*The hydrangea is longing to be remembered. *The gaping Maw has opened to swallow you whole. *The world is spinning...No, wait, it isn't, it's just you. *You're getting dizzy from all the moving *Your duckies are getting closer to breaking each second *Green ocean is beneath you, and the serpent is waiting for you to make one wrong move. *Your weapons are useless against thorns Phase two *Fiery pits of hell are opened to swallow you whole *Air is geting heavier *Toriel is not joking around anymore *The sea is burning *You can feel Toriel's anger in her eyes *Burning world brings calamity with it *Ill intensions are in the air. *Abandon all hope ye who enter here *Running is not an option, burning might be.
Wait… A cyclical whirlpool of junk filled water, with what looks to be sewer drains in the background… Oh Angel above… *This fight takes place in the toilet.*
I remember back in chapter one that Asgore gives you a bouquet of flowers which you give to Toriel, only for her to end up throwing them in the trash. I love this idea of those flowers being the secret boss of chapter 3, it fits perfectly and having to do specific task in a previous chapter to unlock a secret boss or route is genius
Wait, if the boss is actually connected to the trash can, in the end of chapter 1, you can give Toriel flowers from Asgore and she will throw them away into that trash can, does that action make this boss more powerful or not?
@@jtjs6096 Hmmm that would be an interesting idea, maybe the boss would deal less damage to kris because he delivered the flowers and more damage to toriel because she threw them away with the rest or maybe she will give you an extra item in the end
Was bored, made some stat/ inspect stuff idk: Dentata: Has a teething problem. Will probably bite you. Hydrangeas: throws out a barrage of attacks. Attacks: dentata’s attacks: Bounce shot: fires a bouncing ball with teeth that bounds off the walls like a DVD logo. Relatively small but gets larger the more hydrangea heads get defeated. Roll along: fires out spiked balls that roll horizontally across the soul box thing (idk what it’s called). Hydrangea head’s attacks Pink head: will fire off either a spread of pink pellets (3/5/6/8 dependant if there are 3/2/1/0 other heads left) or an arced shot of either 1/2/2/3 projectiles dependant on other remaining heads. Blue head: fires a bouncing shot of 1/1/2/2 projectiles or fires a looping shot that performs 2/3/3/4 loops Purple head: drops 4/5/7/9 projectiles from the top of the screen to the bottom, or fires a charged bolt that takes 4/3/2/1 second(s) to charge Yellow head: fires a timed line of 3/5/9/11 projectiles that follow either the player’s horizontal of vertical position, or fires 1/1/2/2 homing pellets that track the player for about 3/4/5/6 seconds. Each hydrangea head has 1500 health, except the yellow head which has 3000, while dentata has 5500. Only a maximum of three hydrangea heads can attack alongside dentata New player moves/conditions for this battle: The basic attacks for all characters (excluding toriel) can only target dentata and the yellow flower. To compensate, each character gets one new special move that costs 25% TP Kris: blue slash (damages the blue flower with three weaker hits) Susie: pink buster (damages pink flower with high-ish damage) Ralsei: purple spell (damages purple flower and slightly heals all characters) The whole party also gains a full-party ability called ‘rainbow siege’ which costs 85% TP and allows them to hit any flower they want with any of their moves on the next two turns. (Also toriel has a fireball attack which hits for high damage on any target) I have no idea if this is well balanced but anyway. Edit: stuff I needed to add: 1) the hydrangea heads don’t die when they run out of health, but wilt. They can still trigger a powerful laser attack when wilted. 2) the player had a shield for this, mostly to help with the utter swaths of BS thrown at them. The shield can protect the player in any one of eight directions (those being horizontal, vertical and both diagonals) Yeah I know this is a really poorly made comment but idc.
Get bored more frequently, this is pretty neat (we'll see how it compares to Wandering Maker's version of the fight). Just a few things to note, especially the names: From what i understand from a concept art of the boss, the 4 flowers together are referred as ""Blossoms", while the plant snake thing is the "Immortal Hydrangea" (so i guess the Blossoms act as some kind of parasite to control the Immortal Hydrangea?). Also all 4 flowers have their own names, based on their colors: The Cyan flower is "Carnation", the Magenta Flower is "Magnolia", the Yellow one is "Yarrow", and the Key one is "Kalmia". CMYK, lmao.
Motifs: 0:37 - Battle against a true hero 0:47 - Not a motif, but Flowey's laugh, x4. 1:20 - Your Best Friend/Finale+ Secret boss/Freedom motif 1:31 - ASGORE 2:14 - BAaTH again 2:25 - Heartache
@@Grimbaloo I mean... it's good that they're using motifs. Aside from them being generally useful, fanmade undertale and deltarune music is generally trying to emulate some of Toby's style, which uses motifs quite often. Like, Queen's battle theme uses Berdly's battle theme, which in turn uses Queen's overworld theme. King's battle theme uses the castle theme, Lancer’s theme, and The Legend.
@@Grimbaloo you.. you do realize the joke that toby created 3 songs exists for a reason, right? I love it, but both undertale and deltarune's soundtracks are littered with leitmotifs from other songs. It's not that big a deal if someone makes a fansong using them, they're probably closer to something Toby would make then if they created a new song from scratch with zero leitmotifs.
Hear me out: The secret boss SOUL order in deltarune is the True Pacifist SOUL order reversed. Red =Jevil/Asriel Yellow = Spamton/Mettaton And so if it does turn out that the flower toriel threw in the trash becomes the secret boss, it should grant the purple soul, with its vines would be what replaces the webs.
