The Lindsay Shepherd Affair: Update
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- I'm sure many of you remember Lindsay Shepherd, the teaching assistant at Wilfred Laurier University who was subjected to an unwarranted inquisition after showing a video of me debating Nicholas Matte about Bill C16.
In her statement of claim (which I read in its totality in this video), Shepherd notes that her mistreatment continued unabated at Wilfred Laurier, despite the university's hypothetical apology and offer to mend its ways. She also claimed that she has been rendered unemployable as an academic (a claim I believe, having served on many university search committees, and knowing full well that any whiff of scandal is enough to disquality a candidate entirely).
I talked to her lawyer after reading her claim, and decided that I would also pursue Wilfred Laurier and the professors and administrators directly responsible for this debacle.
I am not convinced that Wilfred Laurier learned what needed to be learned even after being dragged through the national and international press, in what was the biggest scandal that ever hit a Canadian university.
Maybe two lawsuits will help rectify that. We'll see.
NOTE: The allegations in these statements of claim are simply that, at this stage. They have not been tested in a court of law, and cannot therefore be considered proved.
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"It is not correct to say that there's such thing as biological sex." --- makes my mouth drop every time.
I'm surprised Dr Peterson didn't challenge him on that at the time.
A swift kick to the nards would sort that one out. "You were saying?"
A kick of REALITY.
And he's an expert so just take his word even though his statement is sensationally absurd.
jeremyrainman "gender blender" lol
"Its not correct that there is such a thing as biological sex.." How can this person be taken seriously after saying something like this?
PaulTurbo the modern world.
and it can unpack that for you but is not going to because reasons
Because they preface that by saying they are a historian of medicine. Which holds the same weight as a being a wizard of geology..
Con-arts degree holders, subverting science. Political science majors can take Geography intense courses to get a B.S., BAR members hold a Judiciary ARTS degree.
PaulTurbo No no no, it is us plebeians who are too thick to understand THAT level of intellect.
“How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg? Four. Saying that a tail is a leg doesn't make it a leg.”
Abraham Lincoln
That depends on how you define leg. And tail. Classic Peterson maneuver. But I get the point.
@@clementnade972 facts are not maneuvers
@@redWeddings You have to acknowledge that somethings are subjective, like perception. I'm just using Peterson's logic and defenses. As much as I like him and his lectures, he is not as FACT-BASED as you like him to be. He is right about many things, questionable about a few.
The definition of words DO MATTER, in the context of trying to reach a common understanding. We share the same reality, we just have different perceptions, hence we don't have to agree with one another 100%
@@clementnade972 yeah we don't have to agree with one another. Like I dont have to agree to your new definition of something just because you decided it is what I should acknowledge.
Makes sense right? You may disagree, and that's ok...I respect that. I'm not gonna hold a gun to your head or anything 🙂
@@strange63635 Yep. When 2 people argue, which you often see in debates, especially in Peterson's but not limited to him, you will notice that not everyone has the same definition of the same word. So it will save a lot of time and unnecessary tension if people can acknowledge their differences in definition of said word.
For example, the word "racism".
My definition of it, as do many others, include "discrimination".
So to me, of asian heritage, if someone assumes I love rice and I am quick at math, I won't consider you racist, because there's no discrimination. It's stereotypical sure.
Another man who disagrees with me, may simply have a different definition of the word "racism". All these are misunderstanding.
So how many legs does an octopus have? Zero? Or Eight? Doesn't that depend on your definition of leg whether it includes "tentacles"? Calling a leg a tentacle doesn't make it a tentacle, and vice versa.
love this quote: "Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
Yes, evil teaches tolerance towards evil.
"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles." ― Frank Herbert, Children of Dune
These are the principles the left operates on too.
Just like islam
OK but ALL other time {you teach un-tolerance} you are labeling the other side and do so violently as per your righterous assumptions and perceptions [a study found the religious ones are prone to violence much more]. Since you are not omniscient, your perception is faulty and your self promoted enlightened labeling creates not only unfair errors [as in drone attacks] but also future violent reactions by all labeled or hurt and is so violence promoting which is evil. The result is the good is in tolerance or there is no good or good is defined by survivors.
Very apt. Hippy types in the '60s were all for free speech until they occupied the establishment. Now, decades later, they abhor free speech. It's a threat to "their democracy," which is just another way of anyone who disagrees with them needs to be silent.
I am glad Dr. Peterson is taking this to court. This is because his knowledge on the subject and his mastery of debating according to common sense can give the ground for free speech to return to its organic state. Thank you sir.
They wanted to use the law to compel speech, I think it's only fair that he uses the law to compel them to empty their wallets.
Yes, we can only pity the lawyers who get the short end of the stick and are sent to court against Peterson as cannon fodder.
The court of public opinion is more important in some matters than the court of law.
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Ben Weeks mob rule is never a good thing. The legal/justice system is one of the foundations of Western society!! What about that!? Peterson is all about Western society or so he claims!
"Those who can influence you to believe absurdities can also influence you to commit atrocities." ~Voltaire
PunchDrummer niiiice ... ANTIFA - are you listening?
@@glenholmgren1218 oh, but they know that perfectly, that is why they do what they do
@@danil874 .... Wow ... I never thought of it THAT way - but then of course they do.
Evil Commie bastards!
