How The Monsterverse Nerfed Kong!
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Kong is going head to head with Godzilla in 2020, but would this Kong have more trouble with Godzilla then a scaled up Kong of a previous incarnation? In other words, Kong was nerfed and doesn't have certain attributes his character always had which would certainly aid him with fighting Godzilla!
Another thing that MV Kong misses out on is his aggression that we see in other iterations. MV Kong is almost too human, not to say that his high intelligence and calm nature is bad (which it isn’t), he just doesn’t feel like a true monster. This is shown in most of his fights where he’s just standing there like: 😧 He just doesn’t have any primal rage moments that we see with other monsters like Godzilla where he’s just punching, biting, and throwing objects in pure angry. I hope we see some moments like this in the new film. I want Kong to be scary again.
Agreed!
I see your point but i like the fact that he has calmed down a bit shows he has matured a great deal and knows when to fight and when not to altough i do agree hes way too human might as well have been had a past human life at this point lol
Honestly, you bring up some pretty good points. Personally i didnt rlly dislike the 2017 skull island but i can definitely see where you're coming from. The 2017 skull island felt a lot less horrifying and sort of empty. Along with kong not always needing to fight for his life. I think this was probably intentional, i think they went for an island thats deceptive. It looks beautiful but it isnt a peaceful island. However, they could have done more with this concept tho and really delved into the horrors of skull island .
I mean the name skull island should mean what type of Island this is
@@destroyahthedemontitan4454 das a good point tbh
I mean I don't know why they would do that? It did seem empty, it did seem like danger was not at every single corner, overall without danger where it needs to be, Kong becomes less sharp a fighter and incapable.
@@KingKong19100 ya, thats a great point, if they did want to go that route, the beauty part of it should really only be "skin deep" the longer the movie would go on, the worse skull island should turn out to be- all in all, i dont really know why either if they wouldn't have gone the full nine yards.
Speaking of Nerfed, did you see G v. K? They beyond nerfed Kong in that. Disgraceful that Kong was in human protection the whole time. I think they saved Kong 8 times or so.
Man they hella nerfed Kong. And they tryna say Godzilla was nerfed for Kong, which is BS
Finally some Kong content :) Keep up the good work! 👍 And also have you stepped up your quality. ever since 2010.
Thank you so much man I appreciate you! More Kongtent to come (cutting back on MV Kong hate since I do like it)
Well at least Kong fought a squid and 3 Skull Crawlers unlike in the 1976 movie where he was fighting a giant snake!
I always said that If Kong was as big as Godzilla, he would win. My point still stands. In GvK, Godzilla was freaking 61ft bigger than Kong. And Kong was insanely nerfed in GvK. In the OG King Kong vs Godzilla, King Kong was beating Godzilla, even before he got struck with lightning. He was tackling him and throwing punches. Then he stupidly hit his own head and Godzilla got free hits on him. Then Kong got struck by lightning and the beat Godzilla. He was barley shorter than Godzilla and was beating him. His hits seriously damaged Godzilla, unlike in GvK, where every time Kong hit Godzilla, Godzilla almost immediately bounced back and literally shook off the damage. I feel like they made Kong so he would get stomped by Godzilla. They severely nerfed his experience and even his strength.
Kong fanboy lmao
True. Not to mention that they had to make godzilla fast enough to catch up with Kong
@@michaelnickols2633Godzilla would still beat Kong.
@RedSkull-hn2zi If there was another GvK being made and there was a non-bias director directing it, yes, but that would also mean Kong would win. Why? Because both are Kings and worthy. Basically, equal wins and equal losses. Any movie where one wins majority or the whole time is a lie.
I love both incarnations honestly. Although I do prefer King Kong 2005 just a little bit more. I mean the problem here with comparing these two is that we haven't even seen Monsterverse Kong's full potential yet. I find it a bit unfair even if I'm on the side of 2005 Kong.
You figure since he'd be on the kaiju scale he would at least be impressive, but man he was so weak.
@@KingKong19100 I mean, compared to something like Godzilla of course he'd be weak at least at this moment in time of his life. Just give him some time and he'll become a force to be reckoned with. 😊
@@treyrex5987 exactly
I disagree with you on the animals looking bland, it's mainly their size as you explained later on in the video. And we never really see them in action.
Though I do agree that Monsterverse should have shown that Kong had to fight those just as big as him and the fact it's an everyday thing.
And you're right, 2005 Skull Island is much deadlier than Monsterverse Skull Island
Imagine if King Kong 2005 was the same size as Godzilla 2019, he would be such a force.
No, they're sizes don't matter. I was talking purely creature design. I just wish Skull Island was dangerous as it is always supposed to be. Danger at every corner, no matter what Kong would become so much more experienced and dangerous.
@@KingKong19100 what makes them bland?
@@whatdoyouwantinthismovie1939 Honestly, they seem to lack creativity. In terms of Skull Island, I feel like creatures that seem less natural and more monstrous belong on the island rather than mammalian mega-fauna. If we had some more biped reptilian-like creatures bigger than Kong, it would be a start! I don't find them all bland, I like the Death Jackals and Swamp Locusts, SirenJaws are okay. I think kaiju from like, Godzilla The Series, belong on Skull Island. I would have had dinosaurs evolve differently on Skull Island which allows for more flexibility on their designs and their overall heights and whatnot.
@@KingKong19100 I guess Gorosaurus would have been a good candidate for that. Like as a species multiple Gorosaurs, growing to heights of 300+ ft
I agree that 2005 kong is far more entertaining and full of better world building than the MV's skull island. Mainly because MV literally feels devoid of love for kong.
Yup and aggresive
Before I get into anything I just wanna say how much I appreciate the effort you put into the editing and the fun nostalgic clips of the 2005 King Kong game I've been looking forward to a video for a while and this got my real hyped and as always I can't wait for the next video (yeah Kong can definitely tank a couple of atomic breaths these kids don't know what they're on about)
But yes skull island in 2017 is tame and too peaceful compared to 2005's island which was harsh and viscous while still having some beauty to be found
The monsters in 2017 were cool but it doesn't feel nearly as prehistoric and basically all of the monsters are puny to Kong and are just about no threat to him other than the skull crawlers I guess but he man handles multiple of them anyway as seen when he bodies two of them in the film when Marlow gives his speech however the concepts are nice it's just they're not as malicious or nearly as threatening to Kong
King Kong in 2005 is far more experienced and badass simply because the odds were usually against him and every day was a fight for survival for him forcing him to truly become King on the island by being put through the test meanwhile in the monsterverse Kong would have only had this issue when he was young because at 100ft he was fine and nothing was really a threat to him which makes him weaker because he isn't in a constant struggle to survive so he's just too chill and laid back
The majority love the 2005 Kong more because he was just a lot more impressive
They made him look terrible vs Godzilla
I can’t wait for Godzilla vs Kong to come out, and I hope it’s actually realistic like Godzilla 2014.
Hell yes brother!
If they took the 'King' out of Kong, then maybe he should fight Zilla instead of Godzilla.
This didn’t age well
For the record monsterverse kong was still a child in the movie and he's grown in 2020 so he could be a much better fighter than he was in 2017
I know, but if the island was as dangerous as it needed to be, Kong would be sharp enough to take on creatures bigger than he is or multiple ones at that.
@@KingKong19100 agreed maybe you should make a video on how you would do kong skull island 😆👍
@@destroyahthedemontitan4454
Totally agree.
@destroyah the demon titan that did not age well.
The 2005 version of Skull Island is more frightening and scary than the Monsterverse Skull Island in the 2005 version there are more scary areas and aggressive creatures.