So we went from - The flowers theory - The Woody theory - The ICE-E theory - The flowers x the Woody theory - To literally f$cking Steamboat willie/Mickey mouse theory as a joke
At first I thought this would be a strange idea considering that Chapter 3 is taking place in Kris house, not Asgore's flower shop, but then I remembered Toriel throwing Asgore's flowers in the trash, and then it made alot more sense.
Imagine the forgotten princess from Bob T. C.'s Chapter 3 was the final boss, this was the secret, and then they both teamed up for the weird route for Thorns of Agony.
Cool ass idea. Maybe they're both secret, but this one has loads of mechanics to work around, and the other one has constant bullet waves, and those two concepts end up combining and being the ultimate mind screw.
After seeing the original concept art for this character you guys posted on your Twitter, I gotta say it came together just as planned! It’s impressive to again see how this boss moves and the trash whirlpool is a really great parallel to the garbage can! And how it turns red/orange with Toriel’s flames to mirror something like a lava pit or inferno is awesome! Great work!
One of the best chapter 3 secret boss concepts I’ve ever seen. It feels like a love letter to Undertale with Undyne‘s, Toriel‘s, Asgore‘s and Flowey‘s themes incorporated into the song while still retaining its unique, secret boss-ish flair. The use of a 3D model is so perfectly integrated into the sprite of the boss, too! It looks so alive and doesn’t feel out of place either. The usage of another creative medium (pun not intended) like 3D modeling also pays homage to the photoshop elements of Omega Flowey’s fight, as they both use mediums not commonly found in Undertale and Deltarune. As seen in the Jevil fight, Toby Fox has used 3D elements in Deltarune before, just in the background, so it‘s thematically appropriate for this secret boss to also be 3D. Speaking of backgrounds: that is an amazing background! I feel like the background of a boss fight like this can make or break it, and you certainly chose the first option, as the rotating green vine-like things in the background (presumably being a part of the boss) not only emphasize the sheer SIZE of the boss, but also incorporate the trash from the trash can in Toriel‘s house into the boss fight. Having Toriel appear as part of a scripted fight at the end of the battle is also very unique, and allows for both the original Fun Gang trio AND Toriel to get some action in the fight, which is something quite enjoy. The way the background heats up because of Toriel’s flames feels very impactful, and having Kris being scripted to go down just adds onto that as well. I’ve seen the rotating green heart shield idea before, and I think it fit perfectly here, considering all the green and spiky things incorporated into this boss‘s design. Not only that, but I think it could be a very fun mechanic! Now for the one thing I think could have been better (Do take this with a grain of salt as I am not a music major and this DOES come down to personal preference, and your work is FAR better than anything I could make.) The one problem I commonly see in Fan-made soundtracks like this is that they spend a lot of time building up, but don’t have a good drop, or „Punch“ go to along with it. What I mean by this is that this lacks a short, yet memorable part of the song thats catchy and will make the audience remember it, like Spamtons whole „Now‘s your chance to be a big shot!“ Shtick in his song. I’ll edit this comment later to add some Fanmade Deltarune boss songs that have pulled this off. EDIT: See Moonster‘s „Power of the Ideal Man“ or „W0r1d D0m!n47!0n“, OR The_Updator’s „Knight“ theme and Kuromi1906‘s „GO TO HEAVEN“. In short, while I think the song itself falls just a little short of something that makes it stand out even more, the art direction is some of the best and most faithful to Toby’s style I’ve ever seen, while also being fantastically unique. I kid you not, If I saw this boss in Deltarune chapter 3, I would be overjoyed. All in all. Great work, you’ve definitely earned yourself a subscriber!
Actually, if I recall correctly, Toriel is only part of the fight during the weird route, and the flash transition doesn’t mean the two segments were actually connected. It’s just to show off the two different versions of the fight.
I think the "3D" element of Jevil's fight is actually just sprites. I feel like I recall toby saying something about that in the 5th anniversary deltarune stream.
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I like the idea that the Shadow Mantle is the Chaos Kings cape. I also love how it seems everyone agrees Toriel would have a large brimmed hat with a long flowing cloak
The sky/shadow mantle becoming the tool that lets the soul blocks attacks as the Green sould is such a cool concept! Loved it a lot This is a great concept! Great job ^^
at one point i think the toriel part is just gonna be survive since each downed party member gets healed each time its you r turn, so i imagine the concept here is to survive and when kris is back up they absolutely demolish the enemy
My headcanon for these guys is that they want to spread joy and love and wanted to help Kris especially, but they mistook the person who through them away with Kris. Which is the reason they fight them. Each of the heads would have their own personality. The yellow is joyful wanting to fight Kris the least. Red would be constantly angry, wanting Kris dead the most and is likely the one to attack Kris in the weird route. Blue is slightly lazy and also quite sad and only smiles as a way to match up with it's partners, they mainly because it's fair and not out of spite. Gray (who seems to be related to Gaster), doesn't show much emotion despite it's smile, and speaks in all caps and also in a more cryptic manner, for reason of attacking, probably just because the others are.
Dude, the leitmotifs in this theme is insane. Hearing ASGORE was AWESOME!!! I love ASGORE so much and it doesnt get the recognition it deserves. That and the spritework is really well done. Great job!
@@navybluegacha2119 personally I hope all of those become fangames along with this one ruclips.net/video/zdVj5c7zrmM/видео.html You have scrolled far so you deserve a pipis---> 🔵
there actually IS a 3d model like you guys said on twitter!!! omg!! this slaps too! feels like a real secret boss song, seriously great job, anything you guys put out is bliss
I dont think anyone has said this, but i love how the 4 heads shifting from looking at kris and looking at the 4th wall. Its like they know you, the player, are there
Is nobody talking about how the grey flower is looking at the player 90% of the time, occasionally looking at Kris just to turn its attention back to us
@@livelyvoid9681 After looking at the boss for a bit, I have to say Alsart is correct. When two of the flowers on the alternate side face the screen (Yellow and Purple/Grey), the other two (Magenta and Blue) will face the characters they're fighting while bobbing their heads. And it alternates every two seconds. The only reason Purple/Grey seems to face the screen (player) is because it has no white irises like the others. It's a bit hard to notice but it would be easier if you slow the video down.
