I had one of these, passively cooled, red board. I loved the thing. I ran Win XP back then and played so many games with this little thing, including Far Cry and Republic Commando, which I couldn't believe worked on such a low profile card. Like someone else said here, it was the card of my childhood.
It's the very first video card I owned. Although it was a cut down model, I managed to play NFS Carbon and Tomb Raider Anniversary. And NFS Underground, Underground 2, Most Wanted...Good times.
I have a 10 years old Radeon 9200 in my retro build(Athlon xp 2600+ ).It was the first video card I could afford and one of the rare piece of hardware that survived for this long
I used to have a 9250 128Mb in a Pentium 3 667Mhz with 512Mb of RAM. Surprisingly, I managed to run UT2004 at a playable framerate with that rig. I wish i didn't give that rig to a friend when I upgraded to a Core Duo. It could have made for a pretty good retro gaming rig.
This was actually my very first GPU back in the day. I believe around the year 2000/2001. After that I got the 9800 pro. Then the X800. Then switch to nvidia Geforce 9800, Back to Radeon HD4870 X2. Finally a Nvidia 980ti which I'm using now. Planning to go upgrade to 3080 this year.
This brings back memories. I used to use a Radeon 9200 SE in highschool. But it was a PCI card! It was terribly slow. Still have it stored away somewhere.
I have one of these in the form of integrated graphics on my AM3 motherboard: ASRock 880GM-LE and it utilized 256MB of DDR3 system RAM. It was actually pretty decent for various multimedia related tasks especially for older games. I still have the board paired with an AMD Athlon II X4 and it's the heart of my parents' PC and it runs Windows 10 flawlessly
Interestingly the R200-based cards DO support multi-sampling AA, but it's still extremely slow and only functions in Direct3D games. Still it was quite advanced as it used a programmable sampling pattern which I'm not sure was ever attempted thereafter.
I've got a 9200SE, but with 64 mb, from my older brothers old system. Paired it with a Pentium 3 and a Voodoo 2. I had lots of fun with it and tweaking many games to get some extra fps out of it (i even got Doom 3, Gothic 3, UT2004 and CoD2 to run somewhat playable after hours of tweaking).
@@zhemin i had the 9800 le or se that was half the perfonmance for 9800 pro but whit omega drivers you could enable all the 8 cores and get the same performance that 9800 pro did half the price 200 € vs 9800pro 400€ great times !
I can confirm this. I own an Acer Aspire 1660 with a desktop P4 2.8 GHz and an ATi Mobility Radeon 9700 (256 MB). I managed to run Windows 98 on it and it's a beast for retro gaming!
Fun video as always Phil. I have a friend that bought one of these back in ~2003 to upgrade from his MX 440 and play Morrowind. Well, turns out it probably was a downgrade, but he was probably already way too CPU limited, not to mention had few RAM to notice, but at least he got Pixel Shader water which made him happy :D. You should do a follow up video with a vanilla 9200 or 9250 to show just how much of a hit this card takes when using a 64bit bus or perhaps even bring the 8500/9100 to the table and show how much performance the 9000/9200/9250 cards lose in comparison to the 8500/9100.
Very interesting video. Never knew there was a 9250 SE around. The 9200 SE was the very first video card i bought brand new for my then brand new P4 2.6Ghz machine. Used that machine right up till the end of 2006 when i got a brand new core2duo machine built. I also have many old Dell laptops with Radeon Mobility GPU solutions in them. The Radeon 9000 mobility in my Latitude D600 overclocks like a champion compared to the card in your video. The Radeon X300 mobility also overclocks very well and performs nice in old titles.
I once salvaged one of these from my brother-in-law's junker Packard-Bell, as a replacement for the Geforce 2 MX in my dad's old hand me down Pentium 4 way back in 2009. Itself an emergency replacement for a busted FX 5200 back in 2005. Wasn't much to write home about for 2009 standards but the 128mb were a welcome improvement over the 32mb of the MX to haul me over until I had the funds to build myself a propper PC late in 2010.
You're right about this card finding you instead of finding it. My buddy gave me a few of his Pentium 4 retro machines which I took out the parts to put into modern cases with modern power supplies and one of them had a Radeon 9200 SE card in it. It runs a lot of games pretty nicely. It's a good card for sure.
Well the biggest issue was 64mb of vram instead 128mb which was way much better for games, up to 50% more fps just because of vram, I remamber when 15 fps in NFW Most Wanted with medium settings was "blessing from God", that memories... My very first build was in 2004: 256mb ram ddr1 333mhz, Athlon 2200+ 1.8 ghz, Asus A7V8-XX motherboard, Samsung 80gb hard disk, Samsung Sync Master 753S monitor, A4 tech mouse, I was 14 years old back then...
One interesting thing about this card is its compatibility. There are drivers for it for damn near everything, from older Macintoshes to Amigas and even QNX.
I have a PowerColor 9250 256MB AGP8x. I did some win98 benchmarking a couple months ago. In Q3 arena, Expendable and Unreal it is faster than the GF2ti and the Kyro2 but it is slower than both of these in glQuake, Quake2 and MDK2! The test system was a s478 Nothrwood P4 @ 3GHz and 512MB DDR-400 (Fujitsu DS-D1675 , SiS 648FX chipset)
While i didn't have this card i do have a 9550 I've mentioned before from gigabyte which does identify itself as a 9600 board oddly enough (guessing my dad or our neighbour flashed it at some point hoping too get some extra performance.) it did work quite well for overclocking the 9550 64 bit 256 mb, even managed too run the Fear 1 benchmark with 60+ fps at 800x600 with a mixed amount of settings in my windows xp machine with 1 gb ram and a pentium 4 2.8 ghz ht cpu, does go too 3 ghz this pentium 4. Currently that pc has a ati hd 2400 pro 256 mb in it due too a bit newer architechture & being slightly faster as well.
