Collecting Addicts Episode 49: Peak Land Rover, A Dinner With Legends & How To Be A Passenger
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- Backseat driving or genuine concern? Pedantic hindsight or thoughtful advice?
As machine operating enthusiasts, the Addicts discuss the emotional load derived from being a powerless vehicular bystander, or in other words: a passenger.
This and more on Episode 49 of Collecting Addicts!
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(00:00) Intro
(01:18) Land Rover Discovery 4
(16:20) 5 motoring heroes
(35:43) How to be a passenger
(56:06) Guenther Steiner
(01:08:53) Two car garage
(01:18:34) Driving Tunes
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About Collecting Addicts Podcast:
Collecting Addicts is one of the leading automotive podcast hosted by Chris Harris along with fellow addicts Edward Lovett, Manish Pandey, Neil Clifford and Chris Cooper.
This eclectic bunch of car addicts gather online weekly to discuss all things automotive, from the minutiae of best gloveboxes to the latest happenings in top-tier motorsport.
They answer burning questions from listeners, debate the best and worst from the car world over the decades, and make time for regular features including ‘Two Car Garage’ and ‘Driving Tunes’.
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These 5 guys across an ocean are the only weekly conversation I’m a part of that’s nerdy enough about cars
It’s much needed and does just the thing to give me my car fix for the week.
This was my favorite episode thus far. The segment discussing your dream dinner was an all timer for me. All answers were so well thought out and reflected each host so very well. These 5 just keep sharing the most authentic and full blown car nerdery. I love it more than ever thanks guys!
Manish mention of Dorothy Paget reminds me of a day in Bath fairly recently.
I was wandering around whilst my car was being serviced.
I was admiring an Italy racing blue Bugatti Type 35 casually parked in Milsom Street.
I was aware of a Lady of Age next to me also admiring this beauty.
The more we chatted I realised she was quite a lady. And so knowledgable re cars & motor racing.
She often went to Le Mans and her and her brother would sleep on the running boards of Daddies Lagonda.
She knew The Bentley Boys especially "Birkin and Barnato"!
She still goes occasionally to (Historique) Le Mans with her son.
I wanted to talk to her all day, in fact I wish I had suggested coffee.
The trouble is, I’m so in tune with these 5 boys and their thoughts, I fear I would be far too familiar if I was ever to meet them. I’ll apologise in advance.
That's my concern too. The overbearing, unnerving, over familiarity would turn them right off me within a second of meeting them. I'll probably attempt to give Manish and Neil a big hug before poking fun at Edward and his daddy. Harris would kick me in the shins and Cooper would tell me to F off. 😞
@@LCOF Haha. But if they don’t meet us their life will be slightly empty and meaningless and they don’t even know it. 😁
For a while I had a girlfriend and where she lived in rural Cheshire there was a lot of "old money". The two cars you would see in so many farms and posh houses were Disco's and Volvo estates. Quite often they'd be old ones as well. I can't think of any other cars that have that ability to be respected by everyone.
Why does the tailgate on the latest Disco always remind me of Laura Kuenssberg?????
Remember being suitably impressed with the ride quality in a discovery 3 heading down to Knockhill for a weekend’s super bike racing as spectators.
Surprising Murray Walker wasn’t mentioned at anyone’s dinner party, I think he’s have to be at mine
As the proud owner of a discovery 4 (which previously belonged to my uncle who passed), it’s nice to see more appreciation for the model!
The Defender is the new Discovery. And let's forget the current Disco 5, leave it on floor.
When will car manufacturers actually realize that how a car looks is hugely important. To quote Neil "if it looks shit no one will buy it". He's right.
Also, nice to see Mr.C finally has some Collecting Cars merch..
I had a disco 4 for 5 years. Was a school bus. Delivery van. Moved house. Moved pub. Did it all. Don’t need the space now so gone electric - if I had the budget and the space would have kept it as a ‘dads weekend wagon’ brill show as always fellas x
and thank you, Neil, for reminding me about Behind Blue Eyes. I am playing it again now. What a song.
