Sports cars like this--affordable or otherwise--has no future regardless of their financial success. I'll cherish my 86 until it dies knowing that our time with it and others like it will soon pass.
@@TheLivedeath I doubt there will be another Miata. If you recall, Mazda needed funding from Fiat to build the current Miata. I don't think Mazda will be able to get funding for the next Miata as there is not much profit in the sports car segment.
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Didn't realize how much slower the last generation was. I swore it was closer to 6 seconds. New car looks good and glad they kept it around for another refresh.
You actually can get a 6.0-6.1 sec 0-60 on the stock 2017+ Manuals if you do a high Rev, perfect clutch dump. There’s a video of it on the Topher’s channel.
@@jansonb482 close! Jason C. from Hagerty got a 5.6 sec 0-60 on the base GR86. Most people will probably be in the six second range unless they’re really beating on it though..
The more reviews I see on the red and black trim, the more I'm liking it. But the '22 BRZ smiling front end has me at a tie..Ahhh! Either one, it'll be my first sport manual! Excited :) Thanks for the detailed review Alex!
5:20 No one really seems to complain about the Subaru-Toyota alliance. I think it might be because they’re both Japanese companies whereas BMW has a perception of high maintenance requirements that goes against what Toyota fans like about Toyota.
Very, very impressive update to an already excellent sports car. For those who believe the British invented the sports car, who feel the Austin Healey 3000 still ranks as one of the most beautiful automobiles ever made, and know that a turbocharged engine is not only not needed but is not even desirable, the GR86 gives the magnificent Mazda MX-5 a run for the money and has the significant advantage of a back seat that can accommodate a small child or a big dog. However, while I realize that fuel economy is barely more important than cargo capacity in a vehicle like the GR 86, the reported fuel efficiency is not only atrocious, it's puzzling. At 19/26/21 it's approximately the same as my KIA Sorento with a naturally aspirated V6, the aerodynamic shape of a brick, and a weight disadvantage of about 1200 lbs. My GTI that weighs the equivalent of an NFL lineman more than the GR 86 with approximately the same performance numbers routinely turns in well over 30 mpg on the highway and around 26 mpg in town. According to the EPA a MT Mazda MX-5 provides 26/34/29 mpg. The only comparable sports car I can recall with worse mileage was my Mazda RX-8 that struggled to yield 20 mpg on the highway and about 18 mg overall. But the Mazda had the excuse of having a notoriously thirsty rotary engine. As I said, it's puzzling. Could the gearing of the GR 86's manual transmission make such a significant difference in efficiency? Inquiring minds want to know.
I have to say, they’ve hit the ball out of the park with this one. I absolutely am liking everything this car has to offer. Only downside is the MPG. Although it’s understandable why it has the numbers it’s received, I sure would not mind if Toyota/Subaru were to eventually make a 86/BRZ with a turbo to serve the community looking for solely more power without having to opt for a Supra. And perhaps with that, we would attain more generous MPG numbers. My 2¢.
Had a GT86 for a couple of years and loved it. I am glad they kept it NA. About your comparison to the Mustang: the Mustang has one big advantage: it comes as convertible :-). Good review, thanks.
Having owned a Mustang GT and driven an 86, I'd say the Mustang's advantage is also a more compliant ride, more front seat room, truck space & options. The 86's advantage is agility, tighter turning circle, easier to park, better rear seat room. With the first gen 86, I would also say MPG, but with this 2022 model, the MPG is about the same as the V8 Mustang!
Tottally AGREE, however, i understand its because the manual is geared to RACE standards:) 0-6= 6 , not bad, however, it REALLY should have been 0 - 60 = 5 :):) Yes, i know a simple tune will bring this to 5 add a stage 3 and 0-60 = 3.5 with a supercharger:):):) and $9500.00:(
I wish more manufacturers iterated over their cars like this. Looks like they tweaked all the right areas from the prior model. Excited for the Subaru review.
Supply is also a thing. Was shopping for one in 2019 and I couldn’t find a base model that was manual. Seemed like manuals were reserved for the TRD version which was a decent amount more than base.
Alex, If Toyota can sell a Subaru why won't Subaru sell Toyotas? A re-badged, 50 mpg, AWD Corolla wagon sold as an Outback Junior® would be an excellent fit in a Subaru showroom.
Toyota helping Subaru build this sport car. That’s their unique perk. All of subaru cars are AWD with the exception of the BRZ. Toyota don’t have AWD like subaru. So rebadging is less likely
@@sonic_genesis It's Subaru helping Toyota build this. Back in 2008, Toyota asked for Subaru's help to develop the FT-86 concepts which originally had a V6 hybrid or turbo boxer on a WRX chassis. Furthermore, these are all built at Subaru's Gunma plant. How is rebadging unlikely, when Subaru initially refused to help Toyota, because this was not an AWD rally car, ended up helping Toyota realize this? Exceptions can work both ways.