Marcus60661 the 9550 series has the same GPU as the 9600 series thats why it was identified as 9600. The 9550 was one of the best budget cards ever, it could be overclocked from 250 / 400 mhz to 450 / 450 mhz.. the performance improved by 50-60%.
Somebody understand their naming scheme. 9500 > 9550/9600 9200 Pro > 9100 > 9200 > 9000 Pro > 9250 > 9200 SE HD 4770 > HD 4830 HD 8470 > HD 8490 Same goes with Nvidia: 4600 > 4800 SE 7200 GS > 7300 SE GT 220 > GT 320 GT 730 > GT 720 > GT 730 It goes completely against the common sense that a card with a bigger number is slower than one with a smaller number from the same series.
Used to have one in the family computer. I don’t recall really thinking of it as a bad card but low-end also meant something different back then. Also I came from an ATi 3D Rage 2MB so.. well.. :)
I had one of these cards with a PCI interface, great for testing old motherboards without AGP slots and for fault finding on faulty AGP slot motherboards :)
I have a PCI version of Radeon 9250 with 256mb of VRAM and a TV tuner built in. I picked it up for free but I have no use with it at this moment. I intended to throw it into the dock of my ThinkPad but my 2000-2002 ThinkPads just won't play well with this card with all kinds of resource conflict issues. And yes, the card is 100% working when put into my Pentium 4 Desktop
I had a lot of 9200's,i mean a lot.Two SE edition i was able to get the core up to 300mhz -50% OC at ease-but its pretty much mem bandwith limited.Good choice for a cheap retro P III/Athlon PC.
It was my first proper video card. Going from integrated Intel Graphics 2 on an Asrock 775i65g and my Core2Duo E6300 I could finally play GTA San Andreas at a decent framerate, and NFS Most Wanted. Good times were had.
I had this card. The last game I tried to run on it was TESIV: Oblivion. Obviously, that was just for fun. There were no textures! Everything was white, and you could barely make out the scenery by looking for a seam between the walls and floors. NFS Underground 2 Dub Edition work pretty well on this card, except for the fact that I had to deal with 2 FPS on the drifting only courses. F.E.A.R worked quite well on medium settings. I was happy with this card because it was the first time I'd ever seen water reflections in Morrowind! The rest of the time I used this card for rendering images in Anim8er. It was quite an impressive 3D animation program. It took a while to learn though. This card got me through 4 years of an online 3D high school in Active Worlds (similar to Second Life). Radeon 9250
Interesting. I got a bunch of 9250 back in the day. I loved those cards. They were dirt cheap and performed well enough for me to play games up to 2006. Half life 2 ran decently on it which was awesome. The 2 variants I still have lying around are the A9250 128M from ASUS and the RX9250 128M from MSI. Fun fact, that MSI variant uses modern BGA Hynix RAM chips and I wonder if that changes anything.
I had the normal version of this card in my pc back in 2003. it was my first ever GPU. it could play anything at 1024 x 768 medium settings or higher. when far cry came out, i played it on low or medium 1024 x 768, or high at 800 x 600. I was using a crt monitor that had a native resolution of 1280 x 1024. CRTs made any resolution look good.
That's one benefit of a DirectX 8 GPU, newer X9 capable games would run DX8 mode with lower settings, but better performance. Like Far Cry or Half-Life 2.
I had a Pentium 4 2.8Ghz Northwood paired with this. It played the HL1 games like CS and DOD very well for the time. I replaced it with an Athlon 3500+/x2 4200+ and the x1650/8800GTS 320MB later on. I miss those days of rapid, affordable innovation.
I do in fact own one of these, stumbled across it 3 weeks ago when I searched for something else in my old PC part boxes. If have absolutely no idea where this one came from.
2004.. my 1st pc and agp.. prince of persia, nfs, counter strike, gta, fifa, winning eleven, quake 3 what else I miss... Yeah the emulator games.. taxi, starcraft, battle realm, warcraft3 , thps , what else.. it was so many.. and LAN party... It was amazing miss that moment
I had 2 Radeons 9250's. One, I got with my 2nd PC, and I don't remember an heavy usage for it. The second Radeon was from brother's PC. Both got broken, but I can saw, how powerful enough it is, to just play some 2004-2006 games.
Ahh I remember my red board 9250, eventually when it would kill my display while playing Warcraft 3 and I knew it's life was over. This beast ran Minecraft alpha at playable frames but completely shat itself when I tried throwing League of Legends at it.
My first graphic card. The computer consisted of kind of an Athlon CPU, 512mb Ram, 80G Samsung Hard drive. I played Call of duty 1 and 2, Rome Total War, GTA Vice City, Mafia 1, Neverwinter nights, Max Payne 2, Half Life 2, Age Of Empire 2, Starcraft, Diablo 2, Warcraft Frozen Throne.. Still I can remember What I played, and I have that feelings. That time I was a young explorer. It was a great time.
9200SE was my first dedicated graphics card, nice find. I remember playing NFS:Underground 1/2 on it with almost all ( available ) settings enabled. And if I recall correctly, it could be overclocked a bit as well.
I had a 9250SE with 256 MB that I got when my parents bought our Pentium 4 HT, back in early 2005. Not a bad card for basic stuff like Web browsing or watching movies, but when I started playing games, we've upgrade to a Sapphire X1550. It's a shame that last year I trashed my 9250SE, but the VRAM started to fail... Oh well...
I "upgraded" from the 9250 to a variant of the X1550. This should be a crime but mine came with 32-bit memory and somehow ran slower in the games I played. I tossed that so fast.