Nice to see some appreciation for the old D4.. personally I love mine. I’ve enjoyed some nice and fast motors in my younger years, but the Disco is my favourite car I have owned. And the reliability everyone harps on about isn’t always true, take my 2011 sdv6 for example, it’s just turned 402000km and apart from the usual wear and tear items, it’s still going like a dream, it’s epic off road and it’s still wearing its original air struts from factory!
Lovely to see some Disco 4 love. We’ve owned two in 10 years (pre and post facelift) in Mozambique. The English embassy in Maputo is also very fond of the Disco 4, often modifying them with bulletproof windows, run flat tires, a massive antenna for the sat phone. They’re unbelievably cool.
LR4’s are the beat looking Land Rovers.
I have had my D4 and my Labs for 14 years.... both are wonderful...
At the risk of going off topic, we absolutely LOVE our 2014 Disco4. Four grown up kids and my drum kit and crap can co-exist in it any day of the week, it gets over 950 kms per standard tank week in, week out, and it goes across rivers and up any mountain trail where we live here in Australia without any trouble whatsoever, all in wonderful quiet comfort. She’s a keeper, I hope, unless LandRover get around to replacing the new defender’s absolutely useless rear door with a proper split tailgate and more spacious rear load space.
Best designed wagon (estate) on the planet.
I am a rubbish passenger but my late wife was a brilliant driver, always aware and capable of making progress without making you feel you were going to crash. She also had superb mechanical sympathy.
Discovery 3 had a 4.4 V8 petrol & Discovery 4 had a 5.0 petrol, both Jag V8 engines.
Export models also got a 4.0 V6 petrol which was a Ford engine also fitted to the Explorer
I've come back from the pub early to watch this, so old
😂
Tony Pond… a legend,a gentleman,nice sense of humour and a brilliant peddler of all sorts of machinery!
Ari Vatanen 'dear god' is always worth a watch, plus rally co-drivers please could you bring back the 'twisty 350'
Loved the Discovery chat. Don't forget the very late Disco 3s had body coloured bits not black plastic. Game changer. One of those with clear glass, nice colour combo, full HSE spec, triple glass rooves, xenons. Perfect
This podcast has become a safe haven for me to nerd out.
Two car garage: You find yourself in a Mad Max scenario. The fuel is gone and the grid is down. You have two cars in your garage which you conveniently topped off, because, let’s face it, you’re a genius.
The first car you use to scout and plan. It should be quick and agile.
The second car must accommodate your families and survival gear. It should be versatile and rugged, and have enough range to get you far from danger.
As you’re a ‘reasonable’ man who can’t simply fly his family to safety, you have £100,000 for both.
Gents, late car commercial entry has got to be the Honda Ads. 2005 and 2010. Amazing soundtrack, videography and makes you want to go out in your transport of choice.
Can't believe you missed it.
D4 owner for 3.5yrs, amazing truck & future classic for sure. It’s great for work, towing 3ton once a week, school runs, occasionaly off road on our farm, and doesn’t look out of place at our favourite restaurant. Just not sure about values in comparison to old defenders. FYI there’s a 5ltr disco on AT £25k
2 car garage idea, you have £50,000 to buy one car that is a track day weapon but must be road legal. Then £60,000 to buy a pure drivers car for driving to Scrambles and Caffeine and Machine on Sundays.
P.S. Loving the podcast up 👍
One of best episodes. Ever. As each of 49s . 😆💪🏻
Two car garage:
Real life,
Lots, and I mean lots of hard work and a bit of luck paid of and now a 10 y/o boy inside me is the happiest boy in the world becuase he will be able to assamble a dream two car garage (he never wanted anything more).
He first fell in love with a car when he saw a sexy, bright red Maserati Granturismo that roared past him. My god that noise.... That day it was all over for him and his future wallet.
The boy grew up as a real peteolhead, loving analog cars, manuals, naturally aspirated engines, hydraulic steering, etc. He always imagined actually driving the hell out of cars, rwd and awd. He knows a lot about the industry and the history of the brands. He learned to respect it and love it.
