Final Epoxy and High Build Primer - Bare Metal Re-Spray on A Classic Mini - PT3
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Hi Guys, in this video we will be taking a look at the next stage on this classic mini the final coat of epoxy to seal the metalwork and then high build primer application
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Tony. I cannot tell you how therapeutic this video is. Great vide, nice to see proper work done by someone who enjoys his work!!!!!
Well done as usual
Glad you enjoyed it mate
A I keep saying for every video you post (and as testament of my ignorance...), always gems and new things for me to learn. In particular thank you for mentioning the wet on wet process and not just what it means., This kind of tip is really helpful for an audience like me. Thanks again.
Your very welcome mate you guys watching are what makes these vids so good mate you always push me to do netter and be more and make the vids more informative too
I could watch this all day.
Thanks buddy feel free to lol
Mate you have a great skill and also talk in a way that helps less experienced but doesn't tell the more experienced how to suck eggs either , really enjoying vids , I've been a painter and powdercoater for 30 odd years , painted Everthing from cars , commercial trucks in early years to components , wheels , signs , kitchens , furniture of late , started out in cars as an apprentice as I say but for 25 odd years an industrial painter and feel I've missed the boat to get back into cars , but still paint daily as a job and find escape in your vids and maybe one day will do another car for myself or find a job helping out in a bodyshop with guys like you , keep up the great content
Thanks buddy abs I’m glad they come over in a way that everyone can understand that’s always been my goal , happy new year fella
Fantastic, I am self taught Fab & Paint, and this was to the point, no BS , luved it. Thanks from OZ..
Thanks man and I come from the same background buddy self taught in this trade
Hi Tony, this has been another excellent and informative video. I have learnt so much from watching you at work. I am currently preparing my Mini for paint and am trying to copy your methods. I am pleased with my progress so far and am looking forward to your next update. I hope you have a peaceful evening with your family. Happy New Year.
Kind regards Peter.
Thanks Peter and so many guys atm following this for the same reasons you are which is awesome so glad it’s helping people like yourself hope you and yours have a great evening and weekend too mate
Great work. Very therapeutic watching the paint going down. Planning on doing my own mini in the summer. Getting some tips lol.
All the best for the new year
Thanks Anthony and same to you hope you have a great new year and next year mate
Love watching you at work and giving us a detailed description throughout of what you’re doing. Always great to see a quality job. My Mini Thirty could use your painting skills.
Thanks man 🙏 appreciate that fella , hope you have a great 2022 buddy
Tony thank you so much for the amazing vids, I am doing a mini at the moment and your vids are a inspiration, hope you and your family have a great evening,. And hope 2022 is great for you and yours.
Thanks buddy and so glad they are helping mate too , I wish you and all yours al the best too mate
I looked again, it was great. I wish you good health
Good progress. I'm looking forward to seeing how you tackle the roof.
I won’t be filming the repair side to the roof as it’s too involved and a long job but il be covering the paint side
I think your overshooting a daily driver paint job. That sucker will be pretty cherry. beautiful display of using epoxy primer as a wet bed for high build. FYI there are some high builds that have great sealing and DTM capabilities. But for a lot of them this is a great way to get the best adhesion to bare metal and great seal so your body work will not show shrinkage and mapping.
Thanks man and great to see you here again fella too hope your well
Nice video Tony happy new year buddy.look forward to seeing the next part. I just love Minis plus I've got one from 1975 that has been completely restored just got the paint work to do in the new year
That’s awesome buddy seems allt of people have something they really can relate to in these mini videos
Excellent work, it’s great to see it all happening in real time! One of the things I’ll be giving a go at some point in the future
Thanks matt hope you enjoy the rest of the series mate
Brilliant content! Absolutely loving the mini project 😁
Thanks rich glad your enjoying it mate
Mini going to look sweet as when finnished love the attention you pay to every car tony no matter wat type of car 👌👌👌
See as mad as it is man I have no interest in cars lol there all the same to me I love to paint like really love my job lol so for me making and paint I do the best I can is what it’s about
Always interesting and always a learning or refresher. Thank You
Your welcome bill thanks for watching
Good job.....i love seeing projects in primer. You can't beat a Mini. Happy New Year
Your welcome buddy and you too mate have a great evening
Thanks Tony. Have a happy new year. God bless 🙏.
You too buddy
Just found your channel, love seeing the whole job and not just clips of this and that. Looks like you have smoothed all the seams out where the front panel meets the wings - I love the nice smooth look. Great job.
Hi thanks Matt , abs yes it’s had the front welded previously so smoothing it tbh was the only option but does leave a cleaner look
Very smooth gun control
Thankyou
Have an amazing New Years and thank you for all of the great content this year!