Nice I just stuffed one of these in my Slot A FIC SD11 900mhz Athlon rig along with 512mb ram a pair of STB 3dfx voodoo 2s in sli and a AWE64 value soundcard :) Mine has VGA and Composite out only.
Man does that memory interface make a difference! I have the PCI version of the 9250, but it has a 128-bit bus. Despite the PCI interface and the much slower processors that I used (a PIII-S @ 1575 and a P4 2.4A), it scored a little over 6000 in 3DMark01 on both machines.
I used 5.6 on the two machines I tested. Not sure how much faster or slower that is than 6.11, but your A64 4000+ has got to be at least twice as fast as the CPUs I used. :-)
I have 9100 (AGP) with 128-bit bus. With Athlon XP 2600+ and Catalyst 5.12 it scores 8669 in 3DMark01. As a comparison, with same hardware GF4 MX440 scored 5768 and 9600XT with Catalyst 6.12 scored 11118. With P4 2.4 all cards got similar scores, in range of +-100 points. Same thing between Catalyst 5.12, 6.12 and their Omega variants, not much differences there. 9600XT with Athlon64 3400+ scored 13143. With 4xAA 9600XT is roughly three times faster than 9100. On the other hand, 9100 and Athlon XP manage to push average of 97fps in IOQuake3 with OpenGL1 renderer at 1680x1050 so it's pretty competitive without AA even with 9600XT. In 3DMark03, UT2k3 and newer titles it's a different story though and 9600XT is much faster there.
I have a Powercolor 9250 128MB with 128 bit interface running with an AXP 2000+ in my Win98 rig on a MSI via KM266 board. Its fast enough for everything upto DX8 and before. I also like the fact that it is passive and doesn't make racket. I have faster AGP cards but the passive cooler is a big deal for me. It even overclocks to 275 core / 250 mem. Not bad for 9$ shipped. I'd love a comparison video of the 64 bit and the 128 bit variants of this card.
There must be an ATI AIO WONDER RADEON Tuner/graphics card, what about using this card on a m2n68-la (Narra3) motherboard with a AMD PHENOM II X6 and 64GB of DDR3 RAM, and a 100TB Data-Centre SSD and see how you go.
I just bought a 9200 but it looks way different than this one and it’s like in an L shape? Is there a way to find out my exact model so I can get an accurate review for my specific one
I had an ATI radeon x1300 , 5 years ago and switched to nvidia GT 8500 and I sold it for 10 bucks now I have ATI radeon x1650 pro :)) I'm CS 1.6 those GPUs doing pretty well in this game 100 fps all maps in multiplayer better than HD 2000 graphic
can anyone point me to the correct XP SP4 download link that you would load on a computer that's already been running XP SP3 ? I've been trying to figure it out all day but they are using terms we never used back in the days i was in IT.....
I just found an ABIT Radeon 9250 still in it's box in mint condition, but it's not an SE. I also have a NVidia BFG Geforce FX5500. I think they are both AGP 64-bit 128MiB. I doubt they are compatible with any budget modern computer. I think the Radeon might have come with the desktop (around 2003) and given it's the only one still in it's box the NVidia is highly likely the slightly better card
This cheap card did really well. I guess the cpu still did most of the work at this point. Had one in an old pre buld back in the day, ran ffxi, wow, farcry, half life 2 and doom 3 decently, couldnt say that about low end cards trying to run graphic intensive games today.
I have the 9200 se, it's not bad, it can play NFS Porsche Unleashed very well, as long as you pair it with a really fast CPU, mine is the full size card with 128mb
I used to swap my 9200se and mx400 like pants. Radeon had support for newer games like medieval 2 TW. But mx was faster for something like underground 2. So I would swap then depending on what I wanted to play. It lasted until I upgraded to x1550 pro and entered godmode.
Never had a Radeon 9200, but I do have a 9000. I honestly can't think of a reason why though. It came out late-2002 whereas my GF4 Ti4200 came out early-2002, so that time-line doesn't make sense. The only thing I can think of was that it was from one of my parents computers, because I couldn't bring myself to build them one without a discreet video card. Not that they would've needed it, all they used the computer for was to play Solitair's Journey for DOS.
Perhaps, although I would've thought the Ti4200 would still beat the non-pro. At least it wouldn't make sense to move from the 9000 to the Ti4200. Pretty sure I would've just bought the 9000 second hand or on clearance later. Either that or I just picked it up as a spare. My next card was a FX 5700, which I also think I've still got kicking around somewhere.
Always loved ATI's cards. I'm surprised at all the hate for them in the comments. I also loved 3DFX but whatever. NVidia never became my thing for whatever reason though i'm sure their cards are great too.
What's funny is that ATI a graphics powerhouse, but like many graphics companies, they struggled with the move from 2D to 3D. But they more than survived, whereas most other companies went bust.
jhj22 hey I have an old IceQ4HIS HD 4850 sitting in my storage. Never really used it except to test out Minecraft with a Fx 6300 cpu, which ran fine. The 512mb gddr3 variant. Not a bad card back in its day.
I wish I had a 7870, or something similar. Been using a GTX 950, but I'd like to make an all AMD build. Seems like 2GB cards aren't worth spitting on these days
I can agree 2GB is kinda pushing it on VRAM now of days. I have a RX560 2GB in a MOBA box I buil with a Ryzen 7 1700 mITX motherboard. I love how I can bring it to a friends house with ease.
