What Xiaxue's Interview REALLY REVEALED About The NOC Saga | The Daily Ketchup Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Did Sylvia's interview with Xiaxue help her situation? Is Ryan the real villian behind this saga and does NOC have a future?
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00:00 Disclaimer and Intro
00:43 COVID Updates
01:50 New information after the previous video
03:07 Our thoughts about the video when it came out
04:20 Did our stand change from the previous episode?
07:29 What if Ryan's "bad deeds" came out first?
08:33 Why didn't Sylvia's supporters speak out for her?
10:14 Should she have done the video with Xiaxue?
13:59 Ryan and Sylvia's disputes about the company
15:40 What is the way out for NOC?
16:58 Sylvia mentioning the suicide (TW)
21:04 Mental health conversation
23:00 Sylvia not saying the truth?
25:00 Do you think she has changed after the whole thing?
26:05 Difference between Ryan and Sylvia's leaked stories
25:56 Ryan bringing NOC up better than Sylvia
30:20 Issue about Sylvia overworking staff
33:22 Namedropping in the video
33:38 Did Xiaxue's interview with Sylvia do more harm than good?
38:15 What would you tell Sylvia?
42:33 Is Sylvia taking the high road?
45:26 What happens to NOC next?
46:50 Using swear words at work and end thoughts
47:53 Workplace updates for 2022
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My first thought after watching XiaXue’s video is that I don’t want someone like Sylvia as my boss and I don’t want someone like Ryan as my husband NGL
of alternatively i want ryan as my boss and slyvia as my partner lol
Sylvia may be a horrible boss but Ryan is a horrible PERSON. He shouldve at least spoke up for Sylvia when she was getting accused of the BJ video and of cheating on Ryan... He went on to take the opportunity to praise himself.. Like what the
@@LittleStrawbirdy so a horrible boss is a good person?
@@LittleStrawbirdy Sylvia and Ryan has officially divorced; why he has to comment on the leaked video or doxed video? Xiaxue interview was for Sylvia to actually cry wolf TBH... not addressing the crux of the matter (toxic working environment)... how do one correlate Ryan allegedly cheating relate to toxic work environment at all...
@@yca4309 yeah that’s valid
Dan's words resonated with me so much!!!
"Everyone wants to be liked. if you want to be liked so much that you have an inability to correct someone's action then someone needs to step up, and when that person steps up you need to have the person's back."
That’s john’s words
This might be an unpopular comment, but I disagree with John Paul when he said Sylvia should address this issue privately to her mom only. If this saga is shown on tv in her hometown, I'm pretty sure neighbors and friends would be talking about it. Put yourself in Sylvia's mom shoes, how would u feel if people around u are gossiping about your daughter. Surely u will want a channel for ur daughter to explain things. Idk, just my own personal thought but I might be wrong.
I agree
Guys will never understand woman
@sage5 and the workplace issues is related to her own issues she is dealing within the company staff. She has also admitted to her wrong doings, she never said that she wasn’t wrong in the video and has apologised. The xx video imo is more of an explanation to her attitude than to mitigate from the problem.
@@PerfectNightHere I am a woman and I totally agree with Jon Paul. I am a counsellor and I’ve personally come across a handful people like Sylvia. And what she did now seem to successfully manipulated the audience. Not saying that you are wrong it’s just that you have no idea to what extend this type of people (like Sylvia) would try to lie to the public just to paint a good picture of herself. I’m not invalidating her feelings though but there are better ways that she could handle things.
@@user-gt6gu8cv6h I'm also a women and I would disagree because she actually kept things offline/private/quiet since the whole saga started - hence the Xiaxue vid states "Breaking the silence". And of course if what she said was true, then I can see why one of her few driving factors to come out(xx vid) is her mom's pressure. And parental pressure is no joke, we can tell from her pattern that shes very filial(She listens to her mom that she should support Ryan when he's down). She is being threatened by public opinion and commentators. I really do not think she did it for attention.
IMO I agree with what John Chua said, she could've hidden a few things, but her being filmed on video with no script of the questions or answers to prepare - being the rawest of and with herself. I honestly doubt she could've done things she wish she could control. We get what we get. I also don't think we should be generalizing types of women or men, because we're all different, even at a deeper level. If you're really a counsellor, you should never be biased. I hope we all learn a thing or two :)
*Only someone who has played BAD COP constantly in their life will know how Sylvia feels.*
- Being the face that delivers bad news
- Telling people they are incompetent
- Categorizing humans like they are chess pieces because of needing to advance a team or business
- Letting go of someone talented because they are unhappy about you
- Watching people you care for break down because of words you say but very necessary for their growth
- Experiencing no friends and no lunch buddies because everyone wants to talk behind your back without your presence
- Walking into the workplace and suddenly everyone becomes quiet or going to the pantry and noticing everyone there walking out
- Listening to complaints about you but not able to change your persona because there needs to be a disciplinarian at every workplace
- Fearing that despite putting on an iron-clad front and losing popularity, one day what you were holding on so tightly to may still crumble
- Constantly growing a thicker face so that even when others say you are fierce, you just acknowledge and smile
- Giving confidence to shareholders or customers or big bosses that you have got everything under control when you know no human can actually do that but you are _expected_ to provide that level of confidence nonetheless.
26:39 strongly disagree!
To everyone who says Ryan is a bad husband but at least did not bring his problems to work: he sent his favourite people home everyday instead of working on his marriage, he got inappropriately close to the talents, he also allegedly showed them favourtism and also undermined Sylvia's authority at work in front of everyone in their defense. Are you telling me that as a partner, you would not be biased against the person? I'm not saying that how Sylvia acted was okay, but to say that "at least Ryan's actions wasn't brought to work" is completely disregarding his role in all the toxic work problems. And to compare Sylvia's actions to "a boss that brought her personal problems to work" is also disregarding the fact that her personal problem (Ryan) was a work problem! Even objectively speaking, if you co-owned a company with anyone, and that person kept showing favourtism towards a staff who was not up to par and also gaslights you about this favouritsm, how do you deal with this as a co-owner?
Agree! People argue that Ryan's actions may not seem like much, but how many have considered the many years of build up of mental abuse that Sylvia had endured?
Its not to say that these justifies her actions. It just means that circumstances (in which Ryan had a huge part to play) drove Sylvia to act in a way she did.
I have never understood the hate/cancel for John’s or Dan’s POV. They are representing separate views and things that Singaporeans/general public may not be able to see. They explore different topics and I believe it’s a good way to expand on our own views and opinions before we make a decision about something :)
i feel that john and daniel provides a pretty mature and macro kind of understanding towards situations that many people arent able to picture or comprehend! and its great that they are able to stand strong on what they believe in even if other people may disagree, and i thoroughly respect that
If talents have an ulterior motive to leave the company without paying for breach of contracts. They have every reason to be motivated by a manipulator to cancel their boss. Just look at the timeline.
29th Jack Neo posted casting for his new movie,
30th allegations started
3rd SC resigned
by 8th all those talents who went for casting resigned
10th they went for casting as shown in their insta
Kind of stacked nicely.
I really like Dan, I feel like his opinions are genuine and come from a place of curiosity. He seems like a humble person who gives a lot of thought in the things he say. Jia you! The internet is a fucking scary place, your fear is justified but you did explain yourself well, don't worry too much! You didn't do anything wrong, it's your perspective.
Yeah totally, the internet is full of shallow minded people
@@getreal323 you should visit the deep web, I heard it’s full of deep minded people. You might enjoy your time over there
@@getreal323 yeah saint colin, you shouldn't even be here
LOL, yall need to film two more videos now cus of ryan's response and sgcickenrice reveal.
John and Dan are surprisingly wise. Both their insights have elevated this entire discussion to a more in-depth, holistic and humane level.
imo both ryan and sylvia were unprofessional. honestly, i feel like.. if ryan was not married or they didnt portray themselves as a happy and power couple, most people would have felt his extreme niceness as a little off. i also think that because ryan did it so openly (e.g. always saying how xxx is his favourite girl to the public), he kinda gets away with it and it became a norm to those around them. thats why most (if not all) talents did not feel anything was wrong with his actions even after the interview. but put yourself outside, i dont see how most would think that would be normal/healthy for any r/s.
as a husband, it seemed there were many instances he did not prioritise his marriage and would rather spend time outside than at home. instead of fetching everybody home, he could have easily booked a grab for them. on top of that, he cheated before (not saying he cant turn over a new leaf). but instead of assuring her by minimising any situations his wife would be uncomfortable with, he dismisses her concerns completely. imagine being told repeatedly by him over the years that he sees a girl only as a friend, and then finally admitting that he did have a crush on the very girl you were paranoid about after you guys have separated. not justifying sylvia's actions, but he cant say he has no part to play in this.
regardless, i hope she will reach out to those affected personally. i also hope ryan did not instigate the entire expose (whether directly/indirectly), because then it would really mean he meant to bring his ex-wife down completely and that's honestly quite scary considering they been through so much together before.
