Just combine Corrosion Scythe with Crit Build, the enemies will find it hard to escape from the slow and the attack also crit consecutively. Squishies at the back are the main target anyway, ignore the tank at the front.
Atk spd build is generally better after the revamp since the bounce on her basic atk deals on-hit effects. She also has a low phys atk compared to other MMs so her crits would be lower.
@@doodoo7207 It's just a very small difference between the two builds. You'd still wanna go for atk spd build since it has Corrosion Scythe, slower enemies means easier landing and more bounces.
@@doodoo7207 The video proves crit is better against squishies. If it's against a tanky hero like belerick or hylos with blade armor, hanabi crit is dead.
Critical hanabi build is quite rare to find on matches and attack speed is much better base on situations and can gain lifesteal very fast on base enemies in sticking together or minions or creeps
The simple answer for this is that it depends on which enemies you are up against. You need to have that Versatility as your main arsenal. You also need to be mindful of what they CAN DO and what they CANNOT DO. With that in mind, you know what TO DO and what NOT TO DO. This will also work with ALL heroes. So with this you're one step closer to being better at playing the game. But most importantly, have fun! Cheers!
@@Goruden_4407 in case you didn't know, Kimmy skill is not a bug, it is indeed a skill and it was intentended to be so, why? So she can trigger ice-queen wand passive which is a core item for Kimmy. Even Karina and old Aldous are not immune to Kimmy skill, however she can't trigger basic attack effects, like she can't push, she can't use feather of heaven, she can't use calamity reaper, etc... Next update they may change magic lifesteal, which will make changing Kimmy passive from skill to basic attack a BIG nerf on her Also your demands are too much, buffing Natalia with all these suggestions will immediately put her in ban section AGAIN One or two little buffs should be ok though as she is not that good now indeed
Homestly, it doesn't matter which build you use on Hanabi since in the end it comes down to your own preference. What's important is actually knowing when you're strong or not. A couple times, i met Crit Hanabi that fight too early even when she hasn't even built Berserker's Fury. On the other hand, given how common DHS trinity are, i'm still surprised that there are some Hanabi users that farm non-stop even after their DHS trinity is completed and her team needs her dmg
I believe the mix of both is pefect for Hanabi. With trinity she can deal lots of damage but the enemy can escape with low hp. Since she has no mobility she can't chase them. With crit it takes too long to scale and deal less damage to tanky. My build is Corrosion Scythe, DHS, Berserker Fury, Scarlet Phamtom, the rest can be adjustable
Yeah golden staff is a waste item, kinda~ Even with badang i don't build golden staff instead go for pen items and only demon hunter as a atk spd item.
Maybe but in terms of shear dps trinity build is much better even with low hp enemies since the trinity build hanabe can reach 450% plus atk especially with the golden staff passive of making every 2 basics 100% more atk spd so she can rewch 500 while crit with dhs corrosiion at best would only reach 300 which might not look that much but if you think about it. In 2 sec span trinity hanabe can attack lets say 6 basic attack(representation) while the dhs corrsion crit build can only throw 3 to 4 it might not look much but the shear number of bouncing basic attack can melt almost any enemies (2 or more) also every individual bounce can activate the golden staff passive that give additional 100% atk spd that also activate atk effect for two times every 2 attack(every bounce count as 1 atttack)
I miss the old Hanabi with the free lifesteal. It was unique for a marksman so they shouldn't have removed it. I don't mind nerfing the damage of her second and ultimate just to get the free lifesteal back.
thing with golden staff is.. buying this item allows the attack speed to go BEYOND the 3.00 limit.. which normally impossible, so having green scythe with crit build mostly wasting the huge attack speed bonus from green scythe passive as it hits cap in one or two hits (is this how it is supposed to work??) i usually put windtalker into the build instead of malefic roar for the giggles, she attacks SO FAST with this build when she activates skill 1
For Hanabi, it doesn't really matter to be honest. Either way she's pretty good. My personal build is Crit Build but I replace Scarlet Phantom with DHS, and then sell the boots and buy either Corrosion or another Windtalker.
@@xpumpkinx7387 Corrosion has the extra movement speed stat. Athough it's little, it's better if you want more damage output and still maintain mobility, since Windtalker doesn't have an extra Physical Attack stat.
Before her evamped, Hanabi is thr one helped me reached MG with 9 win-streak. I usually build DHS, Scarlet, Berserk, BoD, then the last item is depends to enemy heroes. If there's someone can burst me with high magic/physical damage, then either I buy Immo or Athena, but if the enemy has high DPS marksman, then WoN (Wind of Nature). Is not necessarily to build golden staff if you bought DHS.
