This is the bolt that kills RAM trucks.
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- Опубликовано: 16 мар 2023
- RAM 6.7L grid heater bolt failure is real. It's killed an untold number of Cummins engines. Over time, a bolt in the 2007-current stock RAM 6.7L Cummins grid heater deteriorates, falls into the intake runner, and thanks to gravity, makes its way into cylinder #6. In many cases, it results in severe piston, cylinder wall, valve and head damage, or worse... total engine failure. Many mechanics either aren't aware of the problem or have not properly diagnosed it. "This is one of the most misdiagnosed Cummins engine issues," says Protech Diesel Center's Brad Hunt. "All too often, mechanics simply replace the engine. Therefore, the problem persists."
Randy, a 2016 RAM 6.7L owner, noticed a check engine light. An OBD diagnostic check showed a P2609 trouble code for the air intake heater circuit. This is often the first sign of heater failure. Those who encounter this code should immediately perform the "Jiggle Test" shown in this video.
The 50-state emissions compliant Monster-Ram intake system not only eliminates this point of failure, but it also provides a mass airflow gain of 88.3% over stock. That's throttle response you can feel and insurance your wallet will appreciate.
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The fact it’s so well known and documented AND that RAM and Cummins won’t fix it is really infuriating.
Nissan ignored their bad CVT transmissions the same way. Deny deny deny lol
It's a matter of cost of damages vs cost of repairing, same as any issue unfortunately. What will cost Dodge more; repairing the issue or getting sued over the issue. In this case, it's repairing the issue.
@@brettconv83 2.4L 2005-2010 Toyota
Not to mention you cannot find a 2.4L without a lot of shipping involved for most people.
Because the right people have not filed complaints with the NHTSA to initiate a possible recall. And they wont do that because they will lose opportunity for retail work and Ram will dispute this problem anyway because this is an expensive repair !!! Same BS the NHTSA/RAM played with transmission recall on 2020/2021 68RFE transmissions. Exact same problem happened with my 2014 but the NHTSA/RAM would not extend the recall beyond 20/21 model year.
@@kramnull8962 yeah I own a 1998 Camry 2.2L 5FSE which is just about bulletproof. Far cry from 05-10
Im a new mechanic been at it about 2 years. I work on these trucks and i was not aware of this issue. Ill be sure to enlist the wiggle trick on all the rams i work on now. Thanks guys!
Might save an engine
I wasent aware of this issue when I ordered and installed the Banks intake, but it was a pleasant surprise to eliminate a potential problem before it showed up.
Living in Alberta we do have some cold weather that brought up some concerns. Admittedly, there is the odd time a second cycle of the key was needed to start the truck. It is a very small inconvenience to save your engine potentially.
You would think this would be a recall by now...
Dodge never makes a recall, they let their customers deal with it.
couldn't agree more, such a small mod to fix such a huge threat
@Shane French guy here, does Dodge really never do any recall ? That's crazy !
@@crezychameau the headers on 5.7 hemi pickups have been cracking for how many years? And no recall.
@@cliffsta87337 Well, that's disappointing to learn :/
Yeah, seeing how many trucks burned to the ground 😉
Man's vehicle calmly talking over Roofers and Dogs Barking knows he wants his Truck Right Hats off!!!
Definitely a major issue. Just wish Banks would address the loss of 3/4 of the heater wattage. Roughly 2400 watts stock and Banks is around 600 watts. This is fine for California but not great for us up North with -40 weather.
Block heater.
@@TexasStormChaser you are not always parked at home and even plugged in at these temperatures the engine will smoke for quite a while without a proper heater.
@@freeride202 The only solution would be to just keep the OEM grid heater, but modify it with a bolt made out of copper. Whatever material the OEM bolt is made of is too resistive for the load causing it to turn the electricity into heat and melt. Banks is obviously advertising their product but that's a $2000 fix for a $5 problem.
Here in the north we use a inline coolant heater.
This heats coolant in the engine. So on those freezing cold mornings. The truck fires up easy and as extra bonus you get warm air blowing in the truck.
