lost communication with the dish. Heater was turned off in the last two cases, which were also refurb units with new attached cables. Starlink never said what failed, they just send a replacement refurb unit.
@@kenbo80 I just went through the same experience with Starlink , I purchased my original set up in July of 23 worked fine till March 24 , reached out to Starlink , they said my router needs to be replaced , sent a new one , still didn't work , reached out again , they sent me a refurb unit , sent back old setup , so far working fine and using the second router as a mesh extender
I'm in the process of ordering Starlink but wanted to see more of your videos before deciding on the final product. After watching this video, you now have me thinking of which dish I would be better off with. I plan on installing this on the roof where I have the Viasat dish and mount still there after cancelling that service several months ago. However, after viewing the Starlink Residential Service Plans, the only choice available for a dish is the new recommended standard dish (unless I'm missing something). The previous one is no longer on the web page. Plus with this new dish I'll have to visit the Starlink shop and order the proper mount(s). Thanks for the video!!
As far as adjustment the old direct TV dishes had to be aligned on poles and roofs. One thing you didn't consider on the price, since the new dish is bigger and requires more power my thinking is that it has more cells or is a stronger receiver and transmitter to compensate for being slightly off alignment. So you may actually be getting more for the money
@@jcristina As someone who has 2 decades in the industry as an engineer, the lack of actuators in the new dish is NOT a big deal & a non-issue. First & foremost, the actuators in Starlink dishes did NOT play a role in them tracking satellites. Their main purpose is general aiming during setup. To aim at an optimal path NOT the satellite per se. In other words the actuators just makes setup as easy as possible. Also unlike DirecTV & Dish Network dishes which just stamped pieces of metal that must be aimed directly at the satellite, the Starlink dishes are phased array antennas. That means these are beam steering dishes. Starlink dishes can steer it's beams precisely at an overhead satellite and even track it as the satellite moves across it's arc in the sky. Second, given that the new dish is larger, that most likely means they've added more elements to the new dish increasing the width of the arc it can steer it's beam. Adding more elements but removing the actuators equals out the price tag. Lastly, given that Starlink has been steadily increasing the number of satellites in it's constellation, finding an optimal arc (path) is even easier now. The main take-away is phased array technology was only available to the military; Then it came to commercial applications like cell towers in the 2000s. Now that same technology is now available to consumers. Phased array antenna technology allows the steering & pointing w/o having to physically orient at the endpoint. All that is required is to point in the general direction.
@@TheWallReports From another engineer with 2 decades of experience in the industry I recommend everyone to read this post before making your own post. If you still aren't clear about how the Starlink system works, google a definition of phased array and one of Starlink System Operation.
I'm getting the version 2, here in the french countryside. Last of these units at 250 euros, on sale, with the ethernet adapter at 40 euros, standard monthly of 40 euros. I have to fix mine on top of the chimney and so your info was crucial to my situation, well done and thank you. PS, my adsl is the same per month and gives me, at best, 5 Mbit down and 1 Mbit up - I'm hoping to see some considerable improvement.
My thought is they kept the price the same as the other units so that people wouldn't buy the wrong dish for them just because of the price. Unless I was going to be mobile, I would not buy the new unit. Even then, the self-actuating unit is not that much of a burden to take with you in an RV.
Just setup my fixed transceiver. The obstruction part of my app was not above orange on anything. Im doing 20ms 200-300mb down and 15+mb upload.. So far- Its been much better than my Xfinity. No rj45's for my network is a bit of an issue, but I can work around it for now. So far, I am amazed and couldnt be happier considering the price.
I have the “standard” with the motors, live in SW Washington and Starlink points about 338 degrees. Mounted on a flag pole from EEZ RV about 25 feet from ground. For what ever reason Thursday night football streams poorly. No complaining MUCH better than anything else we have had in the last 20 years, we live 30 miles out in the country.😊.
There are local guys here that mod their Gen2 (the actuated version) by dissecting them (motor disabling/removal) and adding their own power supplies. In spite of doing these things, they're not using their 'Frankensteined' equipment for mobile use...just on their roofs if their houses. Its like a cool thing to do - trendy I guess. They say it makes their equipment 'better' Not too sure I understand the motives in play with these guys, but the Gen3 (kickstand) seems like an answer to their 'problems' I have a Gen3 on a pole that I can rotate & lock in place if I ever need to. Three months going strong with no adjustments necessary. All is good! My salute to Elon & Starlink ❤
As always JCristina you produce great video content. Well in the beginning we had the Gen 1 which I still use for $499 subsidized from approx.. $3k to build, then they came out with the Gen2 which went up in price because of inflation or market value which was again subsidized from approx. $1500 to build. Now we have Gen 3 which carries the same price tag but I would imagine the cost to build is aprox 800 imo. Starlink recently announced that that they are making money so the question is way back in the beginning Gwynne Shotwell COO for Starlink said in a broadband conference that once they get the costs down and Star link out of black hole that it was in at the time financially they will bring the costs down as things become cheaper to build yet here in the US there has been no cost reduction yet. It's probably more about demand and knowing that they can charge the same as there is presently no competition in the LEO Sat spectrum. imo
I just found since yesterday, you can buy standard dish with $50 50GB roam with in motion. This is what I always prefer to have. $50 50 GB roam plan used to be limited to mini only.
The most discussed item in the mobile community is how to disable the motors, remove the pole and flat mount the dish. Bet the mobile guys will happily pay
No. I’m definitely 100% not going to “upgrade”. Should mention too that with the actuated receiver, not only will it align itself in the background for best connection, it can sense when snow or ice accumulates on it and will automatically run the melt function. This is FANTASTIC tech for me where I live. Especially seeing how it’s mounted 3 stories up. Won’t have to worry about in any weather. Not sure if this new one has that or not.
I've had the Gen 1 Dishy since Feb 2021 and its been great at re-orientating itself. The new router is WiFi 6 which is better than my current WiFi 5 but I have Starlink because our thick stone-wallled house is in the countryside so can't use mesh and the Ethernet ports are important to have my own wired repeaters which are Tri-band WiFi 6 so I have that covered a different way. I think I'll stick for now with Gen 1 Dishy.😊
I basically agree with you. Personally, I would go for the motor and lower power consumption model -- even if it is an older model. Who wants to keep running outside and adjusting the antenna when your internet drops. In the Philippines, they are selling the newer model with the higher power consumption. However, in the Philippines, where I live, electric power is extremely expensive. If my monthly power bill is $200 to $250 here, it would probably be $70 - $95 in the US. People try to avoid buying electrical appliances here. So I would want the lowest wattage unit I could get. They are significantly reducing cost to the units, and giving you a couple of crumbs in return. I really can't believe they took the self-adjusting motors out of the Antenna.
I would get v.2. I agree that the motor-less version should be cheaper. My guess is that they are trying to average out their dish construction expenses. I'm still going to wait before jumping into starlink...Still too many growing pains. Great vid and thanks for the info.
I'm a RVer I have the gen 3 the one with the kick stand. I do not know but I have been told that the speed is faster but I really do not know if this is true or not. Being a RVer we have had places where we could not get a clear site of the sky but we were able to watch TV , streaming , and email with very little problems. Most of the time we have to place it some distance from our motorhome in order to get a better shot between the trees and this seems to work out better for us being able to do this. Seems like in the past people want to setup underneath trees everywhere , but with satellite internet its a bigger problem. I will order a longer cable so that this will give up better places to get signals. My wife is a gamer so when shooting between trees the 6 to 20 mbps seems not to work unless there is a somewhat clearing to the sky.
I am glad they got rid of the stupid right-angle connections on the cables. I had to cut a 1" hole in my wall to fit the cable through using the old one.
Hay Joe, anyone that can afford a mobile starlink I am sure has a solar system that can keep a 100 watt drain running 24/7, nothing to worry about, hay you have a great 👍 channel keep it up 😊
looks like you conclude it wrong. it is exactly for better signal strength, that the gen 3 has bigger dish than gen 2. you do have to deal with the hassle of positioning the unit (for optimal signal), but after you do, the gen 3 gives you better bandwidth than gen 2. lots of gen 3 vs gen 2 videos had shown that.
