Triumph Scrambler 1200, "Crash Bars" or "Engine Dresser bars" ???
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- Опубликовано: 23 янв 2023
- What ever they're called, they can prevent terminal damage in a drop !
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They look nice and serve a purpose.
Being a courier I dropped my bike untold times over many years, usually from stalling during maneuvers, the bike would buckaroo me to the floor. My simple crash bungs saved the engine, indicators, mirrors every time. Cheers
Good to hear that mate, hope you never hurt yourself in any of those drops, despatching is a combat sport aye? Ride safe mate.
Another step to make to Scrambler a real-world motorcycle leaving asphalt. Crash bars are no exactly beautiful, but highly recommended in case of falling over. Which you do riding offroad from time to time ;-) Very soothing watching you work on a bike. Thanks for your channel, Günter/Nürnberg
Thank you for such kind words as always my friend, you're right, no-one can deny that they're a little ugly but they do such an important job and this bike will be getting some robust use that's for sure!
Eye of the beholder… it is that kind of part you could just give it a lick of paint etc if you don’t want them to be silver.
Seen one that wrapped them with engine wrap.
@@Moonfleet41 Robust cage for robust usage :-)
@@wobblysauce As you said, eye of the beholder. These crash bars help a lot with heavy bikes, eg with my old Transalp 600. Whereas on a light bike like my Beta Alp 200 I have no crash protection at all, only handguards for dense German forests. Looking forward for some TET Wales in summer after TET Salisbury Plain last year. Cheers from Nürnberg, Günter
Mebbe I’m in the minority, but I think they look great - in fact, to my eye, any Scrambler bike looks plain wrong without ‘em! 👍🏻
I like the look of that - Triumph does such really high-quality accessories. They come at a cost (!!!) but, they are worth it.
I've just bought some of these and having them powder coated black before fitting. I fitted some to my previous Street Scrambler and used a socket and wobble bar instead of a spanner on the top engine mount nuts. An impact gun also makes single handed installation easier, finishing off with the torque wrench of course.👍
Oops, I'm late to the party again. This whole going to work thing has ruined my you tube itinery!
It's nice to see the Trumpet Corp' offering their own accessories. I'm so used to pushing up Givi's share prices with every bike purchase it's become second nature.
Do they do a step ladder and retractable stabilisers for people who have really long torsos and tiny arms and legs like me ? If they dig up my fossilised skeleton they'll think I was an unfortunate T Rex!
Ok, that reminds me I need to take my meds.
Reality beckons!
Peace and love to you both ✌️ ❤️
I thought you'd like a little OEM action, hope i never get to use them in anger, im happy if they stay pretty for ever..lol Kepe safe buddy, and enjoy the gravy train..! D&Px
Ltns see great channel bud,remember you from powerhouse I used to have all the rd lcs used to wheely with rich on ride outs ,when you had a blackbird ,keep up the good work I also have a channel now 👊👍
That was the first thing I bought for my street Scrambler. Only mine were powder coated black. Didn't know a stainless version was available. Mine is at powder coat right now going to a medium dark, satin grey, with light metal flake. Also my R brake pedal, shifter lever, headlight mount bracket castings, and rear rack. It's a blacked out bike. I didn't want to add any chrome but wanted some contrast/detail.
Sounds like it's gonna be fabulous mate... enjoy! I would have preferred black but they only offer silver for the XE!
@@Moonfleet41 Go figure, right?
@@x-man5056 Ha ha, nothing surprises me with factory options any more..! lol
I guess I better tackle the dresser bars tomorrow instead of the heated grips. Winters here but my engine needs protection. The factory instructions don’t say the torque specs for the exhaust. Guess I’ll set those to the German specs of gutentight like normal. Nice video.
I lvoe that German spec, seems like a metric version of the old British version of 'FT'!
@@Moonfleet41 😂. I did find those specs. 10nm stepping up to 19nm. Might as well make use of my outrageously priced SnapOn torque wrenches lol.
Alright Del, I put a set of OEM crash bars on my Tiger 800 when I bought it about six years ago. They were redundant until a Scotland trip year before last when I threw on the floor after hitting some loose gravel in a lay by.... Bars saved my engine casing and major headache in the middle of nowhere..... I've since upgraded to a set of Heed bunker busters, they protect from the bottom of the engine upto the fuel tank... Just in case 😉
Great solution mate, specially as you've seen the benefit of them in practice.. i love a set of meaty crash bars on naked bikes..!
