Magnus vs Hans Chess DRAMA
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I love that even when Eric is just talking we have a nice chessboard to look at
It's comforting in a sense.
Who's winning here? What's the idea?
@@keyboard_toucher Pretty equal position I'd say, with a small advantage for White. The next few moves will be interesting.
@@adamleckius2253 Unless Hans is black. In that case, he is winning
This is all theory
Hikaru: That's the only thing I'm going to say...
Narrator: That's not the only thing he was going to say.
Lolol
Yeah Hikaru will always say more
His voice is so annoying. I don’t know how anyone watches his streams. Ever.
@@papalovegood7323 to be fair, considering he's p much an influencer at this point, saying things is p much his job
@@fruitygranulizer540 you're right, I was just thinking he always says "that's all I'm gonna say", and then a few minutes after chat convinces him to say more
"That wasn't the only thing Hikaru ended up saying." LMFAOOOO
As usual from Big Mouth Hikaru
Drama Queen Hiki
Please, put the period inside of the quotation marks next time.
"No Accent" . . . ?
"No Engine On" . . .?
Well, of course "Circumcision speaks for itself"
And of course how could I possibly ever hold on to a draw with a gentile . . .
I watched Hikaru talk about lettuce for 20 minutes one time.
I've seen Magnus do this in a documentary where they had a masked man play him with a secret chess engine. He played several moves and then when he was convinced it was a person with an engine he walked off and didn't speak.
I saw it as well he gave an interview about it…but the guy didn’t even know how to play chess…he was just like a random guy
“Don’t expect too many more of these”, a shame because this was the best breakdown by far. Everything else is disjointed af.
True
It would also be awesome if they brought the "grandmaster explains" series back
@@slickndstylish what do you think? Someone dressed up like hans and went and beat magnus?
@@slickndstylish ah ok. I almost wish that was what you were saying because im genuinely confused how anyone thinks that is relevant at all and would like to talk to someone who thinks that
@@brunch. he litterally said hey this probably has a good reason to it I’m just putting it out there because it’s weird
@@slickndstylish when did he say that
This could blow up to be the top chess scandal of all time. Pooja punching the air rn
🤣 underrated comment!
Kd1 by pooja was just too funny
@@watchingyoutube5093 lmaoooo gold standard kd1 move
who's Pooja
lmao
I cheat on my diet, I cheat on my taxes, I cheat on my wife, but I would NEVER cheat at chess. A brah knows better.
Thank you, Eric! As well as showing moments of brilliance in your games, you have in this video shown the most complete, fair & feeling assessment of what's going on here. There's a car dealership in the Boston area whose advert says "shop us last;" well, chess affectionados should watch this assessment last. Thanks again.
I'm so looking forward to hearing your take on Hans' interview after his game vs Lenier Dominguez! That's a pretty heavy one!
Oh jeez, what did he say now?
Really great summary without unnecessarily inflaming the situation at all. You would make a great journalist with that kind of ability. Impressive.
Watching Hikaru go from "that's all I'll say, my lips are sealed" to spearheading the accusations against Hans after realizing he was getting more viewers was pretty funny
I doubt that was the reason, I don't think he was being malicious, just irresponsible and dumb as he was having some fun with the drama and he really was leaning into trusting magnus' implications.
Funny or sad is the question…
That entire journey was about 30 seconds
It's not funny bro
Hikaru is the very definition of loose lips, he's got into way stupider beefs than this one. At least in this case he's beefing with a known cheater.
I remember when Kasparov thought that the Deep Blue team was cheating (in the 1997 match) because the machine seemed to be playing in a positional style. And then IBM wouldn't release any kind of machine logs so he became even more suspicious. It really threw his game off.
Kasparov thought that he played with machine, but it was kentaur...
It turns out that the Deep Blue team actually was cheating, in a sense. . By specifically programming the computer to play against Kasparov's style. They loaded all of Kaspys game into the computer.
@@reacher74 Deep Blue was calculating by brute force, using the Alpha-Beta prunning algorithm, which basically creates a 'tree' consisting all possible combinations of moves for X moves, and then instead of evaluating each and every outcome, it discards some of the variations if they are heavily unfavorable. In order to specifically program it to play with a certain style, you have to create a more 'intelligent' system, like a reinforced or supervised system that analyzes and learns from its mistakes. For deepblue, there was no 'style' but only evaluations for certain positions. And yes, those evaluations were calculated according to some other parameters which are derived from high level GM games, but that does not mean it specifically designed to match Kasparov's style.
