The 2025 Subaru WRX "tS" is a reminder you CAN'T HAVE a new WRX STi...
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
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SUBARU DEBUTS NEW PERFORMANCE-FOCUSED 2025 SUBARU WRX TS
First public appearance June 2 at Wicked Big Meet
Drive Mode Select with electronically controlled STI-tuned dampers
Full LCD digital gauge cluster display
Exclusive exterior and interior accents
High-performance Brembo® braking system featuring gold-colored calipers
19-inch wheels paired with Bridgestone® Potenza™ S007 tires
Standard Recaro® Ultrasuede™ front seats with blue accents
Standard EyeSight® Driver Assist Technology
Arrives at Subaru retailers first quarter of 2025
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It’s still insane to me they did all the development of the new STI and chose to NOT release it
Subaru is slowly becoming Mitsubishi
They've stated that it's due to EPA emissions standards which a true STI wouldn't be able to meet.
Man, I'm glad you noticed and I'm not the only one.
How in the hell did Subaru have fully built production-ready vehicle set to launch and just cancel it out of the random? That made zero sense.
They fell into the government's fuel economy trap, thinking they're building Hellcat and Demon engines.
I'm 100% sticking to my opinion. Some people say it's because they didn't/don't have an engine to succeed in the STI's place, which is BS.
All they had to do/have to do is take the FA24 motor, upgrade the liter displacement by .1L and turn it in a 2.5T and make it exclusive and only for the WRX STI and call it the FA25 (codename the FA258), the successor to the EJ25 (EJ257) and upgrade the hardware and internals of the engine and upgrade the turbocharger, upgrade the DSSD system and the current WRX manual transmission to STI duty with a short shifter STI kit and everything else could be touched along the way.
Subaru creeping up on $50,000 for a WRX tS would make it the most expensive WRX that is not an STI and I would rather trade in my 2017 Chevy SS Sedan for 2020 or 2021 WRX STI if I wanted to or better yet, I'd trade in my car for the brand Integra Type S at that price point over a WRX tS.
They should’ve gave the tS a power upgrade though, 300hp would be sweet
at that point is it not a full sti
320hp and Sti transmission and I’d pay 💰💰💰
@@paisleyplastic that would be the point. They're doing all this dancing around a full STi with all of these performance upgrades on just about everything EXCEPT the drivetrain and it just comes across as rubbing our noses in the fact we're not going to get a legit full fledged STi.
Dyno numbers indicate 300/290 at the crank
Digital screens/displays are great....until you're out of warranty, they fail and it costs $1400 to get a replacement screen - in order for your HVAC to work.
Digital Gauges were already on the WRX S4 overseas in Japan (BTW they get actual STI trim pieces over there) BUT THEY WAIT TILL NOW TO PUT THEM IN AMERICAS CARS?!?!?! They're Blue balling us more than their thin paint!
the back looks like a civic from a couple of generations ago
blue interior is beautiful, way more beautiful than the outside
I'm definitely keeping my 2019 STi that currently have 3k miles on it.
I have a 2020 STI but with 43k miles
@miguelc3033 When I bought my STi new, I had a secondary vehicle. I drove that most of the time. When I'm not driving it, it's sitting in the garage with a battery tender hooked up.
Holy shit and I thought I was the only one... 2020 with 5k miles.. Also because I daily another vehicle for work.
2021 Sti w/ only 3100! sleeps in my garage 😜
@@tonyr1615 whats the point of having a car if you don't drive it? maybe you could sell it later for a profit, but the space it takes up. the maintenance you have to do to it makes no sense. my opinion enjoy that car because life is too short.
If they released an STI with at least 400hp, rumble, dccd, etc… starting 55k I’d buy it.
I currently own a 21 STI I have owned a 11 STI in the past if I had to go out and get something brand new right here right now Elantra N all day long
Who could blame you?
I’d take a Golf R.. they were going for over msrp but you can get it in the mid $40k range, more power and you can actually drift it and not to mention all the features like heated and cooled seat
Too bad 2024 is the last year a manual will be available for the Golf R. Sad to see, I was surprised VW of all manufacturers give up on manuals already.
Honestly the ST is a really good idea I love how they give a lot of tribute to the older sti. However if we are spending 45 or 50 The price isn’t right I would just get a type r.
I think these TR/tS make more sense when you see an actual breakdown comparison with the GR Corolla. Savagegesse even said the TR isn't far apart from the GRC.
The Type-R is a beast, but even now dealers are still marking them up to 50k.
