Hey there, I have a 23 GTS C2 in 7MT. Paint is Carmine red and the interior GTS package is Carmine red stitching which is why I got it. The manual is so nice and it is easier to drive than my Mini Cooper S.
Underrated? Why? Everybody loves the GTS. After the base model (for obvious rea$ons), the GTS have the longer waiting list. It's the sweet spot in all 911 versions.
I do think it doesn’t get as much attention (at least on RUclips) as one might expect. Most of the time, if it’s a GT car being reviewed, it ends in 3. (Yes, I know this isn’t an actual GT car).
@@RB-xv4si a GT car is a car that's designed with both long-distance driving and high speeds in mind. Why the GTS can’t be considered a GT car? It’s different of GT-R class, which is GT race focused.
in the uk i have seen more turbos and carrera s than GTS - ive seen many turbos and S's but only ever 2 GTS, specifically only 1 992 GTS. as well as this there is very little in terms of used market for them at the moment so grabbing a pre owned manual with aerokit has become far more difficult
GTS waiting list is only two months here in the U.K. most built model I have the 992 S next is the 992 GTS. Load of new. Models unsold on Porsche U.K. lots
Nice review. I have a 992 GTS aero kit and love it. Mine also has PDK, on the track definitely the better option and on the road as a daily would still go PDK. I also have a manual Boxster so best of both worlds.
I just ordered one. I went Manual because I don't drive a ton. Hope I made a good choice. For me, I figured nothing connects you to a car like a manual. PDK looks like fun though!
Seriously have said it so many times and have seen it over and over in drag races. You need approximately 200hp more than the 911 to beat a 911. Also first hand experience as I have a GTS.
Great stuff. Brother has a chalk with aero and dad has an Agate grey. I wouldn’t necessarily say it “sits between the GT3 and the S”. The GT3 is a basically a completely different line up. Maybe it “sits between the S and the Turbo” would be more accurate. Since the GT3 is NA, double wishbones, etc, it’s much different and more unique than the normal 911 lineup. That being said, the performance of the GTS vs the GT3 is so dang close (in some ways, track times might be even better in a GTS with same tires, for some drivers).
Well price wise it does sit between the gt3 and S. The gt3 gets different suspension because it wouldn’t be fast enough on the track to justify the price difference over a GTS. The gt3 is also Built on the carrera body. The turbo s is faster than a gt3 on most tracks with the right tire, so personally the main selling point of a gt3 is the engine. Gt3rs imo is more of the special 911 variant. GTS is probably a bit slower than gt3 on the track but in the straight line stuff the GTS is quicker. Performance wise and price wise the gt3 is the next step up from the GTS
Currently the GTS is hard to get without 20-30k ADM. My friend got his in white with ADM and Aero Kit, but he has a lot of issues, and he is now filing for a lemon and waiting for Porsche to respond.
@@carswithnate May I ask which dealership? Here in CA all dealers are charging ADM. I submitted my built to a few only 2 of them said they have allocation but they will give it to person who pays the most for it.
@@novatech2129will they simply give preference to the person who options their GTS the most over the base price? I mean, if you load it up with $45k in options, that seems like a simple way to snap up their allocation.
Is it really worth the extra money compared to the Carrera S? A few reviewers who drove the S and GTS back to back say that the power difference isnt that noticeable
The biggest difference in the GTS is the way it handles and sounds. Plus you get the alcanatra gt3 style interior. It’s more for driving versus raw power.
I would suggest to you that all the non GT 911s are underrated. The automotive press is obsessed with the race car derived GT products. The base 911, T, and GTS are remarkable cars for the road and have the added benefit of allowing you not to lose your drivers licence as quickly as a Turbo, GT3, GT3RS or S/T.
price wise, the gt3 is the next step up. Gt3 is cheaper than a turbo MSRP. Especially considering the gt3 is based on a carrera body and the turbo gets a whole different body and intakes. Performance wise, the GTS is more similar to the gt3. The GTS is supposed to be the most hardcore carrera. It gets the turbo parts because if it got the gt3 parts it would be faster than a gt3.