They definitely didn't play on a level playing field. That much is sure.
@@burakmete5759 yes its called a minimax tree, the "cheating" term in general comes from the fact that specifically kasparov's games were fed to the machine and hence it adjusted its weights specifically against him, dubious claim still
Big Hiki and the Brahs broadcasting the whole drama was everything that i could ask for
Glimpses of Brilliance-- The Brahs (feat. Big Hiki)
Same 😂 especially love the part at 15:50, Eric roasted this guy so well - and 16:37 😂
Hiki didn't broadcast the drama - he incited it
This hack is just monetizing bullshit because he goes broke playing real tournaments.
@@diggitus 😂
You're level headed, articulate and keep up the good work.
Nicely balanced. Thank you Eric. I'd also love to hear your take on Han's interview after the Dominguez game.
Thanks for explaining and clarifying the situation from your perspective Eric. We really appreciate it. You mentioned the possibility of leaked prep, maybe this is the reason he withdrew, maybe not ? How could prep be leaked ? And even if it was leaked, how would it be of any use?
If your not a Lawyer, Solicitor, Barrister or Legal person you should be ! Well done !
If someone that Magnus discusses chess with gave his game plan to Hans, then Hans could run that through an engine and memorize the perfect moves to play. For someone at Hans rating, this would give them a very real chance to beat Magnus.
Be careful, Hikaru might try copyright striking those clips of audio xD
Lmao
Safe to say.
Think Hikky got copyright striked by Stl Chess Club today
He literally doesn't care 🤣
Hans is a robot that is piloted by danil dubov
Dubov has given up trying to defeat magnus and joined his inner circle to learn his preparation and him using the hans9000
Yes. This is the most plausible theory no one’s talking about.
😂😂😂
Has to be the funniest comment I've read regarding this topic, good one 😹.
I love how Hikaru injects himself into any drama whatsoever in the chess world. It’s entertaining af
Hikaru is the ultimate Chess Chad
Lmao he is the best for this type of thing, classic shit stirrer
Lol he’s so happy when there’s drama he gets a large influx of views
Hence the sensationalism
@@pugsondrugs6556 He’s smart. I will give him that
"Kids are shooting up like we've never seen before" -- EH'22
Lol
Lol
hence the war on drugs is a joke, lol jk
"I was just in India for a few weeks, didn't come back with an indian accent."
He should have slightly teased an accent first stream back.
@@hungrycrab3297 Yes very convincing a fake accent automatically means cheating in OTB chess. Genius.
The scanner would only detect RF devices that are on. It wouldn't detect a chess computer in the shoe, nor a device in airplane mode
Lol I said this in Cantys video and some guy said I was watching too much James Bond 🤷🏻♂️
Mini device that can be turned off and on with toes, or he somehow acquired prep.
@@hungrycrab3297 Ah yea just use that computer un front of cameras while u are in board playing chess at a quick pace, which is where hans beat magnus.. in the endgame
Do you think magnus played different at the end because he was suspicious and wanted to see his reaction to odd moves
Hans just outplayed him in the opening by transposing back to a line he knew, magnus couldn’t even start playing, felt pressured and collapsed. You can see that at the end hans didn’t have much time on the clock so for sure he couldn’t even try to cheat on the final moves. Most likely hans just played a very good game, he is like a top30 player worldwide
Probably demoralised that his prep got leaked and hence played poorly
@@adityavv96 where is this leaked prep stuff coming from and why are you spreading it further
"No Accent" . . . ?
"No Engine On" . . .?
Well, of course "Circumcision speaks for itself"
And of course how could I possibly ever hold on to a draw with a gentile . . .
@@robertfrippers In fact... everything about this is 100% speculation. Magnus never said he cheated lol... we are all just assuming based on a cryptic tweet.
Love the honesty and trying to be objective as possible when recapping the details to your viewers
If Magnus thinks he has a mole-it would entirely explain his withdrawing. He doesn’t want to give away rating while he has a spy in his camp and wants time to clean house…
But that doesn’t explain the increased security measures… with the wanding and 15 min delay…
It wouldn't explain anything, it makes ZERO sense for someone to leak an opening to Hans with black... If they wanted Magnus to lose points they would have leaked it to another top player with white.
Also there was nothing about the security here we haven't seen elsewhere, you act like it was a dramatic increase, it wasn't.