I'm guessing those bars were pricey being factory parts but man do they look like quality parts. Triumph should just link this install on their online install instructions. They are missing a great opportunity by not hiring you and Penny. Nm torque specs don't mean much to us yanks but I got a pretty good idea of the conversion by hearing the amount of grunt needed on the mount bolts.😁 I'd rather call them Engine Dresser Bars rather than Crash Bars. Kind of a glass half full view. Thank you both. God bless and safe travels. ❤👍👍
Sure thing Rick, those engine mount bolts are a hefty heave.. 76ft lb i think, or one and a half puffs and a grunt... right on the limit of the 3/8 drive torque wrench. Really impressed with the bars, good quality stainless steel and not coated, just media blasted for a really durable finish that will last. Take care my friend, have a great week and thank you as always for your kind and loyal support. .D&Pxx
Another one of those weird things that you buy, but hope to never actually use, hahaha. Mmm, new copper donut exhaust gasket. I find those one of the most satisfying things to install on any project, for some reason.
Thanks buddy, you're right, sensible protection if the bike's going to get ridden for fun, it's easy to make a quick drop on loose ground and they're a heavy bike! Have a great week there, thanks for your support as always.
Mighty purty, Del! There’s something extra exciting about opening a box of accessories from the manufacturer. Your video reminds me that I need to change the MIL’s exhaust gasket this weekend. Her diet of oats and hay really gives that poor exhaust system a workout!
Have a great week there!
🏍👍🏍
My word, go careful with the exhaust change, flammable residues and all that!... I recommend welding gloves and a full face mask and of course, naturally, in a well ventilated area!! Good luck... be well both and keep in touch, D&Px
@@Moonfleet41 lol yessir! I’ve actually graduated to robotics so as to keep my distance! 🥴
@@garya3056 You seem like such a nice son in law that if I had to guess, I'd say you treated your MIL to some sweet feed for the holidays, which will make your job even more of a challenge, with the moleasses residue and all. Good idea with the robotics.
@@tommylitchfield3450 Guilty as charged. 😬
Hi Delboy, I’m a big fan of your channels and walkthrough videos! I’ve got a couple projects I’m gonna be tackling myself on my Street Scrambler. Two questions:
1. Is the process and torque settings the same for the street scrambler?
2. What’s the name of the T handle to you used for the center torx screw?
I’m slowly getting new tools for the bike jobs and the long run.
Thanks for the videos man! ✌🏼
Hi mate.. this is the Torque wrench.. its quite pricey, but a beautiful, top quality precision item.. specially important for small fasteners that are easy to strip. www.spanner-monkey.co.uk/Wiha-Torque-T-Handle-ST-Plus-TorqueVario-Set-29234?search=torque%20vario&description=true
@@Moonfleet41 thank you.
Hi Del, great vid - just wish I’d seen it before I fitted mine to my 900 Street Scrambler! I couldn’t find the exhaust header torque setting anywhere though; the Triumph instructions just refer you to the workshop manual for that part of the job 🤷♂️ Ang ideas?
I have been wanting to fit my recently bought engine bars for my suzuki gs500, but with the original engine bolts having not been disturbed in twenty years, it's proving to be a bun fight.
Originally, I tried a blow lamp but now splashed out on mapgas. I'm still having problems as the bolts won't budge.
I only have WD40 and GT85
What do you suggest, Del?
One day, when my money comes through, I'm buying a triumph 😀
Best thing in the world mate is Aero Kroil, soak it with that for a few days, continually adding a little more and then with a little heat and a good purchase with the tool, you'll get them off! Good luck and have a blessed Easter, D&Px
What a fantastic build! The only problem you have now Del is you can only ride that glorious bike in the sunshine. As it would be a sin to ride in the rain 😊
That's the plan mate.. any weather, any conditions, if a bike like this isn't built for it then I don't know what is.! Thanks for your kind support !
'Dresser Bars', the American vernacular permeates into the Triumph brand, when I went to Oz in 1980 it was a gearbox, after a yr I was saying transmission or tranny, they are more US oriented than UK in Oz, nice set of crash bars, & do the job in case of misfortune, I put a set of 'Mustache ' bars on Freddie Fatboy a few months ago, I liked the look of them, & a savior in case of errant other motorists. Good on you Del, hi to Lady Penelope & all the best 👍 x
Sure thing Geoff, back in my bike trade days I saw numerous bikes after horrendous crashes, long road slides and every bike that had crash bars was preactically unscathed on the engine, and every one without, the motors were usually destroyed... engine casings pop through with the lightest of impact, often exposing the end of the crank, and writing off the entire motor, and with it the bike! Simple common sense protection... and yeah you're right, our language is evolving all the time, although I don't think I'll ever get used to saying 'tranny' lol
@@Moonfleet41 good advice Del, 👌
Good to see copper grease being used on those exhaust studs. Nice job as usual. 😁👍
Thanks mate, not entirely necessary with covered dome nuts, but why not, this bike's gonna get mighty mucky most of it's life!