I've got like... 4 of these things lurking about, and a AiW 9200 but that's got the 128bit bus. I've also got three identical 370 boards with 1Ghz P3s, so just with how common 9200SEs are I could use 'em to build three identical computers. :P Super happy to see a video on these cards though~ :D
That's weird. Is it like that dual DVI thing? My 9200 AiW just has VGA, DVI and I think either S-Video or composite. Came in an old Dimension. Not too in the market to grab any more graphics cards ATM, need to hoard some cases and such first to put computers in xD
Yea it's a low profile version, looks quite cute, but without the cable not usable. www.ebay.com.au/itm/ATI-All-In-Wonder-9000-Pro-64MB-DDR-AGP-Video-Card-w-TV-Tuner-CARD-ONLY-NEW/221769309876?e
@@philscomputerlab DOOM, Quake 2, Far Cry and a slew of others to relive the retro days ^^ although if i wanted my original setup id have this card in a Compaq Deskpro EN
If it wasn't for the commonality of these ati cards I never would have discovered that certain PCI ati radeon 7000 64mb card will work smoothly with the dual pentium pro. The ati version itself but not the other ati brands.
Oh damn, I was going through my box of old computer parts for my early 2000s Win98 build and this is the exact model of one of the video cards I got. I think I'm gonna try GeForce 6200 first, it's one of the last video cards to support Win98 after all, so it will probably outperform a typical 2001 gaming build. This will be my other option.
had Radeon 9000 for a bit good card kicked the crap out of the Geforce 4 MX and low end GeforceFX cards and was even faster then a 9600SE in almost all cases
Phil: For a Pentium 4 and Win98 SE, do you reccomend the Ge Force 4 MX 4000 or the Radeon 9250 ? To play games like Soldier of Fortune (and other Quake2 engine games), No One Lives Forever, Turok 2, Need for Speed 3, Need for speed high stakes...
Ah the gpu of my childhood. Used it with windows vista until 2012 when my P4 motherboard burned. Used to play gta vc and nfs underground 2 a lot on this beast. I even tried minecraft once.
The ATI 9250/256mb cards arent bad.... i recently picked up a Dell Dimension 3000(3.0Ghz/1gb pc2) running XP that had one installed, it was the 128bit PCI version, it ran WIN98 and some early XP games with great framerates, mostly played @ 800x600 with a max of 1024x768 resolution, with vsync, AA and AF turned off. Makes for a nice retro gaming machine, but the Dell Dimension 4600i would be even an better choice, since it offers an AGP 4x/8x slot that uses the i865 chipset for those P4c s478 processors running at 200Mhz FSB.
As someone who owns a 8500 LE, a 9200 and a 9600 Pro LE that is quite the interesting card too add. The time when AF actually decreased performance noticably. About that AA: I wonder how it scales against resolution in general. Does doubling the resolution result in less than half the performance as with the AA?
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I had one of these, passively cooled, red board. I loved the thing. I ran Win XP back then and played so many games with this little thing, including Far Cry and Republic Commando, which I couldn't believe worked on such a low profile card. Like someone else said here, it was the card of my childhood.
Radeon 9200 SE, GeForce MX440 and GeForce FX5200 ar everywhere.
Fx 5200 is the best worth 100 dollar still to my retro gaming.
They're everywhere. I found one in my fridge this morning.
true just found two in a box i had laying around LOL
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It's the very first video card I owned. Although it was a cut down model, I managed to play NFS Carbon and Tomb Raider Anniversary. And NFS Underground, Underground 2, Most Wanted...Good times.
Miguel Que all of the good need for speed games :)
did play paikiller like a charm ! while my gf2 ti could not
Better than the shitty intel gma 3150 that my netbook had. It was only pc around 2010.
Awfull times i must say...
My first graphics card too, and my first overclock...since this day i overclock all my stuff and never look back.
Ahhhh Delta Force: Land Warrior
I have a 64MB 9200 Pro. Works very well, Thanks for the Video
I have a 10 years old Radeon 9200 in my retro build(Athlon xp 2600+ ).It was the first video card I could afford and one of the rare piece of hardware that survived for this long
This brings back some memories. Built my first PC with a Radeon 9200 Pro.
I used to have a 9250 128Mb in a Pentium 3 667Mhz with 512Mb of RAM.
Surprisingly, I managed to run UT2004 at a playable framerate with that rig.
I wish i didn't give that rig to a friend when I upgraded to a Core Duo. It could have made for a pretty good retro gaming rig.
This was actually my very first GPU back in the day. I believe around the year 2000/2001.
After that I got the 9800 pro. Then the X800. Then switch to nvidia Geforce 9800, Back to Radeon HD4870 X2.
Finally a Nvidia 980ti which I'm using now. Planning to go upgrade to 3080 this year.
This brings back memories. I used to use a Radeon 9200 SE in highschool. But it was a PCI card! It was terribly slow. Still have it stored away somewhere.
I have one of these in the form of integrated graphics on my AM3 motherboard: ASRock 880GM-LE and it utilized 256MB of DDR3 system RAM. It was actually pretty decent for various multimedia related tasks especially for older games. I still have the board paired with an AMD Athlon II X4 and it's the heart of my parents' PC and it runs Windows 10 flawlessly
Interestingly the R200-based cards DO support multi-sampling AA, but it's still extremely slow and only functions in Direct3D games. Still it was quite advanced as it used a programmable sampling pattern which I'm not sure was ever attempted thereafter.
Would that be the performance AA setting? I totally overlooked that slider and didn't test it.
I've got a 9200SE, but with 64 mb, from my older brothers old system. Paired it with a Pentium 3 and a Voodoo 2. I had lots of fun with it and tweaking many games to get some extra fps out of it (i even got Doom 3, Gothic 3, UT2004 and CoD2 to run somewhat playable after hours of tweaking).
Ah the infamous SE (Slow Edition) variants, sometimes also knows as the LE (Lame Edition). XD
9200 Shit Edition I had one of those xD
@@zhemin it's sad, but I only have one of those right now
@@samuelortizs what your running windows xp lol
I played half-life 2 back in 04 with one these
@@zhemin i had the 9800 le or se that was half the perfonmance for 9800 pro but whit omega drivers you could enable all the 8 cores and get the same performance that 9800 pro did half the price 200 € vs 9800pro 400€ great times !
