Why would you not be using an OLED in this type of video, the LED in comparison to LG’s C9 is a world apart and real world wise would the OLED destroy that led model.. Awesome videos and I’m definitely a fan 🤙🏼
I see a problem with your comparison. HDR10+ and DV are mastered separately. If HDR10+ is overall brighter then this is a studio decision, not a limitation of one of the standards. As you said in the end, they both look nearly identical. I say if any standard wins (like with blueray and hddvd) let it be the one that is more open and costs less. This will only benefit the consumer in the long run.
If my firestick has hdr10+ but the tv no hdr+ will there be an improvement in video quality or if I get a firestick with no hdr10+ but the tv has hdr10+ will the video be better?
HDR10 seems to be just fine where as HDR10+ brightens everything up and Dolby Vision has good color contrast. I'm really fine with just HDR10. The difference isn't that noticeable unless you're trying to compare them. Even then, HDR10+ and Dolby Vision have minute differences from HDR10. But, between HDR10+ and Dolby Vision, I would pick Dolby Vision. But in real life, lol, I bought a HDR10+ capable TV. So, I want to watch movies in HDR10+.
Just like EVERYTHING -- it depends on the source content 100%. You can have a HDR10+ video that looks better than Dolby Vision. You can have a Dolby Vision video that looks better than HDR10+ You can have two Dolby Vision videos that look incredibly different from one another. You can have two HDR10+ videos that look incredibly different from one another.
So just like everything, when you compare apples to bananas you can get all kinds of results. But that has nothing to do with the question which is better format.
@@Cuthalu Yes, it does. Are you so stupid really can't see the point? You can compare the SHARED components of each thing... Apples and Bananas are both fruit, they both grow on trees, they both have fucking skin, they're both sweet. Don't be a dense difficult asshole in life and people will think you're a bitch a bit less.
DV processing is DV processing, your TV gamma setting can have a negative affect on PQ. 2.2 is the expected gamma, just hope your display 2.2 gamma is a correct factory calibrated 2.2. Also, remember that colorist have control over the brightness of any element in the content, DV represents the creators intent. Your Panasonic is known to have some DV processing issues. So make sure to turn off enhancement settings when DV content is played.
@Haywire Infinity it’s a matter of taste. I personally set the max Brightness to „medium“ on my E9. This limits the hdr effect a little bit, but for me personally it’s very fine. The max setting was too bright for me.
HDR10(+) seems to make more sense combined with (Q)LED because of their higher black levels so that the details are displayed brighter. For OLED on the other hand with its capability of true blacks I assume the darker parts of the picture in Dolby Vision would still retain most of the detail and you would actually be able to increase picture quality with the higher contrast. So I think LG’s and Sony‘s approaches both make sense to focus on the technology that favors their type of panel.
HDR10+ and HDR10 are identically on a calibrated Oled. No difference in any Movie. From what i Heard, the + Tone Mapper is for Displays with less than 500 Nits only. Alita on an Oled has much More Contrast in Dolby Vision
Maybe DV isn't as huge as people say going off this. DV 4000 - 10000nits HDR10+ 1000 - 4000nits Yet these films were brighter in HDR10+. No mention of better colours from DV 12bit colour palette, and to top it off DV caused black crush, i thought the tone mapping from DV would be better . . . . . . Apparently not. Actually he does mention the colour looked slightly better on the DV with the girls top, not a big difference but better regardless.
I'm glad these comparisons exist...but my takeaway is almost always that if you have to study side by side comparisons to notice the difference then it becomes fairly irrelevant to the times you're just enjoying a movie.
Dolby Vision is the best; especially when viewed on an OLED. Just wait until tvs launch with 12 bit panels which is what Dolby Vision is mastered in. Samsung is the only tv manufacturer that doesn't support DV. Freak Samsung.
Idk why the hell this guy has only 34k subscribers! Best videos you can watch on all this technology. Perfect picture quality and really good explanation on what you watching. Good job buddy you should have way more than 34k subscribers.
Good test and well done. I watched on my tv in 4K w/HDR and my opinion is the the DV coloring is better, but too dark. HDR10+ details were better in the darkness. So I agree with your take.
I think the dark scenes in HDR10+ are fantastic but for bright scenes I like the Dolby Vision. Also if it's an in between scene then it might be a tossup for me.
It's funny how everybody falls over each other for a simple comparison. There is simple no right or wrong answer here. Sometimes even hdr 10 looks better then those two others.
@@timppaUT no I don't think that's what their exactly trying to say. For the most part Dolby vision will be better, but in some rare anomalies it's possible that hdr10 actually does better (tho it's very rare). Overall it's safe to assume Dolby vision > HDR10+ > HDR 10:
@@_Chad_ThunderCock Oy IS safe assume: WHY? Because toi happeen to like high contrast version of HDR? I myself was More like shocked that there was that much difference between those three!? (Well. More like two. 10 and 10+ were otettu same) If I was the leader of The global HDR development team, I would gonna keep long meeting because of that.
How about comparing Disney+, Netflix, Console gaming, PC gaming, etc. on HDR10+ and DV? O wait we can't, because 90% of the sources don't have HDR10+. Whatever the case maybe, the more widely adopted format will be better, because you can actually use it.
Tha_VillaMan I just hope that Samsung stops being a baby at some point and just adopt what people can actually use. I ended up buying a c9 over the q90r for this very reason. If they had DV, I would have definitely bought Samsung.
Prime Video supports HDR10+, snd Prime Video is the best streaming service with the best content anyway. I look forward to a Vizio OLED with HDR10+. That would be a great TV. Hopefully they do an 8k OLED.
@@robertwilsoniii2048 for all the 8k source material out there? Let's be honest, most 4k are 2k up conversions due to a 2k intermediate for all the costly to render SFX, so until THAT changes, there's little point.
@@CrewBC I disagree. In terms of PPI (pixels per inch) 8k in a 55" screen is the first TV resolution and size combo to match the resolution in pixels per inch on an iPhone 5. This just demonstrates how far behind TV's are compared to the other tech out there. I fully support the 8k resolution, and, in fact, Amazon Prime Video does have an 8k title. It's an underwater ocean documentary filmed entirely on Red 8k cameras and it looks amazing.
