I think it's a mix of all three, sm is known for treating their foreign idols poorly, and with Giselle's scandal, it's easier to treat her poorly on camera because alot of people don't like her and can justify sm's behavior as some sort of weird justice
What about Ningning? She’s Chinese.. she’s getting the same treatment as Karina/Winter but guess what it wasn’t the same at the beginning Ningning and Giselle were receiving less appreciation because of their weight (I didn’t even realize until ‘fans’ mentioned at the beginning) ridiculous imo they look normal for me. I realized after Ningning loss weight (which again it was the fans who pointed it out cause to me she was the same) she was being more appreciated and receiving the same treatment as Karina/Winter. But Giselle is different after being body shamed I feel like she became less confident (just compare her debut fancam and the last ones) she performs different than before and you can tell she tries to hide her face. That’s not the Giselle I knew and love from the beginning (yes she’s also my favorite member) her raps deliver so much confidence in MVs but when she performs on TV is different, is not her. I blame the stylist and SM for this. She doesn’t deserve this treatment a part of me wishes she would quit and join another company that appreciates her talents 😪
@rftg1793 Ningning does get treated poorly but more secretly and is less obvious because people really like her and will defend her, so it's harder to get away with being xenophobic to her publicly
@@rftg1793ningning is a chinese favourite (shes won singing competitions in china and shes well known), her singing is powerful hence she gets slightly more favoured, better outfits to impress her fan base
Aespa is such a conundrum. How 2 members can be SO Popular and have consistently viral fanam's while Ningning and Gisele share like a view and a half. Honestly fans pretend to be innocent but I think she disappears because fans don't find her pretty enough by western or Korean standards and she's not enough of a troublemaker to be hated.
Giselle didn't choose be born to be half Japanese and half Korean. Its obviously out of her control. Therefore, IF she IS receiving resentment from the Korean populace due to that its actually sad but it is what it is. We still love her regardless. Lets go GiGi!
@@max-jj1eyand you chose to forget that she apologized, no one cares if she said a fkn word, she mocked my culture too and i’m indian and idgaf, i have black friends too and they don’t care about that stupid n word controversy, i love giselle
@@lovinu4everr I get what you mean, but your comment seems very dismissive and excusatory. What she did was wrong and she did apologize, but that doesn’t mean what she did was okay.
went to synk hyperline in london, and most of the people we spoke to were actually giselle biased which was very refreshing to see. during her solo me and bf were SCREAMINGGG TO HYPE HER UP we love her so much
The mistreatment is real. but she is getting more popular and becoming more visible appearing solo at fashion events and being Loewe ambassador. Don't think it's because of the mouthing controversy because that's old news and knetz don't care about that as much like you said. She holds her own in the group with good personality, visuals, and ability.
Oh. That's interesting. I didn't know Giselle was ambassador for the Spanish luxury brand LOEWE. That's good news. I wish Giselle best luck branding LOEWE.
What’s even more messed up is that it’s 4 members LITERALLY 4 and as you said it will maybe be seen as forgivable if it was Nct because they literally have 26 members (i think) but Aespa only has 4 members none of her mistreatment is a mistake these brands and company’s do it on purpose and it’s so heart breaking because even tho Giselle has done some problematic things in the past their are idols who have done worse and get treated better then her
The thing with NCT is that they are divided into units and do full group comebacks like once every year or so. They have no excuses with Aespa, a 4 member group treated like a 9 member group or something.
I just find it ironic that Giselle had and STILL has the highest views on her Synk trailer where she’s spitting bars in three languages the entire time- had people anticipating this Giselle chick, only for SM to fumble and completely dismiss her and push Karina out. To this day, Giselle still doesn’t have a FULL rap verse to herself to showcase her abilities. It’s sad
as a black women, the Giselle nword situation was so embarrassing (sorry to go off on a tangent with your video). like what she did was so very wrong but i’m so sure someone got fired that day bc the way the scandal could’ve been easily avoided if they just edited the clip out 😭
just like the video with haechan from NCT smoking in the background of their dance practice video?? Like...??? It's pretty clear that the people in SM take very little care with what they do. They seem flippant about everything. It's not that hard to EDIT a video especially when that's their JOB???
Giselle's "disappearance" has more to do with the attitude of SM's own employees than with discrimination from the public. When she debuted, I attributed that "disappearance" to her obvious differences of dance skills with her classmates (because she was a trainee for less time) but when she improved, I noticed that the company continued to give her the worst wardrobes and made "mistakes" when promoting to Giselle. Currently, she is being "washed out" of her by giving her makeup and wardrobe similar to Karina. There's an interesting theory that Giselle's stepfather is Lee Soo-man and SM employees are "disappearing" her because they consider her a nepo-girl.
I agree with you but I do think a lot of American ppl would find Giselle attractive, and she has had surgeries to fit into the Korean beauty standards more closely
Highly doubt she's LSM stepdaughter. The previous rumor surrounding her was that her aunt was secretly LSM's gf. Now she's suddenly his stepdaughter? Sounds like just another made up rumor to justify her mistreatment. It's likely just SM's crappy, crappy mismanagement that's been plaguing the company for actual decades now, but it turns out worse for Giselle since she's foreign AND the least popular member. SM is actually losing tons of staff rn due to the company going to 💩 since the Kakao buyout last year. Lots of their established, popular acts are leaving the company. It's not looking good for SM, tbh.
There’s also the possibility that SM does it on purpose so that Giselle gains “pity stans.” This is similar to what happens to idols like Liz, in which people feel bad for her because she gets less lines, screen time, etc (which was proven incorrect once people dug deeper into it) so people give her more attention and Stan her
That's silly. Were they trying to get Yuta and WinWin pity stans all those years? Sometimes it's not even the company, it's brands too. You can see it with RIIZE where they give every member a line to say but Shotaro in promotional material.
possible, but knowing its SM, i highly doubt it. im not sure if youre an sm stan or just someone who happens to know a thing or two, but SM doesnt have the best rep when it comes to taking care their foreigners idol. look at nct, riize, etc. and not only their foreigners idol, but i think some of their korean idols too (ex: exo (cmiiw), red velvet)
yeah, no. Highly unlikely. SM doesn't care about their artists. Even the ones that bring in good money sometimes. I've been stanning some of their artists since 2016 and I can tell you that ANY artist under this company will tell you that it sucks ass. Just recently I think, a fan told Wendy from Red Velvet that they want to join SM and she literally told them: "NO!" The same thing happened with Kun from NCT too and he said, "There are better places." There's a reason SM has gotten sued by their own artists multiple times and still continues to get sued. They never learn. Besides from that, they are notorious for treating their foreign artists even worse. There are multiple theories out there that says "SM never wants to let their artists grow bigger than them." aka "SM wants to be more powerful and more popular than their own artists." This theory is true. Whenever there's a scandal (true or fake ass rumours) SM will literally leave their artists to be picked apart like cotton and let the public destroy them. Also, seeing as Giselle was the least popular member from the start, there's 0% chance they are gonna put in any effort to market her properly or help her get "pity stans." They've put 90% of their money into Karina and Winter (koreans) and couldn't care what happens to anyone else. Sorry, harsh truths.
I liked this video very much because I do agree that Giselle's mistreatment needs to be talked about more. There's a lot of evidence of Giselle being neglected by SM, and Korean brands and fans since debut (a year before her mouthing the nword and apologizing for it) and that trickled down into international fans because it's hard to bias someone you don't see enough of - there was significantly less fansites of Giselle from debut when compared to her members and that was huge blocker in potential new fans getting to support her in the early days. Giselle's lines in Black Mamba were basically non-existent and that trend followed her throughout her career so far in their title tracks and title tracks are the most important thing in kpop because that's where the music video is and casual fans and non-fans all tune in and find their favorite members and moments from that so Giselle got a lack of exposure from the very beginning. Also during debut there were a lot of malicious rumors about Giselle's past, her family background, and how she got into SM - all of which has now been proven wrong by Giselle herself last year during Drama's promotions but the problem is it's 3 years too late... SM failed her so bad, they should've cleared up these rumors when it started and put out a statement about taking legal action.
But it isn't all bad, Giselle has been making her name in the fashion world lately and brands have been going crazy over her - she manages to gain and maintain popularity while being the member who gets the least from her company. It's kinda impressive tbh she has a start power about her but I really wishes she gets the treatment she deserves in the near future
Tbh, I feel like she started out pretty ok with lines, its since like Girls and such that the lines got fewer and fewer with each cb. I was hoping it would be different for their Japanese debut Hot Mess but naturally no.
i’m so glad i saw this video because nobody would explain giselle’s “scandal” to me, they just kept calling her racist said she said the n word as if she actually spoke it in a song, but accidentally mouthing a word is so much different than saying it when you’re performing a song. i felt bad that i tried not to support her in any way always wishing the others and complimenting them and acting like she didn’t exist.