@@carswithnate Great points ! I understand better where you are coming from and why so many other reviewers make the same comment. Thank you. Consider the points below. The GT3 has a 9000 RPM 4.0 liter engine, the body is based on a Carrera true. The body of the GT3 RS is based on the turbo. That doesn’t make either next in line . When you look on the Porsche site , model overview page . The Carreras end then the Turbos start . Then the GT3’s come next . Those points aside , the GTS receives wheels from the turbo , optional suspension from the turbo (except the targa). As far as price ? MSRP and reality are two separate ideas . Certainly MSRP of a GT3 is closer to a GTS , in reality? No one purchases a GT3 less expensive than a Turbo . No one purchases a GT3 at MSRP. Only a select few multimillionaires and or multi 911 unit buyers will ever have the chance to purchase a GT3.
The gt3 is definitely a different feeling when you’re driving because of the engine, sound, gearbox and suspension. So I do agree that for most people who want a “road” car, they will look at the turbos before the gt3’s when moving on from a GTS. But, I think most of the gt3’s value on the used market is because of the fear of combustion engines being banned by the EU and America in the future. I don’t think personally that a gt3 (non rs) should be $300k as good as it is. Gt3’s always held value well, but to be double over MSRP I think is not normal and not what the manufacturer values the gt3 at. With that being said, as a GTS owner I would definitely progress to a gt3 from a GTS instead of a turbo. I track my cars and love the light weight of the gt3. I think the majority of Carrera S owners would pick a turbo over a gt3. But I think a decent amount of GTS and even T owners would prefer a gt3 over a turbo. But my main point in the video was price, but ultimately it’s up to if someone wants a track focused car or a street car
I hear what your saying . Unless you’re hooked up well with a dealer ? You will not have a chance for a new GT3 , I don’t believe they are ever double , but 100-150k over , for a regular person to buy. I have a 2023 GTS Cab. Akropovich slip on and Akropovich sport cats . No track for me . Long distance rides are my preference. I have no interest in a turbo , only because of the no option manual . I would buy a GT3 in any configuration tomorrow as a second car if I was able to buy new at MSRP , no interest in used . I would drive any version of the GT3 , GT3RS being my first choice every time. Again it would not go on a track . A 20k mile trip and back n forth to work every day would be my usage . I ride bikes too . On a rainy day , I’d much rather be in a GT3RS . As far as price goes , I hit just short of every box available , including exclusive manufacture interior , so I was up close to turbo money . Bought it to keep it . If I do sell ? Options always help . Great conversation , thank you .
Most of the 911 content online is about gt3’s or turbo’s, so basically nobody makes content about the GTS except for a few reviews. Also, a lot of Carrera owners say that there’s no reason to get a GTS and instead you should get a GT3 if you wanted a more driver focused carrera. But the reality is that the GTS is just as fast as a gt3 on the street, much cheaper, still has 4 seats, comfortable and practical enough to daily drive and is great on the track too.
@@carswithnateit’s not underrated, it’s basically NOT rated. But this is how the GTS has always been. New MY comes out and Porsche always does the S and base first, so those get a ton of reviews because they all want to drive it. Then typically the Turbo and GT3 trickle in and the mags want to test those. Somewhere in there, Porsche seems to sneak the GTS in and since they have already done so many articles on the S, Turbo and GT3, many of the mags don’t do it a ton of reviews and usually mention that they are similar to the S, with a little more HP, and some other little toys and features added. If the GTS were the first one to come out, there would be a ton of reviews.
C8 Z06 has more power also RWD faster 0-60 and maybe faster on the track. Hard sell for 150k with 480HP. unless you love Porsches and already invested into the ecosystem
@@carswithnateu comparing apples to oranges. Ones ICE ones EV also the tesla handles like crap and the brakes suck. I thought we were talking about performance cars?
