TRIPPLE M I.C.U That and so many fun teams to watch! In the West you had Phoenix, Houston, Utah, San Antonio, Seattle...In the East you had Chicago, Orlando, Indiana, New York...Really fun, exciting basketball. The East was rough, rugged, and raw, while the West would run and gun. I miss 90's NBA basketball. So many great memories!
Incidentally, this game marked Kevin Johnson's first in nearly a month, since January 24, 1995. He'd missed 19 of the previous 22 games and 33 of the first 50 that season, but starting with this contest against Utah, he played in 30 of Phoenix's final 32 games and then dominated the playoffs for the second straight spring. Already playing with an undiagnosed hernia, K.J. suffered a chain reaction of injuries after Shaquille O'Neal fell on top of him during the '94-'95 preseason.
If not for the freak injuries after the 92 season, like trying to pull up obese Oliver Miller from the floor in a preseason practice in 92, the knee injury in the celebration w/ Barkley after beating the Trail Blazers at the buzzer in 93, and then Shaq falling on him in the 94 preseason, KJ would've had just as great of an overall career as Stockton, even if still a little less durable than Stockton, and w/o the crazy longevity of Stockton. His 1st 5 seasons he played full healthy seasons, before the lifting up of Oliver Miller attempt, followed by the un-diagnosed hernia that proceeded it.
@AnEn KJ was never going to have the durability of Stockton, cause his body type is built for explosiveness, so his playing style is going to place a way greater strain on the muscles & joints. But w/ just a couple of smarter decisions, coupled w/ more sensible management of some of his nagging injuries during the 93 season, I think his durability would've been more than good enough to go down as a top-5, or at worst, a top-10 point guard of all-time. His efficiency was comfortably better than Isiah Thomas', and he missed a smaller %age of his games than Allen Iverson as it stood. At KJs 88-92 peak, I felt that you got a true secondary scorer to go along w/ a potent passer from the point guard position, whereas w/ Stockton, you really need to surround him w/ shooters, finishers & slashers, for an assists specialist, who's an ultra efficient scorer on low volume. KJ could take over a quarter or half w/ a little bit more ease than Stockton when the others are having an off night, although you really wanna make sure that you surround both w/ a dominating power forward. You can't go wrong w/ either one in their prime, Stockton can control the game a little better, but I actually think that KJs the harder cover, despite GPs claims.
@AnEn What about Mark Price's durability (the John Stockton of The East)? Price had this very unfortunate case of the Rick Mahorn elbow to the skull, that I think was beyond intentional, meant to wipe out the competition for the Pistons, made Price a soft player the rest of the way, as the Cavs began to falter. Then the even more unfortunate ACL tear up the mid sidelines @ Chicago Stadium in 90, trying to hustle down a loose ball. He came back for the 92 season, in all-star shape once again, resulting in Cleveland being competitive again, but could no longer play heavy minutes, could only muster up three more good seasons. KJs worst injuries in his 20s were less severe than Price's worst injuries in his 20s, but he had more of them. Tim Legler who played w/ Stockton's during the 93 season, said that Stockton had a tireless work ethic, although it wasn't an in-your-face work ethic like Karl Malone's. But Stockton's style of play was also much gentler on the body than KJ, since he never needed to use his explosive muscle fibers, since he had none. But was the situation w/ Mark Price just bad luck?
@AnEn Nobody's equating Steve Kerr to John Stockton. I think there's just a little more to this all than just skin color. Mark Price w/ the Cavs was like Steve Nash w/ the Mavs. Price split the screen-&-rolls to shoot that little wide open runner in the lane that he was so pure w/. And if your big man stepped up, found Larry Nance, Brad Duagherty or John Hot Rod Williams wide open underneath the basket for a lay-up or dunk. If you attacked him on the baseline, he'd bump into you to draw a cheap blocking foul, or use the off-hand to draw a cheap hand-checking foul, and putting Price on the line was basically an automatic two. Price had a very polished bank shot from the diagonals, and flawless left hand. I know what you mean about the horse-like dribble, but Price was actually a bit quicker than Nash pre-ACL tear in 90. He was so good, Terrell Brandon had to wait all those yrs to start in Cleveland. Stockton definitely had a more accomplished career, as Price was basically done at 30, but the biggest difference was that Price's teammates were beneficiaries of his scoring ability, whereas Stockton's teammates were his 1st, 2nd, 3rd & last priority, till you forced him to score. Both were pick-&-role point guards, although Price could also have transitioned into Phil's triangle where he would've been a rich man's John Paxson, or Rudy Tomjanovich's inside-out offense to compliment Hakeem, if he needed to. He would've been a better Scotty Brooks in the latter system, that would not have gotten unseeded by Sam Cassel & Kenny Smith for the starting spot. Stockton was the pick-&-role specialist who you couldn't stop even when you knew exactly what he was about to do. Stockton was more of a pest on a defense, would get under your skin more, forcing you into cheap technicals, but Mark Price was definitely one of the best NBA point guards of the late 80s to early 90s. The price was right in Cleveland w/ Mark Price.
@AnEn It's somewhat exaggerated how physical the game was pre-latest installment of the hand-checking rule in 04-05 season (Nash's 1st w/ Suns), which actually started for the 79-80 season (Magic & Bird's 1st). An expansion to that rule was made starting the 94-95 season, severely hampering the remake of the Bad Boys, that was Pat Riley Knicks. Derek Harper, John Starks, Greg Anthony & Hubert Davis were now getting called for so many touch fouls trying to hand check opposing team's guards 94ft of the court. But that new interpretation of the hand check rule actually started getting enforced in the Rockets last two home games of the previous years' Finals for Games 6 & 7. Remember how Rudy T urged Kenny Smith & Sam Cassell to get more animated in front of the officials every time Harper was hand-checking w/ a referee lateral to the on-ball action? Harper started getting called for hand-checks he wasn't being called for all playoffs in those final two super close home wins for the Rockets, where the Houston guards finally got off after being totally shut down in back-to-back convincing home wins by the Knicks @ Madison Square Garden in Games 4 & 5. While Otis Thorpe was being allowed to hook Charles Oakley all game long under the basket, limiting Oak to just 1 offensive rebound, while getting called for just 1 foul. Oakley had had a 20board performance earlier in the series in a Knicks Game 4 home win, where he was allowed to get away w/ pushing off on Horry & Thorpe the whole contest . But Thorpe was just not going to let the Oak Tree beat the Rockets w/ everything on the line in Game 6, as the refs were letting him use the entire periphery of all of his box out techniques. Everybody remembers Olajuwon sniffing out Stark's 3pt attempt for the championship at the buzzer, but the interpretation of the expansion of the hand check rule by the refs had actually begun for when the previous years' Finals had re-shifted back to the Summit in Houston.
I literally was yelling and applauding these guys were amazing. The passing by Stockton was so unselfish and accurate. Karl Malone was a beast and Barely was savage. Kevin Johnson was smooth. I could compliment everyone out there. It's like they actually wanted to win, lol 🤣😂
Wow...Barkley and Malone going against each other and Stockton...the way he creates the game was unbelievable,he could easily have 3-4 assists more if Malone and Hornacek didn't lose some easy shots and layups!
And from the statistics (rather than the myths), the guys that Stockton really made better were the likes of Bryon Russell and Greg Ostertag, not the superstar, Karl Malone. Russell, for example, shot .342 from the field and .255 on threes in 18 games without Stockton in '97-'98, compared to .455 from the field and .365 on threes in 64 games with Stockton that season. Likewise, Ostertag shot .360 from the field without Stockton that year and .537 with him.