Kpop fans throw around the word racism like it's a very insignificant thing these days but the fact of the matter is what Giselle did was ignorant given the context, she had no malicious intent towards anyone from mouthing lyrics to a song and she rightfully apologized. Kpop stans have been using this as an excuse to continue hating on Giselle and neglecting her just as SM wanted since debut
Racism is an overused word and a trigger for easily triggered people. Most enlighten people don't automatically attached racism moniker to a person without any context. You can screw up, but unless it comes with a pattern of behavior, then it is a weak argument. You can feel or have opinions as much as you want, but it doesn't automatically make it fact.
I do feel like the agency has a big part of this. They don’t really market/promote Giselle properly. I heard from a subreddit that there is a higher management in SM that discriminates Japanese people (allegedly) because one of his ex-gf was Japanese (?) Any SM stan also know that they treat foreign members poorly especially Japanese members
also, recently a LARGE twitter account posted that K-netz are praising aespa's glow up and they completely cut out giselle in the befor AND after even tho she looked stunning when she wasnt cut out..its crazy to me
I’m grateful that more and more people like you are starting to talk about things like this. I’ve been a fan of Giselle for a long time and it def hurts when you can’t even see your bias on promotional/brand photos 😢
It just makes me wonder why did they add her in if they’re going to constantly exclude her. She’s pretty, she can sing, she’s improving her dancing, she can write and dabbles in producing songs. She has (had) appeal to the western audience by how she speaks English and can appeal to the Japanese market. Idky they keep acting like she’s a burden or the member they added for filler
About the n-word and Giselle proficiency in English. I find it very amusing when k-pop stans believe that their rich and privileged idols would be racially educated because they went to an international school in Asia. Guys, come on. People in America misuse this word, do you think that a half-Korean half-Japanese rich girl who was educated in a Catholic school in Tokyo would be educated in the history and sensibility of the n-word? If this is your expectation, then racism should've been resolved by now.
This, it's so out-of-touch and US-centric imo. Like yeah, the word has an awful meaning and should never have come out of Giselle's mouth, but at the end of the day, someone who learned English fluently from a Catholic school in Asia (not even at an American school) is not necessarily going to be educated on the word's full cultural and historical dimensions, especially when it's a word that, in spite of its violence, comes up so frequently in music and general pop culture. Understanding all the nuance behind this word and who can/cannot use it already requires a pretty sophisticated knowledge of American racial history and post-Civil War race relations, which I would not expect a foreign idol who dropped out of school to have. I mean, do all the Americans who are getting this upset have a survey knowledge of the history and demographic tensions of every other country? Most of these fans don't even know more than one language lmao. Which is not to defend Giselle's usage of the word; like again, it's bad, but she sincerely apologized, brought attention to her mistake publically, and hopefully learned (and taught others!) through her mistake. Going so far as to say "she can't possibly recover from that" just reinforces a really unproductive and uncritical form of cancel culture
I really REALLY love your hair. The colour and the volumn. Also, loved the commentary. SM really treats their foreign idols awful. It's a wrongfully normalized thing😐
I recently got into Aespa and feel like they will be my new obsession after BP. I also started getting into Ive. These two 4th gen groups are really talented and I will follow them. I didn't know about Giselle's mistreatment, actually I thought that she is the most hated member due to her background-being rich, but I think that as soon as the group gain more popularity this will change because everyone will get attention from the public.
I'm white, too, but there is a definite difference between singing along with a song with the N word, and dropping the N word at someone. Both are bad, one is based in ignorance, the other in hate. My theory is that she is considered less attractive by korean standards plus some of these other reasons.
It's not because of giselle being half japanese!!! in korea people are equally racist and hateful towards china too, so it does not make sense that thats the reason people were leaving giselle out of the group. It was probably to get the group attention or maybe the company is bullying here for a certain reason. we do not know but saying shes being left our for being half japanese when ning ning is full chinese is laughable. not hating you!!! I just wanted to share that as someone who has been back and forth to south korea with korean friends and a partner, from my experience I always here a random racist comment about the chinese even when china has nothing to do with our conversation. your talk about korea being under japanese control is all great so I applaude you for that but there is also a deep hatred being korea and china historically too. so saying giselle is the only member being ignored for her being half japanese is 99% false.
I remember tweeting this on Stan Twitter ages ago post beauty campaign Beauty company: right, we have a girl group and they are endorsing our brand. Let's give Karina and Winter a wonderful background. Let's give the Chinese member a plain pink background Company worker: sir, there's 4 members Beauty company: what?? Is she Korean? Company worker: no Beauty worker: okay. Just throw something together
When I started getting into kpop I was a massive BTS fan and my bias was Jin, and I kept getting angry because this kind of thing where one individual photo was missing, or someone was cut out it was always Jin. Then I got into Blackpink and biased Jisoo, and she was also the one that had similar things happening to her. So my theory now is just that they overlook the least biased people in the groups in order to gain more attention by promoting the most liked members (it would make sense since Jin and Jisoo had the least stans at the time, and if I’m not wrong it is also Giselle’s case)
When I first got into kpop I never noticed the discrimination towards certain foreign idols because my ult groups at the time was TREASURE, TWICE and BLACKPINK and it was confusing when I learned about the whole discrimination thing because those groups have foreign members but everyone loves them so much like- Lisa, Haruto and Momo are foreign members but they are one of the most popular and most biased members in the group! It's just interesting how certain groups and certain companies treat their foreign idols 🤔 I think Jyp and Yg are much better at promoting them then Sm is, because even in NCT there has been weird discrimination going on 😾
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someone at sm is def out to get her cuz why was that kept in an official video. also i feel like part of the reason why knetz don't like her is because of toxic beauty standards. i think shes pretty but i don't think she fits the kbs as much as the other members so she often gets body-shamed and called like the "visual hole" which is rude asf
I think giselle was trying to emphasise the fact that she wasnt saying it hence the lean in and showing her teeth shut but it completely backfired and she should have just done nothing. she then just apologised because that was the narrative everyone decided to run with wanted to clarify shes not that type of person. She is fluent in english and has mentioned she has a diverse friend group in combination with what we have seen of her personality I highly doubt that she would intentionally say it. If it was any other group or idol it would have been a different story but since aespa was a major threat to other ggs at the time and ppl decided she was "ugly" and a "dozen" (neither of which are true) it caused a hate train so bad she lost all her confidence and in an interview asked her future self is she was still alive. This is just my take on this situation, could be wrong but thats what I pieced together. I think it was just blown out of proportion
As a black my i was disappointed in giselle...because even the members who couldn't speak English didn't say it but she apologised and im sure after the bkacklash she learnt her mistake and i forgive her
i have been a my since the first teaser pic, giselle was the last member revealed (pretty much immediately after ningning) and everyone (at least the english speaking fandom) was pretty much too caught up with ningning to notice her, and the ones that DID were immediately calling her predebut pics ugly and iirc the talk of the town for like 2 weeks after she was revealed was her getting surgery lol
4:46 the thing is its lyrics and if your fav song is playing your just singing how you remembered it,i am black myself and i have so many white friends who accidentally say it when singing nichi minaj,sza,cardi b, megan thee Stallion etc. It's very common,she was probably just in her moment singing because as she stayed it was one of her favorite artist, ahe probably just got carried away while singing,this is just my opinion tho ❤
Yes but also I feel Giselle has a lot of backing vocals. For example the bridge in Black Mamba. She’s definitely the backbone of the group idk why she’s so pushed back
imo it's getting better, ppl are recognizing Giselle more and everything. I'm just happy for the four of them finally be receiving the recognization they need. And I'm also happy for mys to stop caring only about one of them and start talking about them all. When you see a video of aespa, the comments are majority about Giselle, how she's good, how she's beautiful and etc. So I really don't care about this nowadays
and to this day, kpop stans says giselle is a nepo baby and got into SM because of her rich parents or her supposed connection with soo man. if she really was a nepo baby, she'd easily be the best treated in the group but kpop stans aren't ready for this conversation
I don’t think her mouthing the n word was a major reason for her mistreatment, I believe it made her mistreatment more passable. If I’m correct then she was always treated worse than the other memebers from debut as people believed that she didn’t deserve to debut and rumours in Korea of her being a mean girl, the fact she is Japanese didn’t help either.
I take Giselle with a grain of salt ever since the slur incident (I'm a black female) and the apology was half-ass in my opinion especially because she speaks english so fluently... but I did notice the treatment of her compared to the other members and it may be a combinations of the points you've made plus maybe her being called a "visual hole" at some points (just stating what I've seen netizens say) Love the video tho, clear and precise thoughts and opinions 🙌🏾
Not necessarily defending what she did, but "speaking English" fluently is a far cry from being familiar with another country's controversial history. She didnt live a day in the US, and I wouldnt be surprised if her high school didnt cover more than a chapter about American black history. Sure she attended an international school, but this is Japan we're talking about - where they even sweep 80% of WWII under the rug. Like for example, how much do you think the avg American knows about the Ainu in Japan?