Samuel Perry true but I still wouldn’t go to both of them
GVK turned out to be quite a disaster though. They mistreated and downplayed Kong so heavily in favor of Godzilla.
There are a lot of reasons for that. Adam Wingard was definitely biased and he has Kong portrayed like some dog who gets saved 9 times. When the opportunity to shit on Kong presents itself, Wingard takes it. He's biased towards Godzilla, Kong has nobody in his corner due to his rights being so fucked meanwhile Toho is coddling Godzilla (just look at how many iterations of the laugh they did and how lately they only want Godzilla portrayed as OP), and all the writers are against Kong in the film. We would have gotten Kong fighting titans for years like Godzilla did in Dominion in order to make him more experienced, but instead the writers pulled a dome outta their ass which made no sense whatsover.
@@KingKong19100 Absolutely! It's just a damn shame. Got me so depressed after being so hyped.
@@Xenosaurian bro bad news Adam wingard will direct next upcoming king kong movie
@@rahulsastha4493 That's old rumors, it's not yet been confirmed, but if it happens I'm definitely sad to hear it. Wouldn't want that guy anywhere near Kong, or Godzilla for that matter.
@@Xenosaurian bro it literally confirmed that Adam wingard will be director .
They didn’t nerf King Kong by his strength, stamina, speed, agility, durability or using the environment to his advantage. *HOWEVER* they did *NERF* him by his island not being hostile and extremely dangerous enough not having a lot of variety of creatures that are larger than him in height and body weight, He spends most of the time patrolling his home keeping it in check instead of fighting every single day of his life to see a tomorrow, doesn’t have enough fighting experience to turn the fight to his favor during when the odds are against him, and finally they nerfed him by his name *KING KONG* to just *KONG*
actually he has a short chance to beat godzilla i remember in the graphic novel an ancient kong beat a godzilla but its the same godzilla from gvk
I agree that Skull Island was toned down but maybe 2021 will change that. I prefer the Kong in the MonsterVerse because is so different and unique from the other incarnations. I know that making Kong fight for for his life makes him badass, tragic and stronger (the fact that no creature has managed to kill him) but I kinda like more that the MonsterVerse Kong is the God of his island.
I agree that there was more dangerous monsters in 2005 but if you put Ramarak on the 2005 Skull Island, I think everything would go extinct, like, he's more powerful than every creature on that skull island.
But I do wish that the MonsterVerse skull island was more like the 2005.
Great video.
0:35 could not agree more Hell in the 2005 version even the insects would eat you alive! THE FUCKIN BUGS!!!.
I Know This is An Older Video From Year 2020...
But You've Done a Wonderful Job On This.
The Explanation on King Kong, The island and it's Creatures Was Perfection.
Keep Up The Good Work _KingKong19100_ :D
I prefer 2005, but Monsterverse Kong is still a beast. He's one of the most intelligent, agile, sentiment, & poweful Titans . He's a gentle giant with a savage side. He had to fight even larger creatures than those in 2005 his whole life. He's also very interesting!! Skull island just refused to copy the Dinosaur element of Kongs story. I respect that!
I don’t care Kong was NERFED I like him
I would be interesting ina video talking about that animated show
I think they did this because the fact that most of the animals and environment that came up from the hollow earth had to adapt, perish or retreat back to the depths. Maybe that's why it doesnt look so exotic because those elements had to stay down in the hollow earth where the radiation or energy source they need is a lot more abundant? I think it was grounded and putting bigger kaiju in the film may not have been a good idea since the monsterverse seems to have different rules trying to incorporate as much of the sci fi element from godzilla and kong resembling more the original than Peter Jackson's remake.
If anything Toho brought kong to another level making him bigger to take on godzilla in the first place in the original. I feel like maybe they were setting up for the cool stuff to come in a hollow earth and go away from the skull island stuff and it being more and just a sneak peak of what's to come down in the motherland
In nature, size doesn’t matters as much as one would think. The giant skull crawler may be shorter than kong, but it is a hyper carnivore as confirmed in the comics. It must constantly eat to survive therefore making its metabolism and overall speed/reaction time that much quicker than Kong’s. Using this mode of life, small shrews are able to take down adult garter snakes. Kong was up against something pretty much his size that had better natural weaponry and speed. For a juvenile Kong, that is an impressive victory.
Agree on that.
King kong 2005 if he was in the monsterveres and was around 300ft or more he would be a strong alfa in the island and he might beat this kong
"Skullcrawlers, which 2005 King Kong could wipe the floor with"
Oh yes, the skull crawlers which shrugged off 50 cal machine guns in their smaller size, while also be a far more flexible and agile then any theropod dinosaur.
Shrugging off gunfire doesn't mean they aren't susceptible to getting their skulls caved in or jaws ripped off. King Kong himself is far more flexible than MV Kong is.
@@KingKong19100 And said crawlers are over 40 tons in weight. They are build a lot more densely than normal animals as at similar sizes, they are over twice the mass of a V.rex and almost eight times that of 05 Kong's mass. That means whenever they charge into something and ran into it, they have to withstand 40 tons of force pushing back in the other direction in a head on collision. Armored head and extremely flexible body also means 05 Kong isn't going to be able to out manuever them like he could a dinosaur. 05 Kong could get some hits in, but he'd not win that fight. Must less against multiple crawlers.
K:SI is a kaiju movie. 05KK is a monster movie more akin to Jurassic Park with realistic animals (to an extent). The power tiers are different and how the rules work also differ.
@@Tarbtano The baby Skull Crawlers Weaver and crew fought in the boneyard were nowhere near 40 tons. The Skull Crawlers are not armored, their head is like bone but bone can break, especially with 05 Kong's proportionate strength. The Skull Crawlers are limited to their two arms, Kong has four arms. His two legs and two arms. He can literally out-maneuver that Skull Crawler, the Skull Crawler has nothing on Kong who can use his legs which are just as strong to keep the arms at bay while he uses his own arms to rip the jaws open.
@@KingKong19100
Official stats bro. Kaiju logically are built tougher than normal animals so it makes sense they'd be dense even at a small size. Logically the V.rex wouldn't be 15+ tons as they are only somewhat larger and actually less bulky than a real T.rex of comparable size, but stats are what they are.
Kong wouldn't be able to hold all that mass back. Look at the 05 fight again. While he does display some amazing strength, any time the V.rex's actually tackled him he got bowled over. He relied on avoiding direct hits and using the environment as his foes lacked any grappling abilities, were on uneven terrain, were fairly slow, and not agile much at all. He also relied on set-up moves to dispatch them, such as the boulder crush and jaw breaker.
Let's say Kong tries to do what your set up states and tries to grapple the crawler's arms with his feet. First off, gonna have a real hard time given how big its hands are and the fact he's trying to hold its strongest limbs with his weakest ones. But let's say he manages to and tries. Wanna know what he didn't account for? The same tail that Ramarak/Skull Devil had that was strong enough to lift and throw a Kong even heavier than themselves several hundred yards. Prehensile tail is as good as any limp and it has way more reach than he does, with comparable agility. Damn things were able to spring forward dozens of yards at a time and launch themselves from hilltops. Kong would be fighting a foe way heavier than he is, much more durable than he is, and just as agile.
Is it impossible to win? Not necessarily, but it be a hell of a lot harder than against a V.rex. Against 3? He ain't winning that.
Monsterverse kong was also nerfed in power. I mean, he went from being able to fight showa godzilla, who can fight a three headed alien capable of destroying planets to being a baby.
