Hi Mark, I really enjoyed your video. I hope God gives you a long healthy life so you can continue to inspire humans to be physically strong. I am from the UK and recently the National Health Service (which is UK large free social health service) has implemented in their guidelines for newly diagnosed cancer patient that they must join a gym within 48h to begin a strength and HIIT training programme. The reason being is that it has shown being physically strong and conditioned before cancer treatment, patients are better prepared to undergo chemo-radio therapy and surgery. In addition, their recovery rate is fast and do not require to spend as much time in recovery if they come into the treatment strong and fit. Only now the medical community have realised the huge benefits strength has on your cancer prognosis and other health conditions. I wish the health and fitness would focus on strength and condition through training the big compound lifts as voiced in SSBBT. Thank you for your help. Mo
This is so true. Get stronger to improve everything. I'm not quite as old as Rip but I'm close and been involved at all levels of strength training individuals for over 3 decades. Thanks for spreading the word guys.
We are huge proponents and supporters of Rip and Starting Strength in general. We believe in the power of the deadlift, bench press and squat and use it on a daily basis with our clients. When it comes to Kettlebells, I'd like to share some constructive feedback to what is said in the podcast. 1) Kettlebells are a fad Depending on the sources, we can date kettlebells back into the 17th century. Strength equipment that survived this long is not usually considered as a fad - if we put american/russian politics aside. 2) Kettlebell is not strength training It's probably not in a typical sense since there is a ballistic component involved (as Rip mentioned) and Russians do consider kettlebells as a form of cardio. Aside from the TGU however, there are more exercises that intentionally avoid the ballistic component and therefore can be judged strictly as a form of strength training; such as the goblet squat or the strict press. Even ballistic movements like the Clean & Press or the Long Cycle require a proper amount of force production especially from the legs and don't depend on ballistics alone. Specifically at the point when both kettlebells are in the rest position prior to the dip, jerk and overhead fixation. Finally, providing the kettlebell swing as the main exercise to build strength from a kettlebell training point of view wouldn't be the right exercise in the first place. Even though it's the most popular, I'd rather use the Clean & Press (or the mentioned long cycle) in that regard. 3) How to build strength for kettlebells The question probably should be rephrased since kettlebells are not a question of raw force production alone. Pressing or snatching a heavy kettlebell (28 kg+) overhead for example can certainly be achieved with raw strength. However, the best way to "become stronger/better with kettlebells" would be to improve the technique itself (juding from the girevoy/ kettlebell sport style of view). Anecdotally speaking, I'm now able to clean & press the 28 kg for a certain amount of reps because I've been working on my technique and not by getting stronger on my deadlift, squat nor bench press. We see the same results with our clients as well. Enjoy the holidays guys; looking forward to more content in 2020!
Well Brad Gillingham (world champion powerlifter) and Dr. Stuart McGill are both proponents of kettle bells, especially for the therapeutic benefits they provide.
@@boydmccollum692 Thank you for the wel-balanced rebuttal to Rip's claims on this issue. I thought he was selling KBs short. And they really aren't a fad the was Crossfit and functional training are.
The point is that if you did get your deadlift up, you could clean and press more than the 28kg KB you’re doing now. You can clean and press more than 28kg on a bar in a couple weeks. And ya can’t squat a 150kg KB.
I play billiards and getting stronger has certainly improved my game. I notice increased stability in contorted positions as well as increased stamina. Having a strong back and strong hands and forearms is a huge advantage since most billiard players don’t train.
After years of touch and go experiences with the Starting Strength Method, this video has, finally, for some reason, convinced me. I am amazed by my own ability to make excuses for myself.
I was a competitive swimmer in high school - a sprinter. The summer before my senior year I weight lifted religiously in the afternoon and ran a fast paced 1.5 miles in the morning. I was in incredible shape when swimming started in the fall. I got my fastest times in the 50 yard freestyle. Of course everything when to pot when my coach had me swimming endlessly and doing no strength training.
As a fellow athlete, I empathize with you and I have a similar story. I am a professional couch potato (well technically a bed potato since I'm broke and I don't own a couch and sit on my bed all day). After going through Rip's linear novice strength progression, I've noticed that sitting on my behind all day and doing absolutely nothing else has become much easier, and I have much more stamina too (now I can sit for an hour longer before I have to lie down from sheer exhaustion). That means I can now watch an entire movie on my laptop in one sitting, instead of just single episodes of my favourite TV shows and cartoons. Thanks Rip.
Mark, to your golf example, I have a story. I began your program about 3 weeks ago and got to session #7. At 67 years old my weights are modest but improving at 5 lbs per workout. Last week our Oregon gyms closed because of COVID. I went to play golf (5 handicap) with my buddies one bright November morning. It was 40 degrees. I had zero warmup. I swung an "Orange Whip" a couple of times and then hit my first tee drive as long as on a hot summer day, and straight! As a cold, stiff old guy that first drive shouldn't have gone very well. I have only the Starting Strength Program to blame. By next Spring things could be pretty phenomenal!
My father was a competitive runner till his late 70'e. Innumerable trophies. His heart enlarged and would pause He got a pacemaker, beginning of the end. He died hard. He avoided heavy weight training as he did not want to become "muscle bound." Thank you Kenneth Cooper founder of "Aerobics "..
A lot of competing runners do some sort of weight training. Are you saying competitive running gave your dad a bad heart? There are a lot of people who never exercise with enlarge hearts. Stamina without strength is worthless. Strength with out stamina is worthless. Rip never mentions this. Cross fitters and people who do kettlebells can do the power lifting workouts he mentions, but can power lifters (Rip) do hi rep kettlebells and cross fit? Remember no belts or suits.
Thank you, Starting Strength. You put out the absolute best information in the online "fitness community." Rip dropping pearls of wisdom in these videos.
You may have gotten me in trouble with your conversation about the commute. At the end of it, she turns to me and says " You don't like me?" Thanks for the new complication.
"...a young strong guy is capable of EVERYTHING physical, whereas a guy who ONLY runs is capable of running, and that's all...there's a greater return on investment from getting strong that pursuing ANY OTHER avenue of accumulating a PHYSIOLOGICAL adaptation, in training... it makes more sense to take that amount of time and get stronger than do anything else; now, once you're stronger, what can you do?? EVERYTHING better..." Best concise truest statement in favour of lifting weights for STRENGTH. I tell this same feeling to all people I know, but never as precise as this one statement.
None of my doctors told me to lose weight even though I was almost 280 lbs at under six feet tall, with high blood pressure. Granted, I've been lifting for 12 years or so. The doctors wanted to treat the symptoms rather than the cause. I lost about 20lbs, quit drinking and my blood pressure has improved by 20% systolic. Point being, look at what could be the root cause of your problems, people are out for money and that may tamper with their methods of helping you.
Lol when I was pregnant 27 years ago 5'6 200lbs! Doctor just said keep doing what you are doing. They still say that now 54yr 15l lbs. 14%bf, though I would like to be lower, but that is my problem, lol. Stay strong, stay healthy. 😎😉💪🏾💪🏾🚴🏿♂️🚶🏾♀️🐕🏋🏾♀️🚵🏾♀️🏍
Sounds like you need better doctors -lifestyle modification is literally the first-line therapy for hypertension in evidence-based medicine. Nobody gets fat kickbacks for prescribing cheap generic antihypertensives.
@@senselessnothing Treating symptoms in conjunction with targeting the underlying cause if possible depending on the situation. I didn't need to. It's about sustainability. I don't have cancer or something.
I used kettlebells extensively and effectively in two situations. First, for rehab and second when I was a fighter. Olympic/power lifting did not give me the endurance I needed in the ring. Kettlebells did. And there's no way I will do Olympic lifts for high reps.
Exactly! Depending on how the implements are used they can be for strength and development or endurance. I phased out all benches, racks bars and plates the more I gravitated more to kettlebells.
@@davidtrevino5211 the last guy I put on it doubled his output in 4 weeks. In the ring he outworked his opponent. Threw exclusively bombs for 2.5 rounds till his opponents corner threw in the towel. He never came close to gassing. Fight was @ 185 Muay Thai
@Raimonster Couldn't agree more, well put. I find that the largest difficulty i have training high performing athletes is 1) minimizing the interference effect. And 2) finding the bare minimum they can do to maintain a trained system while they focus on a different one.
I think kettlebells became popular probably a) the mystique (we’ve all heard stories about elite Russian athletes) b) convenience (not many people have space for a power rack in their residences but kbells can be stuck back in the closet when you’re done) and c) more fun than boring cardio machines. If you read the history provided by Pavel, he states that kbells were popular in the Soviet military due to them being cheaper alternative to barbells and power racks and providing good enough fitness for soldiers. Like anything take it with a grain of salt. Personally, I view it as Olympic lifting made easy. An Olympic snatch has a lot of moving parts and should be coached to make sure you avoid injury and improper technique. A kettlebell has a much wider room for error while providing most of the benefits in interested in. That being said, even Pavel acknowledges that barbell training is superior to kettlebells for making someone stronger.
