ATI Radeon 9200 SE Review - A cheap Retro Graphics Card
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They're everywhere. I found one in my fridge this morning.
true just found two in a box i had laying around LOL
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Radeon 9200 SE, GeForce MX440 and GeForce FX5200 ar everywhere.
Fx 5200 is the best worth 100 dollar still to my retro gaming.
I had one of these, passively cooled, red board. I loved the thing. I ran Win XP back then and played so many games with this little thing, including Far Cry and Republic Commando, which I couldn't believe worked on such a low profile card. Like someone else said here, it was the card of my childhood.
It's the very first video card I owned. Although it was a cut down model, I managed to play NFS Carbon and Tomb Raider Anniversary. And NFS Underground, Underground 2, Most Wanted...Good times.
Miguel Que all of the good need for speed games :)
did play paikiller like a charm ! while my gf2 ti could not
Better than the shitty intel gma 3150 that my netbook had. It was only pc around 2010.
Awfull times i must say...
My first graphics card too, and my first overclock...since this day i overclock all my stuff and never look back.
This was actually my very first GPU back in the day. I believe around the year 2000/2001.
After that I got the 9800 pro. Then the X800. Then switch to nvidia Geforce 9800, Back to Radeon HD4870 X2.
Finally a Nvidia 980ti which I'm using now. Planning to go upgrade to 3080 this year.
This brings back memories. I used to use a Radeon 9200 SE in highschool. But it was a PCI card! It was terribly slow. Still have it stored away somewhere.
I have a 64MB 9200 Pro. Works very well, Thanks for the Video
Men thank you, because of this video i've remembered i have one of these somewhere and i needed it for something haha anyway great video as always :)
Ahhhh Delta Force: Land Warrior
This brings back some memories. Built my first PC with a Radeon 9200 Pro.
Very interesting video. Never knew there was a 9250 SE around. The 9200 SE was the very first video card i bought brand new for my then brand new P4 2.6Ghz machine. Used that machine right up till the end of 2006 when i got a brand new core2duo machine built. I also have many old Dell laptops with Radeon Mobility GPU solutions in them. The Radeon 9000 mobility in my Latitude D600 overclocks like a champion compared to the card in your video. The Radeon X300 mobility also overclocks very well and performs nice in old titles.
great video...im running the 9250 64bit in my vintage machine
Fun video as always Phil.
I have a friend that bought one of these back in ~2003 to upgrade from his MX 440 and play Morrowind. Well, turns out it probably was a downgrade, but he was probably already way too CPU limited, not to mention had few RAM to notice, but at least he got Pixel Shader water which made him happy :D.
You should do a follow up video with a vanilla 9200 or 9250 to show just how much of a hit this card takes when using a 64bit bus or perhaps even bring the 8500/9100 to the table and show how much performance the 9000/9200/9250 cards lose in comparison to the 8500/9100.
Great video Phil.
Very good video, found some nice games to play from you.... thanks
I have a 10 years old Radeon 9200 in my retro build(Athlon xp 2600+ ).It was the first video card I could afford and one of the rare piece of hardware that survived for this long
Ah the infamous SE (Slow Edition) variants, sometimes also knows as the LE (Lame Edition). XD
9200 Shit Edition I had one of those xD
@@zhemin it's sad, but I only have one of those right now
@@samuelortizs what your running windows xp lol
I played half-life 2 back in 04 with one these
@@zhemin i had the 9800 le or se that was half the perfonmance for 9800 pro but whit omega drivers you could enable all the 8 cores and get the same performance that 9800 pro did half the price 200 € vs 9800pro 400€ great times !
I have one of these in the form of integrated graphics on my AM3 motherboard: ASRock 880GM-LE and it utilized 256MB of DDR3 system RAM. It was actually pretty decent for various multimedia related tasks especially for older games. I still have the board paired with an AMD Athlon II X4 and it's the heart of my parents' PC and it runs Windows 10 flawlessly
had almost this exact same build back in 2004
blew my mind just how well HL2 looked and ran on it
Half life 2 seemed to run on anything. I played it on a 7300LE with no trouble
You're right about this card finding you instead of finding it. My buddy gave me a few of his Pentium 4 retro machines which I took out the parts to put into modern cases with modern power supplies and one of them had a Radeon 9200 SE card in it. It runs a lot of games pretty nicely. It's a good card for sure.
