Been a Mazda man for decades. We’ve heard of another rx7 for years to the point I’ll only believe it when I can order it. Rotary would great for hybrid in epa setup but that’s not what we want.
Yep!! I’m not entirely sure who approves or declines decisions made at Mazda, but they need fired immediately tbh. I’m positive they put too much unnecessary time, energy, and money into the CX-70 when all they needed to do was… nothing. Just make a two row variant of the CX-90 and boom, done. They could’ve taken all of that time, energy, and money and put it towards oh I don’t know, maybe a new Mazda 3, or a new RX-7, or and new Mazda 6 that a huge majority of the Mazda fandom has been begging for for years now! They get so much right up until the last second and then fumble the bag out of nowhere for no apparent reason at all.
@@reecebower9934nobody uses "Mk" designations for Rx7s. We use chassis codes fb,FC,FD. In 15 years of the rotary community I've never heard or seen anybody call an FC a mk2.
Dct is the way to go if you want decent power usable daily. H gated manual on high powered engine and short first gears will just destroy your clutch on traffic crawls. Also 6 speed is pretty much inadequate now if you want efficiency and fast acceleration. Good luck applying anything over 6 gears on an H gate lol
With the 3 electric motors + rotary engine... I'd plan for a lot more than 55k. Nice looking car, but feels like they're trying to do too much imo. A little car like this, I'd rather have no torque vectoring and enjoy the dynamics of RWD.
55k before mark ups, maybe. A well optioned RF MX-5 gt will go for $45k+ at a dealer. Id suspect dealers will charge 80k+. Similar to the 400Z and i6 mk5 Supra.
350 hp is definitely believable. The engine is about 24% larger at 1.6L as opposed to the last 1.3L. That Renesis engine made 238hp from 1.3L 20 years ago. Even assuming no advancement and the same output per liter, that would equate to about 295hp. Add to that small electric motors and I believe 350 is not a problem achieving. At just under 3000lbs, it would also be right on target with previous RX-7s competing with Nissan Z and Toyota Supras with less power, but equal performance and a lighter, more sports car feel and handling.
You DO realize that Mazda got sued over there horsepower claim for the RX-8 shortly after it debuted? The dyno numbers were averaging 175hp. That’s not to say that these figures are unrealistic/unattainable. I’m just saying the way that you presented your logic seems to be ignorant based on what the RX8 produced/produces.
Despite of the popularity of CUVs, SUVs, and BEVs. JDM Sports Cars never quits in the future. S-FR, Cappuccino, Copen, Prelude, Next Gen MX5/Roadster, MR2, Celica, Next Gen GR86, LFA Successor, GR Starlet, Next Gen Silvia, Next RX Sports Car, and EV GTR.
@@mrgurulittle7000some global chief or something of Nissan said that they’re thinking about bringing back the Silvia, but it could be electric. It’s true.
350hp between 1.66l rotary and electric motor seems feasible. The Renesis (rx8) made 232hp as an NA 1.3l so the increased displacement plus the electric motor makes the 350hp estimate realistic. I doubt we see a turbo for this application but would welcome it :)
@@ReaversRespite yeah this is why I think they should do a 3 rotor with the new platform so 2.4L, more displacement and better balance means it won't have to try as hard to make decent power. I'd say it could make an easy 300 and with the electric motors it would be closer to the Nissan Z and Supra, around the 370-400 HP range.
I don't get it why they don't use the inline 6 cylinder engine that they have and turbo charge it,yea it's not a rotary but nobody would care if the car is fun and Mazda don't have any decent sports car anyway right now so that would fill the gap instead of this hybrid nonsense.
That would be awesome if they could bring a new RX-7 to market for $45k, especially considering that the 1995 RX-7 had an MSRP of $40k which is equivalent to $82k in today’s money.
@@ap774 Yeah that is what I was thinking for this level of performance. Folks got spoiled with used car prices and forget that the '90s legends were very expensive at the time. As long as it's easy to tune it should sell well. I wish they would sell two versions though, a pure ICE rotary hshift bare bones "tuner special" like the Sport trim of the Z for like $65k and a bonkers AWD performance hybrid halo car for $100k.
I will buy this car if it has two things: 1. MANUAL TRANSMISSION 2. Ditch the front motors (needless complexity/weight, just do what Porsche did with the new GTS hybrid)
No caveman manuals. I can't wait till it's not even considered an idea to put something so dumb in cars. Like begging for crank windows and a take deck
@@miketwotwentyme personally, the front of the rx vision screams to much KODO design and is not fluent enough to fit the rear. The pop-ups with the more rx-7 style rear would be a new interpretation of the fd. But in the end I hope they just put out something 😃
I want it to be fast and sporty, obviously the lower the price the better but I don't mind it being as expensive as the supra if it gives equal if not better performance
I cannot see this getting to market. BTW, I owned a 93 ttrx7. I needed a tailwind to get 14 MPG! It can only be efficient in a very narrow rev. range even today in I believe. May make sense if it runs a generator it is way too inefficient to run the rear wheels.
If it uses the rotary as a main power ICE and a manual transmission i will gladly buy it. They are Japan's premier sports car builder so i know it will be a well engineered, well handling car.
@@caniborrowapencil5160 Mine was tuned. that indeed added power to the wheels. that adds 0% to convert it into a sports car, however. Gaming the suspension helped a little bit, but at the end of the day , it’s still a front-heavy, FWD-biased, understeering , uhh…”beast”.