MrRolyat98 I think that kettlebells are attractive to people who don’t have a clue how to accumulate strength. They’re also attractive to people who want to be seen doing something that appears impressive.
dafunkmonster i think kettlebell is not for to get strong but for more GPP. i do powerlifting and i do kettlebell. u cant use a drill to cook a potato. different tools for different purpose
@@dafunkmonster I believe they're also attractive to people who are concentrating more on human movement . As opposed to those who are looking more into gaining strength.
Re3iRtH I think kettle bells are great for gpp work, but you can’t compare me kettlebell squatting 45 lb for reps to me 305 barbell squat for reps. I think both have their place but you can’t get anywhere near as strong with a kettlebell squat
Kettlebells are made for everything, presses, squats, rows and whatever you want. Kettlebells are NOT crossfit shit, I workout mostly with kettlebells and I grew a lot of muscle, strength and endurance during these last years, you know how? Lifting kettlebells, heavy kettlebells, in the proper fucking way, as they are meant to be used for, rising the weight as I got stronger, because kettlebells my friend, are NOT meant to be small gym tools for skinny vegan crossfit nerds to swing them and believe they're strong. Wrestlers, at least in eastern Europe and Russia have been ALWAYS using kettlebells for training. The first bodybuilders like Sandow, Sigmund Klein or Georg Hackenschmidt used kettlebells too. Kettlebells makes you stronger the same fucking way bulgarian bags, dumbbells, or barbells or machines does. I've never seen this cringy thing of classifying gym tools and ways of training in what does work and what doesn't, what's conventional and what's not without knowing really what they're talking about, in any other place but the US. If you think kettlebells doesn't work it's because you don't know how to use them.
As a counter point - you can get pretty strong with kettlebell cleans, presses and squats. Combine these into doubles monster lifts and you have a complete body developer. Of course, barbells will always be king for strength in absolute terms.
Great leveling explanation on CrossFit. It peaked my interest years ago but only enough to notice that the movements concerned me. Some are just unbelievably stupid. I am also not a gym go’er but do train using powerlifting at home and have achieved many goals, injury free. I workout to feel better so injuries are the wrong direction.
In Pavel’s book Enter the Kettlebell, he actually recommends 12 minutes of swings. You swing until you can’t anymore, take a walk and come back to the wait when you can breathe again. I’m not saying it’s good or bad, just saying I have seen it recommended
One of the things that Pavel has said is that based on Soviet sports science, lots of volume with a submaximal weight will increase strength. Dan John has confirmed this through his experience both personal and coaching athletes. I was also skeptical of this until I tried it myself. Rip also does what he does best and that is he creates a strawman. While it is true that athletes who compete in kettlebell sport, known as "girevoy sport," try to accumulate as many reps as possible in 10 minutes, this is not what Pavel recommends. Pavel recommends 5-10 reps with a kettlebell that is heavy for the particular person. Strong guys would be able to use a 32 kg KB but I seriously doubt they would be able to snatch a 32 for 10 minutes straight. The KB is a good tool to develop power without the learning curve of the Olympic lifts. I am a huge fan of the Olympic lifts and consider myself an Olympic weightlifter so I am not putting down the lifts. However, in order to get the most benefit from the lifts technique needs to be decent - not perfect but decent. A KB can be learned in 5 minutes. Buy or make a T handle and you can load the movement to well over 200 lbs. I would bet that a novice could attain a 200 lbs. swing faster than they could attain a 200 lbs. power clean.
Correct, but what else you expect Rip to say? He is selling something. Even if Rip agreed with you and I it's not in his financial (or any) interest to say so.
You're missing the point, swinging kettlebells around doesn't use as much muscle mass, range of motion, or allow for you to gain strength above the weight you have. Just ask yourself this:. "does swinging a 45 lbs dumbbell make you stronger than squatting 315?"
This episode is a symbolic retaliatory drive-by shooting conducted on Pavel's recent guest appearance on JRE. On a serious note, I've been waiting for you to talk in depth on this subject for a very long time.
I've seen the JRE clip in my recommended list, but as I already know the answer to the question of that video title I didn't bother. I do like coverage of problems though.
I agree with his assessment of kettlebells from his purely strength perspective. However, kettlebells are not about maximizing strength, they are about work output. The anecdote about the kettlebell champion who wouldn’t squat all the way sounds problematic. I’ve never met a kettlebeller who doesn’t make an attempt to go ass to grass on their squats.
Nice discussion! But some questions/remarks (sport-specific practice is tennis in my case). I understand that strength training the way you advocate it, can help tremendously. and decloupling strength-training from tennis practice is practical, certainly if you only have a couple of exercises (sq/dl/pr/bpr/pclean/psnatch). This is great! But on the other hand, you also need other qualities than pure strength and power and i find that kettlebell swings for example can give you muscular endurance, it also works on power and explosiveness depending on the speed with which you execute and you can do a lot of rotational exercise variants (which is not the case with the classic barbell exercises that are advocated). That's why I also program medicine ball throws (next to kettlebell-swings), where we can also play with footstances and tennis-specific movement patterns before the catch of the ball. It could be argued that this is sport-specific training. At some point, weighted swings and ankle weights are mentioned and laughed upon. They may not make you strong in the sense of strength training, but if you do them and then you repeat the same actions without them, everything feels lighter and it feels like you can actually hit harder when the racket is suddenly lighter (and assuming you have the technique and timing to do faster swings and still hit the bal cleanly) and that you are faster on first step when you remove ankle-weights. I cannot prove this, but i wouldn't want to take them out of a tennis-program, because if you do these exercises, you really feel the difference. To me, these kind of exercises are a kind of sport-specific application of acquired power-capabilities (being able to move your bodyweight faster, or accelerate the racket-weight harder). When you refer to functional training and the "bosu"-ball in an ironical way: i like to add the bosu-ball or doing squats or (single leg) romanian deadlifts on stability pads because it trains balance and stability and learns you to move your centermass over your base of support in more variations than classic strength-training (your leg(s) and their stance on the ground). The main difficulty is the programming and periodization to do the strength and power programs while you're practising sport specific also for hours. Nice content, and i understand your strength arguments, but i feel that the other forms of training like kettlebells and functional training provide additional benefits, which can carry over in sport-specific skills (certainly the case for tennis)
I agree with you lol in fact I also stated that as a boxer sure being strong and getting stronger is great when I weight lift but technique is key! You can be strong but you’re body may not know how to function properly or to it’s full potential when throwing a punch unlike when you practice functional movements that help with that you may not get stronger from building more muscle but from neuromuscular adaptation we’re your nervous system gets stronger at producing force in that movements in fact Lateral flexion and anti rotation both are key for rotational sport athletes. Rotational movements often require an intense stretch through the core; as a consequence of hip and shoulder separation. To optimize performance and prevent injury, athletes must develop strength in those positions. So I see what Rip is talking about but you have to realize functional training is just standing on a body ball and causing instability but it’s more of exercises that work several muscle groups simultaneously. Functional training helps with stabilizer muscles which are a huge help when it comes to strength training. In fact coming from rehab a bosu ball will come in handy along side with unique weights but if you notice therapy doesn’t just consist of functional training but also resistance training. Functional training improves balance, agility and muscle strength, and mobility which can all help with traditional strength training. They also help reduce the risk of falls. Yea strength training is great for performance but keep in mind they’re always exceptions, if you go to the circus and see these people balance on balls. They don’t practice that by just doing leg strength exercises, yea im sure they have done strength exercises to get stronger but they also practice on a lot of unstable surfaces because for them it’s a necessity while for us who the hell balances on a ball every day? Not many people unless your hiking and you like jumping on rocks sure some single leg stability exercises will help but you have to realize functional training is the classification of exercise which involves training the body for the activities performed in daily life. Because functional training focuses on training movements not muscles, but I mean if you’ve never done functional training and you always do strength training you’ll see some growth in functional since it’s a new stimulus for a bit. But at the end of the day the best thing you can do is functional bodybuilding(or strength resistance) training combine to have a lot of power and strength but also have great mobility and agility for your daily movements.
KBs are not just about lifting on time. You can lift heavy bells too for low reps and progress as you would do with barbell. You can also use them for many exercises just like dumbbells. (rows, bench, curls etc.)
Crush, your 75 * 32 kg kettlebell swings. That's awesome. I 've seen a guy doing a 90kg kettlebell shoulderpress from standstill. Now, that's strength. Would like to see somebody do a 90kg kettlebell snatch. Without a swing of ofcourse.
You obviously don't know how crossfitters train and program. You really shouldn't comment on aspects you don't understand. The contests are random, the training isn't.