Voltaire predates Marx, can he be a Commie Bastard? Or do you mean the crazy "Rights-IST" defendants who have been caught with their pants down by the intellectual giant that is Peterson.?
@@SimonRichardMasters yeah, only people that tried to implement marx killed hundreds of million. Never heard of killings in the name of peterson implementation, so cut the bs, please
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This entire debacle is beyond incredible. I admire the emotional stamina of both Dr. Peterson and Ms. Shepherd.
"i'm a medical historian" is a fancy way of saying "i'm not a doctor".
You're right. I watch a lot of Law and Order and I'm wondering why the taxpayers aren't providing me with a comfortable living for knowing next to nothing about the law. Isn't that discrimination or sumpin? I should sue...
ABOUT!BLOODY!TIME If there's any lesson to be learned in dealing with these commie SJdubs it's that any apology, mercy, or forgiveness will be seen as a sign of weakness and exploited. The only appropriate course of action is to go FULL SCORCHED EARTH on their asses!!!!
I was thinking Medical Historian could be a fun study, looking at all the ways knowledge of medicine and methods in use changed over time.
Guy is just a blubbering idiot.
Never ever would a person with medical education claim such a thing.
Nor a scientist? Or biologist?
Go Jordan and Lindsay. Lindsay's harassment by the university is horrific, hope she wins her law suit and more.
i want to see the three muppets fired and ridiculed
And rendered unemployable as academics
Piri Reis yes indeed man, but it wont ever fucking happen :/
Realist What are you talking
about? xD
He's just a man, not a demi god, dont ever forget that, for your own best.
Realist most of us viewers on this video like J.P. - but we dont think of him as a demi god!
Furthermore, your name doesnt do you any credit with your unfortunate comments xD
When I first heard 'gender blender' I burst out laughing. That sounds like some weird 80s movie about some dude falling into an arcade machine and coming out a woman or something.
Exactly
As a gender blender I'm deeply offended by the bigots in this thread
That little Truman Capote
HOW. DARE. YOU.
🗣 *Try again back to the 70’s were that term was made popular by the British ‘glam rock’ scene!* ⚖️🎭
"Problematic" "Unpack" "Positionality" "Toxic Climate" Whenever you hear these words... Give your boss the finger... Quit your job and... Run.
I did this exact thing when I worked for a company that sent out an internal email to all staff saying that "management is visibly majority white male and this is problem that we want to work to correct". Given that my only career advancement possibility was into a management position, it was clear that my race and gender were going to be a problem so I quit. So did many other white males. They lost clients as a result and had to let go of many people, including women of colour, because they didn't have work for them. Ironic.
@@bastardowl You just were not good enough. I have seen a lot of your privileged idiots that were the smartest guy in your small town but feel lost in a diverse workspace coz everyone doesn't give you a pat on the back..
@@omarsabih you get what you pay for lol "feel lost in a diverse workplace" do you have kids and do you negotiate your offer letters?
Your diverse workspace is keep wage ceilings low. I'm sure the user you responded to is doing good fucking work somewhere his race and gender don't affect the outcome of his compensation.
It's the 21st century in the real world, anyone plays, long as you're competent. Regardless of all this word play.
Smart lady for recording it, because you can bet that they would band together and deny what they said.
Here is ethan jackson's email. The trans activist attacking Lindsay.
Make sure to send him a line ethanjackson91@gmail.com
@@lesli3jonesg0rillamusiccha62 He is a sick person as it is. Don't encourage it please. He isn't worth it.
@@lesli3jonesg0rillamusiccha62 It s not right to do that. If he is being a dick and you take revenge on him this way, you are sinking to his level, even below. Revenge is tempting but it s not the right way.
@@lesli3jonesg0rillamusiccha62 Not worth atacking him on his email. Or atacking him in general.As much as I don't like the guy that would be harassment
@@DaLoler1 These activists need to start being told what they are doing is not acceptable. They are authoritarian lunatics and no one stands up to them.
They try to ruin peoples lives that disagree with them, well you SHOULD get harassed and told to fuck off for doing that.
Shaming wrong behavior is apparently a time lost tradition. Because it HURTS THEIR POOR POOR FEELINGS.
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
Who is that quote from?
@@MatthewSchellenberg Charles J. Chaput
Bluejay 5701 thank you so much
@@Bluejay5701 A man of culture is here.
That succinctly describes the most governments!
Thank you for coming to the aid of this intelligent young lady. That university is a disgrace to education and I hope future possible students will be made aware of their actions toward their own students.
"As was subsequently ascertained: there had been no complaint at all" so they completely made it up?! wow.
HEY!!! Thats Confidential!
😳
Although SOMEONE must have said something, or how did her bosses get to hear about it?
College completely over-reacted.
I’d want this bright, articulate, rational young lady to teach my son.
World is going mad.
Axe has now swung WAY too far the other way.
We are raising over-sensitive, fragile young people with such unhealthy levels of entitlement now, that it is going to cripple them AND society and workplaces.
Just ridiculous.
@@OldRaver no one complained. It could have been someone just saying. "Today was interesting in such and such class, we discussed this and that" then one of these assholes overheard and decided they would viciously seek out, harass, and abuse Shepard for no reason other than straight up douchebaggery.
These people are ugly and I hope they are no longer in their positions at the University, because this was horrible. Shame on them.