Currently helping my son deal with 5 sheared off exhaust studs on his car, wish manufacturers would copper slip them……….
Thanks for the comment. I was wondering what that was
Looks like a nice bit of kit, and should keep that bike protected.
As an ex Triumph employee, I know exactly why they're called dresser bars and not crash bars, if anyone really wants to know.... Nice work Del, best to you and Penny.
Let me have a guess Ben, it's about not giving products a 'negative' title OR liability in case they don't actually protect the engine in a crash and preventing claims to argue that they should (a bit like when roll bars in open top sports cars are called 'display hoops'), is that it? Thanks for your kind words as well.
Del, yup 100% liability. It's the same for fog lamps, in the USA, they're always auxiliary lights....ps, you really need a nice triumph sign for the garage!! 😉
@@benclarke2754 Ha ha, knew it would be that.. even though they're strong enough to winch the bike off the ground with... what they don't claim they can be sued for aye..lol!
Very nice and to good to weld mesh to, aka damage 😂
Been putting mine off for months. Can't get the front and rear engine bolts out, seized in solid. Got access to oxy but scared of melting wires.
Need it done.
All the very best Del and Penny x
Start soaking the thread ends in penetrating oil every morning and night for a week, apply a little heat, and use a breaker bar.. they should break free buddy.
Awesome video brother! such a nice addition and investment on the bike. loved the way it turned out ! keep up the great work brother !!!! 1 million subscribers coming soon 🎉 stay safe guys cheers from new york !!!!!
Wow that would be nice, but somehow I think maybe a bit longer wait!... Always appreciate your wonderful support, good luck to you both on your coming journey, stay in touch, keep safe, D&Px
That bike is lush, 🤤 but thought you had a red one, them engine bars look straight forward enough to fit though 👍
Nice work Del. Very smart. Much better looking and more streamline than the SWMotech bars that were already fitted to my xe. Keep ‘em coming mate
Thanks 👍
Your videos are so helpful and well shot.
I’m about to fit these myself on the weekend along with new slash cut exhausts.
Just wondering if you can share a bit more information about your torque wrench(es).
You seem to have every bit of kit for every job, aspirational.
Hi Nick, thank you so much for your very kind words, we're glad to hear that the videos are helpful to you and best of luck fitting your new bars! We got your private message so will answer that way if that's ok! Thank you again for your support from us both.
Really like the finish on those guards!
Wondering what you put on the exhaust studs before installing the nuts?
Hi Harold, hat was just a little anti-seize compound, not entirely necessary as it has covered dome nuts, but the bike's going to get pretty dirty so just belt and braces!
Hi I wish there are similar crash bars for the Street/Speed Twin 900. Those can save you a real headache if you fall on the left hand side with the huge risk of damaging the shifter shaft mechanism which is prone to break on these Triumphs.
Great addition Del. Its these small finishing touches that make all the difference. It really looks the part now! Regards.
Thanks Shaun, 👍 i agree mate, stamping your own mark on your bike is important, even if it's just with factory accessories.
Simple to fit & best to be safe than sorry. Hope she never has to use them. Well done both of you.
Thanks buddy, hope you're enjoying your week .
Have you done a little talk about the bike yet or have I missed it? Ie why you got it, what you like, etc
Quality and well thought through kit from Triumph. Looks good Del👍
Thanks Richard 👍
If you’re a fan of the Triumph Scrambler, read Forgotten Road by Randall Arthur. The whole last half of the book highlights the Scrambler in numerous, fantastic adventures. The book is a work of fiction, but supposedly the adventures in the book are all based on Arthur’s real-life experiences. Randall Arthur is the author of the bestselling novel Wisdom Hunter. On a side note, Forgotten Road is a faith-based novel.
Thank you for the heads up, ill have a look, i love a good bike themed read. !
I have noticed you posting this on every scrambler video on youtube. I wonder if you are the author?
I thought you had a red Scrambler 1200? Was that a different bike or have you painted it?
He changed the tank but I don't think they videoed that or mentioned it
Look great on the bike, could that be the end result or is there more
Brilliant you make it look so easy. You’ve given me the confidence to tackle it myself now. Thank you.
