Collecting Addicts Episode 51: Lewis to Ferrari, F1 Silly Season & Coffee Runs in Auckland & Sydney
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Well, the one week the addicts decide to pre-record an episode is the one week where the biggest F1 news drops... Perhaps they should do it more often to keep F1 interesting throughout the year!
In other news, Porsche - who can do no wrong - seems to get EVs wrong, our addicts have been down under to see some quality metal, and FINALLY: Manish drove a Ferrari 456!
So sit back, relax, and tune in to Episode 51 of the Collecting Addicts Podcast.
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(00:00) Intro
(01:04) Electric Porsches
(16:25) This week in cars
(43:32) Formula 1 silly season
(01:03:46) Two car garage
(01:13:21) Driving Tunes
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About Collecting Addicts Podcast:
Collecting Addicts is one of the leading automotive podcast hosted by Chris Harris along with fellow addicts Edward Lovett, Manish Pandey, Neil Clifford and Chris Cooper.
This eclectic bunch of car addicts gather online weekly to discuss all things automotive, from the minutiae of best gloveboxes to the latest happenings in top-tier motorsport.
They answer burning questions from listeners, debate the best and worst from the car world over the decades, and make time for regular features including ‘Two Car Garage’ and ‘Driving Tunes’.
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About EVs, Harry’s Garage just made an interesting video about it.
Good call! I was just about to mention the same thing.. Battery degradation being the elephant in the room and how it should be used as a metric to judge used values.
It was an excellent video! Best and most balanced yet. Should be mandatory watching for politicians!
@@ColinCarFan hear hear!
@@ColinCarFanpretty much all of Harrys videos should be mandatory viewing for politicians.
Watched that yesterday, big point why can’t I see my EV battery degradation, even my Apple phone can show me that info.
Can we please have a garage tour of all of Neil’s cars to see all his weird and wonderful specs!
The way Manish describes anything is just so descriptive and beautiful.
Its his job
Agreed, except F1, query his claim that Schumacher’s time at Merc ‘really undid’ his incredible decade at Ferrari, is that really true? And similarly re Hamilton, is the ‘moment we will all remember’ really him losing in 2021, over 6 years of championships? Love Manish but I’m not buying it.
So happy for Manish. Watching the rest of the crew sit in quiet amazement while Manish gushes about his experience was really special. Good work gentlemen.
Podcasts need to view Collecting Addicts to understand the manners that must be a standard in their own. To many talk over another or guests and it completely ruins a potentially great subject/convo.
It doesn't matter about the level of funding into your podcast if you cant hold one.
Manish's response to driving the 456 is classic. It is a stunning example of how we love cars with soul and style, as opposed to EV SUVs!
I love Manish's emotion - I think sometimes we get a bit too 'meh' about cars because of journalists etc. getting to drive everything so nothing is special. But hearing him talk about how much he loved driving the 456 is just lovely.
Yep, Harry's Garage piece on this yesterday is very good and rounded
pieve on what? they dicsussed 400 things
Electric cars.
Loved this, the waxing lyrical from Manish about the 456 was superb
What a wonderful eulogy Manish gives about the 456 - not tempered by exposure to all types of metal, hearing the joy and enthusiasm was amazing.! @Manish you are more than welcome to drive my 612 (F1 gearbox not manual)
what about me?
Watch your door mirrors if you do 😂
I loved hearing Manish describe the 456 experience. So great!
Honey wake up, Collecting Addicts dropped.
Best Mercedes Lewis memory is winning at Silverstone dragging his car
Yeah that is a good one. My fav has to be Brazil 2021.
I love all the addicts. If you had to do a take on a "trio car show" though, I'd want Cooper, Harris and Clifford
I couldn't stop smiling listening to Manish talk about his experience with the 456
53:10 I think Charles’ reaction from conference on Monaco weekend when asked about the rumours says everything. He knew even 8 months ago and isn’t bothered. They’re both clearly one of, if not the brightest drivers on the grid, hopefully the rest of the team will be on the championship level as well.
Yeah I thought the same, didn’t he basically let up that this was happening, he’s probably still confident of being #1
I don’t own an Ev..but I have owned several cordless drills.