@@pushslice But what do you want from a Mazda ‘sports car’? You could buy a rotary and get max 100k before the engine blows and spend 10x the money to buy it (say an rx-7) and keep it running or a non-turbo mx-5 for the cornering that you can barely tune up at all. I know you can get stock turbo mx-5 but they’re rare af. I thought the Mazdaspeed 6 had decent handling for it being 4door sedan and on the straight with a good tune it’s faster and cheaper than mostly anything put out by Mazda that isn’t rotary. If you care about cornering so much buy an mx-5 but the speed6 will still smoke it on the straight.
@@caniborrowapencil5160 Yes . My current (2nd) rotary is my track car , and I’m now on my second MX5 (they’ve see the track too). They are wonderful to drive , and further , the chassis feedback /balance have allowed me to become a better driver over the years. I give them the right mods to make them optimized driving tools, but the mods don’t drive the car… the driver does. and these cars make the driver better. Also, don’t get me wrong the MS6 is not a bad car ; I am just pointing out its characteristics. The MS has been replaced by Audis and BMWs, which are also not sports cars, although they too certainly “ have performance”.
I don’t even care if this has a rotary or not (or if it’s an RX7 or RX7 or some similar name). I just love what Mazda is doing and I love my Mazda I have now. They could put in their V6 turbo or even be a hybrid and I would still like this car; it just looks so good in my opinion. The front reminds me of the old Ford GT90 concept car from the 90s(?), I just love it so much.
The proportions of the car look spot on. The head-on look is the best angle, but I wish the the lines around the side glass were a bit crisper rather than continuously turning.
Car will be RX-9, and engine is direct injected larger version of RX-8 at 1.6, formerly code name 16X. RX-8 1.3L made 230HP, 1.6L DI will make 300HP, and motors at 50HP with mostly torque to save gas in city, and ll boost the power more than battery can provide, not just exten range. Opposite of hybrid super cars that use electric battery to provide short boost.
@@Soravia The name RX-7 is iconic, like Corvette or Supra. It is significant! An RX-8 is not a continuation in a series other than having a rotary engine. We’ve had three generations of RX-7s so far and it’s time for a fourth.
@@themazdamanpoweredbymazmar2985 You had RX2's, 3's, 4's, an 5's with all of them being a different style of sporty car powered by a rotary engine. I would make sense to call this the RX-9 as this would be the first Rotary Hybrid Sports car. Hell they could end up calling it the Cosmo (maybe Cosmo SP or Cosmo RX) for all we know.
Pop up headlights would be nearly impossible due to pedestrian safety regulations. They'd have to do what I did for my friend and design a smooth sleeve that pops up over the headlights. I designed it in autoCad and sent it to a friend who used the design on a chevy prototype he was part of the design squad for. The engineers loved it, but the company heads in charge of the c8 corvette said it would be impossible to do at a production scale due to the complexity of the vacuum formed pop up covers and how the electric motor would have to pivot to allow them to move freely. There's a concept drawing of the c8 that had my pop ups. Neither of us work in the automotive design field any more because the companies only take shit ideas. Anything good they throw out immediately
That’s awesome if they bring that car back, one problem, the amount of motors you said this thing is gonna have sounds like a 60thousand dollar car in this current market
Kirk I love how particular you are when critiquing car design, I'm the same way and I feel like too many people slide that stuff under the rug. You're a man of culture
Wankel displacement works a bit different than on a regular piston engine. It's not just 1.66 liter, due to a different combustion cycle. The workable volume is twice that, so about 3.2 liters.
I hope it gets the swan doors. I love that feature. Low sports cars need it. Nothing worse than curbing your door on a high curb during a date or when taking a friend about in your sports car.
Nice still has some shape from old rx7.. the lines for the top of the vehicle are just adjusted a little though the bottom half is completely different..looks great❤
As someone who has owned 4 RX7s and is financially capable of purchasing one of these if they come out: if the engine doesnt drive the wheels directly im not interested.
I adore the Iconic SP. Absolutely sexy. I would like to see as few changes as possible for a production version. I don't want them to call it RX-7. You can reuse names, like Supra, for a reimagining, but not numbers (unless it's an evolution). It should be called RX-9, or something even more imaginitive. Pop-up headlights need a comeback. They're fun, and people miss them.
This is really exciting! I love the first gen RX-7's! I learned to drive in my mom's 79' and 85' first gens and I had an 84' myself years later that I had to sell before moving to Canada.
@@speedrider0101 Having driven both, I can say no it doesn't (not even close). The RX8 had uncomfortable amounts of chassis twist in the first gen that made the car unstable feeling when cornering in spirited driving. Although that was supposedly fixed later. It never felt as sporty as the RX7, especially considering the layout with the odd half backseat door. The RX7 interior was far more performance and driver focused. The RX7 (255bhp) had more bhp than the RX8 (232bhp). No disrespect, but did you drive, own or research either car before you made your statement or did you base it off what you heard in video games?
@@KaDuWinYou’re definitely wrong. Did you drive a rust belt 8 or did it have ruined subframe bushings or something? I own an 8 and have driven an FC and FD on two tracks, and the 8 is slightly more forgiving in corners. I track my 8 multiple weekends a month and every test driver and ride I give, people have glowing praise for the handling. The only modifications it has currently are braking and safety improvements, and reliability mods, such as a sohn adapter and a de-cat.