To be fair to Ryan, your wife isn't Sylvia. You may have a wonderful wife at home hence your marriage life experience is different and good. I don't think it was his intention at the beginning to alienate her.. probably at some point he just rather be with anyone than her cos she's toxic. Some people are really toxic to be around and they can be family too. So what then is the best way somtimes? Putting distance between yourself n that person..
@memcookie
Your comment reeks of BIASEDNESS against Ryan…
Sylvia say Ryan cheated does not mean he actually did cheat .
@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG I can see why you'd think that way since my comment is centered around Ryan. Anyway, I don't doubt that he's a nice person/friend. I am just pointing out how inappropriate his actions (which are pretty grey area) actually are when we put them into context.
As for Sylvia, I don't think there's much to be said; her unprofessionalism at work was undeniable and plain as day for everyone to see. Many has also already pointed out that even if she was playing bad cop, a bad cop does not mean you have to be toxic.
@@spiderjump he did admit that he cheated at least twice though, in his chats with Sylvia
I think yall a bit "too woke". I think the Suicide portion plays a very important part. Though XX could have put more warnings and disclaimers. Someone who keeps threatening suicide. Its very scary and emotionally draining. Her actions are not justified, but like Dan said. It makes you understand better. & the fact that his cousin is not on his side shows a lot. Similarly seeing his girlfriend ig posts. About how he never had such episodes. Ryan & Sylvia was a different era, he was a different person, failed businesses and no money. Now he is a different. Who he was then made who Sylvia is now. Regardless of the situation. The offline thing, should've been before sgcickenrice. If your boss is abusive, and there's other staff that support that stance, just go straight to MOM, why need to publicise and get public involved. Disagree w JP, Sylvia either way, had to do the interview. Is it planned on Ryan's part, potentially. The event of things happened one blow after another. Ryan, as a loving emotional husband he was at one point, while his wife was being dragged through the mud. He still reposted all his Ryan appreciation day etc. That's "uncharacteristic" to say the least to strengthen the public sentiment against Sylvia.
It was not her story to tell. She simply could have said there were personal circumstances that were mentally and emotionally draining instead of explicitly sharing a story that is not hers in the first place.
@@sarahxskies if she had said that, I could not imagine the public to support her statement as she was in a position where she NEEDED to prove that it wasn't such a one-sided thing. I get that it wasn't a good thing for her to be the one publicizing it but she HAD to if not nobody would be able to sympatise with her struggles
@@sarahxskies Ryan shared that about himself in NOC vids tho? His friends also knew about it, it's shown in her ss with a female ex friend. the ss are quite emotionally draining to even look at, I can't even finish reading it, much less put myself in her shoes. (10 years somemore....)
@LX
LOL… As if MOM is going to do shit about it… I support blowing this matter up so Nasty employers KNOWS that their time of bullying staffs and getting away with it is Coming to a head!
@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG if MOM don't do anything, you can sue. Based on guidelines of the workplace. Now if the company get blown up to the point of bankruptcy. How are these people gonna get paid. Lose lose situation. & there are way worse employers, especially foreign worker dormitory companies. How come nobody fighting for them, having maggots in their food and sleeping on the grass because they're scared to sleep in a room packed with people and get Covid. Truth of the matter, people only "care so much" because they're influencers.
Also, about not her story to tell. Best believe the public will be what so jialat cannot tell. Say la! Sure talk cock. Anyhow jiaowei. At the time she's public enemy number one. Literally anything she says, will be deconstructed and nitpicked. Also. If someone weaoponizes suicide as a form of manipulation, that person suppose to stay silent? Whether he did it intentionally or not. Meant to or not. It is very traumatising. Definitely can change a person. You never would want a person's death hanging on your conscience.
i feel like for this topic, the cast lacks a more feminine input to the saga.
Was she wrong? well probably yes , i believe there could be a lot of things or conducts that she had done that might not be correct. (for eg whether or not she should do the interview)
but imagine a girl sacrifice her life , her youth , her golden period( her 20s eh ) to build something with a guy , stuck with him thru thick and thin.
from the story that were portrayed and told , she chose him when he had nothing eh. poor af.(the guy propose summore) and she still chose to build a life with him.
and after 10 years,(oh sorry ah i prefer younger one) ended the marriage leaving her in her 30s , cheating sessions in between. and now trying to tarnish her reputation , robbing and stripping her bare from her lifetime achievements build she intended for them
and shes trying so harddd, to protect whats left of her sacrifice of her time and youth to someone that didnt even want her in the end.
how many 10 years does a girl have , if u cant fulfil yr marriage vows, at least dont hurt her like this.
for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death do us part
can u imagine saying such sacred vows to someone just to be a knife in the back 10 years later.
Why nobody address the cheating allegations regarding ryan
@@reinygurl
cause it isnt verified that it happened or not, but all we can say is that Sylvia was explaining her paranoia from the cheating history. But that is very long ago, it also didn't help that Ryan replied like sh!t (receipts from their whatsapp conversations from XX vid) whenever she addresses her paranoia to him. I believe he did emotionally cheat on Sylvia many many times, but did not physically cheat on her with them (at least he still has that dignity).
So even if there was emotional cheating involved, all Ryan's friends will just side and protect him because he kept his crushes to himself(and to Sylvia) so they themselves didn't even knew about it. Anyway, she didn't come out to scream to everyone that Ryan cheated too and to point fingers at him. She did it so to explain why she did the things she did. It actually doesn't really matter whether he did it or not, it only matters of what she thought thruout and thus resulting her bad behavior.
All of what you say still doesn't give her the right to treat people the way she has. I don't even need to know under what circumstances it was done under. If you were in her employees situation, how would you feel?
Amazing content as always ! Keep it up.
My opinion is, Ryan or Sylvia got infidelity issue it their own problem. Delaying pay and everything else affects other people.
Whoever flouted any law is the one I'm against.
Yes . I think Sylvia is in deep trouble . The leaked video showed her smiling when Ryan asked why she delay pay to talent. She did not deny to me means she must’ve delayed it and cannot deny , if I did not delay paying my staff and someone said I did i would deny it straight away.
I thought that sylvia’s interview explained a lot about why she became such a toxic boss but I can’t see how ryan’s infidelity in any way excuses her treatment of her employees, which seems highly unprofessional to me. The way she manages her finances also seems really questionable e.g. asking for sums to be deducted from Ryan’s account without permission and withholding pay. There is so much hate being thrown at the noc employees now and I’m just like….????
as for ryan's infidelity, i could imagine it in a situation where imagine your spouse is blatantly going out with hotter, younger women and now you know he has crushes on them and favours them. but now, they are in fact your colleagues and you have to work with them on the daily, create content and still treat your spouse as your husband while he still favours them over you, all in the same workplace. i cant imagine any sane person who would not go ape shit and turn nasty given the trash treatment faced against you. again not justification but as john said, an explanation
I think Sylvia is doing all these to get a higher rating for night owl cause she know that her rating has gone down after what Ryan has said about her she is also trying to save her own skin and reception she know that she can't afford to let her rating drop while Ryan rating has gone very high cause most people has ready decide to back Ryan up show him support
If every bosses keep changing their attitude because of personal issues at home like Sylvia, we as a worker will be in very deep trouble. Nowadays, our mental health has been depleted, adding more salt to the injury will not help.
Dan put the whole saga into one sentence: this has become a dysfunctional marriage that has bled into a business relationship; & that is really all what this has been. It isn't just personal issues anymore when the lines are so blurred. I really don't think this justifies anything & she should still be accountable but this toxic cancel culture is just too much. It's basically crucifying her in front of the entirety of Singapore. It just hurts to see how many people are affected in the entirety of this saga.
@@luxuryofsimplicity i agree with ur view. The whole situation is just blown up to public that actually in fact they can solve it internally (with lawyers), but in the end have to deal with the situation externally (public) also. To conclude, one might end up nothing or gain something, heavily, let the lawyers do their thing & hope it's case close, restore or change order & move on. This kind of internet exposés can't be bothered, unlike those unsolved murder cases, where actual innocent victims aren't getting their cases to a full closure to address to their families, that's even more tragic than this saga.
@@luxuryofsimplicity I have been on numerous situation being at the receiving end of bosses wrath because of their personal problems.
@@luxuryofsimplicity
Good, she deserves it. There need to be a shiny example because too many nasty employers in Singapore gets away with it EASILY.