@@OldRaver maybe someone mentioned in a good light and one of the 3 people heard about it and didn't like it
I can't think of anything more terrfying than being sued by Jordan Peterson
Damien Slash - him plus a good lawyer sounds unpleasant to battle
Damien Slash .... 😱😂😂😂😂😭
Damien Slash I wish Ben Shapiro could practice law in Canada and be a part of it haha
You should try a little harder. How about Revenue Canada (or the IRS if you're an American)?
Damien Slash You got that right;
Lindsay Shepherd is a hero to me. Not only is she smart and strong, but she was wise enough to record and then expose her inquisitors. I support her fully and hope you are both redeemed and recompensed in court!
Brosenbrose yes, she nailed those spineless jellyfish to the wall
I hope she and Peterson gets millions and millions of dollars and the fascists get fired.
But the price for that was her life and her carrier path. This "teacher" has nothing to do with academia and it should be expelled. The fact that he learned nothing and still holds the same position angers me.
Oh my GOD, I never thought I'd live to see a day where someone in open tv says there's no such a thing as biological sex in a serious fashion and a university treating a critical thinking teacher like the inquisition would do to Galileo.
You have the freedom to think, well, as long as you think like me. (Insert smile)
Word. Spot on.
saw your profile pic when you said insert smile
Are you really on the side of people who would corner and attack an innocent woman by their own standards of innocence simply because they dont agree with the opinions she was exposing students to that is clearly an evil thing to do and you should feel shame for defending it
You know that they invented emoji's so you can insert a smile?
creeeepy; xD well put.
Love it. When I listen to Lindsay’s recording, simultaneously my blood boils and my skin crawls. Thank god she recorded it.
Damn right! It's so painful and irritating. I seriously doubt this Will change these assholes.
Yeah! Countersued because she had the AUDACITY to record and expose these monsters. "If she hadn't recorded us, Dr. Peterson would not know what we are up to! It's her own fault!" (She weighs the same as a duck! She's a witch!)
NOTE: The allegations in these statements of claim are simply that, at this stage. They have not been tested in a court of law, and cannot therefore be considered proved.
Lawyer friend's quick analysis of Peterson's case:
"He would probably get damages for any personal loss, which in this case would be hard to quantify, but there are methods around that. He might get aggravated damages, which is when the nature of the tort (ie. Injury) was particularly malicious or humiliating. That being said, it was Lindsay who posted the video, so the court might decide that it wouldn't have been a huge deal if it had remained within that room. Punitive damages are awarded in order to act as a deterrent. So, if there is a sympathetic judge who is concerned about Laurier repeating this and the judge wants to punish Laurier, he might get those damages. But they're pretty uncommon. If he can prove that they're likely to reoffend, and if he can prove that this is an ongoing problem, he might have a case for punitive. But he'll almost definitely win something, which sends a statement at the very least. "
Did you hear that the LGBTQ group on campus asked for more security measures and reinforced glass? My guess is that they are claiming that they feel unsafe because of how the situation has unfolded, with the school apologizing. Call them out on being a bully and then defaulting to the victim card to gain sympathy.
Regardless of what happens, it's good that you and Lindsey are championing the resistance to this injustice.
Regardless of proved or unproved within the Canadian judicial system, given the evidence on the table the court of public opinion is bound to rule in your favor. These people are wrong, and their reputations will be rightfully assaulted. Thank you for your good work.
The three clowns claiming the oral highground can utter whatever they choose about another in regard to the reputation and character of another provided that the utterances are true. 3 clowns claiming Hitler = Peterson = 100% defamation express or implied = Wilfred Laurier's price for freedom= personal responsibility for utterances of staff clowns. The outstanding issue in your exploration of possible legal action is one of corporeality. The relationship between Laurier and three staff clowns is of great import.
Corporeality simply being one in the myriad of issues that find their expression under an\the umbrella of utterances beginning with Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God....... express or implied.
I agree with Peterson and Lindsay but 3.6 million and 1.5 million is absolutely insane! People get injured,lose their mobility and do not collect much more than a million off of billion dollar companies. I want them to win and i hope the university settles for low 6 figures but millions of dollars is absolutely insane.
Thanks God Lindsey have the foresight to record the meeting on her laptop. Well done Lindsey. XX
Exactly. Scary how often this is no doubt happening to people who didn't have the means or the courage to record it, or the contacts and support to get something done about it, that we won't hear about
Lol the first thing the transgender study professor said “basically sex is not determined by biology” is freaking bogus. Lol What a joke. His degree and job are both founded on the denial of science.
The irony is that the very act of them making Lindsay cry and further not offer any consolation goes against the very nature of their values, which is to create acceptance, understanding and safe spaces for their students. The snake eats its tail again.
They are a bunch of heartless sociopaths if you ask me
@Barbara Mulvaney What are you even talking about? She's a student too if you didn't notice and she was bullied. According to your logic, it's okay to treat someone like that because they're "adults" and if they cry they're being hypocritical but it's perfectly fine for a turd to call her out for being insensitive even though what she did was anything but?! Why does she have to grow a thick skin while a bunch of snowflakes can't do the same?
They’re trying to protect the feelings of trans people and ignoring the feelings of others in the process
@@SadGuyLuke No, I don't think that was the goal. The goal was to silence and discredit dr. Peterson. They saw Lindsay Shephard as an obstacle because she didn't coöperate. The "protecting the feelings of transpeople" is just an excuse.
