Are electric vans any good? Ford E-Transit in-depth review, loaded and unloaded efficiency & range.
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- Опубликовано: 21 мар 2023
- Some vans cover a high mileage up and down the motorway each day BUT many do not. They are only used locally and actually do not cover many miles at all. In this case, switching to an electric van could well be the way forward. Some people assume a range of 150 miles isn't enough, but how often do you really do more than that in a day? Most do not and therefore a charge each night or once a week will be all they need to do for running their electric van.
It has taken a while for electric vans and commercial vehicles to make mass production across manufacturers but now we are seeing more and more on the market.
- So are they any good? for most people, YES! not many vans cover many miles!
- Do they drive nicely? YES excellent
- Are they powerful enough? - For sure and with loads of torque from electric motors they are perfect for heavy work.
- Does weight change the range? Yes - tested in this video.
- Are they expensive? Yes, but not much more than a diesel version
- Will it save me money? Yes, running costs should be much lower, especially if you need to use it in congestion zone areas they are becoming pretty essential!
- Worth also checking if you buy one in the 2023/24 tax year you should be able to claim business corporation tax relief
- Is the payload ok? Different versions have different ratings but electric vans can be up to 4250kg on a normal driving licence we believe. (usually 3500kg restricted)
- How much does charging cost? - in the video..! :-). depends on where you charge and what price you pay for electric of course. For many businesses, you wouldn't even notice the extra on your electric bill!
And in this video I don't just share my review, I ask a number of people to test it out and let me know what they think. people who drive vans every day!
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Don't forget all of the low emissions zones being set up in cities around the country that apply to commercial vehicles. Big savings to be had.
I was writing the same as you posted!😁👍
You meant to say money making scam zones
@@rogerstarkey5390 yeah the "emissions zones" that were built and maintained by diesel vehicles lol!!
Money 'saved'? Extortion schemes to cover for council waste.
I've seen a review of this van in the US from a plumber and he was getting 130-140 miles and that was fully loaded. He noticed it was more speed and not weight that reduces the range.
Of course the aerodynamics remains the same
I get 112-124 mikes on a full charge, fully loaded with two ladders
I drive the Vauxhall Vivaro e for work and absolutely love it. Much nicer to drive than the diesel version. It’s only the 50kwh version. I carry ladders on the roof and the van is racked out at the back and carry lots of weight. In the cold I get about 70-80 miles out of it. In the summer about 110 miles. I have a home charger so it’s no problem. I only to about 40-50 miles a day so it’s plenty for my needs. Great video 👍
Richard
Another point which must be considered is Ultra Low Emission Zones which will come to all cities very soon.
(London [£12.50/day] will be extending to virtually the M25!)
You could add the congestion charge saving of £15 until the end of 2025.
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Just btw, I did a quick estimate based on Scott's mileage, I reckon with fuel at £1.70/ L, and a £16 charge for 140 miles (pessimistic) he'd be saving ±£650 on fuel each year.
Ford of Colchester lent me their high cab XL body E‐Transit in December for a full week. Totally loved the drive, smoothness and practicality. But it hated the "only one battery size" as I was getting just 120 miles and the previous driver had got it all the way down to 95 miles range.!! It absolutely is brilliant but needs 150 to 200 miles TRUE range loaded.
Range is totally fine for 90% of the normal users of such vans, where driving time is lost time anyway. And yeah looks like it is really nice quality and drivers will love it.
Also eg here in Germany and Czech Republic you have increasingly more blue zones (environmental zones) where they will start to forbrid esp the super dirty pre 6c Diesel vans who are still the majority of vans on the streets.
I have the Peugeot e-expert van and last year I drove 40,000 miles.
They are very usable for any journey.
Motorway 63-65mph (that’s 5 minutes per hour for every hour of driving compared to 70mph. That said when has anyone been able to do 70mph constant speed.
Winter efficiency 2.4-2.6 mi/KWh. Summer 2.7-2.9. Still on the original tyres.
Did a 440 mile drive the other day and it worked out at 24pence per mile including home and rapid charging (68-79p per kW).
Love it. No charging issues and it been to John O’Groats and Lands End, West Wales, Norfolk and all other points.
