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Damn, I never thought about it like that. A quick path to virtue. It goes in line with the instant gratification culture we have. Damn Mr Peterson........ Insightful.
Lol in recent days, the Museum of African-American History and Culture put out an exhibit, on their website, that says delayed gratification, hard-work, and individualism are products of “whiteness,” and should be rejected by persons of color. Should be an interesting couple of years ahead of us... (:
@@lorentacla9740 I just want to confirm this and ask you... Is what you just said even remotely true? That _delayed gratification, hard-work, and individualism are products of "whiteness" and should be rejected by persons of color_ was actually an idea expressed and associated with a cultural exhibit?
It's actually worse than that. Instant gratification as far as virtue signaling but moreover, it's become a socially acceptable avenue to release pent up personal frustrations and aggressions without any fear of social backlash from the masses. You can just get comfortably lost in the crowd and commit acts of violence and destruction with relative assurance that you won't even suffer legal consequences.
So true! Have you ever seen reporters interview protesters? They can't even articulate what they are protesting about. Also, they are dumbfounded when confronted by the facts. It's crazy...
Joe misunderstands Jordan’s initial statement. Jordan is characterizing the incentives that lead to activist behavior, not the self conscious justification an activist uses to explain themselves. It is not that activists secretly don’t care about saving the world, they really do care (most anyway), but it’s easy convince yourself that protesting qualifies as saving the world because protesting doesn’t require much work and it’s socially validating, whereas the alternative of actually saving the world, or holding yourself to high moral standards, is quite difficult and daunting. Just like a person who can’t lose weight will drink diet soda, but remain sedentary, or “reward” themselves too often, undoing any progress they’ve made. The point is that your own mind is capable of pulling a fast one on you. If you decide to do something that conflicts with your habitual behavior, your mind will conspire to keep things working as usual. One way is to give you false victories, so that you can keep all your bad habits but make you feel as if you’ve satisfied your will to change at the same time. A protestor wants to change the world, but they usually don’t have the skill to do anything but express discontent, so their mind convinced them that this does the trick anyway, and they get to carry on with their unproductive lifestyle, while telling themselves that they are fighting for freedom and justice.
A very brilliant statement. As I read your words, I remembered a few people complaining about why the world doesn't have electric airplanes yet, because according to them jets pollute motherloads (which is true). I will take them seriously if: 1) they stop taking further flights altogether. 2) they start working on their careers centred on building electrically propelled aircraft (by which they will realise why humans don't have them now)
I was going to slag you about getting your own damned podcast...then i finished reading your post... Well said. You actually should get your own podcast
Ryan Gen Well, I don’t necessarily think a comment section is the best platform for trying to break down Marx’s terms but when you start talking about “false consciousness” and “grounded reality”, it is immediately apparent that there is such a broad spectrum these kind of concepts can encompass that you can hardly have the conversation without it turning into the shit you see out in the streets today. The way I see it, we struggle in general to define ideas like “consciousness” and “reality”, now we are going to follow an ideology that doubles down on how these things are defined by large groups or populations. I find it to be very misleading. Sure, Marx wasn’t completely wrong that people fall into subordinate modes of consciousness and end up being ruled by ideas they are fed from, and exploited with, from those with money and power, still, it isn’t like you can just form mobs of people to oppose the “bourgeoisie” as if it going to accomplish anything better. Look at history, look at what’s happening today. Marx wasn’t necessarily wrong in concept, but in reality his concepts, when put into action, are far worse than anything that is already happening. It’s unfortunate but true. When it comes down to it, Marxism put into action has far worse consequences than its opposite. In fact, I would argue that it breeds the same thing it is supposed to be against orders of magnitude. That’s why I called it word salad, because it is easy to make it sound really good but terms like “grounded reality” and “material realism” don’t mean shit when you actually have to be able to apply the concept to the real world. Edit: apologies if sentence structure leaves a bit to be desired. It’s 1 am on a Friday and I’ve had a few cocktails. 🤷♂️
Minimalism These terms are just as manipulative as the oppressors they are supposedly against. All you have to do is look at how “Marxists” conduct themselves in the world and you’ll know all you need to know. I don’t care if Engels himself made up the term “false consciousness”, It’s a means of manipulating the working class people into action for the purpose of overthrowing government. I don’t give a shit about what the ideology says, I give a shit about what it does. Historically, their track record speaks for itself. Marxism spurs the oppressed masses into action against the oppressor ruling class and once they’ve accomplished their goals what happens? A fate worse than the one they started in is what happens. Also, grounded reality isn’t a term at all. Are you talking about grounded theory? Again, the Marxist doctrines May very well say this is what they believe, but this isn’t how they act. Unless of course they are willing to manipulate and use the gay and transsexual communities against their beliefs, in order to accomplish their goals. Then what happens to those groups that their ideology is against, which they have teamed up with, once the goal is accomplished? There’s is a wealth of historical literature that can tell you what happens to them afterward. In practice, Marxists are equally as bad as the oppressive ruling class as far as I’m concerned. I don’t give a shit how wide ranging some of these terms are, They’re manipulative. Are you sure it is only the ruling class that is doing the brainwashing? Because it appears to me that both sides participate in manipulating the masses in the same way. In fact, maybe you’ve been hoodwinked. Even right now, we have black lives matter, a Marxist organization, manipulating the people using their emotions over racist and sexist oppression in order to create chaos and destabilization. Time will tell what these people truly want. Unfortunately, we are on a path where we might just find out.
I think we forget jp was never really in this chamber of politics and cultural debates. He's a psychologist and that has always been what his main focus was on. He got caught up in this mad realm and briefly talked about cultural issues and science for a while. I hope he comes back too, but as of now, it seems psychology is back to being his main focus
Just wait until it merges with your brain and the algorithm gets to think for you by controlling your perception of reality and information you receive.
30 70 gotta catch them off guard, but also this technology is legitimately being invested in and people like Elon Musk and big tech giants are working on AI brain implementation as we speak. He’s openly admitted it.
Is it a good algorithm? Cause all you're being fed are videos of things you agree with. Which you may think is good until you realize that the people you disagree with are also only being fed videos that they agree with. The algorithm keeps us in our silos.
@@lordbunbury Nah, everyone will die. Has nothing to do whether or not he follows his own words. He's just in a natural cycle of life. You, I, him (and everyone) will go downhill from here in the physical aspects of everything.
I completely get where he’s coming from. Ppl want to belong to a social group so bad they’re willing to dismiss facts in order to be on a winning side. We need more strong minded individuals. The Left doesn’t have all the answers neither does the Right.
Comic Book Man I don’t want a “side” at all. I am me; that is enough. That is the starting point. I am responsible for my own actions. That doesn’t mean I’m not affected by outside forces: I’m subject to all kinds of persuasion and manipulation. But it is my duty as a man, as a human being, to fight tyranny, fight injustice, and fight malevolent thoughts and words, and bring about truth, love, and justice. It starts with me. Hopefully others out there feel the same way. I think it’s the only way we will be able to combat this identity ideology. Everyone feels safe in their little box. Well, step out of the box and I think you’ll see the world for what it is. Suffering. It’s up to us to fix it, or at least make it better.
I think this comes back to human need for community. Most humans would find community in church gatherings, sport teams, music bands, etc. But for some people they are so starved of their need for community that they will join any group regardless of the nature of the group. I think a part of the solution is that WE reach out to them with compassion to show them that they don't need to be SJW, radical lefts, or Antifa to fullfil their need for community. WE will help a fellow human in need folks!
damn when he said radical postmodernists think there is no “you”, but you are completely socially constructed... i never thought ab that pov but that’s totally true of them.
Beats By Rooz i believe the disdain for people who subscribe to that belief stems from the fact that, although the idea is somewhat true, there will always be an excuse. in jail? it’s not your fault, the system is against you. can’t get out of poverty? not your fault, you weren’t raised well enough to understand how to get yourself out. it is true to some degree, but if you subscribe to the idea that there is no “you”, you will always be a victim of your environment, and you will never have to take responsibility for your own actions.
@ジョージ様 I think the idea of hard-determinism (no "free will") is completely correct from a metaphysical/philosophical point of view. But the retort I would put to it is: "ok? and...?" There's a limit and line to be drawn as to how much we actually care about those ideas. If you told me I have no free will, what am I supposed to do with that information?
Early exposure theory would support everybody being an activist however because if that one post can reach one person (especially young people) you may actually have a subconscious effect on their tendencies towards things such as racism. I think this has an inverse effect on some adults who get pissed off about seeing 'them damn liberals' but for every one of them theres probably 5 who support it or who will be subversively effected.