I think the mole idea does not make sense. IF someone did approach Hans from Magnus camp and offered this information, how would he know to trust them?
If he accepted, it as real and used that as his study and it turned out to be fake it would seriously hurt his chances even more. Also I think if someone from Magnus camp was seen with him that itself would be risky and there would have to be a lot of cloak and dagger stuff. The possibility that he got lucky and happened to do some good prep seems a lot more likely than any of this other stuff.
Excellent commentary Eric. Thorough, transparent, and honest. Appreciate your channel. Cheers from T.O
I feel like he took Anish and Caruana's speech patterns/accents, merged them, and created something that speaks for itself.
🤣
how does one cheat OTB? what are the various possible methods? just curious.
I noticed the change in speech patterns and the accent with Hans also, so glad you brought that up I thought I was going crazy lol!!
"No Accent" . . . ?
"No Engine On" . . .?
Well, of course "Circumcision speaks for itself"
And of course how could I possibly ever hold on to a draw with a gentile . . .
Thank you, Eric, for your efforts to add a calm and rational perspective into this drama.
One point I cannot agree with you is on accents. It is not uncommon for people's accents to shift towards the environment they are currently in. One example of that is Gillian Anderson, from The X-Files. She spent the first half of her childhood in America and the second half in Britain. She says that now her accent will switch - without her realising it - when she travels between America and Britain.
IMO, living for half of your childhood in a singular place, going to school there etc, is very different than traveling at 18/19.
@@hungrycrab3297 He has not lived his whole life in the US, at least not according to the all-knowing Wikipedia. According to that, he lived in the Netherlands from age 7 to 10
Regarding the accent, people who lie often speak differently than how he normally used to, such as higher pitches or in this particular drama, his accent. Though I'm not accusing him of cheating, I'm just saying in term of his accent
Some people just do that, I had a friend and we both went to South Carolina for some work and when we came back after only about 6 months he had a full on southern drawl and picked up a lot of the speech mannerisms but I did not at all. I do not understand it but some people just adapt to how other people speak if they are in an area for a while. It is really a red herring and if anything just shows that this is not really about the realistic possibility that he cheated, it is much more about how a lot of people do not like him and loved to troll him.
Chess speaks for itself, that kind of thing, this is really what this is about.
Then don’t he literally said don’t take this at face value but I’m putting it here because it’s abnormal
Eric, very open thought process and thanks for sharing. I felt the interviews were just awkward as well.
Not subbed to this channel but come here periodically…just the full story I was looking for. Thank you for uploading.
Those accents that he falls in and out of are very strange.
right? Isn't this homie from the US?
Yeah he’s American but I think he spends a lot of time in Europe playing and learning chess so maybe he’s starting to talk similarly to the natives around him. I have no idea for sure, just a theory
@@highdesertbiker he was born in the US but lived the Netherlands for a while as a child.
@@FalsePips it's not just accents, it's entire speech patterns. I hear grishchuk nepo and anish.
@@deanmcintyre4334 they’re telling him what moves to make and answers to give and he accidentally took on the accents! It’s a conspiracy! (I’m loving this 🍿 )
I've been waiting this for whole day brah!
Love this type of video! Thanks for keeping those of us in the loop that can't follow everything!
The best drama in chess since Erik and Hikaru's brawl;)
Playing chess on a professional level means emotions, prestige and money. Therefore, anyone found to be cheating should be disqualified from major tournaments for life.
Life is a bit much. A very severe punishment yes, but I believe in 2nd chances, especially for someone so young. Maybe a 2 year ban and a 2nd offense is a lifetime ban
@@diamondhyena5631 repeat cheater
What was erik and hikarus brawl?
@@FreeformThomas they had a physical fight one time. Eric won
@@FreeformThomas it wasn't really a brawl just E humbly humbling drunk Hikaru for being an asshole.
If someone asks what this is all about, I'll send them to this video. Riveting timeline. Also it's always refreshing to see someone struggling hard to be honest and fair and not give in to a knee jerk reaction.
What is honest and fair about this? He immediately fueled the fire on twitch and is doubling down again with absolutely no evidence.
This is low class click bait bullshit.
He sees his window to monetize chess is small (because he has no real talent) thus decides to generate views to unjustly destroy a young players career.
Eric is a hack.