The trinity build works if the enemies are dumb enough to stick together when facing against Hanabi. If the enemies are smart enough to split up against Hanabi, the critical build would be a good choice.
There is no match where players of atleast two would not be around each other and hanabe damage is much stronger with only 2 enemies so even if they only stick out with small number its still hard and obviously it is better to have atleast one that can reach her as fast a possible
Maybe do these test on other hero roles to like what is better in a mage full cdr build or full burst build?or comparing items to each other like what item is better cursed helmet or thunder belt cuz i think that would be interesting Pls do natan magic build vs trinity build vs crit u know just to prefer attack edit:imo attack speed is better cuz of the many usage it has like slow,hp base dmg,huge damage on squishies,and better damage in teamfight and can push turrets extremely fast.but that's just my opinion
I like combing dhs with critical build it can kill tank and squisy hero i use dhs and crit for every mm the build goes like boots demon (optional) berserkers fury windtalker scarlet phantom dhs wind chant (again optional) enjoy if u wanna try!
As Hanabi main, trust me! Attack speed is way more better in any kind of situation, remember in actual game there's a 5 enemies where there is always a tank and fighters. And keep in mind that nowadays fighters in meta are all using tanky builds. Anyways I have some of my clips where I used Hanabi and simply dominated the game using attack speed, I even got Savages, you might wanna check it.
I always prefer crit over hp percent. But for hanabi it's better to stay hell away from targets and use passive bouncing attacks to keep enemies slowed and away.
The problem with atk speed is that you have to stay in battle longer to get the same amount of damage one crit hit can do, as a mm your job is to poke from behind, not stay for longer periods
i actually went up against hanabi in classic, i used hababi ofcourse, he was using crit build and i was using attack speed.. 1v1 he usually wins but in team fights i think i was more viable for the team. the execution of her skills also really important.
With critical build, you'd have to buy 1 physical lifesteal item and Blade Despair for max damage. 5 slot already With ASPD build you can have more defense item and still hurt. You just need to avoid 1v1 situation
Well, for me, it's better to use critical builds if the tanky enemies doesn't really possess any threat to you, since we all know incredibly tanky enemies tends to be low on damage, and it's also better to use if there's a lot of squishy heroes on the enemy lineup, but attack speed build is incredibly better if there's a lot of tanky heroes that can put a threat to you, (example, belerick, badang, alpha, martis.) It cannot kill the squishy as fast as the crit build, but this focuses more on those tanky heroes that possess a threat to you more rather than the ones on the backlines, not to mention tanky heroes that can do this usually tend to go head on, they're not like the tanks that just guards the squishy so I think you can't basically do much if you're using the crit, as those will always have a higher on not being able to work on those types of heroes especially on high ranks.
Finally a video representation of why I build Crit and rarer for Aspd 🗿 Outside of what's seen here, the build really comes down both in team comps of the enemy and your own playstyle. As a skirmishing marksman and pretty good at it, I enjoy crit most often, while playing safe and precise, one should go Aspd.
I think that critical build is better because you can easily kill tank heroes if you can kill the squishy hero first or make them go back to their base. Because you also have teammates who can damage the tank or make it slow down.
Just get Corrosion and DHS, abuse her passive cause the bounces increase stacks. You can still build Scarlet Phantom and Berserkers Fury with a free slot for one defensive item, preferably Rose Gold since she cant be CCed when barrier is triggered.
what's the ideal build for Lesley in terms of passive? the critical or the first strike? first strike items: endless battle, heptaseas (penetration) - standard build, as they add damage when you cast a skill and is assassination build. critical boost: berserkers fury, DHS (percent damage) - not exactly sure about this build, but this helps her increase her damage output by boost. - you may combine all 4, but since I reached legend solo, I can't get any help from any ally so I went with sustain and cut-regen (RGMeteor and Halberd) for support if I feed. This means I got no opportunity to combine these build, I suggest you find a tank main. I usually go for first strike against enemies and the rest may be damage boost or movement speed (windtalker or BoD), but then I noticed that it won't work against tank heroes unless I add DHS or I boost critical damage for passive. I'd like a comparison.
You should try this Melissa build for burst dmg: Normal boots (early movement spd) Corrosion scythe Berserker Fury Scarlet Phantom Demon Hunter Sword WON/Rose Gold/ Athena Then sell the boots and buy more attack or def. With inspire at late game, you can burst squishy heroes and tanks due to the crit dmg and DHS passive.