He was struggling before he got lightning powers so I believe him and the 1962 kong without powers are on the same level
@@rjsblanket3024 agreed, even after the lightning bost Godzilla was still getting at him despite that small disadvantage at the time which he later overcome and used it as a power up for himself in later films. But Monsterverse Kong I believe wasn’t much stronger than the showa one by much but was a bit more tactical and faster when it came to combat
You should make a King Kong 2005 vs Monsterverse Kong but 2005 kong has to be evenly sized so it could be even. Seeing the fighting styles contrast, would be an interesting fight
2005 kong will win becaus he is more aggressive and strong and abit smart but he took 3 vex his size
I love this image of kong sitting
I tell you what, I'd stay away from both of these fricking places.
Alright so I guess one of my points got debunked lmao
It turns out with the recent leak the other creatures have grown with Kong so I was wrong when saying he'd no longer be fighting after exceeding 150ft because everything would be a breeze
Tehy grew with him, but they were still much smaller than him.
2005s King Kong Roar was much better to me as-well.. What do you think ???
I totally agree!
Maybe they didnt want kong to die. but they probably took it way seriously and made it less dangerous.
Cool,how are you?
Lol he was definitely nerfed In his most recent appearance. Smh ! The director shit on kong lol .
No electric powers and he was physically weak
@@quisisreal exactly
@@slimmkazzh5957 you expect my man to be like the hulk and fight like a ufc fighter ?
@@Tairese yes....
@@slimmkazzh5957 delusional kong fans🥴
Kong for life!!!!!!!!!!
kaijus for life!!!!!!! 😃
What is the opening music for this video called
Exactly king kong 2005 > kong skull Island
Hands down to King Kong 2005....i don't know somehow i feel more connected and satisfied with king kong 05 version....So my pick would be PJ's King Kong anyday...!!!
Same
I would like to see Kong vs Titanosaurus (toho)
Question: What is the name of the music at 4:36?
I was highly disappointed with Kong Skull Island, this is one of the main reasons why I didn't like it. 2005 Kong was a really good film, and the Kong character is way better. I felt for the 2005 Kong. As for Kong in Skull Island... I hope Godzilla kicks his ass. He was so bland and dull. I didn't feel shit for him. He always has the same faces. Grumpy and mad, always the same. 2005 Kong smiled and laughed and had lot's of emotion. I hope Kong 2017 dies because he's so bad.
They even made him bigger then Godzilla!!!
No they didn't
No they did not
0:26 skull island isn't gonna look nor be like the 05 version hell out of all the king kong materials out there from the 1933 movie to the cartoons they aren't all terrifying. They just hold some of the most dangerous predators possible. And that's what I like about this skull island it's beautiful like something out of a dream but inside holds the most nightmarish things within. Same goes for the natives they aren't gonna be savages like the 05 movie. 3:33 how is that a bad thing? 5:53 that's kinda the point kong not ready to fight bigger badder kaiju yet he has to start small. 7:13 you forgot the two jovial skullcrawlers and he beat them. Also yes kong was having trouble he's not use to fighting a big creators that's why the humans helped him to
A) keep kong alive to keep balance on skull island
B) keep the skullcrawlers from leaving
C) it shows that both human and monster can work together.
It also shows kong emotional side that he protects the innocent. 8:39 it's called build up let kong fight the small fry then work to the big guy 9:26 so what's the problem? They're trying to show kong as one of the good monsters I like that he generally a good guy anyway so how's this a problem? That's your problem dude your favouring the 05 version and not excepting that this kong is not like the 05 version it's trying to be it's own thing. And it success
While I do see what you're saying (and I'm fully aware he is still a kid in 1973), how sharp a fighter he is or how strong he is all depends on the predators surrounding him. If the island is not dangerous, Kong basically gets no experience in at all. King Kong '33 and '05 had to fight for their survival every single day of their lives, no matter where they were. And that's my overall issue with the film, the island just is not dangerous enough to be believable as Skull Island. The Iwi should have had more edge to them and have been forced to cope with such an incredibly dangerous island.
Even with Kong starting small, fighting just one smaller monster on what should be an island full of deadly kaiju makes no sense. That's saying he's just growing and occasionally fighting, it should be every day. He would be a way sharper fighter akin to King Kong 05 by the time his fight with G rolls around. And I did mention the two baby skull crawlers (8:19). Again, you just stated my very problem; Kong is not used to fighting big creatures. You start out small and grow from there, eventually you do fight bigger creatures and that is something King Kong 2005 and 33 did when they were at younger ages as well. I just think at 104 feet tall Kong was not the powerhouse he should have been, child or not.
Of course I will favor the 05 version more, it seemed to actually try with Skull Island being a dangerous place. Monsterverse's Skull Island seems like it should be Monster Island, it feels like it's from Journey to the Center of the Earth. I'm fine with him always protecting the Iwi and the innocent, he seems sentient and all, but it's also way more interesting when they fear him then the audience finds out firsthand he isn't the monster everybody makes out to be. That could have culminated in the final battle where the Iwi think they will get killed and punished by Kong, who is really there to protect them. There's no development, it's just information given to us and they do nothing with it.
Also, David, I never really asked you this but are you an avid King Kong fan? Do you prefer Godzilla over Kong drastically, or vice versa, do you love them equally, they come close but one is your favorite?
@@KingKong19100 I love both they're both awesome
He will be 400 feet tall!!
370 for me 400 is too OP
I think he’ll be way shorter than that
Kong is my favorite characters and kratos
I feel this was in your drafts posted it but RUclips said this vid is old
Man, this video has been almost two years in the making! Haha I've always wondered what you meant when you said Kong was nerfed in your 'How Kong Could Beat Godzilla' video, and now we finally got an answer. Lol
While I still love KSI and this version of Kong, you bring up a lot of valid points. This Skull Island is a lot more toned down than '05, and even the original. Now that I think about it, this island makes me think more of Mondo Island than Skull Island. Not to say I personally hate that approach, but it does have it's drawbacks. It's more beautiful than previous Skull Islands, but the lack of big creatures is kind of lame.
I think Kong's enhanced size might have something to do with it. If there were a ton of monsters over 100 ft. tall running around, I don't imagine there'd be a lot of room on the island. But if Kong were closer to his more traditional size, monsters that were more parallel to his height and weight would be more common because there'd be more space to roam. I could just be reading into things too much, though. The actual answer is probably completely different.
As for which version of Kong himself I prefer, it always changes every week haha. Even though I love gorillas on their own, I do prefer Kong having several differences from them. I love MonsterVerse Kong's bipedal nature and brown fur. Having Kong resemble a literal giant gorilla in PJ's version as opposed to being a giant gorilla-like monster leaves me conflicted. It feels like he's more related to Mighty Joe Young than he is to Kong. That said, though, I do think Kong '05 is perfect for the film he's in, and I'm glad they went with the straight up 100% gorilla design at least once, so we can have variety among the Kongs. Plus, Kong '05 has this quality about him that you can't help but love. Probably has a lot to do with his backstory, which is similar to MV Kong's but because we're shown Kong '05's backstory instead of told it, like MV Kong's case, it hits home a little more. Both Kong's are great for different reasons.
Anyway, I'll stop rambling. Haha I love your videos, man. They're visually appealing and well put together, but they make me think as well. Keep up the good work, my friend! :)
Thanks so much for the feedback brother, always appreciated! Yeah, I just think the fact that danger wasn't behind every corner took a lot out of Skull Island for me. Without danger keeping Kong fighting every day of his life, he lacks the experience and strength needed to go toe-to-toe with Godzilla, when it's a character trait he should always have!
I would have probably made the island just really big, the jagged rocks and mountains in 2005 alone seem to be over like 800 feet. I would just make the mountain very very large. as well as the trees (possibly 60-120 feet tall). It wouldn't feel as crowded as 05 but not as empty as '17, you know?