Really glad I bought two awhile back one for standard one for roam at 199$ cdn each. Although to deactivate mobile now, they charge you 80$ a pop each time you re -activate. I think the flat new ones are good for the people wanting to integrate ( mount) to the roof of there campers. Today 46 down 7.7 up
I checked out a couple of RV life videos and they took their starlink dish and basically it's mounted flat on the roof of their rig. It's pointing straight up and they're getting good service. With the size of the constellation nowadays I don't see any reason to go through all the nonsense. You just need to fabricate a housing for it to make sure it's secure in that flat upward position and you're done.
Ive had the 2nd gen dish for 4 months now its beautiful! non peak hrs pulling 250+ mbps peak hrs drops between 20-60 mbps but never any buffering or loss of service. I did purchase a 3rd party router for wifi 6 though
My thoughts are that the dish came out before all of the satellites are in place. I believe that there will be enough satellites up in orbit that will make it such that it will not matter where you point the dish. Eventually you will have multiple satellites above you at one time that will be usable by the sdish no matter how it is pointed and it will pick the best connection at the moment.
Dish Network got smart as they matured, and moved to leasing the equipment. What that did for Dish Network was allow the equipment to remain on the books, increasing the accrued assets of the company, allowing Dish to obtain secured assets loans which they used to build even more dishes, and fund the building and launching of more satellites and ground stations, which allowed them to add Locals via use of regional spot beam technology which allowed the reuse of the same transponder downlink frequencies multiple times for local tv channel distribution across the USA.
Just curious, why do you think lots of people where buying the Gen2 before Gen3 became available and cutting out the guts so it would not adjust? To me, it seems that there is a need for a flat unit for $599. I think it is because It would be much nicer to have a permanent receiver mounted on my boat or camper that was flat and out out the wind. I also think that SpaceX has added a lot more satellites since the first Gen2 was released and there is not as much of a need for the receiver to adjust anymore? The Pro model is flat and works fine from everything I read. Let me know your thoughts. With the Gen 3 you can get the convivence of the performance model by being mounted flat and also get the unlimited plan. To me it seems the lowest plan the performance model has is only 50G and more expensive than the unlimited Standard plan. I am trying to weigh my options before I purchase. This was my first time to view one of your videos, but will watch more and wait for your thoughts. BTW I am in the NE as well and plan to be on the water.
I think that these dished actually cost Starlink more than $1000. They are selling these at a loss to get you to signup. They eventually make up the different through monthly fees. So I think that why the two dishes are priced the same.
The phased array antenna is a pretty expensive piece of hardware. I used to work at a high end circuit board manufacturer and the material cost was high on that type of board because of the application. The antenna is the circuit board is almoat the size of the dish.
I was disapponted that we didn't get the v3 back in August, but now am glad we got the 2. For $599 for v3 thats nuts. Its $75 tops . Manual and power hungry ...no advantage in my books! Keep up the great work.
Wow I had no idea about those differences. I travel full time in a class A motorhome. I do not need another thing to worry about. I need to buy the 2nd Gen not just go with what they show is a package. I need to just put it on the picnic table or roof and not worry about going up and down. Thanks for the great video & what no one seems to talk about.
Here in Australia, where I live, I've watched mine change position at least 3-4 times a day as it tracks satellites for the best signal. It will be a complete pain if I have to get up on my roof every few hours to adjust the dish to maintain the best signal. I'm still annoyed that if you want to use the new router, it's not directly compatible with gen 2.
I have been watching your channel and waiting for this new dish to be available, but now I really need more concrete evidence on its operation and performance. Thank you Jay for posting this info. Please keep the updates coming, I am only getting 1.5 mb and getting very anxious.
The units are still heavily discounted compared to their manufacture cost. At least with the new one you’ve latest WiFi and phased array tech and because this is meant for RV use so many installs serving flat on the roof of their truck anyway, so the motors are actually a hindrance.
We RV with our Starlink, often times it is quite heavily wooded. We use a 30 foot telescopic pole and let the dishy do its thing! Can’t imagine using the other one too much.
Mine is out of line 11°. I didn’t bother going back on the roof to fix it and it’s working fine. I’m in the backwoods too. I think the fact that the wider angle of the new satellite makes it capable of not needing to be redirected. If I’m off 11° in the woods and it is still operating perfectly kinda makes sense.
Just bougt last week from Costco for $199 only to get home and find I need to order a mounting kit from starlink for $110 before I can finalize setup - now im waiting weeks gor the part to be sent lol
I've had my Gen 1 dish for a couple months short of 4 years and it has never changed orientation. The gen 1, and I assume the gen 2, always cost more than Starlink charged for them because they needed to get them deployed. If they are breaking even or making a few bucks on the new one I am OK with that. If my gen 1 died I replace it with a gen 3 simply for the fully replaceable cable with standard RJ45s on both ends.
I've got the actuator Dishy. Sailed from Vietnam to Canada with it mostly on the deck getting washed by waves. 7500nm. Worked fine. Back home it's reinstalled on my boat and running just fine. It's a very good piece of hardware. The kickstand just seems like a bad idea. Maybe a ball joint for permanent home locations. What I'd like is to have two Dishys and one account. I've got a boat, and a home. I am at one or the other, so it would be very easy for me to turn one server off before I drive to the other one. It took me two months to get through to Starlink about an additional $25/month Roaming fee tacked on to my $150 Roaming plan. They gave me back $25 (I guess the other $75 is???)
As always, great review and insights! Earlier this week I received an email from Starlink titled "Next Generation Starlink Early Access" which prompted me to jump up out of my seat. How exciting to be included in a Starlink VIP email list! Then, I realized that the Gen 3 Dish is a kit which contains the new Gen 3 router. I purchased the stand-alone Gen 3 router back in early August 2023. So, I emailed Starlink Support to ask if I could simply buy the Gen 3 Dish without the router. After a few email exchanges I was able to persuade Starlink to sell me the stand-alone Gen 3 Dish. I was beaming with excitement to get the latest Starlink tech. Then, once the high wore off, I noticed the new Gen 3 Dish was static (i.e. no actuator to automatically track the best connection to satellites above). Then JCristina saved me $600 by articulating who the new dish is for. The new static dish is not for me as I live in a city with trees and other rooftops... my dish which is placed on my roof is adjusting its position multiple times per day. Thanks JCristina for your infinite wisdom and dedication to your viewers. Keep doing what you're doing!
i just got my Gen3 standard in place on my roof. I am in KY and it is north with a slight eastern turn. I live in a rural area and the service I had was slow and cost nearly as much as the starlink, I have not had an issue with the service as of yet, I took the fold out stand off and mounted it to a ridge mount system. What I don't like as much is the router. It's ok but the range on it is not as good as my old router. but at the end of the day I am getting 120 to 270 mbps on average, which is six to eight times better than my previous provider. When you install it, you put it facing the direction you need and youre done. and if you mount it on your roof then you obviously can reach it. BTW I paid 499 for my kit.
So the question that comes to mind - is if the old one consumes less power, but has to power the motors to move it, why is the new one more expensive to operate? It's an antenna - it sits there.
technically, it is not just 1 antenna, there are hundreds inside. and each ones consumes electricity in doing their job. so with the bigger dish of gen 3, means there's more antennae inside, means more electricity consumption. this also means more internet bandwidth though, and more resilience to storms
As a former satellite tech, I can say from direct experience a thinner dish presents another problem. If a "flimsiness" or flex of the dish develops over time, it can seriously negate the receive signal strength, and create an unstable connection. Stick with the thicker model.
A lot of RV guys have been spending several hundred bucks to remove the actuator function on the V2 dishes so they can mount them flat on the RV roof. (not adjustable)This new dish might appeal to them because the modified V2 dish doesn’t move but its smaller than the new dish. The new dish might function better even though it’s not aligned just right due to its larger size.
I’ve had my Starlink for a little over a year now and love it. It’s on top of a 16 foot pole, so there’s no way I could easily get to it to change the alignment. It has changed position at least three times since I went live.
@@gandresen well from the specs I’ve read the angle doesn’t change only the direction. But ya being welded is not going to work I guess. So this dish isn’t for everyone.
I have the second generation and is mounted on the roof secured by bolts. The wind blows here quite fierce in the Spring. Since this antenna is solidly mounted and the dish orients itself I do not worry about dish moving out of alignment. SpaceX has changed the dish orientation over time, started out oriented NNW and has migrated to NNE over the past two years and likely has been reoriented to other positions I was unaware of. I am in central NM. The new version dish may be an advantage for mobile operators to quickly orient and move their dish and its large surface area able to overcome obscured sky by trees or buildings.