Your very welcome have a great new year too
Thank you so much! About to finish my 68 Mini panel van so great timing :) they are so fiddly especially the lower wheel arch corners and A panels but great work!
Awesome mate hope the job goes well for you buddy and yes these are notorious for being very fiddly
@@TonysRefinishingTV yes I’ve had to cut rust out of every panel and replace the inner and outer A-panels, sills and heritage door skins and make new pockets because Australian mini doors are unique.
Wow some work so far then mate
@@TonysRefinishingTV oh and the entire floor…just a mini job :)
Great video as always Tony love waching you thank you for sharing your knowledge stay safe Tony
You too buddy have a great new year
Brilliant video well detailed thank you Tony
Thanks rich
Nicely done!
Still only 8.44 here, but you guys should be tucked up in bed by now. Happy New Year, and keep up the good work. Looking forward to seeing the mini better than new, and probably more rust proof than original.
Thanks man and no I was still just about up when you wrote this lol happy new year fella
Excellent job Tony, you make it look easy , All the best in the New York mate 👍🏻
Thanks mate and all the best in the new year to you too buddy
Great video again. The roof on mine needed a tonne of work as someone had rolled it onto a mattress to weld underneath 🤦 The worst thing is all the welding was terrible and I had to do it all again anyway. Who ever is getting that mini done off you is getting an awesome job 👍 Have a good new year
Thanks buddy and you too hope you have a good one mate
Excellent video, very interesting thank you Tony.
Your welcome buddy
New Years Day here in Australia and my first UTube video of the year. I am glad you explained wet on wet as I thought it meant you sprayed the next coat whilst it was still wet from the first coat. Looking forward to the next episode. Happy New Year Tony to you and your family.
Same to you and yours mate and I always forget your so far ahead time wise to us lol glad you got something from the video too buddy
All the best for the new year slow hand
Thanks man and you too fella
another great video very informative well done will look great when done
Thanks
Absolutely brilliant well explained love it I can’t wait to see it when it’s finished cheers Larrysullivan in London
Your welcome mate thanks for watching
Hi Tony, thank you for the update and all your other videos, yes, there are some of us spending new year sitting at home too. Boring but safe I suppose.
Have you tried Max Meyer spray filler? use it here on all the restoration stuff, epoxy, then filler work, then Max Meyer, it is a bit like an icing coat, 2.5 nozzle, no sinking, P180 dry, then high build, and work from there.
Sometimes mate but not often I tend to use poly spray filler on fibreglass work I have a job in at the moment I’ve used it on it’s good stuff
I forgot to say good job as always mate
Awesome 👏 video Tony and thanks 🙏 for the last one ☝️ of 2021 I really enjoyed it and a great thanks 🙏 to you Tony for all those videos you provide for us through this year much love and wishing you a happy and bless new year to you and the fam stay safe all the best enjoy your evening Tony 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙👏👏👏👏👏👏💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯😉😉😉😉
Thanks kimo abs the same to you buddy hope you have a great year next year and your family too buddy
Looking so good
Thanks Mathew
happy new year all the best for 2022
You too Barry have a great year mate
Amazing.. i'm hooked on this series .. I am in the process of doing my first job. It's a colour change!
May I ask... my roof is a bit f***ed like the mini was.. may I ask your process to straighten it out?
Cheers mate.
panel beating and filling mate
Thanks Tony
Very welcome mate
Hey Tony, I was surprised at the numbers watching and on the live chat last night and really enjoyed the banter on the channel, it was good to see Chris (Pharraway) on the channel as well as he did say earlier that he would try and pop in . The old mini is looking very nice so far mate from what it was at first all the panels are looking very flat.