Becoming strong from the SSLP helped me with my 3 point shots in basketball dramatically. I just wish I had figured that out when I was in high school instead of at age 25 when that sort of marksmanship won't, and shouldn't for moral and legality reasons, get you any fun time with the homecoming queen. My high school's weight training program was pathetic. We wasted so much time on periodized training with max charts on novices. A complete avoidance of teaching and doing the deadlift for fear of injuring our lower backs despite having us do hang-cleans and... picking the damn bar up off the floor. All of the bars were bent as well, so they would pop out of your hands during the pull or the rack. They were probably bent due to irresponsible programming of heavy rack pulls. Because we didn't do deadlifts, our grip strength was not even sufficient for the hang cleans, so we used leather straps to hold on. We did seated overhead "military" presses for no apparent reason. Squat form was atrocious and rarely to full depth with feet forward and "eyes up to go up" cues. Pullup form was nonexistent, and it resembled Crossfit kipping. Isometric body weight holds (planks, hand stands) were in vogue because it "filled up your muscles" or some BS like that. We also did bench burnouts, steering wheel shoulders, agility ladders, and other useless things. I think it was to just keep us entertained. One particular summer we even did a P90X program. The track weight lifting program in college was not any better. They had us read a book from Istvan Javorik, a previous D1 football trainer at Texas A&M, and there was no apparent explanation for the training program's methodology. It was pulled, in my opinion, from his ass at random, similar to CrossFit. There was even a section dedicated to the benefits of herbal teas that boiled down to basically his opinion. The program ran me into the ground, and all I did was get skinnier as a sprinter. Both Istvan and our track coach Lester were lucky guys who were made to look good by the freak athletes they had the good fortune to be coaching.
Nothing wrong...but I think the answer is you would get “stronger” by being able to lift heavier and heavier weights. Not sure if 200 lbs kb exist for instance... it’s easier to load a bar etc
If I understand between training and practice, here are my 2cents as a runner... Strength Training would be weights (i.e. squats, deadlifts etc.) and core. This would create stronger runner that would be able to execute the practice sessions for running. Practice would be practicing at different paces and distances (i.e. speed sessions, lactate threshold sessions, etc.) in order for the Performance you're aiming for (i.e. 10000m track race, marathon, etc.)
Training involves the acquisition of an adaptation. Strength can be trained, but endurance is also an adaptation. Metabolic/structural changes are taking place in training.
Practice would be the honing of a skill, like a baseball pitch or a heavy snatch. Practice is only the specific application of the adaptation you acquired *through training*
“Strength Training would be weights (i.e. squats, deadlifts etc.) and core.” There is no “core” training you can do that will strengthen your abs and back faster than squats and deadlifts.
Force = Mass x Acceleration. So, assuming an athlete has the god given ability to accelerate then increasing muscle mass will only produce more force. I supposed there is an upper limit where being too heavy will limit acceleration and slow down force production but my guess is that’s further off then we think and we might not be able to train to that level anyway. So, yes, he’s absolutely correct.
If whats-his-bucket in the background is gonna talk, they ought to mic him up so we can hear the stuff he's saying. Otherwise it sounds like Rip is talking to the voices in his head.
Unless someone has done kettlebells for a period of time, how valid is their opinion (RIP). He says strength is how much you can do one time. Why can’t strength be how much you can do five times? Is he saying that people who can swing 80 pound kettle bells are not strong? It is weight resistance, not only will kettlebells make you stronger but they work your heart and lungs so it is functional. What good is it if you can deadlift 500 pounds but you cannot run a quarter mile without getting out of breath and your heart beating out of your chest? What good is strength without stamina? Rip knows strength but his opinion on kettlebells is way off so is his opinion on running.
Using kettle bell as a auxiliary exercise I can do Multiple get ups with the 88 lb. bell. . They may not technically be strength exercises, but are so darn unenjoyable , get ups have to be good for you.
Just started listening or actually watching this episode. Such an interesting start right away. You talk about people who have a loooong commute to and from work. I met a few who do this daily and sometimes I couldn't believe the amount of driving time. I must have looked at them as if they're crazy and I actually think they are crazy. These people can't have a life. I'm talking about them having a boring office job and driving 1.5 hours one way and 1.5 hours back and I think this is a minimum amount of time, because then there's the near-endless traffic congestions in which you sit staring at the same litter-strews roadside and the same car in front of you for ages. The people who sit in a car for hours straight daily also look like jelly; their body has shaped itself to accommodate being glued to a seat. Their mind is unusually dull, as they sit stupefied a good portion of their life listening to some hack on the radio, I mean a mainstream radio station blaring generic pop music and politically correct tidbits in between and lots of commercials for crap. At home, these people eat microwave fodder like pizza every day or they call some crummy place to have food delivered in plastic containers. They eat while watching TV, probably CNN or something. Anyway, Epstein sure didn't kill himself, but it sure is good the planet is one pedo down. Perhaps the killer(s) drove hours to get to him and if so, good for them. I would have liked to hear the conversation along the way. Bob: "So I'm gonna grab the fucker by his feet and you gonna smash his skull against the bunk?" Bill: "No, I told you I'm gonna grab him by his feet and you gonna put your big hands around his neck. You was hired for your hands. You still work in that welding factory?" Bob: "Yeah, and before I was a car-repairman. All day long I worked the wrenches. First time I killed somebody, I was even surprised by the strength in my hands. I crushed his skull like it was a--" Bill: "Ah, fuck, road's closed up ahead. Now we gonna have to take a detour and that takes much longer. Epstein will live a bit longer. I hate driving. Turn on the radio, willya? Maybe they have a new poll showing Trump ahead in every state save California and New York. You know the guy we're about to off is a Democrat? Big-time donor. Can't wait to see you choke the life out of him. I hope his feet don't smell. Maybe we ought to chop them off and bring them back home for the dogs to play with." Bob: "My Polly would love to chew on them Jew feet. Swell idea, Bill."
White Wolf dude I live near Seattle and I’m surrounded by these chuckleheads. Ive only been here a couple years and all I can think about is how dumb it is the hardship that people put themselves through to live in a dump of a city. A city that’s incredibly overpriced and overpopulated. To buy shit they don’t need. I know some of those slobs that you described. They pay me to do shit they don’t want to do on the side. Like cutting their grass. They pay people to basically raise their kids. To make their damn food. All because they are just too tired and stressed from making all that money. It’s a joke and an unhealthy obsession of complexity. Haha great story too 😂
It’s exactly as expected, a 30lb kettlebell. This is straight from the box, no issue with appearance and no problem with the grip. Good buy for the price.
Mushrooms do not make you vomit. You are thinking of something like AYAHUASCA which is totally unrelated. Mushrooms grow here in the UK I can get on my bike to a local field, about 15 minutes, pick hundreds. Will they change your life - I think so, yes, they can have a profound effect. But so does powerlifting... there is a certain overlap, there is a certain intensity involved, a certain sharpening , a certain overcoming of fear, demanding resilience, demanding overcoming discomfort, coming through the other side. Take running a 5k hard for a PR. It feels horrible. But afterwards you feel great. Maybe the theme is overcoming.
Not everyone has the goal of weight training or bodybuilding. Some people just want to get physically fit and lose weight. HIIT can help with that, especially for people who are not already at a high level of fitness. HIIT and strength training are simply two different tools. It doesn't have to be a choice between one or the other.
Maybe their job that requires a 3.5 hour round trip travel pays significantly more than anything within a 60-90 minute round trip commute. That type of commute is worth a 50-100% pay increase in my opinion
At what age do you mean kids? And what age do you think these athletes should start the strength training? I'm concerned with figure and hockey skaters. Most of the skill they learn is at a young age.
i think kettlebell is not for to get strong but for more GPP. i do powerlifting and i do kettlebell. u cant use a drill to cook a potato. different tools for different purpose
40:28 I've seen the kettlebell community offer some criticism of this video but not the admittedly smaller heavy club community. Heavy clubs are certainly not a fad as they're about as old as civilization itself. Secondly heavy clubs, like kettlebells, punch substantially above their weight since they require much greater force production than their actual weight suggests. They dont weigh 5 oz and they will make you stronger.
I've read a bit about Mark and I'm really suprised to be hearing so much wrong with this video. Barbell workouts are great and when you want absolute strength or size. Those are the way to go. But strength isn't one dimensional. He says that you don't improve in sports by doing strength training that mimics what you would be doing in said sport. That's absolutely not true. Anyone who has boxed will tell you. You don't increase punching power by doing barbell movements. You do it by hitting the heavy bag. Many boxing coaches will even discourage barbell training. There's so much misinformation about what functional training and functional training is. Functional training will give you functional strength. Or as many call it, real world strength. Functional strength is not standing on a buso ball with a dumbbell. Functional training can be anything from a barbell squat to a kettlebell farmers walk. There's a reason that Pro MMA fighters use kettlebells so much. They work. A 495lbs bench press may be impress in the gym. But does little for you in a boxing ring or MMA cage. But Turkish Get Ups with a kettlebell or ballistic training with a medicine ball can make the difference between winning a fight and getting your clock cleaned. Barbells have their place but they are no longer the cornerstone of strength training for all sports. I wish people would educate themselves and realize this.