Yeah, as much as I love King Kong 2005 I always like me a Kong that is biped and brown. While my dream Kong physique would more-so resemble Congar from War of the Monsters, it would be followed up by King Kong '62, '76, then '17. Idk, I get he's a kid and all but his head-to-body ratio is so weird, he got a watermelon on his shoulders! I know his head will be smaller when he's fully grown, which definitely brings out his buffness in his body, but if he got slimmer and gained more muscle as well as longer arms and a bit of a sagital crest forming, he'd probably become my 2nd favorite design or even first, beating out the horrendous KK '62 suit! I understand what PJ was doing, but Kong is more than some big gorilla. I'll always love the design, but I do prefer when he's more of a monster rather than giant ape. In fact, Jackson said he wanted Kong to not feel like a monster, rather just misunderstood. Could have been done with another design, but to each their own, right?!
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@@KingKong19100 Yeah, I totally get what you're saying.
"He got a watermelon on his shoulders!" Hahaha you're not wrong. But like you said, I imagine he'll grow into his head. And I really hope 2020 Kong has a more defined sagittal crest. Along with getting a beefier body. Man, I can't wait until his design is officially revealed! Lol
And yeah, Congar's body proportions would be great! When I look at Congar, I see a pinnacle of physical strength and speed, which is basically what the MV Kong is all about, so it'd be perfect for him.
That's a really interesting article, btw! I knew PJ wanted to step away from the monster aspect of Kong, but this was super cool to read! Thanks for sharing it! :)
@@UltraSenseiHoots Heck yeah bro! Felt that on all accounts, especially Congar! We see MV Kong go quadruped and jump over the helicopters, I'm seriously hoping Kong goes quadruped more mid-battle with Godzilla to become even faster since now he's running with both arms and legs!
Bro the man wasn't nerfed LOL
this is the strognest version of kong though i don't think he's nerfed as far as power goes . rodan and mothra now they . they were nerfed .
I think Rodan got nerfed in the monsterverse as well
Monsterverse Rodan is actually the most powerful version because the 2004 Rodan was beaten in just a few hits
The heisei Rodan went down from a few blasts from Super mechagodzilla
And the Showa Rodan (in the original Rodan movie) went down from a few military blasts! (The one from the Show Godzilla movies really don't count because they're more goofy than serious)
@@tawain2360 Oh sorry, My mistake
@@hewziey1869 it's ok and cool profile pic
@@tawain2360 No, the Rodan from the Showa Godzilla movies is what we should have gotten. One equal to Godzilla. Instead they made him 154 feet tall, and Mothra 52 feet tall. Those 2 got nerfed as well. All to overglorify Godzilla.
MV Rodan may get alot larger if he hangs around the Big G, giving off all that extra radiation.
forums.spacebattles.com/posts/33067541/
The boulder that Kong shattered in Ramarak's face weighed, at low end;815 tons and high end; 1204 tons.
Kong's strength wasn't nerfed at all. If anything this is the second physically strongest Kong to date. Only being outdone be the King Kong who fought Godzilla. On a lb for lb basis, he outdoes even 2005 Kong(with the square cube law, if they both jumped at the same hight proportionately 2017 Kong would have to be stronger by orders of magnitude just to achieve a proportionately similar height).
He even has greater agility(just watch him jump, that's some freakish strength), precision(sniping a helicopter with a tree), and durability (those anti aircraft guns hit hard), and intelligence (he made an improvised flail/blade out of a propellor) he's the second strongest Kong there is. In literally every way.
Edit:
forums.spacebattles.com/threads/monsterverse-feats-thread.736759/post-56096875
Monsterverse Kong is also about 60 more heat resistant than a human.
forums.spacebattles.com/threads/monsterverse-feats-thread.736759/post-56126674
Calc on how strong Kong would have to be to break out of the chains on the ship.
Basically, he exerted about 3,300 tons of strength. Just for reference he weighs about 154 tons.
However I get your point on Skull Island being nerfed as in, there's not much that can credibly threaten Kong's life. While I may like 2017's Skull Island better, 2005's did seem more dangerous, at least to humans.
That boulder was corrected to weigh around 415 tons, which is still impressive, but King Kong in 2005 being able to throw a heavier opponent one handed is more impressive if you were to scale them up proportionately. King Kong 2005 seemed to be proportionately stronger. But regardless, we both do use that boulder argument which is indeed valid.This would mean that, by 2020/2021, if Kong weighed even 30,000 tons, Kong is SWINGING and FLIPPING Godzilla without a problem. That's only if he has a fraction of the proportional strength he possessed as a kid. And apparently, according to Sayaka, Kong can't lift or swing Godzilla because Godzilla is "far too heavy". That means either Kong weighs like 5,000 tons (which would make NO sense at all), or they simply nerfed adult Kong's proportional strength. But to go back to the main topic, no, King Kong 2005 had more impressive strength proportionately.
Kong in the MV is a stiff jumper. I mean, he can jump very high, but I doubt he can pull off the acrobatics King Kong 2005 did in New York when he was jumping and swinging in that construction building. King Kong also outmaneuvered V-Rexes who were going to attack him, so he's more flexible as well. V-Rexes have smaller ribcages built for more flexibility, so the fact that King Kong can outmaneuver them is insane! This Kong does have some good precision though, and is indeed very smart.
Kong weighs 158 tons, if he can exert 3,300 tons of strength to break free from those chains. That means he can exert around 21.2x times his weight in tons of strength. This means if he weighed say 70,000 tons, he would be able to easily exert 1,484,000 tons of strength. That's in the millions. Even if he weighed a fraction of that weight, like an illogistical 20,000 tons, he's still able to exert 424,000 tons of strength. So unless his strength gets nerfed, Kong is stronger than Godzilla. But when it comes to in combat with monsters, King Kong looked physically stronger with lifting heavier opponents. But I suppose not anymore if Kong actually was able to exert that amount of weight!
@@KingKong19100 When was that boulder's weight downsized? I frequent those forums and I can't recall anyone redoing the calculation and getting different results. Did you find that weight somewhere else? If so, I'd like to see the math, while I may not be on par with some top calculators on that site(couldn't think of anything else to call them) I could point out any holes in any equations.
Also, I'd like to point out that King Kong 2005 throwing the V Rex isn't as impressive as you make it sound(I mean no malice in that statement, just want to clear something up).
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He didn't do it easily at all. He strains a bit while also putting his back into it. He even employ's a lifting technique that explicitly puts a large portion of the body's strength behind his arm:
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Most of the distance the V Rex goes is due to the downward slope that King Kong threw it down. If the ground had been a horizontal plane, than the V Rex wouldn't have gone far at all. It would be more accurate to call that a slam than a throw. Still impressive that he can lift a creature that looks to be about 1.5 times his weight, but it was with some strain.
Also, even if the down sized boulder weight is accurate, that still doesn't disprove Kong 2017 being stronger on a lb for lb basis. He slammed a much more concentrated weight like a basketball, said weight out weighed him 2.96 times with the weight that you claimed, 5.29 times on the low end of the posted calc, and 7.818182 times on the high end. He casually exerted more force lb for lb than King Kong 2005 did with strain(just note, none of this takes into account how hard he had to slam that boulder to shatter it, something that the calc take into account, i just didn't highlight that because the weight alone looked impressive enough).
The chains that you cited as well also prove how much stronger Kong 2017 is than King Kong 2005 on a lb for lb basis.
When it comes to agility, Kong 2017 is a better jumper than King Kong 2005. However King Kong 2005 does have better fine motor skills. He does seem to be better at maneuvering in jungle like areas (which the construction sight did resemble to an extent). He may be a better climber and more maneuverable but he isn't more agile.