@@kylelarson5074 Ok Pyle Shartson
@@kylelarson5074 eric has very clearly stated what is presently known about the matter. he has simply informed the public and has made no accusations
@@thomasrad5202 he has made clear and obvious insinuations without evidence. And justified the witch hunt baselessly. All to burn and tarnish Han's image.
And everyone is jumping on board simply because you are twats sucked into a parasocial relationship of a guy who will never even make it on a pro chess tour... Without getting his ass handed to him every game that is.
What's a knee jerk reaction?
What does it mean
One thing we can all take to the bank is that the Brahs are all stand up dudes, no questions there..
Great stuff Eric, thanks.
theyre scanning radio frequencies as well so the suspicion of signal transmission is there
This was awesome. I need novels about Eric Hansen solving chess mysteries
Loving this spicy chess drama! Gotta love hikaru. "That's all I'm gonna say on the matter" 10 minutes later. He definitely cheated, he's done if before and he'll do it again. Heres 27 clips of evidence.
Chess drama without any proof is just sad when it can totally destroy a persons reputation and career. I understand the click bait purpose and the craving for drama.
I hope all the chess channels thinking at least once how they should handle it IF no proof is presented? A pathetic “sorry” isn’t enough and in USA people gets sued for less…
@@stefanjohansson2373 Is called freedom of speech. People are entitled to an opinion and ALSO to speculate. Boom!
I think the dude managed to do that by himself when he got caught cheating
@@jaconova People also gets sued when they speculate and spread their lies to heavily. USA is famous for this. Freedom of speech isn’t limitless and if you tip over to the slander or racist side you have zero protection, or possibility to hide behind that. BOOOM! 👊
@@bobbyfischer6786 Right now there’s ZERO evidence of cheating against Magnus. It’s 100% speculations. It doesn’t matter if a person has cheated before or if he has an accent people like to bully him for. Innocent until proven guilty. Cheating online as a kid isn’t the same as cheating in a live tournament with a lot of cameras.
Thank you Eric for sharing your thoughts.
I think they should have had those security measures in the first place. A 15 min delay would stop players from using the broadcast for cheating. Too much of a delay.
There’s definitely something suspicious going on
Uh oh. Magnus is turning into bobby fisher. This isn't about cheating, it's a kidnapping.
Please keep update this!! Really good and balanced summary of the whole things!!
I was waiting for this video!
When Hans was younger he use to premove in blitz and rapid tourneys and then claim to a TD that his opponent was the one premoving when he was losing, I know cuz he did it to me at National Open yrs ago and I saw him do same to others multiple times, not proof of his cheating but just an anecdote on his character
anecdote
@Dr.S lolz, utter clowns
I am not surprised.
He was a kid cheating in online chess. That's like 99 % of all kids in video games have done at some point nowadays: in esports that have more money in it than chess.
@@czechpirc3212 speaking of character, hikaru is hands down the worst human in chess (and possibly in the entire sporting scene) in terms of personality and behavior... so by your logic it hints towards hikaru cheating
Innocent until proven guilty. I wish Magnus would speak directly about it because nothing good can come from speculation. The only legitimate reason I can think of for Magnus’ silence is waiting for an investigation to conclude.
He's not allowed. Might get fined or sued for slander if it affects Hans income.
Defamation case, also it will look very bad on those who host the event. Like imagine we are talking top tier chess players partaking in this event. In such a vicinity you’d expect top security. Business and politics dictates such things. I am telling ya, it ain’t in the interest of the event.
Magnus didn’t speak directly about it because accusing Hans of cheating without hard evidence would put him into potential legal issues
@@TheJoamirhawezi Libel laws are pretty lax in the US. As a public figure (in a way) Hans needs to prove that the libelous claim was made with malice not just that it's libelous. So Magnus could argue that he genuinely believed the claim that Hans cheated with the information he was provided and no malice was intended.
Magnus behaving like a spoiled lady, if he wanted to withdraw he could do that without posting that video on twitter but he has no balls to argue why he left the tournament, i tought his bad mannerism ended a while ago but i guess i was wrong.
i would have liked some thoughts on if maybe it was magnus’s opening prep that was leaked(stolen?) and if that is even covered by the rules.
Thanks for putting together a very detailed description of what happened
Eric I love that you addressed the drama and gave a detailed timeline of what happened over the last couple of days. When the strongest player is suspicious we all should be and I think we are all curiious what wll happen next with this controversy
Give the hard evidence or these GM babies need to stop whining.
