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  • @antl82
    @antl82 Год назад +37

    im gonna guess that rocket mode cuts off as its just briefly using the peak rating for the pack. if it was kept on you run the risk of hitting thermal cut off limits of whichever cells they are using. As annoying as it is, thats quite a good safety feature.

    • @JackCecil
      @JackCecil  Год назад +20

      I'll be testing those limits. You can bet on it.

    • @keithcarpenter5254
      @keithcarpenter5254 Год назад +4

      I'd expect the esc to have current limiting too, by the time the cells are hot enough to trip the thermal fuse they'll already be damaged....

    • @shmack-dab-in-da-middle3960
      @shmack-dab-in-da-middle3960 Год назад +1

      Garbage...I want PowerBand on demand!!! 2Strooooooooooke!

    • @ericklein5097
      @ericklein5097 Год назад

      If they aren't using Molicel P42A's or P45B's I'd question every other choice made on this bike by the manufacturer

    • @jeffmcclain
      @jeffmcclain 11 месяцев назад

      @@ericklein5097They are using LG M50LT cells, which rate at 7A each (max burst 10A) and in 20S7P config, that is pitiful (yes they SAY BMS max is 85A normal and 150A turbo burst, but that don't mean cells can supply that). EBMX told me the tune they are working on for it is struggling to add much given the top end current out of this pack limitations...

  • @James-sir
    @James-sir Год назад +37

    Just because you don’t need to make it more powerful you being Jack probably should make it more powerful

    • @JackCecil
      @JackCecil  Год назад +9

      You already know.

    • @SIMON-dp5sf
      @SIMON-dp5sf Год назад +2

      I hope to eventually see this thing become unrealistically fast lol

  • @markcloudchaser874
    @markcloudchaser874 Год назад +6

    6:07 in, as you turn the key, you can hear the horse power lol..beautiful bike.

  • @mediatool9596
    @mediatool9596 Год назад +94

    Yeah these things are killer but, WHY Dafuq do they cost $10k+ !!????? It's obscene

    • @rcpilot179
      @rcpilot179 Год назад +5

      Maybe if they get some competition? Hopefully, the price will go down.

    • @robertrawdanowicz6735
      @robertrawdanowicz6735 Год назад +10

      I will be selling them at 6K

    • @LordLoMR2
      @LordLoMR2 Год назад +17

      They’re mainly for rich kids or guys with money to blow.

    • @lukeamato423
      @lukeamato423 Год назад +9

      The batteries .that's why

    • @kirstyedwards4600
      @kirstyedwards4600 Год назад +2

      I'd prefer the Talaria 72v

  • @jakegorman7121
    @jakegorman7121 Год назад +5

    My lawnmower feels good on the grass also . Confidence inspiring LMAO

  • @dillonshaw
    @dillonshaw Год назад +12

    Try to make it over to the LZ compound to test it out!

  • @rafaelmoreno3243
    @rafaelmoreno3243 Год назад +3

    Get a used dirt bike on the marketplace And have a buddy that's a good welder weld a bracket for your 72v mid drive motor and the hardest part is done ✅ after that get a controller and battery based on what your needs are Also replacement parts will always be available. Always! If a ebike company shuts down. Good luck finding replacement parts( seriously 😂).But this is a nice bike plus side is it's an Apollo those parts will always be around ( Honda clone parts probably!) 😂

  • @tenors001
    @tenors001 Год назад +11

    Looking forward to seeing them in stock so I can pick one up. With my size the sur ron was just a bit on the small side. This should be perfect!

    • @JackCecil
      @JackCecil  Год назад +3

      Yea this is one size up!

    • @Slippzy
      @Slippzy Год назад

      10k.....

    • @srrtbb
      @srrtbb Год назад

      Surron is releasing the ultra which is bigger version on the superbee which should be the same size as this.

    • @robertrawdanowicz6735
      @robertrawdanowicz6735 Год назад

      ​@@Slippzy I just ordered 20 of them. I am going to sell them at $6K if you are interested.