Barbara Mulvaney Barbara, look, I may be wrong, certainly have been in the past, but when people who hold some power over your future, abuse that power and place your future in jeopardy, that is an existential threat, and you will respond to an existential threat. Perhaps review some basic biology. To be falsely accused, lambasted, compounds that little issue of existential threat, and adds insult to injury. Such bullying can cause severe acute stress and a momentary reaction, in this case, tears and not having "thick skin".... sure, whatever. My hats off to both Shepherd and Peterson for not taking this lying down.
Lindsay Shepherd was interrogated by the secret police. I have nothing but respect for both you and Ms. Shepherd for your courage in standing up for our rights to free speech and debate.
Thought police.
@@AnnaLVajda Thoughtless Police
And I once considered to emigrate to Canada. I think I will stay in Romania for good, since it seems it will become one of the most free countries in the world simply by doing nothing.
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imagine the relieve you would feel to discover that jordan peterson out of all people is behind you on such a matter. you wouldn't want anyone else.
This cast of Wilfre Laurier characters are the very same people who claim to care about treating people fairly and protecting them from feeling unsafe. They are a just bunch of petty and nasty tyrants.
Rob Landeros but only if you agree with them
The only thing that explains and predicts pretty much everything is when you assume that the only thing they love and protect is their ideology/political agenda/narrative.
Looking at history you can pretty much define a 'tyrant' as a person who claims to want to keep society safe and protect the homeland/ fatherland/ motherland/ workplace/ learning environment from outside threats.
theawecabinet - I doubt you meant this but, by that notion, Trump is a tyrant for wanting to protect the USA.
Or class.
I'm a student at the University of Toronto, and I must say, I'm standing up straight with my shoulders back knowing JP walked the halls.
Romaion He’s not there anymore?
Good for you. I have a BASc and MBA from U of T, i attend alumni events but, their behaviour is offensive.
He's temporarily stopped teaching. The guys a star!
will he be able to get back in to teaching?
@@ribby9069 He's travelling around the globe giving presentations and interviews
Appreciate your efforts here. "We're raising a whole generation who regard facts as more or less optional. And they're being taught that it's important to have views and they're not being taught that it's important to know what you're talking about." -Thomas Sowell
I’m so glad that you made a stand over this mess. I was so distraught over how unethical and unreasonable the interrogation was. Maybe more people will come around as a result though, you never know.
Thank you, Dr. Peterson for all you do, especially helping this young lady.
Dr Peterson, you give many of us hope that the world is not about to sink silently and irreversibly into a moral and intellectual abyss. Keep up the great work. We love you!
sweetcara14 Well said
Moral of the events - Avoid the academia like the black plague. You'd be better off being a plumber, both mentally and financially.
Or we could participate and encourage others to do the same, so the current bs status is not left un-checked. The stance of do nothing could be the desired result of these so-called sjws. Boycotting is a powerful thing and I'd respectfully ask if that's what you might be suggesting we do?
It's almost inconceivable that this happened to Miss Shepherd at a University. You have to wonder how often this like this happen that never sees the light of day.
I'm sure this would not happen to someone who claims the earth is flat.
*Makes moronic claim* "I'm an expert in this field, I could give you a lengthy explanation why this is true, but in the interest of time...I wont".
Flawless, I mean who needs facts and evidence when we can just take your word for it, right?
I am the utmost expert on biological sex because I am a historian on medicine. Lol
Here is ethan jackson's email. The trans activist attacking Lindsay.
Make sure to send him a line ethanjackson91@gmail.com
Steven Stirling:
You’re referring to Peterson?
I won’t review this video, my comment is above, but I have heard him on many occasions referencing studies that while the results “surprised everyone,” they clearly pointed to job choices in the most egalitarian nations (Sweden, is one example) as being rooted in biology-nature and not nurture!
And this he reports and defends-and don’t forget he is every day working to cure the many problems that DO have their origins in nurture, superficial culture! He is after all a working therapist, eh?
Now some would call this a contradiction but persons of good will will see it for what it is-a well balanced man, and a warrior! JWC
In future, I will say this in every job interview.
Steven Stirling:
One builds a boat to get across the river to understanding. It takes a long time to build that boat. But once you are across, the boat is personally superfluous. It may be referred to in one or another professional situation, but personally it is superfluous.
And a talk is not a published paper my friend! JWC
The most infuriating element about this whole ridiculous debacle is that THERE NEVER WAS A STUDENT COMPLAINT TO BEGIN WITH! The three dimwits who interrogated Ms. Shepherd made the whole thing up. I hope Laurier University pays through the nose. What a pitiful institution.
D'amour et de laine what I want to know is the actual reason WHY they did it. What were they scared of?
Traci K they were just pushing leftism.
Wot? Where are you getting this information from?
Don't know if that's the most infuriating part but it is certainly the most bs part lol.
Traci K they were afraid of a different opinion than theirs. And people who fear others that are different are dangerous. It's fine to disagree with others but to fear a different mind set is what they should be against not what they should be showing.
we live in an era where someone reading straight through a legal document can get 2 million views. Awesome.