As an RV'er, I have the 2nd gen with the motor and I really like just setting it out and it adjusts by itself. I wouldn't want to have to point it. There are times when mine moves to get better reception. I'm not going to go outside and move my dish every time it needs to be moved because a satellite change is needed. Great video Thanks for making it. :)
We have our standard (articulating) dish mounted flat on the roof of our camper. It can't aim itself and we still get a great signal. I did a couple tests before mounting it and couldn't see any benefit to having the dish aim itself. Maybe the dish's aiming is more for traffic control than superior reception.
Hi JCristina! Thanks for your informative videos! When Starlink started sending out the round dish and then the first rectangular dish, the cost to produce was quoted at maybe $3000 per unit. It was projected to reduce over time, I have not heard for a while what their cost per unit is now. Maybe at this point each unit is still sold at a loss, so maybe it's still a deal. I got my rectangular dish in February 2022, later that year the motors froze and could not change position even though degraded service was still adequate (I use it on my RV) After complaining to Customer Service, they sent another unit at no charge (and asked to return the original). My take is that the motors are a complication (Musk: The best part is no part) that increases the cost to Starlink. I agree that the increased power requirement is an issue for many RV'rs, especially dry camping. I hope they can reduce the power comsumption in the future. Thanks Max
OG dish installed since better than nothing beta. Built like a tank. Looks just as good as the day I installed it. I hope it never fails because these new editions seem to be more “flimsy”.
Nice review. We use / install both commercial and residential dishes for our EPOS clients. Completely agree staying Gen 2., Our motorised dishes here in the UK move almost daily (even the commercial ones which are much larger). Having to move them up on roofs for either optimum speed or loss of signal would be a real problem for us. Sure, in the future when more satellites are flying it will be less of a problem, but for now, I don't worry about the the fact the dishes sort themselves out for the best signal and we don't get a phone call! Yes the new router looks better but 30 dollars for the dongle on the old one isn't a show stopper by any means. Also I would argue it much easier to mount the Gen 2 on buildings via the pole.
I used to setup large ( 10 foot ) and small Satelite dishes ... You had to manually adjust the position using the Sat reciever setup functions... basically fine tune it by hand moving it while watching the screen and listening to a tone... not hard and took a few minutes and after that the actuator would move it ( as you had to point at different satelites ).. setting up the non moving dish would be as easy....and one time in most cases ( if you mount it where it doesn't get moved / bumped. ) Yes it is more harder for most people..but i'm sure alot could figure it out... I'd recommend the moving self aligning dish to anyone of course... the newer dish would be more useful for a traveling setup....and you could have both ..one for at home..the new dish in your travel location...or RV etc... depending on cost of an extra dish? plus cables ( you would want one cable at each setup anyways ( for ease of installation and setup )...Routers would be one used everywhere..or you could upgrade the home to Gen 3 router and use your Gen 2 router at the Lake or RV travels?? If Starlink allows that usage??
@@jcristina I didn't do it as a Career...lol...i did it for my family or friends mainly and self taught... it was pretty simple anyways as i had a lot of skills that made me understand it easily.... and the manual explained it perfectly....i repair many things and was into Stereo equipment and Electronics in general...so i liked doing stuff myself ( as my Dad did too )... building home computers and learning Software was easy too.... I just saw the setup similar to what i had done.... setting up my Gen 2 was also made simple by Starlink...but some may need help...even when it is so easy now to get Free Help online....which i didn't have when younger ( 66 now )... just following beaten paths like most of us..🇨🇦🤓👍
I live off-road in the mountains of Mongolia. My dish should arrive next week - standard actuated dish. I plan to put my dish on the roof of one of my containers, then add ballast to the legs. I can get up there with a ladder but it's not convenient, so I think the actuated model sounds better for me.
I think you're correct the price of the new dish is too expensive. I also think starlink should offer some kind of trade-in or even bigger discount so current customers want to upgrade to the new router/dish.
mine points slightly NE in NW corner of NC. Also have it pole mounted to get zero signal block. 100% the new one would suck since I am pole mounted and that is a good point as many have to get off the ground to clear the tree lines. Having it the same price point is kinda BS too. Hopefully we get a good launch tomorrow for Starship! thanks as always for the content.
Interesting and informative video. I just found out that Starlink is now available in my country - Malaysia- and have been looking for information and reviews on this. Thanks!
Our dish direction is northwest from South Missouri. Also been getting a buzzing noise from dishy. Contacted support and they say this is normal. Haven't noticed any connection or performance issues. I agree with the new kits. Great video.
I think Starlink provided the self aiming of v2 ahead of its time trying to be something revolutionary not realizing those motors are going to get hot and break or just plain cost too much to include.. Seems logical to go back to basics and remove it for cost savings.. for those that have set up a v3 antenna before, you know how easy it is to do with the app and its like an easy bake oven.. set it and forget it.. to say "don't buy the new spacex starlink standard dish" is a bit misleading.
also one more thing ... dont forget the fact that starlink is paying almost 3000 usd for the hardware and maybe removing the motor save's them cost and maybe they secured the same connection speed with this direct fixed position
instillation has been a pain in my azzzzzz. to say the least. i live on the reservation so we're in the middle of nowhere, lots of trees on all sides of me. its hard to get a signal to start with but now that i have to "adjust" occasionally, i'll need to come up with a contraption. i have to consider animals, trees and mounting the unit to my home in a way that dictates i can reach it when needed. yeah, for this price i should've done more research. we needed something that gave better coverage but i hope all the trouble is worth it. the honeymoon hasnt even started and its already over.
I fucking agree. I've spent three long days trying it to get it set up. No real support and no phone number to call. Sent in a ticket LoL I have received I reply. That was questions. I replied two days ago and that so far is all I have gotten.
The stationary antenna is premature. They are still launching new satellites into the network and the network needs to be reoriented for the new units. I like the new router but your correct the new antenna is a lot less expensive.
Hey Joe , So I was , at first , under the SAME impression regarding the manual alignment on Gen3 Dish. I fought with Starlink and wanted ( preferred ) a refurb Gen 2 over the Gen 3 for my Van which I camp in many locations. So I did a test. My findings are : Then Gen 3 after INITIAL alignment seems to have some type of Gyro inside to retain your signal once it initially is aligned for max reception. Well of course I did not believe this UNTIL a group in California who builds Gen2 flat conversions for mobile use and in motion use CONFIRMED they also tested the Gen 3 and found only a 10-15% degradation in signal while in MOTION. So other than my mounting pole base on the side of my van I used with my Gen 2 , There is little to no difference in the Gen 3 performance ONCE you initially obtained the Max Alignment. I asked if they had cut open a Gen 3 and if I could see this Gyro they attest to , and they refused stating Proprietary Technology agreements they have with Starlink. Hmmmm But anyhooters , I will do a few Mobile tests with Gen 3 soon and report back MY OWN analysis and let you know if its the same as the DishMount guys findings. Thanks Joe !! Tea on Brother !
Hi - so I have a question for you, please. Do you pay for the RV roaming dish, or can you get the "residence" dish and mount it on the RV or sailboat? I don't understand the differences in the prices because I assume all types "roam" to find the satellites? Unless it has to do with the AC or DC power. Sorry, total newbie to this topic so I'm trying to understand before ordering. Would love to have it for both home and RV... same dsh. :) Thank you!
I have G2 two antennas in different houses and no issues, and now I received an offer for the Gen 2 for $350 $99 a month. This came up on Facebook this week.
Travelling with RV, campervan or yacht normally you would have to drill a hole in the back once it centers and unplug the motor so it lays flat as you mount it in an accessible location on deck or camper roof the new dish lays flat and is more aerodynamic. I agree I would not use the new one for permanent household use but think as it states for roaming and RV its better - My option. Thanks for your videos and chats always interesting
The New Starlink "Standard" Non-Motorized Dish with a kickstand and Router combo is available. Today we look at the price, size, power consumption, and other factors that might have you rethink buying this new Starlink offering even as an RV mobile user.
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Do you know that the chipset does not come more robust to compensate for mobile? It could be using a much more powerful processor to calculate phased array use. Do you KNOW what is inside it? Motors may not be the only extra cost.