@@blutygergaming8789 You misspelled the phrase "I disagree." It was at a dealer when I drove the first gen. Btw I track too, the first gen had uncomfortable chassis twist for me. After 22 years of SCCA and EMRA events I'm well versed in feeling out a chassis and suspension. If the first gen had a strut bar or chassis brace added then it was not as bad. The 2nd gen was far improved over the first because Mazda did srength the chassis from what I read to address that issue from market feedback. Btw if you track your car, you probably put some kind of chassis or suspension brace which greatly changes any car's behavior so lets not pretend as though you're tracking a stock RX8.
honda and toyota used to pair hybrid vehicles to manuals all the time in the early days of mass market hybrids, the most recent example i can think of is the honda cr-z which is an incredible and hugely overlooked cool car
Don't be dismayed by good-byes. A farewell is necessary before you can meet again. And meeting again, after moments or lifetimes, is certain for those who are friends.
They burned oil by design, there was a dedicated pump to supply oil to the combustion chambers. Who cares if they burned oil anyway? The gt350 mustangs go through a quart every 1k miles and you don't see people crying about those.
Power density and fun. They make a lot of power for their size and weight. Rotary engines also need to be wrung out to high rpm to use the power and clean the carbon buildup.
Looks nice but I think what would have been a lot more fun is taking the FC and doing something similar to the Hyundai N Vision - a 3-rotor engine with an electric motor. I agree, Kirk - I think 350ps is a lofty estimate for a naturally aspirated twin-rotor.
400hp at 45k sounds sweet. dont pull the bs with option in get close to 60k like most - a deal killer. has to be less than the Supra to be "available" to all
I drove a friend's Series 2 RX-7 back in the early 80's. Coming off my Lotus Europa, l remember saying that the Gen 2 RX was the closest thing to the Europa's handling that you could afford to buy at that time. If this development happens, l'll be watching closely.
I worry that they will get this wrong if they do go ahead with it, if they are to make a 4th generation rx7 it needs to be light, RWD only and manual. I'm not sure the 1.6 even with the motors would cut it if it's meant to be a competitor with the likes of the Supra and Nissan Z. If this is an RX9 however, it would make more sense to make it a higher end car with the assist motors etc but then it need to be able to put out at least 400HP so I don't see why they can't do a 3 rotor hybrid since it's unlikely they will use a turbo setup.
I’ve had a 79 FB, 2 93 FDs and currently still have a 2007 RX-8. As much as I have enjoyed rotaries, the main appeal of these cars have been the overall balance. The rotary has been a big part of them, but I’d take a great sports car a little beefier than and MX-5 even without a rotary.
I'd prefer the mazda logo on the rear of the car. And maybe add 'mazda' in the bottom right corner of the trunk/bumper...? Another personal acknowledgement: I absolutely LOVE how the hood dramatically just disappears behind the front fender arches. Very functional and aesthetically pleasing. When I look at this car I see inspirations from Lotus and Ferrari. Makes me happy to see the growth Mazda has had in the States over the past couple of decades now.
350ps sounds about right from a 1.66L Rotary engine. The 1.3L makes about 200ps from decades ago. Tech improvements and the increased displacement would easily make up the extra 150hp. Nevermind the hybrid system on top. This car will be exciting if it comes out with 6MT!
3rd gen still looks better than 99% of cars on the road today. They should have just made some very slight mods to the old chassis and body and put a newer powerplant system in.
The Mazda name on the back looks good to me, it compliments the width of the rear nicely. Speaking of the rear they made it look worse in the final version, the concept looks like it does butt day at the gym but the final version looks like it skips that workout entirely.
If they build the RX-7 or RX-9, I hope they use a traditional large-size round, red-colored analog gauge and the RX-7 names instead of MAZDA in the rear end. Make Wing's open door, like Lambo and MaLaren, that others don't dare to do. Be different and extraordinary if they want to sell a sports car.
The car is looking really good, I like the return of the pop up headlights. Kinda sad that they've made it a 2 seater, not like the 2+2 it used to be. Even tho the back seats wouldnt be very useful, but more space + looks better
I sadly will (likely) never be in the market for a car like this. But man would I love to see people enjoying cars like these. Maybe this could additionally makes its way into a family sedan or wagon? One could only hope.
We absolutely do not want a hybrid rx7...we want a rotary....if it cannot be done because of emissions standards then forget about the whole thing...and just continue manufacturing parts for the old rx7 and rx8, and we promise to keep these cars alive.
YES! BRING BACK POP-UP HEADLIGHTS!!!! I really love the AWD electric/motor hybrid idea, as that is exactly my end goals for my BRZ using the ORBIS wheel hubs. I hate all electric cars, but I believe hybrid is the way. I don't need long distance for the electric part. 30 mile range would be great for around town, as I usually drive only about 4-5 miles a day where I live. Then to have traditional gas powered engine to be able to go long distances. Which in Texas, are really long distances. lol Keep the car in neutral, and drive on the eclectic front, then engage the engine when the batteries discharge, or for extra power. Also being able to shut off/disengage the front motors, and go full RWD would be great for some hooning fun.
I like the design of the RX-Vision concept a lot more, but I'd be happy to see a rotary come back either way. However, we've been teased so long, I won't believe anything until we see test mules
In the minute 7:16 when the engine show, the style of the engine look like the Renesis Engine Multi-Side Ports, so I believe maybe have near 350hp no touch the 400hp range. The size of that housing tell me is like to the 16X engine prototype.
