For my simple experience I come from few yars of Taekwondo and I started 1 year and an Half ago Hapkido, but I've been ipnotized by the way the systema practitioners do the falls, expecialy over an hard floor. It's very useful, even if you put these skills in another martial art.
The idea is to improve body control. I wouldn't back roll in a dark alley any more than I would perform a push up in one, but if I can't do either and I wind up on my back, chances are my options will be limited by my own incapacities. That being said, we can't be good at or even like every aspect of training so I think you can safely live a fruitful life without perfecting ground flow ;)
Weaponizing the roll includes rolling into the attacker, snaring him, kicking or striking from the roll, pulling him to the ground, etc. The goal is to stay fluid rather than to get locked up in a struggle. Generally, you would not be back rolling blindly towards another person intentional. Even in the case of the instep roll, Systema always advocates continuous movment. A number of drills, including having people stomp on you as you roll are used to train this reflex.
Each method is favorable for a specific condition. Generally it is best to stand back up, unless perhaps you are under fire. The instep is safer on the ground and smoother but the ball of the foot is necessary as stated to protect weapons. If you have a firearm on your belt and have to stay down, the instep method is not viable. You are always open to stomps, on all areas of the body, when you are on the ground. If you are ever rolling that close to another human the roll should be weaponized.
Don't you just love how masters can come up to you after years of (casual, lets be honest) practice and just completely blow apart the basic thing you thought you were getting somewhat good at. "So you've been training multiple years in (X) art? Cool, cool. But, yeah, no, that's not how should roll. Let's unlearn and relearn this entire thing, ok?"
Exactly. I've learned some ground work in Krav but very little. And yes, I've noticed that most rolls I saw in Systema had to do with guns. Who do/did you train with in canada?
@TehReeper740 That's not correct. There are many variations of back falls and rolls in RMA. Some do grab the head, but not all. Military work often assumes the hands will be occupied on a rifle for example and therefore the head grab is not always present. Even the head grab itself is commonly taught as something too static in many apporaches and should rather shield the head and then unscrew and elongate to help the practitioner up.
true, i started training in krav in my hometown here now aswell, not because i don't like systema but because the people practicing it here don't really make the training as tough as it should be nor are they as good as the instructors i've worked with in the past; however krav is still lacking in the ''taking strikes'' department...
Ultimately it boils down to instructors and not styles. Many Krav guys do practice ground, rolling--Moni Asek for example even teaches drop kicks and ground sweeps. What matters is the instructor fits for you. Krav definitely does have a simpler curriculum however. Most of the ground work from Systema stems from offensive gun movement and from what I've seen, Krav does not teach this at all.
Well since I've stopped practicing Systema I switched to Krav Maga. No rolling :D makes life a lot simpler and personally I find it more straight forward than Systema. But again, that's just my opinion. :-)
These are the things in Systema that I always hated. Rolling... Maybe it's me but I honestly don't quite see how I"ll be rolling around while getting attacked in a dark alley. Sorry but it's just my opinion. I've trained under Kevin, great guy VERY knowledgeable but I still hate rolling lol.
For my simple experience I come from few yars of Taekwondo and I started 1 year and an Half ago Hapkido, but I've been ipnotized by the way the systema practitioners do the falls, expecialy over an hard floor. It's very useful, even if you put these skills in another martial art.
I,ve been rolling for years but there is always room to grow, thanks Kevin, 5/5
The idea is to improve body control. I wouldn't back roll in a dark alley any more than I would perform a push up in one, but if I can't do either and I wind up on my back, chances are my options will be limited by my own incapacities. That being said, we can't be good at or even like every aspect of training so I think you can safely live a fruitful life without perfecting ground flow ;)
Great instruction, great video.
You're brilliant as always Kevin.
that was an excellent tutorial and/of distinction awareness in movement. thank you
Great video! Very fluid, great body control, and flexibility. Thank you for sharing your experience with us!
Weaponizing the roll includes rolling into the attacker, snaring him, kicking or striking from the roll, pulling him to the ground, etc. The goal is to stay fluid rather than to get locked up in a struggle.
Generally, you would not be back rolling blindly towards another person intentional. Even in the case of the instep roll, Systema always advocates continuous movment. A number of drills, including having people stomp on you as you roll are used to train this reflex.
Thank for the vid. Love the fluent motion you have,
This man is fantastic!!! 😄
Thanks for watching
fantastic rolls mate u r amazing teacher this vid has helped me lubricate my stiff back also.thankyou
Outstanding!
Thanks for watching
Each method is favorable for a specific condition. Generally it is best to stand back up, unless perhaps you are under fire. The instep is safer on the ground and smoother but the ball of the foot is necessary as stated to protect weapons. If you have a firearm on your belt and have to stay down, the instep method is not viable. You are always open to stomps, on all areas of the body, when you are on the ground. If you are ever rolling that close to another human the roll should be weaponized.
Don't you just love how masters can come up to you after years of (casual, lets be honest) practice and just completely blow apart the basic thing you thought you were getting somewhat good at. "So you've been training multiple years in (X) art? Cool, cool. But, yeah, no, that's not how should roll. Let's unlearn and relearn this entire thing, ok?"
That's awesome. Do you have any tips for rolling back in a tight space, where you can't stretch out? For instance near a wall. Thanks.
Exactly. I've learned some ground work in Krav but very little. And yes, I've noticed that most rolls I saw in Systema had to do with guns. Who do/did you train with in canada?
@TehReeper740 That's not correct. There are many variations of back falls and rolls in RMA. Some do grab the head, but not all. Military work often assumes the hands will be occupied on a rifle for example and therefore the head grab is not always present. Even the head grab itself is commonly taught as something too static in many apporaches and should rather shield the head and then unscrew and elongate to help the practitioner up.
true, i started training in krav in my hometown here now aswell, not because i don't like systema but because the people practicing it here don't really make the training as tough as it should be nor are they as good as the instructors i've worked with in the past; however krav is still lacking in the ''taking strikes'' department...
Corner de maisonneuve, near metro Peel?
I love this backward roll:-) Tks.
Yep. We're still there.
@jackarf1 how about if you oppoennt made you trippthen you might want to roll...
Ultimately it boils down to instructors and not styles. Many Krav guys do practice ground, rolling--Moni Asek for example even teaches drop kicks and ground sweeps. What matters is the instructor fits for you. Krav definitely does have a simpler curriculum however. Most of the ground work from Systema stems from offensive gun movement and from what I've seen, Krav does not teach this at all.
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Well since I've stopped practicing Systema I switched to Krav Maga. No rolling :D makes life a lot simpler and personally I find it more straight forward than Systema. But again, that's just my opinion. :-)
I train under Vlad and teach in Montreal.
How things have changed...
These are the things in Systema that I always hated. Rolling... Maybe it's me but I honestly don't quite see how I"ll be rolling around while getting attacked in a dark alley. Sorry but it's just my opinion. I've trained under Kevin, great guy VERY knowledgeable but I still hate rolling lol.
Somebody needs to visit a chiropractor. lol
Chiropractic needs to visit some evidence of effectiveness for anything but some lower back pain. It hasn't.
take off your shoes
Just take off, eh.