My dealership thought it was cool when I told them I was going to use it primarily as a drift car and track car. They said sure warranty is perfectly good for that
We can all thank Akio Toyoda for great machines like this that are so much more engaging than the current sea of mobile appliances from most other manufacturers
Most of the track guys I know would consider a $5K (all in) NA Miata a "starter track car", but you probably need some actual track experience to reach that conclusion: Don't track anything you can't afford to walk away from (or pay for expensive track insurance, on top of tires/brakes/gate fees, etc.). regular track beatings on a brand new car is generally considered more of a newb/wealthy person thing...though I have tracked newer cars on occasion.
All things being equal, is a boxer engine thirstier than an inline? 21mpg combined seems bad for a 4-cylinder, even with the aggressive gearing ratios. I'm an FRS owner and I love the manual, but... 19 in the city is hard to accept. Great video Alex :)
@@james2042 Uh, how about his own 1st gen 2012-2016 FRS? That got 25/34 mpg, 28 combined How about the the 2021 86? That gets 21/28/24 combined with the manual, and 24/32/27 with the automatic. How about the current Mustang GT with the V8? That gets 15/24, 18 combined.
@@cadsux 24 mpg on the prior gen manual to 21 mpg on the current gen manual (which is a 13% decrease in fuel economy) doesn't seem too bad of a tradeoff for 20% increased displacement, 20% increase in torque (and getting that torque lower) and more aggressive gearing. The auto loses 14.5% fuel economy and doesn't have the more aggressive gearing, but that 6 speed auto isn't known for being super efficient.
@@james2042 True true... so boxer engines aren't inherently thirstier? I knew that a larger engine with more aggressive gearing would result in some losses, but I didn't necessarily think it would be directly proportional to the increased displacement, considering some 5.7L V8s out there get city mpg only 2-3 mpg lower than the new 86, but that's more than 2x the displacement... though perhaps those larger engines also employ cylinder deactivation. More apt comparison: last-gen Civic Si had a 2.4L I4 with a manual, and made 22mpg city. So is it down to the gearing, or does the architecture also play a role?
@@MT-vi6vb the hemi gets 15 city, do not let them lie to you with etorque. My hemi gets 13 city, but its a first gen one from 08. As for actual comparisons, this engine was actually designed to be turbocharged and then modified to be naturally aspirated. So there's probably some fuel saving tech it's lacking that wouldn't play nice with a turbo. Also this engine makes a lot more low end torque than expected which means it probably breathes a lot at low rpm which means it needs more fuel at low end rpm to burn all the O2. Remember Toyota modified this engine with a focus on good torque and much higher rpm. For reference a 2019 subaru legacy with the 2.5 got 25 city and with a 3.6 v6 got 20 city. I know that's partially due to the cvt but that also goes to show subarus engines can be more efficient when designed to be
5:04. If there are going to be computerized safety enhancements I want something more like overtake assist for two-lane roads, or drift modulation so I don't spin out.
Saw a video of a guy driving one from Corvallis back to Cali and was getting 28 in a manual. Guessing it'll be less than the older version but less fake than say all the suvs and trucks claiming 22 and getting 17
I absolutely love my GR 86. went with the classic steel color. I switch from Mt Mustangs over to this vehicle. why, fell in love with the body style, handling capability which is awesome. Get in one a drive it, you won't regret it. Amazing how quick for only 228 hp. The vehicle weight allows for the car to perform well at 228 hp. Not much to forgive on the GR 86 making this vehicle a pleasure to own and drive. My car turns heads all the time. I went with base, like the wheels better, less to spend on the tire. The GR 86 drives great on the 17s, also like the look of the base spoiler wing better, finding it not over the top. If Toyota gets this car to produce 250 hp, it will truly be a vehicle to be reckoned with. I went with the automatic and very happy with it. The difference in 0 to 60 isn't enough to make the manual worth it, besides most can't drive, shift quick and correctly to get that 6 second mark.
the 86 is a beautiful car my 2014 FRS still getting compliments to this day. imo the 86 will be a collectable car in the future. i fear toyota will discontinue the 86
I’m amazed at the sheer amount of fade information in this video. The quality, design, and delivery is fantastic, but there are simply too many pieces of misinformation.
Personally, I don't mind automaker partnerships, such as Mazda & Fiat for the Miata/124 Spyder. Heck, Ford and GM developed that 10 speed automatic. However, I do wonder how Toyota, who has the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th bestselling vehicles in America, can sometimes act so stingy & stodgy, while Ford can solely & continue to invest in the Mustang, and offer so many options to customers.
Alex, When this 86 had its debut there was no such thing as a GR Yaris. Toyota has now clearly demonstrated what it can do all by itself when it makes performance a priority.
@@Chilicharger665 Tonight... sorry I had to. You’re not wrong, but still will be one of the best offerings in it’s segment (would buy that over another WRX in a heartbeat) and a lot cooler than a regular Corolla Hatch. I would love to see Toyota part ways with Mazda on the Mazda 2 Yaris here in North America and bring the global Yaris to the US too.
I would be interested to see if there is an insurance rate difference between the Toyota version and the Subaru one. I know there is a rather large one between the BMW z4 and Toyota Supra.