I was so confused which build I should get, nowadays I combined both builds: My build is Boots, Corrosion Scythe, Windtalker, Berserker Fury, DHS/Wind of Nature, Malefic Roar. Situational Items: Rose Gold Meteor (swap with MR), Athena's Shield/Immortality
i think it's always atk speed over crit for hanabi and moskov. atk speed has better itemization than crit because swift crossbow is a really good 1st item and gives a lot of damage early and farming and taking objectives is also faster with the atk speed build because of dhs + golden staff combo which means you can get your items faster and take down the lord especially in the late game. atk speed build also gives lifesteal because of dhs meanwhile the crit build needs to build another lifesteal item in order to have sustain
Crit moskov is always better dmg wise, moskov aspd is just overkill paired with golden staff combo, the item isn't effective for him. The only consideration to use golden staff moskov is his passive cd reduction, golden staff also trigger moskov passive. But i personally don't find it that useful since his mana drains so fast, in actual combat it's good but in laning it's not
@@dentrm3960 moskov never has mana problems if ur a good player who knows how resource management works lo'. having lower cd on ur 1st and 2nd skill is great for peel and u can never die unless hit by hard cc because you can just always reposition. the fact that you're even saying that dhs golden staff corrosion scythe is bad on moskov because of mana issues tells me that you're not very good.
@@NDREI3000 u don't get what i said What good about golden moskov is the cdr, yet if you spam it to maximize the potential you'll run out of mana fast. Because that's the good thing of it, to reposition a lot. While crit moskov on the other hand have lot more dmg, well you don't need to reposition if the enemies is ded ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And Moskov do have mana problem bruh, especially after how his early game nerfed so hard. I buy 2 mana necklace and always have moskov's mana around half If your mana never low that means you're playing too safe lol
If the enemy is squishy with only one tank its better to go crit,,but if the enmy is tanky like tankcelot and a tank and tanky exp so go for trinity build
I always build corrosion scythe or dhs when I play with a mm and combine it with crit items and the last slot can be one defensive item according to the enemy teams composition
So this is my usual Hanabi build: If there's a Tank enemy: Swift boots, haas claws, s.phantom, demon hunter, sea halberd, BoD . If the game drags for too long I would sell Haas claws for WoN If there's no tank enemy Almost same build, just replace Demon Hunter with Bersekers fury. I sell the haas claws for WoN too if the game drags on for too long. Still lowrank here, so most of the times the second set of build is the most used coz yeah, in low rank its rare to see Tanks on both sides lol. . Thing about crit build is always hope that the crit would occur in a clash or potential encounter as it is a chance based type of damage
As a frequent Hanabi user, Trinity build is still effective against squishies if you trap them with your ult and hit them with your second skill. Also if the enemy is dumb enough to stay close together when attacking Hanabi, then they are just dead unless they can somehow sustain against your damage 💀
@@captainnyan-nyan2005 The difference Between them Trinity has Early Game advantage and Anti High HP(Tank, Fighter, Support) Crit has Burst Damage on Late Game and has Anti Squishy Enemy (MM, Mage, Assassin) But Trinity is used for Mm who "Extra Basic Atk" While Crit is Used for Mm who don't have "Extra Basic Atk Most of Mm used Trinity bc of Stupidly Thick HP Enemies and "Tank-Jungle"
In simple words, if enemy has tank, go trinity, if enemy has no tank go critical, trinity wins in most situations though, if they have more than one sustain hero go trinity, If they have only mm,mage and assassin, go critical If enemy is in lead go trinity If you focus on only pushing to trinity.
Hey i think the fact that we are using level 2 layla for the squishy hero would affect results. Even if she has no defence items, hp and defence would scale with level so max level layla with no items is better for that comparison.
You already noticed it but the critical build wasn't that different it was like 0.4 seconds difference at best. The attack speed build is still better since it can slow enemy heroes, also it will prevent you from dying to reflect damage
nowadays, i prefer the atk spd build cuz of the nowadays meta that usually have 3 tanks on team and usually all of them are wearing blade armor. the crit build kinda sucks when agsinst blade armor cuz the crit reduction and the return dmg
I saw why the crit lost due to wind chant use blade of despair instead it will drastically increase the damage of the crit of the crit build for hanabi with also weapon master emblem and all points on crit chance and crit damage even when tanky heroes its sull enought to kill them using crit
I use DHS and Corrosion Scythe with Berseker's fury and Scarlet Phantom...we don't attack tank unless there is team fight. Killing the damage dealer is more important and damage dealer are always squishy. So, critical build is still better for me
Attack speed lack of DMG, maybe adding debuff/DOT could be useful. Critical build lack of speed and defense, lifesteal/speed item could be good. I'm using the attack speed build combined with burn effect,kinda good as the stack from glowing wand is burning the enemy during the fight.