Nostalgic feelings for this card as my AGP Pentium 4 GPU. You rules the retro scene.
I've got a 9200SE, but with 64 mb, from my older brothers old system. Paired it with a Pentium 3 and a Voodoo 2. I had lots of fun with it and tweaking many games to get some extra fps out of it (i even got Doom 3, Gothic 3, UT2004 and CoD2 to run somewhat playable after hours of tweaking).
I used to have a 9250 128Mb in a Pentium 3 667Mhz with 512Mb of RAM.
Surprisingly, I managed to run UT2004 at a playable framerate with that rig.
I wish i didn't give that rig to a friend when I upgraded to a Core Duo. It could have made for a pretty good retro gaming rig.
I once salvaged one of these from my brother-in-law's junker Packard-Bell, as a replacement for the Geforce 2 MX in my dad's old hand me down Pentium 4 way back in 2009. Itself an emergency replacement for a busted FX 5200 back in 2005. Wasn't much to write home about for 2009 standards but the 128mb were a welcome improvement over the 32mb of the MX to haul me over until I had the funds to build myself a propper PC late in 2010.
I had one of these cards with a PCI interface, great for testing old motherboards without AGP slots and for fault finding on faulty AGP slot motherboards :)
i remember playing on this card in call of duty on lan party :*)
My first graphics card
Phil your psychic, I've just got one in a shuttle xpc with an Athlon 1800+
Interesting. I got a bunch of 9250 back in the day. I loved those cards. They were dirt cheap and performed well enough for me to play games up to 2006. Half life 2 ran decently on it which was awesome.
The 2 variants I still have lying around are the A9250 128M from ASUS and the RX9250 128M from MSI. Fun fact, that MSI variant uses modern BGA Hynix RAM chips and I wonder if that changes anything.
9200SE was my first dedicated graphics card, nice find. I remember playing NFS:Underground 1/2 on it with almost all ( available ) settings enabled. And if I recall correctly, it could be overclocked a bit as well.
One interesting thing about this card is its compatibility. There are drivers for it for damn near everything, from older Macintoshes to Amigas and even QNX.
Interestingly the R200-based cards DO support multi-sampling AA, but it's still extremely slow and only functions in Direct3D games. Still it was quite advanced as it used a programmable sampling pattern which I'm not sure was ever attempted thereafter.
Would that be the performance AA setting? I totally overlooked that slider and didn't test it.
I do in fact own one of these, stumbled across it 3 weeks ago when I searched for something else in my old PC part boxes.
If have absolutely no idea where this one came from.
I had this card. The last game I tried to run on it was TESIV: Oblivion. Obviously, that was just for fun. There were no textures! Everything was white, and you could barely make out the scenery by looking for a seam between the walls and floors. NFS Underground 2 Dub Edition work pretty well on this card, except for the fact that I had to deal with 2 FPS on the drifting only courses. F.E.A.R worked quite well on medium settings. I was happy with this card because it was the first time I'd ever seen water reflections in Morrowind!
The rest of the time I used this card for rendering images in Anim8er. It was quite an impressive 3D animation program. It took a while to learn though. This card got me through 4 years of an online 3D high school in Active Worlds (similar to Second Life).
Radeon 9250
Used to have one in the family computer. I don’t recall really thinking of it as a bad card but low-end also meant something different back then. Also I came from an ATi 3D Rage 2MB so.. well.. :)
Very similar to the Mobility Radeon 9200, that found its way into some laptops at least in some titles...Such as my first one. Very nice review.
Yea ATI did really well with the 9000 series in notebooks. They even had fast 9700 I believe.
I can confirm this. I own an Acer Aspire 1660 with a desktop P4 2.8 GHz and an ATi Mobility Radeon 9700 (256 MB). I managed to run Windows 98 on it and it's a beast for retro gaming!
I've had this exact card for a long time! Played games like Wolfenstein: ET on it. Eventually upgraded to an X1950GT
It founds me, too😆 Have 3 or 4 of them in my hardware box.
