Medvedev Eliminated by Seyboth Wild in First Round | Roland Garros 2023
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- On tales from the booth (day 3), Gill Gross discusses his pick for the final, Daniil Medvedev, going out in the first round at the hands of Thiago Seyboth Wild. Also, Diane Parry brings an awesome play style to the WTA. And Alexander Zverev beat Lloyd Harris, but his level did not inspire confidence.
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Correction: At 4:40 I meant to say Golden Swing
It's quite hilarious you didn't even mention Medvedev lost to Karatsev in Madrid couple weeks ago with pretty much the same condition and type of player as Seyboth Wild. I know it's because you don't like a player like Karatsev (quite obvious from some of your videos), but give credit where credit due. I wonder if he gone far in this RG, would you still ignore him ? LOL
Hey Gill got a question, half not serious. What do you think of players who wear caps 🧢 I don’t mean ones who wear it for functional purposes ie sun, but ones who wear them as accessories and there ability to win grand slams it seems there’s been seldom grand slam winners in the last 20 years who have been consistent in big titles (grand slams) that have won who wear caps. The half serious side would be does it actually hinder performance at times/or distract I noticed this recently when I had to wear a hat playing tennis it was so unusual. I can’t help but think there’s been very few grand slam winners who wear hats even the top 10 now apart from Rune don’t wear hats aha kind of a funny mailbag to include 😂
@@Sir3gar that’s not at all hilarious. Madrid is at altitude and not at all similar conditions to RG. Also not everyone has to like the players you like. Don’t be weird.
@@manro8 I think you have to consider that 90% of slams the last 20 years have been won by three guys, none of whom wear caps. I don’t think there’s correlation here.
@@manro8 lol ask this in a mailbag
Seyboth Wild is one of the most extreme names I’ve ever seen, in terms of how differently it is actually pronounced vs how a regular American would guess the pronunciation.
Yup. It definitely doesn’t look like it should be pronounced Zyborg Vilch.
Noob Saibot, the grey ninja of Mortal Kombat, reincarnation of Sub Zero.
Well, call him then by initials TSW or TZV and ignore surnames. Like Felix or FAA, and this is Thiago or TZV
Might be German?
@@slkxnyr5723 Seyboth (mother) and Wild (father) are both German familiy names. I read awful things about this dude unfortunately.
I can see just the same you did about Wild. He has a special talent. But his head has prevented him to achieve his full potencial until today. Let's just hope he can keep his momentum, especially for a Brazilian like me, an orphan from Guga's times.
As far as I remember Medvedev predicted top30 for Botic van de Zandschulp after he played him at US open 2021.
He also did quite well in rio 2020 beating adf in an amazing match. Beating Ruud in Santiago 2020 final was a really impressing game from him. Really weird how he just fell off after that, but in todays match he looked like that version from 2020, and even better.
Good for you Gill for taking the time to research the pronunciation of Thiago's last name, the commentators of the match (understandably) kept mispronouncing his name.
I always wonder why names can’t just be spelled phonetically though. Would take the guessing out of it.
Great analysis as always.
And Gill, stop worrying about your predictions. That's what they are, predictions, made with the best logic&data you've got at the time.
Plus, if ppl had to get mad on RUclips for wrong predictions i think there is a long line of CryptoRUclipsrs way before anyone should get to your tennis predictions 😂😂
Gill, the investigation didn't reach any conclusions yet. He felt in the ranking during the process, very bad behavior in the court as well. He moved to Argentina and started to live and practice there. Argentina vibes made a difference and he became more hard worker... Complaining less, more patient, more calm. He is a different player today, with a different behavior.
Meddy did improve massively this season on clay. However, best of 5 at the french is a completely different ball game. Court speed is lower, ball is fluffier, courts are bigger. More endurance, tactical prowess, focus, concentration and staying power required. Daniil simply isnt to utilize all of these over the course of 5 sets.
So? He still made quarters and 4th round
correct. Since Meddy won the 2nd and 3rd sets, he would have won the match if this was a 1000 masters.
@@greenhammer1148 You can't assume Seyboth Wild would have played the exact same way had it been a three set match. You can't change one variable and expect everything else to go the same way.
How far will Thiago go in this tournament? I would not be surprised if he loses next round.