My personal opinion:
*Disclaimer, I do not side with either Ryan or Sylvia
1. This video doesn't cover the entirety of the whole saga, I mean the perspective and thought that was brought out about the saga is just very specifically aim towards the Sylvia interview part (and by specific I mean mostly only talk about Sylvia being dodgy for using the Ryan suicidal attempt to address the issue of her being toxic and did not address the issue of toxic workplace)
2. You need to understand that some people wouldn't care much about the whole situation and did not have a whole understanding of the whole situation from beginning, and if you guys never talk about the whole saga (of course from beginning till present situation) and just talk about specific part, then those people will just take for granted that oh this whole saga is about her trying to give an excuse, covering herself etc. What XX did on her video was she explained the whole situation from the beginning and tried to cover as much as she can for every bits that was brought up by sgchickenrice (it all started from this anonymous account, and now the attention is on this account and the admin) and all the so-called talents of NOC (be it ex or present staff). People that watch XX video will then know the whole story
3. I agreed that she never address about the toxic workplace issue in the interview, but she did say that the authorities are already working with her to investigate this, so I think it's better that we leave it to the authorities and see what they have to say, and this is also why there is no need for her to address this on the video, because it's not for her to say (btw she admit that she is wrong for this and will try to be better, she did apologize, so I guess she deserved a chance to reflect on herself), even if she did say about this, I believe people will still condemn her anyway no matter how good her explanation is
4. 13:12 the guy (with cap) says Sylvia shouldn't resolve the issue in the public eye, which is exactly what Sylvia said during the XX interview she want to resolve all of these matters privately, but you need to understand that some allegations that was made to her publicly was very serious like the sex barter trade (which is not true), and you expect her to keep her mouth shut don't bother to explain, until she got into jail, then post a video sitting inside the jail clarifying and addressing the issue? She has a company to protect, because of this saga the company's reputation is also heavily affected, that is why she needs to clarify.15:33 agreed with what he said.
5. To the point of saying the interview with XX is pointless, I think you need to put yourself in her shoes, the internet attack you like crazy, sending you dead threats and everything as if you are the punching bag, at certain point will you not feel pain and try to stand up for yourself? The main issues are already being investigated by the authorities, but she went for the interview to clean up those wrong allegations made to her. So it's just like you are telling those people that get bullied no need stand up for themselves even if they are right, no point, useless?
6. 23:12 he needs to elaborate more which part he feels that Sylvia is not sincere or not being truthful and just want to gain sympathy, I don't know about you guys, but I feel that looking from the way Sylvia answer all the question that XX asked during the interview, as if she is unjustly accused and she has receipts so she is not afraid to answer, and not like want to beg for people's sympathy, but the way the guy said is that the whole interview she is not truthful and just want to gain sympathy, and the receipts doesn't even convince him at all, I feel it's scary because it's just like I am being bullied, then I have receipts and evidence of people bullying me but when I reveal it, people said I just want to gain sympathy
7. 24:36 yes everybody went through life, but a lot of times, when it is something related to emotional things, you cannot control one. Is not something that you can decide, especially when you are emotionally disrupted, you will only make decision when people around you said that you are a monster, then you choose whether you want to continue to be a monster or not, and when you choose to continue then that's when you really are on the wrong side. 26:40 I think Sylvia did mention in the interview she admit that she is wrong for behavior, so I don't think she is trying to use this as an excuse
8. 36:55 exactly like he said earlier I think Sylvia wants to just ignore all the hateful comments and attacks towards her (she mentioned in the interview with XX, she can take all the hate, she is ok), but because she doesn't want to let her parents worried for her and you know typical asian parents when things happen to their kids, they will keep bothering them unintentionally (and if you are in the midst of settling big issues, you will not want to get bothered by all these), that's why there is a need for her to stand up and talk about the issue. If not I think she will not even bother to attend the interview, instead busy settling those lawyer stuff. 38:17 tahan, can you tahan if you were her?
I think if based on the above, people will say I side on Sylvia, but this is what I perceive from the whole situation. People said that she addressing her personal issue is irrelevant and it should be focus on toxic workplace issue, but why the some of the allegations made to her were off-track. How is cheating those related to the main issue and when she tried to address that is irrelevant. The sgchikcenrice, baerendang said the motive was simple to bring up the awareness about the fair treatment to staff, etc, but execution is more like trying to destroy her entirely instead. I think there's more to say to the whole saga if want to say bits by bits (from head to toe), but just giving my opinion for the above discussion.
Yo I love you guys so much and like I have been waiting for this for so long
I’m quite surprised at Jonathan’s reasoning and his perspectives about the situation. It showed maturity and objectivity and he gave fresh insights to the issue. Quite different from when he was doing real talk.
JP on the other hand seems to be quite insistent with his perspectives and doesn’t seem to be able to see things from another pov.
I agree that if noc wants to rise back from this scandal, it is probably wise for them to try to settle their differences and work together. But after this whole fiasco, it is probably damn hard to do so. It is fair for her to go on xiaxue's interview. But i feel that her apology came in too late. I remember reading from the first few lines of the Blogspot, they said that they have tried to bring out the issues to S but their voices were not heard, therefore they decided to do an exposé on her. So if she were trying to become a better person, she should have made some amendments to her employees earlier on. The fact that almost all of them shared the same sentiment towards her means something. If she were to own up to her mistakes and apologize sooner, I'm sure things probably wouldn't have ended up the same way. I think she is only sorry after all of her wrongdoings were aired out. Not sure if she was truly sorry before.
i have another take on this actually, the ones that spoke out against her from what I know was mostly the ones who were closer with Ryan. I do understand that the way she was acting was very unprofessional but this is the thing about working with a spouse, the lines of professionalism and private life gets blurred and I've seen multiple people say that Sylvia was a bad boss however I must say Ryan was also just as bad as he played favoritism with the NOC's female talents and them being husband and wife at the time would obviously aggravate Sylvia therefore making her into someone she's not proud of. I've seen so much shit being thrown at Sylvia and people praising Ryan for being the best boss ever but I think they were both just as bad at being bosses from the information that we've gathered. Honestly I have to agree with the sentiment that Sylvia was a bad boss while Ryan was a bad husband.
Got apology meh
Great conversation! Supporting your work as always
This is a high EQ convo sia. Esp from John & Dan's aspect that they were covering. It came from a macro perspective rather than micro
No, John is clearly biased.
@@pokemonsr9 I'm talking about Johnathan chua though not John paul
i think one thing you all failed to mention is what is your reason for watching the XiaXue interview. From what i can infer, if you watch the video with the aim of understanding why she did those actions then you will feel sympathy for her and see her in a better light (John & Dan) . But if you watch the video wanting to find out if the allegations were true (Jon) , you will see her in a more negative light as she did not disprove her actions and only seem to be providing excuses for being unprofessional. Personally, I feel the same as Jon as i believe that Sylvia experiences fo not justify her actions so the video did not make it any better. Just my 2 cents
Pls don’t kill me
Well said.
Didnt think the namedropping was necessary but I think it was fair game for her to mention the suicide threats. Dealing with that kind of scare frequently can completely change you as a person because it can affect all your decisions. She definitely needs to be nicer to her employees but it's also understandable that at the end of the day she had to be the strict one because they both agreed on having the good cop/bad cop dynamic.
Jonathan's hair looks like a very expensive and good looking bicycle helmet. Love it.
Thank you for the mature and balanced take as usual 👍🏼
Hehe, I see you've fixed the camera issue >:D
Great episode as always!
Why are u guys not getting more subs!? I sincerely hope U guys can make it BIG soon!
Shoutout to Dan (and everyone else too) for the very nuanced take on this 🙌🙌🙌
the podcast we need but don't deserve! love the balance and differing opinions as always. also, john's maturity is evident from his take, dont @ me.
I love this long epi podcast! Please continue to upload long lengths podcast
End of the day, it boils down to this, IT IS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. Whether it is the internal issues of NOC or the personal r/s between Ryan and Sylvia.
With regards to Sylvia's role as a bad cop and Ryan's role as a good cop, I do recall that years ago they very clearly stated their respective roles as good cop/bad cop. So the question really should be, why is everyone surprised that Ryan has the better rep as compared to Sylvia when that setup in their roles was already laid out years ago.
WRT to the suicide issue, everyone likes to empathise and sympathise with the victim, but how many have sat down to look at the family and friends who have to manage the situation? How many have had to personally deal and manage it? It's easy to look at it as a 3rd party POV and make judgement calls, but hindsight is not fore sight. To say Ryan's issues affect only her and her issues affect everybody else is simplifying things. We many not like it or want to admit it, but his issues affect her and how she reacted, good or bad, was based on how his issues affected her.
It's also easy to say take a step back. But let's face it, the different generations look at this issue differently, it's easy to say why bother, you should know this industry. But Sylvia's mom is in M'sia and not in Singapore. Sylvia's reputation has been dragged into the mud, and it's on the news, maybe in HDB Singapore, where we don't really know our neighbours and the kampong spirit doesn't exist you can take the "don't give a damn attitude', after all how many of you actually know all the residents in your block? But in a place where everyone know everyone or knows someone who knows someone else in the area do you seriously think Sylvia's mom isn't going to get bombarded and peppered with questions and dirty looks?