If the TR gets discounts I'm sure the tS will, and if you're trading in a Subaru you probably get even more knocked off the price tag.
The fact that they don't have a Big Brake kit as an available add on package..
Subaru sucks without STI
Not really. It's all about the wildness explorer trim level!
Back to old lady car days 😂 bring back Martina and Paul hogan commercials
Facts.
I liked selling the Subaru Impreza/WRX/STi line. A lot of buyers I met came in looking for the STi, but came away the WRX. The reason was when l created a actual monthly cost of ownership statement, including payments, insurance, fuel cost, and regular non-warranty maintenance, 3 out of 4 bought a WRX after test drives. I agreed. l bought a WRX myself and got GREAT resale. I think feedback from Sales drove that decision in 2021.
Just my personal observation.
So glad I bought my 2019 STI new before they discontinued them. I saw this today at the Wicked Big Meet. It’s pretty nice. Bucky Lasek and Travis Pastrana drove it in the track drifting it!!!!
Kirk, great video. 100% agree. This is a big money grab by Subaru. You can put better brakes, better tyres, but seriously it's the same sub standard 6 speed manual transmission that's no where near the quality of the previous gen Sti's.... Not worth it. If Subaru are serious about its performance and WRX Platform give us more HP... Give us the STI
considering civic si prices, the wrx base is such a good value and has all the practicality of a family sedan
And atleast the engineers made the VB an easy bolt on potential for relatively decent HP gains.
Kirk, Where is the hatch? Where is the Levorg WRX tS?🤔🤔
In other markets that isn't and won't ever be in North America.
Adding no additional power, engine mods or without upgrading the transmission as you said with rev matching and to be more sport tuned it makes no sense when you can get a Type R for $45K or a GR Corolla for sub $40K. I'd honestly even take a Civic Si over this and do a few upgrades and still undercut this by a mile.
Had the 2007 WRX & STI model. Real Enthusiast and Subaru Fam. It was fun adding power, now it's all disappointing. RIP Forever.
What are you talking about . Mod for mod this engine makes the most power out of any subaru engine. You have no clue what you are talking about.
@@dishonestpanda-1106He's referring to RIP to the STI because whenever the hybrid or fully EV STI (e-STI or STe) comes out, it will not have the representation of what the STI has always stood for and no one in the WRX nor STI communities is asking for an electric STI and Subaru will be wasting their time, money, resources, and R&D on bringing something to the market that no one is going to look at and Subaru will never get looked at the same ever again.
The sun going to fade out all that plastic in a couple years
I LOVE ANALOG GAUGES & feel extremely adverse to an all digital display. I don’t mind the addition of a digital heads up display but I grew up engrained with the original gauges and there is something about seeing those dials climb that speaks to my drivers SOUL.
For me it would be like if they suddenly expected you to tap a small touch display in the interior door handle to activate the locks and power windows …. HOW WRONG THAT WOULD FEEL!
I rode motorcycles with simple digital display which I liked and was extremely tech/computer oriented while growing up BUT I really think that when I’m driving I want a break from digital displays. For the record I’m fine with a large media center console but still prefer to interact with an actual button or knob for the basic controls like A/C & Fan.
I got my premium with the HK sound system for $35k. For $10k more this is giving us the big brembos, which can cost $6-8k aftermarket, the recaro seats, which would probably cost $2k if I i bought them from someone, adaptive dampers which you can't do yourself but comparing the GT to the limited SPT is around a $3k difference, and the limited features that my premium car doesn't get.
All in all it doesn't seem like a bad deal, especially with today's pricing for cars. Of course i do wish it had more power, but these cars do make a lot of power when tuned. And DCCD would've been nice.
It’s a bad deal compared to what else you can get for $40k-50K.
@@DM72513 Is it though? A type R is $45k but fwd only, a GR Corolla is a similar price and does have the adjustable LSD but it's a FWD based platform and a much much smaller vehicle. In my WRX I have fit 5 adults on a road trip which you can't do in the other two. Now add adjustable dampers and better brakes and I'd be feeling great
So sad to see we may not get another generation of WRX at the point.
If it comes to that, Subaru shot themselves. The WRX is an 80-85% take rate car, with mostly all of them being manual transmission. The WRX STI helped with that with 15-20% in those sales.
They should have never cancelled the WRX STI for this generation to begin with. Regardless if the EJ257 engine got retired, all Subaru had to do is let the STI Division do their job with the WRX's FA24 engine and let them upgrade the turbocharger and the engine displacement by .1L, the internals and hardware and make the FA24 and FA25 (codename it the FA258), the successor to the EJ25 (codenamed EJ257), and FA25 (FA258) would be more powerful than the EJ25 while still retaining that F4 boxer rumble with the STI catback exhaust and making a couple more STI special editions bringing back the Series Gray, the Type RA, making an S210, bringing back the Series.White, and making a Final Edition on this VB gen platform.