This would have been the ultimate test comparison if you had tested hanabi per item. 1st item vs 1st item then 2 items vs 2 items then so on. You just compared them for late game full build but early game build matters as well.
Best scenario for crit hanabi going against tanks is simply having demon hunter instead of wind chant or boots. I personally never use boots towards end game unless I'm roamer or jungle.
ATKSPD still dominates. You would want to 1. Clear waves and turrets faster so you could help in team fights 2. You would want to get as many free hits as you could 3. Current meta is mostly tank, like everyone is going tank. 4. As a late game mm, crit isn’t that impressive, pokes are very helpful tho. But that’s just me.
Just combine Corrosion Scythe with Crit Build, the enemies will find it hard to escape from the slow and the attack also crit consecutively. Squishies at the back are the main target anyway, ignore the tank at the front.
also dhs but no golden scythe
@@dy2ron793staff
I do that
Yes you can pick that but thats a bad idea overall cause you cant utilize any passive with that
Parang may nagsabi noon di gumagana crit pag may golden staff ka
Atk spd build is generally better after the revamp since the bounce on her basic atk deals on-hit effects. She also has a low phys atk compared to other MMs so her crits would be lower.
But this video proff crit build is better :/
@@doodoo7207 it depends on the enemy's lineup, but either way, i would still rather use the atk speed build
@@doodoo7207 It's just a very small difference between the two builds. You'd still wanna go for atk spd build since it has Corrosion Scythe, slower enemies means easier landing and more bounces.
@@doodoo7207 The video proves crit is better against squishies. If it's against a tanky hero like belerick or hylos with blade armor, hanabi crit is dead.
mentioning her low phys atk stat here without considering her bounces is kinda ?? both builds are still good it just depends on both teams' comps
Critical hanabi build is quite rare to find on matches and attack speed is much better base on situations and can gain lifesteal very fast on base enemies in sticking together or minions or creeps
And as her base dmg is pretty low. Even with full crit build her dmg isn't satisfying like moskov,natan or miya. Who can become quite scary.
Mine is a critical hanabi with attack speed , it deals lots of dmg
No Laylas were harmed during the making of this video
The simple answer for this is that it depends on which enemies you are up against. You need to have that Versatility as your main arsenal. You also need to be mindful of what they CAN DO and what they CANNOT DO. With that in mind, you know what TO DO and what NOT TO DO.
This will also work with ALL heroes. So with this you're one step closer to being better at playing the game. But most importantly, have fun! Cheers!
But then if I do run both builds and hot swap them at start depending on enemy heroes, which mm emblem combination would work best for both?
I just love this series, Elgin always has been one of our favourite MLBB content creator but with this he has elevated himself as the best out there
@@Goruden_4407 Its pretty awesome that you adjusts your comments differently after every new change.
@@Goruden_4407 in case you didn't know, Kimmy skill is not a bug, it is indeed a skill and it was intentended to be so, why?
So she can trigger ice-queen wand passive which is a core item for Kimmy.
Even Karina and old Aldous are not immune to Kimmy skill, however she can't trigger basic attack effects, like she can't push, she can't use feather of heaven, she can't use calamity reaper, etc...
Next update they may change magic lifesteal, which will make changing Kimmy passive from skill to basic attack a BIG nerf on her
Also your demands are too much, buffing Natalia with all these suggestions will immediately put her in ban section AGAIN
One or two little buffs should be ok though as she is not that good now indeed
Homestly, it doesn't matter which build you use on Hanabi since in the end it comes down to your own preference. What's important is actually knowing when you're strong or not.
A couple times, i met Crit Hanabi that fight too early even when she hasn't even built Berserker's Fury. On the other hand, given how common DHS trinity are, i'm still surprised that there are some Hanabi users that farm non-stop even after their DHS trinity is completed and her team needs her dmg
What really matter is knowing who your enemies are because your item will depends on them.
Noob MM will continue to farm even though their level and build already full
I believe the mix of both is pefect for Hanabi. With trinity she can deal lots of damage but the enemy can escape with low hp. Since she has no mobility she can't chase them. With crit it takes too long to scale and deal less damage to tanky. My build is Corrosion Scythe, DHS, Berserker Fury, Scarlet Phamtom, the rest can be adjustable
Yeah golden staff is a waste item, kinda~
Even with badang i don't build golden staff instead go for pen items and only demon hunter as a atk spd item.
Maybe but in terms of shear dps trinity build is much better even with low hp enemies since the trinity build hanabe can reach 450% plus atk especially with the golden staff passive of making every 2 basics 100% more atk spd so she can rewch 500 while crit with dhs corrosiion at best would only reach 300 which might not look that much but if you think about it.