Király Ádám A result of their work ethics. Karl took better care of his body, which allowed him to compete at a high level for longer than Charles. Charles last great season was 96-97, while Malone won MVP that season and continued to put up big numbers up until about 2001.
***** Or had Cedric Ceballos not have gotten hurt in Game 6 @ The Kingdom in Seattle. Or had Charles Barkley not have come down on his right elbow in the 3rd quarter of Game 2 against the Bulls @ the America West Arena in Phoenix.
Mo Ali Close. Barkley had more overall offense + was a good weak-side shot blocker before the back surgeries. Still, Garnett was way better on defense in general w/ a good all-around offensive game. Man, that's a tough one.
On the perimeter, the only good Phoenix defender was Kevin Johnson and against a pick-and-roll club such as Utah, the front court defenders loom lmuch larger than the guards, anyway. Indeed, this video captures the main offensive difference between these teams at this time. The Jazz ran a pick-and-roll offense first and a post-up offense second, while the Suns ran a post-up offense orbitng abound Barkley first and a pick-and-roll offense second.
These two teams played some great games against each other that season and people really looked forward to a playoff series between them - of course the Rockets stopped that from happening by knocking out both teams.
although malone contributed more to the game of basketball (all time scorer etc), i'd have to say chuck was the better player. chuck was a better rebounder, passer, and possibly scorer. more so, chuck was a phenomenal playoff performer and probably better than malone. i realize malone scored more points per game than chuck, but if you compare fg% and efficiency, chuck is significantly better. chuck's fg% was lowered by his poor 3 pt shooting, but his 2p% is one of the best i've ever seen. his 2 pt shooting % surpassed 60% in 5 consecutive seasons. that is w/ i range of shaq's shooting % (who never shot threes).
you said so much w/o saying anything at all. if going by averages, is it reasonable to call him a poor performer? his playoff statistics are still good. they are still better than karl malone's. in any case, if we are measuring two players, i think the proper way is to measure them at their highest points. you said barkley had better talent but malone was the better player. but take away malone's legacy as an all time scorer and measure them as two players talent for talent. its' gotta be barkley. if barkley has better talent and better performances, where does your argument lead to?
***** barkey was great at playoffs,of course not like mj or hakeem!he play 4 seasons in suns and he avg 23.5-11.5 in regular while he avg 26.5-13.5 in playoffs!he led suns in their ONLY nba finals when he also was great (27.5-13-6)!...yes suns lost twice in semifinals by champions houston in 7 games but that doesn't mean 1989 suns had better team....they won golden state wich was much worst than houston or jazz,sheatle in 90's!also u mention some bad playoffs performances barkley had does n't prove anything at all...i can show u even mj hadsome horrible playoff performances especially vs knicks or sheatle!
I disagree. I think Bakley indeed had some seasons better than Malone. But lets remember Malone did what he did with greatness for 20 years. Not 5 seasons. Barkley couldnt handle his health. Didnt have discipline and that count for the game later. Malone spend like 9 seasons with 2k points per year. Thats huge. Malone was hell of a passer too.
B. Entringer u are right,malone had more duration in his career but saying barkley had only 5 good seasons is styupid...actually barkley avg 24.5-12-4 assists and 55fg% for 11 seasons,1985-1996....even in his last 4 seasons when barkley was fat he avg 17-12-4 and 48fg%...that's not so bad as u say!
+Joe Kidd Karl Malone was a good to very good defender, just like he was a good to very good rebounder, but was far from spectacular in either category. The most important thing for a power forward is rebounding. Defense is more important for small forwards & centers. And to say that Barkley couldn't play any defense is stretching it. He was a lesser overall defender than Karl Malone, but a better shot blocker. But Barkley was absolutely an amazing rebounder, and rebounds are to power forwards what assists are to point guards. The power forward is supposed to score more than the point guard, but less than the centers & shooting guards of similar caliber.
***** A small forward like a Scottie Pippen for instance, needs to be able to guard multiple positions, because they're forced to switch all the time, to discourage passing lanes (sort of like a free safety in football), to play an opposing explosive scoring wing the whole length + width of the court & so on. A power forward does a lot more banging than a small forward, cause he's a little bigger, w/ usually a much wider frame. But a 4 usually has to account for just a side of the court, pushing & shoving w/ the other team's strong forward around the pinch post area+surrounding areas, but doesn't have to extend out to the perimeter or guard the slower power forward like a Karl Malone sideline to sideline, the way Pippen would have to against Dominique Wilkins. Now if you happen to be a great defensive power forward like a Dennis Rodman, Otis Thorpe, Tim Duncan, Charles Oakley, Kevin Garnett, great, but it's somewhat less important for a power forward to be a great defender than it is for a small forward who's got multiple responsibilities on defense all the same time.
***** I see your points for sure. They're really excellent! Not that I exactly consider a Luc Longley (Luuuuuuuuuuuc!!!) as a designated defensive stalwart inside like a Dikembe Mutombo, or a Bill Winnington as an intimidator of the paint like a Ben Wallace, but I get your points. On the Bulls, Phil Jackson liked to have all them 6'6-6'11 dobermans to just take away all angles of the court from the opposition, he really just needed any given white guy to take up space, hit an open 15-foot set jump shot, but mostly to pass out of the triangle. White guys like to pass in general, not saying Chris Paul isn't as great as anybody at it cause he is, but he's also CP3, whereas I'm just talking about guys who suck. And you're right, Pippen's a rare exception, and even in his case it's highly dependent on team's circumstances whether I'd be he, or somebody like a Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan for instance, that'd be of greater asset to a given team's defense. Otis Thorpe was more of a true defensive specialist at the power forward position being ultra-great at guarding strong forwards, but not really anything else. Yet he was a huge asset on that end of the floor for the Rockets, cause it allowed Olajuwon to hang out under the basket blocking shots. If Hakeem had to guard a Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Larry Johnson, Loy Vaught, what have you, I'd take away his ability to deny driving layups & dunks under the basket. Even clogging those driving lanes to the hoop, it was a similar mentality as w/ the Knicks where Oakley would set up to take the charge, as Ewing would set up to the block the shot. In Houston, Thorpe would set up to take the charge, as Olajuwon would set up to block the shot. But other than that, if you were Rudy Tomjonovich, you didn't want Thorpe defending pick-&-roles or really switching much at all, for those were not his positives. Watching the Rockets play a pick-&-role team like the Jazz, whenever he had to switch up top on Sally Fields due to a Malone pick, he'd just pick up cheap blocking fouls w/ Sally jumping straight into him, and Rudy-T knew he needed Thorpe to have all 6 of his fouls to use up for defending against the Mailman. So it was in the Rockets best interests to just live w/ Kenny Smith trying to stay in front of Sally as best as he could, and if he gets picked, then just have Thorpe stick w/ Malone anyways, but live and die w/ Sally having that open lane to drive to the basket for a layup. She's never going to score 50, she may score an efficient 20, but that's better than her getting 20 assists. Away from the ball you also wanted OT to just stick w/ his match-up of Malone most of the time, instead of switch on Sally cutting back door, where she'd just grab hold of his red, gold & white muscle shirt, drawing a cheap holding foul.
Wow, what a great upload, Stockton and Malone vs KJ and Barkley. I like Malones running hook, one of my favorite moves from him. And the way Stockton distributes the ball is a thing of beauty. I really enjoyed watching the Jazz play back in the day. Thanks for the upload, do you have any stuff from Stocktons earlier years?, i think around 1990 was his prime individually, and would like to see more of him from back then.
