That is on its way. I bought some Maxamet I’ll be testing and I have an RC tester on the way. So we can get some more numbers behind all these steels being tested. I also thought it was odd but a second test is coming for sure! 👊🏻🍻
Not necessarily harder. It could be the microstructure of the steel, and also could be one has been sharpened back more into fresh steel while the other still might have some burnt steel on it
I've been eyeing a bento box k390 para 3, sad to hear that you found the steel soft. Do you think that's a consistent problem? Would it make any sense to try to get it re-heat-treated? Also, why do you think it is? Made by the same company, it's weird to hear that it's variable like that. Is the police japanese? PS, I ended up with a reground superfreek that you did off the reddit knife swap and it's killer, instantly became my #1 edc
I’d say get it. Even though it’s somewhat softer than a small batch knife would be, it’s still an excellent user. I think the issue is that a lot of companies go right off the data sheet. They’ll test a sample and if it falls within spec then they go with that. It can get somewhat complicated the larger the batch it too. Spyderco golden sends stuff out for HT, but no one knows where. The police was made in Seki Japan. Awwww dude! I wondered where that thing went! That was a long time ago! Hahah. I think that did really well post Regrind. Glad you like it dude! 👊🏻🍻
A lot of variables to make those assumptions, But thank you for taking the time to test. The highest I've seen the Police 4 tested is 65.5 and BBB post only one 10V at 64.6! If your beating Maxamet with 10V, Something is off?!? Here's a great quote from custom knifemaker Phil Wilson, Who has been using PMA11 , 10V , K294, And K390 since release: "I have been using K390 from the start ever since it was introduced by Bohler and I got some small samples to try. A bit of history is that it is the European version of CPM 10V but not the exact chemistry (about 1% less V plus small addition of a few others). That is because the CPM 10V chemistry was protected by patent at the time. If you check the K390 data sheet it claims that the bit less V gives K 390 a little boost in impact toughness. It also can be heat treated at a lower temp. than 10v. So it is pretty much the same as the A11 grade but different in a few small details. It is hard to tell the difference between CPM 10v and BU K390 in the real world in my experience. I like both grades and they are the base line (along with Vanadius 10 and K294) from which I measure wear resistance. The 5 chrome is there to make them all air hardening among other things and does not contribute much to corrosion resistance. It is going to make a killer knife in the new offering and be another classic. Phil" Thanks for video
Agreed 100%. I have a Rockwell machine coming and I’ll be testing the Rockwell of these three knives to eliminate some of those variables. This certainly isn’t the end all be all. I think the reason the 10V edged out the Maxamet was the thickness behind the edge on the Maxamet was .023 where the 10v was the .020. This matters. Also the Maxamet may have been around 66-66.5hrc. Assumptions. I know. But 10v only beat out the Maxamet by 5% or 20 cuts. Which is negligible. The cuts should be in the spread sheet I provided. Also, other testers have experienced this. @supersteelsteve saw this in his K390 video, with I think, a similar margin. I’m fully confident a harder Maxamet blade would beat out both K390 and 10V by a significant margin. We will be seeing that with the CATRA testing that’s going on as well. But the point was that these steels, K390 and 10v are on a level playing field and I happen to prefer K390 over 10v. Nice quote by Phill Wilson, I remember reading it in the Spyderco forum a while back. But it’s good to be reminded of how these more experienced knife makers carved a path for other knife makers and enthusiasts alike. Thanks for watching man! Appreciate the conversation!
@@alexsteingraber That's great to hear your getting a hardness tester. I saw SSS video on the K390 "out cutting " Maxamet . It's my belief he was biased in that test as he was trying to show HRC significance (his channel theme from beginning ) to edge retention. Maxamet at 66 should out cut 10V , K390 , PMA11, And K294 @64-66 and completely pull away with Maxamet hardened to 68/69! The composition of Maxamet is just turbocharged even over 10V class steels. JMHO Look forward to seeing more videos on your channel Alex!