Yeah, I agree with the contents of the other reply and I am taking your view point into account. I was disgusted when I learnt of the racism incident (as I did with finding out about many other similar ones not to do with her) but I hope that now she's been to America and met her fans and learnt something about other cultures, she won't make the same mistake. Maybe that's just wishful thinking but I do see that she should/ it would be good for her image to have shown some progress with her education on other races and the mistreatment of black people in history. I understand that still not everyone will forgive her and that's reasonable. However, if we are talking about Giselle as a person or image, I try to treat people fairly when talking about social issues such as discrimination, which she has definitely faced. I agree that her actions were wrong and most backlash she got and is getting is deserved, however sometimes people take it too far. Just because she's been racist doesn't mean you also be racist, and some fans don't realise that.
@@KY-jd1nl true, it's just that she seems really up to date with both western trends and mannerisms so one would have expected her to know this. Oh, and Koreans know what the word means, and they know they shouldn't say it, even without history lessons. I don't need history lessons to NOT call an East Asian person "Ching Chong. "So..for the time that Giselle was in Korea..shouldn't she have known? .Then again, she mouthed it in a song and didn't say it directly so...idk.
@@gtcha-wp6ir do you have actual data for that? Just asking bc I taught English in Japan for 3 years, and the Japanese teachers who were my coworkers for example wouldnt have known. Not English, but I also remember them having no clue what "adios" meant when I threw it out casually which honestly shocked me at the time. And "ching chong" is not a good comparison imo, its literally gibberish in mandarin and is a word English users came up with to make fun of the sound of Chinese/asian language - theyre not actually attempting to speak mandarin. You dont need to know what it means in mandarin bc it doesnt mean anything. In fact, if you called a Chinese person (someone who never lived in the US) a ch*** or ching chong, they wouldnt even be offended bc they dont know the context or meaning (saying this as someone with immigrant parents)
@@gtcha-wp6ir do you have data for that jw? Asking bc I taught English in Japan for 3 years and my Japanese coworkers (also teaching English) wouldnt have known. Not English, but I remember being shocked they had no idea what "adios" meant when I threw it out casually. Something I thought was obvious and had high exposure was in fact, not. However, I dont think ching chong is a good comparison in this case bc it's actually not Mandarin and means nothing. Its a term that was created by non-asians to make fun of the sounds of the language, and not an attempt to actually use any legitimate words. In fact, if you went over to China and called someone there (without any living experience abroad) ching chong or the other ch-slur, I would bet over 98% would not be offended bc they would have no idea what that means/it means nothing to them without the contextual knowledge. You dont need to know what it means bc it means nothing (and saying this as someone with immigrant parents). Not to mention, "the time that she was in Korea" would probably be a very short time considering her training period was 11 months. Highly plausible she would not have received exposure or education regarding American history/culture.
Ok i have a thepry and im actully pretty convinced that its really the reason: it all come down to visuals. Its horrible to say, as i personally believe thta Giselle is a beautiful girl, but i believe that netizens just dont like her visuals. Ive read thousands of people calling her a visual hole in aespa (which, lets be forreal, its one of the prettiest group out there) and that hed visuals did not match the groups one and for this reason a lot of knet started hating her. I als9 believe that being half-japanese, with a very western humor/vibe, being the only one that didnt showcaxe vocals during their early era and was the worst dancer played a significant role, but nothing will compare to how much netz care about an idol visual. Its the same reason why Sana, Mina and Momo are loved (especially Sana) while Chaeryeong (a korean, from Itzy) was hated.
The issue was also the fact that she signed to SM entertainment. SM has a history of just not really treating any of their foreign idles really well we know this because like most of the Chinese idols that they have who have left have talked about the mismanagement, the mistreatment how crappy it was. In terms of her ethnicity, the crazy thing is even if she had been raised in Korea. People would still see her as Japanese and I think it’s crazy. They’ve been other half Korean half Japanese idols that I think of his name starts with a K I forgot what it was but he was in a 2nd/3rd group , and he grew up in both countries and yet he was always seen and promoted as being Japanese and it was funny because his Korean was fluent and it was really good and people would always commented him on it and he would always say yeah I speak with my mom he just sat there and told my mom’s Korean or when he would talk about how he would spend summers in Korea and visiting his grandparents here and his cousins and things. Even like other people who are Korean, but may have been born in Japan and raised there like Kiko known K-pop industry for dating GD At one point people genuinely forget she’s not ethically Japanese at all she’s half Korean half European if I’m correct or Australian. She’s some kind of white and Korean mix but she was born in Japan. She’s done things where she’s talked about when she’s visiting and it is to be there and experience, the culture and the food and stuff and how her Korean parent had talked about some of these foods being foods that they look like growing up and eating and stuff like that. And yes, Japan has been really crappy things in the past and so has China if you think about it when it comes to Korea in general and it’s one of the reasons why Korea has such really strain relations with both countries, which is understandable, but I still think it’s weird that they’re willing to take talent from those two countries to bring to their own debut as artist and things and some of them blow up to be huge Whenever there’s just the smallest of an issue that will be Weaponized against them and the companies do nothing which is what I think is the biggest issue. Gisselle is being used for her talent when it suits them, but nothing more nothing less NingNing is being used for her talent and the foothold that she gives their group in China nothing more nothing less. It’s crazy how companies especially ones like SM entertainment who consistently will go to these countries to scout people to join their company will sit there and see them more, they can use primarily for a inside of that which is what I think it is most of the time. And I’m always happy when I see Asian because I feel like whenever you have someone who does pointed out who is Asian because I definitely have people sit there and tell me I’m insane for pointing out certain things like that and it’s like I don’t think you understand as someone who is mixed as someone When had her initial scandal the company handled it very poorly in my opinion with not saying anything at first not having someone monitor that video before putting it out there then leaves me to believing that I genuinely think that someone in the company saw that and they did not care so they purposely put it out there and it wouldn’t be the first time that that has happened to a foreign idol Because people come from their own company. And then they went about which I think was only on Twitter I think also affected the way some people saw it. And I personally think it’s funny because I’m a fan of like NCT and there is at least two members of NCT who have done the exact same thing she did which is singing along to song by black artist that had the N-word in it, and they were mouth the word, never did. The video still exist on the Internet, but as entertainment never said anything about it. The fans sat there and pointed it out, and then they had hordes of other fans that are way too invested and critical, thinking skills or being able to understand people can make mistakes it’s just them owning up to it. That fans would want trying to defend those members and again the company never said anything about it. There was never an apology. There was never a statement there wasn’t even like a half, like that, they said, and you saw the camera wasn’t close enough or whatever. Also, I feel like as far as SM is concern she is the filler member. Not in terms of her talent because she is talented, but in terms of what they’re trying to who they’re trying to push. NingNing is extremely talented. She technically had somewhat of a singing career before she even joined the company yet the company doesn’t push her at all either not as much as they could unlike they do with the twoKorean members which I think makes sense. I also must say it’s nice to see when other people outside of people point this out because I’ve definitely seen people have arguments whether it’s with myself or others when we point this out. It’s like we understand more than you would think we might not be celebrities or idol, but you can clearly see the difference between, mixed race idols are Korean or idols who are fully foreign and how they get treated by the companies, especially if they get into like a scandal or something fairly early on in their career or just in general how different the company will go about it compared to the Korean members.
As a boomer kpop fan and someone who has stanned mostly sm groups ( and ones with foreigners in it ) i think SM is by the the most xenophobic company compared to YG and JYP. As far as they are concerned when it comes to foreigner members they look at them as the eternal side dishes to the korean members who are the main dishes. It doesn't matter how talented or charming they are. The discrimination is even more blatant when the foreign member is objectively the best looking member ( winwin) or the best singers ( ningning ) or is a diamond all rounder type ( ten). It becomes nonsensical to the point that you have to believe it to be extreme prejudice and bias.
The thing is that Koreans allegedly (not trying to get hate) hate south East Asian too (mostly Filipinos I think and I still don't know why) and Chinese people too but they have a "rule" that despite if they hate e/o (Korean people and Chinese people) they'll hate Japanese people more (this is not a generality btw but because of the historical nature of their complex relationships) that would explain why they are harsher on Giselle than on 2Ning and maybe that because she is HALF also contributed seen as a "treason" of some sort like why would a Korean woman marry a Japanese man when she can marry in her own country etc... also Momo, Sana and Mina do get hate. Not to Giselle extent I think but they go hate for doing a live speaking Japanese and Sana literally got bullied because she talked about the emperor of Japan or something like that on their Japanese Instagram and people started hating on her. I don't remember the details and if she went on a hiatus bc of that but yeah... they kind of got their fair share although I am not that knowledgeable. For Giselle's case, what I said is purely speculation bc what do I know 😭
I would totally understand if the criticism came from her controversy from 3 years ago but unfortunately she was already being excluded/disliked even before that had occurred. Netizens have always been talking about how she is a visual hole (which I personally do not agree with at all) and also have been making xenophobic remarks on the side. The hate wave later on made it so much easier for people to discriminate against her or harass her in any form. Not to forget that she seemed to have lost confidence (+ with her also being the least trained member) she would make noticeable mistakes on stage. I do think that the situation has definitely gotten better since she has improved greatly and has been getting better styling choices which made her stand out a bit more but unfortunately the mistreatment hasn’t ended yet as she is still (occasionally) being excluded. SM's director/coo was allegedly exposed multiple times for sharing/reposting/liking every promotional post for various diffrent members, yet Idols like Giselle, Yuta, ect. where nowhere to be seen. Mise en scene has allegedly "forgotten" to post her individual photos multiple times and once they were called out they posted an already existing photo without her holding the product while the other 3 members had new pictures taken. I'm not even gonna get to the styling choices, haha. Lmk if you think I'm reaching )))
there is also the rumour that she is the niece of one of the girlfriend / wife of the CEO of SM. That's why she is hated by knetizens. She trained in SM for only a few months before debut. But yeah i don't know why they treat her like that. Maybe she chose to have some free time who knows. She is a rich girl living her best life also.