This is a great game between guys who really knew the game. Since I am a classic 80s Lakers fan it was nice to see AC Green on the court and getting action with the ball as his role in the Kareem, Magic, Worthy dominated Lakers was kind of small.
"Malone benefited from John Stockton to be the scorer he was." That's the myth and the assumption, but it's not born out from the empirical evidence. In 1,412 regular season games in Utah with Stockton, Malone averaged 25.4 points on .517 field goal shooting. In 22 regular season games in Utah without Stockton, Malone averaged 25.1 points on .524 field goal shooting.
In other words, Malone as a member of the Jazz was about a 25-ppg scorer on approximately 52 percent FG shooting-with Stockton, or without him. There was virtually no statistical difference. And Utah went 13-9 in those 22 games without Stockton, a .591 winning percentage, good for 48 wins per 82 games. That number isn't elite and Stockton made the Jazz better, but Utah still won at a secure, playoff-type pace without him.
The three point line was shorter that year started in 1994-95 season and back to its original distance since 1997-98 season and no the court doesn't look small it must be the high camera angles.
But in Malone's case, he played at a Hall of Fame level with Stockton and without him, with virtually no statistical difference. And although 22 games do not represent a huge sample, the sample is large enough to receive a ballpark sense, especially since those 22 games came in portions eight years apart.
The two western franchises that lost at home vs Chicago in a Three peat by a game winning shot in game 6 (poor Barkley and Malone & Stockton) I'm a Bulls fan even after the post Jordan struggle.
This game is how old..... & it was exciting STILL great great game with some all time greats not like a lot of unwatchable games today that’s just a 3point shootout. the nba will never be like this again
Charles Barkley and Wayman Tisdale both amounted to defensive liabilities and while A.C. Green constituted a sound defender, Barkley's presence meant that Green often needed to guard the opposing team's center or small forward. He was too small for center, especially given his lack of explosive leaping ability and shot blocking, and he proved a step slow against the quicker small forwards in the NBA such as Blue Edwards, especially given that Green was now thirty-one and in his tenth season.
Stockton and Malone were masters at what they did, but one can see from this video why the Suns ranked just nineteenth in the NBA that season in Defensive Rating (points allowed per 100 possessions). Especially with Danny Manning out for the season after tearing his ACL earlier that month, Phoenix possessed no shot blockers.
If you think about it throwing the ball down court at the end of the game can be a good strategy if there's like 9-11 seconds left. It's definitely risky but if Barkley hadn't of thrown it he would have likely got trapped in the corner and unable to pass and then committed a 8 second backcourt violation. The Jazz would then have had a second to get off a three to send it to OT. Throwing it down court fixes only gives them enough time for a rushed half court three. Also a timeout would work if you had one left lol. Maybe if the other team just had amazing inbound defense and your inbounding was pretty bad then throwing it down court would still be an option even with available timeouts.
Barkley was the more talented player, maybe the most talented forward in NBA history. But he was also much more of a ball-stopper, much less of a defender (regardless of who guarded who in this game), far less disciplined, and for all those reasons, he didn't fit into a team context as well. Oh, well, neither of them won a championship despite playing with elite point guards, so there. Both fell to Jordan's teams ... and Olajuwon's. But overall, Barkley played with more talent.
It's incredible how talented Charles Barkley. His talent allowed him to play well despite being constantly out of shape. And Stockton, what can you say. He was really an engine. The entire team play was all about him.
1:48- I always wondered why Karl didn't get many alley oops. Here's my answer. That landing looked awful! He didn't look great while in the air. He was always a basic pass one hand jammer.
@Tod Wilkinson Stockton had more than good enough timing & accuracy on his alley-oops when he saw opportunities, and advantages to throw them. I saw him hook up on the alley-oop to David Benoit & Karl Malone once in a while in quiet a few games, and even sometimes to Thurl Bailey while they still had him in the 1st go-around. He didn't make a steady diet of it like a Gary Payton or Jason Williams, cause he just didn't have the athletes in Salt Lake City w/ the crazy athleticism to be alley-oop threats as often, and he himself was less flashy, playing on a fundamentally-oriented team. Bryon Russell was actually less athletic than David Benoit at small forward for the late 90s teams, and Malone wasn't as athletic at that stage of his career as when he was younger. Antoine Carr was also not as athletic as Thurl Bailey as a supplementary forward, and a little less long. Everyone thinks that Malone & Stockton had more talent around them in the late 90s than late 80s or early 90s, just cause that's when they went to the Finals, and nobody on the Jazz in those days was catching alley-oops. But I think that their competition just got old by then, while Stockton & Malone were still at the latter stages of their primes, because of their incredible longevity, and expansionism also thinned the competition around them. I'd take Jeff Hornacek over Jeff Malone, but just slightly, but Mark Eaton was a better version of Greg Ostertag. The late 90s teams may have had a little better bench, and little better 3pt shooting, but the late 80s to early 90s teams, while never being in the running for most athletic team, I at least felt that they weren't athletically challenged when they could control the pace. Their defense was better from 87 to 92, than in the Ostertag/Russell/Hornacek sub era. But the Utah Jazz, like the Boston Celtics of their day, are a white team (in relative talks), so they're not going to razzle & dazzle you w/ a heavy assortment of above-the-rim play, if their point guard is all-time alley-oop dunk tossing king in CP3.
@Tod Wilkinson Yeah, John Stockton was no longer winning his assists crowns when the Jazz broke through to the Finals. Many think it's cause Horny gave the Jazz an essentially double point guard backcourt, ans he did, but he was on the team in 94-96, w/ Stockton still capturing the assists crowns for all of those three yrs. Some point to the inspired play of backup point guard Howard Eisley taking up a decent chunk of Stockton's minutes by the later 90s, but I don't think that Eisley was that better than Jay Humphries, who I actually thought was underrated as a backup point guard. I'd take him over Jim Les at anything other than shooting, but not over Rickey Green who was was the backup when Stockton broke through for his 1st assists crown in 88, averaging 14. Also, Delaney Rudd was okay for the 3rd string point guard, so I don't roll w/ the narrative that Stockton's backups pre-Eisley were chopped liver. I don't think the Jazz ever padded Stockton's assists, he was just the most unselfish point guard in NBA history, who was clearly past his peak by the Finals' yrs. The 92 team that won 55 games, would've been at least in Game 7 of the WCF against a stacked Trail Blazers team, had it not been for David Benoit's father dying at the worst possible time, and him having to miss Game 5 @ Portland, a game the Jazz lost in overtime. They never played well in Portland, but Game 5 was the one they really would've had under normal circumstances. Also, just before intermission, Clyde Drexler inadvertently pocked Stockton in the eye. The Utah all-star suffered double-vision, and would not return on that evening. Coming out of the locker room, the Jazz surprisingly rallied around each other, and made a comeback. Karl Malone scored 28 2nd half pts, but w/ time running out, Utah still trailed by 3. "If you're Portland you should file for possession of the basketball"-Steve Jones. Rudd for a 3-pointer, right down the middle. But Delaney Rudd's unlikely time in the spotlight was cut short by an efficient Blazers team in overtime. Portland scored 20pts in the 5min extra session, and pulled away. Wide open is Buck Williams, that should do it, they're really celebrating now. With 4 starters scoring more than 20pts, Blazers edged the Jazz 127-101, moving 1 win from the NBA Finals. With even just Stockton in the 2nd half, Malone probably erupts for 34pts in the 2nd half, instead of 28 (which is remarkable), and Utah wins. Maybe the Blazers don't play as well @ The Delta Center in Game 6, w/o the momentum they were able to keep after Game 5.