What we SHOULD be asking ourselves is WHAT ARE WE GOING TO FIRST WITH THE 911?? Everyday stoplights to support driving??? City streets only??? Howe high l much driving skill do you agree have??? But i would say the GTS IS ALL THE 911 anyone needs to get a taste of the"Porsche Experience"... Must of us are not F1 drivers
Good video. However, gotta respectfully disagree, the RS Spyder wheels on my 23 4 GTS look far cooler, imo and with no center lock, you don't have to worry about getting stranded if you have a flat out in the sticks. The wing is nice but I am not sure I would want it.....just looks too boy racer. Also alcantara wears out really fast, especially on lower seat, and will actually reduce resale, Nate.
Hit too close to home? Ha. Take it easy, champ, thats the beauty of the 911, you can get it whatever way you want it. You went for the wing and the Guards Red. I went for the more subtle spoiler and Aventurine Green and we're both happy. Cheers.@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam
My GTS is a June 2023 on 1k miles and I'm considering getting the wheel re-wrapped in proper alcantara.The porsche race rex had an unusual ability to pill and wear way too quick for £135k@@carswithnate
Hard pass on the shopping cart wing for a GTS. Great cars, maybe worth the money, save the cylinder bore score scandal and bearing failures, but value and Porsche do not go in the same sentence.
Mostly a road car. Looks boy racer and ruins the clean lines. Hurts fuel efficiency. To me just looks bad. If I wanted a track car with a wing I would go for the GT3
The buckets were on back order when I ordered my car and it’s my daily driver so the 18 ways ended up being a good choice for me. The biggest thing on the race track is driver skill. I’m faster than most people at the track not because I have the fastest car but because I’m a better driver than most of the guys at the track days.
I’ve watched many GTS reviews and this is one of the bests. Excellent job!
Hey there, I have a 23 GTS C2 in 7MT. Paint is Carmine red and the interior GTS package is Carmine red stitching which is why I got it. The manual is so nice and it is easier to drive than my Mini Cooper S.
What a great spec!
Underrated? Why? Everybody loves the GTS. After the base model (for obvious rea$ons), the GTS have the longer waiting list. It's the sweet spot in all 911 versions.
I do think it doesn’t get as much attention (at least on RUclips) as one might expect. Most of the time, if it’s a GT car being reviewed, it ends in 3. (Yes, I know this isn’t an actual GT car).
@@RB-xv4si a GT car is a car that's designed with both long-distance driving and high speeds in mind. Why the GTS can’t be considered a GT car? It’s different of GT-R class, which is GT race focused.
@@mcunhabr I’m saying it’s not a GT car as far as Porsche models go…not a GT3/RS.
in the uk i have seen more turbos and carrera s than GTS - ive seen many turbos and S's but only ever 2 GTS, specifically only 1 992 GTS.
as well as this there is very little in terms of used market for them at the moment so grabbing a pre owned manual with aerokit has become far more difficult
GTS waiting list is only two months here in the U.K. most built model I have the 992 S next is the 992 GTS. Load of new. Models unsold on Porsche U.K. lots
Great video best GTS content on RUclips keep it up 💯
Nice review. I have a 992 GTS aero kit and love it. Mine also has PDK, on the track definitely the better option and on the road as a daily would still go PDK. I also have a manual Boxster so best of both worlds.
Totally agree. Enjoy your GTS
I just ordered one. I went Manual because I don't drive a ton. Hope I made a good choice. For me, I figured nothing connects you to a car like a manual. PDK looks like fun though!
@@Reefkeeper578You can't really go wrong, manual or PDK. Enjoy your car.
@@davidowen2859 thank you !
Nice to know.... I'm waiting my GTS w/aerokit right now. Will arrive next month.
Great description! Great informative video!
Thanks for the review. Excellent!