    • @robertrawdanowicz6735
      @robertrawdanowicz6735 Год назад

      massage me if you are interested in buying one. I am taking orders

  • @baltazard133T
    @baltazard133T Год назад +3

    Pretty cool to you realize the front forks/suspension is a meager little mountain bike setup.....first time you case that front-end you're going over the bars for sure....

    • @CartaIV
      @CartaIV Год назад +3

      You're tripping those front stantions are probably close to 45mm with 200mm of travel. Most high end full supension bikes (used for trails not downhill) run 120-150mm of travel lol that is 100% dirtbike suspension if anything EXTREMELY nice downhill forks not to mention theyre inverted..

    • @Jay-ns5ub
      @Jay-ns5ub Год назад

      @@CartaIV Downhill mountain bikes usually use 200mm travel forks

  • @rogerhardy6481
    @rogerhardy6481 Год назад +1

    Rear suspension is smooth and doesn't kick like conventional suspensions.

  • @deeredude
    @deeredude Год назад +10

    I want more tractor content. You always make good videos.

  • @minzahhh1
    @minzahhh1 Год назад +8

    Looks 10x cooler than a sur

  • @leeedwards7721
    @leeedwards7721 9 месяцев назад

    In the UK there are INCH-PERFECT-TRIALS that use the New Electric TRIALS bikes and they are Brilliant, You can get 1 with an Clutch so when you Need to Rev the Motor [WITHOUT TAKING OFF] You can Hold in the Clutch Rev the Motor and release the Clutch to JUMP up obstacles. E-MOTION i think the Manufacturer is in Europe. The Best E-BIKE i have seen yet [Like an SURRON/TALARIA] Is the E-RIDE-PRO SS,As it has already got EVERYTHING you would put on a Standard Surron 60V.

  • @Captinfun101
    @Captinfun101 Год назад +1

    When you said little on the dinky side the horse in the background agreed 😂

  • @Anthony-os8id
    @Anthony-os8id Год назад +3

    After seeing multiple vids of Ebikes catching fire.
    I believe if they can make the bike's with a quick battery release system so if there is a fire, you can kick a lever and allow the battery to unplug and drop too the ground.
    Saving the bike from damage.

  • @davem145mxr
    @davem145mxr Год назад +3

    So do you put playing cards in the spokes to try to mimic a motorcycle like sound ?

  • @r7kelley553
    @r7kelley553 Год назад +1

    The tortoise mode seemed pretty useless but other than that it looks like a lot of fun. I would love to get one someday.

  • @robertstetson9705
    @robertstetson9705 Год назад +3

    Hey Jack what is that music in the beginning. I've been looking for that style like the song opium. Thanks big fan from way back. Good to see your still producing content

  • @SavageD1984
    @SavageD1984 Год назад +29

    This one looks super nice and with some good power behind it, would love to see you hack this one to unlock it's full potential, like getting it to stay in rocket mode all the time and unlocking the speed limiter , I think it would take it to another level specially being a 100lb bike 👍👍

    • @JackCecil
      @JackCecil  Год назад +5

      For sure! I'm working on it!

    • @dariusbass115
      @dariusbass115 Год назад +2

      You've got that right! Very well said.

    • @mrobertson188
      @mrobertson188 Год назад +1

      For 10k you can get something way more fun than one of these

    • @kylekq
      @kylekq Год назад

      @@mrobertson188 He said same price as a surron, so I'm assuming 4-5k

  • @NateAlder
    @NateAlder Год назад +3

    Awesome song, where did you get it?

  • @ivenjarchau218
    @ivenjarchau218 Год назад +4

    The bike looks great and seems to rip, but when I hear it kills a SURRON it make me wonder. Surron is a brand name, so what Surron model is it being compared to? SURRON has the Light bee, Light bee X, Ultra bee and Storm bee on the market.

  • @srrtbb
    @srrtbb Год назад +3

    Since you have superbee wish you would park next to this for size comparison. Also surron releasing superbee ultra which should be similar in size.
    Ps. Man your property is dope as hell! I love all the Kei trucks you have!!!