I used to have this card. The first computer part i bought by myself!
I have one of those I got from a computer I found at the road but it won't work but I haven't tried re flowing the solder so I'll have to try that.
Nice I just stuffed one of these in my Slot A FIC SD11 900mhz Athlon rig along with 512mb ram a pair of STB 3dfx voodoo 2s in sli and a AWE64 value soundcard :) Mine has VGA and Composite out only.
I ♡ this episode ~
I got it as 6 dollars including de
Delivery fee 2 dollars.
15:01 Brings back memories.
I had a Pentium 4 2.8Ghz Northwood paired with this. It played the HL1 games like CS and DOD very well for the time. I replaced it with an Athlon 3500+/x2 4200+ and the x1650/8800GTS 320MB later on. I miss those days of rapid, affordable innovation.
2004.. my 1st pc and agp.. prince of persia, nfs, counter strike, gta, fifa, winning eleven, quake 3 what else I miss... Yeah the emulator games.. taxi, starcraft, battle realm, warcraft3 , thps , what else.. it was so many.. and LAN party... It was amazing miss that moment
I have a PCI version of Radeon 9250 with 256mb of VRAM and a TV tuner built in. I picked it up for free but I have no use with it at this moment. I intended to throw it into the dock of my ThinkPad but my 2000-2002 ThinkPads just won't play well with this card with all kinds of resource conflict issues.
And yes, the card is 100% working when put into my Pentium 4 Desktop
woah, the first video card i ever bought. that on-board HP video chipset was struggling to play Battlefield 1942 and this did the trick.
Had one of these in 2004, I remember that games ran pretty ok except for smoke and explosion effects :)
It was my first proper video card. Going from integrated Intel Graphics 2 on an Asrock 775i65g and my Core2Duo E6300 I could finally play GTA San Andreas at a decent framerate, and NFS Most Wanted. Good times were had.
Yupp! Had one 9200 64mb 128bit card from HIS.
I have a PowerColor 9250 256MB AGP8x. I did some win98 benchmarking a couple months ago. In Q3 arena, Expendable and Unreal it is faster than the GF2ti and the Kyro2 but it is slower than both of these in glQuake, Quake2 and MDK2! The test system was a s478 Nothrwood P4 @ 3GHz and 512MB DDR-400 (Fujitsu DS-D1675 , SiS 648FX chipset)
I had a lot of 9200's,i mean a lot.Two SE edition i was able to get the core up to 300mhz -50% OC at ease-but its pretty much mem bandwith limited.Good choice for a cheap retro P III/Athlon PC.
Wow. My PIII-750 had this when I got it for free, running Windows 98. And even on this, I get the feeling the GPU bottlenecks.
As someone who owns a 8500 LE, a 9200 and a 9600 Pro LE that is quite the interesting card too add.
The time when AF actually decreased performance noticably.
About that AA: I wonder how it scales against resolution in general. Does doubling the resolution result in less than half the performance as with the AA?
Just found one in an old closet. It was my father's when I was a kid :)
can anyone point me to the correct XP SP4 download link that you would load on a computer that's already been running XP SP3 ? I've been trying to figure it out all day but they are using terms we never used back in the days i was in IT.....
I looked at my storage bin of old components and found two of those and one 5200fx, don't know how i got them.
What does Performance-Quality switch in Catalyst antialiasing section do? I thought that "Performance" option switches card into Multisampling mode.
Good question, I totally overlooked this setting!
I have ati radeon r92le, Do You know if I can install ATI Radeon r92le in a motherboard PCChips a13g+?
I just bought a 9200 but it looks way different than this one and it’s like in an L shape? Is there a way to find out my exact model so I can get an accurate review for my specific one
I had the normal version of this card in my pc back in 2003. it was my first ever GPU. it could play anything at 1024 x 768 medium settings or higher. when far cry came out, i played it on low or medium 1024 x 768, or high at 800 x 600. I was using a crt monitor that had a native resolution of 1280 x 1024. CRTs made any resolution look good.