You said why would they want why would somebody want to put it on a pole because of snow obviously if it can't move how's it supposed to stay clean to be able to see the satellites if the snow is coming down and covers it
Now that one should be a lot cheaper I should be under a hundred bucks if I have to manually do it myself that's kind of BS
Totally agree it's definitely cheaper build but you're having to spend the same money
I've had my gen 2 dish since June of 2022. The service has only gotten better over time. I use roughly 1.5 TB a month. I've had no issues with live streaming or gaming. Overall it's been one of the best ISPs I've had. Even better than Xfinity when I lived in the city.
Likewise. 24 months of service so far here.
1.5TB a month, wholly crap. We have two people working from home (WebEx, Zoom and Teams meetings galore) and three/four people on the internet, streaming etc and barely ever approach 1TB.
@@jefferyshallI use 2-3 usually a month
@@jefferyshallI download a few games per month. Live stream multiple times per week, and upload videos often. I think downloading games is the biggest contributer.
We use over a TB too I hope they don't start doing the data caps and charging for going over everything is digital now so we use more data then what we used to. What was 500 gb was alot that's now what 1 TB is or more. It's crazy
I use this new "Standard" Roam with my RV and it is GREAT!! Love it. Setup and easy to align. Took 10 min max. Up & Running with great Downlink/Uplink speeds!! A++++ from me.
Original dish, early beta tester. Still going strong through many Wyoming winters.
I like the idea of fewer moving parts, thus even more reliable.
Higher power almost certainly to power the additional antennas. It has to be able to go further off optimal angle in some cases, and now it can only do that via beamforming with stronger signals to compensate for lobing losses.
Yep
You get a wider field of view, you can use it while moving (not recommended with the motor) you get the ethernet (already $30 off), it is lighter and way easier to handle, got a 24V dc plug, got a detachable cable (not fixed as the old model) and I think way worth the money. Also, as it is a phase array inside, orienting electronically I could not care less how much Space X has to pay (they are paying on top anyway) because the build cost has nothing to do with the consumer price.
I think the new model is the better one, as test show faster downloads even while moving and not perfectly aligned.
Just got back from a month on the boat from st petersburg to the bahamas with version 3, mobile package ($150). Flawless performance entire trip, even in 44 knot T-storm. Signal was cut off 15 miles off of Ft Lauderdale and came back on 15 miles from Bimini as predicted. Had voice over internet cell service entire time crossing Lake Okechobee which we never had before and free cell in Bahamas through Starlink. Unexpected benefit- We keep our boat docked behind our house. The signal was strong enough to serve all tv's and computers in the house so we cut the cord with cable, using RUclips TV now. Also added one Starlink Mesh repeater and now entire property has Starlink Wifi from the boat. Overwhelming success and no intermittent dock wifi.
As usual, J, perfect content and delivery…. For all experienced and new SL customers, we thank you. BTW, I have the mobile backpack, with “standard” set up for mobile subscription. I have used the for work off a roofed porch hotels, parking lots, woods, building roofs, etc. I am wary of losing the automated set up where the motor moves the dish to the best spot per location. I do not have to fiddle around for hours pointing the dish. Motorized works better when there is not complete clear sky. And, depending on time of day and sats overhead, it will adjust to keep signal and improve it.
Lower power draw is better. Many of the times in use for mobile, I am using smaller solar generator to power the mobile kit. It will last for more than 13 hours (or much more) with no sun to recharge. Even cloudy days is enough to recharge plus run system. Adding more power to allocate may dictate larger solar cells and generator for mobile apps. Here is what I think…. Test them both in mobile setting. Same exact location. Might have to do test back to back (possible interference with two close together). Make the test where the sky is not 100% unobstructed from SL perspective. See how they compare in set up/tuning, and performance. I volunteer to bring mine to FL and test at a location with you J. We should figure out a way to get a new mobile set up for testing. We will be in your neck of the woods early December for short time. And during month of Feb-first half of March. Let me know if this makes sense.
You're forgetting 3 important things:
- Articulation was absolutely necessary when there were many times fewer satellites in the air, and they were harder to find.
- SpaceX does not like unnecessary moving parts, so if adding more antennas and a wider view will work, then they will do that, and it will only improve as they add thousands more satellites over time.
- Once the stationary panel has a wide enough field of view to match the available satellites, it seems to be better as indicated by its use for commercial connections, and Musk's claim that his own aircrafts connection tends to have impeccable speed and reliability.
Edit: Independent engineering analysts suspected that they were subsidizing the cost of the original antennas, due to the cost associated with phased array antennas usually more common for military uses etc than residential.
That was my guess, is that the original antenna design was a loss leader. They probably cost more to make than they were selling them for and making up the difference over the life of a subscription. The new design makes it more affordable to manufacture and no longer sells at a loss. By increasing the usefulness of it, minus the one-time extra steps when setting it up (using an app to aim it), I think it's an overall benefit. And as noted, less parts means less that can break. Those motors would eventually wear out or break, and as SpaceX says, the best part is no part.
@@ytmadpoo Exactly. I can't remember which channel it was, but someone tore down the original antenna and explained how it works pretty well, and why most companies would choose to save the cost and use a dish instead.
I ordered Starlink a few days ago, and I love it! I can game as it has a very low latency, I downloaded 50 GB in two hours; very fast.
They actually lose a lot of money on the Gen 2.
The argument that they have more Sats as time passes is a sound argument but at the end of the day who knows what will happen years from now. I would rather have it be able to move if it needs to.
@@Dreadlk Starlink has almost 5,000 satellites in orbit. As time goes by, Space X plans to have 42,000 in orbit.
Hi. I took the motorised one. Just bought the ethernet adapter. I bypassed the Starlink router with a TP-Link Archer AX55 to get better wifi performance for my tablet and my smartphone and other accessories. Every other connections, is with cable Rj45 Cat7. Thanks for your video. Hello from brussels, BELGIUM.
I'm a trucker. The roof of my sleeper is fiberglass, and any antenna I'd use will be mounted up against the inside of the ceiling, pointing (more or less) straight up. Since price isn't a factor, I'll likely go with the new dish due to its wider field of view.
The inside unit is irrelevant, as I'll go with a direct Ethernet connection via a modded cable. (I'll need to shorten the 50 foot cable by about 40 feet.)
Good video. I watched your video this evening because a neighbor asked me to find out something about Starlink antennas. He’s decided to use Starlink. I have the old style antenna and I’ve been very happy with it, but my understanding, which I think came from you, was that the newest antenna was less expensive. We both have had our antennas for a couple of years or more, from a time when Starlink had significantly fewer satellites up there. As we continue to get more satellites, we may not need as much tweaking of the antenna over time. If it’s a couple of hundred dollars less expensive, I would take the new one if I were buying today.
I’m SO HAPPY I purchased the 2nd Gen 2 months before they first changed the price (mine is locked in at discounted $90 rate) about 3 months ago! I decided to mount it to the eves on the side of my roof and will most likely purchase a mobile high performance unit if needed. Also picked up an ASUS AX11000 PRO GT using its 10g WAN port. I originally set it up on my front lawn and was experiencing about 15% obstructions (bottom portion hitting top of trees) but since we put it on the roof its been super fast and NO spinning wheel of death. I LOVE MY GEN 2 for its built in snow melt heater and self articulation! Thanks J for creating great content for everyone to enjoy all while getting the best info needed to make the best informed decision. (I am also located in New England and the dish pretty much stays at its original 33 degrees NE).
Awesome.
Completely agree. I was excited about the new unit and not having to carry the large stand would be a big plus for me but wish there was a DC option. Can't imagine using the new version and fuss with trying to align on a pole but while traveling/camping, the new one have great potential but not worth the extra spending to trade it until they come out with a no stand and DC option.
There’s quite a few videos of people showing how to run these things off of batteries and other types of power
@@shockingguy Yeah. It uses POE, which is in itself DC, and is a widely understood standard that's been around for ages in the IT world.
No, the new antenna does not have to cost less just because there are fewer (as in no) moving parts. I have a Gen 3. I’ll be using it for RV and travel use. It can and will be run on 12V without the use of a inverter. Plus, I never point the antenna in any specific direction when I setup. The antenna is mounted to my RV and is pointing straight up. It has worked perfectly each time.