Lol he is good at chess, but he's not infallible.
This dudes voice belongs on audiobook. So good.
Thanks Eric great insights
Thanks for enlightening us about this chess drama
In situations like this one there are two possible assumtions at the foundation of the problem, he is cheating, or not, some people should test the implications of both assumtions like you would do in a legal matter, simple as that, he has every right to defend himself and others have every right to try and find out wether he cheated and how, its the only way this might get to some sort of conclusion.
when the truth is unknown, we live in a bifurcated reality where our play moving forward must work on both boards at once simultaneously, or at the very least, serve the function of sussing out which board it is we're truly playing on.
I enjoyed your analysis Eric. We must make room for the possibility that Magnus just through Hans was cheating so that it affected Magnus’ play severely. But what’s maddening is Hans’ inability to correctly analyze positions and his poor explanation of Magnus’ play immediately after the Magnus game.
The other peculiar thing about Hans is his interview in which he acknowledged for his prior online cheating and expressed regret over how much it has set him back--essentially an apology to himself and only to himself. People who are only capable of seeing themselves as the victim typically will justify anything, making it imprudent to ever trust them so long as their lips are moving. Hans is suffering from this reputation.
Good job on the commentary Eric
What moves were the red flags to insinuate cheating? just curious
Eric being exceptionally cautious here..
Wish he showed more clips and went into detail on the other cases.
Eric and Aman should do a chess doco series.
The same way Steven Strangles does them for MMA. Would be killer!
The real reason Magnus had to drop out was to see his newborn son Corliss Magnussen
Cagnus Marlsen
Love waking up to some juicy chess drama
Why did ye ban Hans ? Not a mention? Like you mentioned on stream
I think it’s hilarious Magnus just chucks a grenade into the chess world, walks away, then doesn’t say anything. But Hans does give me strong Lance Armstrong vibes. And the parallels with the paranoia around cheating between the cycling world and chess are uncanny. The players know their opponents. They compete against them and they know or get a feel for when someone is outperforming. And it does seem unlikely Hans could take a win OTB with black against Magnus. But that’s not evidence. It’s very sad if he’s just playing well. But his reaction? Again. Lance vibes.
Omfg uncanny parallels between two sports? Actually that's not uncanny, that's normal. Every sport has people watching for cheaters.
@@walterbrownstone8017 well thank you for correcting me. Very kind.
Magnus played below standards, Hans played a good end game. Other than Hans being awkward in interviews, there's zero indication he actually cheated. Unless Magnus have something more than his feelings, he greatly overstepped with the implication. I think Magnus genuinely believed something fishy was going on in combination with Hans's online ban for cheating was a badly hidden secret that maybe he hoped to expose with his tweet. I suspect Magnus though people analyzing the match against Hans would prove his suspicions, which hasn't been the case. Even Hikaru didn't "see" anything wrong until he watched the post match interview and suddenly allegations flew all over the place. All which could just be explained by Hans being bad in interviews (which can be proved by most older interviews).
Why is it unlikely though? Hans is just 19, he is still growing while magnus is on the decline
Parallel to Armstrong's vehement denials is for sure there. The fake accent also reminded me of Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos). It's a strange one for sure.
Thank you for posting this! I was hoping to hear from you on this drama, the biggest chess drama I've ever seen. OTB chess cheating is the next biggest issue the chess world will have to deal with as (over the next several years and decades) nanotechnology and brain implants start being used by the common man.
Do you truly believe a 19 year old who’s socially awkward and has been blown off the board has access to nanotechnology? If so you might need a brain implant yourself.
This guy is a hack
Or full on robots entering with an organic avatar.
Well didn’t know they did the 15 delay. Thanks for that chess brah
Thank you for a good sequential breakdown of the events without the hysteria from many other RUclips Chess commentators. This seems balanced.
Hikaru "If I speak I'm in troub-let me tell you how it went" Nakamura. May the man never change😂
He's not very good with words, all chess and no social skills lol
@@johnwest6690 Quite the contrary, in fact. I enjoy his recaps
Great take! Here's my theory. Magnus already suspect Nieman of cheating and using aids. He and his team prep a very unlikely opening to test Nieman. The fact that he played well against it and claim he looked at the opening that morning just added to the Sus. Cheaters don't stop cheating. They will find new way to cheat. With his history of cheating, and this test. I think it was enough evidence for Magnus to pull out to make a statement. Gotta love the drama though.