It’s funny I’ve always preferred HDR10+ content even though everyone says Dolby Vision is superior. DV certainly has more content out there especially on Blu-ray. That being said, this video at least made me realize I wasn’t crazy.. haha I also have yet to understand why Dolby Vision has to be so dark at times. It crushes details and for me personally that’s important to me. If someone is wearing a black suit, I want to see the detail of the suit not just blackness.. The only way to get this is to crush the picture quality and colors, by using dynamic contrast on LG c2. It’s also unfortunate because Dolby Vision looks amazing in some scenes such as the outdoor scenes with brightness and scenery such as Forrests etc. Idk, maybe I’ve just become so spoiled these days with all our tech expectations, but I think DV has some work to do.. or they need a newer better HDR Codec… first world problems I know haha
Yup, LG C9 was rated THE TOP TV when it came out! I am running a SONY X900F, bc I couldn't afford the C9. I'm very happy with the picture, and I am running a PIONEER VSX1130 7.2 ATMOS also, which is great! I am saving for Class G surround amp, before Im upgrade the SONY. I've read some A-1 reviews about Class G!
I've noticed this too, HDR10+ does make better overall job in various contents. I have two tv's , another with dolby vision and another supports hdr10+, and after days of comparing, hdr10+ was slightly better. Ofcourse if i wouldn't have anything to compare, i wouldn't miss a thing. Most of the people won't even see the difference, they watch a movie, not the details and contrasts...
Every article I've read lately says Dolby Vision is better. I hate that. I prefer to see for myself. Thanks. For me Seeing what's in the shadows is important to me so HDR10+ is what is best for me now and simplifies my decision.
@@ThaVillaMan my Tv is Phillips 43pus7334/12. When I watch video with HDR10+ or DV the picture is accelerated ... in any HDR mode (normal, movie) is this normal ?. how to change it?
Guys , I have a doubt... on Netflix, Amazon prime e another streamings it’s a *huge* diference using a tv witch Dolby Vision? Cause I was going to buy a Lg oled but there’s a lot of people complaining about the burn-I’m effect...
Netflix and Disney+ only stream HDR content in Dolby Vision; Amazon supports HDR streams in Dolby Vision and HDR10+. I think all the streams are TV-led; it means all the HDR processing will be done on the TV side so the TV must support the HDR format of the stream. If the TV doesn't support either Dolby Vision or HDR10+, it will fall back to the baseline HDR10. Whereas, for physical media (Blu-ray HDR), it depends on the format listed on the media: HDR10, HDR10+, and/or Dolby Vision. Still, a media player must be able to read the HDR format. Some media players are able to choose between the HDR processing modes: Player-led or TV-led; they will tell the TV which mode it should be through EDID. If the TV doesn't do TV-led processing, it will fall back to Player-led HDR processing. Same as TV, if the media player doesn't support either Dolby Vision or HDR10+, it will fall back to the baseline HDR10. However, there are reported issues that some Samsung TVs have a problem to handle Netflix Dolby Vision HDR stream due to the lack of Dolby Vision: search Google for "Netflix HDR Samsung TV issue"
It's like the, which sound system is better? Dolby vs DTS. As you said, probably more the encoding and variations of the decoders. It's all getting a little silly when 95% of the public, cannot tell ANY difference or simply do not care. Price and size is what sells a TV for most people.
I read a minute ago they say the joker 4k Blu Ray is reference picture quality hope you can use the movie in the next comparisons/test of new TVs. Okay that's it 😓
dude, are you stupid? his camera and youtube do not support dolby vision and hdr10plus. all the dolby vision and hdr10plus videos from that idiot are worthless.
Yeah, it will work fine for physical media that supports HDR10+. But, physical media can support either DolbyVision or HDR10 as well. Not a big deal. But, it will be a problem for HDR streams from Netflix, Disney+, and Amazon. Amazon is okay as it supports HDR stream in Dolby Vision and HDR10+ depending on the source of the streaming media. But, Netflix and Disney+ only stream HDR content in Dolby Vision. This cause some Samsung TVs to have a problem handling Dolby Vision HDR streams since Samsung TVs no longer supports Dolby Vision, in favor of HDR10+, due to bad HDR driver to handle the lack of Dolby Vision as the HDR stream falls back to the baseline HDR10. Most of the stream scenes become too dark, washed out, or with inaccurate colors as the TV tries to determine the peak brightness and the tone mapping from the stream source.
Dolby vision is the true standard it goes up to 12bit colour gamut rec 2100 Sony knows that there standard is the true standard everyone I play a hdr game in hdr 10 I kinda wish dolby vision killed HDR10 and 10+
Both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision are based on the PQ gamma curve, which as is brilliantly exemplified by these movies, was designed for calibrated cinema viewing conditions (i.e. a dark room). The fundamental mismatch of PQ for consumer HDR viewing is its display-referenced absolute luminance scale, which forces mastering labs to pick a specific max brightness level (in nits) for the entire film. The PQ luminance scale ranges up to 10,000 nits, far beyond the capabilities of consumer TV's (typically up to 250 nits for SDR panels and anywhere from 500 to 1000 nits for HDR panels). HDR10+ films are commonly mastered at 1000 nits, while Dolby Vision can range up to 4000 nits (which NO consumer display can match). This creates aggravating compatibility issues with HDR panels which cannot produce such high levels of luminance, not to mention consumers' need to set their own preferred brightness level. This is why HDR10's static luminance metadata was not flexible enough and HDR10+ and Dolby Vision use dynamically-scaled metadata for each scene. IOW, they are both retrofitted metadata patches tweaked to fix a fundamental, self-inflicted flaw in the PQ HDR standard. By contrast, the HLG gamma curve uses scene-referred relative luminance levels, which automatically scale to match both display panel peak luminance and consumers' preferred brightness level. This is why HLG-mastered films need no additional metadata streams, in addition to being backward-compatible with legacy non-HDR displays (which are likewise scaled to relative luminance levels). These features make HLG-mastered videos far more consumer-friendly and adaptable to widely varying viewing conditions.
There is nearly no films mastered at at 4.000/10.000 nits because their own cinemas cant even use this brightness And when they do its on 3 pixels for 4 seconds (litterally) They even rarely use their P3 Color space. Even DolbyVision TV Shows are dimmed. On the other hand, HDR 10+ has been designed with TVs in mind which are way brighter than cinemas, hence getting the best out of our TVs. And its proven on this test once again, colorists have more freedom with HDR 10+.