He’s playing a guy much lower ranked in the next round so he’ll probably win
bigging up Medvedev for the French Open based on the slow, heavy and wet conditions of Rome was a bit of a stretch.
Are you implying slow is good for Medvedev? I thought RG would be quicker, and that would only help. Seems like it’s actually slower.
@@GillGross Just to clarify the hotter conditions of RG made it possible for Thiago to hit through Medvedev. Whereas in Rome, it seemed hitting through Medvedev was way more difficult. It seems the difference was mainly the wet vs dry conditions. Also, Medvedev does not seem to love the higher bounce at RG.
This is exactly my opinion too.
Medvedev still suffers from:
- court position
- serve is negated
- lack of attacking forehand
Of course it was unexpected. But in Brazil we already knew that Thiago is a great player. I mean, he has great potential. But because of his inmaturity in his first years as a professional and also due to many injuries he still hasn´t achieved his best. It seems that now he is doing better. Let us see the next matches in RG and in the rest of the season.
He's also beats women
As a Brasilian who might know more than us. Did he actually beat his girlfriend or we don't really know like zverev ?
@@user-rr4xt8du6c probably justified. If I'm not wrong that woman tried to trap famous Brazilian people regularly by trying to get pregnant .
@@romaintagliaferro3189 he wasn't pled guilt in this allegations (at least not yet), but the relationship was totally bizarre, the girl also exposed him, he exposed her after it, it was kind of a mess, nobody really know what actually happened
Not loving the journalist intimidation factor… not a good look
Thanx for the detailed backstory and complete breakdown of the R1 match. Got it! Not as big of an upset as in Rome due to match conditions, Wild's early career promise, Wild's recent strong successes, Wild's match mojo and Danil's underpowering forehand in the match. Awesome analysis Gill. Again-Thanx Best, Milan
Seyboth Wild is a smart player. He actually speaks like 4 languages fluently
There is so much young talents now, its gonna be mental game to filter the top 5. Most of them are great at HC. On clay, Alcaraz(HC to) and Rune. On grass only Sinner with his flat strokes. HC is full so I can't even count them all. Daniil leading the group, but there is bunch of guys standing in the line. With all that said I believe Novak is so much underrated on this RG. With his enormous experience and superhuman physics I see him as No1 favourite to win this. Wimbledon to, easily if he stays healthy.
Tomas I agree with everything but the Djokovic part about RG btw not saying he’s not a contender probably my 2nd favorite for RG
@@colethomas903 I have doubted him to many times, and every time he proved me wrong. Im not doing same mistake again.
Marozsan at Rome, Struff at Madrid and now Wild...these names keep coming
Gill, the title made me think this is a 40 minute video on the Medvedev-Wild match. Showing timestamps on these videos (like the Mailbag videos) will be super useful and a quick indication that there are different matches addressed. Great analysis as usual 👍
Lloyd Harris has a career losing record on clay, is ranked outside of the Top 200, had not played a clay match all season and still should’ve been up 2 sets to love on Zverev. That’s how far Zverev has fallen. He will be lucky to win another match here
It's all about bounce and contact point with Medvedev. He's hitting his forehand bigger, but only from a lower contact point, there's not much improvement on the high ball. Rome became low bouncing because of the rain, speed is irrelevant really.
How interesting this video is really enjoyed every minute of it
keep going Gill ❤
Great win for Wild, I am a big fan
Let’s not be prisoners of the moment
Wild should be in prison
Wild is DOG**** won't even make Round 4
Interesting commentary from Medvedev after the match. He said ;he can't deal with those heavy balls and those wrist - players like Alcaraz as well. Wilds fh was /is huge. And with the wrist 👌👋👊
I do agree with the balls situation. I am a college level player and the worse balls to use are the Wilson US OPEN . They get fluffy and bigger the more you use them and the game becomes very slow. This is in hardcourts i can only imagine how much slower is in RG
Well, it is jubilar Meddy's 5 out 7 first rounder at Roland-Garros
He made 15 double faults, thus match gone wild with a wind... even Zverev couldnt made so much at his best double faulting days.
When these two happen to dont serve well, and things goes into catastrophic doublefaulting serie, then they could lose to anybody really
* 6:56 "kinda wilch..."
:) unusual psybot. Awesome forehands
Are you going to make a video about Monfils’s win? That was something else
Analogy of Bia Haddad and Ball Machine was spot on! I'm a Bia fan as well.