Itd be interesting in chapter 3 to have a secret area you unlock only when toriel is in your party, and the area is an abandoned garden (the trash can), with asgore's thrown away flowers being darkners that despise toriel for throwing them away and they see asgore as their king/father
This probably some sort of theory about the discarded things. Fountain was made by someone (we don't know that likely to use Kris body). The purpose of Fountain is to animate object and unliving things so people know them if they were alive Joker card always discarded when playing card. The player likely the kids in the school and so the reason why the Fountain was made there. The purpose of Fountain is to show Jevil are lonely (Joker) and want to play too (showed he want to play with the gang) E-mail spam always ignored and discarded. Among the spam is likely promotion of things from a Salesman who tried their best just to live. Not everyone seems to be interested or able to afford a computer so a place where there's lot of computer (cyber world) is the Library and Fountain was made there. The purpose of the Fountain is to show Spamton (Spam of Salesman promotion who did his best to live) was to be taken notice as they're exist like how Spamton tried his best to show Kris that "I'm here" What do y'all think about chapter 3? A bouquet of Flower for the loved one that always discarded, just to rot in vain and the Fountain was made in the house of the loved one tho show the feeling of the flowers as they said "we've been nurtured with LOVE, why you don't LOVE us? Are we not beautiful enough?"
attack ideas 1- vines will slowly move from any horizontal direction, with a 3 ping warning before slamming into the soul, if blocked they will bounce back like a spear on a hard surface, being hit will make the vines stab into the soul 2- same as one, but with a chance of a vine appearing on the sides and launching its thorns toward the soul 3- the soul turns red, pellets will fly like crazy as 4 vines slowly close in the box, after the box is fully closed you go back to green and it will be like 2. 4- the flowers will circle around the player and shoot "friendliness" pellets, each flower head has different effects, red will set fire that acts like karma, blue will freeze and make the soul move/block slower, yellow will shoot normal pellets, and grey will shoot a big pellet (about the same size as the pipis) that will bounce to a different direction, greys pellets bounce based on how many times you don't attack it, red shoots based on how many times you DO hit them, yellow shoots every second, and blue shoots at a random time from 2-5 secs, once greys bounces are done the pellet is gone, if in red soul mode grey will shoot a homing big pellet, grey will shoot stronger but slower if its hit by all the fun gang, in red soul mode, the grey pellets are bigger, the flowers laugh, and you can trick them into shooting each other. 5- just 3 and 4 combined, gl. 6- 2 and 4, vines + the flower heads Easter eggs: if a red pellet hits toriel it heals her, if the flowers hit themselves they are stunned with a shocked face, if you stay near each flower during red soul mode 4, they will react differently, grey will do charas iconic drippy face, red will look mad at the soul, yellow will slightly blush and have 4 hearts around their face, blue will stop being depressed for a second, yellows blush and hearts increase spare by 2% each time, if you attack yellow they wont do the 2% cause you are a monster >:(
@@luckytrap897 I didn’t disagreed with your point, i just added that by the time Kris and Toriel reached the boss, she likely got even more HP than what she starts with (confirmed by one of the devs on reddit by the way).
@@BananaTrooper3650 Definitely looks like it. My theory is that, just like with Noelle, Toriel will be the key to start the Weird Route in Chapter 3 and, after the requirements are met, she will fight with Kris against the secret boss instead of Susie and Ralsei.
I think it’d be neat as, for your soul ability, you’re able to press Z to temporarily counter all damage dealt to you, allowing you to make the boss vulnerable to attacks and acts.
I love all the little details like that the 3d mouth as like fish dragon part which fits perfectly with the ost because it contains part of the song from battle against a true hero PS I searched the name of the song
* The Hydrangea coughs from the garbage spilling into it's jaw. * Smells like a corpse flower. * The revolution of the blossoms is hypnotizing. * A great dragon in it's hoard. * The waves seem to hold no end. * Burn the offering.
Neutral *The air smells of freedom *This battle is growing darker and darker *Immortal Hydrangea cries as it laughs Snowgrave/Weird route *The air smells of burning *Immortal Hydrangea desperately tries to put out the fire *The fire spreads
At first I thought: cool idea with the second phase of Ralsei. He looks like he got REALLY EVIL for his murdered friends. Now he is not a cute and fluffy goat. Now he is vindictive and wants revenge! and then I saw that it was Toriel ...
neutral route *the sewers are filled by roots *the flowers begin to sing a serenade *the air crackles freely cremation route *the Immortal Hydrangea appears to be angry at her sins *are you alone *you call for help... but... someone came *smells like smoke
This is propably my favourite flower theory take! Petaly & Flowery are defenitely a close 2nd and 3rd respectively, though, love the asgore & toriel melodies both being used in this!
Out of all the deltarune concepts this is probably the most believable and fitting fanboss and ust ive seen. I really like it too because the boss arena and the boss remind me alot of paper mario
THE CONCEPT OF THE SHADOW MANTLE?? HELLO?? THE MUSIC! THE ART! THE 3D?? GOSH This is all incredible work and concept!!! Feels amazingly real and fitting.