That's one benefit of a DirectX 8 GPU, newer X9 capable games would run DX8 mode with lower settings, but better performance. Like Far Cry or Half-Life 2.
used to have a variant of this with a composite and S video connector, but the thing was dead since i had it (gpu artifacts all over the place)
Love your reviews, wish I'd found you sooner, could have saved myself a lot of money .
Will this card work well in DOS? I'm building a machine which I want to run fairly well with non demanding games up until about 2005, more importantly for me, works backwards in Win 98 and back to DOS. If not, then what would be a good, readily available and relatively cheap retro card which covers DOS, Win 98 and basic, non demanding Win XP? Preferably AGP
It should work fine for DOS, though I've never used it extensively and tested a lot of games. But look, it's really cheap, so give it a go and see if it works for you!
Many thanks for the reply and yeah, you're right, what have I got to lose trying it :)
Yet another great video, it's actually surprising how good the perf is for such a low end card, obviously it was woefully underpowered for the cost at launch, but still, with how cheap they are, if you're on a tight budget it's not the worst thing you can buy.
On a slightly different note, I have an interesting experiment that I want to try, maybe you can help me Phil with finding info on it.
I've got a PowerMac G5 ATi 9600 64MB AGP that I'd like to get working on a PC, but obviously it won't do anything without modification, and I was wondering if you had any resource detailing the steps and potential pitfalls of doing so, if it is even possible.
I know that at a minimum I need to tape off pins 3 and 11 to make the card appear as AGP4x , and I need to flash a pc vbios to the card, but I am unsure if the card will successfully take a pc vbios, or if I'll even be able to back up the current vbios in the first place, or if there are hardware mods that are also required and obviously I don't want to screw up a perfectly working card if I can help it. :)
I know you can make a PC card work in a mac, but I want to see if it's possible to go the other way just as an experiment.
I know nothing about Apple stuff, sorry!
PhilsComputerLab I had a feeling that might be the case, but thanks anyway, it was worth a shot :)
I'm gonna give it a go anyway, cause I don't have a use for it as a mac GPU, nor is it particularly valuable, and if it does work I've got a system it'll drop into where it'll be quite a decent upgrade. Wish me luck!
I had 2 Radeons 9250's. One, I got with my 2nd PC, and I don't remember an heavy usage for it. The second Radeon was from brother's PC. Both got broken, but I can saw, how powerful enough it is, to just play some 2004-2006 games.
P.S.: I had both air cooled and silent cooled.
Is it worth getting the radeon 9200 pro over the se version?
Im on a sff p4 2,53ghz 1gb ram.
I have a Powercolor 9250 128MB with 128 bit interface running with an AXP 2000+ in my Win98 rig on a MSI via KM266 board. Its fast enough for everything upto DX8 and before. I also like the fact that it is passive and doesn't make racket. I have faster AGP cards but the passive cooler is a big deal for me. It even overclocks to 275 core / 250 mem. Not bad for 9$ shipped. I'd love a comparison video of the 64 bit and the 128 bit variants of this card.
Hello, does this card support Windows 10? It does not show all the resolution options that the monitor can support.
Ah the gpu of my childhood. Used it with windows vista until 2012 when my P4 motherboard burned. Used to play gta vc and nfs underground 2 a lot on this beast. I even tried minecraft once.
Haha this was the gpu that came with my first PC with a AMD Sempron single core. And btw the selection of games brings so many memories.
I've got like... 4 of these things lurking about, and a AiW 9200 but that's got the 128bit bus. I've also got three identical 370 boards with 1Ghz P3s, so just with how common 9200SEs are I could use 'em to build three identical computers. :P
Super happy to see a video on these cards though~ :D
I saw some cheap 9000 AIW cards on eBay, but brace yourself, they have some propriety signal output, and of course, the cable isn't included! @#$@X#$
That's weird. Is it like that dual DVI thing? My 9200 AiW just has VGA, DVI and I think either S-Video or composite. Came in an old Dimension. Not too in the market to grab any more graphics cards ATM, need to hoard some cases and such first to put computers in xD
Yea it's a low profile version, looks quite cute, but without the cable not usable. www.ebay.com.au/itm/ATI-All-In-Wonder-9000-Pro-64MB-DDR-AGP-Video-Card-w-TV-Tuner-CARD-ONLY-NEW/221769309876?e
MX 440 or RADEON 9250, wich is a better choice for Windows 98?