@Georg Tolstoj I see your point, but I think what you're referring to is clicktavism not activism. One thing I admire about JP is his likening for civil dialogue, and is not peaceful protesting a form of civil dialogue? What about protestors with a plan? Everyone hates on Greta Thunberg but she had plans behind her speeches towards cleaner energy and more environmentally friendly practices. To state that its empty talk is very nihilistic as the only reason it won't work is because the companies refuse to listen or change. So does that mean you just give up and succumb to authority?
@@Comicgamerkids Im not talking about pointless activism im talking about organised protest with a goal. Ideology works to make the hegemony seem 'natural' and make all other forms of ideology seem unable to work. Its just not true, looking back on history protests are a huge part of what changed society to influence politicians and change the hegemony. Martin Luther King, May 68 in France, New Zealand just had many anti armed police protests and emails and our armed forces program just finished.
It's amazing how coherent and popular he is while in the throes of an active Klonopin addiction spanning 2017-2020! Wondering how he will answer to the choices made that led to an out of control addiction no different from thousands of others who simply own up to it, detox, and carry on.
Jordan Peterson is the man people without a basic knowledge of history find convincing. He’s a charlatan who uses rhetorical tricks and an authoritative speaking affect to deliver a conservative message that seems to people who don’t understand that they are conditioned to think conservatively Bc it doesn’t upset the status quo of an exploitative system. I think he’s prob lulled himself into this view as well, but you only need to glance at his actual work to understand what a precarious mess of bullshit his worldview is built upon. ‘Dragon of chaos.’ GTFO. The man doesn’t even have a basic understanding of Marx. Neither do any of you. Someone on here thinks Marx ‘tried’ communism. Do you even know what that means? Marx didn’t ‘try’ communism. He was a historian, philosopher, and an economic analyst. But JR bringing on charlatans is nothing knew, that’s basically what he does when it’s not a comedian. Anyways, you’re all being had by a snake oil salesman. This man went on an all meat diet. Jesus.
I had a guy tell me the other day that “There is no individual, there is only the collective.” I was totally floored and instantly enraged, because he was so upfront and confident to say something that bold. How in the hell could you think youre progressive while standing in the face of individuality?
I call bullshit on someone telling you that unless they were literally just quoting a communist ideology. Ask them if everything they do is for the greater good ("the greater good").
Anyone claiming that sort of bullshit probably hasn't achieved anything noteworthy in their own lives. It's the only way that idea can survive in your head: when there's nothing about you you're proud of. The moment you were faced with some sort of obstacle that you could not have overcome if you only relied on your collective (which does exist, it's just not the only thing that does) to lift you over it, you become concious of the fact that what you do or don't do makes a difference. Which is where the idea of "collective only" dies.
@@didinx8417 exactly what i thought when i saw that 😂😂😂😂 i wondered did he finish that bold statement with that even more ominous "resistance is futile".
Years ago, Saul Alinski knew that communism would eventually be accepted in America if his supporters dropped the word "communist" and replaced it with "progressive". He was right.
Same here brother... it’s 90% of the media & 5% of the population that are wreaking havoc. The rest of us just want to work & take care of the ones we love, we have more in common than what we’re being told.
talk about hitting the nail on the head. Apparently Seattle's autonomous zone already has a warlord, could be bullshit but still. I find it genuinely mind boggling that A LOT of people think getting rid of the po po is a good idea. Like I don't want to sound uncharitable here, but we need a cull. In fact getting rid of the po po will create a cull XD
I’m always hesitant to label anyone a “genius.” I’m not even sure I know what the term means. But after a couple of years of listening to JBP, I think he’s probably one.
Such a genius he landed himself in rehab after shitting on people with addictions. Yeah such a genius that he almost died because he tried some alternative rehab to what was recommended to him.
Yaz, you define “genius” as having a quality of infallibility? The definition I guess I might subscribe to is “an exceptionally intelligent person or one with exceptional skill in a particular area of activity.” For me, personally, JBP more than meets that. I missed his hypocritically “shitting on” addicts, although I fail to see how hypocrisy would negate genius categorization. Can you easily find the link?
Yaz, ya I generally agree. But I almost never affix the term to anyone. I love music by Thom Yorke and Trent Reznor and a lot of people call them both geniuses; I wouldn’t use the word. Just saying, after years of not rushing to it, I think JBP is probably in the genius zone. His intellectual and analytical instincts are so incisive and counter to the intuition of the masses, that I don’t really have another word for it. Also, the categorization doesn’t matter and it was just a personal observation.
The United States was made on protest, anyone who has any kind of rights has them because of protest. Having said that i will add if you're out there protesting at least know the argument, or what you are protesting .
ahrar corson that’s not true. The constitution was written by people who subscribe to natural law. John Locke, Immanuel Kant, etc. The founding fathers and men who wrote the constitution and “protested” against Britain did so because of the tyrant across the lake. If you want to paint order with a bad brush by calling it “control” be my guess... but when your life is marked by chaos, perhaps you may come to understand that control is no all that bad. With respect, your understanding of what happened in the 18th century is reduced a good bit. That being said, I don’t even agree with them! I believe that autonomy is problematic.
@@Parks179-h This civilisation they have created is called slavery. Why bother to participate with what's going on across the lake? Why steal oil from the East? US created 'chaos' and it aint ever going away.
exactly. These 'activists' that care more for the rapid reopening of business than the health of their community is blatant selfishness. However, the people that are taking a stance on someone being murdered on film is something worth shouting about.
Not really. They're talking about people protesting during people's speeches and protesting inside private institutions and virtue signaling. The current protests arent really doing that. They have a clear message of being pro police accountability and anti-police brutality, along with anti-racism. Not really a fair comparison
@John Smith ah yes, the protesters are doing that. Keep regurgitating the vomit the media pours down your throat. Imagine denying systemic racism. Nice troll
Yaz guys who quote Jordan Peterson fuck hots girls 30% more then men who do not quote JBP. Always know the arithmetic, find out the percentile. Something Dr. Peterson taught me. ✅
9:01 The authenticity of his response just blows my mind. I wish I knew people who could be real like that. It's lonely af out here with all these ghetto robots.
@@thepolitea1545 yeah, people who are blank but for what they are programmed to be. Tv and music and such. No one is there own person anymore. Peterson talks about people being their "ideology" all the time, that's basically what it is. Everyone is this group or that group, no one is an individual, like a robot, just some program. Ghetto because they are proud to be basic, hence, "ghetto robot." Just what I call them anyway. Feel free to spread it around, I think it sums up people pretty damn good.
@@thepolitea1545 yeah, people who are blank but for what they are programmed to be. Tv and music and such. No one is there own person anymore. Peterson talks about people being their "ideology" all the time, that's basically what it is. Everyone is this group or that group, no one is an individual, like a robot, just some program. Ghetto because they are proud to be basic, hence, "ghetto robot." Just what I call them anyway. Feel free to spread it around, I think it sums up people pretty damn good.
@@markoates9057 he was on the podcast of his lovely very hot daughter recently so I guess you could say hes better. Tho he didnt seemed really healthy and he is looking twice his age now.
Got in an argument on Instagram for some spicy criticisms. In a heated exchange a girl said to me "we are not individuals". That's equally Montypython-esque and terrifying.
@@cbalan777 I think you might be misunderstood. The girl in the heated exchange said "we're NOT individuals". It being 'heated', I thought it would be obvious that I think the opposite. I agree with you.
@@cbalan777 did you even watch the video? he explained there is no autonomous individual in the post modern. it's all identity of the group and power. you don't exist.
Why not take another angle, people DO care about the issues they protest but the 9-5, 5-6 day work week leaves people with very little energy to stand for the things they care for? Conveniently for the institutions and corporations that have been running amuck for so long.
The people who run countries have ancient knowledge of civilization. They already know all the tactics of controlling populations of people and the psychology of the average peasant.
This is an incredibly articulate assessment of the current consequence of ideas. Agree with him or not, he made his case in a well thought out and succinct manner. It demands a counter agreement equal to his detailed critique, rather than a pejorative slur.
Let's hope Jordan Peterson recovers from his illness so he can continue his great work in waking people up and helping young men and women to realise their potential
The density of information is pretty astounding. Especially in it’s clarity. I forgot that intellectuals existed. Let alone that they’d be willing to talk a group of people in such a way. A professional lifetime of learning is not something to be underestimated.
In our society today protest is the sincerest form of privilege. If you have the time; ability and safety to protest whatever/whenever, you are a privileged individual.
He's a bit of a hypocrite on this though. I do think JP is a very smart man but but his position on activism is flawed. He's like paranoid of the pink haired lesbians or something (understandingly) but what about the people protesting wars? Or foreign trade policies such as the ones seen in Seattle? How about respecting the people taking responsibility and actively trying to bring people together to bring awareness and change to things that can't be fixed through private actions. And the fact that you just spew that nonsense out shows that your still not thinking for yourself. Still when it comes to self therapy JP is one of the best mentors. For foreign policy I'd recommend looking at figures such as Noam Chomsky.