Well considering if I get one it will definitely be from Subaru dealership as I am a Forester Wilderness owner I definitely won’t be racing it or going on a track. I might however sprint to the coffee place or grocery store 😂
I would consider this for myself as my wife has the suv and I currently have a mazda3 hatchback. I will wait a couple of years to see reliability and maybe look for a gently used one.
@@hondaftw1234 no. Unfortunately Toyota didn’t sell them under the Toyota name up here in Canada, only Scion and Subaru. I haven’t seen anything on Toyota Canada’s website about the new one.
@@kevinW826 Have you seen the GR 86 videos by 'TheStraightPipes' and 'Throttle House'? They're based in Canada so its bound to be sold there. And I agree with Ethan, if we really want companies like Toyota and Mazda to continue developing affordable sportscars like these, we have to buy them brand new, regardless of the depreciation hit.
@@smilepermile8165 I was talking about the first one. And when Toyota killed scion they never put them under the Toyota name. As for buying them new, no thanks. I won’t do that again, having a depreciating asset and a loan that is more than the vehicle is worth. I have found a couple of scion FRS, 2014/15 with 100,000 kms for $15,000. That’s my price range. I don’t care if buying new props up the small car segment, I’m not doing that again. Unless I lease.
@@kevinW826 I was responding to your comment about 'I haven’t seen anything on Toyota Canada’s website about the new one.'. And FYI, you're the reason why sportscars don't sell, and you're the reason why the roads are filled with boring SUVs and EVs in grey, black and white. All for saving that short term money.
Love this new GR86/BRZ. The changes have brought it more close to perfect than ever before. As the father of 3, with 2 close to leaving on their own, I am looking forward to another Sporty/Sports Coupe, especially with a manual.
I just rented a GR86 today. I found the multifunction LCD control buttons on the right side of the steering wheel is controlling the LCD on the left of the dashboard; and the buttons on the left side of the steering wheel is controlling the media on the Head Unit which is to your right. I find this counterintuitive design bugging me like crazy...
@gym princess Hi there, I used special side mirror adjustments (no overlapping among mirrors) so that I don't find blind spot on lanes next to me. I still need to watch out for 2 cars merging into same lane at same time though.
The first FR-S did not debut until 2012 for the 2013 model year, and I believe Toyota's FT-86 concept wasn't even unveiled until 2010. Not sure where you got 2007 from, but it kinda breaks some credibility for those watching that are familiar with the car especially when you said that so early on in the video
The real manual trans 0-60 improvement is likely closer to 1/2 second better since the 2013-16 was faster to 60 with the 4.1 final drive. The 2017-2021 had a 4.3 fd that required a shift to 3rd to get there. The GR86 adjusted gears allow the retention of the 4.3 fd but get to 60mph at the top of 2nd gear. It should be noted that the 2013 FRS 0-60 of 6.2s followed the 1 foot roll out convention while the claimed 0-60 for the GR86 is only 0.1s quicker at 6.1s (rollout convention unknown) though real world demonstrations regularly show 6.5ish actual for the gen1 FRS. Since the 2.4 is just a bored out FA20, I'm curious if the red aluminum intake will fit as Toyota claimed it flowed better than the plastic one and provided and extra 5hp up top. So far there has been no mention of a new exhaust... So I also wonder if the old ft86 catted ones will fit, maybe providing another 10% bump up top. At that point, the header, intake and tune route would finally be around 250crank (depending on air temps and gas quality) on 91/93 NA and carb legal. Note to owners that the recommended gas is 93 octane, so using 91 will increase the likelihood of pulling timing in the summer. Personally as a several year 12a and 13b Wankel driver and current FA20 owner, the necessity to rev the nuts off a car is not a big deal for me, but torque is nice to have. Shout out to your low key left foot braking skills in the chicane at 16:30.
The bonkers thing to me is the MPG. I had a 2016 Ford Edge Sport that I got 18 City 26 HWY. It weighed as much as a tank and had a twin turbo 2.7 v6 in it.
I did too.4400 lbs! It weighed more than a minivan, but it can sure fly. I also had a 2015 Mustang GT, and that got 19 city and as much as 25 hwy. Sometimes I wonder, when one has 3 to 4 times the horsepower of a Prius, why doesn't the Prius have 3 to 4 times the MPG?
I am having trouble deciding which transmission to get. I have never driven a manual before but I would love to learn especially in this car ! Should I stick to the auto or save the money and become a manual purist. thoughts anyone ??
11:21 There is no way. Last generation was bought what... 85% manual? So more than 4 out of 5 people are choosing NOT automatic. Which makes total sense on this kind of cars. It's a driver's cars, not an arriver's car.
Love the car but please don’t call it a babies trainer car. I’m about to trade in my Guilia Ti for the BRZ. The Guilia doesn’t have a 3rd pedal & for those of us with self control issues too fast. To enjoy the speed I risk my license all the time. So I want the balance but to be enjoyable somewhat within the speed limits. Can’t wait for my BRZ to arrive.