Very similar to the Mobility Radeon 9200, that found its way into some laptops at least in some titles...Such as my first one. Very nice review.
Yea ATI did really well with the 9000 series in notebooks. They even had fast 9700 I believe.
I can confirm this. I own an Acer Aspire 1660 with a desktop P4 2.8 GHz and an ATi Mobility Radeon 9700 (256 MB). I managed to run Windows 98 on it and it's a beast for retro gaming!
had almost this exact same build back in 2004
blew my mind just how well HL2 looked and ran on it
Half life 2 seemed to run on anything. I played it on a 7300LE with no trouble
Fun video as always Phil.
I have a friend that bought one of these back in ~2003 to upgrade from his MX 440 and play Morrowind. Well, turns out it probably was a downgrade, but he was probably already way too CPU limited, not to mention had few RAM to notice, but at least he got Pixel Shader water which made him happy :D.
You should do a follow up video with a vanilla 9200 or 9250 to show just how much of a hit this card takes when using a 64bit bus or perhaps even bring the 8500/9100 to the table and show how much performance the 9000/9200/9250 cards lose in comparison to the 8500/9100.
Nostalgic feelings for this card as my AGP Pentium 4 GPU. You rules the retro scene.
Very interesting video. Never knew there was a 9250 SE around. The 9200 SE was the very first video card i bought brand new for my then brand new P4 2.6Ghz machine. Used that machine right up till the end of 2006 when i got a brand new core2duo machine built. I also have many old Dell laptops with Radeon Mobility GPU solutions in them. The Radeon 9000 mobility in my Latitude D600 overclocks like a champion compared to the card in your video. The Radeon X300 mobility also overclocks very well and performs nice in old titles.
great video...im running the 9250 64bit in my vintage machine
I once salvaged one of these from my brother-in-law's junker Packard-Bell, as a replacement for the Geforce 2 MX in my dad's old hand me down Pentium 4 way back in 2009. Itself an emergency replacement for a busted FX 5200 back in 2005. Wasn't much to write home about for 2009 standards but the 128mb were a welcome improvement over the 32mb of the MX to haul me over until I had the funds to build myself a propper PC late in 2010.
You're right about this card finding you instead of finding it. My buddy gave me a few of his Pentium 4 retro machines which I took out the parts to put into modern cases with modern power supplies and one of them had a Radeon 9200 SE card in it. It runs a lot of games pretty nicely. It's a good card for sure.
i remember playing on this card in call of duty on lan party :*)
Wow. My PIII-750 had this when I got it for free, running Windows 98. And even on this, I get the feeling the GPU bottlenecks.
Men thank you, because of this video i've remembered i have one of these somewhere and i needed it for something haha anyway great video as always :)
Well the biggest issue was 64mb of vram instead 128mb which was way much better for games, up to 50% more fps just because of vram, I remamber when 15 fps in NFW Most Wanted with medium settings was "blessing from God", that memories...
My very first build was in 2004: 256mb ram ddr1 333mhz, Athlon 2200+ 1.8 ghz, Asus A7V8-XX motherboard, Samsung 80gb hard disk, Samsung Sync Master 753S monitor, A4 tech mouse, I was 14 years old back then...
One interesting thing about this card is its compatibility. There are drivers for it for damn near everything, from older Macintoshes to Amigas and even QNX.
Yupp! Had one 9200 64mb 128bit card from HIS.
I have a PowerColor 9250 256MB AGP8x. I did some win98 benchmarking a couple months ago. In Q3 arena, Expendable and Unreal it is faster than the GF2ti and the Kyro2 but it is slower than both of these in glQuake, Quake2 and MDK2! The test system was a s478 Nothrwood P4 @ 3GHz and 512MB DDR-400 (Fujitsu DS-D1675 , SiS 648FX chipset)
While i didn't have this card i do have a 9550 I've mentioned before from gigabyte which does identify itself as a 9600 board oddly enough (guessing my dad or our neighbour flashed it at some point hoping too get some extra performance.)
it did work quite well for overclocking the 9550 64 bit 256 mb, even managed too run the Fear 1 benchmark with 60+ fps at 800x600 with a mixed amount of settings in my windows xp machine with 1 gb ram and a pentium 4 2.8 ghz ht cpu, does go too 3 ghz this pentium 4.
Currently that pc has a ati hd 2400 pro 256 mb in it due too a bit newer architechture & being slightly faster as well.
Marcus60661 the 9550 series has the same GPU as the 9600 series thats why it was identified as 9600. The 9550 was one of the best budget cards ever, it could be overclocked from 250 / 400 mhz to 450 / 450 mhz.. the performance improved by 50-60%.
The 9550 has been mentioned a few times, guess I'll have to look into it :D
The 9500 Pro was still the faster cards and some could even be unlocked to 9700 Pros.
The 9600 and 9550 were a tad slower.
Somebody understand their naming scheme.
9500 > 9550/9600
9200 Pro > 9100 > 9200 > 9000 Pro > 9250 > 9200 SE
HD 4770 > HD 4830
HD 8470 > HD 8490
Same goes with Nvidia:
4600 > 4800 SE
7200 GS > 7300 SE
GT 220 > GT 320
GT 730 > GT 720 > GT 730
It goes completely against the common sense that a card with a bigger number is slower than one with a smaller number from the same series.
Great video Phil.
15:01 Brings back memories.
It is indeed like a cockroach. They're apparently everywhere, but I've never seen one in my life.