@@assassinlexx1993block heater does the same, heats all your coolant
I disconnected my grid heater shortly after buying my 2018 Ram 2500. Zero problems or codes.
My friend had his 2014 6.7 destroyed by that grid heater bolt and has been working on his truck for 7months now. I bought the banks intake but still need to install it. I also replaced the killer dowl pin on my 5.9 12valve which was over$1000 to do. That engine is still running strong at 390,000 miles…Solid engines with little defects that are worth addressing
My daughter turned my old place in Texas into a cattle business and tack shop for horses & she needed a truck. We got this used 08 Ram with that 6.7 in it and that stuff was bad when we got it. I took it home and when I found out what that intake costs and the work that needed to be done man did she get mad. The truth is now I live 2,500 miles away. She has been here and back now several times and west coast with that truck. The times she comes here she tows their big camper usually shows up late June here. I keep going over it fresh fluids R a must. The thing is doing more than fantastic it is awe inspiring the way it just keeps on going. Thanks to living in the deep south away from the real terrible weather the frame is fine she had the rear springs replaced 2 years ago. Last year I just painted the thing again. I painted it when she got it and its still alive and well. She thinking about a new motor this year or next year.
Wow you got robbed on the kdp kit. That kit is $130 and a few hours if that to remove timing cover and install kit.
The 5.9 is a superior engine to the 6.7 in all aspects besides not as much power
@@dsimondublin that's where it pays to know a trade fr the labor some of these big shops charge is insanity
@@dsimondublin No need to buy a kdp kit. You can make a tab yourself from any piece of metal. All it's going to cost is a front main seal and a gasket. It's less than 30 bucks to do it yourself.. I'd never charge a customer that much to do a kdp. Someone's eating good after being paid that bill, wow
You have to replace the solenoid for it on the passenger battery tray, that is the reason they go bad it was Dodges fault not Cummins, the Mopar solenoid is underrated and it sticks
I had the relay that energizes the the fuel control solenoid fail when truck was five years old. I bought a small engine starter relay from NAPA that's higher rated and no more problems for 23 years now 😅
Lol spend that money like it's going out of style lol
Is this also what is causing recalls for the 2022 rams with the grid heater?
No test drive afterwards? The video is incomplete
Holding onto my dakota til she dies, but when I get new hotness I'm going banks EVERYTHING. Solid well researched products.
Really gotta say that monster ram absolutely lives up to its name. Big, red, hard, and dangly.
I love how I can tell this is in California from the mountains in the background
I have a 2018. I disconnect the grid heater solenoid from the battery a long time ago.
I was an engineer at PTI when this integrated heater was designed. It was because of new space constraints that didn't allow for the existing and more reliable sandwich-type heater grid to continue. My guess is that Chrysler required the change, not Cummins. Most of the design and manufacturing engineers despised it. So many sketchy, convoluted components. More difficult to build. More difficult to service.
My 1995 12 valve is rock solid. I did spend a couple thousand in 2000 and added all the Banks hop ups including the dual ram intake so I have played with my grid heaters already. 😅 Thanks Gale!
Can’t wait to see the after video. He’s lucky the bolt didn’t drop down. The dealer could have ripped him off too. Pretty cool how he figured out the problem. Always hear that Cummins is the most reliable diesel. I give up.
All engines have problems. Cummins is probably the best though
they all have their down falls, even the old 12v cummins have a dowel that will walk out of the front case and get caught in the timing gears. (KDP)
rather have an inline 6 than a dmax or pstroke that needs head gaskets, glow plugs, injector cups, broken cranks/pistons, ect.
@@hreindustries Heard that ‘23 - ‘24 Duramax and Powerstroke made big changes in those motors for longevity. It’s nice to look into a Cummins engine bay and see room in there. They’re all amazing but too expensive now.
@@georgiafan6618 damn straight, till the others come with 6 cylinders (in a row) its tractor engines till i die
it's still your best bet out of the big 3 because it's the only one made after 2008 that can be worked on without removing the body. You'll save a lot of money at the shop, and make diy repairs ridiculously easier in comparison. I popped the hood of a friends '18 6.7 F350 and was shocked to see only the front 2 cylinders were in the engine bay, the rest of the engine was under the dash. What a nightmare to work on.