@@SP95 Have you looked at the HDR10+ on a few TV's simultaneously along with a reference display ? I'll send you pictures if you haven't. The images are inconsistent because it is left to the individual TV's/screen's ability. Colorists care about how close and consistent the the end result looks on any screen(oled, led etc.) with the different levels/profiles of metadata that match and map to all the certified displays for color accuracy. That service and quality guarantee is what drives content adoption across platforms.
10-bit HLG or HDR HLG is not backwards compatible(no idea why the industry sent this confusing message). Try it on an old SDR TV and it'll black out. Some TV's that support 8-bit HLG play 10 bit HLG but the luminance and contrast are way off - scenes are too dark and skin tones look sun burnt.
I feel like I have watched this before.. lol.. I love your videos with hlg hdr. I think u should do a how to get perfect vid settings on a lg tv and other brands
Does this change some of your past recommendations. Previously you raised Samsung tvs lacking DV as a concern, but if the reality is it does not make that much difference and the panels don't support 12 bit to begin with should DV really be a reason not to buy a Samsung at this point? How does streaming content compare? Meaning Netflix content in DV on a Samsung vs a comparable Sony model? What I would like to understand is, do the other features of a samsung cause hdr content to be displayed better still even without supporting DV compared to the similar sony model? Thank you, and appreciate your content.
I find showing two tv's next to each other the only way I can watch and compare it. I have no idea,... How you (can) do it ? And if you can do it rightfull that way ??? It would be best with two same brand and type tv's next to each other,.. The split screen is nice but then we have different image and there is two much going on to see it !! And showing complete images after each other is also to problematic for me. But I know.. It's too much to ask ?? But I think it needs to be done.. with two same calibrated tv's !! And then you even have to question.. WHich tv ! or tv's.. Because who knows how different brands create their dolby vision.. or hdr10+ ??
Villaman, I really like the stuff you are producing. I just wish that for your best panel list, you would not have made it about $$$. I mean, you gave SONY A9G second behind the LGC9, by your own admission, because of the high SONY price. Okay, BUT how about a “price not considered”...THEE BEST panel...I think SONY edges LG by a “hair.” Not everyone wants to pay that penalty for THEE best for a % more, but a LOT of enthusiasts pay 50% more in audio for 10% better...2% better. Consider “Best, regardless of price!” Thanks, and keep up the GREAT reviews.
Testing on those Warehouse generic no-name TV's apples and oranges and you're right when you get an OLED then we'll see Apple's Apple's especially with my new Sony XBR-65A8H 4K Dolby Vision TV/DVD aka the Rolls Royce of TVs/DVD'S 🤓🖖🏻 / Dolby Vision content allows for up to 12-bit color; HDR10 and HDR10+ are only 10 bit. This might not sound like a big difference, but 10-bit color equals 1.07 Billion colors, whereas 12 bit increases that to an impressive 68.7 Billion colors.
I prefer HDR10+ due to it having better dynamic range. The Dolby Vision is way too contrasty and lacks details in the shadows. But that's just my opinion and what I like.
Great work, sir! Confirmed my suspicions. I always thought that Dolby vision looked slightly dimmer on average than Hdr10. Both can deliver stunning images but for some reason I always found myself drawn to Hdr10.
Great comparison. It would be interesting to see how the Dolby Vision compares between this Vizio, an LG Oled and the Sony to see how processing may affect the overall presentation. At least for me personally, DV on an LG 2017 Oled looks brighter in average picture brightness than regular HDR. Some low luminance scenes can look “murky” but you can still see the detail in shadows and what not.
Noob Question: Does my TV have to support HDR10+ to get that playback? Currently my TV the sony x900h does HDR10! But does the Panasonic player allow it or upscale it to HDR10+ ??? Sorry for the silly question
No, Sony doesn’t support HDR10+, and there’s no way to upscale to HDR10+ either. Sony does support Dolby Vision tho, as you may know, so you can have your player output that (if it has the capability). Hope that helps!
The difference is so thin it doesn't justify the cost of HDR, it also depends of the camera, most aren't true HDR so it's just changing the format of the video, which can lead to the same effect if you use more brightness or fix the dark area. Nobody will notice the difference. The same way boosting saturation also looks like HDR.
Im quite shocked tbh, Dolby vision is supposed to be better in every way, brightness 4ooo - 10000 nits and colour 12 bit, yet no mention of massive colour improvement and both films were brighter in hdr10+ 1000 - 4000 nit and DV had black crush. I know tv's can't hit them top peak brightness, but i'd expect the Dv one to tone map better considering the amount of people who bang on about how good it is. Tbh i still don't get the 12bit colour hype for Dv either, no tv has 12 bit panel so don't know how it produces far superior colours . . . As people say.
@@pb24dagrk black crush and not as bright, how you figure it looked better then? He did mention the colours are a bit better on the DV version, the scene with girls top. Not enough for it to warrant the amount of advertising for 12bit colour . . . Which tv's can't do
Best comparison video on you tube. New subscriber, thank you for your efforts. I always had a feeling that dolby vision was crushing my blacks /shadow detail on my oled v hdr 10. In my own comparisons (ub820 dolby vision v xbox hdr) I found the same results as you did. Keep up with the good work 👍 (oh and nice t shirt, but it's COLOUR! (🇬🇧 🤣) ✌️
I would assume dolby vision(DV) is more suitable to oled than hdr10+ since it can benefit from the infinite contrast, where on lcds shadow detail will look more crushed and harder to handle since DV is more contrasty than HDR10+. And if that's the case then it makes sense that samsung didn't license dolby vision on its tv line up and only licensed HDR10+ imo.
I like Dolby Vision more, but it's way too dark at my Sony AF8 Oled TV. I don't know it's because of Netflix but it's way too dark . HDR is bright and that's nice
Ross Huey That’s because it doesn’t need to achieve that high nuts due to its black levels . All of the qleds etc are trying to play catch up by boosting the nits and having sub par blacks . Sometimes more is not better and this is the case here .
Ross Huey usually people who haven’t owned an Oled make these points . Those that know , know that it’s not about the numbers when it comes down to it and that is why Oled’s still reigns supreme amongst serious enthusiasts for watching movies on a tv .