Old school boxing coaches discouraged weight training because of old wives tales that lifting heavy weights would bulk you up and slow you down which we now know is simply not true. But a lot of people still cling to old false notions.
So what? Hallucinogens aren't useful because they give you access to some hidden truth. They are useful because they let you view the world in a different way. They can turn the mundane nature of day to day life on its head and help the user see things in a novel way. That's their power.
@@mihailmilev9909 some people think it’s a spectator sport like watching television, other people know it’s an exposition of meaning and understanding. It’s like 2 categories of people, the kind who use their minds and those who don’t.
46:38 is probably the best summation of Rip's argument. He doesnt provide a whole lot of evidence for it as much as he just makes assertions but this is where he's most specific. Now i don't know the science so well but Pavel often points out that strength is a skill often and this seems to be in tension with Rip's 2 factor model. The basic version as i understand it is that we can execute a movement with greater force through tearing muscle fibers or by changing the nervous system/brain. Through myelination, certain neural pathways and nervous system responses become more efficient and we grow stronger. Rip should dive into greater detail on this point that strength and skill are on entirely separate tracks instead of repeating the same basic assertions.
I love this guy... he's such a direct no bullshit asshole, I love this guy!! "...The sport you have chosen to compete in is just Not being Dead, Staying Alive, it's a very important sport, it's the one most of us participate in after we get out of school; now some of us stay in Master Swimming, some in mMaster's Lifting, you get to be fifty years old there are tennis leagues for old farts ..." LOVE this guy.
I would love to hear Rip's thoughts on neural adaptation for strength. I think it is generally accepted that phenomenons like Greasing the Groove and "farmer's strength", do exist and do work. It seems that those increases in strength result from long term exposure to submaximal efforts. They may not be the most time efficient ways to develop strength, but I'd like to hear his opinion on this aspect of strength development.
Farmer's strenght is just very specific strenght, unless the farmer is alone and runs the whole farm and has to do different movements with heavy loads. Usually manual labor means strong grip and forearms, strong shoulders and mabye a strong back. But again I think it's a specific adaptation to a repeated stress. If you start working at 18 and lift the same amount of weight and do the same movements, but you do it for 40 years, you are going to get strong in the long run.
He's discussed the situation individuals who perform manual labor find themselves in. Basically said the bricklayer who carries a hundred pounds of brick everyday for 12 hours doesn't get stronger. Strength is your ability to produce force against an external resistance, & you don't build strength by becoming more proficient at exerting force against the same resistance for the same duration of time. What the bricklayer develops is muscular endurance, & skill. Performing extremely sub-maximal(which, even for the untrained man, 100 pounds will be) activity for an extended period of time is a skill you develop by subjecting yourself to it. Your endurance improves as a result of this, & if you are untrained, you can initially build a minute amount of muscle doing it. He went on to say that increasing the bricklayers strength using his approach will make that work easier by making it even more sub-maximal. But, ultimately, little strength or muscle is developed through manual labor.
I like kettlebells, to me there dumbbell replacement that you can do "conditioning" with. plus they don't encourage you to do many curls unlike dumbbells.
Tiger Woods, Bryson DeChambeau or Brooks Koepka or Rory McIlroy the golfers hit the ball longer and got better players after strength training (not hypertrophy workouts) All number one players.
I have to use kettle bells since I work on an oil rig and a gym is too far away. Kettle bells are useful for getting an intense workout with minimal equipment. I do miss barbells, though. I was stronger then.
When it comes to kettlebells, lets hope that one day, Mark doesn't take things out of context, and bastardize the facts. I'd love to see Mark press a 106 pound kettlebell overhead 10 times in a row, with each hand. How about snatch a 70 pound kettlebell? Can Mark snatch a 70 pound kettlebell for reps? Yeah.
There is no real world movement where you snatch things into the air that Ive ever seen in the USA or overseas. Unlike the OHP, where Ive seen and utilized in the USA and overseas.
commuting, i get asked alot why i dont go to another place of work and make more money... i work 10 minutes away from home if i hit both lights.. i value my "free time" more then any amount of money
Same here man... I work at home for two to four hours a day, and make my own schedule, people don't value freedom until they taste it. I am 51 and can squat 455 lbs, DL495, 8-12 chins, etc ... all that is possible because of the freedom I have to do what it takes. I hear all my neighbours leaving and coming and going EARLY and dealing with kids telling them to fuck off, etc.... and THEY tell me why don't I get my girlfriend to live with me, or get a "real" job even though I make more than they do. They say their job gives them "stability" and mine is not a sure thing... go figure!! often it is them who ask me for loans!! Incredible.
Hi Mark,
I really enjoyed your video. I hope God gives you a long healthy life so you can continue to inspire humans to be physically strong.
I am from the UK and recently the National Health Service (which is UK large free social health service) has implemented in their guidelines for newly diagnosed cancer patient that they must join a gym within 48h to begin a strength and HIIT training programme. The reason being is that it has shown being physically strong and conditioned before cancer treatment, patients are better prepared to undergo chemo-radio therapy and surgery. In addition, their recovery rate is fast and do not require to spend as much time in recovery if they come into the treatment strong and fit.
Only now the medical community have realised the huge benefits strength has on your cancer prognosis and other health conditions.
I wish the health and fitness would focus on strength and condition through training the big compound lifts as voiced in SSBBT.
Thank you for your help.
Mo
Joe rogan needs to get Rip on his podcast!!
We should all go to Joe Rogan and spam his comment section saying he needs to get RIP on
James Irvin he has
No Joe the Toe in Idaho.
rogan is garbage, only good for drugs, be it anabolics or other
Joe Rogan doesn't want another actual alpha male on his podcast
This is so true. Get stronger to improve everything. I'm not quite as old as Rip but I'm close and been involved at all levels of strength training individuals for over 3 decades. Thanks for spreading the word guys.
I think we should let them push all the "fluffy" workouts...keeps the squat racks and benches open and available!
I love the fact that everyone thinks kai greenes big chest workout will work for them because the racks are almost always open at my gym
@Becoming Godsize only if youre a member at my gym haha
Hahahha. I will encourage people in my gym to do functionals so I can have the rack to my self
Amen!
Unfortunately plenty of those doofuses still come to the racks and platforms because some influencer mentioned doing a curtsey with a barbell
We are huge proponents and supporters of Rip and Starting Strength in general. We believe in the power of the deadlift, bench press and squat and use it on a daily basis with our clients. When it comes to Kettlebells, I'd like to share some constructive feedback to what is said in the podcast.
1) Kettlebells are a fad
Depending on the sources, we can date kettlebells back into the 17th century. Strength equipment that survived this long is not usually considered as a fad - if we put american/russian politics aside.
2) Kettlebell is not strength training
It's probably not in a typical sense since there is a ballistic component involved (as Rip mentioned) and Russians do consider kettlebells as a form of cardio. Aside from the TGU however, there are more exercises that intentionally avoid the ballistic component and therefore can be judged strictly as a form of strength training; such as the goblet squat or the strict press.
Even ballistic movements like the Clean & Press or the Long Cycle require a proper amount of force production especially from the legs and don't depend on ballistics alone. Specifically at the point when both kettlebells are in the rest position prior to the dip, jerk and overhead fixation.
Finally, providing the kettlebell swing as the main exercise to build strength from a kettlebell training point of view wouldn't be the right exercise in the first place. Even though it's the most popular, I'd rather use the Clean & Press (or the mentioned long cycle) in that regard.
3) How to build strength for kettlebells
The question probably should be rephrased since kettlebells are not a question of raw force production alone.
Pressing or snatching a heavy kettlebell (28 kg+) overhead for example can certainly be achieved with raw strength. However, the best way to "become stronger/better with kettlebells" would be to improve the technique itself (juding from the girevoy/ kettlebell sport style of view).
Anecdotally speaking, I'm now able to clean & press the 28 kg for a certain amount of reps because I've been working on my technique and not by getting stronger on my deadlift, squat nor bench press. We see the same results with our clients as well.
Enjoy the holidays guys; looking forward to more content in 2020!
Well Brad Gillingham (world champion powerlifter) and Dr. Stuart McGill are both proponents of kettle bells, especially for the therapeutic benefits they provide.
@@boydmccollum692 Thank you for the wel-balanced rebuttal to Rip's claims on this issue. I thought he was selling KBs short. And they really aren't a fad the was Crossfit and functional training are.