My Gen 2 blew off the roof of the RV about a year ago, been using it in the stuck pointed strait up (perfectly flat/horizontal) position ever since and still works flawlessly.. Just ordered the mini, glad to see they have an ethernet out port as I use a 3rd party unifi dream machine.
Thanks for the thoughtful review. For the last year, we’ve have the standard articulating dish mounted flat on our camper’s roof, which disables the motors. I did a couple of tests before mounting it and found that allowing the dish to aim itself made no significant difference.
The more streamlined design of the new dish is great, but I just wish Starlink would offer the router without the router part! Many have reconfigured the articulating system to use 12V power so they can use a low-power 12V router. It would be great to have a dongle that consisted of a power supply and an ethernet port to connect to any router.
(But at least this one has a power brick - it’ll be interesting to see what power consumption will be if the power brick is replaced with a 12V buck booster.)
With the high monthly cost, the purchase point is not a tipping point. (Especially when we’re all carrying around $1,000 cell phones.) How long until Starlink is bundled with Starlink Cell? :)
For me, the decision to get the new dish will hinge mostly on performance. If it’s even better at piercing through tree cover (which is rarely a problem with our current dish) I’d strongly consider it.
100% agreed.
I like how much more simpler and thinner it is but like you said it has the big con of it not having the rotation mechanism. I also do agree it should be cheaper because it doesn't have the self-adjusting system.
I do agree that this might be good for somebody who has an RV, plane or boat. Yeah I also am a little bit skeptical because I don't know how it'll do if it's mounted in a singular place. At least on an RV and a boat because they are much lower in the atmosphere compared to a plane. So I could see how a plane might perform better than residential or RV and boat.
what do you mean it should be cheaper? it already gives you bigger antennae and bigger bandwidth (as proven by a lot of gen 2 vs gen 3 comparison videos) for the same price and service cost
@@agps4418 read my comment and you'll know what I mean it should be cheaper. Not to mention JC also already said why it should be cheaper as well.
Got my standard setup today. Ordered it in July. Paid $250 from starlink directly during a sell. We shall see how it works.
I'm coming up on my first full winter with Starlink. I usually get 2 or 3 snowfalls of nearly 2 feet so I have dishy on a 3 foot pole on the roof of a 2 story house. If the heater can't keep up with a brisk snowfall, I can put it into the nearly vertical stow mode momentarily to clear the face. Not going to be able to do that with the fixed one.
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Hi, I'm a first time buyer of the Starlink and live on the westcoast, in Oregon. They offered a $200.00 reduction for 1st time customers within their "geotarget area " . The surprise was I didn't get to choose the Starlink Actuater, they told me they automatically give the customer the Standard kickstand dish Kit. I was told this was the only option because it's the newer, upgraded version. Cost was $299.00 + $20.00 to ship. I'll install it at the coastal home. Please note, they could have threw in the dish pole adapter for free so one wouldn't have to purchase it. I feel the kickstand isn't a very good feature to mount onto the roof, especially if you need to resadjust it occassionally. They give you the dish but point you towards Accessory purchases just to mount the unit. After seeing your review, I'm rethinking how I'll attatch this kickstand feature to the roof, so I can have the ability to adjust it if needed. Make my own locking swivel base?!!
Thanks!
I just paid $278 out the door, it’s being shipped to Baja Mexico but didn’t get an option to choose which model so that are sending gen 2 actuated.
they are basically removing the features that give you ease-of-use, for the sake of better internet, which is the core function. you just have to deal with the initial hassle.
also, i noticed the wifi router tends to get hot a lot. you might want to keep it cool with a fan if you don't want it to break. mine did.
thank you for our reviews. really helped. i will settle for the second gen. i loved it when i saw it could alter itself, so reduces the stress to find out it wasnt aligned to do so manually
Here in New Mexico, after you conveniently set your new dish on a table, you may come back an hour later and have to follow the cables across your lawn to track down where your dish sailed away to. That's true with most states in the West. The wind blows and at times blows hard. Even sandbagging it would be tentative.
Stake it!
Great video. For me, the roaming service works best...problem I have had is unplugging it multiple times and having issues with the Gen 2 cord. I have had my gen 2 replaced by Starlink 3 times due to problems with the cord. Send out a new cord to find out the internal connection on the dish is damaged. Could be a damaged cord or damaged connector on the dish. While I wasn't happy with the price of the new Gen 3, I purchased solely on the new RJ45 type connection. That said, I wish they would have just kept with the Gen 2 actuated unit and re-designed the connection method. The Gen 2 problem is with the roaming function. Leaving the Gen 2 plugged in at your home and never unplugging it solves the problem of constantly traveling and needing to disconnect and reconnect the unit. The Gen 2 cord/plug is a big weakness.
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I currently own two of the second Gen dish and I can tell you that I can totally see how everything has improved over time. I don't see this new dish being better than the second gen, so I won't be upgrading. I agree with everything you say, it doesn't feel like an upgrade, plus I enjoy the convenience of the dish to automatically adjust itself.
I think more emphasis should be brought to bear that there are more Active Elements on the larger Sq inch dish that will improve reception both in angle of view, and clouds / tree cover. That would also account for the additional power usage. And put less emphasis on lack of motor movement. That would also account why no change in price. ie: more electronics, less mechanical = same price, more reliable.
"Not $599 hardware." Based on the wider scan angle, the new Standard Dishy has to have more active elements. (This tends to be supported by the higher power consumption.) So the savings from the removal of the mechanical movement is offset by the higher cost of the additional electronics. I'm actually surprised the new Dishy isn't priced higher than the current one.
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Given the three actuated dishes that have failed for me, maybe the simpler dish would likely be more reliable. But climbing up two stories to adjust is a PIA. Maybe the kickstand dish with an old fashion antenna rotator would work. Just a thought.
How did they fail for you? Trying to gather some rationale to justify my desire for the hp dish lol
On all three cases the router lost communication with the dish. Heater was turned off in the last two cases, which were also refurb units with new attached cables. Starlink never said what failed, they just send a replacement refurb unit.
@@kenbo80 I just went through the same experience with Starlink , I purchased my original set up in July of 23 worked fine till March 24 , reached out to Starlink , they said my router needs to be replaced , sent a new one , still didn't work , reached out again , they sent me a refurb unit , sent back old setup , so far working fine and using the second router as a mesh extender
I'm in the process of ordering Starlink but wanted to see more of your videos before deciding on the final product. After watching this video, you now have me thinking of which dish I would be better off with. I plan on installing this on the roof where I have the Viasat dish and mount still there after cancelling that service several months ago. However, after viewing the Starlink Residential Service Plans, the only choice available for a dish is the new recommended standard dish (unless I'm missing something). The previous one is no longer on the web page. Plus with this new dish I'll have to visit the Starlink shop and order the proper mount(s). Thanks for the video!!
My daily does of starlink much appreciated
:) Thanks for being here!
Good points . Let’s hope they don’t discontinue the motorized dishes!
As far as adjustment the old direct TV dishes had to be aligned on poles and roofs. One thing you didn't consider on the price, since the new dish is bigger and requires more power my thinking is that it has more cells or is a stronger receiver and transmitter to compensate for being slightly off alignment. So you may actually be getting more for the money
Yep. Could be.
True you had to align them yourself, but that alignment never changes.
@@jcristina As someone who has 2 decades in the industry as an engineer, the lack of actuators in the new dish is NOT a big deal & a non-issue. First & foremost, the actuators in Starlink dishes did NOT play a role in them tracking satellites. Their main purpose is general aiming during setup. To aim at an optimal path NOT the satellite per se. In other words the actuators just makes setup as easy as possible. Also unlike DirecTV & Dish Network dishes which just stamped pieces of metal that must be aimed directly at the satellite, the Starlink dishes are phased array antennas. That means these are beam steering dishes. Starlink dishes can steer it's beams precisely at an overhead satellite and even track it as the satellite moves across it's arc in the sky.
Second, given that the new dish is larger, that most likely means they've added more elements to the new dish increasing the width of the arc it can steer it's beam. Adding more elements but removing the actuators equals out the price tag.