But as stated, it is really none of our business. Everyone has a POV based on the limited knowledge and understanding of what is going on from an external view. But that's all it is. A POV based on limited knowledge and understanding.
Some would say it is unprofessional to have multiple crushes on your employees, and instead of trying to keep your distance, you continue to pursue them on the down low.
Jon is really observant. After re-watching Xiaxue video, then I realised she is not there to help out Sylvia. What wrong with Sylvia is that she never watch her back…
Doesnt matter. In the spur of the moment where you need a platform to address allegations quickly, xiaxue might have been the best option considering how large her platform is as well as her personal relationship with her
Speaking about mental health. I don’t think people talk enough about the mental health of carers. People who care for those who are struggling with mental health. It’s not easy and it takes a toll on them - it affects their mental health. Also, “Everybody goes through life but you choose if you want to become the monster.” I mean, to some extent there is truth that we have choices and we make choices… but I do feel like people fail to acknowledge that we all don’t have complete control of our emotions all the time - like mental health issues for example, people with anxiety and depression go through life, do they choose to be the monster when emotions engulf them and their actions? It’s really tough conversation but glad you guys are having it.
Love the balanced POV! Thanks for the podcast, Keep up the good work!
I really like the guy in grey. He is very objective and really tries to understand both views as well as commercial reality/ how it is running a business
I agree the part that Sylvia did not address the workplace issues, but only mentioned the reason how things were for her that led her to become a nasty boss - which is still not justifiable. I think why it sucks for Sylvia is because she work with her husband and her husband's love targets are the employees at work. Imagine seeing it on a daily basis at work it is hella annoying, and hatred can be built up from there. Because for normal bosses, their partner works somewhere else. They don't have to face each other 24/7. They are able to separate personal and work life. The same with normal companies, if you are a married couple, they would likely transfer you to another department for conflicts of interests and also unable to separate work and personal life. But for Sylvia, she can't possibly do that in the beginning as they are all still at the "startup stage". When many years passed then they finally establish that Sylvia is the outer faced boss and Ryan is the inner faced boss. Still, I wanna still say that it doesn't justify for late payments, employees going home late is a norm without being compensated fairly. Sylvia is accountable for that as she's the person in-charge of employees welfare. But on a personal lvl, I understand how she became the monster she did not recognise anymore. In sum, Sylvia is a ??? boss, rude and nasty, and if I was the employee, I would hate her so much and use voodoo doll to curse her. Jokes aside, I would eventually leave the company since is not doing well for me mentally. And also complain to MOM about why am i not being paid on time and why i'm not compensated fairly. On the part of forcing employees to stay late, hey, this works like managing events. Some periods are busy and some periods are not that busy. And if you signed up for it in your employment contract, then don't say you are not warned about it? Of course provided that you are compensated for OT la. If you don't get OT pay, just report to MOM about it.
you are assuming Sylvia is telling the truth.
Who else was here when they uploaded it the first time AND had ur video stopped bc they took it down :”
Good to hear everyone's POV. Only thing was it didn't include Ryan's recent response, which came out before filming
After watching Xiaxue's video and perusing the “screenshots receipt”, I think Sylvia has been unfairly maligned. Her accusers said that she creates a toxic work environment and abuses her employees..But this has never been a secret. Even as far back as six years ago in the video “Ryan & Sylvia: The Weird Couple,” people who know them openly said that Sylvia is the bossy one while Ryan is the emo and whiny one. Besides, her bossiness is not uncommon in the workplace.
Without her straightening out NOC ship every now and then, I don’t think NOC will survive. We could see this from other youtube channels in Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia with the same business line as NOC…So far, only NOC, JianHao Tan, and Wah Banana survived with one key difference, Wah Banana is part of Garena, a subsidiary of one of the largest tech conglomerates in Asia: Sea Limited. The other channels were either on hiatus or never reached the peak of their past audiences. No other independent channels but NOC and JianHao Tan survived this day, Sylvia's leadership in NOC should be applauded and not criticized. It is not easy running a business.
Can Ryan as the self-proclaimed “artistic” one could have done it given that his records of failure with his business venture, love life, and others? I don't think so. It remains to be seen if he could maintain his new Lor Mee shop afloat given his track records of failures and tendencies to run away and close shop when things go awry. We should remember that Ryan holds 49% of ownership in NOC and he is the director of NOC, so he also bears the responsibility of the toxic culture at the NOC as well.
In their “divorce announcement” video, Ryan acknowledged that Sylvia is first and foremost will always protect her loved one. Based on this, I could see how she perceived NOC as her surrogate family to be protected. It is also quite reasonable for her to be manipulated by Ryan’s tendencies to whine and seek approval or love from other people who from time to time declare his intention to kill himself. On the other hand, I could also see how to she could feel betrayed by Ryan having an affair with a waitress and felt uncomfortable with his “closeness” with NOC’s female talents.
If Ryan is truly a good person, his wife's feelings should take precedence. Even if he meant well and don't have any funny intention toward NOC female talents, he would be wise to not create a situation that could sadden Sylvia or make her insecure. Besides, it’s not like Sylvia’s jealousy has no ground. In the past, Ryan did have an affair and his alibi would be acting the role of a "good boss" taking his employee cum mistress home and he admitted to having a crush on some of the female talents.
I hope NOC could survive, but I think this is the beginning of the end for NOC. Even prior to their “divorce announcement” I only open NOC channel for their food kings videos. Their sketch videos are kinda boring now. Their new segment the Reno Kings is good, but definitely not good enough for me to tune in every now and then to watch a new episode. Now with Dee Kosh and Ryan-Sylvia's fiasco, I cannot imagine how they could survive unless Ryan and Sylvia settled their differences and agree to run NOC as true business partners instead of a scorned ex-couple.
Whatever she goes through in her personal life, however she feels the need to "protect" Ryan, it does NOT justify her disgraceful actions. You can be the bad cop without degrading anyone. If the employee does not perform up to expectations, you can choose to terminate him/her but when you start calling them degradatory names, that line of professionalism and human decency has been breached.
You using this scandal to practise writing for your GP ah?
I think saying she was UNFAIRLY maligned is a bit of a stretch. Sylvia's incompetencies as a CEO were due to her own personal character flaws or simply lacking the skills to execute her roles and had nothing to do with Ryan or anyone else. Why can't people understand that maybe Sylvia just isn't fit for a top management role?
- Not paying her employees on time (an offence under the Employment Act)
- Making them work inhumane hours (I understand crunch time and meeting tight deadlines but making people stay till 4am makes you wonder how exactly they plan their time or spread their resources)
- Not being able to keep her own feelings in check and letting her emotions affect her work performance (lacks professionalism)
- Not being punctual for meetings and shoots multiple times (simply inexcusable)
- Not taking criticism and feedback from her peers seriously (inflated sense of pride, ego)
- No sense of accountability as the CEO and blame-pushing instead of coming up with solutions (major character flaw, lacks maturity)
- Mental health ambassador but doesn't know how to filter her words about sensitive topics (this is common sense please)
- Had no legitimate respect or confidence from her own employees (poor leadership qualities or genuine people skills, her on screen persona was purely acting, didn't translate back to the workplace)
- Compulsive liar and very manipulative (as you can tell from her initial apology on ig and then her interview with XX)
These are all HER problems. She lacks the humility to listen to people below her and take the advice given to her to work on her shortcomings. Instead she continues to let her pride and ego consume her thinking, treating feedback as personal attacks (lmao what?). She may not be solely responsible for NOC's plunge but she is far, far from innocent.
@@jasonchua9112 it most definitely isnt a justification, but at the very least an explanation, similar to what john had said. if you know all of what is happening to sylvia thats is done by ryan, through cheating on you with your colleagues, knowing that you have to thread a thin line to prevent your partner from committing suicide, to running a massive business where peoples livelihoods are on the line, what do you think a person would do? given any person, and not specific or only to sylvia. sure there will be some good and incredibly pure hearted people out there that can tahan and endure the suffering alone. but most out there will lash out in nasty behaviour in one way or another. everyone is human and after dealing with such treatment dont say that they should suck it up and act like a saint
@@hellothere6730 How do you justify her lashing out on specific individuals in a group chat? On what grounds is there a need to publicly shame people regardless of their work performance? I'm sure you can agree there are MUCH BETTER ways she could've handled employees who weren't pulling their own weight.
- 1-on-1 behind closed doors.
- Ask the person what he/she is struggling with? Do you understand your assignment? What are some of your doubts?
- Is the workload too overbearing? Should I get another person to help you with this task?
- Is everything okay at home? Are you going through personal hardship outside of work that's affecting your performance in the office?
- Do you need some time off?
- Do you have other tasks that have higher priority? Should I assign this to someone else?