As for the strength of Godzilla and Kong in comparison, your underestimating Kaiju strength as a whole. Strength outputs going into the 100,000s of tons are nothing that Godzilla is unfamiliar with. Neither is the millions of tons range. Even Showa Era Godzilla has accomplished feats of strength up there in the millions without straining:
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Throwing Mecha Godzilla (40,00 tons) thousand of meters at a horizontal angle and still having him go far would require strength easily in the high end millions of tons. Heisei Godzilla is commonly regarded as being a physical brute among Kaiju, and he's the same beast who fractured tectonic plates with enough force to blow an entrance into the mantle and cause earthquakes. Just saying that Kong exerting strength on that level doesn't put him above other Kaiju, as Kaiju ar not unfamiliar to this.
As for Legendary Godzilla, he isn't at all a stranger to that level of strength. The Female Muto who he overpowered had the strength to break through a mountain without the benefit of a running start. Godzilla himself shook the entire Golden Gate Bridge (887,000 tons) by lightly tugging on the support wire with one hand.
Than there's King Ghidorah, Godzilla's equal in strength(their charge resulted in a stalemate and a shockwave that spanned the city). King Ghidorah has on two occasions leaped hundreds of meters. Remember the square cube law and his weight(141,056 tons) for a sense of how freakishly strong he'd have to be to do this, along with how strong Godzilla would have to be to match him.
It's not just Godzilla and Ghidorah either, Rodan launched his 39,043 ton weight skyward with a single wing beat. Said wing beat carried the side effect of a shockwave/wind pressure comparable to a thermonuclear detonation. He did that casually and yet Mothra matched him in a wrestling match and King Ghidorah casually overpowered him.
Muto Prime threw Godzilla like a toy with one hand and yet when they wrestled, Godzilla matched him in strength. Godzilla even got the chance to throw Muto Prime as well. There is also the time Godzilla leaped hundreds of meters. And before someone says something Godzilla: Awakening was confirmed relevant and canon to the Monsterverse in a comic con. The timeline inconsistencies can be ignored.
When it comes down to strength Godzilla if stronger than Kong even on a lb for lb basis. Now Kong's strength could go up proportionately just like his durability will(it has to in order for there to be a fight at all) to match Godzilla. Now if I was the director and had to pick one of them to be physically stronger it would be Godzilla, with the strength difference being at most moderate and at least slight. I would more likely have them be equal in brute strength with Kong being able to look Godzilla in the eye as so it makes sense. As for Kong throwing Godzilla, I never denied that. Infact, I would be disappointed of Kong doesn't judo throw/slam Godzilla at one point of the fight.
I'd also like to see Kong piss off Godzilla and he just goes full blown Deviljho:
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Anyway, I would like to see a good fair fight, with Godzilla emerging the victor(I'm a Godzilla fan, of course I would.) but don't down play Godzilla.
Also, you did say that you'd make a video about how Kong would be able to stand up to Godzilla's Atomic Breath. I'd like to see that and discuss the topic in the comments.
@@gojifacepalm3165 So I'm pretty sure I was surfing that forum and saw him make the correction that the boulder was actually 500 tons. I can try to look for it, but regardless, Kong lifted anywhere from 5x his body weight to 10x+ it. Very impressive. It would be interesting to get calculations on the boulder King Kong 2005 lifts with one arm over his head, because that may be around 3-5x his weight as well.
I can understand why King Kong was struggling since he had two other creatures on him and he had to protect Ann. I'm sure with two arms and Ann set down he could throw the V-Rex better. Kong throws Ramarak quite easy but Ramarak weighs less and Kong had both his arms available while King Kong didn't. Now you do point out King Kong did struggle, and yeah King Kong weighs 8 tons while the V-Rex weighs around 16 tons from what I read. So I can understand why he's struggling when it is twice his own weight and he is lifting it with one arm.
The reason I wouldn't call that a slam is not only does he lift the V-Rex into the air, but when he does end up throwing the V-Rex it gets a lot of air time for a throw. While the slope does help like you said, the fact that Kong was able to do it is still impressive to me. But fair points.
Sorry if it seems like I'm downplaying Godzilla, I'll address that later in this comment. So while Godzilla shaking the GGB is impressive, I wouldn't say he was shaking that entire mass. The whole bridge may weigh around that, but Godzilla was only shaking a small fraction that I assume any monster that size could shake. He was lightly tugging on it, but that part of the bridge was higher up and yeah, considering it's a bridge, I'm not surprised Godzilla was able to both shake it and break through it. Still impressive, but like I said, I don't doubt a fully grown Kong or Rodan or Ghidorah couldn't do it either. I think Ghidorah was able to stop Godzilla in the charge up due to his weight. When it came to strength, Ghidorah in his base form still instantly got taken control of by Godzilla right after the charge ups. Ghidorah gets no successful physical hits in during the arctic battle and only had his beams as effective weapons, and in the Boston battle his only effective physical attack is the triple bite chokeslam which literally got brushed off by Godzilla. Ghidorah with the powerup seemed more deadly, but Ghidorah was not able to rival Godzilla at all until his powerup.
The Muto Prime and Godzilla battle is impressive. I don't know how much MP weighs since no given weight was present, but I would assume since Female Muto was 70,000 tons and had more mass, that Muto Prime would be at least around 95,000-100,000 tons while Godzilla was his 90,000 2014 weight. So yeah, a Godzilla who wasn't exhausted like in the G14 film is very strong, being able to lift and throw a monster that is possibly heavier than he is over his head. But I don't know if that can equate to Kong, who exerted that insane weight while he was only 158 tons. I think that is proportionately one of the greatest feats in the Monsterverse when it comes to strength.
Rodan being able to fly and carry his weight doesn't impress me considering all he is doing is flying. People were over glorifying King Ghidorah saying "He's strong enough to terraform the earth" when REALLY all he was doing was flying, the earth was just reacting to his insane size and the atmosphere was getting torn up as a result of his size. He isn't meant to be on earth since he's an alien, so naturally the sky would react differently to Ghidorah than to monsters like Rodan. You see what I mean? People are overglorifying Ghidorah just flying, I believe you may be doing the same with Rodan. I mean him being able to propel himself that high into the air with a single wing flap shows how strong his wings are, so that is a good point, but I don't think that or Godzilla throwing MP over his head rivals Kong's chain feat.
I do like that we can agree on what we wanna see for the strength and fight. I think that since we know a fully grown Kong can fight a fully grown Godzilla, that the fight we get will be very good and there won't be any downplaying. But kid Kong must get nerfed proportionate strength wise when it comes to Godzilla's strength.
I would also like Godzilla to win but barely, by the skin of his teeth. Godzilla wins the fight, Kong wins the night. Now I know it seems like I was downplaying Godzilla, but in reality I just don't want people to overglorify him in the MV. I think Ghidorah was very weak (Muto Prime wasn't weak and I think HE is the toughest alpha easy), and A LOT of people downplay Kong which is why I feel the need to either try and correct people and arguments like "gHidroah strong enough to TerrAform EartH!!" or "kONg getS onE sHottEd". It definitely comes off as me downplaying Godzilla, and hell maybe that's what I'm doing, I don't intend for that. I do love Godzilla and I don't mean to downplay him, I just think everyone downplaying Kong is either biased or misinformed/uninformed, so those corrections may come off as biased or downplaying. Sorry about that buddy. I should also take the time to say thank you for actually being a nice debater and being polite. I get so much hate because I do tend to lose my cool when it comes to people who keep using the same points I had already counter-argued which they do not refute, or if they just insult the monster I'm debating for because of bias. The fact that I chose to side with Kong is pretty controversial and my channel does suffer for it, but I don't really care, I just make the videos I want and wanna politely get my viewpoint across the board. You're a really nice debater and seem like an all around cool person, so I just wanted to say thank you for that!
