Finch is someone that if you meet him and hear him speak a few words that you instantly know that you have met someone different and of a highly educated level! Not many of his types in my area.
I worked with a Chemical Engineer like that. At first glance her manner of speech was idiosyncratic. But after working with her for a while I realized that was because she was literally the smartest person in the room and was two sentences ahead of you in the conversation, so she was waiting for you to catch up. it was a blast working with her after that, although it did give me a headache and left everyone else confused.
I don't think you would find him remarkable in any way. Remember he spent many years pretending to be just a regular programmer at one of his own companies, and none of his co-workers suspected him to be special at all. Even before he thought to create the machine, he led a double life hating any sort of attention or recognition.
In 2x02, Finch somehow managed to send a message to Reese, then Reese came and save Harold fom her. They proved she was wrong: Not all humans are bad code. In 2x22, FINCH'S MACHINE moved itself. It was something Harold hoped and it devastated Root. In this scene, Finch definitely beats her once more: Finch: How can you be so certain Ms. Groves that the Machine does not wish you to be precisely where you are? Root: 0_0 He beat her again in 4x18.
andcremo7 You even watch the show? Root beat Harold in 3x09. The title of this video is wrong, because even though Harold had a very good argument, in the end he was wrong and Root was right. Harold never beat Root, he was beaten. Watch 3x06 and right afterwards watch 3x09.
Parson Jo - Both of you have valid points. After watching all five seasons, I think Harold won this exchange. Did that mean he won every exchange with Root? No! Later, Root proved to be a great part of the team. At this point in the show, Reese and Harold didn't know if they could trust her. Their first interaction nearly cost a number but Harold worked it out. The second interaction but first face to face, she was a number. She had put a hit out on herself so she could kidnap Harold and find the machine. Wrong show but valid quote, "Now I love a bad girl me, but trust you?" (11th Doctor in Doctor Who). Ultimately, these early interactions with Harold, Reese, and the machine helped Root learn and become the character we grew fond of.
Like a few people who believe in a God, sometimes they have the mistaken belief they "know" what their God wants them to do, but they don't. Finch stops her arrogance right in it's tracks by asking a simple logical question she can't answer...
Loved this moment, so much. Always felt like Root kind of hijacked his relationship with his creation, and that she felt that becoming its tool gave her any kind of elevation. At the very least I was hoping she'd be awed into humility by being directly connected to The Machine for that time but no
At first it does give that feeling. But later on, especially during season 4 finale we get to understand that the Machine considers Harold as her father. Root has a different kind of relationship with her being the analog interface. It's funny that we wanted a more humbled Root and even Finch criticised her, but during season 3 episode 17 "Root cause" she told him off about his hubris to create God.
@@PersonofInterestGr That's true... in the end there's no point in arguing whether her zealotry's actually any worse than Finch's amoral (originally) decision to create AI. And they both did get better. I guess in the end it just boils down to me finding Finch's lack of smugness more preferable lol. He doubts himself a lot, which can be frustrating but I find it more tolerable than Root's conviction. I do like her, btw. She actually kind of gave me blue balls in how she seemed to have many cool adventures off-screen and we only ever saw her interesting costumes before/after.
@@Onigirli No need to argue. The video was uploaded in my younger days and the title shows my preference to Finch as does my name. Both characters were grey. Both evolved and got better towards each other. Root was a fanatic at first but then The Machine taught her and so did Harold. On the other hand Finch learned to trust her. The antithesis between those two was so great. Finch never trusted his machine especially after what happened to Joss and the order to kill the senator and Root could literraly die for the Machine in a heartbeat if she told her to. Neither was right. Finch was more cautious because he had his own moral compass and was afraid of what a Machine with unrestricted power could have done. Root was a genius but amoral so finding her glorious purpose made her a zealot. It could have been an interesting spin-off but it's been ages and I don't believe CBS cares.
As much as I like Finch, he didn't beat her at all. In the beginning of season 2, they ended even, he managed to get away, but so did she. In the season 2 finale the Machine had moved itself. And in this, Shaw was the one to take Root captive. And Root wasn't even fighting them, so I wouldn't call it "beating" her.
4Tom4lepus4 Right. Root beat Harold in 3x09. The title of this video is wrong, because even though Harold had a very good argument, in the end he was wrong and Root was right.
@@ThePartisan13 And she died saving him, so... And at that point, I'd hardly call her dying, him winning. In fact, I'm sure he considered it a great loss, Root's death, it was the turning point that led him down the path to destroying Samaritan.