@@frxstyking5912 since I’m looking for predictable behavior I went Subie but if you want more tail happy go 86. Outside that it’s a Subaru engine & trans built in Subaru factory if that matters to you.
I'd say the Veloster N but its new price is like $2K to $4K higher. The upcoming Honda Civic Si might be the winner because it will be priced roughly the same but much more practical in every way. Not that the GR isn't insanely awesome, it's just more limited in usability like a Miata.
The fuel economy doesn't make sense. Ford mustangs have similar fuel ecumenical, but much much more powerful, and much heavier. Also the German sports coups are better than it.
no one will get these for $28,000. $31,000 base automatic. add 5 grand dealer mark up, additional dealer fees, over priced Mat's, window tint, pinstripes, tax, dealership owners fee, and you are looking at 38,000. ridicules fees, and mark ups. I had to negotiate the heck out the dealership, got $5,000 mark up down to $2,500, and an additional savings bringing my price of the vehicle before 7 % sales tax at $33,000. Ridicules. same story, dealerships Guage price.
A Porsche Cayman for the working class bloke. I like it! Save on speeding tickets and still have some fun.
When i test drove the previous model it seemed like i was doing 65 MPH, then i looked and it was 40..haha
How well this sells will decide the future availability of affordable sports cars.
Sports cars like this--affordable or otherwise--has no future regardless of their financial success. I'll cherish my 86 until it dies knowing that our time with it and others like it will soon pass.
This car will be the last of its breed regardless of how well it sells.
I think Mazda will continue to sell the Miata. It's too much of an iconic car for them.
@@TheLivedeath I think Mazda will be out of the car business in North America within a decade.
@@TheLivedeath I doubt there will be another Miata. If you recall, Mazda needed funding from Fiat to build the current Miata. I don't think Mazda will be able to get funding for the next Miata as there is not much profit in the sports car segment.
I love how committed Alex is to the truck space test. How hard it must have been to lay down through that end!
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Also, perspective on the Toyota-Subaru alliance and the benefits it has yielded. E.g., the existence of this vehicle.
Agreed, I've done the Home Depot run in my BRZ many times. It really is nice to have.
Alex on Autos and Savage Geese are my 2 favorite reviewers. Great job, Mate. 🤙👍
Did you see Jason in Engineering Explained’s review? Tremendous.
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Agreed. They’re absolutely the best out there right now.
@@vitor2650 I do!! He’s great too
The FR-S debuted as a 2012 MY. A little misleading to say it dates back to 2007 when at most, it was a concept exercise called the FT-HS.
I was like, there’s no way the FR-S came out in 2007
Actually I'm pretty sure the first MY was 2013 at least in the states
@@RDKelly12 - you're correct. my point remains, though.
Didn't realize how much slower the last generation was. I swore it was closer to 6 seconds. New car looks good and glad they kept it around for another refresh.
You actually can get a 6.0-6.1 sec 0-60 on the stock 2017+ Manuals if you do a high Rev, perfect clutch dump. There’s a video of it on the Topher’s channel.
@@Barbwire710 so the new one is like 5secs, that's not bad at all.
I love these cars :)
@@jansonb482 close! Jason C. from Hagerty got a 5.6 sec 0-60 on the base GR86. Most people will probably be in the six second range unless they’re really beating on it though..
The more reviews I see on the red and black trim, the more I'm liking it. But the '22 BRZ smiling front end has me at a tie..Ahhh! Either one, it'll be my first sport manual! Excited :) Thanks for the detailed review Alex!
Simplicity done Japanese style.. newish Celica of 2021
5:20 No one really seems to complain about the Subaru-Toyota alliance. I think it might be because they’re both Japanese companies whereas BMW has a perception of high maintenance requirements that goes against what Toyota fans like about Toyota.
Subaru is affiliated company of Toyota
Well said!
i want an affordable porsche so now i want this. Toyota GR86 for fun, Honda Civic Si for the missus
Very, very impressive update to an already excellent sports car. For those who believe the British invented the sports car, who feel the Austin Healey 3000 still ranks as one of the most beautiful automobiles ever made, and know that a turbocharged engine is not only not needed but is not even desirable, the GR86 gives the magnificent Mazda MX-5 a run for the money and has the significant advantage of a back seat that can accommodate a small child or a big dog.
However, while I realize that fuel economy is barely more important than cargo capacity in a vehicle like the GR 86, the reported fuel efficiency is not only atrocious, it's puzzling. At 19/26/21 it's approximately the same as my KIA Sorento with a naturally aspirated V6, the aerodynamic shape of a brick, and a weight disadvantage of about 1200 lbs. My GTI that weighs the equivalent of an NFL lineman more than the GR 86 with approximately the same performance numbers routinely turns in well over 30 mpg on the highway and around 26 mpg in town. According to the EPA a MT Mazda MX-5 provides 26/34/29 mpg. The only comparable sports car I can recall with worse mileage was my Mazda RX-8 that struggled to yield 20 mpg on the highway and about 18 mg overall. But the Mazda had the excuse of having a notoriously thirsty rotary engine.