A very good secret boss concept. I also really like that you show what I'm assuming is the weird route equivalent of the fight in the second half. It looks sick, the music is amazing, and it makes me wish i could play this
That's what secret bosses in deltarune should be, parts of Kris's personality, having connections. And there's people who think that Mike will be ch3 secret boss
I agree with that but does Jevil represent or relate to anything of Kris? Spamton does ofc, as they both have some kind of control issue but Jevil’s just… there
I like how the ending of the first half has Asgore's motif, possibly simbolizing that you're trying to make Hydrangea remember of their caretaker/"creator" Whilst the second half plays Toriel's motif, who was the one that dumped them in the trash also I like the fiery background on the second one, makes me believe Tori is setting everything (and possibly everyone) on flames, which could mean Hydrangea is attacking either desperate to survive or trying their best to "save" whoever could be left Pretty cool design, I love it
*The hydrangea is longing to be remembered.
*The gaping Maw has opened to swallow you whole.
*The world is spinning...No, wait, it isn't, it's just you.
*You're getting dizzy from all the moving
*Your duckies are getting closer to breaking each second
*Green ocean is beneath you, and the serpent is waiting for you to make one wrong move.
*Your weapons are useless against thorns
Phase two
*Fiery pits of hell are opened to swallow you whole
*Air is geting heavier
*Toriel is not joking around anymore
*The sea is burning
*You can feel Toriel's anger in her eyes
*Burning world brings calamity with it
*Ill intensions are in the air.
*Abandon all hope ye who enter here
*Running is not an option, burning might be.
This feels like an unknown connection got terminated...
0:26 start of music
its been over a year but god
THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE CORRECT HP'S DISPLAY FOR THE PARTY MEMBERS
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@@RetroSmash.The Party is Lv 3 at the end of chapter 2 and have this amount of hp when you visit castle town
3 flowers have happy faces and 1 has a sad face.
Three monsters, one human?
Wait…
A cyclical whirlpool of junk filled water, with what looks to be sewer drains in the background…
Oh Angel above…
*This fight takes place in the toilet.*
OH WAIT NO I JUST REALISED NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO TAKE A [[BIG SHIT]]
TORIEL WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
Looks like the bath bombs have come come back to bite kris
this is our comeuppance for flushing the toilet a million times to see toriel react to it
I don't even know what words will fit here..... really good idea for the boss and the soundtrack...
I'm the freedom leitmotif finder.
The freedom leitmotif is at 1:20
Until we meet again.
Damn bro thanks I appreciate it a lot
About time
i love how the 3D model is melded with the sprites! it looks so cool paired with the stellar theme that just (fwug)radiates that Toby charm!
I see what you did there...
It’s got that new super Mario bros piranha plant look
@@nikocob1228 i don’t 🥺
@@nikocob1228 Im gonna look stupid aren’t I
@@Cahrssomething it's a joke about Toby Fox
I remember back in chapter one that Asgore gives you a bouquet of flowers which you give to Toriel, only for her to end up throwing them in the trash. I love this idea of those flowers being the secret boss of chapter 3, it fits perfectly and having to do specific task in a previous chapter to unlock a secret boss or route is genius
She actually does that repeatedly and the trash can constantly smells like flowers
I sometimes dislike toriel cuz she's so rude to poor asgore
@@himidesuyo Probably a reason why she does that to asgore but yeah she has done some sins
make sense since kris makrs fountain in their housr
It's implied she already has done that before, so maybe giving her the bouquet in Chapter 1 would make the boss harder lmao
Tag yourself!
Yellow: Truck freak
Red: Crazy ass
Grey: *друг*
Blue: The fighter
Finally, someone that gets it.
Grey: *цветок*
Kris, Susie & Ralsei: Normal Route
Kris & Toriel: Weird Route
Yeah, that's correct.
0:04 is that the king's cape?
Shadow Mantle
Yes
Undertale: Toriel burns bad flower
Deltarune Ch3: Toriel burns bad flower
_How nice_
Poor asgore :(
Both Flowers were grown by Asgore too. She just has a universal grudge on Asgore
I like to tink that makes the secret boss more agressive
And I love how this secret boss perfectly links to an object in toriel’s house “the flower scented trashcan”
That's what I always thought at the end of chapter 2. If the next secret boss isn't flower/flowey themed, I'd be really surprised!
@@schematikart yup I loved this concept
Wait, if the boss is actually connected to the trash can, in the end of chapter 1, you can give Toriel flowers from Asgore and she will throw them away into that trash can, does that action make this boss more powerful or not?
@@jtjs6096 Hmmm that would be an interesting idea, maybe the boss would deal less damage to kris because he delivered the flowers and more damage to toriel because she threw them away with the rest or maybe she will give you an extra item in the end
also, whats the ultimate thing discarded from the dreemur household?
Using hydrangea flowers is genius, because, yes, they're a species of flower, but the boss has multiple heads. I love it so much
also works well with multiple heads also being associated with the hydra
@@thelemon2172 exactly
that makes sense why Hydreigon has 3 heads
wait a moment doesn't hydra mean water related?
@@shadeee69 it might mean that, I think you're thinking of hydro
Was bored, made some stat/ inspect stuff idk:
Dentata: Has a teething problem. Will probably bite you.
Hydrangeas: throws out a barrage of attacks.
Attacks:
dentata’s attacks:
Bounce shot: fires a bouncing ball with teeth that bounds off the walls like a DVD logo. Relatively small but gets larger the more hydrangea heads get defeated.
Roll along: fires out spiked balls that roll horizontally across the soul box thing (idk what it’s called).
Hydrangea head’s attacks
Pink head: will fire off either a spread of pink pellets (3/5/6/8 dependant if there are 3/2/1/0 other heads left) or an arced shot of either 1/2/2/3 projectiles dependant on other remaining heads.