Root initially was rather fast and loose with the killing of people. She spiked the drink of an innocent woman (Denton Week's mistress) just to get at Weeks. She killed the DMV worker who issued her a legit driver's license (as Caroline Turing). She was about to kill that transit employee just to "teach" Harold a lesson. Harold threw himself on her shooting harm making her miss the guy she was about to shoot. I'd say Harold beat her from the 1st second they tangled because morally did not willfully (or gleefully) resort to murder.
Then at the beginning of season 4 she beats Finch over and over again showing him what a hypocrite he is for not allowing Shaw and Reese to kill the senator in Season 3 'cause all lives matter and then the very next episode he won't cooperate to save another person's life' cause "under the circumstances they're facing, what difference does saving one or two lives make?"
Root beat Harold in 3x09. The title of this video is wrong, because even though Harold had a very good argument, in the end he was wrong and Root was right. In the end, Root beat Harold.
Hahaa owned!! The actress plays the role really well & she made me really hate Root and I like to see her suffer :D after the things she did in season 2.
Gunny King - Perhaps, he did but I think it was reasonable. I also don't think it had anything to do with the fact that they were women. I think Harold knew Reese better than the women as he had clearly been keeping tabs on him for awhile. I love the first season for many reasons but one of them is the interactions between the two characters. They were slowly getting to know how things would work between them. In that season, Harold makes his position clear early on to Reese. Reese also makes his position clear. "If you don't like my methods, hire somebody else." (Season 1:21) Harold didn't hire somebody else. The strong women in the show almost always were introduced as adversarial to Harold or to his mission. They were more independent and unpredictable. He didn't have nearly the time he had with Reese to work out his problems with them. It was all on the fly. My point is simple. Harold is a careful man. He knew what he was getting when he hired Reese. The women were never hired. They acted more like independent contractors. Harold even acknowledges to the women that he appreciated their help in at least two out of the three women (Carter, Root, and Shah/Shaw). At the same time, it had to be galling for him. He must have felt like he was starting back at square one with them.
Jenny Pack While I agree with your general point here, saying “The women were never hired” isn’t true in Shaw’s case. Remember they had an exchange in 3x05: S: “Am I fired?” F: “On the contrary Ms. Shaw, I think you finally got the job.”
For the most part, I agree with Jenny Pack, but there's also the simple fact that Shaw was a psycopath & Samantha I believe was a sociopath. It was established that she had some condition, while John, though occasionally psychotic, was neither a psycho nor a sociopath.
@@theeffectoflogic3 Root seems to be Borderline or have some other kind of serious mood disorder to me. Despite the growth of the character she was too abusive and unstable to really form true relationships with people despite being an asset. Shaw was said to simply not feel emotions as strongly as most people. As much as I hate the character of Shaw, she wasn't a psychopath. Simply severely emotionally stinted. Unfortunately that made her character very bland and hard to attach to. The actress did a good job with what she was given but the nature of the Shaw character makes any likeability impossible for me. As for John, he's been forced to push his emotions down due to the job he's been in. So he's more reserved about what he shows but he's actually still as normal as anyone else.
@@jennypack217 I can see that with Reese who's been with him since the beginning he trusts and cares about him the most (excluding grace, nathan and his late father), with Root and Shaw who have been unpredictable and sometimes if not all the time impulsive/ crazy he couldn't see or really understand them the way he does with john
Finch is someone that if you meet him and hear him speak a few words that you instantly know that you have met someone different and of a highly educated level! Not many of his types in my area.
He would make a great teacher or just a friend to talk to about literature.
It's not education. It's raw intelligence.
He reminds me of a person on youtube: Paul Williams; A scholar of religion
I worked with a Chemical Engineer like that. At first glance her manner of speech was idiosyncratic. But after working with her for a while I realized that was because she was literally the smartest person in the room and was two sentences ahead of you in the conversation, so she was waiting for you to catch up. it was a blast working with her after that, although it did give me a headache and left everyone else confused.
I don't think you would find him remarkable in any way. Remember he spent many years pretending to be just a regular programmer at one of his own companies, and none of his co-workers suspected him to be special at all. Even before he thought to create the machine, he led a double life hating any sort of attention or recognition.
Just started watching this series again. Such a great series 👌🏻👌🏻
1:41 Root.exe has stopped working
I hate to necro this post, but this is just the best comment.
😂😂😂
Harold endured the anger and insanity of The Machine's older siblings, ...all 42 of them. He survived, they did not
Dialogue where every statement is a move filled with meaning.
