I like this comparison videos. Though these tests are only for late game builds, might be worthwhile to also compare their early to mid game and their item powerspikes
You can dash more with trinity than crit. There will always be tanky heroes in high ranks. Against squishy heroes both builds kill them very fast so imo it doesn’t matter whether the enemy line up has more squishy or tanky heroes and that trinity is just better just my opinion of course
At this point might as well adjust the build according to enemy but... When the new adjusted items comes maybe Crit might have the upper edge a bit because of Haas claws. But that's just me although you gotta admit that passive can be clutch from time to time so maybe this video will need a small update.
you should also consider other factors such as cost effectiveness, crit build is slightly cheaper by 90 gold, not that much difference. which will help you farm better in the early, mid and late game. - early game, building tier 2 like swift corssbow and vampirr mallet can make a difference. Item effects can help on one on one and laning - corrosion scythe can help in chasing, while DHS has lifesteal for lane sustain
For Melissa specifically, the crit build has one other advantage, that being Windtalker's passive helps you clear lanes so much faster than other MM thanks to her passive (25% more dmg against non-hero units). This can reduce how long you show on the map, which means you'll be safer against ganks For sustain with crit build, i personally think the base lifesteal stat you get from MM emblem is more than enough (you can even double down on it by putting stat points in lifesteal too). She's usually used with Inspire too, so i think it's more than enough.
If you're not sure what yo build, just build hybrid with Corrosion,DHS,Windtalker and Berserker's fury..remove the Golden Staff that negates crit..then just adjust accordingly (build WoN/Haa's or whatever 1 defensive item u want)..this is how I build Argus almost all the time.
@@albertcelzo8103 Yeah, attack spd boots, you can go defensive boots though, it just really depends on you , I'm just sharing what I do..based on experience 👍
I preferred -attck speed boots -corrosion scythe -wind talker -Bersekers fury -scarlet phantom -rose gold/demon hunter I usually used this when Im facing less tanky heroes and I especially like to use this because of the movement speed lol
@@thats_not_breezyshes_soo_windy Vengeance returns a part of all the damage dealt. Blade armor only returns part of the main basic attack (excludes dhs) and a percentage of physical defense. So dealing more crit -> taking more damage
You should always go for attack speed on MM as one of the main roles is to push the objectives. It's not that big difference between the killing time on the crit and attack speed but when it comes with towers, crit cannot even compare with attack speed.
Some MMs don't take advantage of Attack Speed build. Yes they're one of the main roles to take down towers but they're also the main damage dealer in the team aside from the mage. Some MMs prefer critical build such as Irithel, Moskov (Although he prefers a hybrid build), Miya, Layla etc. because they can't capitalize on the items in the Attack Speed build (DHS only being advantageous for multiple attacks at once, Golden Staff requiring you to have atleast some sort of enabler etc.). The main reason why Attack Speed build even works is because of the survivability and sustainability you gain in exchange for damage and that cannot work well with MMs who's main strength IS their offence capability.
@@dreii16 Yeah, on some of them crit build works better because they have no benefits from the attack speed. But Moskov for example is, for me, better with the attack speed as it reduces the CD on his spells, therefore he can dash more frequently. So again, it's not that big difference between crit and attack speed build for the heroes that he's showing in these videos, so, for them attack speed build is just better
@@healerdance7 one of the problem i encounter usually when i use moskov atk speed build is ur guaranteed to lose against enemy mm with crit build. unless you ambush them or managed to stun with ur 2nd, he has lower basic attack range compare to others
You should review Arlott, because right now I mainly use Arlott at full tank build items, he is way more efficient at gameplay, but perhaps u should review 😅
I prefer combining both builds, atk speed kills tanky heroes faster because of the demon hunter, so my default build is {corrosion scythe - demon hunter - scarlet phantom (instead of golden staff) - berserk fury - malefic roar (or wind if necessary)}
Eligin, I have a request for you can you start the camparion with two or three items and then increase the items gradually it will be more helpful to know which item set can help farm fast thank you, love you
Ever since I used critical build on melissa, I've been getting savages from her since last year :) *this is entirely MY OWN OPINION but crit build is better than atk speed build
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I'm always using critical Melissa and I can't wait for the adjustment of haas claws and scarlet
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@@Goruden_4407 the natalia buff was so unexpected
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Can you tell me ur build please?
