Lyle Lage was a farmer, also an avid trap shooter, he did various things with injection moulding, hence the creation of his version of the Uni-wad. Pacific/ hornady also had the same wad design from around the same era. I knew him well as we were from the same town and also neighbors.
Thanks for sharing! I just received a box of these with some used reloading equip, now I have load data thanks to your video! Looking forward to trying them out .
Lage Uniwad, as one comment from family member mentioned, was created so one wad could be used to reload with any shell case. This was can be used in Remington, Winchester , paper ir plastic cases. Trapshooters love them. My dad bought the patent from Mr. Lage and developed the design to be used with 10g and 12g. Original design was for 20g shells if I recall correctly. My dad owned the patents until he retired. He came in 3rd lace at the Grand Nationals Trapshooting Championshis . He hit 276 in a row, using the Lage Uniwad in every shot.
I actually was paid to put the red insert into the cup. We hired a lot of mothers who stayed home with their kids - to sit at home and it the two pieces together.
Great video. I wasn't into shotgun at the time, however, I went to a yard sale and there were at least 20 bags of different wads there for $3.00 each. You can get deals out there if you are lucky. I like the demo on the 600 Jr. those reloading presses are like farm machinery, they are built to last a lifetime. I started making my own shot now, that is a real cost reducer and is fun to do. anyway good video, I find that shotgun is making a comeback. Dave.
It seems the MEC machines can be kept going almost indefinitely as parts are available when needed and are not expensive. Most MEC machines that get scrapped are ruined by abuse and/or neglect. I do the bulk of my shot shell loading with basic MEC 600 or 700 machines. BTW $3 a bag for wads is a pretty sweet deal.
MEC is a machine that can be rebuilt. and as you said indefinitely as long as you can get parts. I have a 650N and the only thing I don't like about it is the Primer Feeder. the drop tube gets hung up on the shell getting powder charged and primed in station two. You can hand feed the primers and it isn't a problem with the priming unit removed. I look at the Midwest of Canada and the United States, think about all the Ducks and Geese that have been taking with ammunition made on MEC machines. That alone should say something about their product. It looks the look of old school too. I like that. Looking forward to another Video dude. Dave.
Thank you so much, I bought 4000 of these at local auction for $12, and wanted to know how to use them. Have never seen them before, but thought the price was right to at least try.
No, these are a lead shot wad and should not be used with steel. The sides of the wad are far too thin for steel and barrel damage would almost certainly result if used with steel shot.
A buddy of mine used up 8 pounds of bullseye in 12 gauge target loads, and it worked well. Load data for that powder in 12 gauge is out there for target type loads as you discovered . Several common shotgun powders are actually faster burning than Bullseye.
@@314299 I'm looking for some old fiber was a and cards I enjoy using the CIL ONES, You happen to have Any for Sale. Have a full lb of RAMSHOT " big game" to trade Off for some reloading supplies. Powder was ordered as ramshot Hunter...was sent this in error However they don't accept powder returns. Told me " maybe Trade with a friend???? So seems it's gd with heavy bullets. Says on bottle " best powder for 30-06." If you use FB look up Rodney Short. I live in cape Breton. Pic of a 68 Torino On my profile.
I actually have a full bag of the exact same Uniwads! An older gentleman told me they performed very well, one of the best ever made. Several guys have tried to get companies like Claybuster and Downrange to make them to no avail unfortunately.
I think the issue with making these new again would be putting the two pieces of the wad together, I don't think the aftermarket companies want to get involved with the machinery necessary to accomplish that step in production.
Some do, some don't degrade, it depends mostly on storage conditions I expect. Being stored in sunlight really seems to degrade plastic wads. I think these were in a dark storage space and as a result are in fine shape.
I got some very old WAA12s that strike me as rather brittle. I think it depends on what wad, when it was made and how it was stored. I believe a lot of the modern ones are intended to degrade to reduce the littering effect, so that's another thing to keep in mind.
GunFun ZS I've been told that some plastics have additives in them to keep them from being too easily combusted and that these additives can cause the plastic to break down over the years. I have fired many thousands of old plastic wads and only one bag of them ever was problematic. I suggest "crushing" any suspect wads with a pair of large pliers, good wads will spring back while bad ones will crumble and crack.
@@314299 that is a good test. I know that c the orange Winchester wads are a cheaper plastic which is very brittle in cold weather. They are intended for target target than hunting loads. But they are not cheaper than the claybuster wad equivalent so I don't know why Winchester bothers.
No, these were a local item. The bag in the video was given to me by a fellow gun club member who had no use for them, the first bag I had was from a local gun shop.
Lyle Lage was a farmer, also an avid trap shooter, he did various things with injection moulding, hence the creation of his version of the Uni-wad. Pacific/ hornady also had the same wad design from around the same era. I knew him well as we were from the same town and also neighbors.
Interesting, thanks.
Thanks for sharing! I just received a box of these with some used reloading equip, now I have load data thanks to your video! Looking forward to trying them out .
I'm glad to hear the video is still coming in useful.
I always find your videos on these old components and obscure bullets etc. to be rather interesting.
Glad you found it interesting. These video's are certainly not "mass market" types, although surprisingly some have done well over the years.
I doubt I’ll ever come across any wads like this, but it never hurts to learn. 😀
Awesome, I just came across 2 500 bags of these, didn’t have any data on them though, now I know, thanks man
Glad the video was of use.
Lage Uniwad, as one comment from family member mentioned, was created so one wad could be used to reload with any shell case. This was can be used in Remington, Winchester , paper ir plastic cases.