@Ross Huey It has good blacks but only a high End Full array will compete with oled but HDR does looked good on the Sony 930E55 it can get brighter than any oled and it's a amazing tv no tv is perfect that's why i have oled and LCD i wanted sony Z9D but i didn't have the funds so i degraded my tv but not munch 930E is a baby Z9D that's why i bought it i wished i had bought Z9D one of the best TVs ever made but we can't always get what we want.
Told that makes do movies or TVs with one technology HDR, HDR 10+ or Dolby vision..no need spread contact wasted buy many movie with HDR 10 HDR 10+ or Dolby vision 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤
Great video! I actually have a Vizio P Series Quantum X 65 inch so I loved seeing this comparison video and I’m glad it supports all the HDR formats! It’s interesting how hdr10 is overall brighter and I love that my Xbox One X supports 4K hdr10 games. They look amazing too. Keep up the good work villa man! 😀
I would definitely like to see this test run when an oled that supports Dolby Vision and HDR10+ becomes available. It would be interesting to see if the differences in the levels of detail in dark regions of the images could/would be similar on an oled. Ideally you would be able to get two (or more) oled's with different processing capabilities, but that's not going to happen in 2020, unfortunately, as unless I'm mistaken Vizio will be the only oled manufacturer offering all the formats. Great test though.
Oef, Dolby Vision marketed as the best but HDR10+ is much better if you want more detail. This is especially evident on budget and mid-range tv's, given that they usually only have around 350 nits brightness. What i hate is that you can't select in which form of HDR you want to watch tv in, the option just isn't there on most/all tv's. HDR10+ is clearly the best with good colors and higher brightness.
I guess the biggest question in my mind are how do the studios tone map the same movie in Dolby Vision and HDR10+? Is it a human process whereby the same certified technician in both formats works on the mastering, is it two separate individuals for each HDR format or is it an automated computer process that produces both DV & HDR10+ in a batch process? It would be nice if somehow the process of mastering HDR movies in both formats were unveiled to give us better insight.
I would go with a Dolby Vision compatible set only because I feel they won the war. I rarely see movies with HDR10+ and while it's obviously not as good as disc or movie theater versions, a lot of streaming services are using Dolby as well.
Hi VillaMan, can you please do comparision on Dolby Vision vs HDR10 using LG OLED vs Samsung Q90T or 80T by streaming or playing couple of movies or last series of Mandalorian on Disney+? Much appreciate.
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I fully expected to like the Dolby vision better but I prefer the 10+. Thanks for the great video
Why would you not be using an OLED in this type of video, the LED in comparison to LG’s C9 is a world apart and real world wise would the OLED destroy that led model..
Awesome videos and I’m definitely a fan 🤙🏼
I see a problem with your comparison. HDR10+ and DV are mastered separately. If HDR10+ is overall brighter then this is a studio decision, not a limitation of one of the standards. As you said in the end, they both look nearly identical. I say if any standard wins (like with blueray and hddvd) let it be the one that is more open and costs less. This will only benefit the consumer in the long run.
Hi Villa man do you still think this holds true. Deciding between a 85 inch q90a 2021 or a LG C1 77 inch .
If my firestick has hdr10+ but the tv no hdr+ will there be an improvement in video quality or if I get a firestick with no hdr10+ but the tv has hdr10+ will the video be better?
Watching this in 360p with blue filter
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Pmhz I literally hate comments like this !
@@anmolthakur8384 try to relax, geez..
@@Pmhz. Looks great on my 13 in black and white with rabbit ears decoding algorithm. Works best on UHF 20.
@@anmolthakur8384 I literally hate comments like this !
HDR10 seems to be just fine where as HDR10+ brightens everything up and Dolby Vision has good color contrast. I'm really fine with just HDR10. The difference isn't that noticeable unless you're trying to compare them. Even then, HDR10+ and Dolby Vision have minute differences from HDR10.
But, between HDR10+ and Dolby Vision, I would pick Dolby Vision. But in real life, lol, I bought a HDR10+ capable TV. So, I want to watch movies in HDR10+.
Would be great to have any
Just like EVERYTHING -- it depends on the source content 100%.
You can have a HDR10+ video that looks better than Dolby Vision.
You can have a Dolby Vision video that looks better than HDR10+
You can have two Dolby Vision videos that look incredibly different from one another.
You can have two HDR10+ videos that look incredibly different from one another.
It's ridiculous and too random now lol
So just like everything, when you compare apples to bananas you can get all kinds of results. But that has nothing to do with the question which is better format.
@@Cuthalu Yes, it does. Are you so stupid really can't see the point? You can compare the SHARED components of each thing... Apples and Bananas are both fruit, they both grow on trees, they both have fucking skin, they're both sweet. Don't be a dense difficult asshole in life and people will think you're a bitch a bit less.
DV processing is DV processing, your TV gamma setting can have a negative affect on PQ. 2.2 is the expected gamma, just hope your display 2.2 gamma is a correct factory calibrated 2.2.
Also, remember that colorist have control over the brightness of any element in the content, DV represents the creators intent.
Your Panasonic is known to have some DV processing issues. So make sure to turn off enhancement settings when DV content is played.
@@djlowtek You left out the words "that" and "you" right after calling someone stupid.
I didn't know HDR+ and Dolby have changing scene brightness. That's amazing!
This is the point of Dolby Vision, it has metadata to control brightness
I actually hate that about DV, it's distracting to see the whole picture shift brightness imo.
@@NecroMorrius So does HDR 10+
Resume in qled vs Oled war again haha, i prefer qled(hdr10+), Netflix Will use it someday?
I was watching *Our Planet* earlier today on Netflix in Dolby Vision on the LG C9 and it was very bright! Looked amazing
This tv is a masterpiece
@Haywire Infinity it’s a matter of taste. I personally set the max Brightness to „medium“ on my E9. This limits the hdr effect a little bit, but for me personally it’s very fine. The max setting was too bright for me.
Visio PQX does 3000 nits 😜
@@MisterReen brightness isn’t brightness it’s black level.. if you don’t know what you’re doing it’s best not to touch those settings
I got that tv last year and I love it LG C9 plus the sl10yg soundbar it's amazing
HDR10(+) seems to make more sense combined with (Q)LED because of their higher black levels so that the details are displayed brighter. For OLED on the other hand with its capability of true blacks I assume the darker parts of the picture in Dolby Vision would still retain most of the detail and you would actually be able to increase picture quality with the higher contrast. So I think LG’s and Sony‘s approaches both make sense to focus on the technology that favors their type of panel.