Love it. Can’t see me going back to an ICE van.
I also run the same van in the building trade. Had it for 18 months and covered 26kmiles. Been no trouble what so ever, cheap to run, light on tires and brakes and an absolute pleasure to drive. Even my wife can't get over how nice to drive it is.
Had the e-expert for a month and it's the worst thing I ever sat in. The stupid consumption over 40kwh/100km is just baaaad (worst was 50kwh/100km on a long run, the promised range of 330km never was over 150km. The stupid thing shuts of after a couple of minutes and needs to be tricked. So annoying when it -10c and you are using it as a office while working outside. It throws it self in park when you open the door while driving, actually almost became a sport if you could break it just to cost them money. When you put it back in to reverse it screams so bad that people came and asked what's wrong with, I answered stupid euro ncap saftey shit 🤮
The radio is just so shit, the sound is 10 times worse than the cheap one you get in a diesel expert. It also freeze all the time and forget using android auto.
On top of that I came new with broken heater stuck on full.
On top of that the tow weight is shit, can't even tow a normal sized sky lift anymore
Come to think of it, I can't think of one good thing with it, it also come worse isolated than the diesel version but with the same shiit design with for heating air hitting the window way to high so snow melts and goes down to where the wipers rest and freeze up, over 5 years on the market and they still haven't fixed it.
What a great idea for a video to promote the benefits of using electrified transportation. Great work to you all 😊
Fantastic review Rich - very informative again - thanks👊
Fantastic review, range would suit most van drivers, with overnight recharging. Is a great smooth drive.
I love the fact Ford design a van with the driver in mind, for many its the office.
Also, its always been a Transit thing that a full size pallet will fit between the wheel arches, certainly the transit is wider than some of the competition for this reason.
Reversing camera is an option on the base model, works so well, so well worth the upgrade.
Transit Custom coming next year too!
Great review Richard and the guys
What a great video. Really enjoyed all the info on the van and how good it was 👍
At work we just took delivery of a new BYD van, a small one, to accompany the old diesel unit we’ve had for years. 2 drivers - gonna be a few fights I think in the mornings. Certainly looks cool. No idea on the specifics - I’ll find out and report back if you do another van video.
Nice video Richard. Best regards Martin
Another brilliant video! Loved your way of measuring the load space, quicker than banana boxes.
I have a feeling they will sell like hotcakes.
I've driven Transits a lot in the past as a carpenter, delivery driver and Milkman and these would have been ideal as I NEVER drove over 120 miles per day and that was very rare. The Milk round more like 20 miles a day as a rural route.
Fella, this is a real review, something us tradesmen needed , thanks for that
Super interesting! thanks
I am in the U.S. but a fair test is a fair test. Well done.
I have been seriously considering replacing my van with an E-Transit but that upfront cost really makes me hesitate.
One of these is crying out for a camper van conversion…
14':05" "If I was to buy one of these I'd keep it twenty years" - good luck with that!!!
Good position for the charge port - the Tesla locations are all wrong. Driving INTO a charger is quicker and easier even if backing out takes a little longer.
Electrification of 'last mile delivery - (intracity)' and courier vans is critical to reducing carbon emissions, urban noise, and reliance on imported petroleum. The rapid upsurge of online purchasing, which was accelerated by the pandemic, has led to a significant increase in diesel emissions throughout the developed world. One of the most significant increases has been refrigerated light truck and vans used for food deliveries typically consume around 25% more fuel than non-refrigerated vehicles. Great to see Ford leading the way with the e-Transit. Great review by Richard!
Great video once again, let’s see more e vans on the road. Less population.
Less population 😂
That range is certainly fine for most van uses. A delivery driver doing lots of distance could charge up at lunch and keep going.