Now that boy is a 30 y/o who has a budget of around 1 mil. I love to ski, it is an essential. I grew up whatching crazy Jon Olsson putting a Thule on Lamborginis and going skiing while doing donouts on snow and ice. Well, I intend to be a bit more civilised becuase I can have two cars in which I can do donouts, one to put a Thule on and go skiing, to often go travel with friends/familly, a practical car but it has to be something with petrolhead blood in it, something really cool and most importantly something that is a dream to drive. I have to mention, I have a thing for estates, I really am not into this whole SUV thing. I mean all the roads in the Alps are nicely mantained to be honest, theres no need for a stupid SUV.
The second car sould be a dream poster sports or super car, no hyper car. Manual, as analog as it gets yet modern if there's such a thing. I dont have a problem with older cars either, contrary. Engine that makes the sky shake! A car that does not exceed 500/600hp. I could not care less for top speed, I care for driving pleasure. Something under the radar perhaps. A sunday car.
If possible it would be good to have some money saved in order to invest in a garage itself, why not.
Go on!
English is not my native language, sorry for the possible mistakes.
Thanks for possible suggestions and cheers!
Hi chaps.
My two car garage garage!
When you were born, your father had a Porsche 944 turbo, (because he could not afford a 911)in which he would take you to kart racing, rowing etc.
After passing away in 2020, he has left you £75,000 in his will to purchase two cars. One of which will be an Italian car (pre-1985) and the other a naturally aspirated Porsche , to cruise down to the cote de Azure.
(One has to be a convertible)
Fantastic as always gents. My Friday wind down with laughter and nerdiness aplenty, just how it should be. I’ve clearly missed this for your (cough) recording of the next one but can you keep to this longer duration please. Simply magic.
Oh and two car garage:
You’re in your forties, kids (x2) are getting that bit older (primary going into secondary) and you’re more comfortable with the pennies. You need a new car for the family but you also release some space in the garage for a car to take on driving holidays, Sunday blasts and perhaps the odd track day. The catch is, you only have £35k to spend in TOTAL and your wife needs you to be able to tow her horse trailer on occasion.
Loved my D4. We covered 20k miles in Kenya, with lots of proper off-roading. However it did feel like a ticking time bomb with the risk of it snapping the crankshaft.
Bloody love these… highlight of the week. Keep them coming lads
Looking forward to this episode. Episode 48 was my favorite to date. Brilliant work.
Luca - one of the men I met whom I respected the most. But I have to give first place to M Gorbachev - I couldn't sleep for a few days after meeting him. He was one of the most important men of the century. Such a shame Putin has pissed it away. But back to happy thoughts: Luca was charming, real, and passionate about Ferrari.
Congrats on this being the one year anniversary... The time has absolutely flown and it's become top of my (and probably everyone else here) podcast list. Here's to hopefully many more years of you gents talking wonderful nonsense about cars!
Oh Neil greetings from Oz. YES what a wonderful line up! LJK brings back so many memories I just can't tell you. I've lost all my old CAR magazines but his writings are still with me. Well done all you addicts!
You mentioned Russell Bulging, reminding me that it’s time to re read “The very best of Russell Bulgin” …… again!
One of the very best and sadly missed
Great podcasts, keep going !
I think Michèle Mouton would be a fantastic guest for the dream dinner table
Although you’d have to serve only champagne
2 Car Garage suggestion:
For the last few years you've owned an E39 530 which you love as it does so many things so well, but being a lifelong car nerd, and aware of the vast sea of untapped motoring potential out there, you want to experience more from the automotive buffet of life.
However, not having any savings, your two cars must be bought from whatever earnings you can get from selling the E39 - an optimistic browse of the classifieds suggests that a 10k budget might be possible on the 75k motor.
Of the two cars, one needs to be practical enough for family use, your two young boys and their associated ephemera, but it should still be able to tick the same boxes of quality, class and driving enjoyment as the Beemer.
You have carte blanche on the second car, to pick anything fun, quirky, fast or impractical.