I've never followed chess and this story popped up in my Google feed but your comment seems to make the most sense to me as a complete outsider.
Maybe he hacked the computers and knows the preps of his opponents
@@stolensoul2355 Nah. I like the anal bead theory the best. Hilarious if true.
Great recap!!! :O
Thanks for the video! Btw around 2:10 the camera is shaking constantly, just a heads up!
im sure eric will re-record the video just for you
@@BMWE-hm7uz video was great, just letting him know for future videos 😐
I do believe Magnus believes there's some funny business going on. I like your thoughts about this. We don't know if Hans is or isn't cheating. You tried to vocalize your thoughts from that perspective and i appreciate that you did that.
20 move prep against magnus opening he never ever played...even Hans said he randomly decided to study this opening and it paid off. Is this a common thing to just prep random openings? Toss openings into a hat and pick one?
@@zambot264 Yes
@@ETBrooD no lol
@@zambot264 I feel like this specific nimzo line was not too impossible to expect from Magnus? He often plays these odd g3 systems/openings, wouldn’t be too far out for Hans to say ok, if the game goes into a nimzo, might as well look at g3? For him to look at it that morning is fishy though
He isn't cheating until it is proven he is. That's the fact.
Great summary; balanced, mature and uniquely Chessbrah ...
13:30 - how did Niemann do vs Alejandro?
“Eric speaking on Han’s new accent: Because it triggers me because I watch the interviews” I literally died laughing 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rest in peace my beautiful boy
It seems to me that Magnus’ team had prior suspicions and they chose to play an opening Magnus has never played before, and Hans responded perfectly. That “confirmed” his suspicions in his own mind, and he just didn’t play the rest of the game at his normal level because he knew he was going to withdraw
Magnus team has a mole sounds difficult to believe because they seemed to be happy working with Carlsen. I think it could be a third party hacker, maybe working independently and selling his hacks to anyone who is willing to play.
@@da96103 you should write fantasy fiction bud, seriously where do you even come up with this
He had played a line that transposed before into the g3 nimzo 2019. WtF are you talking about.
@@MC_heart4 I am random person from the internet I can talk whatever bullshit I want and I don’t need to face any consequence now let’s ruin this kids career without knowing anything and just saying cheater huehue I am such a good person
He didn't play perfectly though, Magnus played poorly. Hans made objective mistakes in that game
The interviews may not make sense. On the flip side the so called move in question by Hans vs Alireza happened after the extensive scan, with all eyes on him, and the 15 minute delay.
good to hear the overview. would be interested to hear the thoughts of adding more security / did they think he was cheating? how?
I feel like the online violations brings the suspicion on Hans and probably will throughout his career because of it whether he is playing legit or cheating.
Maybe. He was a child when it happened so its not that serious in my opinion. I mean I lit the garage on fire when I was 16 and I stole a bike that I traded for printed porn...
@@mattsmith1126 matt ur fucked up
He'd simply have to prove himself. If he continues to play well in offline tournaments, eventually people will just have to accept he's at a certain skill level. He might not get invited to many of them though given Magnus sway in the chess world...
When Eric says Magnus's endgame was below his usual standard, it makes you wonder about Carlsen's train of thought. If you think you're playing a human, you play with your instinct. If you suspect you're playing an engine, you doubt yourself. I'm far too shit at chess to weigh in with an opinion, but I'm enjoying all the speculation!
this is a fair point. Magnus might have been suspicious by now
It's the only thing that makes sense. Based on Hans's previous online cheating, Magnus built up a suspicion of him cheating that were confirmed the the perceived counter of his opening, leading him to focus more on Hans than his own endgame. Unless Magnus can provide with more reasons why Hans would have cheated, it's almost guaranteed Magnus is/was mistaken.
Or, much more simply put, magnus was just out of shape in that game
@@kartikeyatiwari2502 but then these armchair 700s wouldn't be able to act like they know everything
maybe you wouldnt be enjoying it so much if someone accused you of being a pedophile, for instance....would you?
They have to install state-of-the-art frequency jammers in the playing room. This has been a very common practice for university and official exams for a very long time now. They also have to install full body scanners like the ones at airports. And, then cheating won't be possible.
Forget the jammers and the wanding, they should just check the ceiling
Does anyone have a PGN link for the game? Can't find anything on the net.