I like this comparison videos. Though these tests are only for late game builds, might be worthwhile to also compare their early to mid game and their item powerspikes
@@KiEruLF20 what?
The tower push test will always favor the atk. speed build since Scarlet’s passive doesn’t work on turrets.
@HappyTauras usual those troll developers got our hopes up
It depends on the enemy line up. If most heroes on the enemy are squishy, go for the crit. But if there is more tanky hero, then go for attck speed.
yup, i was abt to comment that lol :)
So u got here first huh?
You can dash more with trinity than crit. There will always be tanky heroes in high ranks. Against squishy heroes both builds kill them very fast so imo it doesn’t matter whether the enemy line up has more squishy or tanky heroes and that trinity is just better just my opinion of course
@@cake3397which is the reason there's the need for the buffing for critical builds.
I prefer both😅
If DHS is added with the Crit build the results with a tanky target may differ.
At this point might as well adjust the build according to enemy but...
When the new adjusted items comes maybe Crit might have the upper edge a bit because of Haas claws. But that's just me although you gotta admit that passive can be clutch from time to time so maybe this video will need a small update.
you should also consider other factors such as
cost effectiveness, crit build is slightly cheaper by 90 gold, not that much difference.
which will help you farm better in the early, mid and late game. - early game, building tier 2 like swift corssbow and vampirr mallet can make a difference.
Item effects can help on one on one and laning - corrosion scythe can help in chasing, while DHS has lifesteal for lane sustain
For Melissa specifically, the crit build has one other advantage, that being Windtalker's passive helps you clear lanes so much faster than other MM thanks to her passive (25% more dmg against non-hero units). This can reduce how long you show on the map, which means you'll be safer against ganks
For sustain with crit build, i personally think the base lifesteal stat you get from MM emblem is more than enough (you can even double down on it by putting stat points in lifesteal too). She's usually used with Inspire too, so i think it's more than enough.
Comparing Argus with both builds might be interesting.
If you're not sure what yo build, just build hybrid with Corrosion,DHS,Windtalker and Berserker's fury..remove the Golden Staff that negates crit..then just adjust accordingly (build WoN/Haa's or whatever 1 defensive item u want)..this is how I build Argus almost all the time.
That's how i use Melissa
Well, thanks for this. Love from PH 🇵🇭 bro 😊
How about the boots? Is swift boots the default for melissa and argus?
@@albertcelzo8103 Yeah, attack spd boots, you can go defensive boots though, it just really depends on you , I'm just sharing what I do..based on experience 👍
Id say scarlet is better than windtalker bcs more crit rate and atk and almost the same atk speed
Yay finally, I was one of those that suggested this comparison when the Moskov comparison video came out. Please try out Zilong or Argus next
Skin mellisa have +8 physical attack advantage yk
Really wanted know this .. thanks Elgin ✨️
I preferred
-attck speed boots
-corrosion scythe
-wind talker
-Bersekers fury
-scarlet phantom
-rose gold/demon hunter
I usually used this when Im facing less tanky heroes and I especially like to use this because of the movement speed lol
Bro the basic skin has +8 physical attack.
Going crit usually means she gets punished *hard* by blade armor. As if dhs build doesn't already suffer from it, crit is just too risky.
More like vengeance
@@thats_not_breezyshes_soo_windy Vengeance returns a part of all the damage dealt. Blade armor only returns part of the main basic attack (excludes dhs) and a percentage of physical defense. So dealing more crit -> taking more damage
And dhs has lifesteal so it can sustain back the blade armor damage
4:20 Video length. Nice 👍🏻
When I use millisa I do hybrid build critical plus demon hunter and malefic roar or crimson scite I'm bad at spelling even though I'm gr 7 😅
Compare which better build for guinevere, tank build or mage build next due to her recent buff/adjustment
But if you look closely, atk speed melissa using basic skin and crit melissa using skin +8 physical attack..