Knife Video Channel You know. You’re right. Unless that Maxamet was toast, it should have done better. I’ll have to get another PM2 In Max and do another test and have more data points. But, Maxamet at .015 BTE smoked everything I’ve ever tested or seen tested. So that good! Hahaha. Thanks again man! 👊🏻🍻
Watched this video twice. I have a pm2 and k2 in 10v. I also have a police and pm2 in k390. I like all 4 knifes and I agree that SPYDERCO is really doing a Great job putting these steels out there for us. Thank you Spyderco, sincerely. I would like to note that when you purchase these knifes, as you demonstrated with the 2 police models luck is involved as far as the heated treated and composition of the steels, which I can live with. The difference I see in the steels comes down to price, about 40-60 dollars if you are lucky enough to get one when they go up. Alot more if you are chasing in secondary market. Do you think that $50.00 say for an extra 100 cuts is worth it? Pm2 versus the good police model? Then think about the pm2 versus the bad police model, how do you feel then? I know the police k390 is
Thanks for watching Tim! Luck of the draw sure is involved when getting these knives. And I couldn’t agree more on the price points. I feel like they should run smaller batches when they heat treat... I know, I know... Volume. But still, make the tolerances tighter. And as far as the PM2 in K390, way over priced. It’s an exclusive and so was the 10v at 169. The k390 was 189? I think the 10v PM2, for the price, is the better deal. You are correct on that one. Still would have like to have seen the K390 PM2 at around 64.5 or greater. Just a shame to me that it’s at 63. No slouch by any means but would have been nice.
Priced differently because it is longer blade. But the difference in blade steel versus the price and luck of heat treat/composition is a bit of a crap shoot in my opinion.
Sure man! I think I can do a video like that. Might be a min as I have some plans on other videos. But this is certainly something I want to do in the future. Thanks for the sub brother! 👊🏻🍻
Noah Keama not sure. Might be something that a local heat treater could do. It’s a very tome consuming process and you could ruin your knife. It’s not as simple as heat treating and everything is fine.
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The police 4 in k390 is my most carried and loved folder
It’s the best! Haha. I got used to the size after about a week of use. Such a great knife! 👊🏻🍻
Alex Steingraber agreed! It carries very well too being so slim.
I just got my k390 endura in the mail today. I just put my own edge on. Can't wait to actually use it, and see how it works out.
You’re gonna love it!
Great Video My Man, DAMN you explained a HELL of a lot of things that I had no idea of and I really appreciate that. 🤝🏾👍🏾
Thank you for the support dude! 👊🏼🍻
@@alexsteingraber Anytime Brother, keep the Info coming because I'll sure be tuning in......🤝🏾😷👍🏾
Earned a subscriber and caused me to buy a police 4
Wow! Thank you man! 🤣👊🏻🍻 It really is a great knife! Let me know how you like it!
Like to see retest of maxamet and at HRC 67or up as most are running 67-69
That is on its way. I bought some Maxamet I’ll be testing and I have an RC tester on the way. So we can get some more numbers behind all these steels being tested. I also thought it was odd but a second test is coming for sure! 👊🏻🍻
That pool cue door bar tho (:
Not necessarily harder. It could be the microstructure of the steel, and also could be one has been sharpened back more into fresh steel while the other still might have some burnt steel on it
I've been eyeing a bento box k390 para 3, sad to hear that you found the steel soft. Do you think that's a consistent problem? Would it make any sense to try to get it re-heat-treated?
Also, why do you think it is? Made by the same company, it's weird to hear that it's variable like that. Is the police japanese?
PS, I ended up with a reground superfreek that you did off the reddit knife swap and it's killer, instantly became my #1 edc
I’d say get it. Even though it’s somewhat softer than a small batch knife would be, it’s still an excellent user.
I think the issue is that a lot of companies go right off the data sheet. They’ll test a sample and if it falls within spec then they go with that. It can get somewhat complicated the larger the batch it too. Spyderco golden sends stuff out for HT, but no one knows where. The police was made in Seki Japan.
Awwww dude! I wondered where that thing went! That was a long time ago! Hahah. I think that did really well post Regrind. Glad you like it dude! 👊🏻🍻
The Bento Box Para 3s have been tested at 63-64, which is the recommended HRC?
Every time he says HRC, i think Hilary Rodham Clinton
I cannot unsee this. How dare you!
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ALL DAY LONG! 1gg3 EYEWTKAS! 👊🏻🍻
A lot of variables to make those assumptions, But thank you for taking the time to test.
The highest I've seen the Police 4 tested is 65.5 and BBB post only one 10V at 64.6! If your beating Maxamet with 10V, Something is off?!?
Here's a great quote from custom knifemaker Phil Wilson, Who has been using PMA11 , 10V , K294, And K390 since release:
"I have been using K390 from the start ever since it was introduced by Bohler and I got some small samples to try. A bit of history is that it is the European version of CPM 10V but not the exact chemistry (about 1% less V plus small addition of a few others). That is because the CPM 10V chemistry was protected by patent at the time. If you check the K390 data sheet it claims that the bit less V gives K 390 a little boost in impact toughness. It also can be heat treated at a lower temp. than 10v. So it is pretty much the same as the A11 grade but different in a few small details. It is hard to tell the difference between CPM 10v and BU K390 in the real world in my experience. I like both grades and they are the base line (along with Vanadius 10 and K294) from which I measure wear resistance. The 5 chrome is there to make them all air hardening among other things and does not contribute much to corrosion resistance. It is going to make a killer knife in the new offering and be another classic. Phil"
Thanks for video
Agreed 100%. I have a Rockwell machine coming and I’ll be testing the Rockwell of these three knives to eliminate some of those variables.