Subaru is too stupid for their own good that they fell into the government's fuel economy trap as if the government thinks these engines are Hellcats, Hellcat Redeyes, Demons, and Demon 170s.
I bought a 13 and 18 WRX limited new. I also had a STI. The WRX was a great value for those that didn't want to go quite as far as the STI. Without an STI, you can see they ballooned up the WRX top trim price and it's no longer the value of once was, both within the Subaru product line up and with competitors. Couple that lack of value with hanus looks, it's no wonder they can't get the remaining 2023s off the lots.
I have driven a few cars with those Digital "Analogue" gauges and honestly they look horrible. Their analogue version looks more realistic(cause it is) and it has proper 3d effect(again, cause it is 3d)
These digital clusters just look like someone put an ipad on the cluster
Yep, I will never get a car with a digital gauge cluster...unless I have an analog one ready to swap day one.
It was pretty cool to see Travis was ripping this thing around should have put a lsd rear differential but not for everyone glad it’s still in a manual
Cobb chip and sport cup 2 tires make it a MUCH more fun car! Air oil separator is worth considering too
Why couldnt the impreza rs get the 2.4T tuned for 350hp(its been done already)
How is literally at wicked Big meat yesterday Travis drove this thing out wound up going across the grass at one point makes it look effortless
I’ve been waiting on your take!!
I agree Kirk. Not exactly enticing. Hopefully subaru can allocate some more budget from their suvs to performance cars in the future.
So is this just a TR with some different accents and a new gauge cluster? Honestly I'd just like a trim with some real mechanical LSDs. Power, suspension and brakes can be done fairly easily in the aftermarket
how many trim levels does this car need?
All it was for the last gen was Base, Premium, and Limited on the WRX and then STI was also base, Premium, and Limited with the special editions being fully loaded Limiteds with added touches and adjustments to differentiate how they drove and handled.
Now, the current new gen WRX has Base, Premium, Limited, GT, TR and now tS, but there is no STI. 🤦🏽
Is that interior recaro color match?
Should have sti tower flex , front flex and rear flex stiffner bars for this ts
I like the WRX, but it's not the value proposition that it used to be. I paid $38,000 in 2018 for my 50th Anniversary WRX which was a stretch back then admittedly. For $40,000 and more the WRX should have the running gear from the STI... which is to say it should be an STI not a WRX.
I own a completely stock 2017 WRX STi. I still have never warmed up to the cheap, tacked on, vulgar plastic look of the current WRX. From directly had on, it looks OK, although with a little too much unpainted plastic along the bottom. But from every other angle this generation is just catastrophically fugly. Nonetheless, I’m glad Subaru continues to make the WRX, and hold out hope that one day the STI will be re-launched as a performance-oriented hybrid variant with radically cleaned up styling. I’d love to see Subaru commodify some of the hybrid drivetrain ideas that Porsche and McLaren have incorporated into their latest hybrid efforts.
I sure hope Subaru is already borrowing hybrid engine from Toyota and working on at least one performance AWD car. The crown hybrid is 340HP, I'll be happy with that.
It looks good in red....but nothing else.
At $45k i'd get the CTR at MSRP which is becoming more common in 2024. I'd probably even consider the 2025 Golf R even though it won't have a manual.
Those gauges are cluster something for sure!
It's a reminder that subaru is losing their minds with pricing....have we all forgotten a 2021 STI brand new was $38k! For $45k you can get a brand new Lexus IS 350 F Sport as well.
Subaru needs to do a bit more. I feel they’re getting lazy when they could be making this more exciting. And why not bring back the STI now that EVs are pushed back another 10yrs? Subaru wake up! Anyone can make AWD crossover but only you can make an STI WRX.
They are resting on their laurels thinking the WRX is all they need and they can sell without an STI and that is totally stupid on their end.
They most certainly need the STI and I don't care what they said 2 years ago. That was a PR move with them falling into the government's fuel economy trap.
BRING BACK THE HYPER BLUE, and black out the 19 inch wheels
And at least you will sell a few more with this package and colour !
@subaru
You should be available to do both of them, the old school and the new one. 🤔. Like the Mustang.