Here's both of the games
[Event "Sinquefield Cup"]
[Site "Saint Louis, MO USA"]
[Date "2022.09.04"]
[EventDate "2022.09.01"]
[Round "3"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Magnus Carlsen"]
[Black "Hans Moke Niemann"]
[ECO "E20"]
[WhiteElo "2861"]
[BlackElo "2688"]
[PlyCount "114"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d5 6. a3 Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 dxc4
8. Nf3 c5 9. O-O cxd4 10. Qxd4 Nc6 11. Qxc4 e5 12. Bg5 h6 13. Rfd1 Be6 14.
Rxd8 Bxc4 15. Rxa8 Rxa8 16. Bxf6 gxf6 17. Kf1 Rd8 18. Ke1 Na5 19. Rd1 Rc8
20. Nd2 Be6 21. c4 Bxc4 22. Nxc4 Rxc4 23. Rd8+ Kg7 24. Bd5 Rc7 25. Ra8 a6
26. Rb8 f5 27. Re8 e4 28. g4 Rc5 29. Ba2 Nc4 30. a4 Nd6 31. Re7 fxg4 32.
Rd7 e3 33. fxe3 Ne4 34. Kf1 Rc1+ 35. Kg2 Rc2 36. Bxf7 Rxe2+ 37. Kg1 Re1+
38. Kg2 Re2+ 39. Kg1 Kf6 40. Bd5 Rd2 41. Rf7+ Kg6 42. Rd7 Ng5 43. Bf7+ Kf5
44. Rxd2 Nf3+ 45. Kg2 Nxd2 46. a5 Ke5 47. Kg3 Nf1+ 48. Kf2 Nxh2 49. e4 Kxe4
50. Be6 Kf4 51. Bc8 Nf3 52. Bxb7 Ne5 53. Bxa6 Nc6 54. Bb7 Nxa5 55. Bd5 h5
56. Bf7 h4 57. Bd5 Ke5 0-1
[Event "Sinquefield Cup"]
[Site "Saint Louis, MO USA"]
[Date "2022.09.05"]
[EventDate "2022.09.02"]
[Round "4.3"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[White "Hans Moke Niemann"]
[Black "Alireza Firouzja"]
[ECO "C50"]
[WhiteElo "2688"]
[BlackElo "2778"]
[PlyCount "86"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. c3 d6 6. O-O O-O 7. Re1 Bb6 8. a4 a5
9. h3 h6 10. Na3 Ne7 11. d4 Ng6 12. Bf1 c6 13. Nc4 Bc7 14. dxe5 Nxe5 15. Bf4
Nxf3+ 16. Qxf3 d5 17. Rad1 Be6 18. e5 Nd7 19. Qg3 Kh8 20. Nd6 Nc5 21. Rd4 Bxd6
22. exd6 Ne4 23. Rexe4 dxe4 24. Rxe4 Qf6 25. Bd3 Bf5 26. Re3 Bxd3 27. Rxd3 Qf5
28. Qe3 Rfe8 29. Qd2 Rad8 30. Be3 c5 31. g4 Qe4 32. Bxc5 Qxa4 33. Bd4 Re6 34.
Bb6 Rd7 35. Bc7 Qc6 36. Re3 Rxe3 37. Qxe3 Rxc7 38. dxc7 Qxc7 39. Qe8+ Kh7 40.
Qe4+ Kg8 41. Qe8+ Kh7 42. Qe4+ Kg8 43. Qe8+ Kh7 1/2-1/2
@@ballskinNice one. Thanks!
I haven’t been a viewer of your stream/channel. But I’m extremely impressed at your ability to bring such objectivity to your analysis (even while you acknowledge that you might have biases). Great job!
I really appreciate this extremely unbiased, objective take. Your thoughts are very well said and reasonable. Thanks for your solid coverage of current news.
"You didn't even share a game!"is what I'm thinking.
Apparently he said the opening was played before but it wasn’t
There is something suspicious. Erik praises Hikaru for his intuition. Hikaru says Erik has flashes of genius. Eryk didn't make a single move on the board. Did Eryk, passing on rumors from the SCC, call Yaser his friend, but could not call him father? Very suspicious.🤔🤫😉😎
what in the fuck did i just read
@@jahhone5892 I'm as mindboggled as you
"No Accent" . . . ?
"No Engine On" . . .?
Well, of course "Circumcision speaks for itself"
And of course how could I possibly ever hold on to a draw with a gentile . . .