The world's greatest podcast
A legends party should be legendary . A one off , mythical status , never repeated but always spoken about , with wildly exaggerated rumours & people wishing they had caught just a glimpse of those involved in the chaos of a lost weekend . The actors .. James Hunt . Innes Ireland . Mike Hailwood . Valentino Rossi . Woolf Barnato . Only they (& I ) know what really happened during those 48 hours . Love the podcast guys !!
Some nice two-car garages there! Good Bentley choices by Chris.
That goat must soon be full term surely!?!
Fabulous as always as born out by the universally lovely comments. I think we recognise a little bit of each of us in these gentlemen.
Totally agree Chris, if you like operating machinery, that’s what you have to do. I’ve always lived cars and driving, but somehow ended up flying aeroplanes… I think it’s all related, that buzz you get when you nail a corner properly is the same in either machine.
To be honest some of the best fun is in light aircraft, as you get into airliners it all becomes a bit too regulated, but there are still fun bits out there. I remember taking an Emirates 777 into Nice in 2016 on a sporty hand-flown approach, which involved banking quite steeply close to the rocks and sea, rolling wings level at about 300’ with a beach full of totty under the right wing and nailing the landing seconds later. That is the level of fun you’re limited to in big jets, but the principles are the same, it’s about doing it better than the next guy, getting a smooth flow between turns and ultimately not cocking it up 😂
I remember it for that approach, and that it was the night of the terror attack there which will forever be with me, so amazing I remember the fun of the approach at all… that’s the power of that buzz, even when tempered so much by an industry horrified by risk.
Great story with Chris and his son and the coppers.
Chris Cooper’s guests were absolutely cracking…. Roger did drive for DR in the early Porsche days 👍
Thoroughly enjoying these weekly podcasts a joyful end to the week on my commute. As a result of listening to Manish speak so eloquently each week and occasionally swearing which sounds so good when coming from him, I revisited his film Senna this weekend. A film I had not watched since it first came out, there's something about getting older (48) that make such stories more poignant, the man died when he was 34 Ffs! Great film thank you Manish!
Keep up the good work team, don't block me for not having clear glass and wheels that aren't silver sorry😢
Chris Cooper absolutely nailed the dinner guests but then hit some slippery stuff an went off the track, the song was Jump, but the album was 1984 by Van Halen!! Both excellent choices Sir!!
Thank you for continuing to provide education and entertainment week on week: perfect medicine for too much horizontal rest time following a spine fusion. Slightly surprised more motorcycle racers not in the dinner guest mix beyond John McG - many characters from TT or (Moto) GP.
My five dinner guest would be, Guy Martin, Colin Mcrea, Nigel Mansell, Barry Sheen and James Hunt.
Two car garage challenge. You have decided to really do The Revival this year. Each of you has chosen a decade and each of you must choose two cars (one for you to arrive in and one for you to race). Two from the ‘20’s, 30’s, 40’s, 50’s, and 60’s. Each individual will be given 300k (GBP) with which to purchase your two vehicles. Assign the decades amongst yourselves.
Started listening to your podcasts every week on my dull train journey from Swindon to padders, got a lot of catching up to do. Then I see your on YT too, I get to put a face to a voice !! In my mind none of your faces matched what I had in my head whilst listening to the pods. Anyway I remember this episode as I own said Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 with the 4.4 AJA (Jag) NOT BMW engine, truely better than the god awful TDV6 which likes the break randomly and body off needed to do the smallest job. single figure digits mpg around town arn't great but add some LPG (if you can find it these days!) it's cheaper to run than a dirty diesel. And noone is called a dieselhead are they !!
As always, an entertaining zoom call to have watched.
Congrats on the year boys 🔥💪🏼
just brilliant -
Little Bird came on the other day when I was out in the car , great tune !
As is just about every tune she did when she was in the Eurythmics.
It was the L322 which used BMW's M62B44 4.4-litre V8
The L322 and E38 were the reason why BMW developed its M67D40 3.9-litre V8 twin-turbo diesel
Long time listener, first time watcher 😂
When you talk about people for dinner who had a great impact and have tales to tell you might like to look up Phil Irving. His Autobiography was one of the best reads that I have ever read. Unfortunately very difficult to find now and out of print. The one guy that would be top of my list though is Barry Sheene. There wouldn't be a dry eye in the house.