The point is that if you did get your deadlift up, you could clean and press more than the 28kg KB you’re doing now. You can clean and press more than 28kg on a bar in a couple weeks. And ya can’t squat a 150kg KB.
with all due respect 28kg is nothing, i can press that and i'm weak af
@@jorjicostava3018 lol 28kg is a joke. Rip promotes the barbell lifts as that's his model. I support that too. KB never got me strong like barbells.
I play billiards and getting stronger has certainly improved my game. I notice increased stability in contorted positions as well as increased stamina. Having a strong back and strong hands and forearms is a huge advantage since most billiard players don’t train.
Why tf would you do such a dumb thing with your time?
Are you trolling? Can't tell
After years of touch and go experiences with the Starting Strength Method, this video has, finally, for some reason, convinced me. I am amazed by my own ability to make excuses for myself.
If I had to commute an hour and forty-five minutes to work, I would DEFINITELY listen to Rip the whole time.
Saddest part of my commute is his podcast ending and im not there yet
I have to listen at 1.75 time speed
This channel is a hidden gem. Great work guys. ❤
I was a competitive swimmer in high school - a sprinter. The summer before my senior year I weight lifted religiously in the afternoon and ran a fast paced 1.5 miles in the morning. I was in incredible shape when swimming started in the fall. I got my fastest times in the 50 yard freestyle. Of course everything when to pot when my coach had me swimming endlessly and doing no strength training.
As a fellow athlete, I empathize with you and I have a similar story. I am a professional couch potato (well technically a bed potato since I'm broke and I don't own a couch and sit on my bed all day). After going through Rip's linear novice strength progression, I've noticed that sitting on my behind all day and doing absolutely nothing else has become much easier, and I have much more stamina too (now I can sit for an hour longer before I have to lie down from sheer exhaustion). That means I can now watch an entire movie on my laptop in one sitting, instead of just single episodes of my favourite TV shows and cartoons. Thanks Rip.
Mark, to your golf example, I have a story. I began your program about 3 weeks ago and got to session #7. At 67 years old my weights are modest but improving at 5 lbs per workout. Last week our Oregon gyms closed because of COVID. I went to play golf (5 handicap) with my buddies one bright November morning. It was 40 degrees. I had zero warmup. I swung an "Orange Whip" a couple of times and then hit my first tee drive as long as on a hot summer day, and straight! As a cold, stiff old guy that first drive shouldn't have gone very well. I have only the Starting Strength Program to blame. By next Spring things could be pretty phenomenal!
Still training and how's it going?
@@tommyharris5817 Still waiting for that reply?
My father was a competitive runner till his late 70'e. Innumerable trophies. His heart enlarged and would pause
He got a pacemaker, beginning of the end. He died hard. He avoided heavy weight training as he did not want to become "muscle bound." Thank you Kenneth Cooper founder of "Aerobics "..
Are you implying Orthodox Weight Lifting causes those problems?
Kennith Cooper was a real a-hole. Pompous, arrogant guy who thought he knew everything. He did not.
A lot of competing runners do some sort of weight training. Are you saying competitive running gave your dad a bad heart? There are a lot of people who never exercise with enlarge hearts. Stamina without strength is worthless. Strength with out stamina is worthless. Rip never mentions this. Cross fitters and people who do kettlebells can do the power lifting workouts he mentions, but can power lifters (Rip) do hi rep kettlebells and cross fit? Remember no belts or suits.
@@jonklein7130 they could do It in a few weeks
@@HelloSpyMyLie do what in a week?
Thank you, Starting Strength. You put out the absolute best information in the online "fitness community." Rip dropping pearls of wisdom in these videos.
Pearl's of wisdom, good caption for the next podcast😉
@@giovannam925 Except they want their captions to be grammatically acceptable.
Your best content in months. This is the Rip I signed up for
You may have gotten me in trouble with your conversation about the commute. At the end of it, she turns to me and says " You don't like me?" Thanks for the new complication.
"...a young strong guy is capable of EVERYTHING physical, whereas a guy who ONLY runs is capable of running, and that's all...there's a greater return on investment from getting strong that pursuing ANY OTHER avenue of accumulating a PHYSIOLOGICAL adaptation, in training... it makes more sense to take that amount of time and get stronger than do anything else; now, once you're stronger, what can you do?? EVERYTHING better..."
Best concise truest statement in favour of lifting weights for STRENGTH.
I tell this same feeling to all people I know, but never as precise as this one statement.
This is my favorite RUclips video, by far! Thank you, Mr. Rippetoe, for sharing your knowledge and wisdom!
None of my doctors told me to lose weight even though I was almost 280 lbs at under six feet tall, with high blood pressure. Granted, I've been lifting for 12 years or so. The doctors wanted to treat the symptoms rather than the cause. I lost about 20lbs, quit drinking and my blood pressure has improved by 20% systolic. Point being, look at what could be the root cause of your problems, people are out for money and that may tamper with their methods of helping you.
Lol when I was pregnant 27 years ago 5'6 200lbs! Doctor just said keep doing what you are doing. They still say that now 54yr 15l lbs. 14%bf, though I would like to be lower, but that is my problem, lol. Stay strong, stay healthy. 😎😉💪🏾💪🏾🚴🏿♂️🚶🏾♀️🐕🏋🏾♀️🚵🏾♀️🏍
Rip is obese.
Sounds like you need better doctors -lifestyle modification is literally the first-line therapy for hypertension in evidence-based medicine. Nobody gets fat kickbacks for prescribing cheap generic antihypertensives.
Treating the symptoms works. The problem is the buildup of other symptoms and the limits to symptom treatments.
@@senselessnothing Treating symptoms in conjunction with targeting the underlying cause if possible depending on the situation. I didn't need to. It's about sustainability. I don't have cancer or something.
I used kettlebells extensively and effectively in two situations. First, for rehab and second when I was a fighter. Olympic/power lifting did not give me the endurance I needed in the ring. Kettlebells did. And there's no way I will do Olympic lifts for high reps.
Exactly! Depending on how the implements are used they can be for strength and development or endurance. I phased out all benches, racks bars and plates the more I gravitated more to kettlebells.
And here I am training fighters specifically focusing on high rep barbell complexes.
@@DerekFrohlich How's that working out performance wise? Just curious about their results.
@@davidtrevino5211 the last guy I put on it doubled his output in 4 weeks. In the ring he outworked his opponent. Threw exclusively bombs for 2.5 rounds till his opponents corner threw in the towel. He never came close to gassing. Fight was @ 185 Muay Thai
@Raimonster Couldn't agree more, well put. I find that the largest difficulty i have training high performing athletes is 1) minimizing the interference effect. And 2) finding the bare minimum they can do to maintain a trained system while they focus on a different one.
His tips are great and I love hearing him speak
"I've never done cocaine..." (immediately scratches his moustache underneath his nose)
point in video ? lol
When people scratch their nose or rub their eyes and mouth when they make a statement it *can* be an indicator of deception.
@@Cp0455 I mean where, what point in the video did u see this
@@blazecarr 5:45ish
@@Cp0455 🤣 interesting
Starting Strength 3rd Ed folds up and fits under my bed.
😂
I use light kettlebells as a warm up tool. I do swings ,cleans, snatches, etc to wake up my old body before I get under the bar.
I think kettlebells became popular probably a) the mystique (we’ve all heard stories about elite Russian athletes) b) convenience (not many people have space for a power rack in their residences but kbells can be stuck back in the closet when you’re done) and c) more fun than boring cardio machines.
If you read the history provided by Pavel, he states that kbells were popular in the Soviet military due to them being cheaper alternative to barbells and power racks and providing good enough fitness for soldiers. Like anything take it with a grain of salt. Personally, I view it as Olympic lifting made easy. An Olympic snatch has a lot of moving parts and should be coached to make sure you avoid injury and improper technique. A kettlebell has a much wider room for error while providing most of the benefits in interested in. That being said, even Pavel acknowledges that barbell training is superior to kettlebells for making someone stronger.
MrRolyat98 I think that kettlebells are attractive to people who don’t have a clue how to accumulate strength. They’re also attractive to people who want to be seen doing something that appears impressive.
dafunkmonster i think kettlebell is not for to get strong but for more GPP. i do powerlifting and i do kettlebell. u cant use a drill to cook a potato. different tools for different purpose
@@dafunkmonster I believe they're also attractive to people who are concentrating more on human movement . As opposed to those who are looking more into gaining strength.