As long you got the skin its still aplied to default skin ig
I use atk speed build except instead of staff i use scarlet phantom and i must say its worth a try!
I hope when you do test like this without skin for both cause skin have a little attribute like dmg or hp for tanky hero(s)
Finally this video is for me because I am Melissa main
Maraming salamat po natutunan nya ako mahalin dahil dito
Uhh remember skin can add 8+ physical attack
After purchasing a skin, you will still get the attribute when even using the default skin.
Please do a 3way between tank, damage, and hybrid lancelot.
How about you include survivability? It is one of the factors which build to use in a clash
Trinity build is better if u want to utilize her first skill, you can use two dashes with one 2nd skill.
Could you try next video about Zhask Magic Build?in which build is better?
Because Zhask is my main mage and favourite hero Thanks
Brody Fast Attack with Crits vs Slow Attack with CRITS.
Yes Brody
I love using attack speed honestly, she is so good to play as. as long as u have good teammates, u might even have a chance to have a savage in ranked
Recién me doy cuenta que el peluche de Melissa también cambia de color XD
U can combine the 2 build types
Go scarlet,dhs,berserker,malefic,wind of nature
U can easily kill squishy heroes at the same time melt tanks.
Isn't it the skin 😅
You should always go for attack speed on MM as one of the main roles is to push the objectives. It's not that big difference between the killing time on the crit and attack speed but when it comes with towers, crit cannot even compare with attack speed.
Some MMs don't take advantage of Attack Speed build. Yes they're one of the main roles to take down towers but they're also the main damage dealer in the team aside from the mage. Some MMs prefer critical build such as Irithel, Moskov (Although he prefers a hybrid build), Miya, Layla etc. because they can't capitalize on the items in the Attack Speed build (DHS only being advantageous for multiple attacks at once, Golden Staff requiring you to have atleast some sort of enabler etc.). The main reason why Attack Speed build even works is because of the survivability and sustainability you gain in exchange for damage and that cannot work well with MMs who's main strength IS their offence capability.
@@dreii16 Yeah, on some of them crit build works better because they have no benefits from the attack speed. But Moskov for example is, for me, better with the attack speed as it reduces the CD on his spells, therefore he can dash more frequently. So again, it's not that big difference between crit and attack speed build for the heroes that he's showing in these videos, so, for them attack speed build is just better
@@healerdance7 one of the problem i encounter usually when i use moskov atk speed build is ur guaranteed to lose against enemy mm with crit build. unless you ambush them or managed to stun with ur 2nd, he has lower basic attack range compare to others
Do a Edith build guide, you will be surprised how many builds there are for edith
I thought it was only tank or mage build lol
I'm usually use windtalker, dhs and berserkers for crit and hp based damage
Hi elgin. Been watching all your videos. As far as I know, normal skin has +8 attributes.
Miya next with attack speed vs critical build
Crit is better, her passive is enough for attack spd
With attack speed build you can dash upto 3 times if enemies are linked with 2nd skill. Soo that's a perk
The real question is which one is cheaper
I'll go for the Critical with scythe
I think the Golden staff is better with her for cdr of her dash/basic atk
Test argus aspd vs high pen build
Ah wait, you should use both with skin, it adds +8 physical attack though.
Dude. Did someone say Melissa Tank Build? 💀
Oh no don't do it
so you say good bye tank layla, welcome tank Melissa? 😄
can we all appreciate layla for sacrifying her life for this experiment?
No , they aren't even real Layla
It's fake are u 10?
Do a build test with Alpha!
Attack Speed Build
or
Common Damage Build
I want to see ZL comparison next.
@_._Real_Elgin My ass you fucking Scammers.
You should review Arlott, because right now I mainly use Arlott at full tank build items, he is way more efficient at gameplay, but perhaps u should review 😅
depends if the users are good at using melissa of any build that it can put
I pick both except I'm not using golden stadd
Edith build guide please. There's a lot of Edith users in solo queque that dont freaking understand her passive and build magic items first.