Great episode gents
3:50 it's called a quim of discos
Great podcast as usual, 5.0 V8 disco 4 on Pistonheads at the moment 😁
Get one Damien, it's a must!! Flipsake you have a phantom that you love and is a piece of class... Theirs no rule apart from coin saying that you can't. Life's too short and as you say people love them!! You won't be left with it like a 400i etc if you spoilt yourself. It's not always about breaking even or making a profit it's about fun and smiles per mile! 🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙
Left hand drive LR4 (Discovery 4) in the US has the 5.0L naturally aspirated V8; I think the engine was developed by Ford, some of the parts are stamped with FoMo. One of it's issues is timing chains (around 100K miles) but other than that it's buttery smooth... I love it!
Dad bought a d3 4.4 Jag ajv8, for over 15 years it did towing, off-roading, trips skiing, almost never broke, and was the best car he's owned, since he sold it nothings matched up to it. The only issue was the mpg at 15
Challenge for you...."ONE car NO garage". You find yourself in your early 30's living in suburban London, therefore the idea of a driveway (let alone a garage) is out of the question, street parking it is. As a motor enthusiast you need something fun that you can take outside of the M25 for the Sunday blast or up to Bicester Heritage for certain automotive related events ...BUT must not flash enough to risk being nicked. You have a £20,000 budget.
I’d invite you guys to my dinner party. It would be great!
Every time the camera goes to Chris cooper I keep wiping the screen thinking that thing on the ceiling is a spec of dirt on my screen 😂
Oh no - I can't unsee that now! 🫣
Where is Episode 50? Need my weekly fix
Any chance of a reading list somewhere?! You mention some great sounding car/racing books but I'm always driving when I listen and can't write them down!
Definitely a highlight of my week this. On the 2 car challenge, what 2 cars would you buy, budget of £50k, for someone (say a bloke in his 40's) who just isn't interested in cars, to give them an experience of why we love cars?
Own a Disco 3 with a 4.4 V8 Jag engine. Pretty bullet proof and great for transporting kids around.
Excellent podcast, as ever. Please do something about the sound though - I came here just to comment on the poor quality of the sound (from audio only podcast app). Some proper microphones would go a long way to enable us to hear your conversations properly.
If it already exists, I'd love to know about it. Could you put out a list of the books you've mentioned in previous episodes? I recently read Mr. Harris' book and I'm ravenous for any and all books that this group can recommend. Thank you for the wonderful podcast. I look forward to it every week.
Is a brand-new tire sexier than a well-used one?
Thinking of a shiny just delivered R compound vs soft fresh of a stint in WEC. With some contact marks on it for sprinkles.
I appreciated the D4/LR4 convo. As my daily, I drive a 2010 with 240,000kms (5.0L - "40, 45, 4.4, 5, 40, 45 LOL the surgeons) and I absolutely love it. I never want to replace it. If the engine blows, I'll have it rebuilt. I could get a new LR, but they simply don't do it for me. They're very "nice", but nope, not even close to the usability, user friendliness, looks, or character of the old car.
Manish has without doubt the finest choice of dinner guests. I love this podcast, it’s head and shoulders above the rest.
What is so bad about the disco 5 is it just its looks? Plenty of them around!
It’s Friday !
Knowing the countdown for the upload / premiere starts on Monday for myself is pure excitement each new week. Currently driving along in my “ high mileage “ 215K that is a e46 330d M Sport touring ( Clear glass & automatic) whilst drinking a flat white of Edwards personal preference. I can assure you there is not one single cup holder in sight as I know Neil has previously mentioned that he “ F-cking hates the things “
Long may these uploads continue & cheers to all the addicts you’re all wonderful ! I can also confirm the new Harris book is a fabulous read.
On the 5 people judging by the rest of his guests I was sure Edward's final guest was going to be Eddie Irvine. I listened to another podcast and they asked Guy Martin the same question his answer was slightly different. His dog, Hitler, Putin, Mike Tyson and Gengis Khan
Here in the States, all LR3's (Disco 3) can have the 4.4 V8 and is considered considerably more reliable than any engine from the LR4 (Disco 4), including that 5.0 V8. LR3 > LR4 for us.