The fact that she had to come out last year and clear up those rumors on her own, really showed how SM failed to protect Giselle since debut and let these malicious rumors about her life and family continue
when i just got into aespa giselle was my bias, now i like all of them equally but it was shocking for me to find out how she’s treated. my unpopular opinion is that her mouthing the nword wasn’t malicious. even if she went to a boarding school it was a possible that she didn’t know about the word. i learned what it meant at 17 and i was as fluent in english as i am now. i known about it existence from memes and songs but i didn’t know it was offensive. it’s not like she directed that word towards someone. she sung a song. i wish that people understood that the knowledge of the language doesn’t mean being aware of the cultural/historical contexts. i think people are too harsh on her and she apologised.
no cause really, if she wasn’t on english social media, there is no way she could’ve known about the word. i’m not from an english speaking country and I was born in China, learning english in a private international school, and i only discovered the word after a couple YEARS of being on american social media. even then, i kinda had to dig to figure out the history behind it. japan is pretty notorious for not teaching history from the rest of the world so i don’t think it’s fair to simply assume she would’ve known the gravity of the word just from history lessons and such
Love Giselle and agree that there was mistreatment but I think the one where she was blurred was because the other members had white masks and she had black maybe
There is NO doubt that Karina and Winter are the most popular members in S Korea and the world. Karina, especially, was considered the icon of entire KPop industry until the dating scandal brought her down. In S Korea, Karina was more popular than Jennie of BP or Wonyoung of IVE. Ningning, on the other hand, is always viewed as somewhat suspicious because of her Chinese background. Because KPop is banned in China, Ningning's marketability suffered greatly. Giselle is a strange case. She speaks Korean as if she is a native! Well, Giselle was born in S Korea! She seems less popular than other 3 mainly because of her visual. Giselle's Japanese ethnicity is not so much a handicap because Japanese girls are wildly popular among men world-wide.
personally i think it’s a mix of a few things 1. her heritage could cause certain brands to see her in a prejudiced way 2. while twice is one of the most popular and well liked groups in south korea, aespa is still relatively new and hasn’t built up a reputation like twice has so that could contribute to why twice’s j-line are treated with more respect 3. as much as it hurts me to say this, compared to other japanese kpop idols giselle’s visuals are often criticised and not seen as favourable by a lot of netizens as she doesn’t really fit the korean beauty standard 4. she doesn’t have a lot of fans compared to the other members so it’s easier to exclude her without a massive deal being made. this could be for a lot of reasons like the fact she mouthed the nword which to this day kpop fans use as an excuse to drag her, her visuals (which i’ve mentioned in my 3rd point) and the fact that she has weaker skills in dance, stage presence and vocals when compared to the other members 5. her company has a history of giving preferential treatment towards korean trainees and idols while foreigners get less opportunities at best and straight up abused at worst. when you’re the least favourable to the general public both nationally and internationally companies think they can get away with more and while she might not be my bias, giselle deserves so much better
Her real name is Ning Yizhuo. So some people just call her ‘Ning2’. The same way some people just call Giselle ‘G’. It’s just a nickname you’ll be fine
I understand Koreans that aren’t fond of Japan related anything, because as a Latvian I feel the same way towards Russians (not because of Ukraine situation originally but now that too)
I really need people to realize that the n word is in so many mainstream songs I’m black can’t stand the word so I don’t use it but how can we keep this ohh you can’t say that going when it’s being introduced to the world as a mainstream word
just because many black ppl use it in their songs doesn’t justify the use of anybody else using it. like u said, u can’t stand it, so u don’t use it, but other black ppl do. unless u don’t know english or something like that, there’s no real excuse for saying it. using it just bc some rapper does is sheep mentality
@@neptuniantreasure this still doesn’t make sense to me putting certain inflections on words depending on skin color sounds like racism the meaning of the word and how it’s being used in music doesn’t change depending on skin color
Aespa will never get to the top until the company treats Giselle right. Giselle is the best female rapper in SM gg history and they are WASTING her potential... her pre debut self written rap is fireeeee. Her solo 2hot4u is fireeee. 🔥 They need to treat her like the main rapper she is and utilize her skills. I mean I love Ningning and Winter but they do not need the rap parts. They have enough singing parts for the song. I mean - I don't see Giselle getting the high notes though she is also a great vocalist... proved with her heavenly adlibs and her ballad solo in the concert. She's the prettiest idol I have ever seen without makeup like have you seen her skin? Flawless. ✨️ She's also got the best fittest body in Aespa yet the stylists f up her makeup and give her badly fitting outfits. SM just self sabotaging at this point.
If that word is so offensive why, do I hear it more now than, ten to fifteen years ago. Most groups have a "Giselle", it's seems to be a must have, to be successful. I hope Giselle is laughing all the way to the bank. Quality always shines through, no matter, what!
tbh i will never understand the media. like, look at ateez, 8 korean members achieving so much and yet no mediz coverage in sk.. kmedia are a mystery at this point.
"You're a university you're supposed to be promoting education you can't even count to four" ATE AND LEFT NO CRUMBS 🤣🔥
HAHAH THANK YOU 💐😭
Fr 😂😭😂
True tho 😂
I think it's a mix of all three, sm is known for treating their foreign idols poorly, and with Giselle's scandal, it's easier to treat her poorly on camera because alot of people don't like her and can justify sm's behavior as some sort of weird justice
I definitely agree with this. I doubt it was just ‘one reason’ if there ever was a ‘reason’ behind it
What about Ningning? She’s Chinese.. she’s getting the same treatment as Karina/Winter but guess what it wasn’t the same at the beginning Ningning and Giselle were receiving less appreciation because of their weight (I didn’t even realize until ‘fans’ mentioned at the beginning) ridiculous imo they look normal for me. I realized after Ningning loss weight (which again it was the fans who pointed it out cause to me she was the same) she was being more appreciated and receiving the same treatment as Karina/Winter. But Giselle is different after being body shamed I feel like she became less confident (just compare her debut fancam and the last ones) she performs different than before and you can tell she tries to hide her face. That’s not the Giselle I knew and love from the beginning (yes she’s also my favorite member) her raps deliver so much confidence in MVs but when she performs on TV is different, is not her. I blame the stylist and SM for this. She doesn’t deserve this treatment a part of me wishes she would quit and join another company that appreciates her talents 😪
@rftg1793 Ningning does get treated poorly but more secretly and is less obvious because people really like her and will defend her, so it's harder to get away with being xenophobic to her publicly
@@rftg1793ningning is a chinese favourite (shes won singing competitions in china and shes well known), her singing is powerful hence she gets slightly more favoured, better outfits to impress her fan base
When never I see Lucas’ channel I wonder if a Korean idol would ever get the same reward he gets.
the ning 2 makes me cackle skfkskkd
It’s easier for me to say 😭😭😭😭
it’s the same syllables 😭
Actually, Giselle is my favorite in the group.
I can’t pick a favourite between the 4 of them. It changes weekly
@@Natasha.Louisee, yes, that's true also. My bias has also changed.
My Bias predebut was Giselle and that's stayed consistent till now
@@felixcactus , I can see why.
@@felixcactus , a co-favorite of mine is Winter. But all four are great.
Aespa is such a conundrum. How 2 members can be SO Popular and have consistently viral fanam's while Ningning and Gisele share like a view and a half. Honestly fans pretend to be innocent but I think she disappears because fans don't find her pretty enough by western or Korean standards and she's not enough of a troublemaker to be hated.
this.
I agree, the fans let Ningselle down since debut
@@margielaloverexactly 😭😭
So true. Unfortunately when I tried to saw one of my cousin their mv even she said Giselle looks average in comparison to others 😢
They dress giselle in unappealing outfits , the company shares blame
Giselle didn't choose be born to be half Japanese and half Korean. Its obviously out of her control. Therefore, IF she IS receiving resentment from the Korean populace due to that its actually sad but it is what it is. We still love her regardless. Lets go GiGi!
but she did choose to be racist
@@max-jj1eyand you chose to forget that she apologized, no one cares if she said a fkn word, she mocked my culture too and i’m indian and idgaf, i have black friends too and they don’t care about that stupid n word controversy, i love giselle
@@max-jj1ey And she got her deserved lashings, but she also shouldnt be discriminated.