Seriously have said it so many times and have seen it over and over in drag races. You need approximately 200hp more than the 911 to beat a 911. Also first hand experience as I have a GTS.
Great review!
Excellent review.
great review man. I just ordered a 2024. What radar are you using? do you like it?
Thanks! I use the radenso pro M. It’s expensive but it has great range and saves me all the time.
Can you comment to if those chalk seat belts would match well with white paint? (My build locks in 7 days)
I personally think the red stitching is better with a white car, but chalk matches with anything
Hi, what kind of noise / vibration is it between 5.000 an 6.000 rpm ?
Great stuff. Brother has a chalk with aero and dad has an Agate grey. I wouldn’t necessarily say it “sits between the GT3 and the S”. The GT3 is a basically a completely different line up. Maybe it “sits between the S and the Turbo” would be more accurate. Since the GT3 is NA, double wishbones, etc, it’s much different and more unique than the normal 911 lineup. That being said, the performance of the GTS vs the GT3 is so dang close (in some ways, track times might be even better in a GTS with same tires, for some drivers).
Well price wise it does sit between the gt3 and S. The gt3 gets different suspension because it wouldn’t be fast enough on the track to justify the price difference over a GTS. The gt3 is also Built on the carrera body. The turbo s is faster than a gt3 on most tracks with the right tire, so personally the main selling point of a gt3 is the engine. Gt3rs imo is more of the special 911 variant. GTS is probably a bit slower than gt3 on the track but in the straight line stuff the GTS is quicker. Performance wise and price wise the gt3 is the next step up from the GTS
On a short track with lots of tight turns, I’m sure the GTS would be faster.
Currently the GTS is hard to get without 20-30k ADM. My friend got his in white with ADM and Aero Kit, but he has a lot of issues, and he is now filing for a lemon and waiting for Porsche to respond.
I got my GTS at MSRP in 2023
@@carswithnate May I ask which dealership? Here in CA all dealers are charging ADM. I submitted my built to a few only 2 of them said they have allocation but they will give it to person who pays the most for it.
@@novatech2129will they simply give preference to the person who options their GTS the most over the base price? I mean, if you load it up with $45k in options, that seems like a simple way to snap up their allocation.
Standard GTS stitching option is chalk or carmine red (not guards red).
Actually in the UK it’s called crayon not chalk. Get your facts right dude
Beautiful GTS👍. Is it GT silver？Looks like dolomite silver with a blue tone in it.
Gt Silver. In the shade it shows a little
Blue
The 911 rear engine platform is simply the best. And let’s be honest, Porsche is sandbagging on the horsepower number.
ur video popped on my recommended video's, good quality video, hope u make it far! ❤dont forget me thx
Is it really worth the extra money compared to the Carrera S? A few reviewers who drove the S and GTS back to back say that the power difference isnt that noticeable
The biggest difference in the GTS is the way it handles and sounds. Plus you get the alcanatra gt3 style interior. It’s more for driving versus raw power.
Sound won’t be any different if you option the S with the sport exhaust.
Good video. The 0-60 is probably even better since you got some wheel slip when you launched it.
Yeah for sure these tires have already been to the race track so they don’t have a ton of grip left and it was 100 degrees outside that day
I would suggest to you that all the non GT 911s are underrated. The automotive press is obsessed with the race car derived GT products. The base 911, T, and GTS are remarkable cars for the road and have the added benefit of allowing you not to lose your drivers licence as quickly as a Turbo, GT3, GT3RS or S/T.
I agree, but all the models will make you lose your license if you take it to redline lol
Love the car, but why didn’t you get a manual gear? Its more fun I think.
This is my daily driver so the pdk made more sense.
Really enjoyed your video, wish you the best for your channel
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love how you blocked out the mph in the middle but not on the left... nice 160mph pull lmao
Hey man it’s in Kilometers not miles
that is no longer a 2k option the aero
Ah I see. Mine is a ‘23 so that’s where I got that price from
What spec do you have?