    • @JackCecil
      @JackCecil  Год назад +1

      light bee is around 15-20% smaller. the ultra bee is around 15-20% larger. so this bike fits in between.

    • @camvango
      @camvango Год назад

      Ultra bee is 187 lbs so much heavier

  • @ryanmerrill8879
    @ryanmerrill8879 Год назад +1

    Controller and battery upgrade should allow permanent rocket mode. Battery probably cant keep up for extended periods of time.

  • @NateAlder
    @NateAlder Год назад +4

    What's the name of the manufacturer and where can I find this bike?

  • @laureljensen796
    @laureljensen796 Год назад +2

    They make the Sur ron ultra bee now and storm bee for full size.

  • @jeeperzcreeperzz
    @jeeperzcreeperzz Год назад +10

    You should do a comparison on a track with a surron

  • @michaelh6667
    @michaelh6667 Год назад +2

    Are they any charging station on the trail?

  • @wonderingwolf206
    @wonderingwolf206 Год назад +1

    Wish I could afford one

  • @egroegartfart
    @egroegartfart Год назад +7

    I think for proper testing of this bike it should be tested in different climates. Ohio would be an excellent test site. I would be more than happy to do one of those tests. Lol.

  • @alexander3131
    @alexander3131 Год назад +2

    I will be getting one of those

  • @emplays22
    @emplays22 Год назад

    I get that rocket mode lasting a few seconds is a precaution so the motor or battery doesn't get burnt out or the rider doesn't hurt themselves but i feel like they should've let it last a bit longer. Since they was able to program it to do that then i assume the curious and savvy person can undo that restriction.

  • @jconn1984
    @jconn1984 Год назад +3

    Been a fan for few years now. No hate but curious if you still want to post car content? Been watching long enough to understand you post based on what you want, not for views or money...just would love a car update. Either way love your channel

    • @JackCecil
      @JackCecil  Год назад +1

      Yea of course there will be plenty of car stuff. Thanks for watching

  • @affemitwaffe1404
    @affemitwaffe1404 Год назад +1

    nice but can u ride it like the sur ron every where, with this optic, i dont think so

  • @islandclub69420
    @islandclub69420 Год назад +3

    opening edit is 🔥🔥🔥🔥.SPUNK!

  • @BenjySparky
    @BenjySparky Год назад +4

    Jack you rock! Love the channel and content! Love that bike must be nice because you said it was better than a SurRon! Peace

  • @rirrid5662
    @rirrid5662 Год назад +3

    Free bowl of cereal when you lift the lid off the speedo.

  • @paulsedyps84
    @paulsedyps84 Год назад +1

    Make rocket mode is like my 750watt bagang mid drive motor difference is it doesn't cut out after 10 seconds it didn't cost me more than £800 including the battery and I got to choose the bike i put it on .these thing's cost way way way too much

  • @zaccllewellyn8950
    @zaccllewellyn8950 Год назад +1

    If the seat and plastics were a bit lower down from the bars it'd be good to stunt but you could get smaller forks and get wider smaller tyres to build a freestyle street stunt bike build aswell

  • @jwolveee
    @jwolveee Год назад +1

    Had to watch the video twice - cause I couldn't believe you didn't mention the name ONCE!... 🤨

  • @upnorthkenny9674
    @upnorthkenny9674 Год назад +3

    You have to remember the surroundings like a bicycle would let you get away with a lot more looks like a full on dirtbike. You might as well buy a dirtbike.👀

  • @MisterRoads
    @MisterRoads Год назад +3

    Range is effectively 40 miles. The Surron storm bee is double for less. Price is about 8.5k and goes to 75-80 mph. Id like to see some mods on that.

    • @wasatchadventures8947
      @wasatchadventures8947 11 месяцев назад

      It will not get 40 miles on fast off road riding, not will the Ultra bee get 80!