Probably not enough for long distance here at home (Australia). Not yet anyway but we are behind in charging infrastructure thanks to some backwards governments the last 10 years. Improving rapidly though
a very good review there Richard, the other advantage that is potentially there is the upcoming opening up the Tesla supercharger network to other makes this will be ideal for the Transit on the ;longer journeys considering the known realability of the Tesla charger network :) :) kudos to you and the lending Ford dealer richard :) :) :)
Great video and love this van. Almost makes me want to come out of retirement so I could get one - only joking only joking!!!
brilliant video with local tradesman, proving the point that most tradesman like to work within 4 miles of their merchants......electric can work for successful "local" trades but not regional subbies.
all businesses and warehouse just need solar and lots of battery storage then it wont cost them anything to run the vans, its a win win.
Look into a electric van for my work as a courier driver. Figured out it would not last a day and could not carry the weight that I was taking out and bringing back. But it’s great if you doing a small area but screw if you doing a large hilly rural area.
DHL and DPD have taken delivery of hundreds of e transits. We pdi them before delivery.
But would be great to get a version (the 4.2t versions) with a 120-130kWh battery as basis for a camper van
Especially if "3.5 ton licence holders" could get the exemption to drive it.
@@rogerstarkey5390 that was exactly my point. You can as explained in the video. That is the cool thing
Hey Richard. On your videos is there any chance when you are comparing costs, that you could show what the cost would be for those of us that don’t have accessibility to home charging and would always need to charge at charging stations. Love the videos by the way 😀
He does usually on most of the other videos
@@tommendoza1812 you are right Richard does do that but only in part ie: charged at home driven somewhere and part charge to get back home. I myself and probably a lot of people would like to know costs of only charging at charge points because we don’t have access to home charging. I’m trying to work out if the cost of servicing etc on a combustion engine and the extra cost of charge station charging balance out the overall costs
Have a look at 'Fleetcharge' the van charging arm of JustPark [and JustCharge] and similar services like Co-charge. Listen to an interview on podcast no.155 on EVmusings which gives an idea of the future possibilities. Won't be especially cheap. Fact from the interview: 75% of van drivers don't have a usable parking space.
The electricity crisis has pushed up public charging prices a lot this last year, expect to pay 45p/kWhr on a 7 or 11kW charger and over 70p/kWhr on high power rapid chargers, all highly variable. There are discount and subscription schemes which makes giving exact guidance impossible. One or two networks did reduce prices slightly late 2022 when some of the uncertainty reduced so I'm hopeful within a year we'll see more CPOs lower them.
Inefficiency challenge. ETransit vs an old MX on big wheels and my etron ! Bet I can get through the most kWh.
Great for local runs but a chassis cab version for a coach built motorhome is a long way off being a practical proposition. Give it another 5years & hopefully we'll be there.
I wanted to see if they sold this in RHD, and they do! The USPS (US postal service) ordered 9200 of these, and ford just needs to make US spec models with some interior bits for RHD, probably from this.
Need at least 200 miles range for USA 🇺🇸
The one downside to electrifying vans is charging in public places. If forced to use a shopping centre, or tight and leeching off a 7kw podpoint it will be half over the next space. Got a yard, or decent front drive then no problem.
Can you get a diesel heater like you can with the Renault Items - adding range in winter..... it is a nice thing though
The etransit pre warms by the app whilst it is plugged in. Mine has defrosted the screen, warmed the cabin and the seats before I set off. Can’t really see reason for diesel heater.
10c outside and mine, at nearly full gtw (similar spec to review but a few more extras) shows 142 miles this morning. In summer it will be around 160 I reckon.
Not an EV fan but a milk float works well for my heating business.
Not bad, not bad at all. The only thing I dot not get is why the battery has only 68 kWh. You can get a Tesla Model 3 or an VW ID.3 with a larger battery, and these are, well, cars and not a huge van.
Do a test on a model 3 standard range vs Long range M3, charge both to 80% then drive them both 50 miles and see which one has more range left? My wife and I have this scenario and her standard range m3 after 30 miles has more range left than my Long range m3 hers is so much more efficient it has more range, mine is 2019 hers is 2021. Probably due to heat pump and this test I did is in winter temps in Illinois. USA.
Are guys do to many miles for these vans just yet, we would need at least a couple of hundred miles range, do they make it in the custom size transit yet? PS the Transit is the king of the road already in its diesel form, good to hear they’ve done a great job.
Hope that van has had the recall done regarding the braking system.