Oh damn, I was going through my box of old computer parts for my early 2000s Win98 build and this is the exact model of one of the video cards I got.
I think I'm gonna try GeForce 6200 first, it's one of the last video cards to support Win98 after all, so it will probably outperform a typical 2001 gaming build. This will be my other option.
My first REAL 3D accelerator ready card.
I got this card in 2007, paired with a P4 630, as a much needed upgrade from the (awful) Intel i810.
This cheap card did really well. I guess the cpu still did most of the work at this point. Had one in an old pre buld back in the day, ran ffxi, wow, farcry, half life 2 and doom 3 decently, couldnt say that about low end cards trying to run graphic intensive games today.
I had a 256MB Radeon 9200 with 128 bit memory bus. Would be interesting to compare it to the 9200SE, I guess antialias performance would be higher.
Hey do anyone know if a better chipset existed in old amd boards (since socket A/462 durons to athlons) than those via or sis chipsets? I can only seem to find them.
But at least in the c2d age those same brands were really bad in performance and even in features and compatibility, and the intels were much better.
Thanks for your nice review, i wonder what the level of AA you used in NFS 3 ?
Didn't I mention it??
at the first gameplay i see NFS 3 looks nice, but you mentioned the AA you used in NFS High Staks.
No AA then!
looks nicer than usual
Ahh I remember my red board 9250, eventually when it would kill my display while playing Warcraft 3 and I knew it's life was over.
This beast ran Minecraft alpha at playable frames but completely shat itself when I tried throwing League of Legends at it.
I bought this when the FX 5200 in my childhood desktop died (or so i thought the fan was just seized) oddly when I tried installing the windows 98 drivers for this it still complains about drivers and wont let me go above 640x480 but the FX 5200 is fine, excpet the first time I installed the drivers for the it the windows 98 screen was slightly glitched and it was blasting static at max volume, one restart later and its fine weirdly enough
It's compatible with widescreen monitors?
Phil: For a Pentium 4 and Win98 SE, do you reccomend the Ge Force 4 MX 4000 or the Radeon 9250 ? To play games like Soldier of Fortune (and other Quake2 engine games), No One Lives Forever, Turok 2, Need for Speed 3, Need for speed high stakes...
Both should work out well!
@@philscomputerlab Thank you very much!! I have both
There must be an ATI AIO WONDER RADEON Tuner/graphics card, what about using this card on a m2n68-la (Narra3) motherboard with a AMD PHENOM II X6 and 64GB of DDR3 RAM, and a 100TB Data-Centre SSD and see how you go.
I had a 9250SE with 256 MB that I got when my parents bought our Pentium 4 HT, back in early 2005. Not a bad card for basic stuff like Web browsing or watching movies, but when I started playing games, we've upgrade to a Sapphire X1550.
It's a shame that last year I trashed my 9250SE, but the VRAM started to fail... Oh well...
I "upgraded" from the 9250 to a variant of the X1550. This should be a crime but mine came with 32-bit memory and somehow ran slower in the games I played. I tossed that so fast.
Good board, like
I played fable 1 and assassin creed 1 on it and it's still working right now
hi philis , i have a 9250 128mb 64bit card , how can i find patches for truform games? can it do truform in hardware or software , if u can do please make a video, i like to know how can it be.
special thanks to you 🙏🍻
I have one of these lol. Looking to get rid of it, might toss into a pc to sell. Any suggestions otherwise? With the current GPU market maybe I should list it for alone for $100 XD
My first graphic card. The computer consisted of kind of an Athlon CPU, 512mb Ram, 80G Samsung Hard drive. I played Call of duty 1 and 2, Rome Total War, GTA Vice City, Mafia 1, Neverwinter nights, Max Payne 2, Half Life 2, Age Of Empire 2, Starcraft, Diablo 2, Warcraft Frozen Throne.. Still I can remember What I played, and I have that feelings. That time I was a young explorer. It was a great time.