I know what the next great thing is going to be, reading several legal documents!. (it truly is, but thanks to Jordan who is reading it)
At the point where that meeting became adversarial and the lady began to cry it became a case of workplace harassment and bullying
Remember when universities used to be a place of higher learning?
Not since about the 1960s.
Not really 😅
Key word: used
Yeah, the early 1800's are far gone now.
They are as long as you stay away from the social "sciences" (3rd year in Engineering here)
The *"unpack* *it* *for* *you"* guy will be studied in future universities as an example of what ignorance looks like.
Oh you mean gendersplaining now, so narcissistic traits then?
No. Ignorance is tbe first step of learning. These people refuse to learn. They are far beyond ignorant.
@@chrisparker2118 refusing to learn *is* ignorance.
@@mr_red13 No. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Refusing to learn is stupidity.
@@chrisparker2118 I get your point. Ignorance is implicit in refusing to learn. Denying that is stupid. Change how you argue the place of learning, or refusal to do so, in relation to a state of ignorance because it is an accurate descriptor to the state the fellow was pointing out. You don’t need to defend ignorance, especially inaccurately to make your point.
Jordan Peterson, I'm proud to be an human being because of your incredible work and your ability to speak freely despite all the resistance you meet. 👍❤🇧🇻
This realy boil's my blood, the lack of intelligence, out right lie's and bullying she had to deal with is simply outrageous. I hope her life is one of good fortune now and forevermore.
They actually have a paid professor of trans studies? Lord have mercy...what a waste of a college class.
SETH ANDERSON trans studies
It qualifies them for a cushy University job or a position at a virtue signaling company.
SETH ANDERSON A career in being a pain in everyone's ass.
I could see it if his job were to find a cure, and not to encourage the madness.
Mr Peterson you helped me in my life and I have never met you. Thank you for being extremely brave with so much adversity around you.
There is a difference between education and encouraging thinking. Being able to think is much more important than memorization.
Oh boy, am I glad I'm a pensioner and won't have to live through all this shit for much longer.
Tyranny should be exposed and ridden at all levels... Man I love this guy. Show me where to contribute to the legal fee account. Go get them!
Jethro Cain probably better to support Lindsay as having less funding?
An idea only. Bit cheeky of me to suggest how others use money.
Logos I suppose what I meant was to support both of them - I learned about her tribulations through Dr. P, so I would expect a go fund me to appear from him. No worries. Cheek away. 👍🏻
Ms. Shepherd is shining a light into the snake pit that is academe. The petty fiefdoms established by insecure, and genuinely pathetic narcissists, are poisoning the entire purpose of the Academy.
The very best of luck to you both in taking these deceitful charlatans to task.
What?? Only 19 likes (including mine)? That’s disgraceful.
Well said!
Prospero 058 beautifully writ
An organization built on lies fears the truth.
Is there a law that allows me to sue the people who have taught me about gender issues ? I effectively thought I was a woman at some point... until my godmother put some sense into me and reminded me that I was a man.
I'd like justice for the mental abuse I've recovered from.
+Spiritryptamine What was that like?
@@connormmcinnis Honestly, I was mostly being sarcastic, tough I have thought that I was a woman at some point in my life. I think this is because I've mostly been raised by women. The struggle with my masculinity has always been real, and there's no doubt in my mind that this struggle stems from my education. I don't think that we're supporting young men define themselves in a secure way, which can lead them to same kind of confusion.
The number of ppl who complained is confidential?! It was one. One person.
That’s what we’re supposed to embrace? To shield ppl from any pain or discomfort? How are you supposed to survive this life if you expect to be shielded from ALL discomfort. We are making children weak, confused with a massive sense of entitlement which creates narcissists.
Oh man, she is actually really good at defending herself. I could not even dream of handling such a situation so well.
"i'm a historian of medicine" that just means he reads what others have written about medicine and then writes about what he has read, he is not a scientist or a doctor. He is a humanities instructor.
He’s also a freaking idiot.
Well if he is a true "historian of medicine" he would have came across some literature that explains in detail the differences in sexes & their biological markers...but my guess is he skipped that part cause it hurt his feelings
@@chrisz5z
... and/or his brain ...
Ok, that was slightly harsh of me, as learning the genetics of specific chromosomes, especially sex chromosomes, in humans, is bloody hard stuff, which I had to do in 45min 'bursts' with 15min breaks, otherwise I would have had a subdural bleed ...
... but if I managed to struggle through, so should have he ...
Grow up and get on with life
Excellent point.
The administration and staff of the university that abused Ms. Shepard should never teach again. Winning a lawsuit is not sufficient. These people are the true monsters in this world.
There are "confidentiality matters"???? Someone gets to falsely accuse you and you are not allowed to confront your accuser? Is this a joke?
The sad and shocking fact is that she destroyed any prospect of an academic career for herself as soon as she openly made a stand against these people's unforgivable behaviour; it is importnant that this should actually go to court and not be settled outside, as I am sure the university authorities will attempt to do.
Id hire her in a hear beat! Shes the sort of person in my opinion that would get shit done and not bow to idiots...the recording she made is all she needs for a resume.
I agree the outcome of this would be best in court or at very least a matter of public record rather than a settlement with a confidentiality agreement attached. I don't believe for a second SHE destroyed her career though. They were attacking her before she recorded them otherwise she would never have been in that meeting at all. They influence her education and grades, and her references. They made up complaints. They were already set on destroying her employability. Trying to survive that is impossible if you don't fight back. She'd have struggled to get employment anywhere if she hadn't.