HDR10+ and HDR10 are identically on a calibrated Oled. No difference in any Movie. From what i Heard, the + Tone Mapper is for Displays with less than 500 Nits only. Alita on an Oled has much More Contrast in Dolby Vision
@@tuwdc "from what i heard"
OK tkanks for ur opinion
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@@LK-yf1ov he heard or read from somewhere.. just like others. you being useless, thats my opinion and its real one.
@@Nodirm93 and True
that's not how this works...that's not how any of this works
Maybe DV isn't as huge as people say going off this.
DV 4000 - 10000nits
HDR10+ 1000 - 4000nits
Yet these films were brighter in HDR10+.
No mention of better colours from DV 12bit colour palette, and to top it off DV caused black crush, i thought the tone mapping from DV would be better . . . . . . Apparently not.
Actually he does mention the colour looked slightly better on the DV with the girls top, not a big difference but better regardless.
Definitely subscribed because I for sure was staring at them speakers 😂
I'm glad these comparisons exist...but my takeaway is almost always that if you have to study side by side comparisons to notice the difference then it becomes fairly irrelevant to the times you're just enjoying a movie.
HDR10+ looks way better than Dolby vision
Dolby Vision is the best; especially when viewed on an OLED. Just wait until tvs launch with 12 bit panels which is what Dolby Vision is mastered in. Samsung is the only tv manufacturer that doesn't support DV. Freak Samsung.
You got me at "We also review audio here"
Idk why the hell this guy has only 34k subscribers! Best videos you can watch on all this technology. Perfect picture quality and really good explanation on what you watching. Good job buddy you should have way more than 34k subscribers.
Meanwhile me watching in 240p and saying Dolby is better 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good test and well done. I watched on my tv in 4K w/HDR and my opinion is the the DV coloring is better, but too dark. HDR10+ details were better in the darkness. So I agree with your take.
What model TV are you watching?
Do you have AMOLED or IPS?
I love how HDR10+ looks on my QD OLED.
I think the dark scenes in HDR10+ are fantastic but for bright scenes I like the Dolby Vision. Also if it's an in between scene then it might be a tossup for me.
Sgtbigmike yeaa, They literately are black and white. I believe the dolby with a higher brightness will make it look better overall
dolby vision and dolby atmos, as the better!!
Feels like For QLED HDR10+ makes more sense and Dolby Vision for OLED's
I have a QLED with Dolby vision and 4k I think it is good
In the Sony x900F (2018) the dolby looks so good!
@@abhaydabas79 which qled does support Dolby vision?
@@rohit-gk5lr TCL - [55c15] WITH (4k 55-inch screen with dolby vision and dolby atmosphere and HDR 10)
While me using chinese Direct LED TV and it has both Dolby Vision and HDR 😜
I don't see the poll in the top right of the screen. But let me say here. I got the Dolby/HDR10+ comparison wrong.
It's funny how everybody falls over each other for a simple comparison. There is simple no right or wrong answer here. Sometimes even hdr 10 looks better then those two others.
just no 🤦🏻♂️
@@roflcopter3625 Just yes, it is completely subjective outside of things that actually alter the image like ghosting.
Area you suggesting that if picking up your HDR system is just a gamble, that ENGINEERS are wrong!? STOP THE PRESS!
@@timppaUT no I don't think that's what their exactly trying to say. For the most part Dolby vision will be better, but in some rare anomalies it's possible that hdr10 actually does better (tho it's very rare). Overall it's safe to assume Dolby vision > HDR10+ > HDR 10:
@@_Chad_ThunderCock Oy IS safe assume: WHY? Because toi happeen to like high contrast version of HDR? I myself was More like shocked that there was that much difference between those three!? (Well. More like two. 10 and 10+ were otettu same) If I was the leader of The global HDR development team, I would gonna keep long meeting because of that.
Man I can't stand dolby vision How it dims the movies, can't stand it
How about comparing Disney+, Netflix, Console gaming, PC gaming, etc. on HDR10+ and DV? O wait we can't, because 90% of the sources don't have HDR10+. Whatever the case maybe, the more widely adopted format will be better, because you can actually use it.
This is true
Tha_VillaMan I just hope that Samsung stops being a baby at some point and just adopt what people can actually use. I ended up buying a c9 over the q90r for this very reason. If they had DV, I would have definitely bought Samsung.
Prime Video supports HDR10+, snd Prime Video is the best streaming service with the best content anyway.
I look forward to a Vizio OLED with HDR10+. That would be a great TV. Hopefully they do an 8k OLED.
@@robertwilsoniii2048 for all the 8k source material out there? Let's be honest, most 4k are 2k up conversions due to a 2k intermediate for all the costly to render SFX, so until THAT changes, there's little point.
@@CrewBC I disagree. In terms of PPI (pixels per inch) 8k in a 55" screen is the first TV resolution and size combo to match the resolution in pixels per inch on an iPhone 5. This just demonstrates how far behind TV's are compared to the other tech out there. I fully support the 8k resolution, and, in fact, Amazon Prime Video does have an 8k title. It's an underwater ocean documentary filmed entirely on Red 8k cameras and it looks amazing.
Love your channel man! Always good stuff! If you are ever down for a collab let me know!
It’s funny I’ve always preferred HDR10+ content even though everyone says Dolby Vision is superior. DV certainly has more content out there especially on Blu-ray. That being said, this video at least made me realize I wasn’t crazy.. haha I also have yet to understand why Dolby Vision has to be so dark at times. It crushes details and for me personally that’s important to me. If someone is wearing a black suit, I want to see the detail of the suit not just blackness.. The only way to get this is to crush the picture quality and colors, by using dynamic contrast on LG c2. It’s also unfortunate because Dolby Vision looks amazing in some scenes such as the outdoor scenes with brightness and scenery such as Forrests etc.
Idk, maybe I’ve just become so spoiled these days with all our tech expectations, but I think DV has some work to do.. or they need a newer better HDR Codec… first world problems I know haha
RUclips needs to stop using OS HDR. Trying to watch this in HDR after activating Windows HDR, and it is clipped beyond belief.
All I know is everything looks good on my c9!