  • @deano9919
    @deano9919 Год назад

    How does this bike not exist on the internet? Searched all over and can’t find it😮

  • @muhammadli9440
    @muhammadli9440 Год назад +1

    Give me 450-600 power a traditional gear shifter at the left foot and a clutch and 5 speed...
    On a dirt bike frame and I'd want one.

  • @petter5721
    @petter5721 Год назад +1

    Love my Cake bike 💕

  • @PunchingCacti
    @PunchingCacti Год назад +2

    You should have the name of the bike somewhere in the title or description at least.

    • @rirrid5662
      @rirrid5662 Год назад

      Exactly how do we know what it even is?

  • @peedee4065
    @peedee4065 Год назад +3

    TLDW (Too Long, Didn't Watch) version: From Apollo. 120 lbs (he says 115 - 120 lbs, makes me wonder if he actually put it on the scale). 12kw rated (Surron 5kw). 72v (Surron 60v). Price = same as Surron. Rear tire 18", front 19".
    I'm skeptical about the thing, since it's a pre-release version. What will the price actually be? Weight? This thing is slightly bigger and has wider tires and a hotter engine/battery, hmmmm, I'll believe the weight when I see it scale verified. Range is questionable. Tortoise mode gives 2 hours, supposedly; rabbit mode (supposedly feels like 5kw Surron) is next mode up and ostensibly gives less time.
    I'm excited by the thing but want to see the real specs.

    • @northernadventurer160
      @northernadventurer160 Год назад +1

      Came to say, worst product description pitch ever. He mentioned Surron so many times and not once gave full name of this model

    • @peedee4065
      @peedee4065 Год назад

      @@northernadventurer160 Yup, definitely not impressed with the presentation. In his other video he says the price is $5-6000, which is not the same as Surron. So, there are lots of things being glossed over.

  • @ermac6466
    @ermac6466 6 месяцев назад

    Man i cant wait to put on a pedal kit on that thing.

  • @joserefe5950
    @joserefe5950 Год назад +1

    It's a good thing I made a quick video scan. I though this video is about the bike specially how it performs. But you attached the cam to your body and what I will be watching is where your going not the bike.. Someone should be taking the video and do a panning or use a drone.

  • @robleith5885
    @robleith5885 Год назад +1

    What actually is this brand etc x

  • @alexcox6673
    @alexcox6673 Год назад +3

    Look up sur ronster on RUclips because he’s all about the modded up electric bikes, full size step through electric scooters and full size electric dirt bikes and pit bikes as well to

    • @JackCecil
      @JackCecil  Год назад

      Yes i talk to him. He's a cool dude!

  • @fishtailfuture
    @fishtailfuture Год назад

    I think this is def the future. And I'm a huge dirt bike guy. But I've ridden an electric bike. They are amazing. It's just longevity. What's funny is the could make an X version of electric bike. But the keep making them for crazy performance. If they designed a Bike to be electric, but more in the 225lb range rather than the 150-175 range. they would get the longevity that guys like myself are looking for. 3.5-4hrs. I would consider it then.

  • @brianadams429
    @brianadams429 Год назад +2

    How does this compare to the KTM electric bike?

  • @MW-tt3fy
    @MW-tt3fy Год назад

    Surron looks and sounds much better for me. Greetings from bavaria

  • @capolean2902
    @capolean2902 Год назад +1

    its a mid bike looks cool asf i bought a pit bike emptied out gonna make it electric fast enough for highways

  • @DaveEPie
    @DaveEPie Год назад +1

    Suspension?
    What forks?
    What rear shock?

  • @renegade-master29
    @renegade-master29 Год назад +3

    A kmx 125 and the smell of petrol, that's not a bike that's a robot 😁

  • @ls_812
    @ls_812 Год назад

    I love watching Jack's channel because he's got the coolest "toys" on RUclips..

  • @garydetaeye7081
    @garydetaeye7081 Год назад +2

    bet the price will still be more than its worth

  • @rwheellife
    @rwheellife Год назад

    Sorry, you spoke about the rear brake calipers, and displayed the Disk roader instead?