In 2 sec span trinity hanabe can attack lets say 6 basic attack(representation) while the dhs corrsion crit build can only throw 3 to 4 it might not look much but the shear number of bouncing basic attack can melt almost any enemies (2 or more) also every individual bounce can activate the golden staff passive that give additional 100% atk spd that also activate atk effect for two times every 2 attack(every bounce count as 1 atttack)
I miss the old Hanabi with the free lifesteal. It was unique for a marksman so they shouldn't have removed it. I don't mind nerfing the damage of her second and ultimate just to get the free lifesteal back.
Agree, her free life steal allow her to build more items.
I think u can solve that with new talent next update
The bouncing attack on the new hanabi triggers lifesteal but old Hanabi don't
@@biteall8590 it won't be so unique now since all heroes can just activate that talent.
I can’t wait for new talents
Wow! The beat that starts at 2:28 got me vibin'
thing with golden staff is.. buying this item allows the attack speed to go BEYOND the 3.00 limit.. which normally impossible, so having green scythe with crit build mostly wasting the huge attack speed bonus from green scythe passive as it hits cap in one or two hits (is this how it is supposed to work??) i usually put windtalker into the build instead of malefic roar for the giggles, she attacks SO FAST with this build when she activates skill 1
For Hanabi, it doesn't really matter to be honest. Either way she's pretty good. My personal build is Crit Build but I replace Scarlet Phantom with DHS, and then sell the boots and buy either Corrosion or another Windtalker.
u don't need corrosion when u use mm emblem that has slow effect chance. it is useless.
@@xpumpkinx7387 Corrosion has the extra movement speed stat. Athough it's little, it's better if you want more damage output and still maintain mobility, since Windtalker doesn't have an extra Physical Attack stat.
Before her evamped, Hanabi is thr one helped me reached MG with 9 win-streak. I usually build DHS, Scarlet, Berserk, BoD, then the last item is depends to enemy heroes. If there's someone can burst me with high magic/physical damage, then either I buy Immo or Athena, but if the enemy has high DPS marksman, then WoN (Wind of Nature). Is not necessarily to build golden staff if you bought DHS.
The trinity build works if the enemies are dumb enough to stick together when facing against Hanabi.
If the enemies are smart enough to split up against Hanabi, the critical build would be a good choice.
By late game you kinda need to stick together or else you get picked off easily and remember turret dives and defense are a thing too
@@yof2210 And that's why Blacklist Int'l lost against Echo.
There is no match where players of atleast two would not be around each other and hanabe damage is much stronger with only 2 enemies so even if they only stick out with small number its still hard and obviously it is better to have atleast one that can reach her as fast a possible
I think it's better to use crits when it's a low health team and attack speed when it's more tanky
crit for squishies, trinity for tanky enemies.
Yeah but the problem is they have vengeance or that armor thingy
@@Ponya17 You mean blade armor?
One thing forgot about Hanabi: Which of these builds (ATS vs Crit) generates more shield (1st skill) while attacking?
@@alyasVictorio maybe crit cus it deals more damage but the trinity build is faster and it can also deal a lot of damage?
No wrong, trinity is for heroes that has double hit like Karrie or natan... critical is for single hit heroes
Oh I miss the scarlet phantom
Maybe do these test on other hero roles to like what is better in a mage full cdr build or full burst build?or comparing items to each other like what item is better cursed helmet or thunder belt cuz i think that would be interesting
Pls do natan magic build vs trinity build vs crit u know just to prefer attack
edit:imo attack speed is better cuz of the many usage it has like slow,hp base dmg,huge damage on squishies,and better damage in teamfight and can push turrets extremely fast.but that's just my opinion
I like combing dhs with critical build it can kill tank and squisy hero i use dhs and crit for every mm the build goes like
boots demon (optional)
berserkers fury
windtalker
scarlet phantom
dhs
wind chant (again optional)
enjoy if u wanna try!
As Hanabi main, trust me! Attack speed is way more better in any kind of situation, remember in actual game there's a 5 enemies where there is always a tank and fighters. And keep in mind that nowadays fighters in meta are all using tanky builds.
Anyways I have some of my clips where I used Hanabi and simply dominated the game using attack speed, I even got Savages, you might wanna check it.
self promotion done right
I acquired savage with critical build too....I simply use trinity build but instead of Golden Staff, I use Berserker's Fury.
One thing forgot about Hanabi: Which of these builds (ATS vs Crit) generates more shield (1st skill) while attacking?