Wow it's a good thing you caught that in time. I only buy Ram trucks and I still own a 2001 Ram 2500 bought new only has 180k miles but I use Gale Banks performance parts when I can and never had a problem with any of there parts. Hope they fixed the problem.💯👍
As a tech that works on these regularly, wiggling that stud is the first step in my diag process with any intake heater codes
That's a pretty good boost leak also.
Love my banks grid heater delete and monster ram intake horn. And the added relief of knowing that nut and stud are gone!
My son has a 2015 --3500 just at the end of the warranty RAM and Cummins kept this quiet as long as they could there's no recall on it make sure you check it if it's still in warranty also if you have an outside repair shop make sure you get a written estimate because it was over $1,800 for parts and replacing it
Guess I best be checking my trucks out! I have two 6.7L cummins, a 2012 and a 2015. Up here in AB canada the grid heaters definitely get used alot!
I’m in central Alberta, got a 2012 3500 with 450000 km on it. I’ve been doing the jiggle test for about 10 years and no issues yet.
This is a very informative video thank you . Banks to the rescue. Great catch .
That’s the result of people understanding what the problem really is, and engineering a solution so that never happens again!
I’ll be checking mine tomorrow morning!
I diagnose a lot of problems with a jiggle test.
The look on his face at the end when asked what he thinks says it all it would’ve been a huge headache and hassle to get that truck warrantied or lemoned which can take a year or more and it’s a damn good truck
It's the perfect example of incomplete information being shared as the gospel, the reason why that intake air heater failed even out in California where it would only get used a few times a year, is because the Dodge solenoid on the passenger battery tray shorted out and kept the voltage to the heater
There’s actually a “cleaning cycle” that activates the grid heater after so many engine hours (if it hasn’t been activated due to temp). So it should be activated more than a few times a year
408 cubic inch displacement Cummins. Just disconnect the wire at the relay on the right (passenger side just below battery) side that goes to the relay and crank it up and drive. Don't wait to start. G. D. P. Grid heater is on the intercooler side of the intake no chance of anything falling into the engine.
I did the install but just be aware that when you remove those fuel lines you have to back up the tube nuts with a wrench. Otherwise you will loosen the injection return tubes and that creates all kinds of low fuel pressure problems. Something Banks couldn’t figure out when I called the technical support. It wasn’t really mentioned in the instructions either. $3800 bucks later I got my truck running.
You should be torquing those nuts any times you remove the lines anyway. Doesn't take much for them to cause a high return issue.
God dam banks lol . Wow just another know it all shop
I torqued everything. Just remember the injector tubes have a nut that you should use a wrench on to keep from moving and loosening when removing the fuel lines. Its a frequent problem according to my Diesel mechanic
Carlos, thanks for leaving a comment. We have installed hundreds of Monster-Rams here at Banks and thousands have been installed around the US and Canada. We are not aware of any leaks resulting from low pressure fuel lines, which is probably why our Tech Support Team was confused. However, upon closer inspection, we can see how the injector cup (return tubes) could come loose if you don't keep a wrench on them. Again, we have not encountered this issue. But to help others avoid this in the future, we are shooting a new installation video with some additional tips and tricks that will ensure this does not happen to anyone else. Please text us at (800) 601-8072. We'd like to help compensate for the unintended labor.
@@bankspower WOW! What GREAT customer service!
How long have these manufacturers been making engines for??...
I feel like the wigle test is a bit sketchy. Could break part of the bolt off and drop.
Usually you get a melted connection when it comes loose , is that what's causing this ??
Will Banks be fixing the same issue on the 4500 and 5500 Cummins? The Monster Ram intake doesn't fit apparently as there are differences on the manifold.
Ya I would like to know. I have a 2022 5500 and would like to purchase one.
Funny you mention that. We just got our hands on a C&C 5500 for testing. Coming soon.
@@bankspower Awesome!! I was talking to Dirty Diesel in Kelowna BC last summer and they asked you guys about it and they hinted that you would check it out. Thanks for the confirmation !! Looking to pick up a 5500 possibly this year.