Aged like milk left out in the sun
Thank you Eric ❤️
Electronic wands don't do anything if prep gets leaked...
If I was to play a guy who I suspected of cheating, I would try to pick some unusual opening. But with my luck, the guy would pick just that opening to prepare for 20 moves out.
Hans made an off handed comment in one of his interviews “maybe he just doesn’t want me to win the tournament.” Basically by quitting when he did Hans loses a point and Ian (who lost to Magnus earlier) benefits as all Magnus’s games are annulled.
Why would Magnus's withdrawal result in Hans losing a point? That makes no sense
@@tolkienfan1972 Hans won a point by winning against Magnus. Because Magnus withdrew, Hans loses a point (because Magnus didn't play at least half of the tournament, all of his previous games are not "scored"). So Ian, who lost against magnus, isn't now "down a point" and Hans, who won against magnus, isn't now "up a point".
The interview was what made me convinced he cheated, at the end when asked about magnus’ withdrawal, it’s not that he doesn’t know what to say, it’s like he knows the truth but he knows he can’t say it. Very cringe to watch and made Hans look very disingenuous
@@tolkienfan1972 Because Hans win against Magnus no longer counts.
Rules are basically "If a player withdraws early in the tournament, then no matches they played are counted."
edit: Im assuming the reasoning for the rule is to not give everyone except one or two unlucky players free points.
@@tolkienfan1972 it makes a lot of sense
"So that wasn't the only thing Hikaru ended up saying." LOL
They could be taken to a big empty room to play. It'll look epic anyway since it's big empty rooms and chess go well together.
I’m such a chess dummy that I wish Eric would elaborate about how the post-game interview analysis from Hans was “incoherent” at times. I’d like to watch a breakdown of that.
Even just his lines trail off into nothing, you can see the interviewer is confused trying to show what Hans is saying. His slurred and quick speech implies he wants to avoid the whole analysis like he has no idea what he's doing in the game
You know every sideline because you look 10 moves deep before you move anything.
Memorizing lines and board positions Is automatic. On a casual game if I go use the washroom and there is no clock I know if my opponent moved because I know where every piece was.
If hans cannot do this then he is not playing he is simply entering moves he is getting from somewhere, and is thus guaranteed to be cheating.
Even if I play something odd there is a reason and I know what it is. Simple as that.
Aman did yesterday, Hans talked about a line that just hangs a piece lol
@@deltalima6703 No dude, Im sure Hans knows exactly why he makes his moves, but he is fkin tired after the match to remember loads of lines and reasons for this and that. It's not easy to start discussing lines after a long match against a big player (Alejandro) who has been checking your game with the engine for hours and then goes to show you in the blackboard that u are wrong...
@@user-kg9mt1yh6k Yet none of the other players have issues doing it? 🤔
The real question: Is Hans in possession of lip gloss?
I appreciate you sharing your point of view. Thank you!
total respect for eric! speaking your mind regardless is a courageous thing to do 👍🏻👏👏
The fact people knew he had cheated in the past biased any analysis done of his games… including how Magnus interpreted the loss. If a specific outcome is very unlikely (such as a junior/much lower rated player beating the world champion over the board with black) any bias we have will be enhanced to overcome the incongruous results.
But people pretending that a teenager cheating at online chess is the same as smuggling a microcomputer into an OTB tournament or doping in other sports is mental.
@@gamesafoot I don't think a single person on this planet has theorized that, that's the way Niemann cheated.
hold on though, its perfectly fair to use chess engines for preparation before a game right? you just cant use an engine in real time while you are playing right? so how does any prior cheating in the past, affect your guilt in this particular situation?
Depends on if its YOUR preparation or Magnus' team leaking the info maliciously or accidentally and you using it. His past instances of not playing fair of course leads to more suspicion especially after those weird interviews where he was misevaluating variations that commentators kept spotting immediately. I know a lot of people are new to the community and just hopped off the umbilical cord so they are unaware other ways players can cheat other than looking at an engine and inputting these moves into it in real time and putting those moves on a board. Should he be punished? No, at least until there is hard core proof. But it would be moronic to turn a blind eye and dismiss past instances of the same behavior. So suspicion is warranted
@@hungrycrab3297 @HungryCrab there are new team members. Hans was checked thoroughly just like everyone else, cameras were on him with thousands of people watching him. What seems more likely? Note, I said "maliciously or accidentally"