And yes, that video will be coming up very soon. I'm actually going to just take the time and gather all a bunch of evidence, and then I will come through with the video. Originally was not going to make it, but since GvK got delayed I decided I should. So yeah, it should be coming within the next month or two!
KingKong19100 Also it’s not forget that we see Godzilla physically throwing ghidorah around specifically after their initial clash in Boston we cut to the Argo and we see through the window briefly that Godzilla throws/shove ghidorah several blocks away from him this is impressive considering that ghidorah weighs 141,056 tons and Godzilla looks like he didn’t put that much effort into doing that well other than that love your videos and keep up the great work
@@dianajimenez4406 Super-charged Godzilla
Saying that kobg getting his ass handed to him by one skullcrawler is a nerf on his strengths makes no sense. Original kong only fought 1 trex. And besides. Like said. Hes still growing. Hes a child. Theyre obviously not going to do flips and twirls and cartwheel circles around the skullcrawlers. No hes a giant child ape. Aka. Smashy smashy until they no longer move and do whatever you can come up with to make that happen and thats the strat
Because Ramarak was smaller, weighed less, and Kong still got whooped. King Kong took a T-Rex bigger and heavier than he and won. Without having to get saved twice.
@@KingKong19100 but thats the thing. Kong never did any of that as a child. You build up to it. Its like a king kong origin movie almost. Kong skull island states hes just a kid. So he's obviously not going to be the badass fighter any of the other kongs are yet. I think in gvk he's going to be pulling all of his tricks and fighting way more close to how he used to.
Alright sonim not trying to start a fight but! King Kong Usually dies in his movies by modern mankind or whatever but in the Monsterverse he lives and i know its for GVK but the thing is why does he die when skull island is crazy deadly and he knows how to kick butt and all but lives when he has like you said a more tame skull island idk just werid to think about don't get me wrong I am happy he didn't die for once in one of his movies again and I am happy they used a different story for once but anyway I like both king kong and godzilla both amazing monsters!
Nah, he dies in films that do not have to do with his kaiju story. As a kaiju and as a character, he did kind of undergo a few nerfs.
@@KingKong19100 that make more sense but to be honest when legendary made the Announcement that they would be fighting i was alittle disappointed because it made feel like they could have pick a better monster not saying king kong is a bad opponent it just didn't make much sense to me
@@Patrickjack9495 I think he is one of the best opponents mainstream audiences could see fight Godzilla, plus the last battle we got was like 60 years ago, both monsters have grown over the years and I think it would be awesome seeing them battle it out again! But I understand where you're coming from.
Thank you for understanding but with all this said I am excited for this movie and I dont care who wins as long no one dies and they become friends like iron man and captain America
I obviously agree and peter jackson kong movie had the most dangerous island and in my opinion 2005 versoin was better and there was more dangrouse creaters and I left like I came out of a adventurer.
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You could make the argument that kong at a young age had to deal with all these creatures and by the time skull island came around he got so big that no one wants to mess with him
Buuuut...you could also say that Kong does not have the experience or advantages he usually has because there is no danger at every corner for him, just way way smaller enemies and nothing more. That results in a lesser experienced and weaker Kong as opposed to one who would be way sharper of a fighter if danger WERE at every corner!
How is NERFED to be honest his Kong is more durable than the others Plus there are a lot of unused concept designs from Kong skull island they could’ve made a theory I mean I don’t have anything against the monster verse films but I really don’t care about I’ll say do some of it
You mean to tell me that a creature called a skull crawler doesn't fit well as a kaiju on skull island?????
It's like the only monster that does. Log insects, that weird tiger from the novel, and magma turtles don't to me. Instead of some better more fanatical kaiju, we got weird megafauna.
They kind of nerfed him in 2005 & in Skull Island, but he was still a beast. Still a very powerful character physically and metaphorically. GVK will prove Monsterverse Kong to be one of the strongest Kongs yet. I guarantee it.
2005 is the reason people think kong would beat Godzilla
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Sorry but there is a lot of problems with your video. Lets see.
1:How can an ape about 20 to 25 feet tall be stronger than an 103 feet tall ape. Also how could 2005 Kong beat easily a normal sized Skull crawler who are about 40 feet tall and 90 feet long.
2: You can not compare an island that we know all the creatures inhabiting it with one that we probably know very few of the those creatures. Also i am not saying that 2005 skull island is not deadly(for humans at least) but how can those creatures compare to ants bigger than humans, crocodile like creatures twice the size of a V-rex, the equivalent to the Kraken, the bats about the same size as the bats from 2005 but shoot lighting, the raptor like death jackals a third bigger than Venatosaurs and the hourd of thousands of two legged white headed lizards from hell that wiped out a hole species of Kongs much bigger, stronger and from what we see on the 2017 movie smarter. The 2005 creatures are extinct and extant actually creatures if they had thousands and millions if years to evolve. The creatures from the 2017 movie are "monsters" with them reaching titan status. The only reason things seem peaceful in the 2017 movie is because Kong is actively keeping things in check mostly by existing and preventing the Skull crawlers from rising. And about the environment of the island from 2017 we don't know everything about it because we have not seen it or have not been told about it yet. Plus most creatures there have evolved so much to a specific biome they don't have to leave it and get in danger or like Kong they are so big they don't care.
3: Monsterverse Kong had to fend for himself from his first day of life. His young life to our knowledge was certainly harder than 2005 's Kong.
And 4: How is 2005 Kong a better fighter than Monsterverse Kong when 2017 Kong is stronger just because of his size, more strategic,more quick thinking and obviously smarter since he can use and craft tools.
Exactly
If you make peter Jackson's Kong 104 feet tall he will wipe the floor with them he is so aggressive strong and experienced
@@alderlopezcastro4928 yeah maybe but that isn't reality, I don't think 2005 kong could even stand up to skull crawlers because it's one thing for kong 2005 to fight 3 dinosaurs at the same time, but then again he was still struggling, and skull crawlers are bigger faster stronger and better than 2005 kong in almost every aspect so I think your lying to yourself when you say that 2005 kong would beat the skull crawlers even if he was as big as they were.
@@luffydpirate9518 I understand what your saying but 2005s kong struggled since he was one handed he has ann in one hand and kong from 2017s kong skull island also struggled agiants the skull crawlers but I also think Peter jacksons kong can defeat a skull crawler because he fights aggresive
@@alderlopezcastro4928 I understand that he was holding Anne but if we wanted to get realistic a overgrown monkey could not beat 3 dinosaurs that are bigger and stronger even without holding someone. it just doesn't add up. And about pj kong being able to beat skull crawlers cause he is aggressive, that doesn't make sense. Mv kong not only fought aggressive but he fought strategically and was creative enough to craft something into a weapon to work with what he got. Pj kong isn't that smart like the other animals on skull island
Him : MoNSterVErSe nERFED KOnG!Monsteverse : Makes Kong as big as the tower kong climbs in the original kong films.
You just didn't watch the video lmfao
People talking about you didn't watch the video as if the video made any good arguments.🤣
@@rightguy200000 Dude, the guy who commented the thing above said that King Kong 19100 says that Kong got nerfed in terms of strength, powers or size, which clearly means he didn't watch the video. King Kong 19100 was referring to a nerf in terms of how dangerous he seems or how badass is his home, etc. I am not saying what he says is correct, but it is a matter of looking even at the beginning of the video to know what King Kong 19100 is actually referring with "Monsterverse nerfed Kong".
@@SlenderLuchito You don't even need to get a quarter of the way though the video before the dude's hyping up 2005 Skull Island and downplaying Monsterverse Skull Island. A single skull crawler or mother spider would literally destroy anything from 2005 yet here he is acting like 2005 Kong could take one out easily.