Robin Hard yep
Dr. Peterson, I've been following you for quite a while now, and that's one of the most noble things I've ever heard of ANYONE doing, you co filing a lawsuit with her! VERY very noble sir! I didn't know I could think of you any higher than I already do, you just proved that wrong! I wont ever think that you have no more huge surprises like that for me again! God Bless you and your family sir! Hats off to you!
Leading by example. Get ready to do similar things brother, were gonna have to step outside our busy lives to engage these fukn tyrants. Hopefully they can be defeated without violence.....
Jay Kong ..yes, I was thinking the same thing. It's like they push this BS in hopes of going so far that they back us into a corner where self defence and a fight to the death is our only recourse. The sad thing is that THEY will be utterly destroyed and it is all their own fault. I think they are backed by a spritual evil that can not be reasoned with. We of sound mind and good hearts need to be prepared and plan for defending ourselves and our families. Because it just may come to that, God forbid.
I'm not sure its noble or worthy of praise, even if it is what they deserve.
I’m watching this after facing a similar false accusation against me as Shepherd’s, at place of work ... my research into how to deal with this lead me here. Basically it’s hopeless ... so I’ll be looking for something else in the new year.
I said it once and I’ll say it again: Positionality ain’t a word. You can’t swap suffixes to make yourself sound smarter. You need to learn ACTUAL WORDS to sound smart.
Moral of the story: have the foresight to record the interrogation.
exactly, be smart, be like Lindsay
factssss these mfs will play u... if u dont got ur back no-one does
PROBLEMATIC POSITIONALITY => The most absurd phrase ever used by SJWs
PBonBear “I can understand your position and your positionality” (lol just writing that and is says positionality is spelt wrong, because it’s not a word)
When someone isn't capable of making clear, concise, logical analytic statements, they resort to using excessively complex language to mask the illogical or simplistic nature of their thoughts.
This has become the majority of the content of liberal arts, humanities and social science "scholarship".
Peterson is the "old" university, Rambukana is the "new" university.
True scholarship is almost dead.
Mark Schmidt Dyson!
PBonBear cringy af but sadly I've heard worst
They literally make up words on the fly because they ad-lib faster than their brain can organize the thoughts. Pseudo-intellectuals.
The audio recording from the administrator is so painful to hear. He accuses the student of creating toxicity when he himself is the only one actively propagating a toxic environment. What a coward.
Jordan P is amazing and we love and support him
We are blessed he exists
We are embarrassed for those disgusting toxic and very ill people
Basically........ It's not correct to say there's such a thing as gravity, and... I'm a historian of physics, and I can unpack that for you, at great length if you want, but in the interest of time, I'm not going to.
Michael McCarty hmm, that sounds familiar.
That's... actually right. (almost)
Ha ha that faucker's neck kept trying to escape from his suit the whole interview -- yehck!
I've concluded gravity to be a term to simplify and express measurement/magnitude of the force of dipolar-attraction between an object and it's environment.
To be clear though, despite my own incomplete understanding of gravitational theory, I appreciate where you are going with this 😂
The funny part is one of the long standing universal forces, the nuclear weak force, has been discovered to be the same as the electromagnetic force, and the two are now simply the electroweak force
so
Basically, it's not correct to say there's such a thing as Nuclear Weak Force, and... well see I'm a historian of physics and I can unpack that for you, at great length if you want, but in the interest of time (and the fact that I don't actually know) I'm not going to
Honestly, what happened to Lindsay is any teacher’s nightmare. Bless her.
I hope they get what they deserve and her career to flourish.
Thank u for supporting her
This is beyond APPALLING! What an absolute DISGRACE. No one could make the university look bad; they did that quite well on their own. Wow.
All I can say is “Thank heaven for Jordan Peterson”.
Honestly though... Gender Blender?
Are we living in a South Park episode?
Trey and stone are probably seeing this shit and going "we really can't take it any farther than reality already has".
Apparently so
Futurama episode*
Obviously.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone made it up as a joke, but the processors at the courthouse were too afraid of offending someone that they just let it slide. That's how much critical analysis is allowed regarding this topic these days.
I pray for you, Dr. Peterson. You are a light in a darkened world.
Our boi is recovering.
Free speech means any directions. For or against vegetarians.
None natural/organic ways of making love with human, is forbidden by law. In Latvia. That dies not means, that homosexual masculine or man genders are sinkin police with reports. That means they make step aside the law, without report. And i am one who is very against this kind of making love to woman or man, do i have rights to be against islam, in terms or my believes, that man has to be married to one women, alright, a little "discount" - at a time.
@@jurisembergs9245 Not a justification for telling students that there is scientific proof of the existence of more than two genders. I would say the same thing if they were trying to use their positions at universities that the earth is flat. It should not be given as fact as all the science points to the contrary.
Why pray? Just wish him well rather than calling on your supreme being
So it's been 4 years now. What happened to this lawsuits?
Thank you mister Peterson! Pinned in a letter / 200 years ago, words I'm sure you've read.