Used to have one in the family computer. I don’t recall really thinking of it as a bad card but low-end also meant something different back then. Also I came from an ATi 3D Rage 2MB so.. well.. :)
Very good video, found some nice games to play from you.... thanks
I had one of these cards with a PCI interface, great for testing old motherboards without AGP slots and for fault finding on faulty AGP slot motherboards :)
I have a PCI version of Radeon 9250 with 256mb of VRAM and a TV tuner built in. I picked it up for free but I have no use with it at this moment. I intended to throw it into the dock of my ThinkPad but my 2000-2002 ThinkPads just won't play well with this card with all kinds of resource conflict issues.
And yes, the card is 100% working when put into my Pentium 4 Desktop
I had a lot of 9200's,i mean a lot.Two SE edition i was able to get the core up to 300mhz -50% OC at ease-but its pretty much mem bandwith limited.Good choice for a cheap retro P III/Athlon PC.
It was my first proper video card. Going from integrated Intel Graphics 2 on an Asrock 775i65g and my Core2Duo E6300 I could finally play GTA San Andreas at a decent framerate, and NFS Most Wanted. Good times were had.
I had a 256MB Radeon 9200 with 128 bit memory bus. Would be interesting to compare it to the 9200SE, I guess antialias performance would be higher.
I've had this exact card for a long time! Played games like Wolfenstein: ET on it. Eventually upgraded to an X1950GT
I had this card. The last game I tried to run on it was TESIV: Oblivion. Obviously, that was just for fun. There were no textures! Everything was white, and you could barely make out the scenery by looking for a seam between the walls and floors. NFS Underground 2 Dub Edition work pretty well on this card, except for the fact that I had to deal with 2 FPS on the drifting only courses. F.E.A.R worked quite well on medium settings. I was happy with this card because it was the first time I'd ever seen water reflections in Morrowind!
The rest of the time I used this card for rendering images in Anim8er. It was quite an impressive 3D animation program. It took a while to learn though. This card got me through 4 years of an online 3D high school in Active Worlds (similar to Second Life).
Radeon 9250
Interesting. I got a bunch of 9250 back in the day. I loved those cards. They were dirt cheap and performed well enough for me to play games up to 2006. Half life 2 ran decently on it which was awesome.
The 2 variants I still have lying around are the A9250 128M from ASUS and the RX9250 128M from MSI. Fun fact, that MSI variant uses modern BGA Hynix RAM chips and I wonder if that changes anything.
I had the normal version of this card in my pc back in 2003. it was my first ever GPU. it could play anything at 1024 x 768 medium settings or higher. when far cry came out, i played it on low or medium 1024 x 768, or high at 800 x 600. I was using a crt monitor that had a native resolution of 1280 x 1024. CRTs made any resolution look good.
That's one benefit of a DirectX 8 GPU, newer X9 capable games would run DX8 mode with lower settings, but better performance. Like Far Cry or Half-Life 2.
I had a Pentium 4 2.8Ghz Northwood paired with this. It played the HL1 games like CS and DOD very well for the time. I replaced it with an Athlon 3500+/x2 4200+ and the x1650/8800GTS 320MB later on. I miss those days of rapid, affordable innovation.
I do in fact own one of these, stumbled across it 3 weeks ago when I searched for something else in my old PC part boxes.
If have absolutely no idea where this one came from.
I have one of those I got from a computer I found at the road but it won't work but I haven't tried re flowing the solder so I'll have to try that.
2004.. my 1st pc and agp.. prince of persia, nfs, counter strike, gta, fifa, winning eleven, quake 3 what else I miss... Yeah the emulator games.. taxi, starcraft, battle realm, warcraft3 , thps , what else.. it was so many.. and LAN party... It was amazing miss that moment
I had 2 Radeons 9250's. One, I got with my 2nd PC, and I don't remember an heavy usage for it. The second Radeon was from brother's PC. Both got broken, but I can saw, how powerful enough it is, to just play some 2004-2006 games.
P.S.: I had both air cooled and silent cooled.
I got this card in 2007, paired with a P4 630, as a much needed upgrade from the (awful) Intel i810.
MX 440 or RADEON 9250, wich is a better choice for Windows 98?
Just found one in an old closet. It was my father's when I was a kid :)
My first graphics card
The Radeon 9200 SE was a watered down Radeon 8500, and when the 9200 came out the 8500 was aready well past its prime.
Yea it's based on the RV280, the second revision of the ageing R200 GPU.
Ahh I remember my red board 9250, eventually when it would kill my display while playing Warcraft 3 and I knew it's life was over.
This beast ran Minecraft alpha at playable frames but completely shat itself when I tried throwing League of Legends at it.
I used to have this card. The first computer part i bought by myself!
My first graphic card. The computer consisted of kind of an Athlon CPU, 512mb Ram, 80G Samsung Hard drive. I played Call of duty 1 and 2, Rome Total War, GTA Vice City, Mafia 1, Neverwinter nights, Max Payne 2, Half Life 2, Age Of Empire 2, Starcraft, Diablo 2, Warcraft Frozen Throne.. Still I can remember What I played, and I have that feelings. That time I was a young explorer. It was a great time.
In 2008 i buy this 9200 new in box, from internet provider for a 80 dollars and my Duron 800mhz with this card was cool gaming pc =)
9200SE was my first dedicated graphics card, nice find. I remember playing NFS:Underground 1/2 on it with almost all ( available ) settings enabled. And if I recall correctly, it could be overclocked a bit as well.
I had a 9250SE with 256 MB that I got when my parents bought our Pentium 4 HT, back in early 2005. Not a bad card for basic stuff like Web browsing or watching movies, but when I started playing games, we've upgrade to a Sapphire X1550.
It's a shame that last year I trashed my 9250SE, but the VRAM started to fail... Oh well...
I "upgraded" from the 9250 to a variant of the X1550. This should be a crime but mine came with 32-bit memory and somehow ran slower in the games I played. I tossed that so fast.
woah, the first video card i ever bought. that on-board HP video chipset was struggling to play Battlefield 1942 and this did the trick.