@@bankspower awesome looking forward to it!
Another reason why I love my 98 24v ...
Fortunately my Banks intake prevents that!
I was really hoping that the Killing A Duramax series could have spun off into similar R&D for multiple makes of engines. But you are probably making a lot more money running engines for Uncle Sam through that Dyno.
Have fun with your Cp4 injection pump exploding on you newer Duramax lol
Thanks Jay!
Once it loosens the arcing and sparking begin and it cooks and becomes a high resistance connection. Then it is a welding rod vice a connection. Leave you connector on the alternator loose and something similar will happen.
Do the 2007 Dodge Diesel Trucks use the same grid heater set up as the 6.7's. !???
Look at all that EGR soot.
Is only on banks setup or original set up on the engine with a new and built?
I was waiting to see the new style heater, after you teased me with all that red in the engine bay.
The fact that it's 12v is why there's so much current, and current is what melts wires/connectors. 24v requires half the current (amperage) and 48v requires 1/4 the current. If they had another battery in series dedicated to the heater and went with a 24v heater (assuming Dodge had the sense to make one), you wouldn't have the amperage that it takes to melt a bolt. 24v is also still not enough to shock you.
Wow ,great job, Nice save god bless
The name on his shirt I first read as "sue us flooring" lol
I feel like the 2003 5.9 is the best Cummins engine produced.
Seeing as how I’ve owned one since new I’ll have to agree 😂
@@deercreekmechanical love mine. 275,000 trouble free miles and still going strong.
It's the fact that the 5.9 is not dealing with the EPA/CARB soot and NOx devices that make them reliable.
@@davidbottles3035 230k on mine
Wow that dog was going off the chain. I have a 2018 ram, i guess I will have to give it the giggle test. Larry
I'm all on board with this but my question is with the position of the Banks heater, what keeps the new heater from sometime in the future from also failing and dropping into the intake?
If you look on the channel Gale made a video showing the difference. Its a small element that threads in at the top and kinda looks like a block heater. Nothing to break loose and go down the intake while also eliminating the grid which restricts the airflow into the engine. A superior design which eliminates the fatal flaw and allows better airflow at the same time.
Because it uses a intake heater designed by gm not cummapart
Same heater used on the Duramax. You don't hear of DMax having heaters fall into the engine. Proven component.
Nope , just fuel pump metal shavings, or is it cp3 ? Hell, i dont know now
Not to discount Banks but if you unhook your grid heater before the problem arrives, and you don't need the heater, is that a solid fix? Asking for a friend.
It's not that simple. If you have a new truck, unplugging the the grid heater plug will cause a check engine light. If the truck is older, the bolt may have already deteriorated and unplugging the grid heater may still cause a check engine light.
Dodge genuinely needs to iterate actual change in their design principles when these sorts of obvious issues crop up. You shouldn't have to DIY solutions over time. The engines should be improved when new solutions to problems are found. It's understandable they'd avoid doing a recall to save money, but not improving the root cause of obvious problems is another thing entirely.
Other examples are the notorious issues with the 5.7L HEMI and the exhaust manifold bolts shearing off due to insane temperatures causing the HEMI tick, and no upgrade in newer models to high pressure oil pumps to lubricate the MSDS lifters preventing cam lobe wear when idling.
How does electrical current shear bolts?
I'm beginning to wonder if this is an issue with the Ram spec engine. I work in the heavy duty truck segment, and our shop has only ever seen 2 or 3 of these mishaps. They also have been on 9L engines not the 6.7.
Given that it’s related to the intake and emissions (Dodge’s area of engineering) I’d imagine it is.
@Jacob Rzeszewski the grid heater is still Cummins, but the bolt could be specd differently. The 6.7 in busses, box trucks, and other larger trucks is different from the 6.7 in the pickups. I'm not sure what all of the differences are. It could be just a few items, or it could be half of the engine.
@Jacob Rzeszewski Cummins does all that shit. All the Emission parts are Cummins, the ECU is Cummins, Engine Wiring Harness is Cummins.