@@rightguy200000 I think he was referring to how dangerous are the creatures in both island in humans point of view, and how dangerous they are for each Kong point of view, and how fighting them can "train him". Or something, I don't know, I completely forgot that.
Still, the guy who commented above said that this guy said Kong was nerfed in terms of size (as that comment mainly states), when he could've just watched even the beginning of the video to see that King Kong 19100 wasn't referring that Kong got nerfed in terms of size.
It's a fact
So... what you're saying is that the Monsterverse Skull Island fauna (walking mosasaurs, tree bugs, bats with lightning breath) are bland but plain dinosaurs aren't? Also, the humans were allegedly stranded on the island since WW2. Of course, they wouldn't be as violent as they were in the other movies.
The "multiple kaiju" concept makes Kong feel less special and takes away from the awe. Also, the Skullcrawler was winning because of ability, not size. If your assumptions were applied to the Toho universe, Godzilla would use Mothra as a punching bag every single time they fought.
Finally, this Skull Island is more based on the Toho films so the 2005 comparison doesn't really work.
The mega fauna on the island, asides from the Death Jackals and Swamp Locusts, are incredibly bland to me. The Iwi people were on the island for thousands of years as well. But the dangers of the island forced the 2005 natives to become savages.
The multiple kaiju doesn't take away from the awe, if anything it shows he's more powerful. It's a step down from 2005, which shows Kong fights for survival. MV Kong fights occasionally, the entire island isn't against him, but it is in 05 and 33. Skull Crawler didn't win the first time it shoved Kong's head into the ground, they was straight up raw strength. Mothra was just as strong, if not stronger, then Godzilla.
This Skull Island is based on realism, but it doesn't work when it comes to Skull Island. Instead of kaiju as big and bigger then Kong, we got bland megafauna. It was a missed opportunity and the fact that the island isn't populated with any creatures that threaten Kong besides the Skull Crawlers means Kong has nothing to do besides occasionally fight the baby ones.
@@KingKong19100 I guess we have different definitions of bland, then.
Of course, Mothra is stronger than Godzilla. You were saying that size equals strength and I was using Mothra as an example to prove that wrong.
@@cryptidliker5294 Mothra was way bigger then Godzilla, or at least big enough to fight him. That's why she was as strong and stronger in some cases. KOTM Mothra, who is 52 feet tall, isn't shit compared to Godzilla in the same film. She's too small and weak to do anything to creatures like Godzilla, proving my point. Size DOES matter in a kaiju fight.
KingKong19100 1st gen Showa Mothra is an exception. The others are smaller, with KOTM Mothra being the smallest. Even if size does matter, a 5 meter difference between Kong and MacArthur making Kong weak because he struggled sounds like something a hardcore Godzilla fan would say to prove that Kong would get knocked around with no effort.
@@cryptidliker5294 Except it's not a 5 meter difference, Mothra and Rodan have like 50+ meter differences. Size matters, you think Kong at 250 feet would fair better at fighting Godzilla than Kong at 350 feet? No, huge differences that negate each creature's main physical attributes and advantages are in place. It results in a fight that's not fair.
He's gonna be 400 feet tall.
Oh, I know. Trust me, back in the day when everyone was saying he wouldn't be bigger than 200 feet tall, I was the one finding evidence and making the claim he would be nearly Godzilla sized. And as it turns out, I was right! This was way before KOTM came out, sometime after K:SI was released!
I disagree with the monsterverse nerfing kong if anything they boosted him so much he isn’t even the same character in my eyes I prefer kong when he is fighting dinosaurs and weird and cool looking creatures not going up against godzilla that’s what I loved about both is they had different monster style movies Godzilla being more about destruction and monster battles while kings movies tells a story about a strong love that got the hero killed I’m just not a fan of kong in the new movies that’s my opinion you can like the kong from the new movies I’m just not a fan of him and Godzilla I like a lot since I grew up with his character but there is flaws in his monsterverse design as well but I see more flaws in kings design then I do Godzilla it might just be me but I like the design of Godzilla but my problem with him is he dosnt ever attack humans man the Godzilla Ik always f##cked humans up when they stepped out of line that’s why I’m happy that he’s finally putting humans somewhat in there place here in gvk. On one of your latest videos about Godzilla being a bad alpha i don’t think he has been that bad he has let humans slide to much but he has kept the Titans in check pretty well and could of ended kong ghidoriah in the water if the stupid humans wouldn’t have interfered with the oxygen destroyer it think the reason Godzilla’s letting them slide is because he knows there is some good humans out there like ren but what has pushed him to his limits is when they started building mechagodzilla and questioning Godzilla’s authority that’s what’s pissing Godzilla off he saying I’ve let y’all slide for to long I’ve given you chances even when you crossed the line but now that your making something more destructive to me and the other Titans I’m going to have to finally put y’all in line .that’s what’s going through Godzilla’s head I think he loves humans for rens sacrifice and dosnt want to kill good humans unless he has to see what I’m saying and kong would be a good hollow earth alpha I just don’t really see him as the guarded of the earth I just don’t think he would be able to move and get through as quick as Godzilla cause Godzilla can swim faster but kong is a great alpha and a formentable for to Godzilla .
this kong is unique and has its on story unlike the others that have him fall in love and die at the end.
This Kong's physical strength was definitely nerfed, as well as his experience. He is more intelligent than the OG Kong, however, Kong was only occasionally fighting other monsters, who are much smaller than him. The OG was constantly fighting other monsters who were almost twice his size. Where this Kong almost lost to a skull crawler and a bat that are smaller than him. His punches barley affected Godzilla where in the OG King Kong vs Godzilla, his punches severely hurt Godzilla, even before Kong was struck with lightning. The 2005 version of King Kong fought three dinosaurs his size at the same time and beat them with mild difficulty. This Kong almost lost to a lizard that's smaller than him. The mire squid is just straight up weak. The mire squid is the only monster that Kong defeated without any human help. And the squid is physical weak.
How is the monsterverse less creative when all the peter jacksons skull island has are basically big bugs and dinosaurs and a cool looking piranha. At least skull island actually put imagination into their creature designs. Not making them look like what we already see in other films. Tbh Peter jacksons is way more generic. You see more natives on islands being the badguys in most films while in skull Island theyre peaceful. And it just shows that not everything on skull Island has to want to rip your head off. Kong skull island just shows beauty can be in the center of chaos
Jackson stuck with the original creatures of the classic story while providing his own spin on it. Log insect seems more boring and generic then the V-Rexes or Styracosaurus. Fair enough on that last point, my only issue is that there is not enough chaos on the island. This results in a Kong that just lives on his island for leisure and not fighting monsters bigger than he is every day. That is bound to result in being less of a sharpened fighter by 2021.
The thing is though the monsterverse skullisland is dangerous but since the monsterverse kong is so huge even as child their is nothing strong enough to challenge him. Skullisland in the monsterverse is still very dangerous to humans as of the many predators on the island and remember only like six people escaped the island which is literally less then half of what they started with. The reason 05 feels more threatening is because Kong is smaller and it feels more personal. In terms Kong I argue so far due to his size and strength as of Kong skullisland is the second strongest version of Kong to date only being surpassed by the toho version of kong that appeared in king kong vs godzilla. So no Kong not nerf if anything he's stronger.
Exactly, and that first thing you said is a huge problem. No matter what, Kong should never be the biggest thing on Skull Island. He can be the king of it because he is so deadly and wins, but he needs to earn it. MV Kong hans't earned anything.
Kong killed most the people to begin with, only like four people died to actual creatures. Compared to the 17 that died on 2005's island.