Nice I just stuffed one of these in my Slot A FIC SD11 900mhz Athlon rig along with 512mb ram a pair of STB 3dfx voodoo 2s in sli and a AWE64 value soundcard :) Mine has VGA and Composite out only.
Phil your psychic, I've just got one in a shuttle xpc with an Athlon 1800+
Man does that memory interface make a difference! I have the PCI version of the 9250, but it has a 128-bit bus. Despite the PCI interface and the much slower processors that I used (a PIII-S @ 1575 and a P4 2.4A), it scored a little over 6000 in 3DMark01 on both machines.
With 3DMark the driver version can also matter greatly. But yea, half the memory bandwidth is a huge loss.
I used 5.6 on the two machines I tested. Not sure how much faster or slower that is than 6.11, but your A64 4000+ has got to be at least twice as fast as the CPUs I used. :-)
Ah yea, that should be fine then :)
I have 9100 (AGP) with 128-bit bus. With Athlon XP 2600+ and Catalyst 5.12 it scores 8669 in 3DMark01. As a comparison, with same hardware GF4 MX440 scored 5768 and 9600XT with Catalyst 6.12 scored 11118. With P4 2.4 all cards got similar scores, in range of +-100 points. Same thing between Catalyst 5.12, 6.12 and their Omega variants, not much differences there. 9600XT with Athlon64 3400+ scored 13143. With 4xAA 9600XT is roughly three times faster than 9100. On the other hand, 9100 and Athlon XP manage to push average of 97fps in IOQuake3 with OpenGL1 renderer at 1680x1050 so it's pretty competitive without AA even with 9600XT. In 3DMark03, UT2k3 and newer titles it's a different story though and 9600XT is much faster there.
I have a Powercolor 9250 128MB with 128 bit interface running with an AXP 2000+ in my Win98 rig on a MSI via KM266 board. Its fast enough for everything upto DX8 and before. I also like the fact that it is passive and doesn't make racket. I have faster AGP cards but the passive cooler is a big deal for me. It even overclocks to 275 core / 250 mem. Not bad for 9$ shipped. I'd love a comparison video of the 64 bit and the 128 bit variants of this card.
I ♡ this episode ~
I got it as 6 dollars including de
Delivery fee 2 dollars.
There must be an ATI AIO WONDER RADEON Tuner/graphics card, what about using this card on a m2n68-la (Narra3) motherboard with a AMD PHENOM II X6 and 64GB of DDR3 RAM, and a 100TB Data-Centre SSD and see how you go.
I just bought a 9200 but it looks way different than this one and it’s like in an L shape? Is there a way to find out my exact model so I can get an accurate review for my specific one
I had an ATI radeon x1300 , 5 years ago and switched to nvidia GT 8500 and I sold it for 10 bucks now I have ATI radeon x1650 pro :)) I'm CS 1.6 those GPUs doing pretty well in this game 100 fps all maps in multiplayer better than HD 2000 graphic
Had this gpu and ran Far Cry with it, then upgraded to a Radeon 9800 PRO when Doom 3 came out.
Had one of these in 2004, I remember that games ran pretty ok except for smoke and explosion effects :)
My first REAL 3D accelerator ready card.
good card for all pre-2000 games.... prefer the 128bits version!!
Yea the dreaded 64 bit memory interface. But could be worse, could be a MX4000 with 32 bit :O
really? mx4000 with 32bits? do you mean mx400 ( gf2) ?
Nah it's like a GeForce4 MX variant.
What about the 4 MX-SE?
9200 SE is available only with 64-bit bus.
can anyone point me to the correct XP SP4 download link that you would load on a computer that's already been running XP SP3 ? I've been trying to figure it out all day but they are using terms we never used back in the days i was in IT.....
I just found an ABIT Radeon 9250 still in it's box in mint condition, but it's not an SE. I also have a NVidia BFG Geforce FX5500. I think they are both AGP 64-bit 128MiB. I doubt they are compatible with any budget modern computer. I think the Radeon might have come with the desktop (around 2003) and given it's the only one still in it's box the NVidia is highly likely the slightly better card
This cheap card did really well. I guess the cpu still did most of the work at this point. Had one in an old pre buld back in the day, ran ffxi, wow, farcry, half life 2 and doom 3 decently, couldnt say that about low end cards trying to run graphic intensive games today.
I have a 9200se PCI version in my windows 98 rig and it’s absolutely fine wouldn’t try it on XP though
Yea it fits great for Windows 98 era games.
I have the 9200 se, it's not bad, it can play NFS Porsche Unleashed very well, as long as you pair it with a really fast CPU, mine is the full size card with 128mb
I used to swap my 9200se and mx400 like pants. Radeon had support for newer games like medieval 2 TW. But mx was faster for something like underground 2. So I would swap then depending on what I wanted to play. It lasted until I upgraded to x1550 pro and entered godmode.
You're right. It was mx440 with bigger bus than 9200se. But like dx7 support max.
That's hardcore swapping cards for games!
used to have a variant of this with a composite and S video connector, but the thing was dead since i had it (gpu artifacts all over the place)
Never had a Radeon 9200, but I do have a 9000. I honestly can't think of a reason why though. It came out late-2002 whereas my GF4 Ti4200 came out early-2002, so that time-line doesn't make sense. The only thing I can think of was that it was from one of my parents computers, because I couldn't bring myself to build them one without a discreet video card. Not that they would've needed it, all they used the computer for was to play Solitair's Journey for DOS.
The Up Late Geek The 9000 and 9000 Pro are quite a bit faster. I reviewed the 9000 Pro recently.