As I said, it's puzzling. Could the gearing of the GR 86's manual transmission make such a significant difference in efficiency? Inquiring minds want to know.
Gearing is absolutely going to be the reason.
To me it really shows that they didn't engineer it to pass the standard test, but for the performance 🙌
@@effa114 They actually moved the rear gear back down to 4.1 from the 4.3 in the 2017+ model. The mpg drop, besides the bigger engine, makes no sense.
As a Euro who is going to move States side seeing another manual is music to my ears (plus the sound from that boxer is good)
I have to say, they’ve hit the ball out of the park with this one. I absolutely am liking everything this car has to offer. Only downside is the MPG. Although it’s understandable why it has the numbers it’s received, I sure would not mind if Toyota/Subaru were to eventually make a 86/BRZ with a turbo to serve the community looking for solely more power without having to opt for a Supra. And perhaps with that, we would attain more generous MPG numbers. My 2¢.
Had a GT86 for a couple of years and loved it. I am glad they kept it NA. About your comparison to the Mustang: the Mustang has one big advantage: it comes as convertible :-). Good review, thanks.
Having owned a Mustang GT and driven an 86, I'd say the Mustang's advantage is also a more compliant ride, more front seat room, truck space & options. The 86's advantage is agility, tighter turning circle, easier to park, better rear seat room. With the first gen 86, I would also say MPG, but with this 2022 model, the MPG is about the same as the V8 Mustang!
Thats a big difference in mpg between the Auto and manual
Tottally AGREE, however, i understand its because the manual is geared to RACE standards:) 0-6= 6 , not bad, however, it REALLY should have been 0 - 60 = 5 :):) Yes, i know a simple tune will bring this to 5 add a stage 3 and 0-60 = 3.5 with a supercharger:):):) and $9500.00:(
@@michaelsmith9308 what type of tune can bring it to 5?
I like the camera angle with front and gear shift.. this way we know what gear selection in the type of corner this car is being pushed in.
I wish more manufacturers iterated over their cars like this. Looks like they tweaked all the right areas from the prior model. Excited for the Subaru review.
I can't believe the take rate on the automatic is so high on a car like this
For some reason, Toyota made the manual more expensive than the auto.
Supply is also a thing. Was shopping for one in 2019 and I couldn’t find a base model that was manual. Seemed like manuals were reserved for the TRD version which was a decent amount more than base.
Because it isn't
@@KTH96 it's the opposite actually, the automatic is $1,500 more expensive than the manual
Yes I need a good drift car when I go thru the drive thru and my boss loves to see me drifting into the parking lot at work. 😂
I want a top of the line race car for my drive to work. Those fractions of seconds come in really handy driving to work 😂
Alex, If Toyota can sell a Subaru why won't Subaru sell Toyotas? A re-badged, 50 mpg, AWD Corolla wagon sold as an Outback Junior® would be an excellent fit in a Subaru showroom.
Toyota helping Subaru build this sport car. That’s their unique perk.
All of subaru cars are AWD with the exception of the BRZ. Toyota don’t have AWD like subaru. So rebadging is less likely
@@sonic_genesis It's Subaru helping Toyota build this. Back in 2008, Toyota asked for Subaru's help to develop the FT-86 concepts which originally had a V6 hybrid or turbo boxer on a WRX chassis. Furthermore, these are all built at Subaru's Gunma plant. How is rebadging unlikely, when Subaru initially refused to help Toyota, because this was not an AWD rally car, ended up helping Toyota realize this? Exceptions can work both ways.
Yes helmet clearance is a big concern to me when I go to get a coffee
"you have to rev the nuts off of it"... where can I buy that t-shirt???
Humidity wrecked Alex's hair.
PS: great review.
My dealership thought it was cool when I told them I was going to use it primarily as a drift car and track car. They said sure warranty is perfectly good for that
I love it ! Looks almost as good as the Honda S2000.
We can all thank Akio Toyoda for great machines like this that are so much more engaging than the current sea of mobile appliances from most other manufacturers
Most of the track guys I know would consider a $5K (all in) NA Miata a "starter track car", but you probably need some actual track experience to reach that conclusion: Don't track anything you can't afford to walk away from (or pay for expensive track insurance, on top of tires/brakes/gate fees, etc.). regular track beatings on a brand new car is generally considered more of a newb/wealthy person thing...though I have tracked newer cars on occasion.
Great info. Fr I’d like to know more cuz I can see ur POV
Thanks for the trunk space test, subscribed!
Nice !!! ahhh another cool car coming out in 2022, wish I could buy all of them
All things being equal, is a boxer engine thirstier than an inline? 21mpg combined seems bad for a 4-cylinder, even with the aggressive gearing ratios. I'm an FRS owner and I love the manual, but... 19 in the city is hard to accept. Great video Alex :)
What car are you comparing this to for the fuel economy?
@@james2042 Uh, how about his own 1st gen 2012-2016 FRS? That got 25/34 mpg, 28 combined
How about the the 2021 86? That gets 21/28/24 combined with the manual, and 24/32/27 with the automatic.