My 1994 RX7 weighs about 2800 pounds with about 255 horsepower and it's a really fun car. My only complaints are lack of cargo space and emissions, it's pretty smelly compared to modern cars. A new RX7 weighing 3000 pounds with 350 hp would be great, especially if it does include front motors for regen and torque vectoring. Personally I would like to see some sort of plugin hybrid so I can drive 5 or 10 miles without needing to burn any gasoline, and I don't mind the idea of using the rotary as a range extender without it being connected to the wheels. But I agree with the others who said they aren't getting their hopes up until we can actually buy one.
The fender logo looks like a rotor. I approve Though the rear end looks a bit like they are trying to hard to look like a corvette. They should have tried to keep it looking like the late model 7's. I'm not a fan of that rear end. Front end does look mean though.
Been a Mazda man for decades. We’ve heard of another rx7 for years to the point I’ll only believe it when I can order it. Rotary would great for hybrid in epa setup but that’s not what we want.
Agreed. I want that new inline 6cyl + rear biased AWD in a sedan!
Yeah exactly, I’ve seen so many Mazda “rotary” concept cars that go nowhere that I no longer believe in any new RX rumors.
Yep!! I’m not entirely sure who approves or declines decisions made at Mazda, but they need fired immediately tbh. I’m positive they put too much unnecessary time, energy, and money into the CX-70 when all they needed to do was… nothing. Just make a two row variant of the CX-90 and boom, done. They could’ve taken all of that time, energy, and money and put it towards oh I don’t know, maybe a new Mazda 3, or a new RX-7, or and new Mazda 6 that a huge majority of the Mazda fandom has been begging for for years now! They get so much right up until the last second and then fumble the bag out of nowhere for no apparent reason at all.
@@user-xf5dj1up8g that’s about right. I really wanted the new turbo i6 but when it came down to it my wife bought a 24 cx5 turbo. Already proven tech.
@@EazybakeEvan for some reason YT deleted my comment. I’m still running my built Mazdaspeed 6 from 06 in my profile picture.
I like and preferr buttons over a screen.
You can work in fantastic tactile feel ala Japanese receivers of the 80's 🥰
@@aurorajones8481Japanese receivers of the 80s are button heaven. How all car interiors should be like imo.
Absolutely agreed!
get with the times old man
have you seen mazda 3 2016 generation? it uses a screen but with a very intuitive dial system, no touch screen, its very quick to navigate.
RX-9 would be more logical.
I agree, I'd prefer RX9. I get it, RX7 is so iconic but this is in a new generation. And it would follow the naming order of models
@@fidtrumpdump86 no you don't get it. Rx7 is the name of the car. The versions use the mk numbering system. The first rx7 is the rx7 mk1 etc.
@@reecebower9934nobody uses "Mk" designations for Rx7s. We use chassis codes fb,FC,FD. In 15 years of the rotary community I've never heard or seen anybody call an FC a mk2.
Agreed.
There were multiple generations of rx7 (FB,FC,FD) I think Rx7 would make sense the FE3S
Whoever are working at the design department of Mazda are absolutely *COOKING*
Yes cooking is not coming to America tho
The Breaking Bad crew.
cooking what?
Yeah but a professional chef ONLY cooks with GAS…… No electricity for me thanks!
Wtf are you talking about? 😂😂😂 it's euro styled trash
if they end up offering it with a 6 speed manual and rotary driven rear wheels, i'd be buying one asap
Dct is the way to go if you want decent power usable daily. H gated manual on high powered engine and short first gears will just destroy your clutch on traffic crawls. Also 6 speed is pretty much inadequate now if you want efficiency and fast acceleration. Good luck applying anything over 6 gears on an H gate lol
What makes 6 speeds "inadequate" for fast acceleration and efficiency?
Wait couple of years to see if the rotary is reliable
@@lncstr01 i dont think "efficiency and fast acceleration" is why they want a 6 speed
@@lncstr01 don’t care, user operated clutch is the way to go for any sports car
It'll be $55K+. But then again, $32K in the early '90s is about $65K today anyway.
With the 3 electric motors + rotary engine... I'd plan for a lot more than 55k.
Nice looking car, but feels like they're trying to do too much imo. A little car like this, I'd rather have no torque vectoring and enjoy the dynamics of RWD.
so about €92k in Europe 😃
@@amiesports yes 🤑
55k before mark ups, maybe. A well optioned RF MX-5 gt will go for $45k+ at a dealer.
Id suspect dealers will charge 80k+. Similar to the 400Z and i6 mk5 Supra.
Try 77k lol
This car is the therapeutic cure we need for today’s world. Zoom zoom!
My mom abhorred that ad because anytime it came on I would wake up just after her getting me to sleep. 🤣
@@djibrillesalako3765😂Can’t stop the inner passion.🤌
@@mrgurulittle7000 haha, yeah. Had her running through the house trying to shut off the TV.
missed the third zoom
@@ZrCorelxOops. We’re there three zooms?
Never clicked a notification so fast in my life. I NEED IT!
And by it being a “cheap” sports car hopefully it can be affordable, only down side is that since it has a rotary repair cost might be higher
350 hp is definitely believable. The engine is about 24% larger at 1.6L as opposed to the last 1.3L. That Renesis engine made 238hp from 1.3L 20 years ago. Even assuming no advancement and the same output per liter, that would equate to about 295hp. Add to that small electric motors and I believe 350 is not a problem achieving. At just under 3000lbs, it would also be right on target with previous RX-7s competing with Nissan Z and Toyota Supras with less power, but equal performance and a lighter, more sports car feel and handling.