@@scarykurapika100yago2 By the way, I meant 127-121 for the Game 5 overtime win; was a typo. I'd say the best Jazz teams of all-time were as follows: -1)97 Jazz-this was still pre-knee injury Stockton in 1st Finals trip. 98 Finals was post-knee injury Stockton. -2)95 Jazz-60wins pre-2nd expansion of the modern era was awfully impressive. This was the yr. Sloan's Jazz finally became a good road team. -3)96 Jazz-at 34, last yr. Stockton took home assists title. Even the talented, younger & more athletic 64win SuperSonics w/ home court advantage, were pretty lucky to escape in the WCF in 7 games, w/ Stockton injured (though he played), Malone bricking all those foul shots, plus a few favorable home calls in key stretches. -4)98 Jazz-closest the Jazz ever came to winning the title. But their Western competition from the early 90s was so over-the-hill, while Spurs & Lakers weren't ready to come up yet. Da Bulls were also old by this yr., Pippen had an ailing back, had lost their front line depth from a season before, in Bison Delay (or Brian Williams) & Jason Caffey. Albeit, da Bulls did get some very favorable calls. -5)92 Jazz-best Eaton & pre-Hornacek Jazz team. Would be able to compete against the Finals versions of themselves. Were a bit more athletic than in 97 & 98; maybe not good enough on the road though to beat the best in a best-of-7 series, where even w/ home court advantage, you're likely to need to win once in the other person's building. It's just really hard to hold server 4x out 4 against a great road team, and most 60win caliber teams can win once on your floor in 4 tries, even if you're almost invincible on your home floor, like w/ 5 or less losses there all season long. *the above's in order, and I feel that top-5's a decent stopping place for now. Some of the other Jazz teams of the Sloan era were decent, and this year's Jazz surprised some people (myself included), but not so good that I want dedicate a list just for them.
Why didn't you post Malone stats Malone had 30 and 9 rebounds and Barkley had 35 and 9 rebounds the Suns won 110-107 Malone despite being injured played 44 minutes
+Robin Hood Except Barkley has even more power but w/ slightly less length, compared to Lebron having slightly more athleticism (cause he's got Shawn Kemp's athleticism), but Barkley was just such a tear on the glass, you could stop his scoring before you could stop his rebounding.
Get Buckets Charles Barkley was just as great of a passer for a power forward as Lebron James is for a small forward, shot a much higher field goal %age, was not quiet as athletic but just as athletic as Lebron relative to how chunky he was. I call their scoring a wash cause Barkley shot less but had much higher offensive efficiency averages, though Barkley's more limited at getting his own good shot & relies more on guards to get him the ball since we're comparing a swing-man to a true-4 who was versatile for his position, but not able to be as versatile as a Lebron James. Lebron James would be lucky to win 1 MVP if he played during Jordan's, Magic's & Hakeem's prime. This is somewhat an apples to oranges comparison.
***** Not as great of defense as Pippen (at least not consistently), but LBJ is overall more similar to Pippen than he is to Barkley, but there's still some similarity between LBJ & Chuck. Lebron's level of physicality and brute force is more like Charles' than Scottie's, but his all-court game is more like Scottie's. I still feel now even at 31 that Lebron is so raw w/ limited post moves or grace, but just such a freak of nature who's like a fright train w/ handles. Guys like Dwyane Wade and Tim Duncan developed so much of their grace and footwork in college like so many of the greats of yesteryear always would, besides that they're gifted w/ those things naturally, but it still takes time and development. On the other hand guys like Kevin Garnett, Lebron James, Dwight Howard, Shawn Kemp & so on always remain more so limited to just their athletic abilities and raw power, because NBA coaches just don't have time to work w/ individuals specifically on any one element of basketball.
Charles Barkley llego a jugar menor nivel de Basquet que Karl Malone..... quizás Malone fue mas efectivo en el tiempo, pero "Pick" de nivel de juego Barkley mejor
Barkley> Malone in his prime...Barkley's prime was shorter than Malone's but Barkley was the better player. Barkley was better rebounder, ball handler, post game and playmaker. Malone benefited from John Stockton to be the scorer he was..Notice in this game Barkley guards Malone. However, Malone wont D up Barkley
+timhoward5 I have 20/20 vision but love listening to games on the radio sometimes. And seeing what's happening is not nearly as fun for me as hearing experts w/ exciting voices do play-by-play. If that's not your cup of tea, you can just put your games on mute. Be happy that there are more jobs for more different personalities to do. I don't understand what the problem is?
Not funny. Old school announcers, like Hot Rod Hunley (and the Suns' Al McCoy), began their careers at a time when they were heard on the radio (and/or both radio and TV). That's why their style is so descriptive. Personally I love the detailed play-by-play and I really wish today's TV-only announcers used this style.
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Stockton`s ability to find the open man is unreal
Stockton was an assist machine it's like every time he passed a person The Ball they score
I love watching the 90s NBA they were so good the fundamentals WOW !!!
TRIPPLE M I.C.U That and so many fun teams to watch! In the West you had Phoenix, Houston, Utah, San Antonio, Seattle...In the East you had Chicago, Orlando, Indiana, New York...Really fun, exciting basketball. The East was rough, rugged, and raw, while the West would run and gun. I miss 90's NBA basketball. So many great memories!
Fundamentals are better today
Nostalgia goggles smh 😂
Man when you play with Stockton everyone becomes a scorer. Unbelievable PG. I miss the 90s NBA.
Incidentally, this game marked Kevin Johnson's first in nearly a month, since January 24, 1995. He'd missed 19 of the previous 22 games and 33 of the first 50 that season, but starting with this contest against Utah, he played in 30 of Phoenix's final 32 games and then dominated the playoffs for the second straight spring. Already playing with an undiagnosed hernia, K.J. suffered a chain reaction of injuries after Shaquille O'Neal fell on top of him during the '94-'95 preseason.
If not for the freak injuries after the 92 season, like trying to pull up obese Oliver Miller from the floor in a preseason practice in 92, the knee injury in the celebration w/ Barkley after beating the Trail Blazers at the buzzer in 93, and then Shaq falling on him in the 94 preseason, KJ would've had just as great of an overall career as Stockton, even if still a little less durable than Stockton, and w/o the crazy longevity of Stockton. His 1st 5 seasons he played full healthy seasons, before the lifting up of Oliver Miller attempt, followed by the un-diagnosed hernia that proceeded it.
@AnEn KJ was never going to have the durability of Stockton, cause his body type is built for explosiveness, so his playing style is going to place a way greater strain on the muscles & joints. But w/ just a couple of smarter decisions, coupled w/ more sensible management of some of his nagging injuries during the 93 season, I think his durability would've been more than good enough to go down as a top-5, or at worst, a top-10 point guard of all-time. His efficiency was comfortably better than Isiah Thomas', and he missed a smaller %age of his games than Allen Iverson as it stood.
At KJs 88-92 peak, I felt that you got a true secondary scorer to go along w/ a potent passer from the point guard position, whereas w/ Stockton, you really need to surround him w/ shooters, finishers & slashers, for an assists specialist, who's an ultra efficient scorer on low volume. KJ could take over a quarter or half w/ a little bit more ease than Stockton when the others are having an off night, although you really wanna make sure that you surround both w/ a dominating power forward. You can't go wrong w/ either one in their prime, Stockton can control the game a little better, but I actually think that KJs the harder cover, despite GPs claims.