Blue head: fires a bouncing shot of 1/1/2/2 projectiles or fires a looping shot that performs 2/3/3/4 loops
Purple head: drops 4/5/7/9 projectiles from the top of the screen to the bottom, or fires a charged bolt that takes 4/3/2/1 second(s) to charge
Yellow head: fires a timed line of 3/5/9/11 projectiles that follow either the player’s horizontal of vertical position, or fires 1/1/2/2 homing pellets that track the player for about 3/4/5/6 seconds.
Each hydrangea head has 1500 health, except the yellow head which has 3000, while dentata has 5500.
Only a maximum of three hydrangea heads can attack alongside dentata
New player moves/conditions for this battle:
The basic attacks for all characters (excluding toriel) can only target dentata and the yellow flower. To compensate, each character gets one new special move that costs 25% TP
Kris: blue slash (damages the blue flower with three weaker hits)
Susie: pink buster (damages pink flower with high-ish damage)
Ralsei: purple spell (damages purple flower and slightly heals all characters)
The whole party also gains a full-party ability called ‘rainbow siege’ which costs 85% TP and allows them to hit any flower they want with any of their moves on the next two turns.
(Also toriel has a fireball attack which hits for high damage on any target)
I have no idea if this is well balanced but anyway.
Edit: stuff I needed to add:
1) the hydrangea heads don’t die when they run out of health, but wilt. They can still trigger a powerful laser attack when wilted.
2) the player had a shield for this, mostly to help with the utter swaths of BS thrown at them. The shield can protect the player in any one of eight directions (those being horizontal, vertical and both diagonals)
Yeah I know this is a really poorly made comment but idc.
Get bored more frequently, this is pretty neat (we'll see how it compares to Wandering Maker's version of the fight).
Just a few things to note, especially the names:
From what i understand from a concept art of the boss, the 4 flowers together are referred as ""Blossoms", while the plant snake thing is the "Immortal Hydrangea" (so i guess the Blossoms act as some kind of parasite to control the Immortal Hydrangea?). Also all 4 flowers have their own names, based on their colors: The Cyan flower is "Carnation", the Magenta Flower is "Magnolia", the Yellow one is "Yarrow", and the Key one is "Kalmia".
CMYK, lmao.
Motifs:
0:37 - Battle against a true hero
0:47 - Not a motif, but Flowey's laugh, x4.
1:20 - Your Best Friend/Finale+ Secret boss/Freedom motif
1:31 - ASGORE
2:14 - BAaTH again
2:25 - Heartache
Deltarune music makers try not to rely on motifs for music challenge (impossible)
@@Grimbaloo I mean... it's good that they're using motifs. Aside from them being generally useful, fanmade undertale and deltarune music is generally trying to emulate some of Toby's style, which uses motifs quite often.
Like, Queen's battle theme uses Berdly's battle theme, which in turn uses Queen's overworld theme.
King's battle theme uses the castle theme, Lancer’s theme, and The Legend.
@@Grimbaloo you.. you do realize the joke that toby created 3 songs exists for a reason, right? I love it, but both undertale and deltarune's soundtracks are littered with leitmotifs from other songs. It's not that big a deal if someone makes a fansong using them, they're probably closer to something Toby would make then if they created a new song from scratch with zero leitmotifs.
The main motif is also Determination, specifically a variation OF the variation at the end of Asgore's fight.
@@Grimbaloo A fan made song for a Toby Fox game tries to replicate the music style of a Toby Fox game? Crazy
0:26
I thought this was real for a second.
there are 2 sides to speculation of the chapter 3 secret boss:
the flowers toriel keeps throwing away, or
friend inside me
Hear me out: The secret boss SOUL order in deltarune is the True Pacifist SOUL order reversed.
Red =Jevil/Asriel
Yellow = Spamton/Mettaton
And so if it does turn out that the flower toriel threw in the trash becomes the secret boss, it should grant the purple soul, with its vines would be what replaces the webs.
Could be the reverse Omega Flowey/broken equipment order too, which would make this the green SOUL
So we went from
- The flowers theory
- The Woody theory
- The ICE-E theory
- The flowers x the Woody theory
- To literally f$cking Steamboat willie/Mickey mouse theory as a joke
At first I thought this would be a strange idea considering that Chapter 3 is taking place in Kris house, not Asgore's flower shop, but then I remembered Toriel throwing Asgore's flowers in the trash, and then it made alot more sense.
And since all the secret bosses so far are abondoned and ignored and this one being thrown away makes alot of sense
Yea the boss looks pretty cool but i HATE the shield mechanic@@Chaoschaosjevil
@@ThatDwag69 я тоже
YOU JUST GAVE ME LIKE 5 BRAND NEW IDEAS THANKS SO MUCH MAN
I like how each flower head takes a turn dancing. Great work, Very groovy
Godspeed
I love the way you incorporated Flowey and Asgore lietmoff 1:20
Insted od "the air crackels with freedom" I would say flowers are blooming and later in the fight chance it to on days like these
Imagine the forgotten princess from Bob T. C.'s Chapter 3 was the final boss, this was the secret, and then they both teamed up for the weird route for Thorns of Agony.
Cool ass idea. Maybe they're both secret, but this one has loads of mechanics to work around, and the other one has constant bullet waves, and those two concepts end up combining and being the ultimate mind screw.
After seeing the original concept art for this character you guys posted on your Twitter, I gotta say it came together just as planned! It’s impressive to again see how this boss moves and the trash whirlpool is a really great parallel to the garbage can! And how it turns red/orange with Toriel’s flames to mirror something like a lava pit or inferno is awesome! Great work!