Perhaps, although I would've thought the Ti4200 would still beat the non-pro. At least it wouldn't make sense to move from the 9000 to the Ti4200. Pretty sure I would've just bought the 9000 second hand or on clearance later. Either that or I just picked it up as a spare. My next card was a FX 5700, which I also think I've still got kicking around somewhere.
The GeForce4 Ti series should comfortably beat the Radeon 9000 cards.
What does Performance-Quality switch in Catalyst antialiasing section do? I thought that "Performance" option switches card into Multisampling mode.
Good question, I totally overlooked this setting!
Always loved ATI's cards. I'm surprised at all the hate for them in the comments. I also loved 3DFX but whatever. NVidia never became my thing for whatever reason though i'm sure their cards are great too.
What's funny is that ATI a graphics powerhouse, but like many graphics companies, they struggled with the move from 2D to 3D. But they more than survived, whereas most other companies went bust.
Exactly. Thanks for the reply Phil! Wow! :D Love your work man, these videos are always a joy to watch. :)
I had this in my rig. I could use it until 2008 :O Then I bought a HD4850 512 Mb :)
jhj22 hey I have an old IceQ4HIS HD 4850 sitting in my storage. Never really used it except to test out Minecraft with a Fx 6300 cpu, which ran fine. The 512mb gddr3 variant. Not a bad card back in its day.
jhj22 I had a 4850 it was an awesome card till I got my 7870.
I wish I had a 7870, or something similar. Been using a GTX 950, but I'd like to make an all AMD build. Seems like 2GB cards aren't worth spitting on these days
I can agree 2GB is kinda pushing it on VRAM now of days. I have a RX560 2GB in a MOBA box I buil with a Ryzen 7 1700 mITX motherboard. I love how I can bring it to a friends house with ease.
I've got like... 4 of these things lurking about, and a AiW 9200 but that's got the 128bit bus. I've also got three identical 370 boards with 1Ghz P3s, so just with how common 9200SEs are I could use 'em to build three identical computers. :P
Super happy to see a video on these cards though~ :D
I saw some cheap 9000 AIW cards on eBay, but brace yourself, they have some propriety signal output, and of course, the cable isn't included! @#$@X#$
That's weird. Is it like that dual DVI thing? My 9200 AiW just has VGA, DVI and I think either S-Video or composite. Came in an old Dimension. Not too in the market to grab any more graphics cards ATM, need to hoard some cases and such first to put computers in xD
Yea it's a low profile version, looks quite cute, but without the cable not usable. www.ebay.com.au/itm/ATI-All-In-Wonder-9000-Pro-64MB-DDR-AGP-Video-Card-w-TV-Tuner-CARD-ONLY-NEW/221769309876?e
Return to Castle Wolfenstein looks very good
Restored a Sony vaio with this card in it. new thermal paste and a clean, gonna see how well it OC's and plays games
Noice! What sort of games are planning on playing?
@@philscomputerlab DOOM, Quake 2, Far Cry and a slew of others to relive the retro days ^^ although if i wanted my original setup id have this card in a Compaq Deskpro EN
@@motivvt ok Far Cry will seriously struggle, but Q2 and Q3 should be fine.
@@philscomputerlab I know some tweaks to make far cry playable, will def be playing more quake and unreal than anything. oh, and ski free lmao
Thanks for your nice review, i wonder what the level of AA you used in NFS 3 ?
Didn't I mention it??
at the first gameplay i see NFS 3 looks nice, but you mentioned the AA you used in NFS High Staks.
No AA then!
looks nicer than usual
Imagine getting this brand new for christmas like I did 15 years ago, cried myself to sleep.
Dannyy Ristenpatt Man that's rough...
If it wasn't for the commonality of these ati cards I never would have discovered that certain PCI ati radeon 7000 64mb card will work smoothly with the dual pentium pro. The ati version itself but not the other ati brands.
I played fable 1 and assassin creed 1 on it and it's still working right now
Oh damn, I was going through my box of old computer parts for my early 2000s Win98 build and this is the exact model of one of the video cards I got.
I think I'm gonna try GeForce 6200 first, it's one of the last video cards to support Win98 after all, so it will probably outperform a typical 2001 gaming build. This will be my other option.
If you can find the 9200 pro or even non se it would gi e you much better performance
had Radeon 9000 for a bit good card kicked the crap out of the Geforce 4 MX and low end GeforceFX cards and was even faster then a 9600SE in almost all cases
Phil: For a Pentium 4 and Win98 SE, do you reccomend the Ge Force 4 MX 4000 or the Radeon 9250 ? To play games like Soldier of Fortune (and other Quake2 engine games), No One Lives Forever, Turok 2, Need for Speed 3, Need for speed high stakes...
Both should work out well!
@@philscomputerlab Thank you very much!! I have both
Ah the gpu of my childhood. Used it with windows vista until 2012 when my P4 motherboard burned. Used to play gta vc and nfs underground 2 a lot on this beast. I even tried minecraft once.
I have one of these. Lacks DVI/SVIDEO. Only has VGA and composite output. Not third party branded as far as I can tell. :P
The ATI 9250/256mb cards arent bad.... i recently picked up a Dell Dimension 3000(3.0Ghz/1gb pc2) running XP that had one installed, it was the 128bit PCI version, it ran WIN98 and some early XP games with great framerates, mostly played @ 800x600 with a max of 1024x768 resolution, with vsync, AA and AF turned off. Makes for a nice retro gaming machine, but the Dell Dimension 4600i would be even an better choice, since it offers an AGP 4x/8x slot that uses the i865 chipset for those P4c s478 processors running at 200Mhz FSB.
As someone who owns a 8500 LE, a 9200 and a 9600 Pro LE that is quite the interesting card too add.
The time when AF actually decreased performance noticably.
About that AA: I wonder how it scales against resolution in general. Does doubling the resolution result in less than half the performance as with the AA?