A big round of applause for the Argentinosaurus, the Patagotitan, the Ruyangosaurus, the Diplodocus and the Sauroposeidon.
2 Car Garage Suggestion: Your 50th birthday is looming, you run a successful catering company and have decided to treat yourself to a new (to you) 2 car garage. You need a daily which you can use to visit clients (so not too ostentatious), spy on competitors and is relatively economical and practical. You also want something for a bit of fun at the weekend, you are beginning to realise that power isn't everything and driving fun is more important, thus you are looking for something that is most fun to drive under triple digits (the sweet spot where your significant doesn't say your driving too fast). Having just engine swapped your eldest sons mini R53 you are open to something that may require some mechanical tlc. The budget, the same amount you can't bring yourself to spend on a 992 Carrera, £90,000. Love the podcast and keep up the great work.
I bought my first EV this year and love it. Admittedly it's only a slightly used BMW i3S but it's a fantastic thing. We have an ICE car as well but each morning the i3S seems to be the one we both try to grab the keys for.
Neil, what a wonderful gesture to organise a drive like that for Manish. The act of a legendary friend, bravo!
Thanks again for this lovely conversation - always looking forward to your next episode to listen to normal people talking about cars. Keep on going!
Spot on re electric, my wife is changing her co car now but the company are only allowing EV’s or full electric and the latter of the options are far cheaper bigger choice for her. No petrol or diesel choices whatsoever (330e estate is her current car). Harry’s video was spot on as well. I’ve noticed list prices of these electric are very high but within a year with only 4k miles have massive drops. Why would anyone buy private.
You can hear manish smile while describing his joy of driving the 456. He has a way with words that put a smile on my face while commuting to work. Keep up the good work "my babbers".
Harry Metcalfe's video yesterday on EV's nailed it, spoke the truth about the situation and has the platform to say what most of us petrolheads know and think. But we're a minority I'm afraid.
Oh Manish wow and Neil what a great mate hahahahahaha love it. So Manish it's getting closer?
I have a volvo ev (lease through work) works great for us as it does 200miles max a week picking kids up or going to the shops, for that use case they are class. Surely synthetic fuels are the future
it would be better, bio or synthetic and upcyccle the ice cars
Neil Clifford, you’ve sewn your master sergeant patch on upside down!
i try to look cool at his age, Im questioning the decision
I can still remember the first song I listened to in my first solo drive after passing my driving test (and that was 41 years ago)!! Its the kind of thing you remember for a lifetime. A rights of passage moment! Congrats Master Harris!
go on, leave us hanging like.......The Police? :)
Just caught with this tremendous series, completing in order as the car gods intended. So glad I did as there are so many in jokes and continuations from previous episodes. Cherry on the the cake is just as I finish episode 51, I turn off the M4 and head North onto the A419 and what do I see heading south on the opposite carriageway? THE yellow car. Superb.
Manish has the least amount of speaking time per episode. But, wow when he does speak he chooses his words so beautifully! Love the pod, thanks for the weekly episodes always looking forward to it
Problem is he has no car experience. I love him on the podcast but he needs to buy a car or two or three
Wonderful 456 story!
I once drove a manual, the standing memory is that it felt like a Miata to drive - that was astonishing considering the 1.8tonne weight. British racing green, champagne interior, manual & that stonking V12.. Lovely lovely car.
Despite sagging rooflining, door windows and the fact the complete tunnel console rocked back&forth with every gearchange.
2 Car Garage Idea:
You’ve been a lifelong petrolhead, traction tester and all round right foot carpet burrier. After finishing a stint driving other people’s cars for a living, writing about it and generally dicking around, with little to no time for yourself to simply enjoy driving, you have some spare time on your hands.
A soon to be retiring FI driver has been admiring you from afar for decades, and, although not partial to a man-kini he has taken a shine to you and decided to allow you to pilot any of his plethora of historic F1 cars on a road trip, from Watford Gap services down to Monaco for race weekend. The choice from this fantasy garage is limitless (just like his adoration for you) *wink wink. You may also pick the most incredible route through France, via any other neighbouring mountainous road section in Europe to fully immerse yourself in the sounds and smells of a bygone F1 masterpiece.