I'd like your take on how wet the courts are. I heard a lot of shoes squeaking on clay which is weird. I don't remember that in previous years.
Gill, you have already been accused so many times of being a victim of recency bias in the past, that's why you thought Meddy would go to the finals.
Mamma mia santa Paris....
Well, I told you so. It got conditions the ball has more height and spin. That wears out Medvedev in best of 5. The conditions in Rome suited Medvedev
First time for me to see Wild. I thought he played like Roger but with a two handed backhand.
Even looks like it
Well how can that be like Roger?. That’s what set him apart from the rest😅
Too bad I could not watch this match but I’m intrigued with Wild.
1:45 I was thinking exactly this after the match, but with top 50.
Lol Carlitos won Stefanos won...no upset today a normal day in the office 😁
Seyboth Wild's name is pretty apt for this result, pronunciation aside lol. Absolutely wild stuff; completely upends the bottom half.
Ouch Gill, this one surprised all of us (but Amy) 😅
I’ve seen the serve issue coming 😢
I think it was the determining factor at the end.
What was Gill saying again about Medvedev’s resurgence on clay? Had me fooled
Re: balls...it's either a quality control/supply chain issue with materials or the tournaments are making a request for slower balls.
Its weird watching a top 1-5 guy in Medvedev go through the struggles he’s going through in majors since that Australian Open loss to Rafa.
When i started watching tennis 12-15 years ago the top 4 guys never had these results, maybe the odd loss before a QF but that was incredibly rare.
It just shows how remarkable the ‘big 3’ + Murray’s major consistency was, they never had results like these basically ever.
I think there’s a term for big 3 + Murray haha
@@BillyBob-xi9ih yep but i can’t be annoyed using it (yes there was a ‘big 4’) because it seems to trigger so many lol
Not really true all top players have lost unexpectedly. From time to time
@@adrianonline69 Murray got to the quarters or better in every slam he played between 2011 and 2017 except for 2 4th rounds (US Open 2015 and Australian Open 2017)
@@adrianonline69 not the big 4 in Slams. The few times they did lose early it was a big deal
if the bounce is higher with the FO balls, then that bodes well for Tsitsipas.
Robert so you think he will win the whole thing ?
It’s Stef’s best slam by far. And best conditions for his game with the OHBH. But can he beat Alcaraz?
@@colethomas903 Possibly, if not, at the very least he will relish the high bounce( if that happens to be the case) as his top spinning backhand will be potent.
@@sandranastia Stef's chances would be better if it is a day match with hot, dry and high bouncing conditions.
@@robertingersoll3039 I agree. He has an easy draw until Alcaraz. So he should make the QF’s very easily imo.
Now Coric will slay this new clay court god too.
who do you think seyboth wild's play style looks like? seyboth himself says his idol is rafa. in my opinion, except two handed backhand seyboth play style is a bit similiar to fed
Something that I must point out is that just because Seyboth Wild won this match, doesn't mean that he was all that much better than Medvedev, as it was a close 5-setter. Gill seems to be full of praise for Wild and focusing on the negative aspects of Meddy, but Medvedev wasn't that much worse than Wild, sine it was a fairly close 5-setter in which Medvedev broke his serve a good number of times. In a parallel universe Meddy would've gotten a little bit luckier in crucial moments and would've won this match.
I think it's more fair if you don't paint these players so black-and-white based on who won and who lost, Gill. Especially when it's a close match
Medvedev’s second serve in 2023 has been awful. Double faulting in crucial moment. He needs to work on that next couple of weeks before wimbledon… i watched first and second set and thought meddy was playing terrible… worst he has been this year. People think he didn’t do a lot of Unforced error because the other side did much more, but meddy’s unforced error is appalling. He shouldn’t have lost the first set. Should’ve closed with 6-3 on second set.
There’s always next time… let’s go for wimby meddy
I don’t disagree with you. I just didn’t have the time to get into studying and talking about where Medvedev was successful.
@@GillGross okay, fair enough. Thank you for taking the time to read this comment and considering it 😊. It was a great video nonetheless in my opinion 😃. I really do mean it when I say I'm looking forward to these daily updates
Greetings & thanks as always for the enjoyable & erudite content! QUESTION: One can only access TC Plus if you're a Tennis Channel subscriber, right? Never hurts to ask. Wish I could hear your broadcasts! You have a great broadcasting voice and your analysis rivals anyone's I've ever heard. COntinued success to you.