The fact this uses parts of the PVZ zombie sound font isn't as far fetched, as don't forget is actually voiced by Laura Shigihara
One of the best chapter 3 secret boss concepts I’ve ever seen. It feels like a love letter to Undertale with Undyne‘s, Toriel‘s, Asgore‘s and Flowey‘s themes incorporated into the song while still retaining its unique, secret boss-ish flair. The use of a 3D model is so perfectly integrated into the sprite of the boss, too! It looks so alive and doesn’t feel out of place either. The usage of another creative medium (pun not intended) like 3D modeling also pays homage to the photoshop elements of Omega Flowey’s fight, as they both use mediums not commonly found in Undertale and Deltarune. As seen in the Jevil fight, Toby Fox has used 3D elements in Deltarune before, just in the background, so it‘s thematically appropriate for this secret boss to also be 3D. Speaking of backgrounds: that is an amazing background! I feel like the background of a boss fight like this can make or break it, and you certainly chose the first option, as the rotating green vine-like things in the background (presumably being a part of the boss) not only emphasize the sheer SIZE of the boss, but also incorporate the trash from the trash can in Toriel‘s house into the boss fight. Having Toriel appear as part of a scripted fight at the end of the battle is also very unique, and allows for both the original Fun Gang trio AND Toriel to get some action in the fight, which is something quite enjoy. The way the background heats up because of Toriel’s flames feels very impactful, and having Kris being scripted to go down just adds onto that as well.
I’ve seen the rotating green heart shield idea before, and I think it fit perfectly here, considering all the green and spiky things incorporated into this boss‘s design. Not only that, but I think it could be a very fun mechanic!
Now for the one thing I think could have been better (Do take this with a grain of salt as I am not a music major and this DOES come down to personal preference, and your work is FAR better than anything I could make.)
The one problem I commonly see in Fan-made soundtracks like this is that they spend a lot of time building up, but don’t have a good drop, or „Punch“ go to along with it. What I mean by this is that this lacks a short, yet memorable part of the song thats catchy and will make the audience remember it, like Spamtons whole „Now‘s your chance to be a big shot!“ Shtick in his song. I’ll edit this comment later to add some Fanmade Deltarune boss songs that have pulled this off. EDIT: See Moonster‘s „Power of the Ideal Man“ or „W0r1d D0m!n47!0n“, OR The_Updator’s „Knight“ theme and Kuromi1906‘s „GO TO HEAVEN“.
In short, while I think the song itself falls just a little short of something that makes it stand out even more, the art direction is some of the best and most faithful to Toby’s style I’ve ever seen, while also being fantastically unique. I kid you not, If I saw this boss in Deltarune chapter 3, I would be overjoyed.
All in all. Great work, you’ve definitely earned yourself a subscriber!
Actually, if I recall correctly, Toriel is only part of the fight during the weird route, and the flash transition doesn’t mean the two segments were actually connected. It’s just to show off the two different versions of the fight.
@@cybercider6620 didnt know that, thanks for telling me.
The green soul mechanic is from undertale undyne’s fight
I think the "3D" element of Jevil's fight is actually just sprites. I feel like I recall toby saying something about that in the 5th anniversary deltarune stream.
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when asriel is in the dark world and become a flower again
imagine if the yellow flower randomly says "You really are an idiot" every so often
@marinator_666 it is joke
@marinator_666 whatever you wanna think over a youtube comment pal
I can imagine it being where the reason you fight the bouquet is due to some uh family things.
Flowers? What could that b- THE FLOWERS TORIEL THREW IN THE TRASH!
You know the heads of the hydra remind me of a pinwheel. and The body looks like one of those windable bath toys.
I like the idea that the Shadow Mantle is the Chaos Kings cape. I also love how it seems everyone agrees Toriel would have a large brimmed hat with a long flowing cloak
That’s what it might be
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The sky/shadow mantle becoming the tool that lets the soul blocks attacks as the Green sould is such a cool concept! Loved it a lot
This is a great concept! Great job ^^
The head is giving me piranha plant vibes
That sick ass the ride fresh outta super mario bros world 3 swamp
I LOVE THAT TORIEL SPRITE.
seriously her as like a fire mage is PERFECT
at one point i think the toriel part is just gonna be survive since each downed party member gets healed each time its you r turn, so i imagine the concept here is to survive and when kris is back up they absolutely demolish the enemy
I love how the butterfly thing is reused from the king fight when his cape flies away. He's a divorced king and asgore is too
Maybe his cape is the shadow mantle
@@TotalyNotTony probably
I love that “Hydrangea” is also a pun on “hydra”, with it having multiple heads.
My headcanon for these guys is that they want to spread joy and love and wanted to help Kris especially, but they mistook the person who through them away with Kris. Which is the reason they fight them.
Each of the heads would have their own personality. The yellow is joyful wanting to fight Kris the least. Red would be constantly angry, wanting Kris dead the most and is likely the one to attack Kris in the weird route. Blue is slightly lazy and also quite sad and only smiles as a way to match up with it's partners, they mainly because it's fair and not out of spite. Gray (who seems to be related to Gaster), doesn't show much emotion despite it's smile, and speaks in all caps and also in a more cryptic manner, for reason of attacking, probably just because the others are.