In 2x02, Finch somehow managed to send a message to Reese, then Reese came and save Harold fom her. They proved she was wrong: Not all humans are bad code.
In 2x22, FINCH'S MACHINE moved itself. It was something Harold hoped and it devastated Root.
In this scene, Finch definitely beats her once more:
Finch: How can you be so certain Ms. Groves that the Machine does not wish you to be precisely where you are?
Root: 0_0
He beat her again in 4x18.
andcremo7 You even watch the show? Root beat Harold in 3x09. The title of this video is wrong, because even though Harold had a very good argument, in the end he was wrong and Root was right. Harold never beat Root, he was beaten. Watch 3x06 and right afterwards watch 3x09.
Parson Jo - Both of you have valid points. After watching all five seasons, I think Harold won this exchange. Did that mean he won every exchange with Root? No! Later, Root proved to be a great part of the team.
At this point in the show, Reese and Harold didn't know if they could trust her. Their first interaction nearly cost a number but Harold worked it out. The second interaction but first face to face, she was a number. She had put a hit out on herself so she could kidnap Harold and find the machine. Wrong show but valid quote, "Now I love a bad girl me, but trust you?" (11th Doctor in Doctor Who).
Ultimately, these early interactions with Harold, Reese, and the machine helped Root learn and become the character we grew fond of.
Ahh the problems you run into when you assume you know what your god wants. Amy Acker is just so good, Root or Fred I love her.
Root makes crazy so appealing.
little did finch know that if he freed root carter may not have died.
Carter had to die for Cookie to be born
@@DDSizeBra *parole*
Look like root is finding out how angry the machine can get🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just watched this one again. Awesome show awesome characters awesome philosophy !
Like a few people who believe in a God, sometimes they have the mistaken belief they "know" what their God wants them to do, but they don't. Finch stops her arrogance right in it's tracks by asking a simple logical question she can't answer...
" I may not know everything however what I do know is more then enough"
I love badass Harold
Loved this moment, so much. Always felt like Root kind of hijacked his relationship with his creation, and that she felt that becoming its tool gave her any kind of elevation. At the very least I was hoping she'd be awed into humility by being directly connected to The Machine for that time but no
At first it does give that feeling. But later on, especially during season 4 finale we get to understand that the Machine considers Harold as her father. Root has a different kind of relationship with her being the analog interface. It's funny that we wanted a more humbled Root and even Finch criticised her, but during season 3 episode 17 "Root cause" she told him off about his hubris to create God.
@@PersonofInterestGr That's true... in the end there's no point in arguing whether her zealotry's actually any worse than Finch's amoral (originally) decision to create AI. And they both did get better. I guess in the end it just boils down to me finding Finch's lack of smugness more preferable lol. He doubts himself a lot, which can be frustrating but I find it more tolerable than Root's conviction. I do like her, btw. She actually kind of gave me blue balls in how she seemed to have many cool adventures off-screen and we only ever saw her interesting costumes before/after.
@@Onigirli No need to argue. The video was uploaded in my younger days and the title shows my preference to Finch as does my name. Both characters were grey. Both evolved and got better towards each other. Root was a fanatic at first but then The Machine taught her and so did Harold. On the other hand Finch learned to trust her. The antithesis between those two was so great. Finch never trusted his machine especially after what happened to Joss and the order to kill the senator and Root could literraly die for the Machine in a heartbeat if she told her to. Neither was right. Finch was more cautious because he had his own moral compass and was afraid of what a Machine with unrestricted power could have done. Root was a genius but amoral so finding her glorious purpose made her a zealot.
It could have been an interesting spin-off but it's been ages and I don't believe CBS cares.
What on Earth is wrong with you people? How can anyone hate Root. She is glorious
Bullshit - your opinion is not shared by everyone.
@@trythinkingforachange4201 well it's shared by most
@@trythinkingforachange4201 Agreed. She's horrible and ruined the show for me.
I mean I like her as a character but let's not forget she's killed innocent people and done worse just for money.
@@ThePartisan13 well when you put logic in it we cant argue anymore
Honestly! root can skip if she wants to, but she decided to stay .. I love root’s character, unique and awesome ..
Great scene
Apply ice pack on the burnt area Roots lol
As much as I like Finch, he didn't beat her at all. In the beginning of season 2, they ended even, he managed to get away, but so did she. In the season 2 finale the Machine had moved itself. And in this, Shaw was the one to take Root captive. And Root wasn't even fighting them, so I wouldn't call it "beating" her.