@@kingkoi6542 I don't know... I don't think I'd consider it hypocritical unless he was going out and protesting while complaining about protesting... That said, most people are hypocrites anyway, so I try not to worry about it too much. To be fair, while protests can be good in certain areas, I don't think that necessarily makes him wrong about things like many protesters' subconscious motivations and so on... Even the generally good people do what they think is right partially out of self-gratification... When you feel happy or satisfied about something you did, that's pretty much just you tricking your subconscious/whatever into rewarding you with pleasure for being what you subconsciously see as right/good... Or maybe I'm just talking rubbish because I'm sleepy... Maybe both.
King Koi well, I think it’s fair to say he’s not talking about every person in every protest. I mean, of course there are protests that are necessary, what I think it’s the problem are protestors that don’t allow dialogue to occur. What I think would be an ideal outcome of a protest is appropriate authorities approach the ideas being contested and and assembly of a discussion on the matter in order to take action, accompanied by assurances and consequences, much like a contract. But some people (the more radical ones) don’t want to do that, they don’t wanna find understanding and a middle ground. That’s what comes across as hypocritical on the part of some protestors, and in a way, they end up betraying their own message. That’s what I think at least... but I’m well aware that this almost never happens nowadays.
@@hanoitripper1809 Wife had liver cancer, was terminal, got on clonazepam to cope with watching his wife die, (they've known each other since they were 6), she ended up pulling through, but apparently with Jordan's auto-immune problems (riddled in the family) he's had a very bad reaction to coming off the drug, currently in Russia seeing a specialist. This has been going for a while now, maybe even a year?
This video was made in the past talking about today's protestors. Today's protesting is not about BLM. It is all about Left-Progressive POWER! Jordan Peterson is amazing and sees much clearer and just than others!!!👍🏻
This man needs to seriously consider starting a political party. I genuinely think he would win by a landslide. Kill everything with logic and honest truths.
Well but you have a democratic system, if even people are impulsive and emotion driven, there won’t be anything you can do since it’s just a game of numbers and power.
@@buckib03 not a good comparison because JP is already a well known public figure. The real problem is irresponsible people wouldn't vote to take responsibility. Also I've witnessed women listen to a few media, cherry picked sound bites and they assume he is a misogynist and intolerant. The odds are not in favor of logic.
Mk. 5 he’s a troll don’t waste your time on him. Clearly he’s a sad little man in his mother’s basement spewing hate and resentment for the smallest amount of attention he can get online that he can’t in real life cos he’s most likely a virgin hunchback with teeth like burnt fence posts that gets laughed at by everyone else.
Mk. 5 he’s a junkie ‘cause he kept taking them even after finding out the truth about his family situation. Lots of people deal with family member terminal illnesses without getting hooked on shit, but he chose that path to keep up his Deepak Chopra lifestyle. For someone who prides themselves in “cleaning up your act and don’t make up excuses” he sure likes to come up with some. And both of you are pathetic. Some sad attempt to psycho analyze about how another man is a hunchback who disagrees with their daddy is the most hilarious Peterson fan stereotype anyone could play.
JC Not you’re typing unnecessary essays nobody asked for endlessly on RUclips videos🤣🤣🤣unfortunately for you I don’t need to psycho analyse you to be able to tell you’re a loser lololol imagine being that sad🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️
I’m in university rn, and I can promise you what he’s saying about the sociologist and postmodernist perspective is very true. I haven’t read every little detail about them, not the extent he has, but the center of their philosophy deals with Power. Every sociology chapter I read and arguments made had to do with power. Additionally the idea that nearly everything in existence and the way we operate is a social construct. Maybe some acknowledge psychology and biology more than others. But without a doubt they believe our beings and identity are predominantly socially constructed. You’re not an individual with ideas your a shell whose identity is solely shaped by your “groups”. Which isn’t completely wrong, but they fixate on race gender sexually etc . That’s why they hate straight white men so much. Because, statistically they have all the power. Not that white men haven’t done bad things historically, but they attach every white man to those atrocities and furthermore want the power for themselves. Which is a selfish and egotistical mindset, believing if they have the “power” things will change. Scary to think what they would do with that power with all the hatred and anger they harbor.
Shitting on thoughts and opinions that differ from your own is the exact reason society is becoming more and more divided. Just because it's sunny at your house doesn't mean it's not raining at someone else's house...metaphorically speaking. The point playing out in these comments proves that it is less and less about rational discussion and more about one side gaining superiority over the other. When the dialog devolves into name calling and insults, it shows that dominating the other is more important than the original point they are trying to make.
Suq Madiq humans are animals. Our primal instincts are what drive us, end of story. To believe that there is something different between us and any other animal is just human arrogance.
3:10 This. Most big issues are extremely complexed with multiple contributing factors each influencing each other. If you speak to an activist who is not technically inclined, they only shout about the problem but have no idea how to fix it in a practical way.
“It’s hard to make things work better, it’s easy to make things work worse.” Remember that when you think disbanding law enforcement will solve every problem.
Stev Sux What’s interesting is how much of a political game “disband police” has become. It’s remarkable. “Disband” no longer means what the word’s definition indicates it means. It is simply a means to an end, something for the left to spew at folks to make it look like they’re trying to solve the problem. If I don’t know what I’m talking about and I haven’t researched what “disband police” actually means does that make me an idiot or does that make you disingenuous? There are thousands of individuals who want to disband police, who am I to say if they’re wrong or right? All I can do is respectfully disagree. My issue is the politicians who are using those folks plus this moment in time as an opportunity to gain political leverage. Solving the problem of police brutality and racial profiling is now secondary to the objective of advancing political agendas for upcoming elections. It’s sad to see what the left is doing, they are being disingenuous towards their voters and the worst part is they know they can get away with it because they’ve already fooled their base. But hey, that’s politics! Solving problems is never the primary objective.
@UCzW5LPMiPBdmJlpq3mdGVqA "defunding" the police is absolutely and utterly moronic. if anything the police needs more money to integrate specially trained personal to deal with those kinds of situations / better train all personal for those situations. to even consider leaving those situations to for profit organizations making them suspect to the necessity of generating profit margins is BEYOND ME. o am german so i might have gotten some shit wrong but i think that is what you suggested?
@@MrMCKlebeband I say for profit because there are little to no government ran mental health based places, most in the US are for profit and are expensive with no insurance coverage. If people were to push legislation that the government would run it or at least have restrictions on I'd definitely support it. To your idea that you don't defund the police, you increase funding and make specialized units for different procedures that's essentially what the goal is, the problem in the US is the current system doesn't support it due to police unions stopping nearly any attempts at change and the fact training to become an officer is laughably simple and easy, so they'd have to go through and reapply and train every officer for a different specialization anyway It's the same end goal as you say, just a different means of getting to it
@@shawnr7730 doesn't surprise me to find you trolling here too. Your ignorance is only surpassed by the low self esteem oozing through your comments. It's ok. It's not your fault. Hey. It's. Not. Your. Fault.
This is truer now more than ever. So many of my friends wish to shut me down or call me racists. They’re so ideologically possessed that they can’t see me for an individual with an opinion, but a threat to their group identity.
Frog Eye I treat everyone as an individual, but what I’ve noticed is that I can replace said friend with another individual who identifies with their group, and they’ll spew the same ideology. At that point, you can nearly predict what they’ll end up saying before they even say it. And at that point I’m not communicating with individualistic thought, but an ideologue.
I think that what they end up agreeing on is that protesting to the point of destroying free speech is the problem. In regards to his first part about ACTIVISTS though, some protesters in history have done some pretty great things with their idealistic views of helping the world. Civil Rights Movement and Martin Luther King, to name someone more recent.
He does this a lot. He tries to make attention grabbing statements and then work off of the argument by either doubling down or changing his words without acceding that the other person may be right. He chooses his attitude based on his liking of the person. Which is fair. What infuriates me is that he flips flops on his logic so much and claims monopoly on objective individuality whilst being an incendiary generalist. As in this video, he espouses free speech and engaging in dialogue as opposed to just getting the last word- show me one place where he has done that?
JP’s brilliant and this analysis is spot on, but plenty of people were aware of these issues at the end of 2018. They were relevant and discussed during the 2016 election.
Chomsky saw this in the 80s, probably earlier. The detrimental notion of the human as a social construct popularised by marx. ruclips.net/video/jFqyJYrRHrA/видео.html
I wonder. I think what is really going on there is a sort of mob mentality. When you do something that you know is technically wrong, like interrupting a public speech, that behaviour creates discomfort, which is only overcome by the validation provided by your peer group. Anger is a very immediate emotional response, you can't really plan anything on the grounds of anger, because the act of planning itself is enough to put you out of the emotional state. So what is really going on there is probably that people get motivated to join a group or a movement because their ideas feel right, and then everything from that point on is self-catalyzed group dynamics.