As always your attention to detail is spot on with nothing missed and no corners cut, have to say though that roof is going to keep you busy as it looks like it's been on it's roof in the past 🤭
Ok bud hope you have a good new years day and chill out on the sofa, look forward to the next instalment 💪👍
Thanks buddy and yeah was a really good busy chat mate which was ace it’s been getting busier and busier , and I’ve not had a bad day mate hope you’ve had a great one too fella
Nice to hear you've had a good day mate, all good here just been finishing off my booth so it's now ready for use again 👍
Sounds good mate
Great work Tony 😎
Thanks Jason
Hi tony love the videos i am a novice at paint spraying i am resdy to paint my mgb gt is it easier to use 2k direct gloss or base coat and laquer what is the min temp requ to use direct gloss keep up with the videos cheers
You said about getting heritage panels your right about that the amount of times I told custermers about why I used a heritage or genuine panel I've had to explain more than once some got it some you can't explain it they never get it they just bother about saving money or so they think but you know as well as me it cost more to use a spewreous panel in time , I've watched all your vids I just realised I had an advantage im ambidextrous so can pain or should I say spray with both hands just as good it used to come in handy more than once you take care mate look after your health like we said before its health first then work take care mate
Yeah 100% mate old panels on these jobs make the world of difference, I’ve taught my self to spray with both hands I’m not fully ambidextrous but I can spray and shoot woth both hands lol
@@TonysRefinishingTV I used to say to tight people do you want to pay for another ten hours labour or another £50 on top for a heritage panel they soon changed there minds
Like how you paint buddy, you never seem to be running around like a headless chichen and in control of your work
yeah i like to enjoy my time on the gun mate im not for running around
@@TonysRefinishingTV I'm no great painter but know what you mean I'm not into going full belt as I like to see what I'm doing
Very nice work!
Thanks Jim
Another great video Tony.
Happy New Year
Thanks man and the same to you and your family mate hope your well
Excellent informative video 👍
Thanks Ian
Hi Tony love your work as always, just a wee question, I want to use apoxy primer but don’t have a oven so how long should I wait till I put on the high build on, cheers Tony
A good watch on New Year's Day 👌 looking forward to the finish.
Thanks buddy
@@TonysRefinishingTV Do you ever have any time off ?
Not recently mate 2-3 days in 2 months inc weekends , I’ve got a backlog and less staff atm so I’m doing everything myself hard choice but needed to be done once I have things will be a lot better and easier and il get more of a break these days
@@TonysRefinishingTV well its easy for me saying you should take it easy , when your the capitan that runs the ship. Hope the rest of crew get back soon and lighten the work load some.
We all appreciate your ethic and the wealth of information and skills you share with us all. 👍
Thanks man and it’ll just be myself on my side from now on mate sick of the hassle of people who don’t care tbh
Great video Tony, is epoxy thinners anything special or is it the same as normal 2K thinners ?…. Cheers bud
Hello . It was great . I like your videos. I have a question, do we have to spray killer for oil paints after drying? Thankful
The customer is definately getting value for his money Tony. I treated myself to the full range off Walcom guns for xmas but have n't tried them out yet hopefully i won't have any issues.
Nice mate where did you have them from fella , it’s only this one man I’ve been having a little issue with
@@TonysRefinishingTV Frrom my local paint shop he bought them as show and display in a nice metal box 5 guns in all + loads off extras £1200 . I had to twist his arm to get them but he's an old mate aswell.
Not a bad buy for that price mate for sure
Lol...the customer may not be paying for a concours-quality restoration but we know the kind of work you do Tony. No way that car leaves your shop without looking like a million. Happy New Year!
Lol yeah I’ve already gone further than I should but that’s what we do only the best for our customers
hello tony good day thank for partage .
Hi Tony, love your vids. Will try to learn painting just watching your work. Question. I don´t have an oven. Will be using a large tent with a couple of fans. How to determine when to apply the high build on the epoxy? Is there a way to "test" when to shoot, like should the epoxy be slightly sticky? I will be using Mipa for the whole project.
I built a spray booth im my garage using timber and polythene, stick-on zip for access and input filters and extractor fan. Took a couple of weekends to build, worked a treat. Loads of example videos from US DIY painters on how to do this. Works a treat.
super work can you spray Epoxy over rattlecan primer once sanded to seal like this mini
Possibly it’s something you’d have to tear mate tbh try it on some scrap steel and check if it reacts or not and if it sticks well
Happy new year la
All the very best.
Thanks and you too buddy
Hi
I’ve just put epoxy on my bare metal mini can I use a high build primer on top
Hi tony is the epoxy like an etch primer
Isn’t epoxy primer active for at least 7 days as non sandable (wow) primer?
Great video, always enjoy watching these. I’ll be doing the same process on my mk2 escort but was planning to use novol epoxy and hb primer, would be interested to hear your opinion on novol vs the mipa products you’ve used in this series?
I’ve not used the novol ones mate but I will be soon as sp will be stocking there range and il day I’ve heard nothing but great things about there products
Hi Tony I’m trying to get my hands on a Sagola 3300 GTO with the 1.8 tip and EPA air cap but even though you had the pressure up on that Walcom it looked like there was next to no overspray , looks like a nice smooth job ... good stuff ! All the best for the New Year mate
Good luck mate over here now there like rocking horse crap now as sagolas supply chains gone to the dogs unfortunately, it was ok with Kay down and overspray yea mate but I’ve noticed it’s spitting and takes so much air to put out primer my sagola would smash it on on 20-25 psi no issues
@@TonysRefinishingTV I can imagine a bit of spitting if that was the case but as you mentioned you’re getting the bigger tip size , I’m sure that walcom will step up to the job more satisfactory then
I hope so mate
Happy new year mate, really enjoying the series, how much would you charge for a job like this?
