Oh. I think i should mention. The reason i ended up going that thin bte. Was i tested it when it was. About the thickness of that sort of cleaver shaped blade give or take. I tried chopping for a while (hard to do with a small edc like that). Then switched to batoning it across the grain on some wood. It didnt see any noticable damage from doing that. At least to my eyes. My thought was. Since its not made for that kind of work. It doesnt need to have a thick geometry made to withstand that, so i might as well take it thinner to get that slicing performance.
Do you make knives in s125v? I love that drop point design, it lolike a perfect edc fixed blade and I'd love to own one. Thin stock, thin grind, great steel and heat treatment and a great design is pretty much everything I'm looking for in a knife. Great job on both knives.
Yeah I am sort of familiar with Jason and his knowledge and capabilities. I would say that, if the readings are correct, the BTE thickness is too thin. Great for light duty work, but the ANDE rope is just too much. Suggest that this edge is flattened on the side of a stone and then re-apexed, this will thicken it up a bit. Also looking forward to repeating the test with a NON stropped edge.....just right off the stones, but you need to make sure to have a clean apex off the stones. I think 400 grit stone would be a great start. The steel is solid, the heat treatment I am sure is solid, but that BTE (I could hardly call it thickness.....more like thinness!) is suspect. I also think 10V can make it through. My experience with K390 and 10V says.....yeah, that ANDE rope is toast.
I agree Stuart, I think it can make it, thanks for the input on BTE thickness. I have a little more testing to do, but I'm thinking about attacking the Death Rope with the 10V, maybe with a 400 grit CBN edge with minimal stropping - we'll see how the numbers line up in the next couple tests!
Me too! I've got through 6 stropping tests, and 21 rope cut tests in the last month that are not published yet. I'll probably shoot you an email with some interesting findings, but I think the new testing is really starting to show some cool observations!!! Got a new scale that's way more precise and is giving me actual reliable data, and the microscope I just got is really opening things up as well!
@@homeslicesharpening nice! I a microscope i think is a great tool for this kind of testing. Can certainly take out some of the guesswork. At some point (probably not anytime soon) im going to get a metallurgical microscope myself. At least thats my plan. To really start getting into testing different heat treatments and what they do to the carbide structures of the steels. (I think i replied to the wrong comment with my other reply somehow)
@@_BLANK_BLANK All good bro, it's great to hear from you. I'm toying with the idea of trying the ANDE rope again with your knives but off of a 250 grit diamond or 400 grit CBN - we'll see how the CBN performs in the first round of tests.
Thanks for this series. Maybe just original edge issues. Outpost76 had clearly shown cutting improvement over the course of first three to four edges. Regards, steve
Interesting! But does "original edge" issues mainly refer to edge overheating by grinders? I think this knife was sharpened on flat stones. Interesting thought nonetheless! Thanks Steve!
How do I contact Jason? I love the drop point knife and would love to get one especially if it's possible to get one in s125v. I'm good on 10V for now since I just ordered a knife in Vanadis 10 at 65hrc which is a 10v class steel but with 8% Cr which should help with corrosion resistance. I found 8%Cr for me is a sweet spot where a steel doesn't corrode (3v, cruwear, k340) with my body chemistry but steels with 5% or lower like 4v, M4, 10V, Z-max and alike get a patina from touching the blade.
I'd say cleaver because it changes angle at one specific point, rather than a continuous curve, but such things come down to semantics sometimes, cheers guys 😁
Oh. I think i should mention. The reason i ended up going that thin bte. Was i tested it when it was. About the thickness of that sort of cleaver shaped blade give or take.
I tried chopping for a while (hard to do with a small edc like that). Then switched to batoning it across the grain on some wood. It didnt see any noticable damage from doing that. At least to my eyes.
My thought was. Since its not made for that kind of work. It doesnt need to have a thick geometry made to withstand that, so i might as well take it thinner to get that slicing performance.
And I'm so glad you did!!! That thing is gonna be thin behind the edge forEVER!
Do you make knives in s125v? I love that drop point design, it lolike a perfect edc fixed blade and I'd love to own one. Thin stock, thin grind, great steel and heat treatment and a great design is pretty much everything I'm looking for in a knife. Great job on both knives.
@@D00MTR33 i haven't worked with s125v yet. But i would be open to doing one in it.
Yeah I am sort of familiar with Jason and his knowledge and capabilities. I would say that, if the readings are correct, the BTE thickness is too thin. Great for light duty work, but the ANDE rope is just too much. Suggest that this edge is flattened on the side of a stone and then re-apexed, this will thicken it up a bit. Also looking forward to repeating the test with a NON stropped edge.....just right off the stones, but you need to make sure to have a clean apex off the stones. I think 400 grit stone would be a great start. The steel is solid, the heat treatment I am sure is solid, but that BTE (I could hardly call it thickness.....more like thinness!) is suspect. I also think 10V can make it through. My experience with K390 and 10V says.....yeah, that ANDE rope is toast.
I agree Stuart, I think it can make it, thanks for the input on BTE thickness. I have a little more testing to do, but I'm thinking about attacking the Death Rope with the 10V, maybe with a 400 grit CBN edge with minimal stropping - we'll see how the numbers line up in the next couple tests!
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Thanks mate! Sorry for the long delay. In real life my family just arrived and I've been getting them settled. All the best, take care!
Excited to see you put some of your edges on those.
I definitely think 10v can make it through.
Me too! I've got through 6 stropping tests, and 21 rope cut tests in the last month that are not published yet. I'll probably shoot you an email with some interesting findings, but I think the new testing is really starting to show some cool observations!!!
Got a new scale that's way more precise and is giving me actual reliable data, and the microscope I just got is really opening things up as well!
@@homeslicesharpening yeah. I wouldnt be surprised if the spine thickness isnt thinner than some production knives bte thickness.
@@homeslicesharpening nice! I a microscope i think is a great tool for this kind of testing. Can certainly take out some of the guesswork.
At some point (probably not anytime soon) im going to get a metallurgical microscope myself. At least thats my plan. To really start getting into testing different heat treatments and what they do to the carbide structures of the steels.
(I think i replied to the wrong comment with my other reply somehow)
@@_BLANK_BLANK I'm sure of it!!!
@@_BLANK_BLANK All good bro, it's great to hear from you. I'm toying with the idea of trying the ANDE rope again with your knives but off of a 250 grit diamond or 400 grit CBN - we'll see how the CBN performs in the first round of tests.
Thanks for this series. Maybe just original edge issues. Outpost76 had clearly shown cutting improvement over the course of first three to four edges. Regards, steve
Interesting! But does "original edge" issues mainly refer to edge overheating by grinders? I think this knife was sharpened on flat stones. Interesting thought nonetheless! Thanks Steve!
How do I contact Jason? I love the drop point knife and would love to get one especially if it's possible to get one in s125v. I'm good on 10V for now since I just ordered a knife in Vanadis 10 at 65hrc which is a 10v class steel but with 8% Cr which should help with corrosion resistance. I found 8%Cr for me is a sweet spot where a steel doesn't corrode (3v, cruwear, k340) with my body chemistry but steels with 5% or lower like 4v, M4, 10V, Z-max and alike get a patina from touching the blade.
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That's his RUclips handle - find him in the comment string here!
Wharncliffe or cleaver ???
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I'd say cleaver because it changes angle at one specific point, rather than a continuous curve, but such things come down to semantics sometimes, cheers guys 😁
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