There’s an interesting thread on reddit (search for “peterson Derrida” and it comes up) which discusses Peterson’s potential misconstruction of post-modernism (or more accurately post-structuralism). It’s not anti-Peterson, but it discusses the claims he makes here about post-modernism in detail.
What is the Radical Deep state? Omg I could not disagree with Peterson more if he agrees what he is saying. If he is saying it just to describe post - modernism than ok. I am deeply intellectual and philosophical as well. But I met a guru from India and the power of the individual is EVRRYTHING! All other 'realities' are DARKNESS. The individual lives in the Light! You don't have to be "Christian" to believe in Jesus and that love and light and the individual are ALL. EVERYTHING!!!!
Andrew Trip, I get what you’re saying but someone once said that great men have great flaws. I’m not qualified to say who qualifies as “great,” although I have my opinions. But as far as Jordan Peterson goes, “let’s not throw the baby out with the bath-water.” His several messages re. Free Speech and Personal Responsibility are still valid.
Perfection straight off the bat: "a quick route to moral virtue" - because it's actually hard to be actually virtuous.
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@@miguelchippsinteligente6072 Your insight would be astounding were it more organized
That’s a great variation of the yin-and-yang symbol you’re using as your ID thumbnail pic-thing!
@@miguelchippsinteligente6072what the hell are you talking about.
Damn, I never thought about it like that. A quick path to virtue. It goes in line with the instant gratification culture we have. Damn Mr Peterson........ Insightful.
Lol in recent days, the Museum of African-American History and Culture put out an exhibit, on their website, that says delayed gratification, hard-work, and individualism are products of “whiteness,” and should be rejected by persons of color. Should be an interesting couple of years ahead of us... (:
@@lorentacla9740 what!...can't be true..HARD WORK?! How can you dismiss something like that as a product of "whiteness"? Insane!
@@lorentacla9740 thats crazy, idk why anyone would want to believe that, literally insane.
@@lorentacla9740 I just want to confirm this and ask you... Is what you just said even remotely true? That _delayed gratification, hard-work, and individualism are products of "whiteness" and should be rejected by persons of color_ was actually an idea expressed and associated with a cultural exhibit?
It's actually worse than that. Instant gratification as far as virtue signaling but moreover, it's become a socially acceptable avenue to release pent up personal frustrations and aggressions without any fear of social backlash from the masses. You can just get comfortably lost in the crowd and commit acts of violence and destruction with relative assurance that you won't even suffer legal consequences.
Most activists these days have very little knowledge of the subject that they’re so offended by.
So true! Have you ever seen reporters interview protesters? They can't even articulate what they are protesting about. Also, they are dumbfounded when confronted by the facts. It's crazy...
Yes, and it’s sad!
Plus most protestors and students don’t study politics and they have zero clue what they are talking about.
Yes. This is the Dunning-Kruger effect. It is the driving force of the left.
Very true. Greta 'how dare you!' comes to mind lol
Reason he’s stressed out is because he gets it.
Do you think he just wrote one day: At one point I began to hate them?
Yes you get it, and you feel like your taking. Easy pills when no one gets it ...
So true
@9 2 not nice.
Exactly
Joe misunderstands Jordan’s initial statement. Jordan is characterizing the incentives that lead to activist behavior, not the self conscious justification an activist uses to explain themselves. It is not that activists secretly don’t care about saving the world, they really do care (most anyway), but it’s easy convince yourself that protesting qualifies as saving the world because protesting doesn’t require much work and it’s socially validating, whereas the alternative of actually saving the world, or holding yourself to high moral standards, is quite difficult and daunting. Just like a person who can’t lose weight will drink diet soda, but remain sedentary, or “reward” themselves too often, undoing any progress they’ve made. The point is that your own mind is capable of pulling a fast one on you. If you decide to do something that conflicts with your habitual behavior, your mind will conspire to keep things working as usual. One way is to give you false victories, so that you can keep all your bad habits but make you feel as if you’ve satisfied your will to change at the same time. A protestor wants to change the world, but they usually don’t have the skill to do anything but express discontent, so their mind convinced them that this does the trick anyway, and they get to carry on with their unproductive lifestyle, while telling themselves that they are fighting for freedom and justice.
Well put sir, couldn't elaborate it better myself
A very brilliant statement. As I read your words, I remembered a few people complaining about why the world doesn't have electric airplanes yet, because according to them jets pollute motherloads (which is true). I will take them seriously if: 1) they stop taking further flights altogether. 2) they start working on their careers centred on building electrically propelled aircraft (by which they will realise why humans don't have them now)
I was going to slag you about getting your own damned podcast...then i finished reading your post... Well said. You actually should get your own podcast
Jordan Rutledge
Well said 👍
@New_Account I hope that belief gives you comfort.
You don’t have to agree with everything Jordan Peterson says to know he is spot on in this video.
universal truth?
Minimalism “material realism” and “grounded reality”? Talk about word salad... geesh
B Cagz what are your counter thoughts?
Ryan Gen Well, I don’t necessarily think a comment section is the best platform for trying to break down Marx’s terms but when you start talking about “false consciousness” and “grounded reality”, it is immediately apparent that there is such a broad spectrum these kind of concepts can encompass that you can hardly have the conversation without it turning into the shit you see out in the streets today. The way I see it, we struggle in general to define ideas like “consciousness” and “reality”, now we are going to follow an ideology that doubles down on how these things are defined by large groups or populations. I find it to be very misleading. Sure, Marx wasn’t completely wrong that people fall into subordinate modes of consciousness and end up being ruled by ideas they are fed from, and exploited with, from those with money and power, still, it isn’t like you can just form mobs of people to oppose the “bourgeoisie” as if it going to accomplish anything better. Look at history, look at what’s happening today. Marx wasn’t necessarily wrong in concept, but in reality his concepts, when put into action, are far worse than anything that is already happening. It’s unfortunate but true.
When it comes down to it, Marxism put into action has far worse consequences than its opposite. In fact, I would argue that it breeds the same thing it is supposed to be against orders of magnitude. That’s why I called it word salad, because it is easy to make it sound really good but terms like “grounded reality” and “material realism” don’t mean shit when you actually have to be able to apply the concept to the real world.
Edit: apologies if sentence structure leaves a bit to be desired. It’s 1 am on a Friday and I’ve had a few cocktails. 🤷♂️
Minimalism These terms are just as manipulative as the oppressors they are supposedly against. All you have to do is look at how “Marxists” conduct themselves in the world and you’ll know all you need to know. I don’t care if Engels himself made up the term “false consciousness”, It’s a means of manipulating the working class people into action for the purpose of overthrowing government. I don’t give a shit about what the ideology says, I give a shit about what it does. Historically, their track record speaks for itself. Marxism spurs the oppressed masses into action against the oppressor ruling class and once they’ve accomplished their goals what happens? A fate worse than the one they started in is what happens.
Also, grounded reality isn’t a term at all. Are you talking about grounded theory? Again, the Marxist doctrines May very well say this is what they believe, but this isn’t how they act. Unless of course they are willing to manipulate and use the gay and transsexual communities against their beliefs, in order to accomplish their goals. Then what happens to those groups that their ideology is against, which they have teamed up with, once the goal is accomplished? There’s is a wealth of historical literature that can tell you what happens to them afterward. In practice, Marxists are equally as bad as the oppressive ruling class as far as I’m concerned. I don’t give a shit how wide ranging some of these terms are, They’re manipulative.
Are you sure it is only the ruling class that is doing the brainwashing? Because it appears to me that both sides participate in manipulating the masses in the same way. In fact, maybe you’ve been hoodwinked. Even right now, we have black lives matter, a Marxist organization, manipulating the people using their emotions over racist and sexist oppression in order to create chaos and destabilization. Time will tell what these people truly want. Unfortunately, we are on a path where we might just find out.
Bearded Jordan Peterson has 10 more IQ points than base form
It's getting colder in Canada. Winter is coming!
Next form is with long beard, unbelievable wisdom
+12 to charisma too
Kevin Tran
Prove it , else concede
And I mean concrete proof, using mathematics, preferably with reference to Ito’s Lemma, or the Minsky Moment
Thanks
His final form is him emerging from an incubator covered naked in an embryonic like fluid sac fully bearded and a GOATEE!!!
We need you now more than ever JP. Please come back
I think we forget jp was never really in this chamber of politics and cultural debates. He's a psychologist and that has always been what his main focus was on. He got caught up in this mad realm and briefly talked about cultural issues and science for a while. I hope he comes back too, but as of now, it seems psychology is back to being his main focus
We need more drug addicts? Junkie Jordan Pill Poppin Peterson is in rehab.
yew 2oob ok yew 2oob you must be the perfect person!