Car looks awesome! Not excited about a rotary engine,longevity sucks!
Easy to get that kind of power with an electric motor.
@@petejansen7220 with the right maintenance, they're not too terrible
@@petejansen7220 get it with a warranty!
You DO realize that Mazda got sued over there horsepower claim for the RX-8 shortly after it debuted? The dyno numbers were averaging 175hp.
That’s not to say that these figures are unrealistic/unattainable. I’m just saying the way that you presented your logic seems to be ignorant based on what the RX8 produced/produces.
Despite of the popularity of CUVs, SUVs, and BEVs. JDM Sports Cars never quits in the future.
S-FR, Cappuccino, Copen, Prelude, Next Gen MX5/Roadster, MR2, Celica, Next Gen GR86, LFA Successor, GR Starlet, Next Gen Silvia, Next RX Sports Car, and EV GTR.
Wait, Silvia coming?! Tell me more!
*Integra Type S
@@mrgurulittle7000some global chief or something of Nissan said that they’re thinking about bringing back the Silvia, but it could be electric. It’s true.
@@faheemabbas3965Well well well, Sylvia would hit the right sport for Nissan. That’ll bring in some much needed hype.
@@mrgurulittle7000or they’ll fuck it up and it’ll be like mustang going from legend to ugly suv looking ev (mustang mach e)
350hp between 1.66l rotary and electric motor seems feasible. The Renesis (rx8) made 232hp as an NA 1.3l so the increased displacement plus the electric motor makes the 350hp estimate realistic. I doubt we see a turbo for this application but would welcome it :)
Turbo wont be that efficient for higher ranges due to how rotary works
@@lncstr01 true, but is the chamber geometry the same with the new displacement? Could surprise us 🤷🏻♂️
But would 350HP be adequate considering it will likely fetch 60K plus out the door?
@@ReaversRespite yeah this is why I think they should do a 3 rotor with the new platform so 2.4L, more displacement and better balance means it won't have to try as hard to make decent power. I'd say it could make an easy 300 and with the electric motors it would be closer to the Nissan Z and Supra, around the 370-400 HP range.
I don't get it why they don't use the inline 6 cylinder engine that they have and turbo charge it,yea it's not a rotary but nobody would care if the car is fun and Mazda don't have any decent sports car anyway right now so that would fill the gap instead of this hybrid nonsense.
That would be awesome if they could bring a new RX-7 to market for $45k, especially considering that the 1995 RX-7 had an MSRP of $40k which is equivalent to $82k in today’s money.
Its going to be a 70k car at least lol
They will, and it will be 90K after markups
The Miata is already 39k, so don’t think this would be 45k. Likely will be 65-75k range.
@@ap774 Yeah that is what I was thinking for this level of performance. Folks got spoiled with used car prices and forget that the '90s legends were very expensive at the time. As long as it's easy to tune it should sell well. I wish they would sell two versions though, a pure ICE rotary hshift bare bones "tuner special" like the Sport trim of the Z for like $65k and a bonkers AWD performance hybrid halo car for $100k.
@@anydaynow01the tuning scene will take years to figure out the ECU
I will buy this car if it has two things:
1. MANUAL TRANSMISSION
2. Ditch the front motors (needless complexity/weight, just do what Porsche did with the new GTS hybrid)
No caveman manuals. I can't wait till it's not even considered an idea to put something so dumb in cars. Like begging for crank windows and a take deck
@@219tochi3 The reason people also want manuals is because of drifting as a hobby. Stay with your automatic, we'll stay on ours.
Manual last longer, gos faster and is more light wight and cheaper@@219tochi3
@@chspg_alvis you can drift a single speed Hyundai N. Eradicate caveman manuals
@@chspg_alviswho says you can't drift an auto?
I'm sorry guys but my fd still has my heart. Timeless beauty.
I still track mine every single weekend. In Gran Turismo
I'm so jealous
I would love it if they took the rear of the Rx vision with the front of the iconic sp. This would be such a banger
I actually like the rx vision concept better than the iconic sp!
@@miketwotwentyme personally, the front of the rx vision screams to much KODO design and is not fluent enough to fit the rear. The pop-ups with the more rx-7 style rear would be a new interpretation of the fd.
But in the end I hope they just put out something 😃
Long live the rotary! Rotary would provide max fun and engagement even if a hybrid auto. Still hoping for a manual option.
Mazda has had an AWD sports car: the Group A rallying homologation special 323 GTX.
Mazdaspeed 6 was also awd
^^ I came here to say that, I always wanted one but the new Ford SHO came out.
But when the world needed it most, it returned.
Thats until the fire nation attacked
@@FiendishlyDelightedSefto til the electric nation attacked 💀
I'm cleaning out room next to my FB as I watch this..
I want it to be fast and sporty, obviously the lower the price the better but I don't mind it being as expensive as the supra if it gives equal if not better performance
as long as it has a 6 speed manual transmission i'm in!
frl and rwd 🤝🤝
I had a 93 gen 3 twin turbo rx7 and if they make this ,I'm definitely getting one... i just hope its not a hybrid
I going to guess it’s mostly electric with rotary to recharge it.
It's not hybrid it's EV and should not carry the rx7 badge
I can't stop looking at the design of this car. It's sleek and luxurious yet sporty too! I love Mazda's designs
I cannot see this getting to market. BTW, I owned a 93 ttrx7. I needed a tailwind to get 14 MPG! It can only be efficient in a very narrow rev. range even today in I believe. May make sense if it runs a generator it is way too inefficient to run the rear wheels.