It depends on what the customer wants and the condition £2.5-5k so where in that ballpark
G'day Tony. When you're talking about doing the wet on wet stage you state that you can't put high build over cured epoxy... What about cured epoxy that has been scuffed back so it can have adhesion? Cheers
Yes if it’s been sanded then it’s keyed up so it’ll be fine
Thanks for taking the time to reply, great videos mate
Not a problem
Can epoxy primer go directly over and adhere to areas that are not bare metal? Like body filler areas and painted areas?
Yes aslong as they are keyed up
New to painting and need some help. I stripped rattle can paint off a project. What's my next step? Body filler then epoxy? Or epoxy then body filler I kind of need a step by step til I spray base. Could anyone help?
epoxy first to seal the ,metal then work up
Hi Tony, I've been learning alot from your videos and will be painting the panels on my kit car in the coming months. What size needle do you recommend for 2k paint? Or direct gloss i believe its called in the trade. I'm looking at buying a spray gun and want to buy the right nozzle size
1.3 buddy I can recommend the iwata az3 hte s as a good mid range hun that’s affordable
Bud
@@TonysRefinishingTV cheers for that mate I've been looking at some lvlp guns as i only have a 50ltr compressor rated at 7.2cfm. Its only a small paint job so will do me for the kit car panels then may upgrade!
The reason for applying epoxy primer before polyester was to isolate dubious substrates, right? With plain bare-metal we can apply polyester paste and sprayable polyester directly over metal? After sanding that, only one thin layer of epoxy primer would be required, right? I am asking since epoxy is expensive and takes a long time to properly cure.
No polyester high build cannot go direct to metal it would need an etch primer first , if you want to cut cost use epoxy on the bare shell first then high build after and skip the middle coat of epoxy I used , the new automotive epoxys don’t take a long time to cure and can be as cheap as high builds if you look in the right place and use them properly
@@TonysRefinishingTV Both Spies-Hecker Raderal and Upol Reface mention direct-to-metal (specially steel compatibility) and Reface explicitly mentions incompatibility with etch-primer. I am sure you're right, nothing beats experience.
I thought you meant polyester based as in high build not there spray poly mate sorry
That’s spray polyester filler rather than high build which is a different material and can be used direct I would still use an epoxy on the metal first if it was me
Noticed your gun spluttering slightly any idea whats causing that?
Yeah I’ve noticed that too when I re watched the video , tbh I’m not the only one with this issue I’ve found buddy so I’m going to say it’s the gun as I know it’s clean and tight
I’m a bit confused Tony…the primer you painted over the bare metal is primer you said…is that etch primer??
so the first layer i did was epoxy again just a thin light coat to seal it all up again and then i did high build primer after that mate
@@TonysRefinishingTV so you don’t use etch primer to cover the bare metal but epoxy??? Sorry for sounding so thick 😋
No it’s all valid man question wise , you can use etch but it has pretty much zero resistance to moisture and water if the etch got wet it would soak up the water and rust the metal epoxy however will not abs hives a much better stronger seal on bare metal by miles
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Thanks mate
@@TonysRefinishingTV you're always most welcome mate. Happy New year, God bless Us all always 💖💛🙏😊❤
Tony.
Is that car for sale ?
No it’s a customers
@@TonysRefinishingTV
I see...
I like to get a old 911...
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Cracking vid, you can paint my mini anytime
Haha thanks buddy
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question about getting a car painted. i am thinking of getting my merc 190 blasted to get it repainted in silver. the underneath needs a good blasting as there is a lot of surface rust. if i was to blast the car fully what should i spray the car over to keep the bare metal from getting worse? i was told by a friend that the body shops may not want to touch my car once it's been blasted. am i wasting my time blasting the car fully?
It depends mate one on your blaster guy and how carefull he is and two what kind of shop you go to for the paint job blasting is fine if there carefull and you should use a good 2k epoxy after to seal the bare metal ASAP like within a day or it’ll start to rust again instantly
@@TonysRefinishingTV yeah 2k epoxy but can I use the seam sealer over that? Then paint my underbody cover like raptor or what ever good brand is out there
Yes 100% buddy epoxy will give the metal the best seal and start , then seam seal up as needed and a light scuff before raptor will give it the best possible outcome on the underside tbh