- Is the deadline too soon? Should we ask for an extension?
Not only is it embarassing to the person being targetted, the entire team will feel the shame which brings down the team's collective morale and spirits. This is not a concept that they teach you in graduate school leh, this is basic human decency and professionalism. This is common sense. When you sit on top, people look to you for confidence and as a role model. When you belittle those below you in front of everyone else, you immediately lose that ounce of respect from your peers that can take years to rebuild. For Sylvia's case, it takes a lot more effort on her part to be rude and demeaning than to simply be a decent person who has some sense of what real professionalism looks like.
Loved the "In life we all go through this, either we become the bigger person or we become the monster"
I even got a male ex class mate where his gf threatened if he break up with her, she will go his house to commit suicide or jump down from his office building.
Outsiders hear already may say why even fear but to the party involved n in the relationship.... Things are different
Stand your grounds guys. We wanted to hear different POV. Don’t be misled or be afraid of the public critiquing you simply because u have a different POV. I’m watching this channel simply because all sides are explored. Why are we simply changing stance because people are challenging your opinion?
Great job guys, always enjoy the neutral perspectives and meta discussions.
I'm a boss too and have a fair share of employees that just ain't a good fit for the company culture, as such, when they leave, they will always perceive it as the company's fault for not being able to keep them as a talent... but from the company's perspective, at times its better to do without people who are not a culture fit, even if they've the skills/talents
@Stanley
Sounds like Rubbish to me… People usually leave their Bosses and not their jobs.
Don’t find excuses. If your company’s turnover rates are that high, there must be something very wrong with your management style.
Exactly. All my previous jobs I've left because of gaslighting and manipulative bosses who are sometimes jealous of their employees and want to make them resign without firing them.
This podcast just shown how Naive Paul and Denise are regarding Sylvia's Interview with Xiaxue. Why did i say that? because they did not step into Sylvia's shoes and see this whole thing from her perspective. In short they are not being objective but just airing their opinions from a very superficial point of view.
Yes her interview with Xaixue seemed like a "last ditch effort" or "pushing everyone to die" or "pushing Ryan to die as she had nothing to lose". But there is one thing that most people had never thought of. That Sylvia went into this interview with full knowledge of who leaked what screenshots. One will be naive to think she doesn't know who leaked what. This was no surprise attack. Trouble had already been brewing in NOC way before sgcickenrice started to post at the end of September.
So the reason why she went on to attack Ryan in the interview is because she probably knew he had something to do with it. That's why she needs to destroy people's perception that Ryan is the perfect nice guy in NOC to bring some balance to this issue. And many people could now see that this whole thing is actually a power struggle between the two.
This podcast offers no new insights to the saga, instead it's just a repeat of the shallow and superficial perceptions that most bystanders had.
@Jes Chan 100%. When asked about misuse of company funds, she talked about Ryan. When asked about paying her brother salary, she talked about all the times her brother worked but did not address the exact period in question. When asked about the arrangement for "sex" with her talent, she twisted it into introducing her friends to rich guys and tried to make light of the situation by talking about her stupid moment drinking coconut juice alone in the kitchen which does not mean anything. Not saying others are innocent but neither is she.
@@MrEueu89 she did answer the part about the funds, she wanted to understand and see if she still owes anything and want to refer to the file, but was being blocked access from the HR whose instruction came from Ryan, the sex allegations part she address the company has no physical goods or products what can she use to trade for the sex barter? For her brother part nobody knows if he reallys doing work, so no comment on that
imo the details about the suicide attempts were necessary to allow viewers to understand the long term effect it can have on a partner, which then allows them to understand why sylvia became who she is today. i have not personally witnessed or heard such details from people around me before so this was very eye opening and i was able to see how it can make a partner paranoid and willing to do anything to protect their loved one. ryan has spoken about his suicide before so idk how this is outing him
Realest people in the room always
Live and let live. Let’s show love
No we need to nail her to the wall for this!
I still hold the same sentiments as before. As the Rock would say, " IT DOESN'T MATTER" who is wrong or right. Their success or failure in this industry depends on how the public perceives them. You succeed in this industry and earn millions because the public loves and supports you. Similarly, you lose everything when the public turns on you.
Their business is branded as a couple effort so it makes sense for xx to ask. And it is also valid for the public to understand what has led to the fall of their company's internal issues. To put their marriage issues out of this will not bring enough context. Their divorce video is made public anyways, all the more public needs to know... if these employees want us to judge for ourselves, then we need context and not just focus on what are Sylvia's faults. You guys are influencers who share intimate details about your life! If we leave your personal issues out, its like leaving you the personality out. 🤦🏻♀️ Unless you tell me your company is not branded on influencers?
Why is the public sidetracked from the employees mistreatment? Well, the employees should have just left the company! Clearly what we see after listening to Ryan and Sylvia's problems they have much bigger issues to worry about the company! 🤦🏻♀️ Glassdoor would have just done it justice but now this couple have to air their dirty laundry because of these employees. Enough already lah wah lau.
Totally agree w JPs pov. The interview highlights how Sylvia deflects the accusations and did not address the crux of the matter, which is the toxic work environment people blame her for. Instead, she came on to burn the whole house down and point the blame to her ex husband as the reason why she is why she is.
I see where she's coming from. But just because we feel for her, doesn't make what she did right. It doesn't absolve her from being accountable.
i personally believe that the suicide mention was very important. as someone who had and has friends who have tried committing suicide, and are still in the depths of their depression, it is extremely draining for me. the only reason why i'm still sane is because i am not their family, i am not that close to them. and i know that if they actually succeed one day, i will question myself and what i did and if that caused them to go over the edge.
Jonathan is the most logical and realistic one here. The 2 guys on the left with cap and glasses just seem ignorant and delusional. They speak as if we live in a perfect world where everything is clear, direct and so simple.
I totally can’t grasp JP’s thought process… i agree with Daniel and Jonathon. There isn’t anything wrong with telling your side of the story, in fact, i want to hear from both sides in an interview and not in writing posted in tiny fonts on instagram. Anyone can write them, its always better to hear from the horse’s mouth. This will blow over like so many other scandals and in time, most people will forget … then its business as usual.
Ya same here… who in the right mind will continue to allow the world to vindicate you when you feel wronged. Even a murderer needs to have a trial in court. And if his advice to his friend is to suffer in silence while the whole world is shitting on you and your family, then sucks to be his friend 🤦♀️
You are someone that is easily swayed and don't have opinion of your own. If you are accused of promoting toxic behavior and helping your own brother to get PR illegally, do you come out and say you did all that because your husband's infidelity? If she said that in the court, the judge would dismiss her.
Entirely. Off day perhaps or might be the new cup 🤣
One of the reasons why people continue to be the monster they disdain is because they think the pathway back to forgiveness or heaven is always there. While we can always sympathize with the circumstances behind every bad deed, it is a little ridiculous to spend more than 50% of the conversation justifying why she became that monster. At some point, you need to refocus to the present and on the morality of her actions. Otherwise, this kinda of excessive "excuse generating" culture is bad and if propagated, eventually becomes a motivation to why anyone should or could exhibit such behavior. Just imagine 50% of a court hearing session spent on rationalizing a serial killing on the basis of a poor childhood. It wouldn't serve any justice to anyone affected by her, and if she manages to pull this off, at worst corrupts society and serves as an example for others to follow. Go check out the three triangles of fraud or why people engage in fraud: Opportunity, Incentive and RATIONALISATION. Excessive sympathy is also a form of rationalization that contributes to bad actions. Since my life is "fkup", why not fk others up right since its human nature to do so? Is this right? Excessive sympathy doesn't demonstrate maturity, it demonstrates naivety.
1) the pathway back to forgiveness and heaven is indeed always there. If you are persuaded that it is not so, it’s your loss.
2) an excuse generating culture is not as toxic as your lack of understanding & empathy.
Even killing someone falls into different categories depending on situation. Nothing is so simply black & white as you presume.
To equate sympathy to naivety only reflects how bitter and jaded you are.
I still take it with a pinch of salt and being forced to be evil isn't an excuse and I don't really buy the good cop bad cop shit. Things have to be done and a leader or leaders have to be versatile
I’m genuinely curious - if someone is being toxic (e.g. racist remarks, toxic workplace / boss / colleagues / friends, family etc.), how should we properly “cancel” the toxic behaviour rather than target the person allegedly being toxic?
I remember reading that the employees of NOC held an anonymous employee assessment survey on middle-top management people. They were rated based on many factors that I can't remember off the top of my head and there was a segment where employees could provide constructive feedback to them. Sylvia dismissed the survey as being biased and didn't take it seriously. It wasn't even biased to begin with because everyone on the list had some flaws being highlighted but apparently from her deluded POV everyone was just targetting her. You can't reason with someone who has a big of an ego and superiority complex as her.