Your admirer will also pick up the bill for the chiropractor at the end and fly you back first class after the GP.
You are allowed a ‘fantasy’ co-driver (can be absolutely anyone) pick for the journey as they will be driving, and must purchase, a suitable support vehicle for tyres, luggage and 3 or 4 days or even a week's worth of Haribo and Mellow Birds Espresso, not to mention a big enough boot or cargo space for the bank vault of cash needed for the French rozzer’s speeding fines on the way down. The support vehicle must have street cred, curb appeal and never, ever, been anywhere near an electric charging point. We are talking retro chic, street cred and with a hint of peril at its chances of making it all the way to Monaco.
Put simply: one historic F1 car, one support vehicle, one fantasy co-driver to spend a week with. Choose your poison.
Best episode for a while. Loved it
Another certified addict classic 🔥
Chris sums it up - most people will keep the car they’ve got!
Best episode yet....
Congrats Manish! So happy for you
2 car garage idea:
It's 2004, you're a very successful distributor of naughty substances. You currently live in Atlanta, but soon you will be expanding to the westcoast. In your hometown, you made a lot of noise, constantly showing off exotics and luxury cars. You currently have a 2004 Bentley Arnage and a bright green Lamborghini Murcielago with a gated manual. When you get to Los Angeles, you want to be a little bit more low-key, whilst still enjoying the life of luxury. You're looking for an automatic cruiser for the more monotonous journeys and a sports or supercar for the odd occasion the schedule is free for a drive up the canyons. The budget is 1 million USD.
Idea for 2 car garage:
You're a professional in the South East in your late 20's. You're trying to slot in a premature mid-life crisis into the calendar before children, mortgage payments, and the seemingly inexorable march of electrification put paid to your dreams of mid-life sports car motoring. You've got £30k to play with for two cars (more if you're confident of low depreciation + maintenance). You "need" one sports car as your daily + road trip car, and something a bit more practical for your automatic-gearbox-only fiancée. While the sports car will be yours for the next few years, you know in your heart that it'll have to go when you buy the house, so you want to sneak enough fun into the second car to tide you over to your next toy.
Have loved every episode so far, keep it up 😊
this
automatic gf, future wife, should learn how to drive a manual... it is not quantum physics, you know..😉
Harry nailed it
I thought I was the only one lamenting the loss of instrument binacle cowling in cars. Its one of the reasons I love Alfa Romeos so much!
Made Lewis the face of f1 again.
If something happens with red bull and Christian I’d love to see Adrian newey at Ferrari with Lewis
Neil Clifford, love the jacket with the SR-71 reference.
Looking at Neil in his hat and bomber jacket, being unhappy with electric cars. I really think he's my older spirit animal 🤔
Manish, your description of the 456GT experience has brought back so many memories of my own - all too brief - romance with the soulful four-seat Ferrari. I bought my 1995, rosso/crema, manual, example from Maranello Concessionaires back in 2000. I loved it. The way it looked, the power, the noise, the open gate gear change and the way it handled like a car half its size on damp roundabouts! It wasn't perfect though and it wasn't long before I discovered why I was the 5th owner in less than 6000miles. During my 5month/4000mile tenure it spent 13 weeks in Maranello's workshop having various minor and major faults rectified. When it finally returned, I took it for a short drive (to confirm everything was working before embarking on a road trip to Scotland) and the water pump exploded leaving me in a cloud of steam on the A23. It went back to Egham with the V5 in the glove box and I never saw it again. Still miss it.
its dogdoo lol
Two Car Garage Proposal - You are a 35 year old Veterinary Surgeon who has recently had the chance to buy into the practice they have worked at for a decade. You want to treat yourself to two cars to celebrate. As your work involves examining horses and farm animals which can be a messy business; one car needs to reflect this and be able to carry all the necessary gear to deal with such situations. It would preferably be new with warranty. The second car is a weekend sporty number for blasting the Lake District B roads as that is where you live. Budget is £100,000 but as the first car can be written down against tax there may be some wiggle room 😅
Love the pod, highlight of my Friday commute. Jonny Place
i work in retail, that "i dont like mondays" comment hit hard!