Bro, the true hero motif is awesome
Dude, the leitmotifs in this theme is insane. Hearing ASGORE was AWESOME!!! I love ASGORE so much and it doesnt get the recognition it deserves. That and the spritework is really well done. Great job!
why does it feel like these are trailers in disguise
this is absolutely gorgeous. The sprites, animations, and the song are just god tier. amazing work
Neat usage of the green soul
I hope theres gonna be a fangame made at some point cause concepts like this are too good for just songs
Immortal Hydrangea
Rosey and Flowey
And the Roaring Titans
Are the ones I want as playable fanmde fights cuz they're so good as a conept
@@navybluegacha2119 You know at some point after all seven chapters are released Toby will make the game compatible with mods
@@couldntthinkofaname360 AYO
@@couldntthinkofaname360 LESSAGO
But since 7 chapters complete takes ages
Maybe a fangame can be made to pass the years until it drops
@@navybluegacha2119 personally I hope all of those become fangames along with this one ruclips.net/video/zdVj5c7zrmM/видео.html
You have scrolled far so you deserve a pipis---> 🔵
Toriel looks like she's about to purge some heretics.
there actually IS a 3d model like you guys said on twitter!!! omg!!
this slaps too! feels like a real secret boss song, seriously great job, anything you guys put out is bliss
STOP MAKING SUCH BADASS CONCEPTS- NOW TOBY ISN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO USE THIS AWESOME IDEA FOR REAL
I dont think anyone has said this, but i love how the 4 heads shifting from looking at kris and looking at the 4th wall. Its like they know you, the player, are there
1 is always looking and dancing
Is nobody talking about how the grey flower is looking at the player 90% of the time, occasionally looking at Kris just to turn its attention back to us
Not correct: 2 flowers at a time either look directly into the player or at the Delta Warriors.
@@alsartsavience3512 I only see the grey one
@@livelyvoid9681
After looking at the boss for a bit, I have to say Alsart is correct. When two of the flowers on the alternate side face the screen (Yellow and Purple/Grey), the other two (Magenta and Blue) will face the characters they're fighting while bobbing their heads. And it alternates every two seconds.
The only reason Purple/Grey seems to face the screen (player) is because it has no white irises like the others.
It's a bit hard to notice but it would be easier if you slow the video down.
I can imagine that in this fight there's a small chance that one of the ducks head's is changed by Everyman's head
Start 0:27
Gaster be like: "Guys, I trolled some depressed flowers".
*It smells like paper and ink.
*Pipes around the room gush sludge.
*Did you forget?
*Plant sawblades surround you.
BARBIE PUXA PRENDE PASSA 🍑💨
Itd be interesting in chapter 3 to have a secret area you unlock only when toriel is in your party, and the area is an abandoned garden (the trash can), with asgore's thrown away flowers being darkners that despise toriel for throwing them away and they see asgore as their king/father
This probably some sort of theory about the discarded things. Fountain was made by someone (we don't know that likely to use Kris body). The purpose of Fountain is to animate object and unliving things so people know them if they were alive
Joker card always discarded when playing card. The player likely the kids in the school and so the reason why the Fountain was made there. The purpose of Fountain is to show Jevil are lonely (Joker) and want to play too (showed he want to play with the gang)
E-mail spam always ignored and discarded. Among the spam is likely promotion of things from a Salesman who tried their best just to live. Not everyone seems to be interested or able to afford a computer so a place where there's lot of computer (cyber world) is the Library and Fountain was made there. The purpose of the Fountain is to show Spamton (Spam of Salesman promotion who did his best to live) was to be taken notice as they're exist like how Spamton tried his best to show Kris that "I'm here"
What do y'all think about chapter 3? A bouquet of Flower for the loved one that always discarded, just to rot in vain and the Fountain was made in the house of the loved one tho show the feeling of the flowers as they said "we've been nurtured with LOVE, why you don't LOVE us? Are we not beautiful enough?"
When the secret boss is unlocked through the lightworld
attack ideas
1- vines will slowly move from any horizontal direction, with a 3 ping warning before slamming into the soul, if blocked they will bounce back like a spear on a hard surface, being hit will make the vines stab into the soul
2- same as one, but with a chance of a vine appearing on the sides and launching its thorns toward the soul
3- the soul turns red, pellets will fly like crazy as 4 vines slowly close in the box, after the box is fully closed you go back to green and it will be like 2.
4- the flowers will circle around the player and shoot "friendliness" pellets, each flower head has different effects, red will set fire that acts like karma, blue will freeze and make the soul move/block slower, yellow will shoot normal pellets, and grey will shoot a big pellet (about the same size as the pipis) that will bounce to a different direction, greys pellets bounce based on how many times you don't attack it, red shoots based on how many times you DO hit them, yellow shoots every second, and blue shoots at a random time from 2-5 secs, once greys bounces are done the pellet is gone, if in red soul mode grey will shoot a homing big pellet, grey will shoot stronger but slower if its hit by all the fun gang, in red soul mode, the grey pellets are bigger, the flowers laugh, and you can trick them into shooting each other.
5- just 3 and 4 combined, gl.
6- 2 and 4, vines + the flower heads
Easter eggs: if a red pellet hits toriel it heals her, if the flowers hit themselves they are stunned with a shocked face, if you stay near each flower during red soul mode 4, they will react differently, grey will do charas iconic drippy face, red will look mad at the soul, yellow will slightly blush and have 4 hearts around their face, blue will stop being depressed for a second, yellows blush and hearts increase spare by 2% each time, if you attack yellow they wont do the 2% cause you are a monster >:(
I really like that this isn't JUST flowey. Sure, it looks similar, but it's different enough to keep it as it's own character
Its fun to imagine that the entire fight takes place inside of the trash can and that the flowers have taken over it entirely
Floweyたちがたまにこっちを見てくるの、playerを認識してる様子ですき
I really like the detail that toriel has significantly more up than everyone else since shes, yknow, an adult
Well yeah, but also because she likely got stronger by burning up enemies along the way.