  • @johnmartin2079
    @johnmartin2079 Год назад +1

    I want one for the street headlights and tail light brake light switch

  • @mariannemeredith3487
    @mariannemeredith3487 Год назад +8

    Thanks for posting. REALLY looking forward to info on potential upgrades/tuning (especially info in additional cooling/thermal control for the motor & controller which might be needed to stay in "rocket" mode). How did you order this bike? Is there a USA distributor yet?

  • @MTO_Brothers
    @MTO_Brothers Год назад +2

    Looks like mtb brakes and suspensions which I’m very worried about with a bike way heavier than a Surron…

  • @ionflow1073
    @ionflow1073 Год назад +1

    I heard you mention that it's made by "Apollo". Is that the same Apollo that makes the scooters?

  • @yeinierserrano2635
    @yeinierserrano2635 Год назад +2

    When is this going in the market 😍???

  • @shmack-dab-in-da-middle3960
    @shmack-dab-in-da-middle3960 Год назад +2

    Real farm should have gas clutch gear and noise=fun

  • @jimnardone32
    @jimnardone32 Год назад +2

    I will stick to my sur ron. 72v chi battery with the new x9000 controller.

  • @ogasi1798
    @ogasi1798 Год назад +2

    looks f'in sick - a long way from getting me off my 500 though

  • @lifeoffline2248
    @lifeoffline2248 Год назад +1

    man, i really wanna jump on the electric bandwagon here because of weight and instant torque. but until they are similar in price AND POWER ima take the cheaper faster option. but damn if they arent coming along fast

  • @skip741x3
    @skip741x3 Год назад

    If you hacked the software and could keep it in rocket mode all the time you would have squat for range, it will eat up the battery reserves and likely overheat the motor and or controller... theres a reason why they limit it.. but sure looks fun!

  • @JagLite
    @JagLite 10 месяцев назад

    Looks great! I had to watch the video twice to hear who makes it though.
    Now I have to see if you have any more videos on it... Apollo you say? RFN is the model? Must google that!

  • @larrychiapelli8564
    @larrychiapelli8564 Год назад +1

    I would say if it only weighs a mere 120 lbs, it is not much bigger than a Surron. My black Terminator is much smoother riding and it keeps up with traffic real easy here in Metro Detroit. Itis an Enduro, made for both on and off roadd....looks 2x better too

  • @greggory448
    @greggory448 Год назад +1

    I love it I'd like to be in rocket mode all the time

  • @joshchatwin8569
    @joshchatwin8569 Год назад +1

    To me that's looks like the slowest on yet and that fact you can't keep it in rocket mode is a red flag

  • @mmig2116
    @mmig2116 Год назад +2

    Definitely looks good surron is small I’m interested in this what’s the price?

    • @robertrawdanowicz6735
      @robertrawdanowicz6735 Год назад

      I am selling them for $6k. Just got a shipment show up in the Los Angeles

  • @haydenmcauley2599
    @haydenmcauley2599 Год назад +1

    My yz 250f is just as lite and it's made by Apollo last time a had a Apollo it broke in the 1 week

  • @chopperhehehe
    @chopperhehehe Год назад +1

    How much is that bike loved it
    Exlant bike to stick on back my T4 van and play in woods for a bit
    👍👍👍😜🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🦕🦄😁✌️🤞

  • @ulukini9183
    @ulukini9183 Год назад +4

    Does it make the horse noise every time you turn the key on 6:08? Pretty cool feature

  • @joshuaglass1731
    @joshuaglass1731 Год назад +2

    I’ve seen them but dam I didn’t know 👍🔥

  • @mikebrubaker7232
    @mikebrubaker7232 Год назад

    I BET HE REALLY LIKED IT WHEN IT CAME UP

  • @tech_gg
    @tech_gg Год назад +1

    What is this bike called?