Tennis Channel is a part of my cable tv service. But the answer to your question, to have TC Plus you need to subscribe to it separately from the Tennis Channel. I subscribed a couple of months ago because they were offering a discount. It's normally around $109, and I paid $89. It's for the whole year. I subscribed because I wanted to watch some matches that TC wasn't showing. TC Plus also has tournaments that go back years with each match that you can pick to watch. The worse thing about it that I found is that on most matches there is no commentary on the recorded matches. It's the entire tennis match as you would watch, the sound of the crowd, chair umpire calling scores, or players talking, but no commercials, and no one doing commentary.
@@mrsjake1828 thank you for the detailed info.
Long live variety! I love seeing a one-trick-pony get sliced and diced.
I think he needs a better 1st serve. But that forehand makes up for everything.
do you think the court size of Phillips charter also doesn't suit Medvedev at all? Seems like he can't hit through players on that court, like cilic last year.
But Medvedev also loves to stand back, so I think Philippe Chatrier is actually better for him.
Can't believe so many people are ignoring the allegations
nice analysis
I felt like Medvedev didn’t throw the match but was okay seeing his friend win in the end too….
Great video Gill
How much does this win mean if he loses next round?
I’m with you on Parry
Wild forehand was nasty…a rocket
I predicted him 3rd round, but this is surprise for sure. Daniil just isn't adjusted for this kind of clay. Top spin plays big role on RG and thats the worst enemy for the Russian. I cant see him win RG in future. Still waiting for him to make a big step on grass.
I am so sorry Denil is out. He is one of my most favorite players. Denil took it very well though.
He said it about Cressy
Kokkinakis vs Wawrinka, something more will hurt there than tennis balls being hit for winners...
Hey Gill would you say Danil played bad today?
I’m still sad about this result, not sure how long is gonna last 😢
Aww don’t be sad. Meddy has had an awesome year so far!
Can't say I'm not feeling the same. I want to look to see his results, and it just shows the score from this last match. So, I'm hoping this is only a 2 week vacation from tennis when he starts his first grass tournament. He reached the final in those 2 from last year, and I'm hoping for a win or two this year.
@@sandranastia If you look at his record, this is his best year yet. 4 titles a year in 2019 and 2021. 5 so far in 2023, and we're not even half way through. Odd years seem to be his best years. I'm hoping for at least 2/3 more trophies, and maybe 1 a repeat slam. If he's going to get a repeat trophy win, let it be this one.
@@mrsjake1828 I agree! Let's go for another US Open
Seriously interested to know how ANY coach can call themselves a coach and get paid for it and yet not teach their clients basic tennis shots like volley and slice or kick serve? I mean, how do you reach 19/20 yo without these shots?
Players like Zverev (volleys) & Stef (bh slice) dont count cos their coaches are parents which only shows what a bad idea this arrangement is, but then (whatshisname) doesnt have a kick serve and so many players have no net game at all and with Wimby around the corner, how can you not have a slice?
Im baffled by the Coaching profession
Medvedev just hates the french open 🤣
Dont worry man. It was a shocker. Thats why sport is so fun.
Not to worry Gill, I had Meddy too😀
Get Wild or go home!😮
Med blamed the wind for his DFs.
not a surprise..tomorrow Marton will do same thing to Nole..
Wanna bet?
@@amladenovic7904
Ne..ali ne bi me čudilo..Fučović je jako nezgodan na zemlji,jak ko bik i može biti problem svakome..
Meddy has lost in the first round of RG before.
Whatever you said Supernovak Goatovic rules the world of tennis.💯👍🍾👽👑
Thx!
Medvedev, the king of -clay- mud
Thank god
He got the zverev genes
Gill, yer just flappin yer gums. We have to wait and see how Wild does. Why are you making this big prediction about him when you just blew your prediction about Medvedev? Un peu de modestie!
U were too early to call claydev🤣
Gil's biggest problem is that he thinks of himself as a big analyst and does what many analysts do i.e. overanalysis.
Just when he was jumping into the Medvedev bandwagon, I knew that his predictions will go haywire.