@fredtflail true, but it doesn't mean there are no differences due to Rams specs. If you look at the 6.7 in every other application other than a Ram truck, the fuel pump is on the rear gear housing, not the front.
The 9L is the most underpowered diesel out there.I do not know why that engine is available in Freightliner trucks
2:27 I’m no electckicken but I think it’s the 700+ amps the battery is capable of squirting out more than the 12v that’s cooking metal bolts for dinner?
Also I’m no deselect guy but no fuse protection for this guy?
If I recall, the heater pulls around 90amps, but it is computer controlled through a solenoid. The actual on time varies depending on intake air temp.
The lead to the solenoid may be a fusible link or it might be connected to a fused connection at the pass side battery terminal, I can’t remember exactly. Might even be both.
@@jeffs2809 I appreciate your comment and I’d say you’re right. 90 A would cook a bolt ide say! And I guess the deal is it pulls just enough to cook the bowl but not to pull the fuse over time
Banks is the best, bar none period.
Question: If you have the answer please enlighten me. Now this vehicle was a 2017, has this issue been fixed by Cummins in later model years? Is there a model year range that this affects? I have a 2022. I would like to go to the monster ram anyway, but I'm holding off until my warranty is over. I do keep an eye on the grid heater bolt.
It’s still an issue. I have a 2021 and recently received a recall for the grid heater replacement. I suspect it’s due to this issue. I installed my Banks regardless. It does not void your warranty.
Although we don't know why, 2013-2018 seems to be the most affected. Although that could be a result of the age and mileage. But as @tspeegle007 said below, it's affecting all years of the 6.7.
A stock truck with a stock head a stock intake elbo out flows the head all u need to do is put a delete plate in. I did the gpd intake heater that replaces the throttle valve.
The name on the grill does that all by itself.
Wow. Expensive damage could be had from a simple bolt.
2:21 Start video there to eliminate the intro chatter and go right to the diagnostic
but the bigger question becomes why? loosens up over time, not big enough size of a bolt,not enough cable gauge,?or what? what
Hi I am European I like Cummins engines but never worked on one, but this usually happens when there is a low resistance point in coil heating systems, didn't knew these engines had a grid heater in the intake, I am more familiar with vw diesel engines where they use coil plugs that protrudes into the cylinders, I have also seen something similar to this in Nissan diesel engines, it seems crazy to me that something so simple can be catastrophic and how engineers can let something like this unchecked...
VW engine are designed why different than a cummins. There is no comparison. The glow plugs was created to fail to get your money lol
Ah man! Wanted to here it run after the upgrade 😡
Is this an issue for the 2021 rams as well?
Banks, for those of us who live close what’s the repair cost?
If you are talking about the Monster Ram kit itself, $968. Call 626-969-9600 for installed pricing.
Wish I would have shown the owner's impression upon driving the truck with the bank's products
Would emissions delete eliminate this failure point?
Like my dad used to say. If a squirrel pisses on the tire of a Dodge it won’t start.
The slag that he broke off is not likely to damage the engine..the stud, on the other hand, will. If only you could all see how much carbon these engine ingest form the EGR, you would wonder how they even run. I've never seen this failure on the Red Cummins..looks like it's only happening on the FCA version.
We know who to blame on that note California has idiots so now you can't hual your equipment for your business all cuz of the epa CCA lol
SO how did you fix it?
When is banks going to release the six gun tuner for the 2016 ram cummins?
More than happy to explain. We'll have one available, but we've been quiet about a release date for our new Ram 6.7l Derringer tuning devices. Why? We're developing a new Derringer platform that shares nothing with the current GM/Ford Derringer except the name. Manipulating features like boost (MAP) and fuel (FRP) are not enough. The 13+ 6.7l Cummins model-year trucks are forcing us to take larger steps to innovate and add more features: control injector pulse width/timing, a larger circuit board, newer robust software, and an app that ties into our Banks tuner/control ecosystem. It's been a methodical and tedious process. Once this new Derringer platform is dyno tested, dialed in, and ready for all the 6.7l Cummins platforms, we'll launch it.