Good van. Seat belt 2mins22 secs in
Would it still drive if you overload it or ?
Any plans on getting VW ID Buzz Cargo van on the channel? Just ordered one but the lead time is September! Be good to hear your thoughts on it as a van 👍
Have you seen the economy! NOT good.. around 2miles/kWh! Love the space and the idea of a Buzz... but just bought a Maxus as its half the price and twice as efficient.. times are tough for businesses right now.. Good luck with the Buzz They do look cool
@@G-Cam1 do very little mileage around portsmouth, so all town mileage. Even if the efficiency is low it’s still better then my current van. Only taken a short lease as a tester before committing the whole fleet to EV
V2G? For camping
What's the exise duty road tax?
100kwh minimum needed for a lot of use cases though.
One test i would Love to see a long distance run empty at 60 and one run full of weight and a trailer how much % is lost
Had a test drive, with the view of a possible campervan conversion. Yes, a really quiet smooth drive, although as a Tesla owner, found the throttle responce a little too agressive and the regen not 'one peddle'. Okay, not a fair comparison, but a really great effort from Ford. Waiting now for the Custom electric which should appear later this year. That will be the massive seller. . .
It can pull 750 kg on the smallest (DK)
Tell me you seriously did not drive that van with that pallet of kegs loaded on back like that? I mean you stacked it down and forward first right? And the sand, 800kgs over back end!!!!.
I was chatting with our postman who uses a Renault electric van. He told me it’s range wasn’t enough for more than local rounds and some lost 30% capacity in a year. Anyone know f it’s a ghost read or if they are that bad?
The ultimate sheeple con ever 🥴😗😋🙃😝😜🤪😅😆😂🤣🤣😂😭😭😭
Just a shame the infrastructure doesn’t exist to support widespread EV ownership.
Bring on an electric Ranger!
I'm predicting a Tesla "City van" on the "Taxi" chassis.
That'll be killer.
Not viable in most cases due to range and refuelling time .
Never mind, the kilowatts per mile This van will do about 130 on a good day winter even worse miles it is 79p kilowatt that will cost you about £50 per full charge that will be £50 a day that van will cost you if you do 120 miles a day that is far too expensive The problem with EV‘s today is if you own a car, it’s amazing got a van 65 kW battery? not worth having in the future, it ain’t gonna get any better because the payload the bigger, the battery, The less payload or you’re gonna to have a different license so for me, they’re not the future In vans for me watching these kind videos there’s never seem to be any negativity about them so people are gonna be shocked when they buy them
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Try 2nd my young apprentice
@@dirkdiggler69 Kids
Whos gonna buy these when there 3to4 years old , my cousin works on the m6 toll they had these on demo and were getting 60 real world miles out of it ,they sent them back absolutely waste of space and had deisel transits back
120 miles range is nothing for USA and it can be charged only 80% on super charger that means no more than 100 miles and many charging sickles that low battery life. Good idea but not so good maid .
02.41 driver is moving whilst sipping a drink and no hands on wheels becareful and don't film yourself incriminating yourself. I won't snitch I love your vids
Lol that mileage is pathetic
You're missing the point that a van (or other company vehicle) is used primarily to get the workers, tools and supplies to a job, or series of jobs.
They should be spending 80% of their "work" day "working" on site.
Every minute driving is unproductive.
Hence the two local traders who averaged 2,360 and 3,100 miles per year respectively.
@@rogerstarkey5390 don’t care. Still shit
Or have a DC charger to charge quickly for the next trip or leg of a journey 😉 #vitalEV
Right tool for the job. Once total-cost-of-ownership is lower for the EV variant, choice becomes a no brainer. This is a second gen van, first gen vans went under 100miles, 3rd gen ones will do the longer distance jobs. I expect a 100kWhr version won't be far off, especially in the heavier load models. The Vivaro-e van comes in 2 battery sizes and the larger one will probably go further than this Transit although I don't think it is as high for aero drag.
In fact you are asking the wrong question: an awkwardly low proportion of fleet drivers have a usable home charging space not the easiest problem to solve. Fleetcharge from JustPark has a business model which might work though it won't be especially cheap.