How about the current Mustang GT with the V8? That gets 15/24, 18 combined.
@@cadsux 24 mpg on the prior gen manual to 21 mpg on the current gen manual (which is a 13% decrease in fuel economy) doesn't seem too bad of a tradeoff for 20% increased displacement, 20% increase in torque (and getting that torque lower) and more aggressive gearing. The auto loses 14.5% fuel economy and doesn't have the more aggressive gearing, but that 6 speed auto isn't known for being super efficient.
@@james2042 True true... so boxer engines aren't inherently thirstier? I knew that a larger engine with more aggressive gearing would result in some losses, but I didn't necessarily think it would be directly proportional to the increased displacement, considering some 5.7L V8s out there get city mpg only 2-3 mpg lower than the new 86, but that's more than 2x the displacement... though perhaps those larger engines also employ cylinder deactivation.
More apt comparison: last-gen Civic Si had a 2.4L I4 with a manual, and made 22mpg city. So is it down to the gearing, or does the architecture also play a role?
@@MT-vi6vb the hemi gets 15 city, do not let them lie to you with etorque. My hemi gets 13 city, but its a first gen one from 08.
As for actual comparisons, this engine was actually designed to be turbocharged and then modified to be naturally aspirated. So there's probably some fuel saving tech it's lacking that wouldn't play nice with a turbo. Also this engine makes a lot more low end torque than expected which means it probably breathes a lot at low rpm which means it needs more fuel at low end rpm to burn all the O2. Remember Toyota modified this engine with a focus on good torque and much higher rpm.
For reference a 2019 subaru legacy with the 2.5 got 25 city and with a 3.6 v6 got 20 city. I know that's partially due to the cvt but that also goes to show subarus engines can be more efficient when designed to be
You were right...alot of Whining cause of companies working on a vehicle together. grief! Such whining
I appreciate all these sports cars along with the boxy Bronco 2021
Maybe we can get another 3000GT, when Mitsubishi puts a body kit and a tri-diamond on a GTR.
5:04. If there are going to be computerized safety enhancements I want something more like overtake assist for two-lane roads, or drift modulation so I don't spin out.
EPA MPG estimates can be off. I average 33mpg and have got up to 38mpg with my manual trans 17 BRZ, without trying too hard.
Saw a video of a guy driving one from Corvallis back to Cali and was getting 28 in a manual.
Guessing it'll be less than the older version but less fake than say all the suvs and trucks claiming 22 and getting 17
Hahahaha I’m pretty sure some one passed by him while he was laying in the back and just like “wth is that dude doing” 😂😂😂
I absolutely love my GR 86. went with the classic steel color. I switch from Mt Mustangs over to this vehicle. why, fell in love with the body style, handling capability which is awesome. Get in one a drive it, you won't regret it. Amazing how quick for only 228 hp. The vehicle weight allows for the car to perform well at 228 hp. Not much to forgive on the GR 86 making this vehicle a pleasure to own and drive. My car turns heads all the time. I went with base, like the wheels better, less to spend on the tire. The GR 86 drives great on the 17s, also like the look of the base spoiler wing better, finding it not over the top. If Toyota gets this car to produce 250 hp, it will truly be a vehicle to be reckoned with. I went with the automatic and very happy with it. The difference in 0 to 60 isn't enough to make the manual worth it, besides most can't drive, shift quick and correctly to get that 6 second mark.
What year mustang mt did you switch from? I was cross shopping s550's
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Weird old school Graphics for the Gauges. hmm
I am six foot one and easily fit, also most are sold as manuals
Only thing I want to know: who makes the head gasket?
GDI subarus don't have head gasket problems.
the 86 is a beautiful car my 2014 FRS still getting compliments to this day. imo the 86 will be a collectable car in the future. i fear toyota will discontinue the 86
I feel like this will be the last generation of 86 :(
I’m amazed at the sheer amount of fade information in this video. The quality, design, and delivery is fantastic, but there are simply too many pieces of misinformation.
Personally, I don't mind automaker partnerships, such as Mazda & Fiat for the Miata/124 Spyder. Heck, Ford and GM developed that 10 speed automatic. However, I do wonder how Toyota, who has the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th bestselling vehicles in America, can sometimes act so stingy & stodgy, while Ford can solely & continue to invest in the Mustang, and offer so many options to customers.
honestly, the going to the trsck segments are not too important
I wish they had done something g about rear seat headroom. No idea what that even could be, but it would be nice.
6:59 "And, I'm only six feet tall." Nice stature flex, Alex.
I never say this but white looks the best on the GR86. Red being a close second. Anyone else agree?
Same for me!
I also like baby blue somehow
If the white is a clean white and not a cream white, I would get this car in white.
The animated cylinders aren't accurate. Lol. Great video. Very informative.
Much prefer the look of the gt86 vs the Subaru variant. If I have to get either of the two, it would be this version.