If it uses the rotary as a main power ICE and a manual transmission i will gladly buy it. They are Japan's premier sports car builder so i know it will be a well engineered, well handling car.
making a rx9 with no 6 speed manual would be such a missed opportunity
Mazdaspeed6 was AWD, if you consider that a Mazda sports car
I had one. I definitely don’t.
@@pushsliceput a tune + bigger turbo on it and it’s a beast.
@@caniborrowapencil5160
Mine was tuned. that indeed added power to the wheels. that adds 0% to convert it into a sports car, however.
Gaming the suspension helped a little bit, but at the end of the day , it’s still a front-heavy, FWD-biased, understeering , uhh…”beast”.
@@pushslice But what do you want from a Mazda ‘sports car’? You could buy a rotary and get max 100k before the engine blows and spend 10x the money to buy it (say an rx-7) and keep it running or a non-turbo mx-5 for the cornering that you can barely tune up at all. I know you can get stock turbo mx-5 but they’re rare af.
I thought the Mazdaspeed 6 had decent handling for it being 4door sedan and on the straight with a good tune it’s faster and cheaper than mostly anything put out by Mazda that isn’t rotary. If you care about cornering so much buy an mx-5 but the speed6 will still smoke it on the straight.
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Yes .
My current (2nd) rotary is my track car , and I’m now on my second MX5 (they’ve see the track too).
They are wonderful to drive , and further , the chassis feedback /balance have allowed me to become a better driver over the years. I give them the right mods to make them optimized driving tools, but the mods don’t drive the car… the driver does. and these cars make the driver better.
Also, don’t get me wrong the MS6 is not a bad car ; I am just pointing out its characteristics. The MS has been replaced by Audis and BMWs, which are also not sports cars, although they too certainly “ have performance”.
I don’t even care if this has a rotary or not (or if it’s an RX7 or RX7 or some similar name). I just love what Mazda is doing and I love my Mazda I have now. They could put in their V6 turbo or even be a hybrid and I would still like this car; it just looks so good in my opinion. The front reminds me of the old Ford GT90 concept car from the 90s(?), I just love it so much.
Add a Mazda 6
With inline 6 or better yet a Coupe 6 with the inline 6.
The proportions of the car look spot on. The head-on look is the best angle, but I wish the the lines around the side glass were a bit crisper rather than continuously turning.
It should be called RX-9
Just picked up a 2024 Club BBR Softop 6 hours ago. It's pure bliss.
Mazda has some of the best chassis/driving cars. Looking forward to this RX
WOW, EV motor might fix the cold start of the rotary engine.
Been done with diesel generators for a long time. Air start
Car will be RX-9, and engine is direct injected larger version of RX-8 at 1.6, formerly code name 16X. RX-8 1.3L made 230HP, 1.6L DI will make 300HP, and motors at 50HP with mostly torque to save gas in city, and ll boost the power more than battery can provide, not just exten range. Opposite of hybrid super cars that use electric battery to provide short boost.
Why do you think it will be called RX-9?
@@themazdamanpoweredbymazmar2985 why not? Seen any maker go back on their numbers? Nissan didn't have 300Z. They just called it Z.
@@Soravia The name RX-7 is iconic, like Corvette or Supra. It is significant! An RX-8 is not a continuation in a series other than having a rotary engine. We’ve had three generations of RX-7s so far and it’s time for a fourth.
@@themazdamanpoweredbymazmar2985 You had RX2's, 3's, 4's, an 5's with all of them being a different style of sporty car powered by a rotary engine. I would make sense to call this the RX-9 as this would be the first Rotary Hybrid Sports car. Hell they could end up calling it the Cosmo (maybe Cosmo SP or Cosmo RX) for all we know.
Yes, RX-9, so couldn’t be a 7 !
Pop up headlights would be nearly impossible due to pedestrian safety regulations. They'd have to do what I did for my friend and design a smooth sleeve that pops up over the headlights. I designed it in autoCad and sent it to a friend who used the design on a chevy prototype he was part of the design squad for. The engineers loved it, but the company heads in charge of the c8 corvette said it would be impossible to do at a production scale due to the complexity of the vacuum formed pop up covers and how the electric motor would have to pivot to allow them to move freely.
There's a concept drawing of the c8 that had my pop ups.
Neither of us work in the automotive design field any more because the companies only take shit ideas. Anything good they throw out immediately
I’m so hyped on the can rn
Stunning design by Mazda. A great modern interpretation of the classic with some twist and a jdm sports car we all need.
That’s awesome if they bring that car back, one problem, the amount of motors you said this thing is gonna have sounds like a 60thousand dollar car in this current market
Thats same as the price of the rx7 in the 80s adjusted for inflation
Kirk I love how particular you are when critiquing car design, I'm the same way and I feel like too many people slide that stuff under the rug. You're a man of culture
They should just make more FD RX-7s
2:00 Mazda typed out like that looks clean, speak, and premium.
It has my vote.
With a Hybrid set up, I wonder if they could push 400+ hp out of the wankel.
The hybrid doesn’t work well with the renesis to start, both msp engines so I doubt it
Wankel displacement works a bit different than on a regular piston engine. It's not just 1.66 liter, due to a different combustion cycle. The workable volume is twice that, so about 3.2 liters.