@Raimonster You can do all with kettlebells. Do you do a chin-up with a barbell? Lol
Re3iRtH I think kettle bells are great for gpp work, but you can’t compare me kettlebell squatting 45 lb for reps to me 305 barbell squat for reps. I think both have their place but you can’t get anywhere near as strong with a kettlebell squat
Ripptoe is the best!!! His voice backs his word
Kettlebells are made for everything, presses, squats, rows and whatever you want. Kettlebells are NOT crossfit shit, I workout mostly with kettlebells and I grew a lot of muscle, strength and endurance during these last years, you know how? Lifting kettlebells, heavy kettlebells, in the proper fucking way, as they are meant to be used for, rising the weight as I got stronger, because kettlebells my friend, are NOT meant to be small gym tools for skinny vegan crossfit nerds to swing them and believe they're strong. Wrestlers, at least in eastern Europe and Russia have been ALWAYS using kettlebells for training. The first bodybuilders like Sandow, Sigmund Klein or Georg Hackenschmidt used kettlebells too. Kettlebells makes you stronger the same fucking way bulgarian bags, dumbbells, or barbells or machines does. I've never seen this cringy thing of classifying gym tools and ways of training in what does work and what doesn't, what's conventional and what's not without knowing really what they're talking about, in any other place but the US.
If you think kettlebells doesn't work it's because you don't know how to use them.
Kettlebells @1:02:26
As a counter point - you can get pretty strong with kettlebell cleans, presses and squats. Combine these into doubles monster lifts and you have a complete body developer.
Of course, barbells will always be king for strength in absolute terms.
"Anything that folds up and stores under your bed is bullshit.". 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's concerning because I am able to fold up under my bed.
@@teslafreak lmfao
@@teslafreak how tho
@@mihailmilev9909 My bed is on risers, it's not very low :-)
does this include bunk beds for Baba,s ?
Great leveling explanation on CrossFit. It peaked my interest years ago but only enough to notice that the movements concerned me. Some are just unbelievably stupid. I am also not a gym go’er but do train using powerlifting at home and have achieved many goals, injury free. I workout to feel better so injuries are the wrong direction.
Never heard kettlebell proponents say you should swing one for 10 minutes to build strength.
Jamie Wildhaber Yeah, more like do a set with as much power production possible.
THEN, walk around shaking it out for 5-8 min before doing next set.
In Pavel’s book Enter the Kettlebell, he actually recommends 12 minutes of swings. You swing until you can’t anymore, take a walk and come back to the wait when you can breathe again. I’m not saying it’s good or bad, just saying I have seen it recommended
@@chancedriscoll5350 but does he say this is the recommended way to specifically "build strength".
When is Rip's book "Starting Walking" going to be released?
Starting Walking will be tailored for intermediates who have graduated from SS and built the proper strength foundation for walking.
One of the things that Pavel has said is that based on Soviet sports science, lots of volume with a submaximal weight will increase strength. Dan John has confirmed this through his experience both personal and coaching athletes. I was also skeptical of this until I tried it myself. Rip also does what he does best and that is he creates a strawman. While it is true that athletes who compete in kettlebell sport, known as "girevoy sport," try to accumulate as many reps as possible in 10 minutes, this is not what Pavel recommends. Pavel recommends 5-10 reps with a kettlebell that is heavy for the particular person. Strong guys would be able to use a 32 kg KB but I seriously doubt they would be able to snatch a 32 for 10 minutes straight.
The KB is a good tool to develop power without the learning curve of the Olympic lifts. I am a huge fan of the Olympic lifts and consider myself an Olympic weightlifter so I am not putting down the lifts. However, in order to get the most benefit from the lifts technique needs to be decent - not perfect but decent. A KB can be learned in 5 minutes. Buy or make a T handle and you can load the movement to well over 200 lbs. I would bet that a novice could attain a 200 lbs. swing faster than they could attain a 200 lbs. power clean.
Correct, but what else you expect Rip to say? He is selling something. Even if Rip agreed with you and I it's not in his financial (or any) interest to say so.
Lol swinging a kettle bell is the same as a clean? Dude ur hilarious
How is swinging a kettlebell the same as a damn clean? I love bells, but come on!
@@imcoleyourenot8391 this guy gets it.
You're missing the point, swinging kettlebells around doesn't use as much muscle mass, range of motion, or allow for you to gain strength above the weight you have.
Just ask yourself this:. "does swinging a 45 lbs dumbbell make you stronger than squatting 315?"
Can’t be explained any more simply than this!!! Love this channel!
But the Chuck Norris total gym
The funnest way to do cable chest flys.
You mean the "We'll pay you an insane amount of money to say you use our stupid exercise equipment designed for invalids" infomercial?
Chuck doesn’t need to be strong. He just would stare you down.he commands the 700 lb barbell to come off the ground and so it does
I have a cage and a TotalGym. Thats a great machine. I totally rehabbed my shoulder on a totalgym. Great for shoulders and arms.
@@jmc0369 Nope
This episode is a symbolic retaliatory drive-by shooting conducted on Pavel's recent guest appearance on JRE.
On a serious note, I've been waiting for you to talk in depth on this subject for a very long time.
The Depraved Epoch I thought the same
I've seen the JRE clip in my recommended list, but as I already know the answer to the question of that video title I didn't bother.
I do like coverage of problems though.
Pavel said "You can't add 5 lbs to ____ lift. The rate of adaptation is such that it just doesn't work" but doesn't explain why or how. Lol.
Jaberwock33 he said it works for a awhile but adaptation will eventually slow down and not work.
Jaberwock33 he said it doesn’t work forever otherwise you’d be world champion by christmas, which is 100% true
I agree with his assessment of kettlebells from his purely strength perspective. However, kettlebells are not about maximizing strength, they are about work output. The anecdote about the kettlebell champion who wouldn’t squat all the way sounds problematic. I’ve never met a kettlebeller who doesn’t make an attempt to go ass to grass on their squats.
Sport of not being dead that’s what I’m training for 😆
Nice discussion!
But some questions/remarks (sport-specific practice is tennis in my case). I understand that strength training the way you advocate it, can help tremendously. and decloupling strength-training from tennis practice is practical, certainly if you only have a couple of exercises (sq/dl/pr/bpr/pclean/psnatch). This is great!
But on the other hand, you also need other qualities than pure strength and power and i find that kettlebell swings for example can give you muscular endurance, it also works on power and explosiveness depending on the speed with which you execute and you can do a lot of rotational exercise variants (which is not the case with the classic barbell exercises that are advocated). That's why I also program medicine ball throws (next to kettlebell-swings), where we can also play with footstances and tennis-specific movement patterns before the catch of the ball. It could be argued that this is sport-specific training.
At some point, weighted swings and ankle weights are mentioned and laughed upon. They may not make you strong in the sense of strength training, but if you do them and then you repeat the same actions without them, everything feels lighter and it feels like you can actually hit harder when the racket is suddenly lighter (and assuming you have the technique and timing to do faster swings and still hit the bal cleanly) and that you are faster on first step when you remove ankle-weights. I cannot prove this, but i wouldn't want to take them out of a tennis-program, because if you do these exercises, you really feel the difference. To me, these kind of exercises are a kind of sport-specific application of acquired power-capabilities (being able to move your bodyweight faster, or accelerate the racket-weight harder).
When you refer to functional training and the "bosu"-ball in an ironical way: i like to add the bosu-ball or doing squats or (single leg) romanian deadlifts on stability pads because it trains balance and stability and learns you to move your centermass over your base of support in more variations than classic strength-training (your leg(s) and their stance on the ground).
The main difficulty is the programming and periodization to do the strength and power programs while you're practising sport specific also for hours.
Nice content, and i understand your strength arguments, but i feel that the other forms of training like kettlebells and functional training provide additional benefits, which can carry over in sport-specific skills (certainly the case for tennis)
I agree with you lol in fact I also stated that as a boxer sure being strong and getting stronger is great when I weight lift but technique is key! You can be strong but you’re body may not know how to function properly or to it’s full potential when throwing a punch unlike when you practice functional movements that help with that you may not get stronger from building more muscle but from neuromuscular adaptation we’re your nervous system gets stronger at producing force in that movements in fact Lateral flexion and anti rotation both are key for rotational sport athletes. Rotational movements often require an intense stretch through the core; as a consequence of hip and shoulder separation. To optimize performance and prevent injury, athletes must develop strength in those positions. So I see what Rip is talking about but you have to realize functional training is just standing on a body ball and causing instability but it’s more of exercises that work several muscle groups simultaneously. Functional training helps with stabilizer muscles which are a huge help when it comes to strength training. In fact coming from rehab a bosu ball will come in handy along side with unique weights but if you notice therapy doesn’t just consist of functional training but also resistance training. Functional training improves balance, agility and muscle strength, and mobility which can all help with traditional strength training. They also help reduce the risk of falls. Yea strength training is great for performance but keep in mind they’re always exceptions, if you go to the circus and see these people balance on balls. They don’t practice that by just doing leg strength exercises, yea im sure they have done strength exercises to get stronger but they also practice on a lot of unstable surfaces because for them it’s a necessity while for us who the hell balances on a ball every day? Not many people unless your hiking and you like jumping on rocks sure some single leg stability exercises will help but you have to realize functional training is the classification of exercise which involves training the body for the activities performed in daily life. Because functional training focuses on training movements not muscles, but I mean if you’ve never done functional training and you always do strength training you’ll see some growth in functional since it’s a new stimulus for a bit. But at the end of the day the best thing you can do is functional bodybuilding(or strength resistance) training combine to have a lot of power and strength but also have great mobility and agility for your daily movements.