Lastly, given that Starlink has been steadily increasing the number of satellites in it's constellation, finding an optimal arc (path) is even easier now. The main take-away is phased array technology was only available to the military; Then it came to commercial applications like cell towers in the 2000s. Now that same technology is now available to consumers. Phased array antenna technology allows the steering & pointing w/o having to physically orient at the endpoint. All that is required is to point in the general direction.
@@TheWallReports From another engineer with 2 decades of experience in the industry I recommend everyone to read this post before making your own post. If you still aren't clear about how the Starlink system works, google a definition of phased array and one of Starlink System Operation.
Great info. We are looking to purchase Starlink. It seems your assessment is very good advice. Thanks
I'm getting the version 2, here in the french countryside. Last of these units at 250 euros, on sale, with the ethernet adapter at 40 euros, standard monthly of 40 euros. I have to fix mine on top of the chimney and so your info was crucial to my situation, well done and thank you. PS, my adsl is the same per month and gives me, at best, 5 Mbit down and 1 Mbit up - I'm hoping to see some considerable improvement.
Pls let me know how it goes. I’m looking at it for a house in Normandy.
My thought is they kept the price the same as the other units so that people wouldn't buy the wrong dish for them just because of the price. Unless I was going to be mobile, I would not buy the new unit. Even then, the self-actuating unit is not that much of a burden to take with you in an RV.
Just setup my fixed transceiver. The obstruction part of my app was not above orange on anything. Im doing 20ms 200-300mb down and 15+mb upload.. So far- Its been much better than my Xfinity. No rj45's for my network is a bit of an issue, but I can work around it for now. So far, I am amazed and couldnt be happier considering the price.
I have the “standard” with the motors, live in SW Washington and Starlink points about 338 degrees. Mounted on a flag pole from EEZ RV about 25 feet from ground. For what ever reason Thursday night football streams poorly. No complaining MUCH better than anything else we have had in the last 20 years, we live 30 miles out in the country.😊.
There are local guys here that mod their Gen2 (the actuated version) by dissecting them (motor disabling/removal) and adding their own power supplies. In spite of doing these things, they're not using their 'Frankensteined' equipment for mobile use...just on their roofs if their houses. Its like a cool thing to do - trendy I guess. They say it makes their equipment 'better'
Not too sure I understand the motives in play with these guys, but the Gen3 (kickstand) seems like an answer to their 'problems'
I have a Gen3 on a pole that I can rotate & lock in place if I ever need to. Three months going strong with no adjustments necessary. All is good! My salute to Elon & Starlink ❤
you're absolutely right. some people are just in a weird situation so they can't think straight.
As always JCristina you produce great video content.
Well in the beginning we had the Gen 1 which I still use for $499 subsidized from approx.. $3k to build, then they came out with the Gen2 which went up in price because of inflation or market value which was again subsidized from approx. $1500 to build.
Now we have Gen 3 which carries the same price tag but I would imagine the cost to build is aprox 800 imo.
Starlink recently announced that that they are making money so the question is way back in the beginning Gwynne Shotwell COO for Starlink said in a broadband conference that once they get the costs down and Star link out of black hole that it was in at the time financially they will bring the costs down as things become cheaper to build yet here in the US there has been no cost reduction yet. It's probably more about demand and knowing that they can charge the same as there is presently no competition in the LEO Sat spectrum. imo
I just found since yesterday, you can buy standard dish with $50 50GB roam with in motion. This is what I always prefer to have. $50 50 GB roam plan used to be limited to mini only.
I have it and it is excellent. Works perfectly!
Thank you.
The most discussed item in the mobile community is how to disable the motors, remove the pole and flat mount the dish. Bet the mobile guys will happily pay
No. I’m definitely 100% not going to “upgrade”. Should mention too that with the actuated receiver, not only will it align itself in the background for best connection, it can sense when snow or ice accumulates on it and will automatically run the melt function. This is FANTASTIC tech for me where I live. Especially seeing how it’s mounted 3 stories up. Won’t have to worry about in any weather. Not sure if this new one has that or not.
I've been a star link beta V1 user, my P.O.E took a dump star link and kindly replaced my star like with a V2. Been happy with V2 thank you star link!
I've had the Gen 1 Dishy since Feb 2021 and its been great at re-orientating itself. The new router is WiFi 6 which is better than my current WiFi 5 but I have Starlink because our thick stone-wallled house is in the countryside so can't use mesh and the Ethernet ports are important to have my own wired repeaters which are Tri-band WiFi 6 so I have that covered a different way.
I think I'll stick for now with Gen 1 Dishy.😊
I would just prefer to use Disy v2 with Router v3. Give me that option please>>>
I basically agree with you. Personally, I would go for the motor and lower power consumption model -- even if it is an older model. Who wants to keep running outside and adjusting the antenna when your internet drops. In the Philippines, they are selling the newer model with the higher power consumption. However, in the Philippines, where I live, electric power is extremely expensive. If my monthly power bill is $200 to $250 here, it would probably be $70 - $95 in the US. People try to avoid buying electrical appliances here. So I would want the lowest wattage unit I could get. They are significantly reducing cost to the units, and giving you a couple of crumbs in return. I really can't believe they took the self-adjusting motors out of the Antenna.
The Starlink dishes cost over $500 to mfg. It’s a good deal. Watch, the subscription price will go up every year.
I would get v.2. I agree that the motor-less version should be cheaper. My guess is that they are trying to average out their dish construction expenses. I'm still going to wait before jumping into starlink...Still too many growing pains. Great vid and thanks for the info.
I'm a RVer I have the gen 3 the one with the kick stand. I do not know but I have been told that the speed is faster but I really do not know if this is true or not. Being a RVer we have had places where we could not get a clear site of the sky but we were able to watch TV , streaming , and email with very little problems. Most of the time we have to place it some distance from our motorhome in order to get a better shot between the trees and this seems to work out better for us being able to do this. Seems like in the past people want to setup underneath trees everywhere , but with satellite internet its a bigger problem. I will order a longer cable so that this will give up better places to get signals. My wife is a gamer so when shooting between trees the 6 to 20 mbps seems not to work unless there is a somewhat clearing to the sky.
I am glad they got rid of the stupid right-angle connections on the cables. I had to cut a 1" hole in my wall to fit the cable through using the old one.
Hay Joe, anyone that can afford a mobile starlink I am sure has a solar system that can keep a 100 watt drain running 24/7, nothing to worry about, hay you have a great 👍 channel keep it up 😊
Thank for being here.
I believe I want the one with the tracking ability and i will pay for the dongle. Thanks for all the great work you do.
I think it's hard to beat the autonomous self aiming antenna for signal strength and ease of deployment
😂😂😂😂😂 you deploy the kickstand one time during setup and that’s it………….
the app is really good at helping you point the dish ONCE. Pretty sure cost reduction removed the cool robotics.
looks like you conclude it wrong. it is exactly for better signal strength, that the gen 3 has bigger dish than gen 2. you do have to deal with the hassle of positioning the unit (for optimal signal), but after you do, the gen 3 gives you better bandwidth than gen 2. lots of gen 3 vs gen 2 videos had shown that.
Really glad I bought two awhile back one for standard one for roam at 199$ cdn each. Although to deactivate mobile now, they charge you 80$ a pop each time you re -activate. I think the flat new ones are good for the people wanting to integrate ( mount) to the roof of there campers.
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I checked out a couple of RV life videos and they took their starlink dish and basically it's mounted flat on the roof of their rig. It's pointing straight up and they're getting good service. With the size of the constellation nowadays I don't see any reason to go through all the nonsense. You just need to fabricate a housing for it to make sure it's secure in that flat upward position and you're done.
Ive had the 2nd gen dish for 4 months now its beautiful! non peak hrs pulling 250+ mbps peak hrs drops between 20-60 mbps but never any buffering or loss of service. I did purchase a 3rd party router for wifi 6 though
I wish it was WiFi 6E or 7 personally.
My thoughts are that the dish came out before all of the satellites are in place. I believe that there will be enough satellites up in orbit that will make it such that it will not matter where you point the dish. Eventually you will have multiple satellites above you at one time that will be usable by the sdish no matter how it is pointed and it will pick the best connection at the moment.
Dish Network got smart as they matured, and moved to leasing the equipment. What that did for Dish Network was allow the equipment to remain on the books, increasing the accrued assets of the company, allowing Dish to obtain secured assets loans which they used to build even more dishes, and fund the building and launching of more satellites and ground stations, which allowed them to add Locals via use of regional spot beam technology which allowed the reuse of the same transponder downlink frequencies multiple times for local tv channel distribution across the USA.