@AnEn What about Mark Price's durability (the John Stockton of The East)? Price had this very unfortunate case of the Rick Mahorn elbow to the skull, that I think was beyond intentional, meant to wipe out the competition for the Pistons, made Price a soft player the rest of the way, as the Cavs began to falter. Then the even more unfortunate ACL tear up the mid sidelines @ Chicago Stadium in 90, trying to hustle down a loose ball. He came back for the 92 season, in all-star shape once again, resulting in Cleveland being competitive again, but could no longer play heavy minutes, could only muster up three more good seasons. KJs worst injuries in his 20s were less severe than Price's worst injuries in his 20s, but he had more of them. Tim Legler who played w/ Stockton's during the 93 season, said that Stockton had a tireless work ethic, although it wasn't an in-your-face work ethic like Karl Malone's. But Stockton's style of play was also much gentler on the body than KJ, since he never needed to use his explosive muscle fibers, since he had none. But was the situation w/ Mark Price just bad luck?
@AnEn Nobody's equating Steve Kerr to John Stockton. I think there's just a little more to this all than just skin color. Mark Price w/ the Cavs was like Steve Nash w/ the Mavs. Price split the screen-&-rolls to shoot that little wide open runner in the lane that he was so pure w/. And if your big man stepped up, found Larry Nance, Brad Duagherty or John Hot Rod Williams wide open underneath the basket for a lay-up or dunk. If you attacked him on the baseline, he'd bump into you to draw a cheap blocking foul, or use the off-hand to draw a cheap hand-checking foul, and putting Price on the line was basically an automatic two. Price had a very polished bank shot from the diagonals, and flawless left hand.
I know what you mean about the horse-like dribble, but Price was actually a bit quicker than Nash pre-ACL tear in 90. He was so good, Terrell Brandon had to wait all those yrs to start in Cleveland. Stockton definitely had a more accomplished career, as Price was basically done at 30, but the biggest difference was that Price's teammates were beneficiaries of his scoring ability, whereas Stockton's teammates were his 1st, 2nd, 3rd & last priority, till you forced him to score. Both were pick-&-role point guards, although Price could also have transitioned into Phil's triangle where he would've been a rich man's John Paxson, or Rudy Tomjanovich's inside-out offense to compliment Hakeem, if he needed to. He would've been a better Scotty Brooks in the latter system, that would not have gotten unseeded by Sam Cassel & Kenny Smith for the starting spot. Stockton was the pick-&-role specialist who you couldn't stop even when you knew exactly what he was about to do. Stockton was more of a pest on a defense, would get under your skin more, forcing you into cheap technicals, but Mark Price was definitely one of the best NBA point guards of the late 80s to early 90s. The price was right in Cleveland w/ Mark Price.
@AnEn It's somewhat exaggerated how physical the game was pre-latest installment of the hand-checking rule in 04-05 season (Nash's 1st w/ Suns), which actually started for the 79-80 season (Magic & Bird's 1st). An expansion to that rule was made starting the 94-95 season, severely hampering the remake of the Bad Boys, that was Pat Riley Knicks. Derek Harper, John Starks, Greg Anthony & Hubert Davis were now getting called for so many touch fouls trying to hand check opposing team's guards 94ft of the court. But that new interpretation of the hand check rule actually started getting enforced in the Rockets last two home games of the previous years' Finals for Games 6 & 7. Remember how Rudy T urged Kenny Smith & Sam Cassell to get more animated in front of the officials every time Harper was hand-checking w/ a referee lateral to the on-ball action?
Harper started getting called for hand-checks he wasn't being called for all playoffs in those final two super close home wins for the Rockets, where the Houston guards finally got off after being totally shut down in back-to-back convincing home wins by the Knicks @ Madison Square Garden in Games 4 & 5. While Otis Thorpe was being allowed to hook Charles Oakley all game long under the basket, limiting Oak to just 1 offensive rebound, while getting called for just 1 foul. Oakley had had a 20board performance earlier in the series in a Knicks Game 4 home win, where he was allowed to get away w/ pushing off on Horry & Thorpe the whole contest . But Thorpe was just not going to let the Oak Tree beat the Rockets w/ everything on the line in Game 6, as the refs were letting him use the entire periphery of all of his box out techniques. Everybody remembers Olajuwon sniffing out Stark's 3pt attempt for the championship at the buzzer, but the interpretation of the expansion of the hand check rule by the refs had actually begun for when the previous years' Finals had re-shifted back to the Summit in Houston.
I literally was yelling and applauding these guys were amazing. The passing by Stockton was so unselfish and accurate. Karl Malone was a beast and Barely was savage. Kevin Johnson was smooth. I could compliment everyone out there. It's like they actually wanted to win, lol 🤣😂
Wow...Barkley and Malone going against each other and Stockton...the way he creates the game was unbelievable,he could easily have 3-4 assists more if Malone and Hornacek didn't lose some easy shots and layups!
Smart Play by Sir Charles at the End. Great Notion of the Game
Malone was money from 18ft and in. Barkley when he backs you down low you can forget it. Great power forwards.
Hot Rod Hundley doesn’t get enough attention. He seriously was one of the best announcers in not just the NBA but all of sports!
The Mailman Delivered!
And from the statistics (rather than the myths), the guys that Stockton really made better were the likes of Bryon Russell and Greg Ostertag, not the superstar, Karl Malone. Russell, for example, shot .342 from the field and .255 on threes in 18 games without Stockton in '97-'98, compared to .455 from the field and .365 on threes in 64 games with Stockton that season. Likewise, Ostertag shot .360 from the field without Stockton that year and .537 with him.
Barkley>Malone in their prime.
Malone>Barkley in their career.
Király Ádám A result of their work ethics. Karl took better care of his body, which allowed him to compete at a high level for longer than Charles. Charles last great season was 96-97, while Malone won MVP that season and continued to put up big numbers up until about 2001.
Nah, Karl had a better team around him longer. Barkley's all-around numbers are better than Malone's.
in his prime, if you gave barkley position, he was guaranteed to get a bucket or head to the line
My two favorite players in basketball played that, gotta love Barkley and Stockton!
Barkley best power forward minus the rings
+TRIPPLE M I.C.U In his prime, best power forward ever w/ or w/o the rings.
+TRIPPLE M I.C.U Agreed!
***** So funny watching the Jazz play the Suns in the mid 90s, how John Stockton is just so much more woman than Charles Barkley.
***** Or had Cedric Ceballos not have gotten hurt in Game 6 @ The Kingdom in Seattle. Or had Charles Barkley not have come down on his right elbow in the 3rd quarter of Game 2 against the Bulls @ the America West Arena in Phoenix.
Mo Ali Close. Barkley had more overall offense + was a good weak-side shot blocker before the back surgeries. Still, Garnett was way better on defense in general w/ a good all-around offensive game. Man, that's a tough one.
On the perimeter, the only good Phoenix defender was Kevin Johnson and against a pick-and-roll club such as Utah, the front court defenders loom lmuch larger than the guards, anyway. Indeed, this video captures the main offensive difference between these teams at this time. The Jazz ran a pick-and-roll offense first and a post-up offense second, while the Suns ran a post-up offense orbitng abound Barkley first and a pick-and-roll offense second.
why did basketball look so much better back then?
splby Fundamentals.