I always prefer crit over hp percent. But for hanabi it's better to stay hell away from targets and use passive bouncing attacks to keep enemies slowed and away.
The problem with atk speed is that you have to stay in battle longer to get the same amount of damage one crit hit can do, as a mm your job is to poke from behind, not stay for longer periods
i actually went up against hanabi in classic, i used hababi ofcourse, he was using crit build and i was using attack speed.. 1v1 he usually wins but in team fights i think i was more viable for the team. the execution of her skills also really important.
With critical build, you'd have to buy 1 physical lifesteal item and Blade Despair for max damage. 5 slot already
With ASPD build you can have more defense item and still hurt. You just need to avoid 1v1 situation
This is more of a what if video since you can use either builds depending on your enemies
Well, for me, it's better to use critical builds if the tanky enemies doesn't really possess any threat to you, since we all know incredibly tanky enemies tends to be low on damage, and it's also better to use if there's a lot of squishy heroes on the enemy lineup, but attack speed build is incredibly better if there's a lot of tanky heroes that can put a threat to you, (example, belerick, badang, alpha, martis.) It cannot kill the squishy as fast as the crit build, but this focuses more on those tanky heroes that possess a threat to you more rather than the ones on the backlines, not to mention tanky heroes that can do this usually tend to go head on, they're not like the tanks that just guards the squishy so I think you can't basically do much if you're using the crit, as those will always have a higher on not being able to work on those types of heroes especially on high ranks.
Finally a video representation of why I build Crit and rarer for Aspd 🗿 Outside of what's seen here, the build really comes down both in team comps of the enemy and your own playstyle. As a skirmishing marksman and pretty good at it, I enjoy crit most often, while playing safe and precise, one should go Aspd.
I think that critical build is better because you can easily kill tank heroes if you can kill the squishy hero first or make them go back to their base. Because you also have teammates who can damage the tank or make it slow down.
One thing forgot about Hanabi: Which of these builds (ATS vs Crit) generates more shield (1st skill) while attacking?
@@alyasVictorio i think the critical build because the higher the damage the better the shield it generates.
Just get Corrosion and DHS, abuse her passive cause the bounces increase stacks. You can still build Scarlet Phantom and Berserkers Fury with a free slot for one defensive item, preferably Rose Gold since she cant be CCed when barrier is triggered.
next experiment please do it with melisa
Maybe combine both corrosion and DHS with the crit build? That should still be ideal for Hanabi.
2:09 the beat goes hard🔥🔥
I do trinity build all the time but when the enemies are all squishy,i use crit with dhs and corrosion scythe
No layla was harmed in making this video...
I combined the two without golden staff ofcourse and it worked pretty well for me.
Trinity build is the only way for her to not 'tickle' her enemies
First of all thank you for your hard work an time, next I would like to see a Miya test on items and build and emblem aswell
The benifit of attack spd is she trigger golden staff effect from pedal bounce,her dmg is really strong when there is target to bounce.
At this rate I'm going to combine the ATSD w/o staff & Crit build together
I find that this build works the best for Hanabi
Warrior boots, wind talker, demon hunter, berserker fury, sea halberd, malefic roar
Hmm, i sometimes do mix of both builds 🤣
Let's try to do some testing with only 3-4 core items. Because most of the team fight happens during these time.
what's the ideal build for Lesley in terms of passive? the critical or the first strike?
first strike items: endless battle, heptaseas (penetration)
- standard build, as they add damage when you cast a skill and is assassination build.
critical boost: berserkers fury, DHS (percent damage)
- not exactly sure about this build, but this helps her increase her damage output by boost.
- you may combine all 4, but since I reached legend solo, I can't get any help from any ally so I went with sustain and cut-regen (RGMeteor and Halberd) for support if I feed. This means I got no opportunity to combine these build, I suggest you find a tank main.
I usually go for first strike against enemies and the rest may be damage boost or movement speed (windtalker or BoD), but then I noticed that it won't work against tank heroes unless I add DHS or I boost critical damage for passive. I'd like a comparison.
You should try this Melissa build for burst dmg:
Normal boots (early movement spd)
Corrosion scythe
Berserker Fury
Scarlet Phantom
Demon Hunter Sword
WON/Rose Gold/ Athena
Then sell the boots and buy more attack or def.
With inspire at late game, you can burst squishy heroes and tanks due to the crit dmg and DHS passive.
I stumble upon this video but tnx for this vid tho. 👊😎
I was so confused which build I should get, nowadays I combined both builds:
My build is Boots, Corrosion Scythe, Windtalker, Berserker Fury, DHS/Wind of Nature, Malefic Roar.