Hey the best exercise is the one you like...its the one you will do.
That punching the ticket scenario is spot on and hilarious 😂
KBs are not just about lifting on time. You can lift heavy bells too for low reps and progress as you would do with barbell. You can also use them for many exercises just like dumbbells. (rows, bench, curls etc.)
heavy kettlebell swings are money for improving deadlift lockout, also burns calories and improves endurance, they're just another tool in the toolbox
Yep..I am using them and rdl to help with my deadlift
Crush, your 75 * 32 kg kettlebell swings. That's awesome.
I 've seen a guy doing a 90kg kettlebell shoulderpress from standstill. Now, that's strength.
Would like to see somebody do a 90kg kettlebell snatch. Without a swing of ofcourse.
@CrusherSaiyanCorps that's not strength training because it's too light for you, not because kettlebell training isn't strength training
@Crusher Corps Get a heavier kettlebell then.......that's the fault of your gym not having a heavier one, not the fault of kettlebell training itself
Can I get abs if I send a little electro shock into my stomach cavity through the skin? Saw it on an infomercial on the Boomer tube last night.
Based in China just look up The Russian on regular show
"Coments .... From... The haters........" I love it! :)
You obviously don't know how crossfitters train and program. You really shouldn't comment on aspects you don't understand. The contests are random, the training isn't.
Becoming strong from the SSLP helped me with my 3 point shots in basketball dramatically. I just wish I had figured that out when I was in high school instead of at age 25 when that sort of marksmanship won't, and shouldn't for moral and legality reasons, get you any fun time with the homecoming queen.
My high school's weight training program was pathetic. We wasted so much time on periodized training with max charts on novices. A complete avoidance of teaching and doing the deadlift for fear of injuring our lower backs despite having us do hang-cleans and... picking the damn bar up off the floor. All of the bars were bent as well, so they would pop out of your hands during the pull or the rack. They were probably bent due to irresponsible programming of heavy rack pulls. Because we didn't do deadlifts, our grip strength was not even sufficient for the hang cleans, so we used leather straps to hold on. We did seated overhead "military" presses for no apparent reason. Squat form was atrocious and rarely to full depth with feet forward and "eyes up to go up" cues. Pullup form was nonexistent, and it resembled Crossfit kipping. Isometric body weight holds (planks, hand stands) were in vogue because it "filled up your muscles" or some BS like that. We also did bench burnouts, steering wheel shoulders, agility ladders, and other useless things. I think it was to just keep us entertained. One particular summer we even did a P90X program.
The track weight lifting program in college was not any better. They had us read a book from Istvan Javorik, a previous D1 football trainer at Texas A&M, and there was no apparent explanation for the training program's methodology. It was pulled, in my opinion, from his ass at random, similar to CrossFit. There was even a section dedicated to the benefits of herbal teas that boiled down to basically his opinion. The program ran me into the ground, and all I did was get skinnier as a sprinter. Both Istvan and our track coach Lester were lucky guys who were made to look good by the freak athletes they had the good fortune to be coaching.
Thanks to kettlebells I know how to hinge for the Olympic lifts when I started out. Plus it is good for core strength. What’s wrong with it
Would like Mark to discuss about kettlebells with Pavel Tsatsouline or Steve Kotter.
Nothing wrong...but I think the answer is you would get “stronger” by being able to lift heavier and heavier weights. Not sure if 200 lbs kb exist for instance... it’s easier to load a bar etc
Joe Wieder was thesis, crossfit was antithesis, rippetoe is synthesis, and his is the dominant fitness paradigm now
If I understand between training and practice, here are my 2cents as a runner... Strength Training would be weights (i.e. squats, deadlifts etc.) and core. This would create stronger runner that would be able to execute the practice sessions for running.
Practice would be practicing at different paces and distances (i.e. speed sessions, lactate threshold sessions, etc.) in order for the Performance you're aiming for (i.e. 10000m track race, marathon, etc.)
Training involves the acquisition of an adaptation. Strength can be trained, but endurance is also an adaptation. Metabolic/structural changes are taking place in training.
Practice would be the honing of a skill, like a baseball pitch or a heavy snatch. Practice is only the specific application of the adaptation you acquired *through training*
“Strength Training would be weights (i.e. squats, deadlifts etc.) and core.”
There is no “core” training you can do that will strengthen your abs and back faster than squats and deadlifts.
Force = Mass x Acceleration. So, assuming an athlete has the god given ability to accelerate then increasing muscle mass will only produce more force. I supposed there is an upper limit where being too heavy will limit acceleration and slow down force production but my guess is that’s further off then we think and we might not be able to train to that level anyway. So, yes, he’s absolutely correct.
My sport is trying to stay alive , LOL. Thanks Ripp I now know my purpose.
thank you Mr Ripptoe
I combined barbell training and kettlebell training. I just love them both so much for different and similar reasons.
We talkin bout practice.
Alan Iverson has entered the chat.
Don't you mean Allen Iverson has left the chat?
I used to drink a 6 pack of beer with every workout and became a raging alcoholic, but I was in great shape.
LOL!
If whats-his-bucket in the background is gonna talk, they ought to mic him up so we can hear the stuff he's saying. Otherwise it sounds like Rip is talking to the voices in his head.
Unless someone has done kettlebells for a period of time, how valid is their opinion (RIP). He says strength is how much you can do one time. Why can’t strength be how much you can do five times? Is he saying that people who can swing 80 pound kettle bells are not strong? It is weight resistance, not only will kettlebells make you stronger but they work your heart and lungs so it is functional. What good is it if you can deadlift 500 pounds but you cannot run a quarter mile without getting out of breath and your heart beating out of your chest? What good is strength without stamina? Rip knows strength but his opinion on kettlebells is way off so is his opinion on running.
Using kettle bell as a auxiliary exercise I can do Multiple get ups with the 88 lb. bell. . They may not technically be strength exercises, but are so darn unenjoyable , get ups have to be good for you.
kettlebell swings are also very good for your posterior chain, your squats and deadlifts will benefit from that.
Thanks for clearing this up for me.
Just started listening or actually watching this episode. Such an interesting start right away. You talk about people who have a loooong commute to and from work. I met a few who do this daily and sometimes I couldn't believe the amount of driving time. I must have looked at them as if they're crazy and I actually think they are crazy. These people can't have a life. I'm talking about them having a boring office job and driving 1.5 hours one way and 1.5 hours back and I think this is a minimum amount of time, because then there's the near-endless traffic congestions in which you sit staring at the same litter-strews roadside and the same car in front of you for ages.
The people who sit in a car for hours straight daily also look like jelly; their body has shaped itself to accommodate being glued to a seat. Their mind is unusually dull, as they sit stupefied a good portion of their life listening to some hack on the radio, I mean a mainstream radio station blaring generic pop music and politically correct tidbits in between and lots of commercials for crap. At home, these people eat microwave fodder like pizza every day or they call some crummy place to have food delivered in plastic containers. They eat while watching TV, probably CNN or something.
Anyway, Epstein sure didn't kill himself, but it sure is good the planet is one pedo down. Perhaps the killer(s) drove hours to get to him and if so, good for them. I would have liked to hear the conversation along the way.
Bob: "So I'm gonna grab the fucker by his feet and you gonna smash his skull against the bunk?"
Bill: "No, I told you I'm gonna grab him by his feet and you gonna put your big hands around his neck. You was hired for your hands. You still work in that welding factory?"
Bob: "Yeah, and before I was a car-repairman. All day long I worked the wrenches. First time I killed somebody, I was even surprised by the strength in my hands. I crushed his skull like it was a--"
Bill: "Ah, fuck, road's closed up ahead. Now we gonna have to take a detour and that takes much longer. Epstein will live a bit longer. I hate driving. Turn on the radio, willya? Maybe they have a new poll showing Trump ahead in every state save California and New York. You know the guy we're about to off is a Democrat? Big-time donor. Can't wait to see you choke the life out of him. I hope his feet don't smell. Maybe we ought to chop them off and bring them back home for the dogs to play with."
Bob: "My Polly would love to chew on them Jew feet. Swell idea, Bill."
White Wolf dude I live near Seattle and I’m surrounded by these chuckleheads. Ive only been here a couple years and all I can think about is how dumb it is the hardship that people put themselves through to live in a dump of a city. A city that’s incredibly overpriced and overpopulated. To buy shit they don’t need. I know some of those slobs that you described. They pay me to do shit they don’t want to do on the side. Like cutting their grass. They pay people to basically raise their kids. To make their damn food. All because they are just too tired and stressed from making all that money. It’s a joke and an unhealthy obsession of complexity.