@@hihi_0906exactly! Fighting fire with fire won't help fix anything we learn and we grow
@@lovinu4everr I get what you mean, but your comment seems very dismissive and excusatory. What she did was wrong and she did apologize, but that doesn’t mean what she did was okay.
went to synk hyperline in london, and most of the people we spoke to were actually giselle biased which was very refreshing to see. during her solo me and bf were SCREAMINGGG TO HYPE HER UP we love her so much
this is so so cute!! hope you and your bf are doing well, thank you for supporting and loving our gigi :)
The mistreatment is real. but she is getting more popular and becoming more visible appearing solo at fashion events and being Loewe ambassador. Don't think it's because of the mouthing controversy because that's old news and knetz don't care about that as much like you said. She holds her own in the group with good personality, visuals, and ability.
Oh. That's interesting. I didn't know Giselle was ambassador for the Spanish luxury brand LOEWE. That's good news. I wish Giselle best luck branding LOEWE.
2:52 "You're an university. You're supposed to be promoting education. You can't even count to four" i loved it 😂
At first I was a winter bias but later on I became a Giselle bias, I was so sad to see how people forget her
Giselle is my ult and the treatment she gets in aespa is disgusting talk about WASTING an idol's potential
so you like racism
No one said they liked racism what? 😭
@@max-jj1eyyou're just slow lmao
FR Giselle is talented! She has so much potential and SM is wasting it 🤦🏻♀️
@@max-jj1eygirl what
I think her visuals play a part to why she not really promoted alot compare to her other members
Which is awful because although she may not fit the standard or wtv she's objectively a very gorgeous woman
@@greenthinggg agree
Sadly true. She’s pretty but I think the Korean standards are so high that SM doesn’t know how to accentuate her pretty features 😔
What’s even more messed up is that it’s 4 members LITERALLY 4 and as you said it will maybe be seen as forgivable if it was Nct because they literally have 26 members (i think) but Aespa only has 4 members none of her mistreatment is a mistake these brands and company’s do it on purpose and it’s so heart breaking because even tho Giselle has done some problematic things in the past their are idols who have done worse and get treated better then her
The thing with NCT is that they are divided into units and do full group comebacks like once every year or so.
They have no excuses with Aespa, a 4 member group treated like a 9 member group or something.
Girl you're so pretty. Literally ethereal ❤ and I like how you call ningning ning2 😂
Thank you so much darling 🥺💕
I just find it ironic that Giselle had and STILL has the highest views on her Synk trailer where she’s spitting bars in three languages the entire time- had people anticipating this Giselle chick, only for SM to fumble and completely dismiss her and push Karina out.
To this day, Giselle still doesn’t have a FULL rap verse to herself to showcase her abilities. It’s sad
In savage and next level she gets a good amount of rap lines
@@sarahbernskoetter-nd4mz Not enough to suffice her having a FULL rap verse on her own. She always has to share it.
as a black women, the Giselle nword situation was so embarrassing (sorry to go off on a tangent with your video). like what she did was so very wrong but i’m so sure someone got fired that day bc the way the scandal could’ve been easily avoided if they just edited the clip out 😭
Bless you 😭 that’s what I don’t get about it either? This was an OFFICIAL video on their account it was just madness
just like the video with haechan from NCT smoking in the background of their dance practice video?? Like...???
It's pretty clear that the people in SM take very little care with what they do. They seem flippant about everything. It's not that hard to EDIT a video especially when that's their JOB???
agreed 100%, also giselle also apologized :) (just so you know) and it’s like the staff want giselle to get into scandals it’s so sad
it's just words...
@@NB-lx6gz not people like you again...
Giselle's "disappearance" has more to do with the attitude of SM's own employees than with discrimination from the public. When she debuted, I attributed that "disappearance" to her obvious differences of dance skills with her classmates (because she was a trainee for less time) but when she improved, I noticed that the company continued to give her the worst wardrobes and made "mistakes" when promoting to Giselle. Currently, she is being "washed out" of her by giving her makeup and wardrobe similar to Karina. There's an interesting theory that Giselle's stepfather is Lee Soo-man and SM employees are "disappearing" her because they consider her a nepo-girl.
I agree with you but I do think a lot of American ppl would find Giselle attractive, and she has had surgeries to fit into the Korean beauty standards more closely
Highly doubt she's LSM stepdaughter. The previous rumor surrounding her was that her aunt was secretly LSM's gf. Now she's suddenly his stepdaughter? Sounds like just another made up rumor to justify her mistreatment. It's likely just SM's crappy, crappy mismanagement that's been plaguing the company for actual decades now, but it turns out worse for Giselle since she's foreign AND the least popular member.
SM is actually losing tons of staff rn due to the company going to 💩 since the Kakao buyout last year. Lots of their established, popular acts are leaving the company. It's not looking good for SM, tbh.
@@goldyd144even that aunt thing was never confirmed but people are literally hating on her saying she got in Aespa because of connection 😠
There’s also the possibility that SM does it on purpose so that Giselle gains “pity stans.” This is similar to what happens to idols like Liz, in which people feel bad for her because she gets less lines, screen time, etc (which was proven incorrect once people dug deeper into it) so people give her more attention and Stan her
That's silly. Were they trying to get Yuta and WinWin pity stans all those years? Sometimes it's not even the company, it's brands too. You can see it with RIIZE where they give every member a line to say but Shotaro in promotional material.
Just like with Jisoo. She is the dozen queen/ queen of pity stans
possible, but knowing its SM, i highly doubt it. im not sure if youre an sm stan or just someone who happens to know a thing or two, but SM doesnt have the best rep when it comes to taking care their foreigners idol. look at nct, riize, etc. and not only their foreigners idol, but i think some of their korean idols too (ex: exo (cmiiw), red velvet)
yeah, no. Highly unlikely. SM doesn't care about their artists. Even the ones that bring in good money sometimes. I've been stanning some of their artists since 2016 and I can tell you that ANY artist under this company will tell you that it sucks ass. Just recently I think, a fan told Wendy from Red Velvet that they want to join SM and she literally told them: "NO!" The same thing happened with Kun from NCT too and he said, "There are better places."
There's a reason SM has gotten sued by their own artists multiple times and still continues to get sued. They never learn.
Besides from that, they are notorious for treating their foreign artists even worse. There are multiple theories out there that says "SM never wants to let their artists grow bigger than them." aka "SM wants to be more powerful and more popular than their own artists."
This theory is true. Whenever there's a scandal (true or fake ass rumours) SM will literally leave their artists to be picked apart like cotton and let the public destroy them. Also, seeing as Giselle was the least popular member from the start, there's 0% chance they are gonna put in any effort to market her properly or help her get "pity stans." They've put 90% of their money into Karina and Winter (koreans) and couldn't care what happens to anyone else. Sorry, harsh truths.
That's not really a thing in SM groups. They just treat foreigners bad, it's a long standing trend
This video is so good! Black Mamba is one of the best debuts of all time imo
Korea and SM has failed her since the beginning. I will always be so upset about that blurred preview photo of Giselle.
Ning2. Took me a second!! 😳🤣
I liked this video very much because I do agree that Giselle's mistreatment needs to be talked about more. There's a lot of evidence of Giselle being neglected by SM, and Korean brands and fans since debut (a year before her mouthing the nword and apologizing for it) and that trickled down into international fans because it's hard to bias someone you don't see enough of - there was significantly less fansites of Giselle from debut when compared to her members and that was huge blocker in potential new fans getting to support her in the early days. Giselle's lines in Black Mamba were basically non-existent and that trend followed her throughout her career so far in their title tracks and title tracks are the most important thing in kpop because that's where the music video is and casual fans and non-fans all tune in and find their favorite members and moments from that so Giselle got a lack of exposure from the very beginning. Also during debut there were a lot of malicious rumors about Giselle's past, her family background, and how she got into SM - all of which has now been proven wrong by Giselle herself last year during Drama's promotions but the problem is it's 3 years too late... SM failed her so bad, they should've cleared up these rumors when it started and put out a statement about taking legal action.
But it isn't all bad, Giselle has been making her name in the fashion world lately and brands have been going crazy over her - she manages to gain and maintain popularity while being the member who gets the least from her company. It's kinda impressive tbh she has a start power about her but I really wishes she gets the treatment she deserves in the near future
Tbh, I feel like she started out pretty ok with lines, its since like Girls and such that the lines got fewer and fewer with each cb. I was hoping it would be different for their Japanese debut Hot Mess but naturally no.
i’m so glad i saw this video because nobody would explain giselle’s “scandal” to me, they just kept calling her racist said she said the n word as if she actually spoke it in a song, but accidentally mouthing a word is so much different than saying it when you’re performing a song. i felt bad that i tried not to support her in any way always wishing the others and complimenting them and acting like she didn’t exist.
Kpop fans throw around the word racism like it's a very insignificant thing these days but the fact of the matter is what Giselle did was ignorant given the context, she had no malicious intent towards anyone from mouthing lyrics to a song and she rightfully apologized. Kpop stans have been using this as an excuse to continue hating on Giselle and neglecting her just as SM wanted since debut
So true
Racism is an overused word and a trigger for easily triggered people.
Most enlighten people don't automatically attached racism moniker to a person without any context. You can screw up, but unless it comes with a pattern of behavior, then it is a weak argument.
You can feel or have opinions as much as you want, but it doesn't automatically make it fact.