Infact, it would be best if we do not take his predictions seriously. I may be wrong but Novak for the title.
There'll be more to come for your wrong predictions it's normal.
Medvedev's forehand is a loose, gangly, flawed shot. When he doesn't time it well, it's his main weakness.
Meddy deserved this loss. He didn't play well (lot of double faults, unforced errors) and/or played wrong tactically (lot of short ball returns, not enough angled short making, stayed too far from the baseline, rarely attacked Wild's slow second serve). Meddy was too deffensive in this match, thus he played to Wild's strength, allowing long rally games that he would lose eventually on this super slow court.
Embarrassment -3000 favorite
Wild is NOT a beast, will NEVER reach top 30. He is garbage. TERRIBLE loss. You have NEVER discussed this player in earlier tournaments.... lol
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Wild is just a lucky win. Sorry. It’s just the truth. Wild had zero consistency in the past. And Daniil just wasn’t playing well IMO. Just the win against Carlos during Rome, bad days happen to the best but its going to be a while til we ever hear from these players again. (IMO).
Wild has been really conistent on the challenger tour this year. And Medvedev played a little worse than normal, but not much. Wild's playstyle is just a bad matchup for Meddy.
Luck can always be a factor to an extent but Med is not the greatest player on clay especially at RG he's never played that well. He's improved on clay somewhat but the result in Rome was mostly due to the conditions favoring him heavily imo. After Rome I thought he was being overhyped as a contender for reaching RG final.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten Just shows how good the big 3 are (were). I dont think Nadal ever lost in the first round at RG.
Time for Medsvedev to get back on his meds.
Watch wild lose in the next round
I still dont understand why Gill is heavily criticicing Medvedev loss but he kind of justified Alcaraz lose against Marouan. I mean is fine to have preferences but journalists should not be biased.
I don’t think I was very critical of Medvedev in this video at all. But even if I was, it’s two different matches. Why should my opinion or analysis be the same?
@@GillGross because i feel like you always favour Carlos. You even said that he is the favourite for RG when the favoirite is obviously novak
From what I've seen Gill is the least biased analyst out there. Just because you disagree with his take doesn't mean he is biased.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten he is biased for carlos since i think he is half spaniard by the way he looks
He is not a journalist, he is a utuber.
all talk... no video support... boooorrrriiinnnggg
😂😂 medveflop
Seyboth Wild is a German surname, you're pronouncing it with a Brazilian accent. It sounds awful. I know that's he might but it's actually hard on the ears.
I can't believe Meddy lost to Seaboat Wind!! Especially as he was looking so good on clay and everyone was getting way to excited. He choked in the fifth set! Chokosquirrels know what I mean 😂😂
Gill please be careful with the title of this content as usually.Some of us has not seen the match.
You are right but, well, an unscheduled 40 minute video on Med's first round match? I know that this still doesn't fully spoil it and you can go watch it with some heightened curiousity, but the existence of the video itself is kind of a spoiler 🙂
"Nothing to talk about unless Carlos loses"
Please tell me you didnt mean this Gill.
We've got Stef, & Musetti, then LaPouille, Umberto, Wawa, SchwartyD all looking to find their former form, not to mention Fognini, Shapo and ADF,
Oh and that other guy who's won it before
But nothing to see here- unless Carlitosbaby drops out.
Wow.
Misunderstood me and also not what I said. I will be talking about whichever matches I’m assigned to call every day. I was saying I’ll deviate if something crazy happens, such as Carlos losing.
@@GillGross
Ok Gill, Im not looking to quarrel wuth you😄, and admittedly I said 'nothing' rather than 'not as much', but now I'm quoting here,
"Probably wont be as long because there wont be as much to talk about - unless Alcaraz loses or something like that".
I still take issue with the concept given all those afore-mentioned players on court today and some comeback efforts providing drama - both Stan in another 5-setter & Pouille sadly lost today, while Shapo finally made the 3rd round, that there wont be as much to talk about.
I shall politely disagree. 😊
@@lsb9073 my fault for bad communication. I respond because I appreciate you!
Gill picks were all wrong 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, Shapo upset alert, 😂😂😂😂, Nishioka upset alert😂😂😂😂, Medvedev makes the final 😂😂😂😂😂, Gill you should give up tennis Analyse and watch Golf😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Lmao