Yup, LG C9 was rated THE TOP TV when it came out! I am running a SONY X900F, bc I couldn't afford the C9. I'm very happy with the picture, and I am running a PIONEER VSX1130 7.2 ATMOS also, which is great! I am saving for Class G surround amp, before Im upgrade the SONY. I've read some A-1 reviews about Class G!
P.S. I totally think you shoot re-do this with an OLED though. Totally curious as to the results. R.
Damn that hdr10 plus
And thanks for the HDR upload man..
Dolby Vision > HDR 10+ > HDR
I didn’t even know youtube videos can be in hdr lol good stuff man
I've noticed this too, HDR10+ does make better overall job in various contents.
I have two tv's , another with dolby vision and another supports hdr10+, and after days of comparing, hdr10+ was slightly better.
Ofcourse if i wouldn't have anything to compare, i wouldn't miss a thing.
Most of the people won't even see the difference, they watch a movie, not the details and contrasts...
IMO the brightness of HDR10+ shows MUCH MORE shadow details so we can see things more/better in the shadows/shades/deep color areas. I prefer it!
I totally agree. I hate the idea of having details crushed in dark scenes.
Every article I've read lately says Dolby Vision is better. I hate that. I prefer to see for myself. Thanks. For me Seeing what's in the shadows is important to me so HDR10+ is what is best for me now and simplifies my decision.
Hey villa great efforts and editing skills......
Thank you!
@@ThaVillaMan my Tv is Phillips 43pus7334/12. When I watch video with HDR10+ or DV the picture is accelerated ... in any HDR mode (normal, movie) is this normal ?. how to change it?
Guys , I have a doubt... on Netflix, Amazon prime e another streamings it’s a *huge* diference using a tv witch Dolby Vision? Cause I was going to buy a Lg oled but there’s a lot of people complaining about the burn-I’m effect...
Netflix and Disney+ only stream HDR content in Dolby Vision; Amazon supports HDR streams in Dolby Vision and HDR10+. I think all the streams are TV-led; it means all the HDR processing will be done on the TV side so the TV must support the HDR format of the stream. If the TV doesn't support either Dolby Vision or HDR10+, it will fall back to the baseline HDR10. Whereas, for physical media (Blu-ray HDR), it depends on the format listed on the media: HDR10, HDR10+, and/or Dolby Vision. Still, a media player must be able to read the HDR format. Some media players are able to choose between the HDR processing modes: Player-led or TV-led; they will tell the TV which mode it should be through EDID. If the TV doesn't do TV-led processing, it will fall back to Player-led HDR processing. Same as TV, if the media player doesn't support either Dolby Vision or HDR10+, it will fall back to the baseline HDR10. However, there are reported issues that some Samsung TVs have a problem to handle Netflix Dolby Vision HDR stream due to the lack of Dolby Vision: search Google for "Netflix HDR Samsung TV issue"
It's like the, which sound system is better? Dolby vs DTS. As you said, probably more the encoding and variations of the decoders. It's all getting a little silly when 95% of the public, cannot tell ANY difference or simply do not care. Price and size is what sells a TV for most people.
Personally, I felt DTS sounded better than Dolby Digital back in the day.
HDR10+ WINS!!!
I read a minute ago they say the joker 4k Blu Ray is reference picture quality hope you can use the movie in the next comparisons/test of new TVs. Okay that's it 😓
I heard that too. I still have to go pick it up
I prefer the hdr10+. I hate loosing details in dark scenes.
Please do comparisons HDR10+ vs Dolby Vision on Oled TV ! Thank you !
So did that video ever happen? I'm having trouble finding it.
dude, are you stupid? his camera and youtube do not support dolby vision and hdr10plus. all the dolby vision and hdr10plus videos from that idiot are worthless.
@@roflcopter3625 damn someone's mad
@@Mr.BananaManYT ultra mad
@@roflcopter3625 Don't be mad he don't know, you should answer him and please be nice to other people
I can't find any difference at 144p.
HDR10+ combined with QLED = Perfection
Thnks broooo
Yeah, it will work fine for physical media that supports HDR10+. But, physical media can support either DolbyVision or HDR10 as well. Not a big deal. But, it will be a problem for HDR streams from Netflix, Disney+, and Amazon. Amazon is okay as it supports HDR stream in Dolby Vision and HDR10+ depending on the source of the streaming media. But, Netflix and Disney+ only stream HDR content in Dolby Vision. This cause some Samsung TVs to have a problem handling Dolby Vision HDR streams since Samsung TVs no longer supports Dolby Vision, in favor of HDR10+, due to bad HDR driver to handle the lack of Dolby Vision as the HDR stream falls back to the baseline HDR10. Most of the stream scenes become too dark, washed out, or with inaccurate colors as the TV tries to determine the peak brightness and the tone mapping from the stream source.
Dolby vision is the true standard it goes up to 12bit colour gamut rec 2100
Sony knows that there standard is the true standard everyone I play a hdr game in hdr 10 I kinda wish dolby vision killed HDR10 and 10+
Dolby lookz more realistic ✨ (Watching on One Plus 7t Pro 5g McLaren 🔥🦇💨 1440p Hdr)
Watching this on my OnePlus 8 pro HDR10+ 1440p 10bit AMOLED
@@KamranYounis1 lol 😂
I’ve always preferred HDR over DV, overall all to me a brighter picture is a clearer picture
Both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision are based on the PQ gamma curve, which as is brilliantly exemplified by these movies, was designed for calibrated cinema viewing conditions (i.e. a dark room). The fundamental mismatch of PQ for consumer HDR viewing is its display-referenced absolute luminance scale, which forces mastering labs to pick a specific max brightness level (in nits) for the entire film. The PQ luminance scale ranges up to 10,000 nits, far beyond the capabilities of consumer TV's (typically up to 250 nits for SDR panels and anywhere from 500 to 1000 nits for HDR panels). HDR10+ films are commonly mastered at 1000 nits, while Dolby Vision can range up to 4000 nits (which NO consumer display can match). This creates aggravating compatibility issues with HDR panels which cannot produce such high levels of luminance, not to mention consumers' need to set their own preferred brightness level. This is why HDR10's static luminance metadata was not flexible enough and HDR10+ and Dolby Vision use dynamically-scaled metadata for each scene. IOW, they are both retrofitted metadata patches tweaked to fix a fundamental, self-inflicted flaw in the PQ HDR standard.