@@yew2oob954 You being a low life beta male making cheap comments has never had any value and never will.
Hes resting up.
Now this is good algorithm RUclips !
Just wait until it merges with your brain and the algorithm gets to think for you by controlling your perception of reality and information you receive.
@@glitchinthematrix555 megaloltopia. he wasn't ready bro!
30 70 gotta catch them off guard, but also this technology is legitimately being invested in and people like Elon Musk and big tech giants are working on AI brain implementation as we speak. He’s openly admitted it.
TrippyLiving true story “neuro-link”
Is it a good algorithm? Cause all you're being fed are videos of things you agree with. Which you may think is good until you realize that the people you disagree with are also only being fed videos that they agree with. The algorithm keeps us in our silos.
Come back brighter, uncle Jordan. Heal and come back brighter.
@Tonald Drump Hardly - his wife is dying - that's half the reason he's in such a mess.
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 I thought she was recovering? Last I heard (been out of touch for a minute) she was all good and recovering
He should read the book ‘12 rules for life’
far brighter than than you snowflake
@@lordbunbury Nah, everyone will die. Has nothing to do whether or not he follows his own words.
He's just in a natural cycle of life. You, I, him (and everyone) will go downhill from here in the physical aspects of everything.
I completely get where he’s coming from. Ppl want to belong to a social group so bad they’re willing to dismiss facts in order to be on a winning side. We need more strong minded individuals. The Left doesn’t have all the answers neither does the Right.
So weird that people want to follow a group like a bunch of sycophants, i rather stay on my side and learn. So stupid these people.
Comic Book Man I don’t want a “side” at all. I am me; that is enough. That is the starting point. I am responsible for my own actions. That doesn’t mean I’m not affected by outside forces: I’m subject to all kinds of persuasion and manipulation. But it is my duty as a man, as a human being, to fight tyranny, fight injustice, and fight malevolent thoughts and words, and bring about truth, love, and justice. It starts with me. Hopefully others out there feel the same way. I think it’s the only way we will be able to combat this identity ideology. Everyone feels safe in their little box. Well, step out of the box and I think you’ll see the world for what it is. Suffering. It’s up to us to fix it, or at least make it better.
Exactly
I think this comes back to human need for community. Most humans would find community in church gatherings, sport teams, music bands, etc. But for some people they are so starved of their need for community that they will join any group regardless of the nature of the group.
I think a part of the solution is that WE reach out to them with compassion to show them that they don't need to be SJW, radical lefts, or Antifa to fullfil their need for community.
WE will help a fellow human in need folks!
timwins31 well said man.
damn when he said radical postmodernists think there is no “you”, but you are completely socially constructed... i never thought ab that pov but that’s totally true of them.
ジョージ様 facts. i can understand the logic but i disagree bc there’s always some sort of free will. that pov implies no individual choice which is untrue
ジョージ様 the idea of determinism isn’t just “off-brand deep thought for dumb people”, it is certainly a valid point of view
Beats By Rooz i believe the disdain for people who subscribe to that belief stems from the fact that, although the idea is somewhat true, there will always be an excuse. in jail? it’s not your fault, the system is against you. can’t get out of poverty? not your fault, you weren’t raised well enough to understand how to get yourself out. it is true to some degree, but if you subscribe to the idea that there is no “you”, you will always be a victim of your environment, and you will never have to take responsibility for your own actions.
@@beatsbyrooz2632 Really, are you being serious? Just because you can imagine it doesn't mean it's true.
@ジョージ様 I think the idea of hard-determinism (no "free will") is completely correct from a metaphysical/philosophical point of view. But the retort I would put to it is: "ok? and...?" There's a limit and line to be drawn as to how much we actually care about those ideas. If you told me I have no free will, what am I supposed to do with that information?
Nowadays, everyone with a Twitter account is an ‘activist’
Early exposure theory would support everybody being an activist however because if that one post can reach one person (especially young people) you may actually have a subconscious effect on their tendencies towards things such as racism. I think this has an inverse effect on some adults who get pissed off about seeing 'them damn liberals' but for every one of them theres probably 5 who support it or who will be subversively effected.
@Georg Tolstoj I see your point, but I think what you're referring to is clicktavism not activism. One thing I admire about JP is his likening for civil dialogue, and is not peaceful protesting a form of civil dialogue? What about protestors with a plan? Everyone hates on Greta Thunberg but she had plans behind her speeches towards cleaner energy and more environmentally friendly practices. To state that its empty talk is very nihilistic as the only reason it won't work is because the companies refuse to listen or change. So does that mean you just give up and succumb to authority?
@@chadallison9016 Yes activism creates racism
@@chadallison9016 screaming to the air is not a dialog.
@@Comicgamerkids Im not talking about pointless activism im talking about organised protest with a goal. Ideology works to make the hegemony seem 'natural' and make all other forms of ideology seem unable to work. Its just not true, looking back on history protests are a huge part of what changed society to influence politicians and change the hegemony. Martin Luther King, May 68 in France, New Zealand just had many anti armed police protests and emails and our armed forces program just finished.
I am blown away at how wise Dr Peterson is
It's amazing how coherent and popular he is while in the throes of an active Klonopin addiction spanning 2017-2020!
Wondering how he will answer to the choices made that led to an out of control addiction no different from thousands of others who simply own up to it, detox, and carry on.
“I’m against poverty.”
It’s like yeah? No kidding man😂
@ジョージ様 Communism across the world would be great for the environment at least XD
@ジョージ様 Marx was a legitemate luciferian that wanted to drag mankind to hell with him.
communism is hell on earth
goof verdinus proof? All he did was try a different system and it didn’t work
Jordan Peterson is the man people without a basic knowledge of history find convincing. He’s a charlatan who uses rhetorical tricks and an authoritative speaking affect to deliver a conservative message that seems to people who don’t understand that they are conditioned to think conservatively Bc it doesn’t upset the status quo of an exploitative system. I think he’s prob lulled himself into this view as well, but you only need to glance at his actual work to understand what a precarious mess of bullshit his worldview is built upon. ‘Dragon of chaos.’ GTFO. The man doesn’t even have a basic understanding of Marx. Neither do any of you. Someone on here thinks Marx ‘tried’ communism. Do you even know what that means? Marx didn’t ‘try’ communism. He was a historian, philosopher, and an economic analyst. But JR bringing on charlatans is nothing knew, that’s basically what he does when it’s not a comedian. Anyways, you’re all being had by a snake oil salesman. This man went on an all meat diet. Jesus.
Bijan Esnaashari hell yeah thank you for being the one to say it 🙏
I had a guy tell me the other day that “There is no individual, there is only the collective.” I was totally floored and instantly enraged, because he was so upfront and confident to say something that bold. How in the hell could you think youre progressive while standing in the face of individuality?
I call bullshit on someone telling you that unless they were literally just quoting a communist ideology. Ask them if everything they do is for the greater good ("the greater good").
Were they one of The Borg?
Anyone claiming that sort of bullshit probably hasn't achieved anything noteworthy in their own lives. It's the only way that idea can survive in your head: when there's nothing about you you're proud of. The moment you were faced with some sort of obstacle that you could not have overcome if you only relied on your collective (which does exist, it's just not the only thing that does) to lift you over it, you become concious of the fact that what you do or don't do makes a difference. Which is where the idea of "collective only" dies.
@@didinx8417 exactly what i thought when i saw that 😂😂😂😂 i wondered did he finish that bold statement with that even more ominous "resistance is futile".
Years ago, Saul Alinski knew that communism would eventually be accepted in America if his supporters dropped the word "communist" and replaced it with "progressive". He was right.
Came here because my whole town plus the world is turning into mad max.
Same here brother... it’s 90% of the media & 5% of the population that are wreaking havoc. The rest of us just want to work & take care of the ones we love, we have more in common than what we’re being told.
Same here in Europe/ Germany.🤦🏼♀️
This is the 60's all over again. Hippies and black panthers, only the names have changed.
@@janets9179 Except in the 60s there was actual oppression
Just curious; where do you live and do you have a thunder dome yet?
Yo. I haven’t listened to him in a while. After watching I’ve realized how dumbed down I’ve been
Yeah, you just start to slowly accept some of these things cause everyone around you just goes along with it
Crazy to think he can explain these high level concepts while being druged up and eating only meat 😳
It takes courage to accept a mistake
Don't worry. He's not that good really.
He's just had 40 years practice.
Yeah, the mindfood people are fed is for 6-12 year olds.. At least what 6-12 years old want, sugar sugar sugar or energy without effort - addiction.
This aged well unfortunately
Right? I feel like a lot of people need to watch this at the moment.
talk about hitting the nail on the head. Apparently Seattle's autonomous zone already has a warlord, could be bullshit but still.