Happy Hachi-Roku Day! First Alex, then Savagegeese :)
You don't follow TheTopher?! :'-(
@@Noukz37 If I had listed everyone the post would have gotten far too long ;) My whole youtube page was just 86 videos lol
Savage Geezer lmao
@@Mgoblagulkablong Haha true dat XD
had zero interest in the first gen, but this one is freaking gorgeous
Alex, When this 86 had its debut there was no such thing as a GR Yaris. Toyota has now clearly demonstrated what it can do all by itself when it makes performance a priority.
Doesn't matter if they won't sell it to us.
The driveline development will show up in the US in a GR Corolla.
@@dylanhale7300 Count yourself lucky when you get to have the Lexus IS500 V8 and the Nissan Z unlike us in the UK
@@brodiwheeler7583 yeah, but the Corolla body will add a chunk of weight, which kills the whole point of the "GR" in the first place.
@@Chilicharger665 Tonight... sorry I had to. You’re not wrong, but still will be one of the best offerings in it’s segment (would buy that over another WRX in a heartbeat) and a lot cooler than a regular Corolla Hatch. I would love to see Toyota part ways with Mazda on the Mazda 2 Yaris here in North America and bring the global Yaris to the US too.
I would be interested to see if there is an insurance rate difference between the Toyota version and the Subaru one. I know there is a rather large one between the BMW z4 and Toyota Supra.
The BRZ insurance is higher because Subaru drivers are inclined to take them off road.
0:32 2007? Is that the year of the concept car?
It's so good looking. Imagine if it looked like a Camry or Prius shhhhheeeeeeeee
I sure don't want to imagine that. OR the new GTI that front end worst ever.
Well considering if I get one it will definitely be from Subaru dealership as I am a Forester Wilderness owner I definitely won’t be racing it or going on a track. I might however sprint to the coffee place or grocery store 😂
Calling my Dealer soon!
I would consider this for myself as my wife has the suv and I currently have a mazda3 hatchback. I will wait a couple of years to see reliability and maybe look for a gently used one.
Please buy new so we might see a 3rd generation.
@@hondaftw1234 no. Unfortunately Toyota didn’t sell them under the Toyota name up here in Canada, only Scion and Subaru. I haven’t seen anything on Toyota Canada’s website about the new one.
@@kevinW826 Have you seen the GR 86 videos by 'TheStraightPipes' and 'Throttle House'? They're based in Canada so its bound to be sold there. And I agree with Ethan, if we really want companies like Toyota and Mazda to continue developing affordable sportscars like these, we have to buy them brand new, regardless of the depreciation hit.
@@smilepermile8165 I was talking about the first one. And when Toyota killed scion they never put them under the Toyota name.
As for buying them new, no thanks. I won’t do that again, having a depreciating asset and a loan that is more than the vehicle is worth. I have found a couple of scion FRS, 2014/15 with 100,000 kms for $15,000.
That’s my price range. I don’t care if buying new props up the small car segment, I’m not doing that again. Unless I lease.
@@kevinW826 I was responding to your comment about 'I haven’t seen anything on Toyota Canada’s website about the new one.'. And FYI, you're the reason why sportscars don't sell, and you're the reason why the roads are filled with boring SUVs and EVs in grey, black and white. All for saving that short term money.
Love this new GR86/BRZ. The changes have brought it more close to perfect than ever before. As the father of 3, with 2 close to leaving on their own, I am looking forward to another Sporty/Sports Coupe, especially with a manual.
Your legs sticking out of the boot would've been the perfect YT thumbnail
I just rented a GR86 today. I found the multifunction LCD control buttons on the right side of the steering wheel is controlling the LCD on the left of the dashboard; and the buttons on the left side of the steering wheel is controlling the media on the Head Unit which is to your right. I find this counterintuitive design bugging me like crazy...
@gym princess Hi there, I used special side mirror adjustments (no overlapping among mirrors) so that I don't find blind spot on lanes next to me. I still need to watch out for 2 cars merging into same lane at same time though.
@gym princess No problem at all! Good luck hunting your car purchase. :)
The first FR-S did not debut until 2012 for the 2013 model year, and I believe Toyota's FT-86 concept wasn't even unveiled until 2010. Not sure where you got 2007 from, but it kinda breaks some credibility for those watching that are familiar with the car especially when you said that so early on in the video
It’s okay all I need is the downhill where power doesn’t matter. Let’s see how fast I can deliver my tofu orders.
I still can't believe with a car of this nature 70% of buyers still choose an automatic. Hopefully they don't ultimately kill the manual.