I do love this podcast and wait with anticipation each week. Mr. Clifford’s mid-life crisis dressing is a little distracting but I can’t wait to see what mad item will come next…😂
Flying around the world, then discussing planet saving EV's. Bizzare
Great Episode. Top work.
Another brilliant installment
Lewis’s Mercedes legacy will not be defined by 2021 in the sense that most fans will remember how he swept so many championships over the years with them rather than the one that he was robbed of
@chriscooper: The correct term is the "Vapo-gun". Vaporises the vehicle in front allowing you to pass through the cloud of vapour it creates. Main uses:
1. Scottish highland roads for those not proceeding with appropriate haste (and/or camper vans)
2. those hogging the outside lane when they should be movign over to allow me to pass
The "Vapo" bit is relatively easy, but re-assembling the vapour to un-kill those who failed to pull over is still work in progress. If left to Microsoft, you'll have a blue screen failure, for those using apple, it'll be creative and look pretty but may not be what you started with
I wish i was a chic Frenchman with a background in Louis Vuitton and owned that Ferrari since 1996 .... Almost sounded like one of the imaginary dream car days these guys come up with.
Excellent episode, glad you enjoyed Auckland (may have to change nickname to JAFA)
I think for the likes of the GT3 RS and other track cars, post-ban manufacturers will just sell non-road legal track cars - just take your ICE track car to the track on a trailer with your EV.
Not only 80% EV by 2030 but Euro 7 pretty much kills off any non-hybrid ICE engines - with some exceptions for smaller manufacturers.
Toto Wolff has made it clear that Lewis would be gone by the end of the 2025 anyway. Great move for Lewis to go to Ferrari where he can drive for longer.
@10:20 thank you Chris for pointing out something that needs to be addressed. Not only EVs but almost all cars with diigital gauge clusters have gone this route of an ipad style screen with no cowling.
Cortina estate 1970 940kg, Mercedes EQV 2024 2960kg, Taycan 2,295 kg. WHY?
Porsche Taycan with a few ops... £100K. 50% drop in three years. Then Porsche announce that the next one will be even better in 3 years time. So everyone is going to wait until then. Penny's dropped, no one wants them.
Half the answer is would you want to be in the cortina coffin, or a modern car in an accident?
And ev adds weight.
A modern car doesn’t mean an EV car. There’s plenty of very cheap cars with a 5* NCAP rating.
So adding an additional 2.15 tonnes to a vehicle makes it safer? That philosophy makes Gordon Murrays T50 997kg a death trap? 2.15 tonnes of additional weight does not make for a safer vehicle. @@meirionrhys3786
Im all up for a conspiracy !
So Lewis to Ferrari way before its normally announced
Professional hit job on Horner
Which then would release Newey to Ferrari
Timed perfectly with Ferraris financial reporting and the new film
Is it just me ?
I had planned 2 years ago to have 2 car garage when I hit 60. A small leased electric town car to do the local trips and a descent, sporty petrol car for the long distance trips to Wales, Devon, Cheshire etc. I have scrapped this idea now. Harry has done a great video on the this. A leased electric Range Rover sport was £1k a month, a sport 300 diesel is £600 a month. The difference is the OTR cost
Sounds like Bernie’s button is still available and it got hit twice. Another great episode from collecting cars.
Chris , you came out Heathrow 7am, was gonna say hi but you looked knackered. Neil Yates is a good mate and we have met briefly before
I think Chris C’s argument on Taycan vs Panamera has changed now, the new Panamera is hybrid only in all but base trim, so you’re carrying round even more weight than a Taycan.
Great Video!
What a Bonce Warmer Neil, Objet Cl'art 😚
See Harry's excellent analysis in his latest video re electric cars.
Aye aye, Clifford's gone full Nathan Barley.
Convertible: GTO Engineering Ferrari 250 GT California. Looks a million dollars (because it is)! And, likely to stay there. Track Car: McLaren 765 LT.