@@notti9351 when the audio leaked about her first briefing her some of the rep employees not to laugh when doing the survey with NOC employees for workplace sexual harrassment in light of the Dee Kosh scandal and then her ultimately laughing while the survey was being done just showed what a psycho she is. Like how is it even funny? It's a serious issue.. or safe to say she doesn't care if her employees may face sexual harrassment in the workplace..oh right, she bartered sex for services of course she doesn't care about workplace harrassment.
Towards the end… John Paul isn’t making sense anymore…
exactly
In what sense?
wrt 15:26 "she can prove this in court", this was exactly what I felt about some allegations against Sylvia as well. They could show snippets of financial records and everything but couldn't take it to the relevant authorities? They didn't even try going to MOM regarding toxic workplace culture but I could be convinced to understand that due to the nature of the problem. But what about allegations regarding the misappropriation of company funds? Barter trading with sex? Those are serious allegations (that funnily came after less severe ones, legally speaking) that without a doubt WOULD be taken seriously and they really should not have been made anonymously and on social media. What could the public do for them when it comes to allegations like this? If we have the right to judge, then what is the point of relevant authorities? Ironically, it was also what people claimed to be most concerned about and demanded Sylvia explain -- these "objective" issues that should have been discussed and judged in court, not on social media. And on that note, they then claimed not to be interested in her personal life which seemed the most relevant to her toxic behaviour at work... which in turn was... what I thought they wanted her to address in the first place...? I also do not feel that we should dismiss her struggles towards caregiving because it is very true that patients are often not the only ones suffering.
When her mental health was the cause of other people's pain, it was not an excuse for her behaviour and she should deal with it on her own; when someone else's mental health was the cause of her pain, it's STILL not an excuse for her and she should STILL deal with it on her own. (Whether intentional or not, I'm of the opinion that a narrative was built through the exposé.)
this is because even if there is iron clad proof of financial wrong doings going to MoM will take a lot of time for action to be taken. in this day and age, social media can be weaponized and this is a good example. by leaking it via social media, one can take " revenge " by creating stress for Sylvia and now MoM is getting involved anyways so it is actually a sound move tactically.
i felt 42:33 on another level, really hit me in the heart
Will we be getting 4K resolution anytime soon :D wanna watch this on the big screen
In the light of the expose as well as the statement from Sgcickenrice which has since been taken down, the tide has turned again given that SGcickenrice had clearly stated that he is "becoming a pawn of 2 rich adults fighting for their assets". I have re-watched the video and felt that they seem to have already figured who are the people behind those accusations or at least narrowed them down to a few suspects. However, due to the time spent on all behind the scene investigations, XX's video and Sylvia broke her silence late. I believed that Sylvia would not have come out if not due to her mother. I would imagine the TV and Chinese newspaper crowd do not understand this whole saga that's changing daily or even hourly going after her family back in JB and the only way for her to protect her family is to go on the biggest possible impact platform she could have - XX. I mean Jianhao has the biggest platform but XX has the reach to the older, Chinese crowd plus Jianhao is stuck in the middle between his "father and mother" divorce situation and Charlene would have gotten wind of the interview.
Separately, I like this comment that I picked up from elsewhere "Having lots of shooters but shooting aimlessly won't guarantee you victory. You just need 1 capable sniper. 1 shoot, 1 kill. In this case, 2 vids, 2 sites down."
Nope, it’s good that SG Chicken rice exposed it. Too many of Sylvia nasty kind out there.
@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG keep shooting shooter, let's see if u can shot down any of XX's video.
@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG who is the real nasty, u seem to have no idea, if talents have an ulterior motive to leave the company without paying for breach of contracts. They have every reason to be motivated by a manipulator to cancel their boss. Just look at the timeline.
29th Jack Neo posted casting for his new movie,
30th allegations started
3rd SC resigned
by 8th all those talents who went for casting resigned
10th they went for casting as shown in their instagrams
Kind of stacked nicely.
Think abt it, every criminal/crook has a whole backgrd story of why he/she turned "evil". Joker has a sad story too. Regardless, ppl still need to pay a price for their wrongdoings.
Both are at fault, but Ryan is the more hypocrite person to play the nice boss and nice husband to the public. It is still gd that Sylvia speak out t o let the public knows the evil side of Ryan. Filming her without consent since 2016, infidelity, to bring NOC down at any cost. What a companion.
missing John's awkwardness when Dan does the intro
To summarize the entire video, what John has said is likely what all bosses will say in the same perspective, and what Jon has said is likely what most leaders will say. You can't just interview Sylvia and assume everything she said was true, if that is the case, everyone will be telling the truth already, instead, you should interview her, Ryan, and the entire past NOC employees.
Jon trying to be private investigator, reading Sylvia's body language and what not.
Great discussion! My main gripe abt this NOC saga is the cancel culture. Keyboard warriors jumping on the bandwagon of so called “exposé”.
Daily Ketchup also starting to push it with the runtime ah xD
thanks for the content still!
Well said
I'm guessing this was recorded before Ryan's follow-up?
yessir 50 minutes is what we need
Many great points mentioned by the cast, In my point of view, I can't give a f**k about this saga. This is painting such a bad light on our social space, it shows everything wrong with our society. both Ryan and Sylvia aren't saints neither are the "talents". Cancel culture is so toxic and it really shone thru on social media, the things people did defaming sylvia, the way they did it shows that they aren't any better themselves. They stoop to her level doing so and it shows what kind of person they are as well. The way it should have been handled in the first place is reporting to the relevant authorities instead of doing their lowly anonymous exposing. people who do it behind a screen anonymously aren't heroes like they think they are.
edit: i got lazy to re-type certain things, it got deleted by youtube.
Love your videos nonetheless! Would yall be talking about the telegram group
Was this video shot before or after Ryan's clarification post 😆
I want to use the suicide portion on why sylvia said as this analogy.
Imagine your close friend has a crush on this girl. You proceed to do talk to the girl so as to get close to the girl which can open opportunities for your bestf and the girl tgt . Another friend sees that, mistaken it as you have a crush on the girl and ask do you like the girl? You have no option but to tell ur friend that you dont like the girl but it is your friend who likes or else the friend (aka the public ) will see it in a different light. People are telling her to say a different reason or "its not my story to tell" truth be told it is. Because you are involved with it. The only reason it isnt your story to tell is that you dont know the information. Moving on back to the analogy, if you were to say that your friend likes the girl and your doing it for him, your friend will unds you and wont proceed to disturb or question your behaviour. However if you were to dodge the question or say that "it isnt your story to tell" the public would suspect you more and pester and tease you. Heres my oddly weird take on it!
She buy him out, she jialat cos the clients won’t work with her and the viewers won’t support.
He buys her out, she also jialat. Cos not enough capital to roll.
Jian hao knew both of them well enough n he is more closer to Ryan and especially Ryan current gf.... He already said its the "good and bad cop"
So with the new info... again, seems like yall gotta do a part 3 😂 especially on the sgcicken rice reveal and the subject of anonymity on the Internet, ppl with God complex trying to do their own brand of justice.
however I think most ppl are tired of this saga alr haha
Can help me understand…. Why would Sylvia buying out Ryan’s share cripple the company? She should be buying out of her pocket and not NOC’s pocket…
Dan is wearing Seiko 5!
If one gains a benefit when taking the high road, then that is not the high road. The high road is one where amidst all the attacks, you suffer everything in silence in order to protect others, because if you were to voice out, it would also cause damage to others. The high road is one where you take all the damage onto yourself, let time heal the wounds, and then rebuild what you've lost through the damage. The high road is about protecting others despite the damage to yourself, that you're the only one who will suffer while everyone else remains status quo or possibly even gains some benefit. That is why it's called the high road.
One thing I find fucking irritating about the public sentiment towards this saga is how prevalent this “without Sylvia’s role as a bad cop, the company probably wouldn’t have prospered and scaled to where it is today” mentality is. Why not say “without the employees’ tolerance of her shitty management style, the company wouldn’t have prospered and scaled to where it is today” instead? This is why we have so little entrepreneurs, everyone’s a follower. “Public sentiment” can kiss my ass. Doesn’t mean majority agree means it is right. At least consider the other side of the coin.
Her sticking out her tongue was a habit. You could see it in all the other NOCs video. Someone who claimed themselves as a psychology major and then observing all the little “nuances” in her behaviourism does not equate the “truth” or the lack of one on her part. Anyone in her position would be extremely nervous to step out to explain their actions. I think John is sitting on a higher moral ground judging her actions but I wouldn’t know if he would be any different if he was in the same position as her. Honestly, I don’t think the little gestures Sylvia made fully justifies what he’s claiming she’s “trying to avoid” in any way, or insinuation she’s lying. I think it takes a lot of courage to step into the limelight in the midst of all this drama… and we should recognise her courage and not downplay this by saying it’s not the “right time” to step out. Cos I’m sure if she did just that, you’ll say she’s a coward for not coming out to explain herself. It’s all he say she say, at the end of the day, I wish we could be more forgiving cos everyone make mistakes one way or another in their lives. John you too 😉
I think you mean JP instead of John. But I agree, it's probably nerve wrecking to put all of her private life out on display like that - and the fidgeting was probably a physical manifestation of that nervousness.