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I hope it gets the swan doors. I love that feature. Low sports cars need it. Nothing worse than curbing your door on a high curb during a date or when taking a friend about in your sports car.
Mazda should just put a image of a rotary engine in the front entertainment screen and drop an inline 6 in the hood!
Nice still has some shape from old rx7.. the lines for the top of the vehicle are just adjusted a little though the bottom half is completely different..looks great❤
As someone who has owned 4 RX7s and is financially capable of purchasing one of these if they come out: if the engine doesnt drive the wheels directly im not interested.
I adore the Iconic SP. Absolutely sexy.
I would like to see as few changes as possible for a production version.
I don't want them to call it RX-7. You can reuse names, like Supra, for a reimagining, but not numbers (unless it's an evolution). It should be called RX-9, or something even more imaginitive.
Pop-up headlights need a comeback. They're fun, and people miss them.
Won't happen with the EPA as is.
Not so sure.
@@KirkKreifels Hope you are correct
With the chevron doctrine being thrown out by the supreme court, it could. Not a guarantee it will
*cries in european
EPA not likely to be around much longer. 😅
This is really exciting! I love the first gen RX-7's! I learned to drive in my mom's 79' and 85' first gens and I had an 84' myself years later that I had to sell before moving to Canada.
The RX8 never felt like a proper successor the RX7. Where as this looks like a direct descendant. Props to Mazda for getting this one right.
But the Rx8 feels way more comfortable and sporty on the road than any Rx7, plus it has more hp for an NA car and higher rpm
@@speedrider0101 Having driven both, I can say no it doesn't (not even close). The RX8 had uncomfortable amounts of chassis twist in the first gen that made the car unstable feeling when cornering in spirited driving. Although that was supposedly fixed later. It never felt as sporty as the RX7, especially considering the layout with the odd half backseat door. The RX7 interior was far more performance and driver focused. The RX7 (255bhp) had more bhp than the RX8 (232bhp).
No disrespect, but did you drive, own or research either car before you made your statement or did you base it off what you heard in video games?
@@speedrider0101 Rx8 felt like a mazda 6 which is a compliment to the mazda 6 imo. Brakes, steering and interior feel felt very related.
@@KaDuWinYou’re definitely wrong. Did you drive a rust belt 8 or did it have ruined subframe bushings or something? I own an 8 and have driven an FC and FD on two tracks, and the 8 is slightly more forgiving in corners. I track my 8 multiple weekends a month and every test driver and ride I give, people have glowing praise for the handling. The only modifications it has currently are braking and safety improvements, and reliability mods, such as a sohn adapter and a de-cat.
@@blutygergaming8789 You misspelled the phrase "I disagree." It was at a dealer when I drove the first gen. Btw I track too, the first gen had uncomfortable chassis twist for me. After 22 years of SCCA and EMRA events I'm well versed in feeling out a chassis and suspension. If the first gen had a strut bar or chassis brace added then it was not as bad. The 2nd gen was far improved over the first because Mazda did srength the chassis from what I read to address that issue from market feedback. Btw if you track your car, you probably put some kind of chassis or suspension brace which greatly changes any car's behavior so lets not pretend as though you're tracking a stock RX8.
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Make it RX9, leave the RX7 legacy be.
honda and toyota used to pair hybrid vehicles to manuals all the time in the early days of mass market hybrids, the most recent example i can think of is the honda cr-z which is an incredible and hugely overlooked cool car
Did they fix the apex seal issue?
Yes
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Kirk, The car looks great but as I recall, these Mazda rotary engines burned massive amounts of oil. I can't understand what the fuss is all about. 🤔
Apex seals…
They burned oil by design, there was a dedicated pump to supply oil to the combustion chambers. Who cares if they burned oil anyway? The gt350 mustangs go through a quart every 1k miles and you don't see people crying about those.
Power density and fun. They make a lot of power for their size and weight. Rotary engines also need to be wrung out to high rpm to use the power and clean the carbon buildup.
If an engine does not burn oil, it aint no fun!
Burning oil makes it very hard to meet emission standards.@@abracing199
I’d love to see a good RX car come back like a couple others. Would they call it the RX7 or RX9? I’m sold either way
Wow that’s beautiful. It reminds me of a cyberpunk aesthetic, I need it. Genuinely makes me happy just to look at this car.
Looks nice but I think what would have been a lot more fun is taking the FC and doing something similar to the Hyundai N Vision - a 3-rotor engine with an electric motor. I agree, Kirk - I think 350ps is a lofty estimate for a naturally aspirated twin-rotor.
400hp at 45k sounds sweet. dont pull the bs with option in get close to 60k like most - a deal killer.
has to be less than the Supra to be "available" to all
I drove a friend's Series 2 RX-7 back in the early 80's. Coming off my Lotus Europa, l remember saying that the Gen 2 RX was the closest thing to the Europa's handling that you could afford to buy at that time. If this development happens, l'll be watching closely.
I worry that they will get this wrong if they do go ahead with it, if they are to make a 4th generation rx7 it needs to be light, RWD only and manual. I'm not sure the 1.6 even with the motors would cut it if it's meant to be a competitor with the likes of the Supra and Nissan Z. If this is an RX9 however, it would make more sense to make it a higher end car with the assist motors etc but then it need to be able to put out at least 400HP so I don't see why they can't do a 3 rotor hybrid since it's unlikely they will use a turbo setup.
Who else needs to see a 2025 mazda rx8???? I really wait for that.