This certainly isn’t the end all be all. I think the reason the 10V edged out the Maxamet was the thickness behind the edge on the Maxamet was .023 where the 10v was the .020. This matters. Also the Maxamet may have been around 66-66.5hrc. Assumptions. I know. But 10v only beat out the Maxamet by 5% or 20 cuts. Which is negligible. The cuts should be in the spread sheet I provided. Also, other testers have experienced this. @supersteelsteve saw this in his K390 video, with I think, a similar margin. I’m fully confident a harder Maxamet blade would beat out both K390 and 10V by a significant margin. We will be seeing that with the CATRA testing that’s going on as well. But the point was that these steels, K390 and 10v are on a level playing field and I happen to prefer K390 over 10v.
Nice quote by Phill Wilson, I remember reading it in the Spyderco forum a while back. But it’s good to be reminded of how these more experienced knife makers carved a path for other knife makers and enthusiasts alike.
Thanks for watching man! Appreciate the conversation!
**Correction, the Maxamet had a BTE of .023 and the 10v was the factory .025. So these being so close maybe negligible variables. Sorry about that.
@@alexsteingraber That's great to hear your getting a hardness tester.
I saw SSS video on the K390 "out cutting " Maxamet . It's my belief he was biased in that test as he was trying to show HRC significance (his channel theme from beginning ) to edge retention. Maxamet at 66 should out cut 10V , K390 , PMA11, And K294 @64-66 and completely pull away with Maxamet hardened to 68/69! The composition of Maxamet is just turbocharged even over 10V class steels. JMHO
Look forward to seeing more videos on your channel Alex!
Knife Video Channel You know. You’re right. Unless that Maxamet was toast, it should have done better. I’ll have to get another PM2 In Max and do another test and have more data points. But, Maxamet at .015 BTE smoked everything I’ve ever tested or seen tested. So that good! Hahaha. Thanks again man! 👊🏻🍻
Watched this video twice. I have a pm2 and k2 in 10v. I also have a police and pm2 in k390. I like all 4 knifes and I agree that SPYDERCO is really doing a Great job putting these steels out there for us. Thank you Spyderco, sincerely. I would like to note that when you purchase these knifes, as you demonstrated with the 2 police models luck is involved as far as the heated treated and composition of the steels, which I can live with. The difference I see in the steels comes down to price, about 40-60 dollars if you are lucky enough to get one when they go up. Alot more if you are chasing in secondary market. Do you think that $50.00 say for an extra 100 cuts is worth it? Pm2 versus the good police model? Then think about the pm2 versus the bad police model, how do you feel then? I know the police k390 is
Thanks for watching Tim! Luck of the draw sure is involved when getting these knives. And I couldn’t agree more on the price points. I feel like they should run smaller batches when they heat treat... I know, I know... Volume. But still, make the tolerances tighter. And as far as the PM2 in K390, way over priced. It’s an exclusive and so was the 10v at 169. The k390 was 189? I think the 10v PM2, for the price, is the better deal. You are correct on that one. Still would have like to have seen the K390 PM2 at around 64.5 or greater. Just a shame to me that it’s at 63. No slouch by any means but would have been nice.
Priced differently because it is longer blade. But the difference in blade steel versus the price and luck of heat treat/composition is a bit of a crap shoot in my opinion.
Couldn’t agree more!
Are you still doing regrinds?
Can you do a video where you rank say your top 10 or 20 steels in order and why? Sub.
Sure man! I think I can do a video like that. Might be a min as I have some plans on other videos. But this is certainly something I want to do in the future. Thanks for the sub brother! 👊🏻🍻
@@alexsteingraber Thanks! Will be looking for it.
I wanna see more shit! Lol
More shit on the way!
Nice vid man. Just subbed 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 got an IG?
Thanks brother! @alexsteingraber is my IG handle. 👊🏻🍻
Where can I send my K390 para 3 to get heat treated ?
Noah Keama not sure. Might be something that a local heat treater could do. It’s a very tome consuming process and you could ruin your knife. It’s not as simple as heat treating and everything is fine.
RUclips sent me...have u been drinking...are your cue cards in the wrong order...is my Nokia buffering...odd cadence my friend....are you just moving into the shop space or out...so many ?’s
Actually I can't stand when people say actually.
Another great vid.
Until you told me not to cough on people.
🤣🤣🤣 Im just doing my part to stop the spread.
@@alexsteingraberYeah so's my wife.