Situational Items: Rose Gold Meteor (swap with MR), Athena's Shield/Immortality
Try Alpha or Ruby "PHYSICAL" VS. "TANK" BUILD
Quick comment:try changing the wind of nature with windtalker,youll see the true potential of DHS build
Even if Golden and DHS is nerfed, ASPD still a better option for mm who relly on Atk spd.
i think it's always atk speed over crit for hanabi and moskov. atk speed has better itemization than crit because swift crossbow is a really good 1st item and gives a lot of damage early and farming and taking objectives is also faster with the atk speed build because of dhs + golden staff combo which means you can get your items faster and take down the lord especially in the late game. atk speed build also gives lifesteal because of dhs meanwhile the crit build needs to build another lifesteal item in order to have sustain
Crit moskov is always better dmg wise, moskov aspd is just overkill paired with golden staff combo, the item isn't effective for him. The only consideration to use golden staff moskov is his passive cd reduction, golden staff also trigger moskov passive. But i personally don't find it that useful since his mana drains so fast, in actual combat it's good but in laning it's not
@@dentrm3960 moskov never has mana problems if ur a good player who knows how resource management works lo'. having lower cd on ur 1st and 2nd skill is great for peel and u can never die unless hit by hard cc because you can just always reposition. the fact that you're even saying that dhs golden staff corrosion scythe is bad on moskov because of mana issues tells me that you're not very good.
@@NDREI3000 u don't get what i said
What good about golden moskov is the cdr, yet if you spam it to maximize the potential you'll run out of mana fast. Because that's the good thing of it, to reposition a lot.
While crit moskov on the other hand have lot more dmg, well you don't need to reposition if the enemies is ded ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And Moskov do have mana problem bruh, especially after how his early game nerfed so hard. I buy 2 mana necklace and always have moskov's mana around half
If your mana never low that means you're playing too safe lol
@@dentrm3960 arent playing safe known to be a good trait of good mm players?
@@QtpieM yes, but you still want to give pressure to your counterpart. Except you're actually very weak early mm like claude
I always prefer critical if my hero basic atk is only 1 hit.... Or even if it doesn't... Cuz to kill tank you'll need dhs and critical can have dhs
Your critical build is wrong. U either go with demon or malegic roar. That a pure damage mm
what if critical build with dhs?
I need an update for hanabi as this is 1 year ago and the items got changed
I love how the thumbnail just straight up says Antisocial Personality Disorder
If the enemy is squishy with only one tank its better to go crit,,but if the enmy is tanky like tankcelot and a tank and tanky exp so go for trinity build
Argus can be a good test too with pure attack speed build or the crit damage build.
Someone literally asked this question on Reddit earlier today. Hanabi on trinity build or crit build.
Crit is fir heros with high damage like layla alu and lesly while atkspeed is for those with soecial type attack like claude hanabi and sun
How about thamuz next? Attack speed build vs Tanky spellvamp build?
Who else remember that hanabi's weapon used to glow when using 1st skill. But now only moonlit ninja that have it. It's a nerf.
I always build corrosion scythe or dhs when I play with a mm and combine it with crit items and the last slot can be one defensive item according to the enemy teams composition
So this is my usual Hanabi build:
If there's a Tank enemy:
Swift boots, haas claws, s.phantom, demon hunter, sea halberd, BoD
. If the game drags for too long I would sell Haas claws for WoN
If there's no tank enemy
Almost same build, just replace Demon Hunter with Bersekers fury.
I sell the haas claws for WoN too if the game drags on for too long.
Still lowrank here, so most of the times the second set of build is the most used coz yeah, in low rank its rare to see Tanks on both sides lol. .
Thing about crit build is always hope that the crit would occur in a clash or potential encounter as it is a chance based type of damage
As a frequent Hanabi user, Trinity build is still effective against squishies if you trap them with your ult and hit them with your second skill.
Also if the enemy is dumb enough to stay close together when attacking Hanabi, then they are just dead unless they can somehow sustain against your damage 💀
Then what's the point of the critical build if almost everyone uses the trinity build
@@captainnyan-nyan2005 For fun? Being different with others?
@@captainnyan-nyan2005Critical build is still good with other marksmans like Irithel, Layla, and Clint.