Trapshooters love them.
My dad bought the patent from Mr. Lage and developed the design to be used with 10g and 12g. Original design was for 20g shells if I recall correctly.
My dad owned the patents until he retired. He came in 3rd lace at the Grand Nationals Trapshooting Championshis . He hit 276 in a row, using the Lage Uniwad in every shot.
Thanks for the comment and the information. With your name we know what you say must be accurate!
I actually was paid to put the red insert into the cup. We hired a lot of mothers who stayed home with their kids - to sit at home and it the two pieces together.
Great video. I wasn't into shotgun at the time, however, I went to a yard sale and there were at least 20 bags of different wads there for $3.00 each. You can get deals out there if you are lucky. I like the demo on the 600 Jr. those reloading presses are like farm machinery, they are built to last a lifetime. I started making my own shot now, that is a real cost reducer and is fun to do. anyway good video, I find that shotgun is making a comeback. Dave.
It seems the MEC machines can be kept going almost indefinitely as parts are available when needed and are not expensive. Most MEC machines that get scrapped are ruined by abuse and/or neglect. I do the bulk of my shot shell loading with basic MEC 600 or 700 machines. BTW $3 a bag for wads is a pretty sweet deal.
MEC is a machine that can be rebuilt. and as you said indefinitely as long as you can get parts. I have a 650N and the only thing I don't like about it is the Primer Feeder. the drop tube gets hung up on the shell getting powder charged and primed in station two. You can hand feed the primers and it isn't a problem with the priming unit removed. I look at the Midwest of Canada and the United States, think about all the Ducks and Geese that have been taking with ammunition made on MEC machines. That alone should say something about their product. It looks the look of old school too. I like that. Looking forward to another Video dude. Dave.
I really like that shot shell press! Seems better made than my lee loadall press 👍🏼
Thank you so much, I bought 4000 of these at local auction for $12, and wanted to know how to use them.
Have never seen them before, but thought the price was right to at least try.
You got a heck of a deal! I hope they work well for you.
Would you use these wads to load steel shoot (BB) 2 3/4 sheels 12gauge?
No, these are a lead shot wad and should not be used with steel. The sides of the wad are far too thin for steel and barrel damage would almost certainly result if used with steel shot.
Just got some of these - thanks for sharing. Looking at using for my old SxS shotguns. PS - phone # out of service.
I'm not surprised that the phone # is no good, the bags are probably 40 plus years old. Best of luck with your reloading efforts.
Was just in my lyman#3 And saw reference to these lol
Found some bullseye 12 g loads
I'm gonna try..have few bags of Pacific Verilite Wada to Use
You're a brave man. I know pistol and shotgun powders are similar, but bullseye seems really fast and dense for shot shells.
@@GunFunZS its published data
Lyman shotshell manual #3
Also loads using 2400 powder listed
A buddy of mine used up 8 pounds of bullseye in 12 gauge target loads, and it worked well. Load data for that powder in 12 gauge is out there for target type loads as you discovered . Several common shotgun powders are actually faster burning than Bullseye.
@@314299 I'm looking for some old fiber was a and cards I enjoy using the
CIL ONES, You happen to have
Any for Sale. Have a full lb of
RAMSHOT " big game" to trade
Off for some reloading supplies.
Powder was ordered as ramshot
Hunter...was sent this in error
However they don't accept powder returns. Told me " maybe
Trade with a friend???? So seems it's gd with heavy bullets.
Says on bottle " best powder for 30-06." If you use FB look up
Rodney Short. I live in cape Breton. Pic of a 68 Torino
On my profile.
I actually have a full bag of the exact same Uniwads! An older gentleman told me they performed very well, one of the best ever made. Several guys have tried to get companies like Claybuster and Downrange to make them to no avail unfortunately.
I think the issue with making these new again would be putting the two pieces of the wad together, I don't think the aftermarket companies want to get involved with the machinery necessary to accomplish that step in production.
@@314299 That was the jist of it. They didn't see enough profitability in a 2 piece design even with their popularity.
Less fattening? Where can I get me some of those? :)
Don't plastics get weak with age?
Some do, some don't degrade, it depends mostly on storage conditions I expect. Being stored in sunlight really seems to degrade plastic wads. I think these were in a dark storage space and as a result are in fine shape.
I got some very old WAA12s that strike me as rather brittle. I think it depends on what wad, when it was made and how it was stored. I believe a lot of the modern ones are intended to degrade to reduce the littering effect, so that's another thing to keep in mind.
GunFun ZS I've been told that some plastics have additives in them to keep them from being too easily combusted and that these additives can cause the plastic to break down over the years. I have fired many thousands of old plastic wads and only one bag of them ever was problematic. I suggest "crushing" any suspect wads with a pair of large pliers, good wads will spring back while bad ones will crumble and crack.
@@314299 that is a good test. I know that c the orange Winchester wads are a cheaper plastic which is very brittle in cold weather. They are intended for target target than hunting loads. But they are not cheaper than the claybuster wad equivalent so I don't know why Winchester bothers.
I can't say I have ever seen that style wad before . Was it suppose to be a one wad wonder type of thing ?
Yes, the idea was being able to use one wad for loading many different shot weights (1 to 1-1/4 oz) in many different hulls.
Did you get them on EBay by chance? I bidded on them lol.
No, these were a local item. The bag in the video was given to me by a fellow gun club member who had no use for them, the first bag I had was from a local gun shop.
This is the best wad for loading the .69 round ball
I happened up 3 bags in 20ga great wads
I've not yet come across any of these in 20 gauge, I hear they work well.
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