It takes ALOT to recall and usually requires persuasion from law makers. Im curious if Dodge has a TSB out for this? They must. I can’t believe they don’t.
Gotta do things right👍
Unbelievable!
Can someone high up from FCA please watch this?!
Was this a problem on 2011 rams? Mine seized just under 30,000 miles, wondering if this was the cause.
I've heard it affects all Dodges sporting Cummins with stock grid heaters, including the 5.9 12v
Need that 07-12 C.A.R.B. sticker 🤞
I travel full time and have no time or money for failures like a bolt falling apart in the intake of my 2016 Ram. As soon as I heard of this potential problem, I ordered the Monster Ram intake and had it installed. Looking at the underside of the factory intake manifold and seeing all that soot also made sick to look at. This is the fault of the EGR system, blowing exhaust back into the engine in an effort to making the truck "run cleaner". Sounds exactly like a government solution, pump dirty exhaust into the engine to make it run "Cleaner". Glad I'm not dealing with that.
That's not what the EGR is for, it reduces oxygen to the CAT so it doesn't over heat and get destroyed. It's not about mileage or running cleaner, it protects the CAT from overheating.
I'm surprised this isn't part of a recall. Having your engine croak in a bad place like the middle of the freeway is a problem for not just the owner but the traveling public.
What year Cummins have this design defect ?
2007-2022. However, see the failures most commonly on 2013-2018.
Yes looks about right. Up here in Alaska the carbon build up gets so bad rocks of carbon go into the cylinder and then bye bye pistons and valves
Water injection system will keep the intake clean from EGR build up. Run it once a week to keep the carbon build up away.
What is the grid heater used for?
Simply put, the heater grid is used to raise the incoming air charge as the air passes into the intake manifold. This heated air charge aids in the ignition of the diesel fuel-air mixture in cold weather environment.
What's that cost to fix
i thought that dog was outside my window lol
I bet that dude is nuts after a 6 pack
Haha
That's what you get when you buy a lamb!😮😂😅
There’s a recall on this, funny is it says nothing about possible engine damage but only a malfunctioning grid heater
Good video
Did Banks grid heater delete, that should take care of it.
Wow, 12 valve or nothing. Confirmed
Still drive my 89 twelve valve best truck ever
I have a ram 1500 classic with the 5.7 liter, does it have these defective parts as well?
Yep
@SnarkyRC it's got defective lifters , but it don't have a heater in the valve covers , I got a 03 1/2 ton , automatic , quad cab , with a blown up 5.7 hemi , im not a big fan of that motor though , im trying to figure out what I wanta attempt to put in it ..
First the killer dowel pin on the 5.9... Now the killer grid heater bolt on the 6.7 😂😂
This is the reason I did a grid heater delete in California.
Egr soot build up possibly from not deleting it ?
Its a SoCal truck, so the emissions nazis of Commiefornia will drop the hammer on the man for making his truck better by deleting it.
I’m sure it’s a contributor, but it’s the voltage going to the bolt welding it…look at where he shows it’s like a stalagmite, like “dripping metal.” Ram recalled my 21 for the grid heater relay, so they HAVE to know…
The soot is from egr, but that looks fantastic for 100,000 miles compared to some I’ve seen. The 2007.5-2012 were much worse, they used a lot more egr during those years.
@@Steadierpark I believe the solenoid was changed for the 19+ trucks, which is the ones with the recall.
You have heat a steel bolt going thru an aluminum casted grid heater. You have galvanic corrosion and what not.
Just like the killer dowel pin in the 5.9s.
So after you install the Banks Intake does the truck throw codes.
If it's installed correctly, no.
@@bankspower Another question does it alter the factory warranty.
@@crazyjoe2006 This is dependent on the dealer's stance on aftermarket parts. Treat the Monster-Ram as you would with altering the truck's suspension. Most dealerships understand accessories like upgraded suspension systems is harmless, however, some dealers are not as forgiving. Always check with your service advisor prior to dropping off your truck. Are they ok with aftermarket accessories? If the dealership recommends avoiding aftermarket mods, find one that embraces them. There are plenty of dealerships who install and warrant trucks with aftermarket parts.
No why😢