It's cause they didn't let them play zone in the 90s.
Tod Wilkinson so dont watch todays game who cares about you
The Suns at the time were one of the worst defensive teams in the league but still better than any defense you seen being played today
@Tod Wilkinson NBC in the 90s presentation was way off the charts. Same for CBS in the 80s
Danny Ainge at 4:21 "Stock illegal!"
... but no call. Contrary to what many folks imagine, teams employed plenty of zone principles back then.
They just had to mask them.
8:23 "TAKE A CHAAARGE!!"
Oh and a shout out to John Crotty. Guy was a baller! Played damn hard. Undrafted, he was a work horse. Met him when I was a kid. Hellva player.
These two teams played some great games against each other that season and people really looked forward to a playoff series between them - of course the Rockets stopped that from happening by knocking out both teams.
Great upload thanks. Stockton was the man nice bullet passes
awesome pass by Hornacek @8:35
although malone contributed more to the game of basketball (all time scorer etc), i'd have to say chuck was the better player. chuck was a better rebounder, passer, and possibly scorer. more so, chuck was a phenomenal playoff performer and probably better than malone.
i realize malone scored more points per game than chuck, but if you compare fg% and efficiency, chuck is significantly better. chuck's fg% was lowered by his poor 3 pt shooting, but his 2p% is one of the best i've ever seen. his 2 pt shooting % surpassed 60% in 5 consecutive seasons. that is w/ i range of shaq's shooting % (who never shot threes).
you said so much w/o saying anything at all.
if going by averages, is it reasonable to call him a poor performer? his playoff statistics are still good. they are still better than karl malone's.
in any case, if we are measuring two players, i think the proper way is to measure them at their highest points.
you said barkley had better talent but malone was the better player.
but take away malone's legacy as an all time scorer and measure them as two players talent for talent. its' gotta be barkley.
if barkley has better talent and better performances, where does your argument lead to?
***** thumbs down, your argument still sucks.
btw when i say highest point, i meant his prime years.
***** barkey was great at playoffs,of course not like mj or hakeem!he play 4 seasons in suns and he avg 23.5-11.5 in regular while he avg 26.5-13.5 in playoffs!he led suns in their ONLY nba finals when he also was great (27.5-13-6)!...yes suns lost twice in semifinals by champions houston in 7 games but that doesn't mean 1989 suns had better team....they won golden state wich was much worst than houston or jazz,sheatle in 90's!also u mention some bad playoffs performances barkley had does n't prove anything at all...i can show u even mj hadsome horrible playoff performances especially vs knicks or sheatle!
I disagree. I think Bakley indeed had some seasons better than Malone. But lets remember Malone did what he did with greatness for 20 years. Not 5 seasons. Barkley couldnt handle his health. Didnt have discipline and that count for the game later. Malone spend like 9 seasons with 2k points per year. Thats huge. Malone was hell of a passer too.
B. Entringer u are right,malone had more duration in his career but saying barkley had only 5 good seasons is styupid...actually barkley avg 24.5-12-4 assists and 55fg% for 11 seasons,1985-1996....even in his last 4 seasons when barkley was fat he avg 17-12-4 and 48fg%...that's not so bad as u say!
Barkely obviously had the better peak. He was the better player. This goes back to his Philly days, when he played on shit teams.
+Joe Kidd Karl Malone was a good to very good defender, just like he was a good to very good rebounder, but was far from spectacular in either category. The most important thing for a power forward is rebounding. Defense is more important for small forwards & centers. And to say that Barkley couldn't play any defense is stretching it. He was a lesser overall defender than Karl Malone, but a better shot blocker. But Barkley was absolutely an amazing rebounder, and rebounds are to power forwards what assists are to point guards. The power forward is supposed to score more than the point guard, but less than the centers & shooting guards of similar caliber.
***** A small forward like a Scottie Pippen for instance, needs to be able to guard multiple positions, because they're forced to switch all the time, to discourage passing lanes (sort of like a free safety in football), to play an opposing explosive scoring wing the whole length + width of the court & so on. A power forward does a lot more banging than a small forward, cause he's a little bigger, w/ usually a much wider frame. But a 4 usually has to account for just a side of the court, pushing & shoving w/ the other team's strong forward around the pinch post area+surrounding areas, but doesn't have to extend out to the perimeter or guard the slower power forward like a Karl Malone sideline to sideline, the way Pippen would have to against Dominique Wilkins. Now if you happen to be a great defensive power forward like a Dennis Rodman, Otis Thorpe, Tim Duncan, Charles Oakley, Kevin Garnett, great, but it's somewhat less important for a power forward to be a great defender than it is for a small forward who's got multiple responsibilities on defense all the same time.
***** I see your points for sure. They're really excellent! Not that I exactly consider a Luc Longley (Luuuuuuuuuuuc!!!) as a designated defensive stalwart inside like a Dikembe Mutombo, or a Bill Winnington as an intimidator of the paint like a Ben Wallace, but I get your points. On the Bulls, Phil Jackson liked to have all them 6'6-6'11 dobermans to just take away all angles of the court from the opposition, he really just needed any given white guy to take up space, hit an open 15-foot set jump shot, but mostly to pass out of the triangle. White guys like to pass in general, not saying Chris Paul isn't as great as anybody at it cause he is, but he's also CP3, whereas I'm just talking about guys who suck. And you're right, Pippen's a rare exception, and even in his case it's highly dependent on team's circumstances whether I'd be he, or somebody like a Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan for instance, that'd be of greater asset to a given team's defense.
Otis Thorpe was more of a true defensive specialist at the power forward position being ultra-great at guarding strong forwards, but not really anything else. Yet he was a huge asset on that end of the floor for the Rockets, cause it allowed Olajuwon to hang out under the basket blocking shots. If Hakeem had to guard a Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Larry Johnson, Loy Vaught, what have you, I'd take away his ability to deny driving layups & dunks under the basket. Even clogging those driving lanes to the hoop, it was a similar mentality as w/ the Knicks where Oakley would set up to take the charge, as Ewing would set up to the block the shot. In Houston, Thorpe would set up to take the charge, as Olajuwon would set up to block the shot. But other than that, if you were Rudy Tomjonovich, you didn't want Thorpe defending pick-&-roles or really switching much at all, for those were not his positives. Watching the Rockets play a pick-&-role team like the Jazz, whenever he had to switch up top on Sally Fields due to a Malone pick, he'd just pick up cheap blocking fouls w/ Sally jumping straight into him, and Rudy-T knew he needed Thorpe to have all 6 of his fouls to use up for defending against the Mailman. So it was in the Rockets best interests to just live w/ Kenny Smith trying to stay in front of Sally as best as he could, and if he gets picked, then just have Thorpe stick w/ Malone anyways, but live and die w/ Sally having that open lane to drive to the basket for a layup. She's never going to score 50, she may score an efficient 20, but that's better than her getting 20 assists. Away from the ball you also wanted OT to just stick w/ his match-up of Malone most of the time, instead of switch on Sally cutting back door, where she'd just grab hold of his red, gold & white muscle shirt, drawing a cheap holding foul.
Wow, what a great upload, Stockton and Malone vs KJ and Barkley.
I like Malones running hook, one of my favorite moves from him. And the way Stockton distributes the ball is a thing of beauty. I really enjoyed watching the Jazz play back in the day.
Thanks for the upload, do you have any stuff from Stocktons earlier years?, i think around 1990 was his prime individually, and would like to see more of him from back then.