Just curious, why do you think lots of people where buying the Gen2 before Gen3 became available and cutting out the guts so it would not adjust? To me, it seems that there is a need for a flat unit for $599. I think it is because It would be much nicer to have a permanent receiver mounted on my boat or camper that was flat and out out the wind. I also think that SpaceX has added a lot more satellites since the first Gen2 was released and there is not as much of a need for the receiver to adjust anymore? The Pro model is flat and works fine from everything I read. Let me know your thoughts. With the Gen 3 you can get the convivence of the performance model by being mounted flat and also get the unlimited plan. To me it seems the lowest plan the performance model has is only 50G and more expensive than the unlimited Standard plan. I am trying to weigh my options before I purchase. This was my first time to view one of your videos, but will watch more and wait for your thoughts. BTW I am in the NE as well and plan to be on the water.
I think that these dished actually cost Starlink more than $1000. They are selling these at a loss to get you to signup. They eventually make up the different through monthly fees. So I think that why the two dishes are priced the same.
I heard that they are now making money and now longer upside down on the kits, Patrick.. I believe that happened a few months ago.
The phased array antenna is a pretty expensive piece of hardware. I used to work at a high end circuit board manufacturer and the material cost was high on that type of board because of the application. The antenna is the circuit board is almoat the size of the dish.
@@frederickstirnkorb3094- good info 👍
@@jcristina You are a 💯 percent correct sir, in my Ed McMahon voice ... 🕊️
@@stable-shadow "Ha Ha -- YES!" also in Ed McMahon's voice ;-)
I was disapponted that we didn't get the v3 back in August, but now am glad we got the 2.
For $599 for v3 thats nuts. Its $75 tops . Manual and power hungry ...no advantage in my books!
Keep up the great work.
Wow I had no idea about those differences. I travel full time in a class A motorhome. I do not need another thing to worry about. I need to buy the 2nd Gen not just go with what they show is a package. I need to just put it on the picnic table or roof and not worry about going up and down. Thanks for the great video & what no one seems to talk about.
Here in Australia, where I live, I've watched mine change position at least 3-4 times a day as it tracks satellites for the best signal. It will be a complete pain if I have to get up on my roof every few hours to adjust the dish to maintain the best signal. I'm still annoyed that if you want to use the new router, it's not directly compatible with gen 2.
Ditto here in Montana.
Only as an AP I believe.
I have been watching your channel and waiting for this new dish to be available, but now I really need more concrete evidence on its operation and performance. Thank you Jay for posting this info. Please keep the updates coming, I am only getting 1.5 mb and getting very anxious.
Thank you for being here!!!
The units are still heavily discounted compared to their manufacture cost. At least with the new one you’ve latest WiFi and phased array tech and because this is meant for RV use so many installs serving flat on the roof of their truck anyway, so the motors are actually a hindrance.
All models use Phased Array tech.
We RV with our Starlink, often times it is quite heavily wooded. We use a 30 foot telescopic pole and let the dishy do its thing! Can’t imagine using the other one too much.
Mine is out of line 11°. I didn’t bother going back on the roof to fix it and it’s working fine. I’m in the backwoods too. I think the fact that the wider angle of the new satellite makes it capable of not needing to be redirected. If I’m off 11° in the woods and it is still operating perfectly kinda makes sense.
As long as it works!
Just bougt last week from Costco for $199 only to get home and find I need to order a mounting kit from starlink for $110 before I can finalize setup - now im waiting weeks gor the part to be sent lol
I've had my Gen 1 dish for a couple months short of 4 years and it has never changed orientation. The gen 1, and I assume the gen 2, always cost more than Starlink charged for them because they needed to get them deployed. If they are breaking even or making a few bucks on the new one I am OK with that. If my gen 1 died I replace it with a gen 3 simply for the fully replaceable cable with standard RJ45s on both ends.
I've got the actuator Dishy. Sailed from Vietnam to Canada with it mostly on the deck getting washed by waves. 7500nm. Worked fine. Back home it's reinstalled on my boat and running just fine. It's a very good piece of hardware. The kickstand just seems like a bad idea. Maybe a ball joint for permanent home locations.
What I'd like is to have two Dishys and one account. I've got a boat, and a home. I am at one or the other, so it would be very easy for me to turn one server off before I drive to the other one. It took me two months to get through to Starlink about an additional $25/month Roaming fee tacked on to my $150 Roaming plan. They gave me back $25 (I guess the other $75 is???)
As always, great review and insights! Earlier this week I received an email from Starlink titled "Next Generation Starlink Early Access" which prompted me to jump up out of my seat. How exciting to be included in a Starlink VIP email list! Then, I realized that the Gen 3 Dish is a kit which contains the new Gen 3 router. I purchased the stand-alone Gen 3 router back in early August 2023. So, I emailed Starlink Support to ask if I could simply buy the Gen 3 Dish without the router. After a few email exchanges I was able to persuade Starlink to sell me the stand-alone Gen 3 Dish. I was beaming with excitement to get the latest Starlink tech. Then, once the high wore off, I noticed the new Gen 3 Dish was static (i.e. no actuator to automatically track the best connection to satellites above). Then JCristina saved me $600 by articulating who the new dish is for. The new static dish is not for me as I live in a city with trees and other rooftops... my dish which is placed on my roof is adjusting its position multiple times per day. Thanks JCristina for your infinite wisdom and dedication to your viewers. Keep doing what you're doing!
i just got my Gen3 standard in place on my roof. I am in KY and it is north with a slight eastern turn. I live in a rural area and the service I had was slow and cost nearly as much as the starlink, I have not had an issue with the service as of yet, I took the fold out stand off and mounted it to a ridge mount system. What I don't like as much is the router. It's ok but the range on it is not as good as my old router. but at the end of the day I am getting 120 to 270 mbps on average, which is six to eight times better than my previous provider.
When you install it, you put it facing the direction you need and youre done. and if you mount it on your roof then you obviously can reach it. BTW I paid 499 for my kit.
So the question that comes to mind - is if the old one consumes less power, but has to power the motors to move it, why is the new one more expensive to operate? It's an antenna - it sits there.
technically, it is not just 1 antenna, there are hundreds inside. and each ones consumes electricity in doing their job. so with the bigger dish of gen 3, means there's more antennae inside, means more electricity consumption. this also means more internet bandwidth though, and more resilience to storms
As a former satellite tech, I can say from direct experience a thinner dish presents another problem. If a "flimsiness" or flex of the dish develops over time, it can seriously negate the receive signal strength, and create an unstable connection. Stick with the thicker model.
A lot of RV guys have been spending several hundred bucks to remove the actuator function on the V2 dishes so they can mount them flat on the RV roof. (not adjustable)This new dish might appeal to them because the modified V2 dish doesn’t move but its smaller than the new dish. The new dish might function better even though it’s not aligned just right due to its larger size.
I’ve had my Starlink for a little over a year now and love it. It’s on top of a 16 foot pole, so there’s no way I could easily get to it to change the alignment. It has changed position at least three times since I went live.
exactly!
Just turn the pole. Easy.
@@pearljam_1 It's welded to the deck's rail mounting bracket. Also, I don't know if this is a factor, but what if the angle changes>
@@gandresen well from the specs I’ve read the angle doesn’t change only the direction. But ya being welded is not going to work I guess. So this dish isn’t for everyone.
I have the second generation and is mounted on the roof secured by bolts. The wind blows here quite fierce in the Spring. Since this antenna is solidly mounted and the dish orients itself I do not worry about dish moving out of alignment. SpaceX has changed the dish orientation over time, started out oriented NNW and has migrated to NNE over the past two years and likely has been reoriented to other positions I was unaware of. I am in central NM. The new version dish may be an advantage for mobile operators to quickly orient and move their dish and its large surface area able to overcome obscured sky by trees or buildings.
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We have the news dish and have had no problems
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As an RV'er, I have the 2nd gen with the motor and I really like just setting it out and it adjusts by itself. I wouldn't want to have to point it. There are times when mine moves to get better reception. I'm not going to go outside and move my dish every time it needs to be moved because a satellite change is needed. Great video Thanks for making it. :)
We have our standard (articulating) dish mounted flat on the roof of our camper. It can't aim itself and we still get a great signal. I did a couple tests before mounting it and couldn't see any benefit to having the dish aim itself. Maybe the dish's aiming is more for traffic control than superior reception.