I find it genuinely mind boggling that A LOT of people think getting rid of the po po is a good idea. Like I don't want to sound uncharitable here, but we need a cull.
In fact getting rid of the po po will create a cull XD
Joe is looking extra shiny today
C. Layne its the test
He ceramic coats. Lasts longer.
No headphones on that globe
Prolly went on that carnivore diet
Polished up for daddy petersen 😍💦💦
I’m always hesitant to label anyone a “genius.” I’m not even sure I know what the term means. But after a couple of years of listening to JBP, I think he’s probably one.
Such a genius he landed himself in rehab after shitting on people with addictions. Yeah such a genius that he almost died because he tried some alternative rehab to what was recommended to him.
Yaz, you define “genius” as having a quality of infallibility? The definition I guess I might subscribe to is “an exceptionally intelligent person or one with exceptional skill in a particular area of activity.” For me, personally, JBP more than meets that. I missed his hypocritically “shitting on” addicts, although I fail to see how hypocrisy would negate genius categorization. Can you easily find the link?
@@austinhunt4260 all I'm saying is let's not go overboard with the genius description. He's just a dude you like to listen to and agree with.
Yaz, ya I generally agree. But I almost never affix the term to anyone. I love music by Thom Yorke and Trent Reznor and a lot of people call them both geniuses; I wouldn’t use the word. Just saying, after years of not rushing to it, I think JBP is probably in the genius zone. His intellectual and analytical instincts are so incisive and counter to the intuition of the masses, that I don’t really have another word for it. Also, the categorization doesn’t matter and it was just a personal observation.
Yaz, and can you at least paraphrase him “shitting on” addicts?
The United States was made on protest, anyone who has any kind of rights has them because of protest. Having said that i will add if you're out there protesting at least know the argument, or what you are protesting .
Larry Jamieson not necessarily. All politics and power. US was made due to the vision of controlling everything, and that they have.
ahrar corson that’s not true. The constitution was written by people who subscribe to natural law. John Locke, Immanuel Kant, etc. The founding fathers and men who wrote the constitution and “protested” against Britain did so because of the tyrant across the lake. If you want to paint order with a bad brush by calling it “control” be my guess... but when your life is marked by chaos, perhaps you may come to understand that control is no all that bad.
With respect, your understanding of what happened in the 18th century is reduced a good bit.
That being said, I don’t even agree with them! I believe that autonomy is problematic.
The US has been shaped by protest but now they're just protesting things based on their opinions rather than a universal moral or ethical objection.
@@Parks179-h This civilisation they have created is called slavery. Why bother to participate with what's going on across the lake? Why steal oil from the East? US created 'chaos' and it aint ever going away.
ahrar corson that’s the Cost of autonomy. Chaos.
This applies right now.
Mike totally
exactly. These 'activists' that care more for the rapid reopening of business than the health of their community is blatant selfishness. However, the people that are taking a stance on someone being murdered on film is something worth shouting about.
Not really. They're talking about people protesting during people's speeches and protesting inside private institutions and virtue signaling. The current protests arent really doing that. They have a clear message of being pro police accountability and anti-police brutality, along with anti-racism. Not really a fair comparison
@@xxstealerxx How can they be anti racist when they classify an entire group of people based on their skin color?
@John Smith ah yes, the protesters are doing that. Keep regurgitating the vomit the media pours down your throat. Imagine denying systemic racism. Nice troll
We need this man back in our lives, like now.
He is here tho! Learn from his immortal form in videos. His teachings are always here for us 🙏
@@thePlum yeah please continue to learn from him so that less and less of your genes will remain in the gene pool since you def won't be getting laid.
Yaz you alright ?
Yaz guys who quote Jordan Peterson fuck hots girls 30% more then men who do not quote JBP.
Always know the arithmetic, find out the percentile. Something Dr. Peterson taught me. ✅
@@yazzyyazyaz being a dork must really suck for your gene pool.
It was a smart decision by Joe Hogan to not smoke heefer on this podcast.
I knew I saw you profile picture somewhere
!Porra caralho!
K Vult
Many people use their political compass as their pfp.
KC
How did you get that from a Renato joke?
Edit: Is there a reply that was deleted?
Mikey Mellon
KC
Hey can you two shut the fuck up and take your shitty debate elsewhere?
9:01
The authenticity of his response just blows my mind. I wish I knew people who could be real like that. It's lonely af out here with all these ghetto robots.
Ghetto robots?
@@thepolitea1545 yeah, people who are blank but for what they are programmed to be. Tv and music and such. No one is there own person anymore. Peterson talks about people being their "ideology" all the time, that's basically what it is. Everyone is this group or that group, no one is an individual, like a robot, just some program. Ghetto because they are proud to be basic, hence, "ghetto robot." Just what I call them anyway. Feel free to spread it around, I think it sums up people pretty damn good.
@@thepolitea1545 yeah, people who are blank but for what they are programmed to be. Tv and music and such. No one is there own person anymore. Peterson talks about people being their "ideology" all the time, that's basically what it is. Everyone is this group or that group, no one is an individual, like a robot, just some program. Ghetto because they are proud to be basic, hence, "ghetto robot." Just what I call them anyway. Feel free to spread it around, I think it sums up people pretty damn good.
@@MrJimShorts well, this is why no one pays you to think.
@@MrJimShorts Well, that is why no one pays you to think.
Its tribalism mixed with feeling superior by virtue signaling.
"There are no easy routes. There are only difficult routes to doing useful things."
such a good quote
I miss Jordan Peterson
I hope we see him again. We're going through some strong second wave of whatever right now and I'd love to hear from him again.
What happened to him?
@@kdum8 he's sick, but I hear he's recovering
@@markoates9057 he was on the podcast of his lovely very hot daughter recently so I guess you could say hes better. Tho he didnt seemed really healthy and he is looking twice his age now.
He’s back!
Just listening to people like Jordan I have grown up so much more and I started watching him at the age of 48. Thanks
"And when the world needed him most, he vanished"
Matt Meckley 👆Just started watching that lol
@@5673hfueb appropriate eh?
Love the reference even though I disagree that the world needs JP right now
@@JakeJupiter the world always needs JP
He’s Sick mate
Got in an argument on Instagram for some spicy criticisms. In a heated exchange a girl said to me "we are not individuals". That's equally Montypython-esque and terrifying.
If you aren't an individual then what are you? If you aren't you then there is no such thing as immorality because there can't be murder, rape etc.
@@cbalan777 I think you might be misunderstood. The girl in the heated exchange said "we're NOT individuals". It being 'heated', I thought it would be obvious that I think the opposite. I agree with you.
@@cbalan777 did you even watch the video? he explained there is no autonomous individual in the post modern. it's all identity of the group and power. you don't exist.
@@lolwtnick4362 yes and he disagrees with pomo
Post-modernism for ya. Stupid people don't know they're stupid lol
The world needs some JP logic right now.
no, not at all todays climate just prove JP is full of shit.
Paul Robertson no it doesn’t. This just proves how all these virtue signalling libtards like yourself are full of shit
Paul Robertson Today’s climate is what he tried to warn people about.
@@420247paul Yo join up with antifa and save the world from fascism with fascism XD
@@420247paul It proves he is exactly right about everything he said you delusional cretin.
He warned us for this nonsense goin on in the west
It's fine to protest people that protest against protestors at anti-protestor protests.
I think.
You try hard hack.
What do we stand for any more?
Well said Jo
So.... it’s ok to counter protest?
Only protestors counter protest against counter protesters, protestly.
I miss Jordan Peterson! God bless him and return him to health.
People need purpose that's why there's so many protesters while unemployment is high
They would make better prostitutes...
The unemployment rate skyrocketed before the protests
Why not take another angle, people DO care about the issues they protest but the 9-5, 5-6 day work week leaves people with very little energy to stand for the things they care for? Conveniently for the institutions and corporations that have been running amuck for so long.
@@MueDue That's exactly what he's saying. If they were employed, they may not have had the interest or time to protest.
Uh, no..... our masters need us to keep working so we don’t have time to protest them picking our pockets.
It's almost frightening to hear this now in June of 2020.
I know right
It's nothing new, especially not in America.
The people who run countries have ancient knowledge of civilization. They already know all the tactics of controlling populations of people and the psychology of the average peasant.
TrippyLiving doesn’t look like it when you see how the United states responded. They also couldn’t control the protests in eastern Germany.
hans meiser media blows things out of proportion. I can assure you the majority of people are not participating in the protests.
This is actual wokeness
Major Facts!
Minor Facts!
Meditated Facts!
FACTS!!!
Bruh I'm so woke rn.. get woke
Perfect for whats happening in the world these days
This is an incredibly articulate assessment of the current consequence of ideas. Agree with him or not, he made his case in a well thought out and succinct manner. It demands a counter agreement equal to his detailed critique, rather than a pejorative slur.