@@captainnyan-nyan2005 layla ,clint, bruno, lesley still use crit
@@captainnyan-nyan2005 The difference Between them
Trinity has Early Game advantage and Anti High HP(Tank, Fighter, Support)
Crit has Burst Damage on Late Game and has Anti Squishy Enemy (MM, Mage, Assassin)
But Trinity is used for Mm who "Extra Basic Atk"
While Crit is Used for Mm who don't have "Extra Basic Atk
Most of Mm used Trinity bc of Stupidly Thick HP Enemies and "Tank-Jungle"
crit build can be quite scary after u hit them with the 2nd skill
Do next with Beatrix but instead it would be trinity vs all damage
In simple words, if enemy has tank, go trinity, if enemy has no tank go critical, trinity wins in most situations though,
if they have more than one sustain hero go trinity,
If they have only mm,mage and assassin, go critical
If enemy is in lead go trinity
If you focus on only pushing to trinity.
Situational, attack speed build is recommended for Hanabi cuz of her passive ability.
Compare chou- one: bod, boh, warrior boot, hunter strike, malefic roar, endless battle. Two: endless battle, bod, warrior boots, brute force breast plate, immortality, (queens wings/ thunder belt/other def item)
next novaria enchanted talisman vs clock of destiny 🔥
You should've tested it with S2 since it increases bounce damage.
Note that Blade Armor also reduce Crit.dmg so the Atk.Spd build has the advantage.
But i think the additional damage of dhs and corrosion also get reflected
@@NAi2004 Yes, it's reflected but it's not reduced, that's why it kills tank faster.
Hey i think the fact that we are using level 2 layla for the squishy hero would affect results. Even if she has no defence items, hp and defence would scale with level so max level layla with no items is better for that comparison.
Maybe next time compare a hybrid. Crit plus DHS and Corrosion. Or maybe just Corrosion plus crit.
You already noticed it but the critical build wasn't that different it was like 0.4 seconds difference at best.
The attack speed build is still better since it can slow enemy heroes, also it will prevent you from dying to reflect damage
Gatot got Dash Buff on his Passive.
Next Video which is better Mage build vs Tank build.
Both. Both is good
Hey Elgin I'd like to see karrie with atk sped build and crit build or melissa
nowadays, i prefer the atk spd build cuz of the nowadays meta that usually have 3 tanks on team and usually all of them are wearing blade armor. the crit build kinda sucks when agsinst blade armor cuz the crit reduction and the return dmg
basically crit is for burst and short fights and atk spd is for prolonged fights.
No
Can you do Leslie next
I saw why the crit lost due to wind chant use blade of despair instead it will drastically increase the damage of the crit of the crit build for hanabi with also weapon master emblem and all points on crit chance and crit damage even when tanky heroes its sull enought to kill them using crit
I use DHS and Corrosion Scythe with Berseker's fury and Scarlet Phantom...we don't attack tank unless there is team fight. Killing the damage dealer is more important and damage dealer are always squishy. So, critical build is still better for me
Can you do Melissa next cause I don’t know if crit or speed build is greater
Can you do wanwan?❤
Attack speed lack of DMG, maybe adding debuff/DOT could be useful.
Critical build lack of speed and defense, lifesteal/speed item could be good.
I'm using the attack speed build combined with burn effect,kinda good as the stack from glowing wand is burning the enemy during the fight.
the effect from glowing wand can only be triggered by giving magic damage
@@eleh3 I didn't say I use full physical build am I? My bad,I have a magic damage item in my build
@@mioamirul4390 so what is your magic build then?
@@sysechobren nahh,I just buy Feather of Heaven... Haha 😂
For me. I never used boots, my build would be windtalker,corrosive scythe,demon hunter blade, golden staff, has claws and the last is situational.
This would have been the ultimate test comparison if you had tested hanabi per item. 1st item vs 1st item then 2 items vs 2 items then so on. You just compared them for late game full build but early game build matters as well.
Trinity would win without problem then and hanabi is a late game mm so....
Best scenario for crit hanabi going against tanks is simply having demon hunter instead of wind chant or boots. I personally never use boots towards end game unless I'm roamer or jungle.
next irithel then miya please
Could you do beatrix raw damage build vs beatrix attack speed?
Can you experiment Masha aspd and critical who is the best build on Masha pls
I don't use Windtalker. since mm emblem already has Crit chance, it is better to use haas claw/dhs instead of windtalker
if oponent is layla or lesley i think u should go for crit build
ATKSPD still dominates. You would want to 1. Clear waves and turrets faster so you could help in team fights 2. You would want to get as many free hits as you could 3. Current meta is mostly tank, like everyone is going tank. 4. As a late game mm, crit isn’t that impressive, pokes are very helpful tho. But that’s just me.
Do hanzo next attack speed vs dmg build
What about only only 1-3 items? That early game results might differ from what we get with full build
Try aspd zlong vs no aspd zlong
( no aspd zlong means no dhs,scarlet phantom,wind talker,etc)
Time number two asking for physical vs magic bane.