They're scum
The real manual trans 0-60 improvement is likely closer to 1/2 second better since the 2013-16 was faster to 60 with the 4.1 final drive. The 2017-2021 had a 4.3 fd that required a shift to 3rd to get there. The GR86 adjusted gears allow the retention of the 4.3 fd but get to 60mph at the top of 2nd gear. It should be noted that the 2013 FRS 0-60 of 6.2s followed the 1 foot roll out convention while the claimed 0-60 for the GR86 is only 0.1s quicker at 6.1s (rollout convention unknown) though real world demonstrations regularly show 6.5ish actual for the gen1 FRS. Since the 2.4 is just a bored out FA20, I'm curious if the red aluminum intake will fit as Toyota claimed it flowed better than the plastic one and provided and extra 5hp up top. So far there has been no mention of a new exhaust... So I also wonder if the old ft86 catted ones will fit, maybe providing another 10% bump up top. At that point, the header, intake and tune route would finally be around 250crank (depending on air temps and gas quality) on 91/93 NA and carb legal. Note to owners that the recommended gas is 93 octane, so using 91 will increase the likelihood of pulling timing in the summer. Personally as a several year 12a and 13b Wankel driver and current FA20 owner, the necessity to rev the nuts off a car is not a big deal for me, but torque is nice to have. Shout out to your low key left foot braking skills in the chicane at 16:30.
No, the rear gear is back down to a 4.1. They got rid of the 4.3 from the 2017+ models.
Thank you for useful insight. Most of these comments are not about driving or modding which are the only two real points of this car.
Hands down best car reviewer out there.
Dual exhaust tips not dual exhaust, know the difference please.
Those rear taillights looks like the came off a Civic.
When are you testing and give score to GR86 Automatic
hope not too much dealer adjustment is required for this car….
I don't have any problem with the subaru/toyota alliance
Z4 has existed forever on its own, doesnt need toyota money to keep existing. But the Supra needed the Z4 100%.
When is the 2022 Honda Civic review dropping???
Could the faux engine sound be omitted or disabled?
Hopefully the wires going to the speaker are easy to get to.
Looks like a supra, tiburon and a porsche had a baby together
Great look
The bonkers thing to me is the MPG. I had a 2016 Ford Edge Sport that I got 18 City 26 HWY. It weighed as much as a tank and had a twin turbo 2.7 v6 in it.
I did too.4400 lbs! It weighed more than a minivan, but it can sure fly. I also had a 2015 Mustang GT, and that got 19 city and as much as 25 hwy. Sometimes I wonder, when one has 3 to 4 times the horsepower of a Prius, why doesn't the Prius have 3 to 4 times the MPG?
Where are the official scores Alex????
I am having trouble deciding which transmission to get. I have never driven a manual before but I would love to learn especially in this car ! Should I stick to the auto or save the money and become a manual purist. thoughts anyone ??
11:21 There is no way. Last generation was bought what... 85% manual? So more than 4 out of 5 people are choosing NOT automatic. Which makes total sense on this kind of cars. It's a driver's cars, not an arriver's car.
Love the car but please don’t call it a babies trainer car. I’m about to trade in my Guilia Ti for the BRZ. The Guilia doesn’t have a 3rd pedal & for those of us with self control issues too fast. To enjoy the speed I risk my license all the time. So I want the balance but to be enjoyable somewhat within the speed limits. Can’t wait for my BRZ to arrive.
Daaamn brz is nice Fs! I might get the gr86 tho I’m having so many arguments in my head abt what car to buy in tht price range 😓
@@frxstyking5912 since I’m looking for predictable behavior I went Subie but if you want more tail happy go 86. Outside that it’s a Subaru engine & trans built in Subaru factory if that matters to you.
This do be looking like a model 3 with an open mouth and NSX rear
5:16 this!
imo cars like the 86 isn't a daily driver. if you need to put people in the back then get your priorty striaght and buy a minivan.
Is it practical enough to daily drive the GR 86?
ofc, how could it not be?
this brings up the interesting question of who is king of the small (budget) hill?
I'd say the Veloster N but its new price is like $2K to $4K higher. The upcoming Honda Civic Si might be the winner because it will be priced roughly the same but much more practical in every way. Not that the GR isn't insanely awesome, it's just more limited in usability like a Miata.
@@LearnAboutFlow
forgot the Veloster N existed....
Who makes the 6 speed automatic transmission? Toyota?
They have a pair of gas struts for the trunk, but a prop rod for the hood! smh
11:27 probably not, i assume most people would buy a fun, affordable sports car would have the sense to order the car with a Manual Transmission
The fuel economy doesn't make sense. Ford mustangs have similar fuel ecumenical, but much much more powerful, and much heavier. Also the German sports coups are better than it.
Cool… I think I want one!
Can someone tell me why I shouldn't buy a Mustang Ecoboost and instead buy this car? The numbers seem more attractive on the Mustang.
Then that's what you should buy. Having choices is a good thing.
2007??? Try FRS started in 2011 as a 2012 model.
Can we unplug the fake audio module?
Yes
You can not seat 4 unless the passengers have no legs or are babies
no one will get these for $28,000. $31,000 base automatic. add 5 grand dealer mark up, additional dealer fees, over priced Mat's, window tint, pinstripes, tax, dealership owners fee, and you are looking at 38,000. ridicules fees, and mark ups. I had to negotiate the heck out the dealership, got $5,000 mark up down to $2,500, and an additional savings bringing my price of the vehicle before 7 % sales tax at $33,000. Ridicules. same story, dealerships Guage price.
No issue with Subaru/Toyota alliance...BMW/Toyota alliance did nothing for me.
Swap the engine with the Lexus V8