What do you mean ?
@@carswithnate
What options did you choose, and what was the total sticker price
RWD, Rear axle steering, aero kit,18 ways, GTS interior package, steel brakes, Bose, surround view camera, lane change assist. MSRP $165k
@@carswithnate
Did you get the front axle lift?
If not, have you had any issues with pot holes or speed bumps???
No I did not. Haven’t had any issues as long as you take steeper inclines at an angle
The GTS is the top of the line Carrera, shares a few turbo options-next up is the Turbo, the GTS has nothing to do with the GT3
price wise, the gt3 is the next step up. Gt3 is cheaper than a turbo MSRP. Especially considering the gt3 is based on a carrera body and the turbo gets a whole different body and intakes.
Performance wise, the GTS is more similar to the gt3.
The GTS is supposed to be the most hardcore carrera. It gets the turbo parts because if it got the gt3 parts it would be faster than a gt3.
@@carswithnate Great points ! I understand better where you are coming from and why so many other reviewers make the same comment. Thank you.
Consider the points below.
The GT3 has a 9000 RPM 4.0 liter engine, the body is based on a Carrera true.
The body of the GT3 RS is based on the turbo. That doesn’t make either next in line .
When you look on the Porsche site , model overview page . The Carreras end then the Turbos start . Then the GT3’s come next .
Those points aside , the GTS receives wheels from the turbo , optional suspension from the turbo (except the targa).
As far as price ? MSRP and reality are two separate ideas . Certainly MSRP of a GT3 is closer to a GTS , in reality? No one purchases a GT3 less expensive than a Turbo . No one purchases a GT3 at MSRP. Only a select few multimillionaires and or multi 911 unit buyers will ever have the chance to purchase a GT3.
The gt3 is definitely a different feeling when you’re driving because of the engine, sound, gearbox and suspension.
So I do agree that for most people who want a “road” car, they will look at the turbos before the gt3’s when moving on from a GTS.
But, I think most of the gt3’s value on the used market is because of the fear of combustion engines being banned by the EU and America in the future. I don’t think personally that a gt3 (non rs) should be $300k as good as it is. Gt3’s always held value well, but to be double over MSRP I think is not normal and not what the manufacturer values the gt3 at.
With that being said, as a GTS owner I would definitely progress to a gt3 from a GTS instead of a turbo. I track my cars and love the light weight of the gt3. I think the majority of Carrera S owners would pick a turbo over a gt3. But I think a decent amount of GTS and even T owners would prefer a gt3 over a turbo.
But my main point in the video was price, but ultimately it’s up to if someone wants a track focused car or a street car
I hear what your saying . Unless you’re hooked up well with a dealer ? You will not have a chance for a new GT3 , I don’t believe they are ever double , but 100-150k over , for a regular person to buy. I have a 2023 GTS Cab. Akropovich slip on and Akropovich sport cats .
No track for me . Long distance rides are my preference. I have no interest in a turbo , only because of the no option manual . I would buy a GT3 in any configuration tomorrow as a second car if I was able to buy new at MSRP , no interest in used .
I would drive any version of the GT3 , GT3RS being my first choice every time. Again it would not go on a track . A 20k mile trip and back n forth to work every day would be my usage .
I ride bikes too . On a rainy day , I’d much rather be in a GT3RS .
As far as price goes , I hit just short of every box available , including exclusive manufacture interior , so I was up close to turbo money .
Bought it to keep it . If I do sell ? Options always help .
Great conversation , thank you .
I love this model! So why is it so underrated, you never said?
Most of the 911 content online is about gt3’s or turbo’s, so basically nobody makes content about the GTS except for a few reviews. Also, a lot of Carrera owners say that there’s no reason to get a GTS and instead you should get a GT3 if you wanted a more driver focused carrera. But the reality is that the GTS is just as fast as a gt3 on the street, much cheaper, still has 4 seats, comfortable and practical enough to daily drive and is great on the track too.