Haha great story too 😂
It’s exactly as expected, a 30lb kettlebell. This is straight from the box, no issue with appearance and no problem with the grip. Good buy for the price.
This video was preceded by a Rogue Fitness CrossFit Ad to me.
Mushrooms do not make you vomit. You are thinking of something like AYAHUASCA which is totally unrelated. Mushrooms grow here in the UK I can get on my bike to a local field, about 15 minutes, pick hundreds. Will they change your life - I think so, yes, they can have a profound effect. But so does powerlifting... there is a certain overlap, there is a certain intensity involved, a certain sharpening , a certain overcoming of fear, demanding resilience, demanding overcoming discomfort, coming through the other side. Take running a 5k hard for a PR. It feels horrible. But afterwards you feel great. Maybe the theme is overcoming.
Not everyone has the goal of weight training or bodybuilding. Some people just want to get physically fit and lose weight. HIIT can help with that, especially for people who are not already at a high level of fitness. HIIT and strength training are simply two different tools. It doesn't have to be a choice between one or the other.
Maybe their job that requires a 3.5 hour round trip travel pays significantly more than anything within a 60-90 minute round trip commute. That type of commute is worth a 50-100% pay increase in my opinion
Zillionth repeat of Rip's *usual* stuff
But don't mind periodic revision
And always love Rip's commentary, whatever the subject 😂
The resistance load profile of Kettlebells has similarity with cables and bands. And I found it an excellent tool to have check boxed in the Arsenal.
The Dave Ramsey of fitness
What’s with the right shakes, every now and again may wanna get that checked out..... jus sayn
At what age do you mean kids? And what age do you think these athletes should start the strength training?
I'm concerned with figure and hockey skaters. Most of the skill they learn is at a young age.
i think kettlebell is not for to get strong but for more GPP. i do powerlifting and i do kettlebell. u cant use a drill to cook a potato. different tools for different purpose
40:28 I've seen the kettlebell community offer some criticism of this video but not the admittedly smaller heavy club community. Heavy clubs are certainly not a fad as they're about as old as civilization itself. Secondly heavy clubs, like kettlebells, punch substantially above their weight since they require much greater force production than their actual weight suggests. They dont weigh 5 oz and they will make you stronger.
How would you do this program as a fighter trying maintain his weight ?
I could watch Rip’s thumbs talk for hours.
Hahhahahahah
I've read a bit about Mark and I'm really suprised to be hearing so much wrong with this video.
Barbell workouts are great and when you want absolute strength or size. Those are the way to go. But strength isn't one dimensional.
He says that you don't improve in sports by doing strength training that mimics what you would be doing in said sport. That's absolutely not true. Anyone who has boxed will tell you. You don't increase punching power by doing barbell movements. You do it by hitting the heavy bag. Many boxing coaches will even discourage barbell training.
There's so much misinformation about what functional training and functional training is. Functional training will give you functional strength. Or as many call it, real world strength. Functional strength is not standing on a buso ball with a dumbbell. Functional training can be anything from a barbell squat to a kettlebell farmers walk.
There's a reason that Pro MMA fighters use kettlebells so much. They work.
A 495lbs bench press may be impress in the gym. But does little for you in a boxing ring or MMA cage. But Turkish Get Ups with a kettlebell or ballistic training with a medicine ball can make the difference between winning a fight and getting your clock cleaned.
Barbells have their place but they are no longer the cornerstone of strength training for all sports. I wish people would educate themselves and realize this.
Old school boxing coaches discouraged weight training because of old wives tales that lifting heavy weights would bulk you up and slow you down which we now know is simply not true. But a lot of people still cling to old false notions.
Top episode
Absolutely gold content
Taking hallucinogens doesn't give you a window into hidden truths, it's just a hallucination....
So what? Hallucinogens aren't useful because they give you access to some hidden truth. They are useful because they let you view the world in a different way. They can turn the mundane nature of day to day life on its head and help the user see things in a novel way. That's their power.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER exactly
they can let you see the truths that are hidden in and by your own mind, like therapy
@@mihailmilev9909 some people think it’s a spectator sport like watching television, other people know it’s an exposition of meaning and understanding. It’s like 2 categories of people, the kind who use their minds and those who don’t.
are you saying, Chuck Norris' "Total Gym" is bullshit?
I do curls in the squat rack. You should too.
46:38 is probably the best summation of Rip's argument. He doesnt provide a whole lot of evidence for it as much as he just makes assertions but this is where he's most specific. Now i don't know the science so well but Pavel often points out that strength is a skill often and this seems to be in tension with Rip's 2 factor model. The basic version as i understand it is that we can execute a movement with greater force through tearing muscle fibers or by changing the nervous system/brain. Through myelination, certain neural pathways and nervous system responses become more efficient and we grow stronger. Rip should dive into greater detail on this point that strength and skill are on entirely separate tracks instead of repeating the same basic assertions.
Is there also an actual podcast?
I love this guy... he's such a direct no bullshit asshole, I love this guy!!
"...The sport you have chosen to compete in is just Not being Dead, Staying Alive, it's a very important sport, it's the one most of us participate in after we get out of school; now some of us stay in Master Swimming, some in mMaster's Lifting, you get to be fifty years old there are tennis leagues for old farts ..."
LOVE this guy.
Good Information Video
The longer these are, the better.
Strength is just one.. Pillar of fitness..health..And longevity.. Cant neglect other aspects
Rip need to invite Joe on Starting Strength Podcast
I would love to hear Rip's thoughts on neural adaptation for strength. I think it is generally accepted that phenomenons like Greasing the Groove and "farmer's strength", do exist and do work. It seems that those increases in strength result from long term exposure to submaximal efforts. They may not be the most time efficient ways to develop strength, but I'd like to hear his opinion on this aspect of strength development.
Farmer's strenght is just very specific strenght, unless the farmer is alone and runs the whole farm and has to do different movements with heavy loads. Usually manual labor means strong grip and forearms, strong shoulders and mabye a strong back. But again I think it's a specific adaptation to a repeated stress. If you start working at 18 and lift the same amount of weight and do the same movements, but you do it for 40 years, you are going to get strong in the long run.
He's discussed the situation individuals who perform manual labor find themselves in. Basically said the bricklayer who carries a hundred pounds of brick everyday for 12 hours doesn't get stronger.
Strength is your ability to produce force against an external resistance, & you don't build strength by becoming more proficient at exerting force against the same resistance for the same duration of time. What the bricklayer develops is muscular endurance, & skill.
Performing extremely sub-maximal(which, even for the untrained man, 100 pounds will be) activity for an extended period of time is a skill you develop by subjecting yourself to it. Your endurance improves as a result of this, & if you are untrained, you can initially build a minute amount of muscle doing it. He went on to say that increasing the bricklayers strength using his approach will make that work easier by making it even more sub-maximal. But, ultimately, little strength or muscle is developed through manual labor.
Magic mushrooms don't make you puke.
I think Rip was thinking of peyote.
How much does the fastest sprinters squat??
I like kettlebells, to me there dumbbell replacement that you can do "conditioning" with. plus they don't encourage you to do many curls unlike dumbbells.
Hell yes Rip! Awesome channel.
Preach it Rip!
The intro music slaps
Tiger Woods, Bryson DeChambeau or Brooks Koepka or Rory McIlroy the golfers hit the ball longer and got better players after strength training (not hypertrophy workouts)
All number one players.
gotta disagree with the kettlebells take, you can definitely build strength with heavy kettlebellss.
Exactly, try font squatting and clean and press double 48kg for reps, way harder than weight on barbell
This is by far Rip at his very best!
I have to use kettle bells since I work on an oil rig and a gym is too far away. Kettle bells are useful for getting an intense workout with minimal equipment. I do miss barbells, though. I was stronger then.
When it comes to kettlebells, lets hope that one day, Mark doesn't take things out of context, and bastardize the facts. I'd love to see Mark press a 106 pound kettlebell overhead 10 times in a row, with each hand. How about snatch a 70 pound kettlebell? Can Mark snatch a 70 pound kettlebell for reps? Yeah.
There is no real world movement where you snatch things into the air that Ive ever seen in the USA or overseas. Unlike the OHP, where Ive seen and utilized in the USA and overseas.
commuting, i get asked alot why i dont go to another place of work and make more money... i work 10 minutes away from home if i hit both lights.. i value my "free time" more then any amount of money
Same here man... I work at home for two to four hours a day, and make my own schedule, people don't value freedom until they taste it.
I am 51 and can squat 455 lbs, DL495, 8-12 chins, etc ... all that is possible because of the freedom I have to do what it takes.
I hear all my neighbours leaving and coming and going EARLY and dealing with kids telling them to fuck off, etc.... and THEY tell me why don't I get my girlfriend to live with me, or get a "real" job even though I make more than they do. They say their job gives them "stability" and mine is not a sure thing... go figure!! often it is them who ask me for loans!! Incredible.