Wah Really cannot stand Paul Sia..... Very one sided. His mind is too thick that he can't process other information. Stop talking la if you can't be fair. whole vid was so annoying.
Great podcast as usual, but I think certain individuals were very biased and close-minded in this episode. But I guess everyone's entitled to his or her own opinion... Factually though, it really does seem evident that public sentiment for Sylvia has improved since the video
Gaslighting and Toxic Relationships
My biggest revelation from the 2-hour long interview. The most striking point would be the recurrence of his suicide threats and emotional instability. Of course, we have to take mental health seriously and do all we can to help people suffering from it. Don't get me wrong, it's a very real issue and we as a society should recognise it and do our part for those suffering instead of being dismissive as most folk do. However, there comes a point in a marriage where it becomes borderline manipulative as in this case. Sylvia has to bear the brunt of Ryan's emotional and mental needs, pandering to his complaints and needs to be the 'nicest guy in the room'. As many have said, it's a case of extremely polarised good and bad cop. She would be the strict boss, being the iron fist in the company, setting deadlines and securing contracts, is this not how a company is run? Surely not by pandering to employees every need, sending them home after their zouk session... She was forced to be the strict one, critical of most employees and effing them for 'bullying' Ryan just because of his fear of upsetting his employees. That, for ten years, can take a toll on even the toughest of people.
To summarise, both of them were the bosses of NOC up till last year, Sylvia being the one with a greater macro outlook while Ryan is the one handling more micro interactions, bonding with their subordinates and geling with them. He would 'fight' on their behalf even though he's been allegedly drawing a salary twice of Sylvia's. If you were a talent, who's side would you take? A leader constantly breathing down your neck about deadlines or another leader who is friendly, never scolds you and ferries you around? All this was a result of his gaslighting..
More light was shed on what goes behind the scenes. To me, without Sylvia's vision and ambitions, the company wouldn't be what it is today. Furthermore, everything has been quiet for the last decade, why is everything blown up now? The divorce was definitely one of the key triggers of the situation, but more on that later. If working under Sylvia was as toxic and traumatising as people claimed, why was their company able to grow and last such a long time?
For Ryan's sake, she didn't care about her image in front of her employees, she never had friends and that was eventually her downfall. Given that he's allegedly someone with a habitual addiction of pleasing others partly for his own reputation, which seems believable given the evidence, it was real surprising to see his messages about Michelle and Sikeen. It's easy to be a nice person, or at least a fake one, but when the going gets tough, who is the one going to make the tough decisions for corporate advancement? I'm guessing not Ryan...
Cheating Allegations
Linked to my previous point of gaslighting, Ryan undeniably has had cheating episodes in the past. While it does not define him, it definitely rocked the foundation of their marriage and having gone through that, how comfortable would Sylvia have been with Ryan being constantly surrounded by attractive and younger girls all the time? And those texts about Michelle throwing herself on Ryan? C'mon man...
I'm not a woman but it's not rocket science. How would a wife feel when her partner takes sides with more attractive employees, prioritises their needs over yours, and seem to always have an agenda behind his actions? Moreover, he admitted to having crushes on all these talents, all while he was married. To me, that is just low.
It's funny how Sylvia is the one bearing the brunt of all these cheating allegations when in reality, the only cheater in their relationship over the past decade was Ryan. Even if there wasn't any conclusive evidence provided, the whatsapp receipts showed Ryan admitting his previous cheating episode and the crushes would be suffice to conclude at least emotional cheating. Not to mention him taking sides with them and having no sexual attraction to Sylvia during the latter stages of their marriage, just imagine yourself in her shoes, years of being in that toxic relationship. Her eventual personality and toxicity is obviously not justified, but at the very least explained.
Misappropriation of Company Resources
The big red flag here would be Ryan trying to backdate his resignation to May, just before he founded another company for Renoking. There is no argument here, he obviously used company personnel and resources to form a new company behind the back of the majority shareholder. Personal relations aside, they were at the very least business partners and to have 0 accountability and stealing from the very company you worked so hard to build up was just tasteless.
Even thirstysisters and sugarmelon were launched as subsidiaries of the main company, and as business partners, shouldn't he have discussed it with his partner?
Perhaps he had his own reasons, but it is still against the law to use company resources for his personal gain and he should have known better. But then again, he's never been known for being a savvy, well-thought and organised businessman.
Planned Attacks and Secret Recordings
Ahh, the juicy portion. Let's get down to the thick of it first, the headliner allegations. The sex bartering allegation was an example of a contrived allegation, when you just want to destroy someone so badly you can come up with anything and twist it the way you want it to. Hearing the other side of the story now, it seemed like just a regular night out and that specific talent even enjoyed the sex she had. The chilli allegation was also a one-sided account from one of Ryan's best friends, and we now get a more nuanced picture after hearing from Sylvia.
It is to me, someone with eyes and an average brain, apparent that the attacks were carried out with such perfect timing and planning. An instagram account and a website a week later to kick down the alleged snake who was already suffering from the backlash the previous week. And all this coincides with the lawyer meetings, and I don't even want to get into the issue of her email hacking because it's still a one-sided story at the moment.
Most of the initial outpour of support for Ryan and attacks against Sylvia were started by his close friends and people who were 'traumatised' by Sylvia in 2020. And it's so freaking easy to just jump on the bandwagon and take the side of the majority, launching scathing attacks even when said person did no harm against you. This has gone way overboard, what could a person have done to have herself and her family attacked so incessantly? Fake sex tapes of her and memes of her appearing everywhere, tell me I'm not overreacting. Even criminals go through a judiciary system where they're judged fairly, what gives us the right to hurt and criticise another fellow human being? But I digress.
These selective video edits and voice notes are, most often, taken out of context and such selective manipulation of illegal recordings shouldn't be condoned, yet we're all feeding on this and gaining pleasure at the misery of someone else. Ryan's band of supporters are all on his side since their time in the company, as he so-called 'fought' for them against the tyrant Sylvia, when he himself was drawing twice Sylvia's salary. His wife has been pushing the company forward while he, unprofessional to say the very least, basks in his popularity amongst the 'talents'.
These attacks portrayed Sylvia's ugliest at her lowest time after a divorce and when she was going through legal disputes, all without her permission. It seems to me, at least here, that she's the victim.
The Silent Employees
Nina's silence has been deafening, given that she's Ryan's cousin. 30+ more talents and staff are still silent about the whole issue, and this whole drama has disrupted NOC's ability to compensate its employees, imagine having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of wages to these employees while going through this s***storm and legal proceedings. The entire company and livelihood on her people now rests on her lone shoulders. Guess they didn't spare a thought for these people when they decided to sink the entire company together with Sylvia when they launched their antics. Some nice guy this is.
Social Media
Over the past few weeks, we have seen how toxic social media can be and how anonymity brings out the worst in us. Scathing attacks, namecalling, slurs, slut-shaming and attacking of families. Is that what we have descended into?
Ending thoughts
Obviously, what Sylvia had done was in bad taste, but considering her loud and straightforward personality, it wasn't such a surprise. Being someone who's feeling the pent up frustrations and emotions after a decade-long marriage, her chainsmoking and toxic self was someone explained, but obviously not justified. Since then, however, she's been going for counselling and therapy, and it's obviously a step in the right direction. Shouldn't we, as a community, applaud that instead of raking up the past and stomping on her further? This woman, who has obviously been the main factor in bringing NOC to its glory (and infamy, ironically) today, was gaslit, cheated on before being betrayed and torn apart by Ryan, his friends, and then the internet all without a fair trial.
She was definitely toxic and a bad person, but again, are they, or even you and I, not the same?
to provide a more nuanced view to this whole issue
Completely agree. Which I personally find this surprisingly as normally they are pretty neutral and logical. Seems like not in touch with the public sentiment.
I actually agree with the said person that the video didn’t help her but put her in a more dire state. Mainly due to how she answered the part of her brother’s salary. Also with all the reasons that were brought up, it showed that both parties are not professional enough to separate their relationship from work. Easier said than done but if they knew they couldn’t do it, they should have worked towards splitting the company or one of them being bought out. Sure value who have been lost, but it won’t be as bad as the current situation. Not really bias towards or against anyone as in my opinion this video made Ryan look bad too. But making someone look bad doesn’t necessarily make the other look better. Having said that, although this video make her situation worse, it may have helped her situation with regards to her position in the company (on the negotiation table if she’s being bought out).