God Bless this man. He's been battling these people so thoroughly that he put his own health in danger. I hope he gets well soon. We need him.
we don't
@@chordprogressionautodidact5188 yeah totally. we need andrew tate instead🙄
Wow, what a brilliant mind and amazing communicator. Gets better every time I hear him speak.
His words are so relevant for today's world.
Peterson is amazing. Free speech is so important.
It always has been. Fuck the people trying to shut it down.
It's true. It's the only way charlatans like Peterson can be exposed. 👍
@@mbogucki1 uneducated
9:01 you can hear the desperation in his voice trying to warn us about the postmodernist radicalists
Let's hope Jordan Peterson recovers from his illness so he can continue his great work in waking people up and helping young men and women to realise their potential
The amazing thing about this video is that it’s now 20 times more relevant with everything that’s happening right now. Truly prophetic
Its scary isn't it.
Flash ahead 2020: At 9:02 I’d love to hear Rogans take on Jordan’s assessment now. Jordan was spot on.
9:00 JBP sure can get scary.... True terror of postmodernism
9:02 when postmodernism comes
This is the guy we need right now, am I right!?
The density of information is pretty astounding. Especially in it’s clarity. I forgot that intellectuals existed. Let alone that they’d be willing to talk a group of people in such a way. A professional lifetime of learning is not something to be underestimated.
9:02 when mom threatens to take away my Xbox
In our society today protest is the sincerest form of privilege.
If you have the time; ability and safety to protest whatever/whenever, you are a privileged individual.
Jonathan Wotka soooooo true. You don’t see people in Africa protesting things when they don’t have simple things like food or water
He's a bit of a hypocrite on this though. I do think JP is a very smart man but but his position on activism is flawed. He's like paranoid of the pink haired lesbians or something (understandingly) but what about the people protesting wars? Or foreign trade policies such as the ones seen in Seattle? How about respecting the people taking responsibility and actively trying to bring people together to bring awareness and change to things that can't be fixed through private actions. And the fact that you just spew that nonsense out shows that your still not thinking for yourself. Still when it comes to self therapy JP is one of the best mentors. For foreign policy I'd recommend looking at figures such as Noam Chomsky.
@@kingkoi6542 I don't know... I don't think I'd consider it hypocritical unless he was going out and protesting while complaining about protesting... That said, most people are hypocrites anyway, so I try not to worry about it too much.
To be fair, while protests can be good in certain areas, I don't think that necessarily makes him wrong about things like many protesters' subconscious motivations and so on... Even the generally good people do what they think is right partially out of self-gratification... When you feel happy or satisfied about something you did, that's pretty much just you tricking your subconscious/whatever into rewarding you with pleasure for being what you subconsciously see as right/good...
Or maybe I'm just talking rubbish because I'm sleepy... Maybe both.
King Koi well, I think it’s fair to say he’s not talking about every person in every protest.
I mean, of course there are protests that are necessary, what I think it’s the problem are protestors that don’t allow dialogue to occur.
What I think would be an ideal outcome of a protest is appropriate authorities approach the ideas being contested and and assembly of a discussion on the matter in order to take action, accompanied by assurances and consequences, much like a contract. But some people (the more radical ones) don’t want to do that, they don’t wanna find understanding and a middle ground. That’s what comes across as hypocritical on the part of some protestors, and in a way, they end up betraying their own message.
That’s what I think at least... but I’m well aware that this almost never happens nowadays.
@Slut Dragon Haha, see that's how I saw it.
get better dr.peterson 🙏🏿
yeah i hope he gets better then shuts the fuck up forever
@@yazzyyazyaz aww well at least ur kinda nice :)
Is he ill
@@hanoitripper1809 Wife had liver cancer, was terminal, got on clonazepam to cope with watching his wife die, (they've known each other since they were 6), she ended up pulling through, but apparently with Jordan's auto-immune problems (riddled in the family) he's had a very bad reaction to coming off the drug, currently in Russia seeing a specialist. This has been going for a while now, maybe even a year?
calvin james damn. Didnt know
Joe "I put aftershave on my head" Rogan
So do I.
That beard is incredible. I'm saving this podcast for tomorrow while I'm working. I can't wait to listen to it.
@President Trump yes sir.
why? hes a fuckin moron attention whore
@Manchester United*
Acknowledging a well groomed beard isn't the same as gagging on cock, my man.
Mr. Motivation Look up all the anti gay republicans who turned out to be gay.
This video was made in the past talking about today's protestors. Today's protesting is not about BLM. It is all about Left-Progressive POWER! Jordan Peterson is amazing and sees much clearer and just than others!!!👍🏻
This conversation is so important NOW!! Please people, Don't let Virtual Signaling Destroy this country.
How does one "Virtual Signal"? Are goggles required?
There's balding, there's bald. And then there's Joe Rogan.
This man needs to seriously consider starting a political party. I genuinely think he would win by a landslide. Kill everything with logic and honest truths.
if only politics worked that way.
Tell that to Andrew Yang
Well but you have a democratic system, if even people are impulsive and emotion driven, there won’t be anything you can do since it’s just a game of numbers and power.
@@buckib03 not a good comparison because JP is already a well known public figure. The real problem is irresponsible people wouldn't vote to take responsibility. Also I've witnessed women listen to a few media, cherry picked sound bites and they assume he is a misogynist and intolerant. The odds are not in favor of logic.
Teddy Grey ever heard of Trump?
Especially on point in the wake of recent riots.
tfw you’re all so desperate to be validated you turn to a junkie Deepak Chopra.
Mk. 5 he’s a troll don’t waste your time on him. Clearly he’s a sad little man in his mother’s basement spewing hate and resentment for the smallest amount of attention he can get online that he can’t in real life cos he’s most likely a virgin hunchback with teeth like burnt fence posts that gets laughed at by everyone else.
Mk. 5 he’s a junkie ‘cause he kept taking them even after finding out the truth about his family situation. Lots of people deal with family member terminal illnesses without getting hooked on shit, but he chose that path to keep up his Deepak Chopra lifestyle. For someone who prides themselves in “cleaning up your act and don’t make up excuses” he sure likes to come up with some. And both of you are pathetic. Some sad attempt to psycho analyze about how another man is a hunchback who disagrees with their daddy is the most hilarious Peterson fan stereotype anyone could play.
JC Not you’re typing unnecessary essays nobody asked for endlessly on RUclips videos🤣🤣🤣unfortunately for you I don’t need to psycho analyse you to be able to tell you’re a loser lololol imagine being that sad🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️
Matt Bowers did I go too hard on daddy Peterson? Go back to your safe space and clean your room.
Tony Ferguson is the type of guy to deliver food to a Chinese restaurant.
Tony Ferguson is the type of guy who doesn't even duck when he does the limbo
haha nice 1
Tony Ferguson is the type of guy who can make a saxophone blow him.
@@grinninglibertarian1990 not a single ml of piss ends up in the bowl either, the surface tension is too strong
Why, does he have a service dog?
Mr Peterson needs to get back on in 2020. We need it.
Jordan Peterson grows a beard and becomes, The Most Interesting Man In The World.
"Stay thirsty, my friends."
I like the way he says "NO" at 9:01
Glad his message is being put out there during these troubling times
So this is what Rick from Waling Dead is doing now.
After dealing with zombie hordes for so long, he has a strong distaste for large mobs.
TurtleTroll W
CORAL. CLEAN YOUR ROOM. CORAL!
Delivering headshots to the left.
Rick Grimes was never this smart lol
"Undeserved access to power." This man is legend.
Omg, literally the root of all the problems we are having right now
If only JP had known he's be speaking directly to today's protesters and looters...
What he shares is timeless.
Train all day Joe Rogan podcast by night
All night
all day
@President Trump you're a fat yellow twat who's look more at home home on an armadillos asscrack.
Gay all day joe rogan podcast by night, for pay.
Stockton mothafocka.
JP always breaks things down so rationally. He is a breath of sanity amidst all the insanity.
He warned us last year and 2020 came ...
I’m in university rn, and I can promise you what he’s saying about the sociologist and postmodernist perspective is very true. I haven’t read every little detail about them, not the extent he has, but the center of their philosophy deals with Power. Every sociology chapter I read and arguments made had to do with power. Additionally the idea that nearly everything in existence and the way we operate is a social construct. Maybe some acknowledge psychology and biology more than others. But without a doubt they believe our beings and identity are predominantly socially constructed. You’re not an individual with ideas your a shell whose identity is solely shaped by your “groups”. Which isn’t completely wrong, but they fixate on race gender sexually etc . That’s why they hate straight white men so much. Because, statistically they have all the power. Not that white men haven’t done bad things historically, but they attach every white man to those atrocities and furthermore want the power for themselves. Which is a selfish and egotistical mindset, believing if they have the “power” things will change. Scary to think what they would do with that power with all the hatred and anger they harbor.