I prefer combining both builds, atk speed kills tanky heroes faster because of the demon hunter, so my default build is {corrosion scythe - demon hunter - scarlet phantom (instead of golden staff) - berserk fury - malefic roar (or wind if necessary)}
Can You Try Badang Trinity Build vs Badang Penetration build Thank You
Eligin, I have a request for you
can you start the camparion with two or three items and then increase the items gradually
it will be more helpful to know which item set can help farm fast
thank you, love you
Can you make another which build is better video with Argus next time? Pls I'm just curious
old thamuz spellvamp build vs current attack speed thamuz build would be cool
Ever since I used critical build on melissa, I've been getting savages from her since last year :)
*this is entirely MY OWN OPINION but crit build is better than atk speed build
Hey Elgin can you make a video about popal and kupa which build is better?
What about comparing the builds with the inspire spell? Inspire spell probably is the most used spell on her.
Im using atk speed but i think in the build adjustment i will have to use crit build now
I refer a semi build instead
Like using corosion scyth and scarlet phantom
I think u should wait for the new hasses claw and sacarlet phantom before making another video 😊
seeing the kill times were very similar means that Trinity is overall better since it gives more lifesteal and slow than crit
I think next patch crit build will be better for Melissa especially with Haas claws revamp
haas claw update will reduce blade armor effect on critical build.
i think critical build will be better once the update come
Honestly , my build is both crit and attack speed.
the comparison that we need
Use the speed squad
Crit speed with dhs and corrosion scythe
Karrie next I wanna see juat curious
Hey Kuya Elgin, I wanna know your thoughts about the different builds for edith, like Attack speed, High Defense, or High Hp build.
high defense for ult form damage increase
high hp for the initial form of edith
@_._Real_Elgin weeeeeh
trinity is usually better because it comes online way faster than crit build in early game
I main mage/tank if I get forced to off pick marksman/fighter/assassin what heroes are the most versatile?
Test hybrid build: tanky MM with atk spd (DH shred/GS) + Lifesteal
I TELL YA - UNKILLABLE
should be basic vs jjk skin....her curse needle is "default/no skin" dont give +7 physical attack attribute
The critical Melissa has a skin that's why it's stronger because the skin has 8+ damage which makes it kill slightly faster
Do miya next😅😅
its depend on situation more tanky hero trinity build . for non tanky build use crit buuld
Tought Boots
Corrosion Scythe
DHS
Berserker fury
Scarlett Phantom
Maelefic Roar
1: Just firm well then enemy
Both build are better at different situations
Atk speed build even give little lifesteal
Novaria: burst or cd reduction?
it really just depends if the enemy has a good tank(s) or not
Maybe Freya too, better speed atk or crit?
quick reminder : using a skin adds a bit of physical attack
only in Classic and Brawl
@@aristotelesemblem2506 what about rank?
@@aristotelesemblem2506 oh
Please make a video on wanwan after her Nerf please
Bro crittical melissa is killing the enemy faster cause you use skin and atk speed not cause skin give the hero 8+ more physical atk on the hero
Noobs saying that Melissa with skin in this comparison is stronger because of Skin Bonus
As a certified Melissa main, I would go for Trinity Build no matter what.
Sml
WHO CERTIFIED YOU ?
Self-proclaimed certified 😂
With the new scarlet phantom shed have decent mobility even without boots
That's how op scarlet phantom is.
Wait Elgin, the left one doesn't use skin so that will create a HUGE gap time of killinv.
Try critical build with DHS, works every time 😮💨
Im using critical on her, so my team asking me why im building her like that. Then at the late game, they dont mind me anymore
Thank you for doing it 🙏☺️
Waiting for the one on Karie
I wanna know which of these build is better for Hanabi.
balmond tank build vs balmond dmg build(crit)
Tank Layla back at it again doing her job
try it using the same skin
finally build guide for melissa