@@drazerslee2967 I feel there are two parts to this: Personal and Work. Personal means the cheating allegations etc., whatever that happened between Ryan and Sylvia privately la while work means the workplace abuse, withholding salary, misusing company funds etc.
I feel these two have really been jumbled up but let's address personal first. Without a doubt Ryan was not a perfect husband by failing to address Sylvia's insecurities, together with the initial cheating. Both sides made their case and this is just airing dirty laundry that is frankly none of anyone's business except between the two of them
Moving on to work, the argument seems to be that management styles are binary? Either you are a good cop, or you must be a bad cop. I personally disagree, a bad cop can always do encouraging things and still maintain a firm position to get shit done (but admittedly striking a balance is hard). But in this situation let's not forget about how Sylvia evidently did not give two shits about Ryan speaking up for many problematic issues? Can we really just downplay it by saying its just her "loud and straightforward personality"?
I think the most important thing here is really about the timeframe of the entire saga, evidently these screenshots/videos are coming up ages ago (not to invalidate these unfortunate incidents) and she claims to have change. I don't really buy the argument that much has changed given the initial knee-jerk reaction by NOC with that public statement, lawyer letter and internal circulation of documents warning talents etc. together with talent responses, but I guess only time can tell as the authorities investigate these thoroughly. Any discussion regarding misusing funds, director fiduciary duties etc. are all just speculations among us la, who are we to judge without complete knowledge of these incidents (apart from what each party claims) anyways...
Just my two cents :)
Sorry to say this, but the guy with the cap doesn't seem too bright enough to understand what is going on based on the arguments that he is bringing onto the table. The rest are good and very analytical....should seriously consider replacing this dude....
they need someone to represent the hardcore sylvia haters/people who have lesser empathy probably
The assumption now is because of Ryan, Sylvia have to play the bad cop hence her being excused of unprofessional conduct and what not. But what if hypothetically it being the other way round? Because of Sylvia unprofessionalism, Ryan have to step in and play the good cop part at work?
Which sounds more plausible based on the accounts from the employees.
Good point. I think it’s also due to the assumption that these “good cop” and “bad cop” arrangements happened simultaneously. What if it’s a case of cause (Sylvia being a bad cop first) and effect (leading to Ryan stepping in as a good cop to alleviate grievances)? Something the masses should ponder about.
@@brxndonnnn another perspective, what if Ryan played an unfair good cop role? Instead of being neutral, he took sides, and over compensating the grievances, making himself looked good and beloved. And in the process, made Sylvia looks worst than she actually was in the eyes of the employees.
“Good cop, Bad cop” My ass… Just excuses for for their Power trip.
@@eszeezee6967 that's what she's saying and everyone is talking about ain't it? The question is, we won't and never will know if that's the truth.
@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG no doubt bout that.
This have nothing to do with depression but borderline personality disorder. You people are lucky that u never kena a bpd lover or spouse.... This is a good topic n break it out to the public so more awareness.
My best friend's hubby is like the Ryan which Sylvia mentioned. She have to call the police so many times to stop him.
It's not necessary love but more the fear of someone close to you and help you when you are poor then now they turn suicidal then your actions will cause his death.
If Sylvia is wrong in ending her silence & implicating so many people, what about those employees who provided evidences of Sylvia's unprofessional treatment of her staff one after another, which have blown into a big issue? They could have reported to MOM instead of making everything public. If they chose to bring the issue to public attention, they should be prepared for Sylvia's retaliation. I feel that it's fair, although that doesn't justify her conduct. I believe that if Ryan & the talents chose to settle their unhappiness with Sylvia behind closed doors, all these dramas would not have happened. No one wants to see their staff or colleagues posting negative things about them online before attempting to settle face to face first. I dislike a boss like Sylvia, but I hate guys who cheat. Are marriage vows for show? Ryan's attitude is unacceptable. As a couple, both are supposed to bring out the best of each other, not the worst.
You are assuming Ryan cheated . Ryan admitted to be close And confiding in other women which is emotional cheating I suppose. Ryan never admitted to sleeping with other women but then again he would deny it if he did . Ultimately, we have video evidence of Sylvia being a bad boss but we have no evidence of Ryan cheating.
Reporting to MOM does not put Sylvia under pressure as much as leaking the video to the public . It is clear someone really hated her and really hates her still to record the zoom meeting and leak it.
Daniel you are dam solid bro 💪🏼
I think there is no married women view here to talk about Sylvia constantly facing the gurls whom her husband everyday showing fancy for. And they not taking the brains to say hey “U need to stop sending me home tat is going out of ur way, do ur wife know abt u doing this and she is okay. And u showing flirtatious behavior in-front of ur wife is she okay with it” Did any of the girls go up to Sylvia say “are u okay with us being close with ur husband?”
Or stand firm and say “ur actions is making ur wife deeming me as a third party. U need to draw the line.”
So expecting Sylvia to be 100% professional in-front of the gurls behaving so chummy with her husband. And her husband also chummy back.
What women in the right mind would be okay? Unless it is a agreed open marriage, means the couple agree on the each behavior and both cheating emotionally is fine then okay loh…
But no eh. so her emotional and mental torture is damn high la…
Then they finally divorce she can let go but then somehow then allegations that she cheat on him. Is really pot calling kettle black.
Don't even need to be a married woman to see this obvious thing. I'm shocked by any women who felt that it's ok to call their boss to fetch them after clubbing.
Ya but this xmm see it as privileged ma since the boss keep offering… so lets say if the boss is single and they wanna hook up their boss as their boss show interest. So okay ma… I seen many staff hook their bosses then scandal end up the boss leave the company and not them. So is like “Adult” consensual type of thing.
But he is MARRIED. Thats totally different liao. Is just ask for it to be labeled as Xiao San only.
Where can I get John's mug
I stand with Jon Paul. Whatever you said was exactly on my mind.
Yes!
looks he’s a contradicting prick
Both Ryan and Sylvia are not perfect, but whatever imperfections they have, they should not cross the work boundary. Anyone working in NOC or other organisations should feel safe. The owner relationship is irrelevant to a safe workplace. I’m sure they are not the first and last case study and hope everyone involved can find their peace and move forward. Great discussion as usual guys, it’s good to provide ur perspective. IGNORE the internet because u can’t pls everyone. Don’t be like Ryan.
The reason why the employees brought up this issue is in hope to make the company handle things in a better way. Change their ways to treat their employees better. I, as a person that too got alot of shit from my office jobs, i DAMN WISHED that someone would just voice out everytime there is an issue or disrespect happening. Work abuse is a topic singapore does not bring up alot so it would be nice if things can be changed for the better.
Also.. court cases are a long drawn out process - assuming criminal cases. Investigations by the police themselves can take up to a year before anyone even gets charged (if there are any charges) and even then, there’s many processes in places before one actually goes to trial (I.e. appear in court). So it’s not so easy to just “address everything in court”,
The whole interview is done on the assumption made by Slyvia that this whole saga is engineered by Ryan. Which in the first place is not fair.
It did successfully character assasinate ryan, ryan is not a saint but it didnt help her situation.
Sylvia's screenshots to prove that Ryan hates sikeen is circumstantial and worse she is laughing with him against her brother in the same screenshots.
All the screenshots of ryan cheating, being a bad husband, and suicide thing is not relevant cos they are already DIVORCED if it affected her behaviour in the workplace that is her problem being unprofessional. sympathize but does not excuse the criminal acts.
The convo screenshot with ANNE potentially incriminate 2 people whom she blacked out when XXX asked ANNE to give access to YYY who is not part of the company. Also she said she dunno how to use the program then why is she requesting access? someone under investigation not being allowed to access databases under investigation makes sense to me.
Of course, this whole saga started with Ryan leaking NOC's confidential information. The first leaker is sgcickenrice, and now it is known that the admin is one Brandon Mah. Brandon is a fan of NOC and has a very close relationship with Isabelle. Isabelle is of course Ryan's "best friend" and now switches sides to Reno King. Coincidence? I don't think so. Even Brandon Mah admitted that this whole thing was a setup for him to disclose damaging information on Sylvia in a dispute related to assets and properties, and he is merely a pawn to the whole game.
@@hendrasetiawan5740 You are trying to draw proof from the relationship between people which proves nothing because that's a false cause fallacy. barely meets the criteria for probable cause.
It may very well be what you theorize that ryan is the one behind the whole saga manipulating shit, but the burden of proof falls on the people who made that claim that Ryan is behind it and so far i dont see any evidence to back their claim.
Also
- Mah rubbished claims that he took sides, pointing out that the @sgcickenrice page went after both Sylvia and her ex-husband Ryan Tan.
“The goal was simple - to demand fair wages, timely payment, and equitable treatment,” he said. -
from: goodyfeed.com/brandon-mah-sgcickenrice/
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Yes agree with your perspectives.