You won’t have to. Once it’s aligned it doesn’t need to be re-aligned.
@@pearljam_1 Our standard dish mounted flat works great with no aligning at all, automatic or manual.
Hi JCristina!
Thanks for your informative videos! When Starlink started sending out the round dish and then the first rectangular dish, the cost to produce was quoted at maybe $3000 per unit. It was projected to reduce over time, I have not heard for a while what their cost per unit is now. Maybe at this point each unit is still sold at a loss, so maybe it's still a deal.
I got my rectangular dish in February 2022, later that year the motors froze and could not change position even though degraded service was still adequate (I use it on my RV) After complaining to Customer Service, they sent another unit at no charge (and asked to return the original). My take is that the motors are a complication (Musk: The best part is no part) that increases the cost to Starlink.
I agree that the increased power requirement is an issue for many RV'rs, especially dry camping. I hope they can reduce the power comsumption in the future.
Thanks
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OG dish installed since better than nothing beta. Built like a tank. Looks just as good as the day I installed it. I hope it never fails because these new editions seem to be more “flimsy”.
Nice review. We use / install both commercial and residential dishes for our EPOS clients. Completely agree staying Gen 2., Our motorised dishes here in the UK move almost daily (even the commercial ones which are much larger). Having to move them up on roofs for either optimum speed or loss of signal would be a real problem for us. Sure, in the future when more satellites are flying it will be less of a problem, but for now, I don't worry about the the fact the dishes sort themselves out for the best signal and we don't get a phone call! Yes the new router looks better but 30 dollars for the dongle on the old one isn't a show stopper by any means. Also I would argue it much easier to mount the Gen 2 on buildings via the pole.
I used to setup large ( 10 foot ) and small Satelite dishes ... You had to manually adjust the position using the Sat reciever setup functions... basically fine tune it by hand moving it while watching the screen and listening to a tone... not hard and took a few minutes and after that the actuator would move it ( as you had to point at different satelites ).. setting up the non moving dish would be as easy....and one time in most cases ( if you mount it where it doesn't get moved / bumped. )
Yes it is more harder for most people..but i'm sure alot could figure it out... I'd recommend the moving self aligning dish to anyone of course... the newer dish would be more useful for a traveling setup....and you could have both ..one for at home..the new dish in your travel location...or RV etc... depending on cost of an extra dish? plus cables ( you would want one cable at each setup anyways ( for ease of installation and setup )...Routers would be one used everywhere..or you could upgrade the home to Gen 3 router and use your Gen 2 router at the Lake or RV travels?? If Starlink allows that usage??
Love to hear from someone that was in the thick of the things. Thank you.
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I didn't do it as a Career...lol...i did it for my family or friends mainly and self taught... it was pretty simple anyways as i had a lot of skills that made me understand it easily.... and the manual explained it perfectly....i repair many things and was into Stereo equipment and Electronics in general...so i liked doing stuff myself ( as my Dad did too )... building home computers and learning Software was easy too.... I just saw the setup similar to what i had done.... setting up my Gen 2 was also made simple by Starlink...but some may need help...even when it is so easy now to get Free Help online....which i didn't have when younger ( 66 now )... just following beaten paths like most of us..🇨🇦🤓👍
A friend had moved to star link and very pleased.
24mo for me. Still finding value.
I live off-road in the mountains of Mongolia. My dish should arrive next week - standard actuated dish. I plan to put my dish on the roof of one of my containers, then add ballast to the legs. I can get up there with a ladder but it's not convenient, so I think the actuated model sounds better for me.
I think you're correct the price of the new dish is too expensive.
I also think starlink should offer some kind of trade-in or even bigger discount so current customers want to upgrade to the new router/dish.
Agree
Just got the Standard kit. That package was $299 instead of the $599 from your video. Maybe they listened to you!
Great video Joseph. Keep them coming
mine points slightly NE in NW corner of NC. Also have it pole mounted to get zero signal block. 100% the new one would suck since I am pole mounted and that is a good point as many have to get off the ground to clear the tree lines. Having it the same price point is kinda BS too. Hopefully we get a good launch tomorrow for Starship! thanks as always for the content.
Interesting and informative video. I just found out that Starlink is now available in my country - Malaysia- and have been looking for information and reviews on this. Thanks!
Congrats.
Our dish direction is northwest from South Missouri. Also been getting a buzzing noise from dishy. Contacted support and they say this is normal. Haven't noticed any connection or performance issues. I agree with the new kits. Great video.
If the output from the AC to DC Adapter is 12 to 13.8 Volts, then the modem can be directly powered by vehicle accessory power.
Yes, that’s the new Gen3 router, and it will not get so ‘warm’ and should work better in hotter weather. The Gen2 router is slower over 30C
I think Starlink provided the self aiming of v2 ahead of its time trying to be something revolutionary not realizing those motors are going to get hot and break or just plain cost too much to include.. Seems logical to go back to basics and remove it for cost savings.. for those that have set up a v3 antenna before, you know how easy it is to do with the app and its like an easy bake oven.. set it and forget it.. to say "don't buy the new spacex starlink standard dish" is a bit misleading.
also one more thing ... dont forget the fact that starlink is paying almost 3000 usd for the hardware and maybe removing the motor save's them cost and maybe they secured the same connection speed with this direct fixed position
instillation has been a pain in my azzzzzz. to say the least. i live on the reservation so we're in the middle of nowhere, lots of trees on all sides of me. its hard to get a signal to start with but now that i have to "adjust" occasionally, i'll need to come up with a contraption. i have to consider animals, trees and mounting the unit to my home in a way that dictates i can reach it when needed. yeah, for this price i should've done more research. we needed something that gave better coverage but i hope all the trouble is worth it. the honeymoon hasnt even started and its already over.
I fucking agree. I've spent three long days trying it to get it set up. No real support and no phone number to call. Sent in a ticket LoL I have received I reply. That was questions. I replied two days ago and that so far is all I have gotten.
The stationary antenna is premature. They are still launching new satellites into the network and the network needs to be reoriented for the new units. I like the new router but your correct the new antenna is a lot less expensive.
yeah we can't really judge cost so definitely until a teardown shows us what's inside
Hey Joe , So I was , at first , under the SAME impression regarding the manual alignment on Gen3 Dish. I fought with Starlink and wanted ( preferred ) a refurb Gen 2 over the Gen 3 for my Van which I camp in many locations. So I did a test. My findings are : Then Gen 3 after INITIAL alignment seems to have some type of Gyro inside to retain your signal once it initially is aligned for max reception. Well of course I did not believe this UNTIL a group in California who builds Gen2 flat conversions for mobile use and in motion use CONFIRMED they also tested the Gen 3 and found only a 10-15% degradation in signal while in MOTION. So other than my mounting pole base on the side of my van I used with my Gen 2 , There is little to no difference in the Gen 3 performance ONCE you initially obtained the Max Alignment. I asked if they had cut open a Gen 3 and if I could see this Gyro they attest to , and they refused stating Proprietary Technology agreements they have with Starlink. Hmmmm
But anyhooters , I will do a few Mobile tests with Gen 3 soon and report back MY OWN analysis and let you know if its the same as the DishMount guys findings. Thanks Joe !!
Tea on Brother !
Hi - so I have a question for you, please. Do you pay for the RV roaming dish, or can you get the "residence" dish and mount it on the RV or sailboat? I don't understand the differences in the prices because I assume all types "roam" to find the satellites? Unless it has to do with the AC or DC power. Sorry, total newbie to this topic so I'm trying to understand before ordering. Would love to have it for both home and RV... same dsh. :) Thank you!
I have G2 two antennas in different houses and no issues, and now I received an offer for the Gen 2 for $350 $99 a month. This came up on Facebook this week.
Travelling with RV, campervan or yacht normally you would have to drill a hole in the back once it centers and unplug the motor so it lays flat as you mount it in an accessible location on deck or camper roof the new dish lays flat and is more aerodynamic. I agree I would not use the new one for permanent household use but think as it states for roaming and RV its better - My option.
Thanks for your videos and chats always interesting