He is not the second strongest Kong, maybe like the fourth one but not second.
Kong 05 feels more threatening because he IS. That's why. Not because he's smaller and it feels more personal (???), he was a tenacious and brutal fighter who used his wit and strength and speed all at once. I doubt MV Kong can do that. He is not stronger. That is a complete lie. He was barely managed to lift Ramarak whilst 2005 tossed a V-Rex over his head with one arm, V-Rexes weigh more than Kong did (Kong was 8 tons, V-Rexes were 15 tons). He did it with one arm and no grip, meaning he can easily lift four times that.
@@KingKong19100 in terms of feats and size and power skullisland Kong way surpasses his 05 counterpart. 05 at best is only 25 maybe 43 feel tall which is still way smaller then skullisland Kong who is 107 feet tall. You can argue 05 is possibly more skilled but he's not stronger. Think of it like this batman is more skilled then superman but that doesn't make batman stronger
@@KingKong19100 also 05 got killed by bullets where as skullisland Kong tank no problem with it annoying him at best. Yes skullisland Kong power surpasses his 05 counterpart by a huge margin. I will also argue skullisland Kong is possibly just as intelligent if not more so.
@@KingKong19100 also monsterverse Kong did earn his title after finally beating the big skullcrawler which he barely managed to win
@@KingKong19100 one last thing I'm tearing down is just because skullisland Kong doesn't feel as threatening doesn't make him any weaker. Spiderman doesn't threating when you look at him but then you realize this is the guy who can lift train
Also just because he's not fighting as often doesn't make him any less capable of a fighter as any kajiu. The monsterverse godzilla and rodan take naps for over millions and years and their both just as skilled. Kong also uses his intelligence a lot during his fight with the big skullcrawlers because if he didn't he probably would have lost. I think their both just as skilled. One last point no dinosaurs on the island due to the director not wanting to be compared to Jurassic world
Godzilla was not as skilled as he was in KOTM. It just is not fair to take away the main attribute of strength when it comes to fighting kaiju one on one, and Kong still grew up on Skull Island so he should have taken on at least two Ramarak-sized Skull Crawlers. There could have been more kaiju-esce creatures instead of dinosaurs, kaiju-dinosaur hybrids that are actually threatening. Not too small to fight Kong.
@@KingKong19100 Kong skills are his intellect and strength. You don't need to fight all time to be a good brawler. Also kong barely beat the first one fighting two more and he would probably be dead. what are you talking about godzilla is plenty skilled in kotm
@@shayscruggs7829 excacly King kong 2005 is more aggressive experienced and better fighter since he can use a better environment to move around.
Bet kong 2017 cant take on 3 skull crawlers with one hand
I dont understand, This is his biggest incarnation yet in the franchise. He also did a pretty good fight against Godzilla.
Watch the video
Yes this is the biggest, but Kong being on this scale should be MUCH stronger. Plus, Godzilla was almost immediately bouncing back from almost all of Kong's hits. Godzilla almost completely stomped Kong in round 1 and 3. Round two was just Godzilla tanking all of Kong's hits. The OG King Kong vs Godzilla is a much better movie.
Godzilla would destroy kong.
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@@infiniteapex8762 You are both cap.
@@KingKong19100 both cap it would be like a 50/50
Nerf him? But why?
for once can you say something good about the movies
I’m a fan of godzilla and i am supposed to be happy, but no. Bruh he got nerfed? Why lol. If hes big nerfed, the movie will be boring af mainly cause it’s such a quick fight.
bruh, they made kong turn into a giant 350+ feet monster who could go up against godzilla from a 25 feet building hopping ape. the hell do you want?
Seems like they loved taking out all of the aspects that make Kong's character much more experienced, or not making him live up to his full potential like fighting every single day many different creatures. I wasn't talking about his size or his durability, rather his character that fights every single day of his life (fighting creatures larger than him and heavier than him) and also his combat feats are quite poor in comparison to other Kongs proportionately.
@@KingKong19100 then nerfing isn't the right word here. you might say toned down or as you put other monsterverse monsters ruined or something. he in his teenage years is the 2nd strongest kong and if he's comparable to godzilla then the strongest version of kong.
@@diamond_dude1063 I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. Nerfing an aspect of a character makes them weaker. This Kong is strong only because of how large he is. King Kong (2005) was *WAY* stronger, proportionately speaking. Honestly, even 1933 and the animated Kong are way stronger proportionately speaking. MV Kong was pretty weak for a kaiju. Unless you actually go in and break down his feats (without actually highballing).
@@KingKong19100 ok.
@@diamond_dude1063 Okay man! :)
How could the 05 Kong kill skull crawlers. Considering 05 kong died to inferior machine guns vs the ones on Vietnam era helicopters which only made monsterverse Kong bleed. And Ramarak was able to tank rounds from a Mustang’s gun that was which pack a bigger punch then those of a Curtiss F8C which killed Kong where the Vrex could not. If rammark was fighting Vrex’s of similar size they’d loose very quickly.
Monsterverse Kong didn't bleed from the machine guns.
Skull Crawlers can survive lava and are super durable against things like bullets and whatnot, but when it comes to another monster who is just as agile-if not more agile, and is significantly way stronger and smarter. I guarantee a scaled up King Kong 2005 would destroy Ramarak.
KingKong19100 if you scale up 05 Kong unless there you can show a full equation of durability there is no way that is assured. It is how shown that the monsterverse skull island has an objectively stronger group of creatures. And considering we will be getting more creatures like Camatoz reaffirms this.
Also according to official stats from 33 and subsequent material Kong is taller then the meat eater fulling standing up. But as for weight we don’t know as kong has no official weight
@@Zimzilla99 If you were to scale King Kong 2005 up to Kong's height, bullets would simply bounce off him. When you scale him up, his weight, durability, strength, speed, everything is effected. That's what scaling is.
Official stats do not matter to me. King Kong was never 50 feet in that film other than the shots of him climbing the Empire State Building. No matter the stats, the meat eater was clearly taller in the scene against 18/24 foot King Kong
KingKong19100 except there is no objective guarantee he would be stronger faster more durable etc.
there literally tons of examples of bigger incarnation of characters that are weaker then smaller incarnation I could provide multiple examples to.
To provide a kong example, the De Laurenttis Kong has a consistent size larger then the 05 Kong but is just as weak if not weaker then the smaller 05 kong.
“Official states don’t matter to me” so you argue based on head canon ok....
Also 33 is either hunching over, the majority of the fight and the times he stands up straight he’s the same height.
@@Zimzilla99 What my point is that King Kong, as a character, has gotten stronger over the years. 2005 was his most recent incarnation before 2017, and he was immensely strong proportionately. As a character, King Kong has always displayed immense strength since his early days, so to take that away is very much a nerf in my eyes.
I'm not arguing head canon, I'm arguing based on what I see in the film, as well as other stats confirming his 18 foot Skull Island height and 24 foot New York height. And no, even with a straight back, Kong is in no way as big or bigger than the meat eater.
I disagree I think 2005 kong movie was incredible overrated.
And that is where I take a HARD disagree. If anything, it's the other way around! MV Kong is overrated and KK '05 is insanely underrated.
@@KingKong19100 nah nobody uses monsterverse kong to trash the over sized gorilla.
And the original king was more of a ape monster then a giant gorilla
@@anthonydouglas8060 Better to get every other thing right then to have a movie where you don't get everything right (including Kong)
@@KingKong19100 the original king only had the t Rex nothing else from that 2005 movie . And the title character is pretty damn important.
Nope this is actually the strongest kong
Well he is the biggest Kong, which makes him the strongest. But if the OG Kong was put on Godzilla's scale, along with his island and the creatures in it, he would be MUCH stronger.