We want a real coverage of the Louise to Ferrari deal on Friday! chop chop! =)
You guys skirted around the "best two car solution", but didn't nail it... 1) Fast convertible road car: 720S Spyder. 2) Track-focused supercar: Another 720S Spyder. Want to save a few quid? buy one instead of two. And as a "single-car for the two-car need", it destroys the 458 Aperta in bang-for-buck.
Yes mannish!!!! Ferrari ❤
Boom, doom tsss - "tires..." tss "euuuurghh" - Neil Clifford
2 possible 2 car garages
Family car and fun car. Combined weight of less than 2000kg. Budget £100,000
Estate and convertible. Manufacturer cannot originate from following countries: Uk, Germany, Italy, Japan, US, France. Budget £50,000
The denial of Andretti is absolutely disgusting. The Lewis news, thankfully, overshadowed it.
can we please have a collecting cars merch t shirt of Neil waving his index finger in approval!? - with fashionable black rimmed glasses and crazy hat with man cave in background???
100% with the macan. Absolutely not with the taycan
I know a lot of us are old here so we’re not sure all this works, like the video!!!!
Last year here in Oz i travelled 2500k in3 days impossible here in an electric vehicle. This car was my 2000 Outback liberty with 350000ks just keep and look after your old car. It still feels like a pair of old comfortable shoes.
did 1500 in one day on my e46 2.8 the other day. wonderful :)
@@PazLeBon nice but not with an electric car hahaha 😆
@@graemewilson1400for real ;)
EVs work very well for a small second car for short trips round town ,which is what we bought a second hand one for (at an excellent knock down price), can charge it at home at 7.5p per Kwh, range isn't anything we need to worry about, does my wifes short commute and other local trips with ease. But for shifting the four of us plug dogs and luggage half way up the country to visit family on a regular basis? Thats what the big comfy diesel estate is for. The future isn't going to be one thing or another, but the manufactorers have taken a complete wrong turn on EVs and where they fit into the world with the current state of the techology.
Funny - we are the opposite!- EV gets used for long trips as only 7.5p kWh overnight (have done 45k in 2 years) 2nd car is a 3litre diesel which gets used by whoever is going shortest journey. Have only used public chargers once or twice - have done quite a few 250 mile round trips
so thats a terrible decision carbon footprint wise
@@unlikelymechanic9829 diesels cant be defended
I thought Jag I-Pace was positioned in a very similar market. Would be curious to see how newer technology and management system would engage the market.
EV’s - The worm has started to turn.
Regarding EV’s - Harry’s Garage just made an on point video about this. Too expensive, too little range, too much battery degradation, depreciation is horrendous, etc etc. Most people just don’t want them, and those that do don’t want spend a tonne of money on a 5,000,0000 Bhp super car.
massive con and wrecking the planet making them. should have benn wayyy more facts about this stuff
So Manish, is the Swiss 456 still available?
I wonder if you guys could do a segment on Le Mans ?
I’m thinking of going this year but the websites where you book the tickets are , how you say ?, total shite .
I’ve heard some horror stories too about the public campsites 😂
I’m sure a few of you have been 👍🏻
Invite Harry or better still get into a Range Rover, all of you, pick some sandwiches and go visit Harry
Would be a great visit.
And talk EVs.
All the VAG sites need chargers,
40p per KW….. Done ! All
VAG EV’s work in the uk
Have had 2x Teslas work gov elec tax scheme. I've never had an issue traveling in the UK. Maybe it's the Tesla super charging system but charging is not a problem.
11:10 Guessing Neil and Chris sit at different angles to the instruments lol...that may have been more Chris' issue ;)
I hope for two things - first I hope the owner of the Ferrari 456 lets Manish keep the mirror as is, and second I hope someone animates the story of the 456 at 30:30
I have a 2017 diesel C class, and after a recent rental of a Polestar 2, I’ll be keeping the Merc for the foreseeable. New cars have too much intrusive tech, and EVs are hamstrung by charging infrastructure and a ridiculous price for a car that I need to fit my life around rather than be a tool that serves me.
id shush about diesel poison
@PazLeBon Having worked in vehicle emissions for a decade, I know that a modern diesel is THE most environmentally appropriate fuel for most applications. NOx and CO2 are very low as are particulates. Drive a modern diesel through most cities and what comes out of the tailpipe is cleaner than what went in. On motorways you get 70+ MPG too. So maybe wind in your brain washed bigotry and be open to science and not the media...