STI require new engine / transmission for this car, it takes more time to make this car more great. They didn't go the route of building a car with a 2.5l engine and a stick shift, otherwise we'd end up with something with the STI label on it. They can go to BMW and take 3.0 liter engine like it on toyota supra, but i think they have another toughs. I'm guessing that working on some kind of hybrid solution (like the new 911) might disappoint the old school guys, but we might get more torque.
While this time they are keeping updated this model, like bring new breaks and other minor changes, to have more resources doing something new.
Auto rev matching is not a expected standard The TRANSMISSION is the thing everybody wants. They could keep the extra power and honestly everything else. The STI transmission IS ALL they need to do to make folks happy. We can add brakes if we want.
The rest of the car is still good enuf for a dad friendly sports car which is why I just ordered a wrx Limited 2 months ago.
Party time!!!!!
also I’m guessing EV Sunday roundup is over Kirk?
Yeah. I can't get motivated to do it anymore haha.
If this is projected to cost 45-47k imagine if Subaru did come out with a STI for the VB chassis. How much would that go for??? Low to mid 50s?? It’s insane
I fear it's going to touch $50,000 and at that price point, there needs to be an STI, otherwise, this WRX generation and the WRX as a whole will be deemed on its very last ride in this market.
I’d take a Corolla GR over a tS, but I am happy that the WRX is soldiering on.
The question is, for how long? How long can the WRX soldier on without the STI? How long can the WRX soldier on going forward after this generation? How long will the WRX soldier on if there should no longer be a WRX for this market, but other markets continue with a WRX?
@@antoinelee-thomas9536 sounds like WRX sales are down so it’s hard to say. Hopefully Subaru doesn’t pull the plug on it, we need all the fun cars we can get.
@@michaelw6277There's plenty of room for a VB gen WRX STI to be in the enthusiast category:
Elantra N
GR Corolla
MK8/MK8.5 Golf R
FL5 Civic Type R
DE5 Integra Type S
There's no reason for a VB gen WRX STI not to exist and co-exist with other competition. Whether or not I'm a Subie fan or owner, I'm a manual transmission car enthusiast and the WRX STI deserves its place in the lineup of enthusiast cars.
Mate the Toyota bean counters have taken control of Subaru.
Audi money for a soob? I think not.
The newly released TR is $43 k, my question is the TS a replacement for the TR ? If it is I can’t see the TS costing $47 k ….
Yes. It is said that the TR is only going to be 1 model year and it is being replaced by the tS.
The GT also has a sunroof and CVT. Both of these features are upcharges. I think the tS will be the same price as the TR. And I respectfully disagree with the GRC and Type R comparisons. I would rather have a WRX over both of those even at the same price.
CRAZY HOW 2.1K FOR A STAGE 2 WRX THAT MAKES MORE POWER THAN A STAGE 2 STI WITH A COBB TUNE IS GETTING SO MUCH HATE. 27K + 3K FOR TUNING GETS YOU A 70K CAR KILLER
Subaru needs a Mitsubishi Evo XI to benchmark. I think they’re losing their way.
The only WRX that's worth it is the Premium. If you find a 2023 MY they're offering 0% APR.
I've got my Snickers and my Coke Zero and I'm buckled in !!! Let's go !!! Let's get straight to the point. I hate the so-called, "Eyesight Driver Assist Technology." It's code for, "Big Brother is spying on you and reporting to insurance companies." This will get worse, not better. Bureaucrats with nothing better to do will force all auto companies to install surveillance cameras inside of cars as standard under the ruse that's it's for your "safety." Yeah, right.
I also hate the digital cluster gauge. Give us back analog gauges. Sorry, Kirk, to be such a Debbie Downer today so let me finish on a bright note. I'd rather have a Peugeot 205 GTI Tolman Edition. 🔥
I wish they had done more for the Guage cluster. It's so plain
Analog gauges with small digital display for me
if you purchase one of these, bring it home on a trailer and immediately remove the oil pan and clean out the RTV.
Gauges should always be analog. You want the least amount of failure rate.
Analog all day, Mazda does it right for digital
5:09 analog gauges for me. sick of screens.
I think Subaru of Japan and Subaru of America are just milking this gen WRX without an STI because they're starting to regret cancelling the STI to begin with no matter what PR response they give the world.
Everybody was waiting for the WRX STI to come out for this generation and nobody in the WRX or STI communities asking for a hybrid or full electric STI because it won't be an STI and WILL NOT represent the WRX or WRX STI in the same sense a turbocharged F4 boxer engine rumble will do.