4Tom4lepus4 Right. Root beat Harold in 3x09. The title of this video is wrong, because even though Harold had a very good argument, in the end he was wrong and Root was right.
Technically he won in the end since she died so...
@@ThePartisan13 And she died saving him, so...
And at that point, I'd hardly call her dying, him winning. In fact, I'm sure he considered it a great loss, Root's death, it was the turning point that led him down the path to destroying Samaritan.
Root initially was rather fast and loose with the killing of people. She spiked the drink of an innocent woman (Denton Week's mistress) just to get at Weeks. She killed the DMV worker who issued her a legit driver's license (as Caroline Turing). She was about to kill that transit employee just to "teach" Harold a lesson. Harold threw himself on her shooting harm making her miss the guy she was about to shoot. I'd say Harold beat her from the 1st second they tangled because morally did not willfully (or gleefully) resort to murder.
@@victorpradha9946 Nothing you said has anything to do with what I said^^
gOD I love Finch!
Did they give her a bathroom? A shower? Even a change of clothes?!
And her "bed" is right next to the cage wall.
How inhumane!
I was about to down vote it. Then I heard the last line. Beautiful.
Then at the beginning of season 4 she beats Finch over and over again showing him what a hypocrite he is for not allowing Shaw and Reese to kill the senator in Season 3 'cause all lives matter and then the very next episode he won't cooperate to save another person's life' cause "under the circumstances they're facing, what difference does saving one or two lives make?"
ROASTED
Root beat Harold in 3x09. The title of this video is wrong, because even though Harold had a very good argument, in the end he was wrong and Root was right. In the end, Root beat Harold.
pwned
Root is freak inside and outside!!!
Burn
Hahaa owned!! The actress plays the role really well & she made me really hate Root and I like to see her suffer :D after the things she did in season 2.
Tjek
I never liked Root..She is the reason why I stopped watching the full episodes.
adnarim EXCUSE ME??!!
ROOT What ?
Finch had a problem with strong women. He would "counsel" Shaw on her violence but rarely talk to Reese about it.
Gunny King - Perhaps, he did but I think it was reasonable. I also don't think it had anything to do with the fact that they were women.
I think Harold knew Reese better than the women as he had clearly been keeping tabs on him for awhile. I love the first season for many reasons but one of them is the interactions between the two characters. They were slowly getting to know how things would work between them.
In that season, Harold makes his position clear early on to Reese. Reese also makes his position clear. "If you don't like my methods, hire somebody else." (Season 1:21) Harold didn't hire somebody else.
The strong women in the show almost always were introduced as adversarial to Harold or to his mission. They were more independent and unpredictable. He didn't have nearly the time he had with Reese to work out his problems with them. It was all on the fly.
My point is simple. Harold is a careful man. He knew what he was getting when he hired Reese. The women were never hired. They acted more like independent contractors. Harold even acknowledges to the women that he appreciated their help in at least two out of the three women (Carter, Root, and Shah/Shaw). At the same time, it had to be galling for him. He must have felt like he was starting back at square one with them.
Jenny Pack While I agree with your general point here, saying “The women were never hired” isn’t true in Shaw’s case. Remember they had an exchange in 3x05:
S: “Am I fired?”
F: “On the contrary Ms. Shaw, I think you finally got the job.”
For the most part, I agree with Jenny Pack, but there's also the simple fact that Shaw was a psycopath & Samantha I believe was a sociopath. It was established that she had some condition, while John, though occasionally psychotic, was neither a psycho nor a sociopath.
@@theeffectoflogic3 Root seems to be Borderline or have some other kind of serious mood disorder to me. Despite the growth of the character she was too abusive and unstable to really form true relationships with people despite being an asset. Shaw was said to simply not feel emotions as strongly as most people. As much as I hate the character of Shaw, she wasn't a psychopath. Simply severely emotionally stinted. Unfortunately that made her character very bland and hard to attach to. The actress did a good job with what she was given but the nature of the Shaw character makes any likeability impossible for me.
As for John, he's been forced to push his emotions down due to the job he's been in. So he's more reserved about what he shows but he's actually still as normal as anyone else.
@@jennypack217 I can see that with Reese who's been with him since the beginning he trusts and cares about him the most (excluding grace, nathan and his late father), with Root and Shaw who have been unpredictable and sometimes if not all the time impulsive/ crazy he couldn't see or really understand them the way he does with john