@@YellowPinkiehhahahahahah a Diesel cars tend to have lower volumetric fuel
consumption figures than comparable gasoline vehicles.
However, the benefit in terms of CO2 emissions is
significantly lower, as the combustion of 1 liter of diesel
fuel releases approximately 13% more CO2 than for the
same amount of gasoline fuel. Diesel engines require
fuel-intensive NOx
reduction technologies and are
heavier than their gasoline counterparts, which further
reduces the alleged CO2 benefit of diesel cars. Diesel cars
also typically are equipped with more powerful engines
and have a higher real-world CO2 emissions gap than
gasoline cars. Furthermore, Diesel engines are inherently
more expensive to manufacture than gasoline enginesa so you'd be 100% against a new EV then with a caqrbon footpront that my old ice would producein the next 20 years
@@YellowPinkie hahahaha doesnt matter how long you worked somewhere if so unaware of reality. Diesel cars tend to have lower volumetric fuel consumption figures than comparable gasoline vehicles, 70mpg you say woohooo. fair enough
However, the benefit in terms of CO2 emissions is significantly lower, as the combustion of 1 liter of diesel
fuel releases approximately 13% more CO2 than for the same amount of gasoline fuel. Diesel engines require
fuel-intensive NOx reduction technologies and are heavier than their gasoline counterparts, which further reduces the alleged CO2 benefit of diesel cars. Diesel cars also typically are equipped with more powerful engines and have a higher real-world CO2 emissions gap than gasoline cars. Furthermore, Diesel engines are inherently
more expensive to manufacture than gasoline engines. so iaccusations of bigotry and way out of line and you are defending a proven lost arguement which is overall just common sense anyway as its dirtier fiue fullstop.
EV'S another level of incompetency and an even bigger carbon probem
@@YellowPinkie youre as green as you are yellow
"Thinks he is a flower to be looked at..."
Come on Manish, there are plenty quality F 456 examples available in the U.K & Europe. On which platform??? Collecting cars!!
Shame you hadn’t watched the Harry’s Garage video from yesterday prior to the EV chat as he raised all the challenges facing the EV market.
This episode was recorded on Wednesday morning.
@@collectingcars when someone from your superb team is away, or just as a quest, you could do much worse than having Harry on podcast.
Monkey does it again, buys a press car he thrashed himself 😂
I feel Chris Cooper and the boys did a disservice as to why F1 is denying Cadillac/Andretti. Cadillac has a lot of experience racing in distance/endurance racing, with GM able to build a motor or two for competition. They have their own money and R and D, with Andretti racing as the shop to do the assembly and provide tools and know how, with GM engineers…..clearly not about having to spend money on a new team, it’s about that new team taking money away from an organization. It’s about press being focused and paying for someone else and not them, lowering the pot the teams split every year because 11 instead of 10 teams…..I mean really Cooper, siding with them blindly, is because America scares you?
No, it’s obvious. F1 is a business, the 10 teams are effectively stakeholders in that business. Theres absolutely no point in diluting their market share, and for what? Nothing that helps them. It’s obvious. Grow up
I wonder if there were massive purchases of Ferrari or Liberty stock prior to the announcement. Insider trading would be my first guess for why maximum impact was so important.
The green MG metro was definitely the stand out cool car in Sydney - Neil needs to do the next AuNz trip!
stand out cos half os us go mehhhhhh
It will be interesting to see if Ferrari allow Lewis to arrive at circuits on race weekends NOT in team kit, He should look every bit the professional racing driver, and leave the Fashionista stuff for the Catwalk.
A question predominantly for Manish but I would be interested in everyone's opinion. Do you think Ayrton Senna would have driven for Ferrari towards the end of his career? Keep up the good work guys. Regards Mike Jones
He met Luca Montezemolo at his home, on the Wednesday before he died, to discuss just that. He was heading there for 1996 - Luca was 100% sure of that.