  • @pietjefriet6991
    @pietjefriet6991 Год назад +2

    Jesus Jack, you got it covered in dog shit on the first ride? Come on man! 😂🤣😂

  • @timbuzick8778
    @timbuzick8778 Год назад

    looks like the guy on mib where his head grows back

  • @benmartin6476
    @benmartin6476 10 месяцев назад

    This is the beta explorer
    Great reviews on it
    Beta rebranded rfn

  • @jimmywhitlow2012
    @jimmywhitlow2012 Год назад +1

    I would love to test this bike in the mountain trails in WV.

    • @Bayrum78
      @Bayrum78 Год назад +2

      Ditto. HMT Mullens to Pineville in rabbit mode.

  • @ChrisCrossingWires1212
    @ChrisCrossingWires1212 Год назад +1

    I like it just because it's not a surron and small and I'm glad you said you have the fastest surron at 85 but I really need to know that 1/4 mile time. top speed doesn't win races I'm asking cuz I wanna know if you have the fastest ebike.

  • @HexworldEF
    @HexworldEF Год назад +1

    Song name for edit?

  • @Hunter_Heart
    @Hunter_Heart Год назад +2

    This is ARES RALLY PRO, priced at $6k...max speed is 45 mph..for 74v?!

    • @JackCecil
      @JackCecil  Год назад +1

      This is an updated version. Speed is limited. It can go much faster.

    • @Hunter_Heart
      @Hunter_Heart Год назад +1

      @@JackCecil So, can some wire be cut and unlocked the true speed like Sur ron? What about the price? If its that high, then its not better.

    • @kevinkev1530
      @kevinkev1530 Год назад

      Real, motorcycle way better for the price

    • @0141star
      @0141star Год назад

      For the torque and size of wheel 45 mph isn't bad at all my old lmx p2 on 72v does 45 mph it can't go much faster even with gearing. this looks a bit more powerful so gearing down may help or get a higher kv motor for more speed

  • @brickcity9mm896
    @brickcity9mm896 Год назад +1

    When can we see you doing backflips?

  • @jollmearoint1970
    @jollmearoint1970 Год назад

    You kept saying we will get to that🤣🤣 this was a great rundown on this bike man it is very cool and beginner mode that's a great spot for first timers it's got plenty of power it seems to be pretty badass💪🏽💪🏽💚👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

  • @diegodelavega1335
    @diegodelavega1335 Год назад +1

    what the link to the bike store?

  • @BangForYourBuckRc
    @BangForYourBuckRc Год назад +1

    Apollo Has impressed me with their Pitbikes and now with this! Do you know if the speeds can be changed on the fly while moving? or does the bike need to be stopped?

  • @peterstull7874
    @peterstull7874 11 месяцев назад

    the one issue is this is def a dirt bike, while the surron could technically still be an ebike

  • @southernebiking
    @southernebiking Год назад

    Yes, but can you do a pirouette or a Piaffe at K in the dressage arena lol. Pretty cool toy

  • @frozengunner82
    @frozengunner82 Год назад

    U need that mode to get away from robbers

  • @MRGOLD99.999
    @MRGOLD99.999 Год назад +1

    Hope fully it's cheaper then a sue Ron and I'd buy one right now

  • @MZ8UEZ
    @MZ8UEZ Год назад +1

    Omg, that Song is Bangin!
    Who is that?

  • @earlsteves8141
    @earlsteves8141 Год назад

    What a sales man.!!!

  • @shawnhorne9296
    @shawnhorne9296 Год назад +1

    Where can you purchase one , nice video good job 👏 👍

  • @garyhughes8062
    @garyhughes8062 Год назад

    I do the E bike thing. I always say...."it's fast but not Motor Cycle Fast. Once owner of a '85 CR 500. Now I got a Delfast and a Stealth Bomber. Worse dirt bike ever made...the '79 Honda Elsinore, yep! that too....

  • @Flunkadunk4369
    @Flunkadunk4369 Год назад +1

    Could you please tell me how I can become a tester for products like this? I've tried but can't seem to figure it out man.