"Whilst men are linked together, they easily and speedily communicate the alarm of any evil design. They are enabled to fathom it with common counsel, and to oppose it with united strength. Whereas, when they lie dispersed, without concert, order, or discipline, communication is uncertain, counsel difficult, and resistance impracticable. Where men are not acquainted with each other’s principles, nor experienced in each other’s talents, nor at all practised in their mutual habitudes and dispositions by joint efforts in business; no personal confidence, no friendship, no common interest, subsisting among them; it is evidently impossible that they can act a public part with uniformity, perseverance, or efficacy. In a connection, the most inconsiderable man, by adding to the weight of the whole, has his value, and his use; out of it, the greatest talents are wholly unserviceable to the public. No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
This is where the US needs open party ticket proportional representation in the House of Representatives.
This will allow voters to specifically vote for their side of the issues they can most about, as opposed to just voting for the lesser of two evils, for example:
“The anti-political correctness party”,
“The National Security party”,
“The social justice warrior party”,
“The anti-abortion party”, “The gun rights party”,
“The Space party”, “the immigrant party”, and so forth.
The reason why liberals are getting away with this thought police nonsense is because there are many conservatives in the US who are recent immigrants that want to protect their communities from Republicans who have stated they want to increase deportations. By separating out the Republicans who want to increase deportation into the National Security Party, the otherwise conservative immigrants will now have the ability to vote for a party that follows their values such as in voting for the anti-political correctness party that doesn’t simultaneously endanger them personally with other policies. If the anti-political correctness party wins enough seats (by their proportion of the total vote) then they could form a coalition with another Conservative party (like the gun rights party, which will likely have something like 40% of the seats based on the amount of gun owners the U.S. has) and pass rules such as prohibiting any university that fires a teacher on account of political speech from receiving any public funding, and imposing other sanctions on universities that reprimand students on account of political speech.
Currently, with first past the post voting, politicians are disproportionately afraid of the most extreme voters in their parties, which on the both sides consist of very different kinds of substantially increased policing (on the Republican side there exist many white supremacists; on the Democratic Party’s side there exist the identity politics thought police). Once those voters are backing similarly extreme parties, the middle parties where Americans vote to increase their rights and limit tyranny in all its forms, and otherwise do cool space stuff will then be clearly visible as representing what people actually want to happen.
"The number of people is confidential" ZERO!!!!
Yes, the number is “hypothetical”.
In the U.S. you have a legal right to know your accusers. Of course, that's only in a court of law. In the corporate world, apparently, they can make policy violating every Right enumerated in the Constitution. Don't fool yourselves; this crap doesn't just happen in Canada.
Dude, you're supposed to file legal documents BEFORE they make you wear the prison uniform!
But seriously, I hope you and Lindsay succeed in your suits. What happened to Lindsay was absolutely inexcusable and she deserves recompense. Moreover, the levels of defamation suffered by you and other public figures at the hands of both ideologues and careless media institutions has reached truly epic proportions. Most of these public figures have until recently been content to suffer this abuse without formal response, but I can sense that that general attitude is beginning to change. If your legal action can do anything to make these entities think twice before engaging in such defamation, then it has my full support.
"Well, you get the picture - that's the end of that!", after reading a legal document 1/2 straight! Gotta❤Jordan!
Shepard has to realize that, to truly be happy, she must learn to love Big Brother.
And incorporate NewSpeak
Man, I've heard this awful recording at least a dozen times now and I still can't shake the deep feeling of disgust and anger towards those people. Really hope they get what they deserve.
beardypotatoe agreed, if they'd talked to me like that I'd now be facing charges of assault.
Read the transcript instead, that way you don't have to listen.
beardypotatoe yeah, no one would ever try to talk to me that way. I'd roll them up like aluminum foil
David Fisher same here. If you all could see me and I'm sure you too, they'd be like don't f with those dudes lol
Trying to find logic where there is none will drive anyone mad. 😂
The irony of a doctrine theoretically designed to protect people’s dignity used to destroy someone’s dignity.
First I have ever heard of this. Lindsay says, "How many people were affected? One?" Incredible what pathetic people are in academe.
Hold them accountable every single time, all the time.
They lied and said there were complaints. If you have to lie to prove your case you have no case.
True. It was determined that not one student complained.
ruclips.net/video/81f748gBaTs/видео.html
@Sun Tzu II I hope work is better now for you
@The Truth of the Matter Yea sorry I realized =P I actually found out in an interview :) She said some students had been talking about it, and then some LGBT spokesman who had not attended the class took it upon themselves to make a complaint or something like that. So no one in the class room actually made a complaint.
ruclips.net/video/81f748gBaTs/видео.html Here's the link to the whole interview.
Even if there were complaints with what he is saying, as long as he isn’t advocating violence against a particular person, those complainers should compete with his ideas by explaining to him why he is factually incorrect as opposed to relying on administrative restrictions being used against him.
It is more than ironic that those who have viciously oppressed Lindsay for demonstrating "intolerance" are they themselves the least tolerant life-forms on the planet
That - is unfortunately quite common. When attempting to suppress or avoid something ideological to an extreme, we often or perhaps invariably wind up becoming the very thing we are attempting or claiming to to oppose.
Exactly
great point!