9:01 new ringtone for when my boss calls
Tribalism still dominates the political landscape even after tens of thousands of years.
Its human nature
@Suq Madiq wrong.
I'm not sure if you two are trolling or not... But you are doing exactly what he is talking about in the video lmao
Shitting on thoughts and opinions that differ from your own is the exact reason society is becoming more and more divided. Just because it's sunny at your house doesn't mean it's not raining at someone else's house...metaphorically speaking. The point playing out in these comments proves that it is less and less about rational discussion and more about one side gaining superiority over the other. When the dialog devolves into name calling and insults, it shows that dominating the other is more important than the original point they are trying to make.
Suq Madiq humans are animals. Our primal instincts are what drive us, end of story. To believe that there is something different between us and any other animal is just human arrogance.
3:10 This. Most big issues are extremely complexed with multiple contributing factors each influencing each other. If you speak to an activist who is not technically inclined, they only shout about the problem but have no idea how to fix it in a practical way.
I need your thoughts back, Sir. Hope you are well soon. Very, very, soon.
“It’s hard to make things work better, it’s easy to make things work worse.”
Remember that when you think disbanding law enforcement will solve every problem.
You can also swap out the word work with look and suddenly you have the message of don't scrutinize an idea you clearly only know half the story to
Stev Sux
What’s interesting is how much of a political game “disband police” has become. It’s remarkable. “Disband” no longer means what the word’s definition indicates it means. It is simply a means to an end, something for the left to spew at folks to make it look like they’re trying to solve the problem. If I don’t know what I’m talking about and I haven’t researched what “disband police” actually means does that make me an idiot or does that make you disingenuous? There are thousands of individuals who want to disband police, who am I to say if they’re wrong or right? All I can do is respectfully disagree. My issue is the politicians who are using those folks plus this moment in time as an opportunity to gain political leverage. Solving the problem of police brutality and racial profiling is now secondary to the objective of advancing political agendas for upcoming elections. It’s sad to see what the left is doing, they are being disingenuous towards their voters and the worst part is they know they can get away with it because they’ve already fooled their base. But hey, that’s politics! Solving problems is never the primary objective.
@UCzW5LPMiPBdmJlpq3mdGVqA "defunding" the police is absolutely and utterly moronic.
if anything the police needs more money to integrate specially trained personal to deal with those kinds of situations / better train all personal for those situations.
to even consider leaving those situations to for profit organizations making them suspect to the necessity of generating profit margins is BEYOND ME.
o am german so i might have gotten some shit wrong but i think that is what you suggested?
@@MrMCKlebeband I say for profit because there are little to no government ran mental health based places, most in the US are for profit and are expensive with no insurance coverage. If people were to push legislation that the government would run it or at least have restrictions on I'd definitely support it. To your idea that you don't defund the police, you increase funding and make specialized units for different procedures that's essentially what the goal is, the problem in the US is the current system doesn't support it due to police unions stopping nearly any attempts at change and the fact training to become an officer is laughably simple and easy, so they'd have to go through and reapply and train every officer for a different specialization anyway
It's the same end goal as you say, just a different means of getting to it
We need strong police and law and order, not the other way around.
Joe "Forehead Shining Brighter Than My Future" Rogan
Young Kim I mah ⭐️ STAR son!
Yep... defiantly brighter then your future virgin nerd!
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@@shawnr7730 doesn't surprise me to find you trolling here too. Your ignorance is only surpassed by the low self esteem oozing through your comments. It's ok. It's not your fault. Hey. It's. Not. Your. Fault.
Intellectual honesty will never exist if your afraid of being wrong, especially when your right.
This is truer now more than ever. So many of my friends wish to shut me down or call me racists. They’re so ideologically possessed that they can’t see me for an individual with an opinion, but a threat to their group identity.
Tribalism is so strong in America
Maybe you don’t see them as an individual
@@Limitlesshigh That's probably true deep down...but it is because they aren't acting as individuals. It's easy to spot groupthink.
Idk maybe you are racist
Frog Eye I treat everyone as an individual, but what I’ve noticed is that I can replace said friend with another individual who identifies with their group, and they’ll spew the same ideology. At that point, you can nearly predict what they’ll end up saying before they even say it. And at that point I’m not communicating with individualistic thought, but an ideologue.
I've never needed JP more than I do now
I'm not JBP but if you're into psychology I have a video on Industriousness.
He rose to fame for PROTESTING something that wasnt even a law. What a hypocrite!
@@azeemkhan1066 hahaha funny
Spot on Mr. Peterson...as usual. Thank you sir.
I think that what they end up agreeing on is that protesting to the point of destroying free speech is the problem. In regards to his first part about ACTIVISTS though, some protesters in history have done some pretty great things with their idealistic views of helping the world. Civil Rights Movement and Martin Luther King, to name someone more recent.
He does this a lot. He tries to make attention grabbing statements and then work off of the argument by either doubling down or changing his words without acceding that the other person may be right. He chooses his attitude based on his liking of the person. Which is fair. What infuriates me is that he flips flops on his logic so much and claims monopoly on objective individuality whilst being an incendiary generalist. As in this video, he espouses free speech and engaging in dialogue as opposed to just getting the last word- show me one place where he has done that?
Read Thomas Sowell’s take on the civil rights movement if you’re convinced it did any good.
he saw it coming way before anyone would have thought
JP’s brilliant and this analysis is spot on, but plenty of people were aware of these issues at the end of 2018. They were relevant and discussed during the 2016 election.
Chomsky saw this in the 80s, probably earlier. The detrimental notion of the human as a social construct popularised by marx. ruclips.net/video/jFqyJYrRHrA/видео.html
Clipping 9:02 and gonna make it my truck's alarm sound 🤣
"Noo, no Noo, no Noo!"
I think righteous anger feels good. And people protesting get that rush.
I wonder. I think what is really going on there is a sort of mob mentality. When you do something that you know is technically wrong, like interrupting a public speech, that behaviour creates discomfort, which is only overcome by the validation provided by your peer group. Anger is a very immediate emotional response, you can't really plan anything on the grounds of anger, because the act of planning itself is enough to put you out of the emotional state. So what is really going on there is probably that people get motivated to join a group or a movement because their ideas feel right, and then everything from that point on is self-catalyzed group dynamics.
Yea we loove being outraged
The problem is that righteous anger must be coupled with true righteousness to be a beneficial thing.
Postmodernism sounds like a highly toxic "philosophy"
There’s an interesting thread on reddit (search for “peterson Derrida” and it comes up) which discusses Peterson’s potential misconstruction of post-modernism (or more accurately post-structuralism). It’s not anti-Peterson, but it discusses the claims he makes here about post-modernism in detail.
I miss seeing doctor Peterson everywhere all the time. He was the nicest famous person I’ve ever met, by FAR. I hope he’s doing well.
Looks like Joe got a haircut
I think he ceramic coats.
When 10 years ago
Who's joe?
@@caleb.39 joe mama... I think
No headphones lol
Jarden Pete-airsen
That's "Jordan Peterson" with an Irish accent. Have a nice day 🤗
Jordin Pe-ersin
That's how you say it with a Dublin - Irish accent. You have a nice day too.
Jorn Peersin
That's how you say it with a Belfast Irish accent. You all have a nice day also.
Juhdun pedershin
Cree accent
fuck all yalls day
Joddin Peetasin - Australian
9:02 Jordan tapping into his inner canine there
Jordan’s beard makes him look like he just cleaned his room.
Joe "Let's talk about DMT for the 555th time" Rogan.
A very specific number
Bro its 666, you clearly dont watch much
@King Slime YSL My count is 367
@@sclark6807 369, pleb.
What is the Radical Deep state? Omg I could not disagree with Peterson more if he agrees what he is saying. If he is saying it just to describe post - modernism than ok. I am deeply intellectual and philosophical as well. But I met a guru from India and the power of the individual is EVRRYTHING! All other 'realities' are DARKNESS. The individual lives in the Light! You don't have to be "Christian" to believe in Jesus and that love and light and the individual are ALL. EVERYTHING!!!!
Just watched the hearing of AG Bar a few days ago and had to watch this clip again professor Peterson was right from the beginning
I’m still having difficulty accepting that such a well read man did not read about the side effects of the drugs he was taking ,
Andrew Trip, I get what you’re saying but someone once said that great men have great flaws. I’m not qualified to say who qualifies as “great,” although I have my opinions. But as far as Jordan Peterson goes, “let’s not throw the baby out with the bath-water.” His several messages re. Free Speech and Personal Responsibility are still valid.
Drugs he was prescribed. Keyword prescribed.
Jordan if your reading, the world needs your guidance as sanity slips away right now
He is so smart. Good reference to use in dissertations on any topic
Absolute legend