I do feel like the agency has a big part of this. They don’t really market/promote Giselle properly. I heard from a subreddit that there is a higher management in SM that discriminates Japanese people (allegedly) because one of his ex-gf was Japanese (?) Any SM stan also know that they treat foreign members poorly especially Japanese members
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What a backhanded compliment lol
@@Caramelboii91 how is it a backhanded compliment?
@@Alicei7 because it looks like you're saying small creators can't be entertaining. Even if you didn't mean it that way, that's what it looks like...
@@katgreer6113 oh i didn’t mean to come off like that
Its just i dont watch small creators a lot😅
also, recently a LARGE twitter account posted that K-netz are praising aespa's glow up and they completely cut out giselle in the befor AND after even tho she looked stunning when she wasnt cut out..its crazy to me
I’m grateful that more and more people like you are starting to talk about things like this. I’ve been a fan of Giselle for a long time and it def hurts when you can’t even see your bias on promotional/brand photos 😢
Honestly she was seen as the visual hole of the group and ever since she had a glow up she has gotten better treatment and more simps(fans)
Giselles idol life is being wasted thru out the beginning of her career
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i’m really happy tho with how LOUD indonesians were when giselle appeared during 2023 smtown. we were WHIPPED ❤
It just makes me wonder why did they add her in if they’re going to constantly exclude her. She’s pretty, she can sing, she’s improving her dancing, she can write and dabbles in producing songs. She has (had) appeal to the western audience by how she speaks English and can appeal to the Japanese market. Idky they keep acting like she’s a burden or the member they added for filler
I NEED you to post abt these kinda stuff and these allegations at kpop idols bc ur videos are SAUR ENTERTAINING to watch. stan giselle btw
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Thank you so much darling~ 💕💐
this is irrelevant but
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About the n-word and Giselle proficiency in English. I find it very amusing when k-pop stans believe that their rich and privileged idols would be racially educated because they went to an international school in Asia. Guys, come on. People in America misuse this word, do you think that a half-Korean half-Japanese rich girl who was educated in a Catholic school in Tokyo would be educated in the history and sensibility of the n-word? If this is your expectation, then racism should've been resolved by now.
This!
FRR!!!
This, it's so out-of-touch and US-centric imo. Like yeah, the word has an awful meaning and should never have come out of Giselle's mouth, but at the end of the day, someone who learned English fluently from a Catholic school in Asia (not even at an American school) is not necessarily going to be educated on the word's full cultural and historical dimensions, especially when it's a word that, in spite of its violence, comes up so frequently in music and general pop culture. Understanding all the nuance behind this word and who can/cannot use it already requires a pretty sophisticated knowledge of American racial history and post-Civil War race relations, which I would not expect a foreign idol who dropped out of school to have. I mean, do all the Americans who are getting this upset have a survey knowledge of the history and demographic tensions of every other country? Most of these fans don't even know more than one language lmao. Which is not to defend Giselle's usage of the word; like again, it's bad, but she sincerely apologized, brought attention to her mistake publically, and hopefully learned (and taught others!) through her mistake. Going so far as to say "she can't possibly recover from that" just reinforces a really unproductive and uncritical form of cancel culture
Well said
@@an-eh2wnshe lip sync the word, didn't said it
I really REALLY love your hair. The colour and the volumn.
Also, loved the commentary. SM really treats their foreign idols awful. It's a wrongfully normalized thing😐
I recently got into Aespa and feel like they will be my new obsession after BP. I also started getting into Ive. These two 4th gen groups are really talented and I will follow them. I didn't know about Giselle's mistreatment, actually I thought that she is the most hated member due to her background-being rich, but I think that as soon as the group gain more popularity this will change because everyone will get attention from the public.
I'm white, too, but there is a definite difference between singing along with a song with the N word, and dropping the N word at someone.
Both are bad, one is based in ignorance, the other in hate.
My theory is that she is considered less attractive by korean standards plus some of these other reasons.
It's not because of giselle being half japanese!!! in korea people are equally racist and hateful towards china too, so it does not make sense that thats the reason people were leaving giselle out of the group. It was probably to get the group attention or maybe the company is bullying here for a certain reason. we do not know but saying shes being left our for being half japanese when ning ning is full chinese is laughable.
not hating you!!! I just wanted to share that as someone who has been back and forth to south korea with korean friends and a partner, from my experience I always here a random racist comment about the chinese even when china has nothing to do with our conversation. your talk about korea being under japanese control is all great so I applaude you for that but there is also a deep hatred being korea and china historically too. so saying giselle is the only member being ignored for her being half japanese is 99% false.
I remember tweeting this on Stan Twitter ages ago post beauty campaign
Beauty company: right, we have a girl group and they are endorsing our brand. Let's give Karina and Winter a wonderful background. Let's give the Chinese member a plain pink background
Company worker: sir, there's 4 members
Beauty company: what?? Is she Korean?
Company worker: no
Beauty worker: okay. Just throw something together
When I started getting into kpop I was a massive BTS fan and my bias was Jin, and I kept getting angry because this kind of thing where one individual photo was missing, or someone was cut out it was always Jin. Then I got into Blackpink and biased Jisoo, and she was also the one that had similar things happening to her. So my theory now is just that they overlook the least biased people in the groups in order to gain more attention by promoting the most liked members (it would make sense since Jin and Jisoo had the least stans at the time, and if I’m not wrong it is also Giselle’s case)
When I first got into kpop I never noticed the discrimination towards certain foreign idols because my ult groups at the time was TREASURE, TWICE and BLACKPINK and it was confusing when I learned about the whole discrimination thing because those groups have foreign members but everyone loves them so much like- Lisa, Haruto and Momo are foreign members but they are one of the most popular and most biased members in the group! It's just interesting how certain groups and certain companies treat their foreign idols 🤔 I think Jyp and Yg are much better at promoting them then Sm is, because even in NCT there has been weird discrimination going on 😾
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I went to an international school all my life and didnt know what the n word meant until i got into kpop 😭
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Giselle is the glue that holds the group together wtf.
Exactly!!! I bet if she quits aespa wouldn’t be the same because she carries the rap line !!?
tbh i clicked cuz of the thumbnail with u in it...DROP SKINCARE AND MAKEUP PLS HOLYYYY 😍
I love Giselle and NINGNING
yess finally a ningselle stan
someone at sm is def out to get her cuz why was that kept in an official video. also i feel like part of the reason why knetz don't like her is because of toxic beauty standards. i think shes pretty but i don't think she fits the kbs as much as the other members so she often gets body-shamed and called like the "visual hole" which is rude asf
Wow thank you for this, as a Giselle bias I just thought I was crazy.
I wonder how can you look so beautiful, seriously😭💖💖💖
Oh gosh thank you so much my love 🥹💕💐
People who think giselle deserves better 👇
I think giselle was trying to emphasise the fact that she wasnt saying it hence the lean in and showing her teeth shut but it completely backfired and she should have just done nothing. she then just apologised because that was the narrative everyone decided to run with wanted to clarify shes not that type of person. She is fluent in english and has mentioned she has a diverse friend group in combination with what we have seen of her personality I highly doubt that she would intentionally say it. If it was any other group or idol it would have been a different story but since aespa was a major threat to other ggs at the time and ppl decided she was "ugly" and a "dozen" (neither of which are true) it caused a hate train so bad she lost all her confidence and in an interview asked her future self is she was still alive. This is just my take on this situation, could be wrong but thats what I pieced together. I think it was just blown out of proportion
As a black my i was disappointed in giselle...because even the members who couldn't speak English didn't say it but she apologised and im sure after the bkacklash she learnt her mistake and i forgive her
i have been a my since the first teaser pic, giselle was the last member revealed (pretty much immediately after ningning) and everyone (at least the english speaking fandom) was pretty much too caught up with ningning to notice her, and the ones that DID were immediately calling her predebut pics ugly and iirc the talk of the town for like 2 weeks after she was revealed was her getting surgery lol
4:46 the thing is its lyrics and if your fav song is playing your just singing how you remembered it,i am black myself and i have so many white friends who accidentally say it when singing nichi minaj,sza,cardi b, megan thee Stallion etc. It's very common,she was probably just in her moment singing because as she stayed it was one of her favorite artist, ahe probably just got carried away while singing,this is just my opinion tho ❤
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Exactly
Giselle has never had the most lines in ANY Aespa songs.
Let that sink in.
She had most in Lucid dream but yeah she definitely deserve more with cool rap lines and chance to showcase her vocal skills as well.
Yes but also I feel Giselle has a lot of backing vocals. For example the bridge in Black Mamba. She’s definitely the backbone of the group idk why she’s so pushed back
she literally has the most in Lucid Dream lol
@@Natasha.Louisee people barely notice those back up vocals
@@a.a677 yes only that
imo it's getting better, ppl are recognizing Giselle more and everything. I'm just happy for the four of them finally be receiving the recognization they need. And I'm also happy for mys to stop caring only about one of them and start talking about them all.