All Subaru has to do, more or less had to do was upgrade to a bigger turbocharger and the liter displacement of the FA24 engine +.1L and revamp all the internals and hardware to a 2.5T engine on the FA engine as the FA25 (and codename it the FA258 or sonething along those lines), the successor to the EJ25 and an FA25 would be exclusive to a/the new WRX STI only.
Nobody would've cared if the WRX STI had the exact same MPG as the WRX or if the STI got 1 MPG better in the city, highway, and combined. A 330hp and 320-325lb-ft tq WRX STI would still be good for business and there is plenty of room for the WRX STI to be in regardless if there is a GR Corolla and/or if Toyota owns 20% of Subaru. An Elantra N, a GR Corolla, a MK8/MK8.5 Golf R, the FL5 Civic Type R, and the DE5 Integra Type S all welcome the competition and would happily have the WRX STI back in the enthusiast lineup.
SUBARU! Enough of these silly trims of the WRX. STOP DELAYING THE INEVITABLE AND BRING BACK THE STI that you had fully built and production-ready!
It’s still a lot cheaper than a comparable Audi. I would just stick with a regular wrx though
I'd rather get a golf r with the manual than a ts
Charging way more money for features from 2021 (DCCD vs Adjustable Damper) with less performance is a scam.
WRX is the best, it's the daily driver in its segment.
why produce a “Ts” if you were gonna get rid of the WRX STi Subaru? mind you the styling is already a downgrade.
i'll just stick a wing on it and call it a sti
Starts at $43k
I’ll sell you my 07STi for 25k only has 84k miles on it…
All these new cars are way overpriced. They’ve gone completely off their rocker ever since the pandemic. It was an excuse to raise everything!
So true!
Exactly! But but "inflation". 🙄
Old school lol 😝
It's not truly torque vectoring; it's brake vectoring, which in my '22 causes all sorts of handling problems because it's so aggressive and unnatural. It causes the car's weight to go crazy. I usually drive with it off because it's so stupid. I wouldn't pay extra for the tS. It makes no sense. They need to stop the stupid nonsense and just release an STI or stop with the stupid gimmicks.
There 45k
JUNK 🤬 BUY A VW GTI INSTEAD 😮🇺🇲
What is going on with Subaru? The brand is falling behind so bad
Subaru is trolling their fans with every new trim.
Trolling or delaying the inevitable from bringing back what everybody is demanding they ask for from Subaru and Subaru not be on their PR BS and sneaky about bringing back the STI as a limited production run because that's what my hunch is when the mid-cycle refresh WRX comes out and Subaru bombshells the car news world that the STI comes back on the WRX's current gen platform, but they upset the STI community saying it's only a 1 or 2 model year run?
@@antoinelee-thomas9536 The only thing inevitable is them killing the WRX off entirely in a few years.
Nobody is buying new vehicles. Middle class is forever gone. Two types of class in US. Rich or poor.
They are gonna release an STI in 2027/28. Gonna be a hybrid with 400 hp lol. Don't know if they will make it with a 6 speed manual though.
Then that won't be a real STI. Hybrid? No STI. No manual? Definitely NOT a REAL STI.
They are still trying to sell people on their glory days of wrc that's long past . An irrelevant car ...
Elantra N better driver , WRX AWD advantage, TS overpriced so just find nd RType Honda
I'm not buying it.
I don't blame you. Subaru of Japan and Subaru of America are just delaying the inevitable with all these stupid trims of a standard WRX instead of giving what people have asked for in the last 2 years with this 3rd model year WRX that nobody asked for.
This is just bullshit. I think even impreza fans are tired of this overpriced wrx that sucks in everyway. Even the engine is crap. 2.4 turbo with 271 hp? Come on. The 2005 sti was 2.0 with 265 hp and that was ancient. Subaru is done
Some of this is right. But the FA24 is a great engine. Intake and a tune and you are at 320whp/wtrq+. To make under 425whp the FA24 of the VB is way cheaper to mod than the EJ257 from the STi. Now high HP and big $ builds EJ257 all day. Now the Tranmission that's a whole other story and cant compete with an STi transmission.
@chads7796 It can't be that hard to upgrade to a bigger turbocharger, but more importantly, upgrade the liter displacement to .1L to a 2.5T on the FA engine platform and upgrade all the internals and hardware and let the FA24 be an FA25 exclusively to the WRX STI and codename it the FA258 and it be the successor to the EJ257.
Why do we need to do all that and spend tons of money on an already overpriced wrx ($45.000). People need to protest and not buy the wrx and maybe they will understand that they need to give us a proper sti with 400 hp out of the box…… they are just lazy or too much focused on making money with the parts bin