By contrast, the HLG gamma curve uses scene-referred relative luminance levels, which automatically scale to match both display panel peak luminance and consumers' preferred brightness level. This is why HLG-mastered films need no additional metadata streams, in addition to being backward-compatible with legacy non-HDR displays (which are likewise scaled to relative luminance levels). These features make HLG-mastered videos far more consumer-friendly and adaptable to widely varying viewing conditions.
There is nearly no films mastered at at 4.000/10.000 nits because their own cinemas cant even use this brightness
And when they do its on 3 pixels for 4 seconds (litterally) They even rarely use their P3 Color space. Even DolbyVision TV Shows are dimmed.
On the other hand, HDR 10+ has been designed with TVs in mind which are way brighter than cinemas, hence getting the best out of our TVs.
And its proven on this test once again, colorists have more freedom with HDR 10+.
@@SP95 Have you looked at the HDR10+ on a few TV's simultaneously along with a reference display ? I'll send you pictures if you haven't. The images are inconsistent because it is left to the individual TV's/screen's ability. Colorists care about how close and consistent the the end result looks on any screen(oled, led etc.) with the different levels/profiles of metadata that match and map to all the certified displays for color accuracy. That service and quality guarantee is what drives content adoption across platforms.
10-bit HLG or HDR HLG is not backwards compatible(no idea why the industry sent this confusing message). Try it on an old SDR TV and it'll black out. Some TV's that support 8-bit HLG play 10 bit HLG but the luminance and contrast are way off - scenes are too dark and skin tones look sun burnt.
thank for video! Dolby Vision in facts is so different from advertising, the images of Dolby vision become darker and blur so I like HDR 10 than.
On my Sony xh90 I can always choose between division dark or bright, on darker movies the bright setting helps to see the details in darker areas...
HDR10+ clearly looks better
The Dolby Vision snobs looking hella foolish 🤣
I feel like I have watched this before.. lol.. I love your videos with hlg hdr. I think u should do a how to get perfect vid settings on a lg tv and other brands
Dopby vision hands down. Hdr10 is way to warm
Does this change some of your past recommendations. Previously you raised Samsung tvs lacking DV as a concern, but if the reality is it does not make that much difference and the panels don't support 12 bit to begin with should DV really be a reason not to buy a Samsung at this point? How does streaming content compare? Meaning Netflix content in DV on a Samsung vs a comparable Sony model? What I would like to understand is, do the other features of a samsung cause hdr content to be displayed better still even without supporting DV compared to the similar sony model? Thank you, and appreciate your content.
Dolby vision hands down imo
Sike.. Dolby Vision makes movies look dull and dark
I find showing two tv's next to each other the only way I can watch and compare it. I have no idea,... How you (can) do it ? And if you can do it rightfull that way ??? It would be best with two same brand and type tv's next to each other,.. The split screen is nice but then we have different image and there is two much going on to see it !! And showing complete images after each other is also to problematic for me.
But I know.. It's too much to ask ?? But I think it needs to be done.. with two same calibrated tv's !! And then you even have to question.. WHich tv ! or tv's.. Because who knows how different brands create their dolby vision.. or hdr10+ ??
Dolby vision, always looks orange.
Villaman, I really like the stuff you are producing. I just wish that for your best panel list, you would not have made it about $$$. I mean, you gave SONY A9G second behind the LGC9, by your own admission, because of the high SONY price. Okay, BUT how about a “price not considered”...THEE BEST panel...I think SONY edges LG by a “hair.” Not everyone wants to pay that penalty for THEE best for a % more, but a LOT of enthusiasts pay 50% more in audio for 10% better...2% better.
Consider “Best, regardless of price!”
Thanks, and keep up the GREAT reviews.
I have the Sony x950 and my dolby vision is bright and vivid.
Bright? Yes, Vivid? I disagree. I owned this tv shortly and did not like it at all
Testing on those Warehouse generic no-name TV's apples and oranges and you're right when you get an OLED then we'll see Apple's Apple's especially with my new Sony XBR-65A8H 4K Dolby Vision TV/DVD aka the Rolls Royce of TVs/DVD'S 🤓🖖🏻 / Dolby Vision content allows for up to 12-bit color; HDR10 and HDR10+ are only 10 bit. This might not sound like a big difference, but 10-bit color equals 1.07 Billion colors, whereas 12 bit increases that to an impressive 68.7 Billion colors.
Watching at 2160p HDR on my iPad , It’s amazing 🤩
I prefer HDR10+ due to it having better dynamic range. The Dolby Vision is way too contrasty and lacks details in the shadows. But that's just my opinion and what I like.
didn't realize I was at 480p these samsung screens on their phones are truly amazing.
hdr 10 is the most natural.
Great work, sir!
Confirmed my suspicions. I always thought that Dolby vision looked slightly dimmer on average than Hdr10. Both can deliver stunning images but for some reason I always found myself drawn to Hdr10.
I seem to prefer the DV picture.
I have to say H DR10+ looked way better
Great comparison. It would be interesting to see how the Dolby Vision compares between this Vizio, an LG Oled and the Sony to see how processing may affect the overall presentation. At least for me personally, DV on an LG 2017 Oled looks brighter in average picture brightness than regular HDR. Some low luminance scenes can look “murky” but you can still see the detail in shadows and what not.
Noob Question: Does my TV have to support HDR10+ to get that playback? Currently my TV the sony x900h does HDR10! But does the Panasonic player allow it or upscale it to HDR10+ ??? Sorry for the silly question
No, Sony doesn’t support HDR10+, and there’s no way to upscale to HDR10+ either. Sony does support Dolby Vision tho, as you may know, so you can have your player output that (if it has the capability). Hope that helps!
Great video, kept them coming. That's definitely a comparison I wanted to see.
One is supported by every staining service I use. Other don't
The difference is so thin it doesn't justify the cost of HDR, it also depends of the camera, most aren't true HDR so it's just changing the format of the video, which can lead to the same effect if you use more brightness or fix the dark area. Nobody will notice the difference. The same way boosting saturation also looks like HDR.