Please mazda, please
As an owner of a 2nd gen. Rx-7, this isn't difficult. This beauty will be the 4th gen. RX-7.
I’ve had a 79 FB, 2 93 FDs and currently still have a 2007 RX-8. As much as I have enjoyed rotaries, the main appeal of these cars have been the overall balance. The rotary has been a big part of them, but I’d take a great sports car a little beefier than and MX-5 even without a rotary.
Rotary is just too unreliable past 100k as cool as they are.
That shape. Wow.
I'd prefer the mazda logo on the rear of the car. And maybe add 'mazda' in the bottom right corner of the trunk/bumper...?
Another personal acknowledgement: I absolutely LOVE how the hood dramatically just disappears behind the front fender arches. Very functional and aesthetically pleasing. When I look at this car I see inspirations from Lotus and Ferrari. Makes me happy to see the growth Mazda has had in the States over the past couple of decades now.
350ps sounds about right from a 1.66L Rotary engine. The 1.3L makes about 200ps from decades ago. Tech improvements and the increased displacement would easily make up the extra 150hp. Nevermind the hybrid system on top. This car will be exciting if it comes out with 6MT!
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3rd gen still looks better than 99% of cars on the road today. They should have just made some very slight mods to the old chassis and body and put a newer powerplant system in.
The Mazda name on the back looks good to me, it compliments the width of the rear nicely. Speaking of the rear they made it look worse in the final version, the concept looks like it does butt day at the gym but the final version looks like it skips that workout entirely.
If they build the RX-7 or RX-9, I hope they use a traditional large-size round, red-colored analog gauge and the RX-7 names instead of MAZDA in the rear end. Make Wing's open door, like Lambo and MaLaren, that others don't dare to do. Be different and extraordinary if they want to sell a sports car.
This is so awesome! I can't wait for the car to come out so I can't afford it, like all of the other cool cars that come out.
The car is looking really good, I like the return of the pop up headlights. Kinda sad that they've made it a 2 seater, not like the 2+2 it used to be. Even tho the back seats wouldnt be very useful, but more space + looks better
Beautiful. Looks like a cross between a Lotus and Ferrari
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I sadly will (likely) never be in the market for a car like this. But man would I love to see people enjoying cars like these. Maybe this could additionally makes its way into a family sedan or wagon? One could only hope.
It really just looks like an nd3 with a rotary. Don’t get me wrong though, this thing is BEAUTIFUL
It reminds me of the Maserati Granturismo. Which is one of the prettiest cars ever built.
The foot feels the foot when it feels the ground.
the Typo on the rear wil do... btw I hope they're going with the physical button and knobs on the middle console.
We absolutely do not want a hybrid rx7...we want a rotary....if it cannot be done because of emissions standards then forget about the whole thing...and just continue manufacturing parts for the old rx7 and rx8, and we promise to keep these cars alive.
Im 17 and broke rn but i will make it my big goal to get this beauty when it comes out
YES! BRING BACK POP-UP HEADLIGHTS!!!! I really love the AWD electric/motor hybrid idea, as that is exactly my end goals for my BRZ using the ORBIS wheel hubs. I hate all electric cars, but I believe hybrid is the way. I don't need long distance for the electric part. 30 mile range would be great for around town, as I usually drive only about 4-5 miles a day where I live. Then to have traditional gas powered engine to be able to go long distances. Which in Texas, are really long distances. lol Keep the car in neutral, and drive on the eclectic front, then engage the engine when the batteries discharge, or for extra power. Also being able to shut off/disengage the front motors, and go full RWD would be great for some hooning fun.
The car on the cover looked unbelievably beautiful
Great coverage, also a quick note, looks like that front side badge is a nod to the rotary engine with it's shape.
I like the design of the RX-Vision concept a lot more, but I'd be happy to see a rotary come back either way. However, we've been teased so long, I won't believe anything until we see test mules
Mazda easily has one of the top 5 logos imo-- I would really hope we see the badge on the back.
They just filed a patent for a worse new one 😅
They should use the Efini logo
Looks really awesome. I hope they offer it without a whole bunch of tech that spys on you.
In the minute 7:16 when the engine show, the style of the engine look like the Renesis Engine Multi-Side Ports, so I believe maybe have near 350hp no touch the 400hp range. The size of that housing tell me is like to the 16X engine prototype.
My 1994 RX7 weighs about 2800 pounds with about 255 horsepower and it's a really fun car. My only complaints are lack of cargo space and emissions, it's pretty smelly compared to modern cars. A new RX7 weighing 3000 pounds with 350 hp would be great, especially if it does include front motors for regen and torque vectoring. Personally I would like to see some sort of plugin hybrid so I can drive 5 or 10 miles without needing to burn any gasoline, and I don't mind the idea of using the rotary as a range extender without it being connected to the wheels. But I agree with the others who said they aren't getting their hopes up until we can actually buy one.
The fender logo looks like a rotor.
I approve
Though the rear end looks a bit like they are trying to hard to look like a corvette. They should have tried to keep it looking like the late model 7's. I'm not a fan of that rear end. Front end does look mean though.
They'be been teasing a hybrid car for years. Basically an electric motor driven car with a tiny rotary engine as a back up generator.
IM GONNA BE A HONEST-glad I have a mint FD! NEVER BE REPRODUCED❤
Hopefully this car will come with a manual transmission option and won't be a hybrid. I dont want a rotary if its just designated to generator duty
Still waiting on a new Mazda 6 with the straight 6 motor and a manual.