@@carswithnateit’s not underrated, it’s basically NOT rated. But this is how the GTS has always been. New MY comes out and Porsche always does the S and base first, so those get a ton of reviews because they all want to drive it. Then typically the Turbo and GT3 trickle in and the mags want to test those. Somewhere in there, Porsche seems to sneak the GTS in and since they have already done so many articles on the S, Turbo and GT3, many of the mags don’t do it a ton of reviews and usually mention that they are similar to the S, with a little more HP, and some other little toys and features added. If the GTS were the first one to come out, there would be a ton of reviews.
C8 Z06 has more power also RWD faster 0-60 and maybe faster on the track. Hard sell for 150k with 480HP. unless you love Porsches and already invested into the ecosystem
Tesla model S has 1000 HP faster 0-60 than c8. Why not buy that if speed is #1 concern??
@@carswithnateu comparing apples to oranges. Ones ICE ones EV also the tesla handles like crap and the brakes suck. I thought we were talking about performance cars?
"The Porsche 911 GTS is underrated" said nobody.
On RUclips the gt3 and turbo S tend to be the only ones that get attention
What we SHOULD be asking ourselves is WHAT ARE WE GOING TO FIRST WITH THE 911?? Everyday stoplights to support driving??? City streets only??? Howe high l much driving skill do you agree have???
But i would say the GTS IS ALL THE 911 anyone needs to get a taste of the"Porsche Experience"...
Must of us are not F1 drivers
Nice car, should be a manual though.
Good video. However, gotta respectfully disagree, the RS Spyder wheels on my 23 4 GTS look far cooler, imo and with no center lock, you don't have to worry about getting stranded if you have a flat out in the sticks. The wing is nice but I am not sure I would want it.....just looks too boy racer. Also alcantara wears out really fast, especially on lower seat, and will actually reduce resale, Nate.
That’s fine! That’s why porsche gives so many different ways to configure your car
Looks boy racer? At least the car is capable enough to utilize it.
Hit too close to home? Ha. Take it easy, champ, thats the beauty of the 911, you can get it whatever way you want it. You went for the wing and the Guards Red. I went for the more subtle spoiler and Aventurine Green and we're both happy. Cheers.@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam
also… not alcantara. It’s called race tex.
It’s alcantara just Porsches version of alcantara lol. I bet you can’t tell the difference between “race tex” and “alcantara”
My GTS is a June 2023 on 1k miles and I'm considering getting the wheel re-wrapped in proper alcantara.The porsche race rex had an unusual ability to pill and wear way too quick for £135k@@carswithnate
ok, I'll take 2
Hard pass on the shopping cart wing for a GTS. Great cars, maybe worth the money, save the cylinder bore score scandal and bearing failures, but value and Porsche do not go in the same sentence.
New ferrari is more like $300k more lol
Nothing is for free. 😂 It is included in the packaged price and you certainly pay for it.
It’s at a discount if you option those same options on a Carrera S
I own a 992 GTS and it DOES sound like a vacuum cleaner
I have one too and and imo it doesn’t sound like a vacumm cleaner
GTS only with manual
I agree but this is my daily driver and launch controls are fun so PDK for me
Lose the wing.
Why? It makes more downforce than the standard spoiler
Mostly a road car. Looks boy racer and ruins the clean lines. Hurts fuel efficiency. To me just looks bad.
If I wanted a track car with a wing I would go for the GT3
Most people with a gt3 only use their car on the road. I probably track my GTS more than most gt3 drivers 👍🏻
The gt3 road guy should then have the touring.
If you track this why have the wing and not the carbon bucket seats?
The buckets were on back order when I ordered my car and it’s my daily driver so the 18 ways ended up being a good choice for me.
The biggest thing on the race track is driver skill. I’m faster than most people at the track not because I have the fastest car but because I’m a better driver than most of the guys at the track days.
Underrated and overpriced
Facts.