I like the Dolby vision image
Im quite shocked tbh, Dolby vision is supposed to be better in every way, brightness 4ooo - 10000 nits and colour 12 bit, yet no mention of massive colour improvement and both films were brighter in hdr10+ 1000 - 4000 nit and DV had black crush. I know tv's can't hit them top peak brightness, but i'd expect the Dv one to tone map better considering the amount of people who bang on about how good it is. Tbh i still don't get the 12bit colour hype for Dv either, no tv has 12 bit panel so don't know how it produces far superior colours . . . As people say.
@@mnormansell1984 it did look better in every way though
@@pb24dagrk black crush and not as bright, how you figure it looked better then?
He did mention the colours are a bit better on the DV version, the scene with girls top. Not enough for it to warrant the amount of advertising for 12bit colour . . . Which tv's can't do
Thanks for HDR video
👍
Best comparison video on you tube.
New subscriber, thank you for your efforts.
I always had a feeling that dolby vision was crushing my blacks /shadow detail on my oled v hdr 10.
In my own comparisons (ub820 dolby vision v xbox hdr) I found the same results as you did.
Keep up with the good work 👍 (oh and nice t shirt, but it's COLOUR! (🇬🇧 🤣) ✌️
I would assume dolby vision(DV) is more suitable to oled than hdr10+ since it can benefit from the infinite contrast, where on lcds shadow detail will look more crushed and harder to handle since DV is more contrasty than HDR10+. And if that's the case then it makes sense that samsung didn't license dolby vision on its tv line up and only licensed HDR10+ imo.
Dolby Vision 🔝
Watching on Galaxy Note5, which doesn't support HDR 😂
all seems like typical brightness/contrast changes from the settings really
Well AND clear comparison.
Although i prefer sound over the vission.
I like Dolby Vision more, but it's way too dark at my Sony AF8 Oled TV. I don't know it's because of Netflix but it's way too dark . HDR is bright and that's nice
Same were
Sony hdr is just dark, but DV is just a mess
@@DV-ou1yu It looks much better when smooth gradation is turned off on dv content
@@barrapabloh I turn that bs off for everything
Dolby vision is better because it'll be standardised now that the iPhone 12 can film in it. Samsung not using it in their QLED is a massive turn off
Let's do it on OLED TV
That’s what I was thinking
Ross Huey That’s because it doesn’t need to achieve that high nuts due to its black levels . All of the qleds etc are trying to play catch up by boosting the nits and having sub par blacks . Sometimes more is not better and this is the case here .
Ross Huey usually people who haven’t owned an Oled make these points . Those that know , know that it’s not about the numbers when it comes down to it and that is why Oled’s still reigns supreme amongst serious enthusiasts for watching movies on a tv .
@Ross Huey Most of my HDR looked better on my LGE6 65 than my Sony 930E55 but there are some exceptions when the sony wins.
@Ross Huey It has good blacks but only a high End Full array will compete with oled but HDR does looked good on the Sony 930E55 it can get brighter than any oled and it's a amazing tv no tv is perfect that's why i have oled and LCD i wanted sony Z9D but i didn't have the funds so i degraded my tv but not munch 930E is a baby Z9D that's why i bought it i wished i had bought Z9D one of the best TVs ever made but we can't always get what we want.
Told that makes do movies or TVs with one technology HDR, HDR 10+ or Dolby vision..no need spread contact wasted buy many movie with HDR 10 HDR 10+ or Dolby vision 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤
A regular RUclips channel in HDR? Yes!
I like to think I’m above average, but sure 😅
@@ThaVillaMan :)
Was totally surprised when my phone suddenly switched to HDR mode while scrolling YT. 😲
Dolby Vision is preserving the highlights much better.
Big Thumbs up for Alita
A non expert like myself could say dlobyvision gama is set to 2.4 and hdr10 is set to 2.2 or 2.0. Other diference i canot notice.
Great video! I actually have a Vizio P Series Quantum X 65 inch so I loved seeing this comparison video and I’m glad it supports all the HDR formats! It’s interesting how hdr10 is overall brighter and I love that my Xbox One X supports 4K hdr10 games. They look amazing too. Keep up the good work villa man! 😀
Dolby vision all day long. 12 bit of color gamut its unbeatable
no hdr10+ in netflix means i'd go for dolby vision
HDR10+
I would definitely like to see this test run when an oled that supports Dolby Vision and HDR10+ becomes available. It would be interesting to see if the differences in the levels of detail in dark regions of the images could/would be similar on an oled. Ideally you would be able to get two (or more) oled's with different processing capabilities, but that's not going to happen in 2020, unfortunately, as unless I'm mistaken Vizio will be the only oled manufacturer offering all the formats. Great test though.
My iPhone 12 Pro shoots Dolby vision hdr at 60fps
I prefer the HDR10+ over Dolby Vision, especially if it is brighter and more detail I. The dark shadows and blacks.
dolby vision lg oled is incomparable 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
No
@@calebscloset7282 no what
@@calebscloset7282 No to your life's value.
@@lelouchvibritannia777 qled for the win
@@calebscloset7282 Seems like someone is broke.
Oef, Dolby Vision marketed as the best but HDR10+ is much better if you want more detail. This is especially evident on budget and mid-range tv's, given that they usually only have around 350 nits brightness. What i hate is that you can't select in which form of HDR you want to watch tv in, the option just isn't there on most/all tv's. HDR10+ is clearly the best with good colors and higher brightness.
I guess the biggest question in my mind are how do the studios tone map the same movie in Dolby Vision and HDR10+? Is it a human process whereby the same certified technician in both formats works on the mastering, is it two separate individuals for each HDR format or is it an automated computer process that produces both DV & HDR10+ in a batch process? It would be nice if somehow the process of mastering HDR movies in both formats were unveiled to give us better insight.
That’s a really good question. I wondered as much myself
@@ThaVillaMan I found this video from AVForums interesting. It was uploaded today. What do you think of it? ruclips.net/video/7BcC-b9Nx_Y/видео.html
I would go with a Dolby Vision compatible set only because I feel they won the war.
I rarely see movies with HDR10+ and while it's obviously not as good as disc or movie theater versions, a lot of streaming services are using Dolby as well.
Wish my C9 OLED supported HDR 10+
Hi VillaMan, can you please do comparision on Dolby Vision vs HDR10 using LG OLED vs Samsung Q90T or 80T by streaming or playing couple of movies or last series of Mandalorian on Disney+? Much appreciate.
Dont like how I cant see any detail in the dark with dv so I'm all for hdr10. To each their own.