Always remember seeing the (black and white) footage of the fateful last run of Bluebird 2 - seem to remember it was somewhere around 328-330 mph when it crashed….
What Cooper is telling us all... is he enjoys a long walk!
We did not trade Südtirol, the Italiens got it for chanching sides for opportunity.
Little Bird is suchhhhh a good song
Just realised that Ed’s related (possibly the son of) Dick Lovett. Who’s one of if not the largest BMW dealers in the UK.
Bruce McLaren, Ron Dennis, Mika Hakkinen, Daniel Ricciardo... and Zak Brown.
Hello, thank you so much for what you do! Really love it. Would be imterested to get your opinion of F1 the Qatar race, should it be cancelled just like the Russian GP? Thanks!
Listening from Kenya. Would love a Discovery 4 but we are Landcruiser country. King Charles visited last year and his Royal wheels was a Disco 4.
With regards to being a passenger, is that the passenger seat never seems quite right. Especially when you dont have the same seat adjustment control..
P.s. Will Neil now plan a road trip for Collecting cars and if so which cars will you all show up with on the road trip?
I had a Discovery 3 HSE from new and kept it until the new Discovery 5 came out. I agree that the Discovery 3 was a really great car. However, I disagree completely about the Discovery 5. I have a Discovery 5 Si which has the 3.0L V6 supercharged engine from the Jaguar F-type in it - it is much better in every way than my Discovery 3 was, a really great car. it is super comfortable, refined and massive inside. It has an amazing sound system and very competent on and off road.
Welcome to Alpine ownership Mr.Clifford!
Donald Campbell hit a peak of 328mph on his second run. His Etype didn't have DC7 that was in the film across the lake. His etype was GLM37C operlecant silver blue was the colour.
Broken crankshafts, cracked inlet manifolds, rattled big end bearings, return fuel line leaks, cracked return cooling water collectors. Yep, peak Land Rover.,
Picture of Luca D looks like Alan Bastard’s photo from his TV programme.🙈
About the Discovery 4, would you rather have the 2.7 with a manual gearbox or the 3.0 auto?
Discovery 4 was a great looking package - useful ...like a Labrador (to use Chris C's analogy). But like a Labrador (which has weak hips), Discovery 4 has a weak drive train....snapped cranks etc. making it a vehicle where you never know how you will finish your journey (AA/RAC transporter), so not for me.
Discovery 5 is a hideous bloated gargoyle.
Peak Land Rover was the original 3 door Range Rover IMO
There was never a manual V8 L319 Disco, only the previous gen Disco (which was basically a RRC). BMW engines never went into L319/L320, it was only L322 as thst essentially was a BMW by birth.
*Mk I*
- 3.5-litre Rover V8
- 4.0-litre Rover V8
- 2.5-litre 200 / 300 TDi 4-pot
*Mk II*
- 4.0-litre Rover V8
- 4.6-litre Rover V8
- 2.5-litre Rover Td5 5-pot
*Mk III*
- 4.0-litre Ford Cologne V6
- 4.4-litre Jaguar AJ-V8 V8
- 2.7-litre Ford AJD-V6 V6
*Mk IV*
- 3.0-litre Jaguar AJ-V6 V6 S/C
- 4.0-litre Ford Cologne V6
- 5.0-litre Jaguar AJ-V8 V8
- 2.7-litre Ford AJD-V6 V6
- 3.0-litre Ford AJD-V6 V6
*Mk V*
- 2.0-litre JLR Ingenium 4-pot
- 3.0-litre Jaguar AJ-V6 V6
- 3.0-litre JLR Ingenium 6-pot
- 2.0-litre JLR Ingenium 4-pot
- 3.0-litre Ford AJD-V6 V6
I'm surprised the police let you off with that. Its up to the owner to make sure their insurance is right...(even if someone else made the mistake).
I wonder where Neil got his Keep Left bollard from? 🤔
Gentlemen, another great episode.
The F40 10 ft behind Neil Clifford.
Cheers