SO TRUE!!! When we talk about respect for each other.. that is the bottom line.... for people to USE this as a basis to attack one another... just tells me they are a) not secure in themselves.. and b) are ACTUALLY the ones who are the abuser. To be gay is a choice... but to Force another, when really the intention [the MOTIVE -- what I believe Jordan was talking about here and needed stated about..] Is to Dominate another so that the accuser can FEEL free and accepted.. IS the SAME as an ABUSIVE Dominating Person in an Unhealthy relationship.. which We SEE happening .. What is ACTUALLY happening in the political arena.? Has anyone ELSE noted, noticed, this? So everyone talks talks talks...argues argue argues... but are we REALLY ADDRESSING the TRUE Problem underlying this? What is REALLY GOING ON? Why this Diversion for us to mob over, and end up not paying attention to What does really need to be guarded against? We need to be careful here, and observe, and act on That. Boy, if anything.. we need to pray for guidance and protection... and for healthy and stable heads to prevail.
Classic case of demonizing your ideological target, thus justifying a double standard. Shepherd was no longer worthy of treatment reserved for other humans, she was painted as a bigot alt right monster and then bushwhacked as such. To call Peterson similar to Hitler is like calling Ann Frank a Nazi.
The fact that anything even approximating such a concept of a "Campus Wellness Center" actually exists is horrifying in and of itself... 😑
The story takes about 20-25 minutes to read or so and it's easy to see it as one event in our minds but in reality it dragged out over multiple months it must have been hell for her. I know I would have been extremely anxious
11.30 the fact that the university, compared peterson to adolf hitler when speaking with lindsey shepherd, in unbelieveably offensive and a lie, and it was genius of her to secretly record the interview as nobody would have believed her otherwise.
@sWord smith Definitely slander and defamation......
Smart women
The nonchalant comparisons to Hitler never cease to disturb. Do those people even know what happened in the twentieth century?
No they don't.
My honest question is this- Am i the only one who thinks it's possible to neutrally play a speech clip by Adolf Hitler?
That, to me, also seemed like an entirely reasonable thing to do at a university. Hiding information is no way to help anyone.
BeardoE 3000 No, if you do that then you are blatantly taking Hitler's side, which makes you LIT-ER-ALLY Hitler.
+Eric Hurdle
_Do those people even know what happened in the twentieth century?_
No. They are every bit as ignorant and they are arrogant and malicious. They reached their positions not through scholarship, but through political dealing.
As a person who has taken one semester of botany I can guarantee you that there is such a thing as biologic sexes. If this is who they graduate as Medical History, the degree needs to be abolished and the University needs to revoke all tuition ever collected for such courses.
These people are either insane or evil or both. How can we let this happen and how do they get in position of power over our children.
This interrogation / bullying session is no easier to listen to the second time around. Still absolutely disgusting. I'm genuinely upset that this is what universities are becoming.
The way Shepard was treated was far worse than someone not referring to someone by their preferred pronoun. This affects her educational achievement and future and is extremely stressful, besides the ganging up on her and the way they spoke to her. Ironic that those who are obsessed with opposing people on the fringes of Society being "Offended", whether offence is intended or not, or whether it is reasonable for those people to take offence, care little about the way they treat anyone who dares to engage in wrong think and does not conform to their dogma.
Judging by his shirt, Jordan is preparing to confront the chaos of invisible walls, an invisible rope, and an unseen ladder while eating an invisible burger.
Russian Sailor attire I believe... I'm thinking it signifies the bringing of his inner warrior to bare... ;p
I'm lovin' it
not to mention wind storms
A CAnadian in PAris
Mime is Money.
I'm in Jamaica and I'm sharing your ideas with people because I see what's coming.
What's happening with this case? There hasn't been an update in years. Are they still pursuing it?
I do sincerely hope JBP heals up and comes back stronger and healthier than ever!
It is sucha toxic environment, he did his part. He also cashed out and i hope he enjoys the money made doing his part.
@@Geoduct123 He ended up just like "the narrator" in Fight Club....in the psych ward on meds.....I know this because Tyler knows this.....lol
he will lose his wife, so i think it will take time
@@deadmike2 What do you mean by "he will lose his wife"?
@@pk-fi1ok cancer
Thank you Dr. Peterson for fighting the good fight.
He's fighting to make more money...and you're more than happy to be a useful idiot for Peterson's aspirations and triangulations.
"I under stand your positionality..."
Need more JP these days. Although I still learn a lot just rewatching his stuff that’s been out for a few years now.
His logic and reason is soothing despite the outrage you feel at the morons that stand against him.
Good. They lied in order to bully an innocent person within their power. They deserve this.
Sad part is this is going at ALL institutions, as we type.
They deserve far worse
+thequantumvacuum
Well calm down, it's not like they murdered someone... Their behaviour was abhorrent and they deserve to be dragged to court for it, but let's keep a sense of perspective here, shall we? This is a pretty good punishment.
ScienceTube these people are seeking to destroy the culture of the west. They have already become violent. Continue to sleep if you want, but it's war.
Woke Watch it might seem that way but it's really not. Thankfully.
There have been a couple of attempts to put a number to these infected universities. Both figures I have seen are pretty low (I can't recall exactly but I think it's sub 10%). It's just that we only hear about the crazies.
Busted. If she doesn't win, there is no honor or justice.
The worst part is that she presented it as a debate. We must not even speak of things that offend some people.
I watched this at nearly double speed and still kept up... I’m wasted...