@@alsartsavience3512 I don't think that is a factor? Kris, and the gang are all children it makes sense for the only adult to be stronger than them
@@luckytrap897 I didn’t disagreed with your point, i just added that by the time Kris and Toriel reached the boss, she likely got even more HP than what she starts with (confirmed by one of the devs on reddit by the way).
@@alsartsavience3512 So toriel is a member?
@@BananaTrooper3650 Definitely looks like it.
My theory is that, just like with Noelle, Toriel will be the key to start the Weird Route in Chapter 3 and, after the requirements are met, she will fight with Kris against the secret boss instead of Susie and Ralsei.
nah..the way the dark one looks at the camera, that's too scary dude
This should be the official thing
so much time spended just for a concept oh god
I think it’d be neat as, for your soul ability, you’re able to press Z to temporarily counter all damage dealt to you, allowing you to make the boss vulnerable to attacks and acts.
Seems fitting. Alternatively, add diagonal shielding and attacks from diagonals.
Or both.
Literally cyan soul from deltatraveler's porky fight (parrying the legs topples them)
@@choboy46 maybe reflect the projectiles this time, like in the dummy fight
Since charging up with yellow soul fires a [[ BIG SHOT ]], mabye charging up with green soul creates a shockwave
Before I read the description I was freaking out like "where did you get this is chapter 3 out?!"
I love all the little details like that the 3d mouth as like fish dragon part which fits perfectly with the ost because it contains part of the song from battle against a true hero
PS I searched the name of the song
0:59 damn Daniel
* The Hydrangea coughs from the garbage spilling into it's jaw.
* Smells like a corpse flower.
* The revolution of the blossoms is hypnotizing.
* A great dragon in it's hoard.
* The waves seem to hold no end.
* Burn the offering.
When you realize that it’s not water but vines
Neutral
*The air smells of freedom
*This battle is growing darker and darker
*Immortal Hydrangea cries as it laughs
Snowgrave/Weird route
*The air smells of burning
*Immortal Hydrangea desperately tries to put out the fire
*The fire spreads
weird route as a route when we make other characters do things unnatural to them? Noelle would mean genocide and toriel- arson?
Perhaps the "genocide" route would be called "Cremation" route?
@@Yoot-Yoot That honestly sounds sick, love it
@@harbringerboredom2353 a r s o n
0:59 DAMN DANIEL UR UR UR UR UR *UR UR NOTES INTENSIFIES*
i dont like how they stopped the music right at the good part of the heartache leitmotif
aint NO WAY he used the "ar ar ar" as a main part of the song 😭0:58
What
yeah im also confused
what is "ar ar ar"
it's an instrument, he's referring to that 😮
I love the idea that king’s cloak that flew away is the shadow mantle
Wow... The music, the animation, the background... Everything looks amazing!
That track is so awesome
I like how it looks like ferris wheel since jevil had carousel and spamton had roller coaster so it fits in with the carnival theme
OH GOD I JUST REAÑIZED THAT
Chapter 1 secret boss battlefield gimmick: spinning background
Chapter 2 secret boss battlefield gimmick: Moving on rails
This: pixelated 3D character
Someone here listened to Sean's dialogue
At first I thought: cool idea with the second phase of Ralsei. He looks like he got REALLY EVIL for his murdered friends. Now he is not a cute and fluffy goat. Now he is vindictive and wants revenge!
and then I saw that it was Toriel ...
neutral route
*the sewers are filled by roots
*the flowers begin to sing a serenade
*the air crackles freely
cremation route
*the Immortal Hydrangea appears to be angry at her sins
*are you alone
*you call for help...
but... someone came
*smells like smoke
Cremation route is a good name
This is propably my favourite flower theory take! Petaly & Flowery are defenitely a close 2nd and 3rd respectively, though, love the asgore & toriel melodies both being used in this!
Out of all the deltarune concepts this is probably the most believable and fitting fanboss and ust ive seen. I really like it too because the boss arena and the boss remind me alot of paper mario
It seems more like Cup Head imo
People come up with these things very quickly.
THE CONCEPT OF THE SHADOW MANTLE?? HELLO??
THE MUSIC! THE ART! THE 3D?? GOSH
This is all incredible work and concept!!! Feels amazingly real and fitting.
You sound like if Noelle had an alt account
@@sssaym Thanks Obama
@@sssaym r/rareinsults
@@sssaym Accurate
A very good secret boss concept. I also really like that you show what I'm assuming is the weird route equivalent of the fight in the second half. It looks sick, the music is amazing, and it makes me wish i could play this
Dude, this is amazing! The music is awesome, not to mention how incredible the animations are. Seriously, it's so smooth it's creepy. Awesome job!
Wonder what the spare condition would be...
That's what secret bosses in deltarune should be, parts of Kris's personality, having connections. And there's people who think that Mike will be ch3 secret boss
I agree with that but does Jevil represent or relate to anything of Kris? Spamton does ofc, as they both have some kind of control issue but Jevil’s just… there
@@birb70 Jevil represents Kris being an outcast i think
@@torracatt.c.e2845I think it's more that each represent one of the main cast, idk
I feel like in every chapter there is going to be a special kind of soul from undertale...
I like how the ending of the first half has Asgore's motif, possibly simbolizing that you're trying to make Hydrangea remember of their caretaker/"creator"
Whilst the second half plays Toriel's motif, who was the one that dumped them in the trash
also I like the fiery background on the second one, makes me believe Tori is setting everything (and possibly everyone) on flames, which could mean Hydrangea is attacking either desperate to survive or trying their best to "save" whoever could be left
Pretty cool design, I love it
"thrown away and left to rot in your trash can?"
"It has forgotten about us."
"They foolishly stopped to..."
"Smell the flowers!"