When you see a video of aespa, the comments are majority about Giselle, how she's good, how she's beautiful and etc. So I really don't care about this nowadays
and to this day, kpop stans says giselle is a nepo baby and got into SM because of her rich parents or her supposed connection with soo man. if she really was a nepo baby, she'd easily be the best treated in the group but kpop stans aren't ready for this conversation
I don’t think her mouthing the n word was a major reason for her mistreatment, I believe it made her mistreatment more passable. If I’m correct then she was always treated worse than the other memebers from debut as people believed that she didn’t deserve to debut and rumours in Korea of her being a mean girl, the fact she is Japanese didn’t help either.
I love your commentary, you’re so pretty btw! 💗
Cheering for Giselle! She made a mistake but she doesn’t deserve to be crucified forever.
I take Giselle with a grain of salt ever since the slur incident (I'm a black female) and the apology was half-ass in my opinion especially because she speaks english so fluently... but I did notice the treatment of her compared to the other members and it may be a combinations of the points you've made plus maybe her being called a "visual hole" at some points (just stating what I've seen netizens say) Love the video tho, clear and precise thoughts and opinions 🙌🏾
Not necessarily defending what she did, but "speaking English" fluently is a far cry from being familiar with another country's controversial history. She didnt live a day in the US, and I wouldnt be surprised if her high school didnt cover more than a chapter about American black history. Sure she attended an international school, but this is Japan we're talking about - where they even sweep 80% of WWII under the rug. Like for example, how much do you think the avg American knows about the Ainu in Japan?
Yeah, I agree with the contents of the other reply and I am taking your view point into account. I was disgusted when I learnt of the racism incident (as I did with finding out about many other similar ones not to do with her) but I hope that now she's been to America and met her fans and learnt something about other cultures, she won't make the same mistake. Maybe that's just wishful thinking but I do see that she should/ it would be good for her image to have shown some progress with her education on other races and the mistreatment of black people in history.
I understand that still not everyone will forgive her and that's reasonable. However, if we are talking about Giselle as a person or image, I try to treat people fairly when talking about social issues such as discrimination, which she has definitely faced. I agree that her actions were wrong and most backlash she got and is getting is deserved, however sometimes people take it too far. Just because she's been racist doesn't mean you also be racist, and some fans don't realise that.
@@KY-jd1nl true, it's just that she seems really up to date with both western trends and mannerisms so one would have expected her to know this. Oh, and Koreans know what the word means, and they know they shouldn't say it, even without history lessons. I don't need history lessons to NOT call an East Asian person "Ching Chong. "So..for the time that Giselle was in Korea..shouldn't she have known? .Then again, she mouthed it in a song and didn't say it directly so...idk.
@@gtcha-wp6ir do you have actual data for that? Just asking bc I taught English in Japan for 3 years, and the Japanese teachers who were my coworkers for example wouldnt have known. Not English, but I also remember them having no clue what "adios" meant when I threw it out casually which honestly shocked me at the time. And "ching chong" is not a good comparison imo, its literally gibberish in mandarin and is a word English users came up with to make fun of the sound of Chinese/asian language - theyre not actually attempting to speak mandarin. You dont need to know what it means in mandarin bc it doesnt mean anything. In fact, if you called a Chinese person (someone who never lived in the US) a ch*** or ching chong, they wouldnt even be offended bc they dont know the context or meaning (saying this as someone with immigrant parents)
@@gtcha-wp6ir do you have data for that jw? Asking bc I taught English in Japan for 3 years and my Japanese coworkers (also teaching English) wouldnt have known. Not English, but I remember being shocked they had no idea what "adios" meant when I threw it out casually. Something I thought was obvious and had high exposure was in fact, not.
However, I dont think ching chong is a good comparison in this case bc it's actually not Mandarin and means nothing. Its a term that was created by non-asians to make fun of the sounds of the language, and not an attempt to actually use any legitimate words. In fact, if you went over to China and called someone there (without any living experience abroad) ching chong or the other ch-slur, I would bet over 98% would not be offended bc they would have no idea what that means/it means nothing to them without the contextual knowledge. You dont need to know what it means bc it means nothing (and saying this as someone with immigrant parents).
Not to mention, "the time that she was in Korea" would probably be a very short time considering her training period was 11 months. Highly plausible she would not have received exposure or education regarding American history/culture.
Ok i have a thepry and im actully pretty convinced that its really the reason: it all come down to visuals. Its horrible to say, as i personally believe thta Giselle is a beautiful girl, but i believe that netizens just dont like her visuals. Ive read thousands of people calling her a visual hole in aespa (which, lets be forreal, its one of the prettiest group out there) and that hed visuals did not match the groups one and for this reason a lot of knet started hating her. I als9 believe that being half-japanese, with a very western humor/vibe, being the only one that didnt showcaxe vocals during their early era and was the worst dancer played a significant role, but nothing will compare to how much netz care about an idol visual. Its the same reason why Sana, Mina and Momo are loved (especially Sana) while Chaeryeong (a korean, from Itzy) was hated.
Girl thb i just clicked on this video because ur so beautiful, i just went “wtf she is so pretty” also i agree with u
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i actually see a lot of hate over the n word still. people won’t let her live it down.
The issue was also the fact that she signed to SM entertainment. SM has a history of just not really treating any of their foreign idles really well we know this because like most of the Chinese idols that they have who have left have talked about the mismanagement, the mistreatment how crappy it was.
In terms of her ethnicity, the crazy thing is even if she had been raised in Korea. People would still see her as Japanese and I think it’s crazy. They’ve been other half Korean half Japanese idols that I think of his name starts with a K I forgot what it was but he was in a 2nd/3rd group , and he grew up in both countries and yet he was always seen and promoted as being Japanese and it was funny because his Korean was fluent and it was really good and people would always commented him on it and he would always say yeah I speak with my mom he just sat there and told my mom’s Korean or when he would talk about how he would spend summers in Korea and visiting his grandparents here and his cousins and things.
Even like other people who are Korean, but may have been born in Japan and raised there like Kiko known K-pop industry for dating GD At one point people genuinely forget she’s not ethically Japanese at all she’s half Korean half European if I’m correct or Australian. She’s some kind of white and Korean mix but she was born in Japan. She’s done things where she’s talked about when she’s visiting and it is to be there and experience, the culture and the food and stuff and how her Korean parent had talked about some of these foods being foods that they look like growing up and eating and stuff like that.
And yes, Japan has been really crappy things in the past and so has China if you think about it when it comes to Korea in general and it’s one of the reasons why Korea has such really strain relations with both countries, which is understandable, but I still think it’s weird that they’re willing to take talent from those two countries to bring to their own debut as artist and things and some of them blow up to be huge Whenever there’s just the smallest of an issue that will be Weaponized against them and the companies do nothing which is what I think is the biggest issue.
Gisselle is being used for her talent when it suits them, but nothing more nothing less NingNing is being used for her talent and the foothold that she gives their group in China nothing more nothing less. It’s crazy how companies especially ones like SM entertainment who consistently will go to these countries to scout people to join their company will sit there and see them more, they can use primarily for a inside of that which is what I think it is most of the time. And I’m always happy when I see Asian because I feel like whenever you have someone who does pointed out who is Asian because I definitely have people sit there and tell me I’m insane for pointing out certain things like that and it’s like I don’t think you understand as someone who is mixed as someone
When had her initial scandal the company handled it very poorly in my opinion with not saying anything at first not having someone monitor that video before putting it out there then leaves me to believing that I genuinely think that someone in the company saw that and they did not care so they purposely put it out there and it wouldn’t be the first time that that has happened to a foreign idol Because people come from their own company. And then they went about which I think was only on Twitter I think also affected the way some people saw it. And I personally think it’s funny because I’m a fan of like NCT and there is at least two members of NCT who have done the exact same thing she did which is singing along to song by black artist that had the N-word in it, and they were mouth the word, never did. The video still exist on the Internet, but as entertainment never said anything about it. The fans sat there and pointed it out, and then they had hordes of other fans that are way too invested and critical, thinking skills or being able to understand people can make mistakes it’s just them owning up to it. That fans would want trying to defend those members and again the company never said anything about it. There was never an apology. There was never a statement there wasn’t even like a half, like that, they said, and you saw the camera wasn’t close enough or whatever.
Also, I feel like as far as SM is concern she is the filler member. Not in terms of her talent because she is talented, but in terms of what they’re trying to who they’re trying to push. NingNing is extremely talented. She technically had somewhat of a singing career before she even joined the company yet the company doesn’t push her at all either not as much as they could unlike they do with the twoKorean members which I think makes sense.
I also must say it’s nice to see when other people outside of people point this out because I’ve definitely seen people have arguments whether it’s with myself or others when we point this out. It’s like we understand more than you would think we might not be celebrities or idol, but you can clearly see the difference between, mixed race idols are Korean or idols who are fully foreign and how they get treated by the companies, especially if they get into like a scandal or something fairly early on in their career or just in general how different the company will go about it compared to the Korean members.
As a boomer kpop fan and someone who has stanned mostly sm groups ( and ones with foreigners in it ) i think SM is by the the most xenophobic company compared to YG and JYP. As far as they are concerned when it comes to foreigner members they look at them as the eternal side dishes to the korean members who are the main dishes. It doesn't matter how talented or charming they are.