Return to Castle Wolfenstein looks very good
While i didn't have this card i do have a 9550 I've mentioned before from gigabyte which does identify itself as a 9600 board oddly enough (guessing my dad or our neighbour flashed it at some point hoping too get some extra performance.)
it did work quite well for overclocking the 9550 64 bit 256 mb, even managed too run the Fear 1 benchmark with 60+ fps at 800x600 with a mixed amount of settings in my windows xp machine with 1 gb ram and a pentium 4 2.8 ghz ht cpu, does go too 3 ghz this pentium 4.
Currently that pc has a ati hd 2400 pro 256 mb in it due too a bit newer architechture & being slightly faster as well.
Marcus60661 the 9550 series has the same GPU as the 9600 series thats why it was identified as 9600. The 9550 was one of the best budget cards ever, it could be overclocked from 250 / 400 mhz to 450 / 450 mhz.. the performance improved by 50-60%.
The 9550 has been mentioned a few times, guess I'll have to look into it :D
The 9500 Pro was still the faster cards and some could even be unlocked to 9700 Pros.
The 9600 and 9550 were a tad slower.
Somebody understand their naming scheme.
9500 > 9550/9600
9200 Pro > 9100 > 9200 > 9000 Pro > 9250 > 9200 SE
HD 4770 > HD 4830
HD 8470 > HD 8490
Same goes with Nvidia:
4600 > 4800 SE
7200 GS > 7300 SE
GT 220 > GT 320
GT 730 > GT 720 > GT 730
It goes completely against the common sense that a card with a bigger number is slower than one with a smaller number from the same series.
I have the 9200 se, it's not bad, it can play NFS Porsche Unleashed very well, as long as you pair it with a really fast CPU, mine is the full size card with 128mb
Man does that memory interface make a difference! I have the PCI version of the 9250, but it has a 128-bit bus. Despite the PCI interface and the much slower processors that I used (a PIII-S @ 1575 and a P4 2.4A), it scored a little over 6000 in 3DMark01 on both machines.
With 3DMark the driver version can also matter greatly. But yea, half the memory bandwidth is a huge loss.
I used 5.6 on the two machines I tested. Not sure how much faster or slower that is than 6.11, but your A64 4000+ has got to be at least twice as fast as the CPUs I used. :-)
Ah yea, that should be fine then :)
I have 9100 (AGP) with 128-bit bus. With Athlon XP 2600+ and Catalyst 5.12 it scores 8669 in 3DMark01. As a comparison, with same hardware GF4 MX440 scored 5768 and 9600XT with Catalyst 6.12 scored 11118. With P4 2.4 all cards got similar scores, in range of +-100 points. Same thing between Catalyst 5.12, 6.12 and their Omega variants, not much differences there. 9600XT with Athlon64 3400+ scored 13143. With 4xAA 9600XT is roughly three times faster than 9100. On the other hand, 9100 and Athlon XP manage to push average of 97fps in IOQuake3 with OpenGL1 renderer at 1680x1050 so it's pretty competitive without AA even with 9600XT. In 3DMark03, UT2k3 and newer titles it's a different story though and 9600XT is much faster there.
I have all of the carts you listed at the start (Geforce 4 MX, Geforce FX5200 and the Radeon 9200) and the only one I really wanted is the FX5200 because I needed a cheap low power PCI card capable of running most windows 98 games. And I have a Radeon 7000 which seems to be a really bad card.
It is indeed like a cockroach. They're apparently everywhere, but I've never seen one in my life.
I had an ATI radeon x1300 , 5 years ago and switched to nvidia GT 8500 and I sold it for 10 bucks now I have ATI radeon x1650 pro :)) I'm CS 1.6 those GPUs doing pretty well in this game 100 fps all maps in multiplayer better than HD 2000 graphic
So weird. I remember having one of these cards on a 1.1ghz p3 and hating how slow it was at pretty much everything... Wondering if it was the cpu now. I would have highly enjoyed gaming on it if it ran like this!
Well it came out around the same time of Radeon 9700, 9800, so much faster CPUs than 1 GHz Pentium III were standard. So yea, if you played games from that era on a Pentium III, the CPU would hold everything back.
How much do they cost?
SP 4 ? Works great ?
Yup works fine, but might need a faster PC.