This is a great game between guys who really knew the game. Since I am a classic 80s Lakers fan it was nice to see AC Green on the court and getting action with the ball as his role in the Kareem, Magic, Worthy dominated Lakers was kind of small.
"Malone benefited from John Stockton to be the scorer he was."
That's the myth and the assumption, but it's not born out from the empirical evidence.
In 1,412 regular season games in Utah with Stockton, Malone averaged 25.4 points on .517 field goal shooting.
In 22 regular season games in Utah without Stockton, Malone averaged 25.1 points on .524 field goal shooting.
I miss Hot Rod Hundleys voice during jazz games.
Both teams were really good!
In other words, Malone as a member of the Jazz was about a 25-ppg scorer on approximately 52 percent FG shooting-with Stockton, or without him. There was virtually no statistical difference. And Utah went 13-9 in those 22 games without Stockton, a .591 winning percentage, good for 48 wins per 82 games. That number isn't elite and Stockton made the Jazz better, but Utah still won at a secure, playoff-type pace without him.
What a battle, blue Edwards never should have left the Jazz. He was really benefiting from the team game, screens and passing of Stockton.....
this suns court looks like a football field..why does this court look so big compared to the other court.. the players look so small on this court
+Ricky Moss It has ultra bright lights & flashy painted colors.
Tod Wilkinson where's ur proof
The three point line was shorter that year started in 1994-95 season and back to its original distance since 1997-98 season and no the court doesn't look small it must be the high camera angles.
But in Malone's case, he played at a Hall of Fame level with Stockton and without him, with virtually no statistical difference. And although 22 games do not represent a huge sample, the sample is large enough to receive a ballpark sense, especially since those 22 games came in portions eight years apart.
Please keep posting games with Hot Rod and Boone.
So nice to hear Hot Rod and Booner.
The two western franchises that lost at home vs Chicago in a Three peat by a game winning shot in game 6 (poor Barkley and Malone & Stockton) I'm a Bulls fan even after the post Jordan struggle.
This game is how old..... & it was exciting STILL great great game with some all time greats not like a lot of unwatchable games today that’s just a 3point shootout. the nba will never be like this again
Charles Barkley and Wayman Tisdale both amounted to defensive liabilities and while A.C. Green constituted a sound defender, Barkley's presence meant that Green often needed to guard the opposing team's center or small forward. He was too small for center, especially given his lack of explosive leaping ability and shot blocking, and he proved a step slow against the quicker small forwards in the NBA such as Blue Edwards, especially given that Green was now thirty-one and in his tenth season.
Stockton and Malone were masters at what they did, but one can see from this video why the Suns ranked just nineteenth in the NBA that season in Defensive Rating (points allowed per 100 possessions). Especially with Danny Manning out for the season after tearing his ACL earlier that month, Phoenix possessed no shot blockers.
It's a shame these two teams didn't meet in the playoffs that year
If you think about it throwing the ball down court at the end of the game can be a good strategy if there's like 9-11 seconds left. It's definitely risky but if Barkley hadn't of thrown it he would have likely got trapped in the corner and unable to pass and then committed a 8 second backcourt violation. The Jazz would then have had a second to get off a three to send it to OT. Throwing it down court fixes only gives them enough time for a rushed half court three. Also a timeout would work if you had one left lol. Maybe if the other team just had amazing inbound defense and your inbounding was pretty bad then throwing it down court would still be an option even with available timeouts.
This is my era and I'm still trying to see the physical defense they talk about
Barkley was the more talented player, maybe the most talented forward in NBA history. But he was also much more of a ball-stopper, much less of a defender (regardless of who guarded who in this game), far less disciplined, and for all those reasons, he didn't fit into a team context as well.
Oh, well, neither of them won a championship despite playing with elite point guards, so there. Both fell to Jordan's teams ... and Olajuwon's.
But overall, Barkley played with more talent.
with more talent? r u on drugs?? Malone and Stockton r all time greats...Who did Barkley have on a level of Stockton through his prime years???
I'm a Suns fan bros
At 8:23, who yells, "Take a charge!" ... a fan, maybe?
And Malone does guard Barkley at times. Plus, in the clips shown from the second half, Barkley is often defending Adam Keefe.
SIR CHARLES and the MAILMAN were way better than lebum. Lol 🤣
this is the same Charles that Green dared to smack talk. Green would be a bench warmer in this era
1 of 4 career two-handed dunks by Karl Malone lol.
ストックトン、相変わらず美しいパスだ…。(^o^)
It's incredible how talented Charles Barkley. His talent allowed him to play well despite being constantly out of shape.
And Stockton, what can you say. He was really an engine. The entire team play was all about him.
Great Soild Basket Plays!! Win or Lose~ It Doesn't Matter to Me. Two Teams fight Each Other with entire Burning. That's Fully Enough!!! Fantastic~~
Stockton, Karl, and Barkley all look like they just want to play offense. I
8:22 "Take a charge!"
I guess that Utah lacked a timeout at the end.
1:48- I always wondered why Karl didn't get many alley oops. Here's my answer. That landing looked awful! He didn't look great while in the air. He was always a basic pass one hand jammer.
@Tod Wilkinson Stockton had more than good enough timing & accuracy on his alley-oops when he saw opportunities, and advantages to throw them. I saw him hook up on the alley-oop to David Benoit & Karl Malone once in a while in quiet a few games, and even sometimes to Thurl Bailey while they still had him in the 1st go-around. He didn't make a steady diet of it like a Gary Payton or Jason Williams, cause he just didn't have the athletes in Salt Lake City w/ the crazy athleticism to be alley-oop threats as often, and he himself was less flashy, playing on a fundamentally-oriented team.
Bryon Russell was actually less athletic than David Benoit at small forward for the late 90s teams, and Malone wasn't as athletic at that stage of his career as when he was younger. Antoine Carr was also not as athletic as Thurl Bailey as a supplementary forward, and a little less long. Everyone thinks that Malone & Stockton had more talent around them in the late 90s than late 80s or early 90s, just cause that's when they went to the Finals, and nobody on the Jazz in those days was catching alley-oops. But I think that their competition just got old by then, while Stockton & Malone were still at the latter stages of their primes, because of their incredible longevity, and expansionism also thinned the competition around them.
I'd take Jeff Hornacek over Jeff Malone, but just slightly, but Mark Eaton was a better version of Greg Ostertag. The late 90s teams may have had a little better bench, and little better 3pt shooting, but the late 80s to early 90s teams, while never being in the running for most athletic team, I at least felt that they weren't athletically challenged when they could control the pace. Their defense was better from 87 to 92, than in the Ostertag/Russell/Hornacek sub era. But the Utah Jazz, like the Boston Celtics of their day, are a white team (in relative talks), so they're not going to razzle & dazzle you w/ a heavy assortment of above-the-rim play, if their point guard is all-time alley-oop dunk tossing king in CP3.
@Tod Wilkinson Yeah, John Stockton was no longer winning his assists crowns when the Jazz broke through to the Finals. Many think it's cause Horny gave the Jazz an essentially double point guard backcourt, ans he did, but he was on the team in 94-96, w/ Stockton still capturing the assists crowns for all of those three yrs. Some point to the inspired play of backup point guard Howard Eisley taking up a decent chunk of Stockton's minutes by the later 90s, but I don't think that Eisley was that better than Jay Humphries, who I actually thought was underrated as a backup point guard. I'd take him over Jim Les at anything other than shooting, but not over Rickey Green who was was the backup when Stockton broke through for his 1st assists crown in 88, averaging 14. Also, Delaney Rudd was okay for the 3rd string point guard, so I don't roll w/ the narrative that Stockton's backups pre-Eisley were chopped liver. I don't think the Jazz ever padded Stockton's assists, he was just the most unselfish point guard in NBA history, who was clearly past his peak by the Finals' yrs.