The discrimination is even more blatant when the foreign member is objectively the best looking member ( winwin) or the best singers ( ningning ) or is a diamond all rounder type ( ten). It becomes nonsensical to the point that you have to believe it to be extreme prejudice and bias.
The thing is that Koreans allegedly (not trying to get hate) hate south East Asian too (mostly Filipinos I think and I still don't know why) and Chinese people too but they have a "rule" that despite if they hate e/o (Korean people and Chinese people) they'll hate Japanese people more (this is not a generality btw but because of the historical nature of their complex relationships) that would explain why they are harsher on Giselle than on 2Ning and maybe that because she is HALF also contributed seen as a "treason" of some sort like why would a Korean woman marry a Japanese man when she can marry in her own country etc... also Momo, Sana and Mina do get hate. Not to Giselle extent I think but they go hate for doing a live speaking Japanese and Sana literally got bullied because she talked about the emperor of Japan or something like that on their Japanese Instagram and people started hating on her. I don't remember the details and if she went on a hiatus bc of that but yeah... they kind of got their fair share although I am not that knowledgeable. For Giselle's case, what I said is purely speculation bc what do I know 😭
I would totally understand if the criticism came from her controversy from 3 years ago but unfortunately she was already being excluded/disliked even before that had occurred. Netizens have always been talking about how she is a visual hole (which I personally do not agree with at all) and also have been making xenophobic remarks on the side. The hate wave later on made it so much easier for people to discriminate against her or harass her in any form. Not to forget that she seemed to have lost confidence (+ with her also being the least trained member) she would make noticeable mistakes on stage. I do think that the situation has definitely gotten better since she has improved greatly and has been getting better styling choices which made her stand out a bit more but unfortunately the mistreatment hasn’t ended yet as she is still (occasionally) being excluded. SM's director/coo was allegedly exposed multiple times for sharing/reposting/liking every promotional post for various diffrent members, yet Idols like Giselle, Yuta, ect. where nowhere to be seen. Mise en scene has allegedly "forgotten" to post her individual photos multiple times and once they were called out they posted an already existing photo without her holding the product while the other 3 members had new pictures taken. I'm not even gonna get to the styling choices, haha. Lmk if you think I'm reaching )))
I DIDNT KNOW U DO YT QUEEN SO FKIN HAPPY TO SEE YOUR CONTENT HERE
9:18 I think its because JYP is less like that than SM and also excluding 3 members is gonna be quite tough
Ning2 is Chinese- they make a lot of money from China. Just saying
u could just say ningning 😭 jokes aside i wish giselle had better treatment
there is also the rumour that she is the niece of one of the girlfriend / wife of the CEO of SM. That's why she is hated by knetizens. She trained in SM for only a few months before debut. But yeah i don't know why they treat her like that. Maybe she chose to have some free time who knows. She is a rich girl living her best life also.
The fact that she had to come out last year and clear up those rumors on her own, really showed how SM failed to protect Giselle since debut and let these malicious rumors about her life and family continue
@@margielaloveromg when did she clear it?? I want to see it because I 'm fed up people saying she just got in Aespa because of Connection
She cleared it at the show knowing brothers during drama era@@jungkookking1812
10:45 LMFAOOO ATE
no cause this is so sad as someone who’s biased Giselle since i discovered the group 😭
"you see I'm not a smart person" 😂
when i just got into aespa giselle was my bias, now i like all of them equally but it was shocking for me to find out how she’s treated. my unpopular opinion is that her mouthing the nword wasn’t malicious. even if she went to a boarding school it was a possible that she didn’t know about the word. i learned what it meant at 17 and i was as fluent in english as i am now. i known about it existence from memes and songs but i didn’t know it was offensive. it’s not like she directed that word towards someone. she sung a song. i wish that people understood that the knowledge of the language doesn’t mean being aware of the cultural/historical contexts. i think people are too harsh on her and she apologised.
no cause really, if she wasn’t on english social media, there is no way she could’ve known about the word. i’m not from an english speaking country and I was born in China, learning english in a private international school, and i only discovered the word after a couple YEARS of being on american social media. even then, i kinda had to dig to figure out the history behind it. japan is pretty notorious for not teaching history from the rest of the world so i don’t think it’s fair to simply assume she would’ve known the gravity of the word just from history lessons and such
Love Giselle and agree that there was mistreatment but I think the one where she was blurred was because the other members had white masks and she had black maybe
I love the way she says Ning2 instead of ningning 😂
i love your voice and your very pretty 🥰🥰
Thank you so much, my darling. You’re too kind 💐
I'm sorry this is so out of context but like you are soo dayum pretty gurlieee!!!!❤❤
2:31 Ain't no way Giselle is Japanese and they excluded her from something posted on their JAPANESE account
There is NO doubt that Karina and Winter are the most popular members in S Korea and the world. Karina, especially, was considered the icon of entire KPop industry until the dating scandal brought her down. In S Korea, Karina was more popular than Jennie of BP or Wonyoung of IVE. Ningning, on the other hand, is always viewed as somewhat suspicious because of her Chinese background. Because KPop is banned in China, Ningning's marketability suffered greatly. Giselle is a strange case. She speaks Korean as if she is a native! Well, Giselle was born in S Korea! She seems less popular than other 3 mainly because of her visual. Giselle's Japanese ethnicity is not so much a handicap because Japanese girls are wildly popular among men world-wide.
personally i think it’s a mix of a few things
1. her heritage could cause certain brands to see her in a prejudiced way
2. while twice is one of the most popular and well liked groups in south korea, aespa is still relatively new and hasn’t built up a reputation like twice has so that could contribute to why twice’s j-line are treated with more respect
3. as much as it hurts me to say this, compared to other japanese kpop idols giselle’s visuals are often criticised and not seen as favourable by a lot of netizens as she doesn’t really fit the korean beauty standard
4. she doesn’t have a lot of fans compared to the other members so it’s easier to exclude her without a massive deal being made. this could be for a lot of reasons like the fact she mouthed the nword which to this day kpop fans use as an excuse to drag her, her visuals (which i’ve mentioned in my 3rd point) and the fact that she has weaker skills in dance, stage presence and vocals when compared to the other members
5. her company has a history of giving preferential treatment towards korean trainees and idols while foreigners get less opportunities at best and straight up abused at worst.
when you’re the least favourable to the general public both nationally and internationally companies think they can get away with more and while she might not be my bias, giselle deserves so much better
I also think it’s because Giselle doesn’t fit the typical beauty standard in Korea. She is considered ugly by many
girl just say ningning it’s not that hard 😭
Her real name is Ning Yizhuo. So some people just call her ‘Ning2’. The same way some people just call Giselle ‘G’. It’s just a nickname you’ll be fine
AESPA is treated by sm the way koreans treat all non-korean idols. The moment Ningning leaves SM, she will take over China.
This completely unrelated, but you are prettyyyyyyyy.😭😭😭
Ningning is chinese though
I understand Koreans that aren’t fond of Japan related anything, because as a Latvian I feel the same way towards Russians (not because of Ukraine situation originally but now that too)
I really need people to realize that the n word is in so many mainstream songs I’m black can’t stand the word so I don’t use it but how can we keep this ohh you can’t say that going when it’s being introduced to the world as a mainstream word
just because many black ppl use it in their songs doesn’t justify the use of anybody else using it. like u said, u can’t stand it, so u don’t use it, but other black ppl do. unless u don’t know english or something like that, there’s no real excuse for saying it. using it just bc some rapper does is sheep mentality
@@neptuniantreasure this still doesn’t make sense to me putting certain inflections on words depending on skin color sounds like racism the meaning of the word and how it’s being used in music doesn’t change depending on skin color
Bro why does it sound like someone's snoring in the background lmao
Idk lol~ maybe my downstairs neighbours smoke alarm that they haven’t changed the batteries for like a year. I’m not sure
Aespa will never get to the top until the company treats Giselle right. Giselle is the best female rapper in SM gg history and they are WASTING her potential... her pre debut self written rap is fireeeee. Her solo 2hot4u is fireeee. 🔥 They need to treat her like the main rapper she is and utilize her skills.
I mean I love Ningning and Winter but they do not need the rap parts. They have enough singing parts for the song. I mean - I don't see Giselle getting the high notes though she is also a great vocalist... proved with her heavenly adlibs and her ballad solo in the concert.
She's the prettiest idol I have ever seen without makeup like have you seen her skin? Flawless. ✨️ She's also got the best fittest body in Aespa yet the stylists f up her makeup and give her badly fitting outfits.
SM just self sabotaging at this point.
You Are so pretty omg! 😭 Like a doll or angel haha 💗☺️
Awwwww thank you so much my dear 🥺💐
If that word is so offensive why, do I hear it more now than, ten to fifteen years ago. Most groups have a "Giselle", it's seems to be a must have, to be successful. I hope Giselle is laughing all the way to the bank. Quality always shines through, no matter, what!
tbh i will never understand the media. like, look at ateez, 8 korean members achieving so much and yet no mediz coverage in sk.. kmedia are a mystery at this point.