The 92 team that won 55 games, would've been at least in Game 7 of the WCF against a stacked Trail Blazers team, had it not been for David Benoit's father dying at the worst possible time, and him having to miss Game 5 @ Portland, a game the Jazz lost in overtime. They never played well in Portland, but Game 5 was the one they really would've had under normal circumstances. Also, just before intermission, Clyde Drexler inadvertently pocked Stockton in the eye. The Utah all-star suffered double-vision, and would not return on that evening. Coming out of the locker room, the Jazz surprisingly rallied around each other, and made a comeback. Karl Malone scored 28 2nd half pts, but w/ time running out, Utah still trailed by 3. "If you're Portland you should file for possession of the basketball"-Steve Jones. Rudd for a 3-pointer, right down the middle. But Delaney Rudd's unlikely time in the spotlight was cut short by an efficient Blazers team in overtime. Portland scored 20pts in the 5min extra session, and pulled away. Wide open is Buck Williams, that should do it, they're really celebrating now. With 4 starters scoring more than 20pts, Blazers edged the Jazz 127-101, moving 1 win from the NBA Finals. With even just Stockton in the 2nd half, Malone probably erupts for 34pts in the 2nd half, instead of 28 (which is remarkable), and Utah wins. Maybe the Blazers don't play as well @ The Delta Center in Game 6, w/o the momentum they were able to keep after Game 5.
@@arsonhakobyan Could you rank the best Jazz teams of all time? in your personal opinion
@@scarykurapika100yago2 By the way, I meant 127-121 for the Game 5 overtime win; was a typo. I'd say the best Jazz teams of all-time were as follows:
-1)97 Jazz-this was still pre-knee injury Stockton in 1st Finals trip. 98 Finals was post-knee injury Stockton.
-2)95 Jazz-60wins pre-2nd expansion of the modern era was awfully impressive. This was the yr. Sloan's Jazz finally became a good road team.
-3)96 Jazz-at 34, last yr. Stockton took home assists title. Even the talented, younger & more athletic 64win SuperSonics w/ home court advantage, were pretty lucky to escape in the WCF in 7 games, w/ Stockton injured (though he played), Malone bricking all those foul shots, plus a few favorable home calls in key stretches.
-4)98 Jazz-closest the Jazz ever came to winning the title. But their Western competition from the early 90s was so over-the-hill, while Spurs & Lakers weren't ready to come up yet. Da Bulls were also old by this yr., Pippen had an ailing back, had lost their front line depth from a season before, in Bison Delay (or Brian Williams) & Jason Caffey. Albeit, da Bulls did get some very favorable calls.
-5)92 Jazz-best Eaton & pre-Hornacek Jazz team. Would be able to compete against the Finals versions of themselves. Were a bit more athletic than in 97 & 98; maybe not good enough on the road though to beat the best in a best-of-7 series, where even w/ home court advantage, you're likely to need to win once in the other person's building. It's just really hard to hold server 4x out 4 against a great road team, and most 60win caliber teams can win once on your floor in 4 tries, even if you're almost invincible on your home floor, like w/ 5 or less losses there all season long.
*the above's in order, and I feel that top-5's a decent stopping place for now. Some of the other Jazz teams of the Sloan era were decent, and this year's Jazz surprised some people (myself included), but not so good that I want dedicate a list just for them.
No, what kind of a fool sees one play in a 19 yr career and assumes the landing was typical? The pass from Jeff hornachek was a bit off in timing.
amen.
Stockton could have had way more than 19 assists in this game. SMH Karl Malone missing easy buckets!
Why didn't you post Malone stats Malone had 30 and 9 rebounds and Barkley had 35 and 9 rebounds the Suns won 110-107 Malone despite being injured played 44 minutes
10:59 Wow! Blue was true!
barkley plays like lebron or the otherway around
+Robin Hood Except Barkley has even more power but w/ slightly less length, compared to Lebron having slightly more athleticism (cause he's got Shawn Kemp's athleticism), but Barkley was just such a tear on the glass, you could stop his scoring before you could stop his rebounding.
+Robin Hood The Other Way Around..
Get Buckets
Charles Barkley was just as great of a passer for a power forward as Lebron James is for a small forward, shot a much higher field goal %age, was not quiet as athletic but just as athletic as Lebron relative to how chunky he was. I call their scoring a wash cause Barkley shot less but had much higher offensive efficiency averages, though Barkley's more limited at getting his own good shot & relies more on guards to get him the ball since we're comparing a swing-man to a true-4 who was versatile for his position, but not able to be as versatile as a Lebron James. Lebron James would be lucky to win 1 MVP if he played during Jordan's, Magic's & Hakeem's prime. This is somewhat an apples to oranges comparison.
Charles Barkley & John Stockton are to me the two greatest players since the merger to not get a ring.
***** Not as great of defense as Pippen (at least not consistently), but LBJ is overall more similar to Pippen than he is to Barkley, but there's still some similarity between LBJ & Chuck. Lebron's level of physicality and brute force is more like Charles' than Scottie's, but his all-court game is more like Scottie's. I still feel now even at 31 that Lebron is so raw w/ limited post moves or grace, but just such a freak of nature who's like a fright train w/ handles. Guys like Dwyane Wade and Tim Duncan developed so much of their grace and footwork in college like so many of the greats of yesteryear always would, besides that they're gifted w/ those things naturally, but it still takes time and development. On the other hand guys like Kevin Garnett, Lebron James, Dwight Howard, Shawn Kemp & so on always remain more so limited to just their athletic abilities and raw power, because NBA coaches just don't have time to work w/ individuals specifically on any one element of basketball.
Suns had a deep front court..Green Manning ,Tisdale and Barkley..I'm guessing Manning was hurt..
Any front court with Barkley just know there's going to be no defense
This is the day Nikola Jokic was born
Charles Barkley llego a jugar menor nivel de Basquet que Karl Malone..... quizás Malone fue mas efectivo en el tiempo, pero "Pick" de nivel de juego Barkley mejor
Stockton played basketball like the conductor of a symphony.
Suns fan win or lose
Barkley> Malone in his prime...Barkley's prime was shorter than Malone's but Barkley was the better player. Barkley was better rebounder, ball handler, post game and playmaker. Malone benefited from John Stockton to be the scorer he was..Notice in this game Barkley guards Malone. However, Malone wont D up Barkley
Nice pass by Majerle at 1:10.
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Why the commentator repeating everything that their doing when we can see it. Let the blind people listen on the radio lol
+timhoward5 I have 20/20 vision but love listening to games on the radio sometimes. And seeing what's happening is not nearly as fun for me as hearing experts w/ exciting voices do play-by-play. If that's not your cup of tea, you can just put your games on mute. Be happy that there are more jobs for more different personalities to do. I don't understand what the problem is?
Not funny.
Old school announcers, like Hot Rod Hunley (and the Suns' Al McCoy), began their careers at a time when they were heard on the radio (and/or both radio and TV). That's why their style is so descriptive. Personally I love the detailed play-by-play and I really wish today's TV-only announcers used this style.
hand checking? wow overrated
This can't be 1995 because teh suns traded marlie in the summer of 94.
You are wrong. It is 1995 www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199502190PHO.html