Most welcome buddy..Glad I could help!
Very precise instructions and video footage thanks to both of you great job
Our pleasure Gerard, we're glad to hear you enjoyed the video!
I love watching the old early stuff as well as the new. Funny to see the difference and of course hindsight. You obviously had no idea how far this would go!
I love your videos! Great work as always!
THAT is a great-looking bike!
I bent a spanner to 45 degrees and it fitted great
I haven't had much time in the last few months, but I'm now watching all your videos from the last months and very interesting, you are a doctor of mechanics del, I have been following you for many years and I really like your technique and your clean work
I love mechanics just like you and I learn every day when I see your videos
Thank you for your kind words and kind support, it's much appreciated!
Aha. Thought one would have to support the engine while taking off a frame bolt...
Great timing as I’m about to fit a set to my sons Scrambler 900 for him. Do these bars provide protection for the gear shift lever? The 900 lever is rigid unlike the folding one fitted to the 1200. Unfortunately two minor zero speed lay downs on to the left side have resulted in a split selector shaft (£290) and a bent shift lever (£80).
Sadly no, these crash bars don't protect the lever, but then as you state, it is folding... just thinking, is it possible to fit a 1200 lever on the 900? I can't imagine the spline size is different, possibly worth a look? Or if it was me, and you've been done that horrific route already, I'd perhaps grind a sacrificial notch in the tow end of the lever arm, like we have on the end of a clutch lever, to make it break off where you want it to...! Perhaps a thought? You could even drill a hole through it just back from the tow peg, that would weaken it enough to work ok but snap there if the worst happens instead of doing engine damage... good luck with it mate.
@@Moonfleet41 Thanks for the reply. I’ll look in to the folding gear lever.
I had thought of creating a weak point. I also considered putting a flat washer on the shaft behind the shift lever to take up the lateral movement of the selector shaft which caused the damage when the shaft was forced in to the gearbox. I’m told by a triumph tech that this is a no no as the clearance is required for the selectors to work correctly. Seems to be a known issue but we still had to pay as it was damaged in an ‘accident’.
@@Chompwat "Seems to be a known issue" is such a common thing with design mistakes, yet they never seem to fess up and just deal with it.. Harley XR1200 plastic fuel tanks swelled up and their covers then failed to fit.. dealers either denied it or just blamed the customer for using crap fuel... that solved it for them until they discontinued the bike, problem solved..!!
Erm....did the bike change colour halfway through the paylist ? I know its a Saturday morning after a good night out ......... but ? 🤪🤭
It was a different fuel tank, that's all they paint on these bikes.
@@Moonfleet41 just thought it was maybe alcohol blindness 😵💫🤭
@@nickvinten7803 😂
Excellent job Del, looks the business mate. job well done. Cheers
Thanks mate 👍, glad you enjoyed it!
Looks nice!
Nice job,dell,look great, was that copper slip ,on exhaust flange nuts, regards Mike, Derbyshire
Hi Mike, yes a little anti seize just to keep them supple, not entirely critical with domed nuts, but why not, it can;t hurt to keep them free !
Super how to video 📹...great filming too 👍
Thank you very much!
Belly pan, crash bars, are you doing the Dakar rally ? :) Great job though, very neat.
Hi Tony. Seeing the pot holes, slurry and road debris around here.. i recon the bike thinks it probably is..lol!
@@Moonfleet41 :)
Best video I found about this installation, thanks a lot.
Most welcome, glad it helped!
Hi Del, what year is your scrambler? Mine has black spacers in between frame and engine already from the factory but not sure when they changed this detail.
Hi Danny, mine's a 22MY... hope that helps!
@@Moonfleet41 thanks for that Del, yep mines a 2019 so must be just earlier bikes that don’t need the spacer.
The part numbers for the dresser bars changed, the older set (--55) does not come with spacers and longer bolts, it's supposed to use the existing bolts. The newer set (-119) comes with the long bolts plus spacers. I've got a newer bike, and an older used set of bars. I'm trying to figure out if I can use them...
Aw shucks, Penny should'ah dun this one . . .
'She's a camera girl & she's OK, she sleeps all night & works all day,
puts on womens' clothing, & hangs the bike with bars . . whoa!'
(All copyright claims, on kippered velum, by last Thursday please : )xx
Enough of the lumberjack references just like I told my dear Papa lol x
Hi there is possible to put this and an upper engine bar all together , so 2 on each side , have seen that on another 1200 XE
Looks like you and Penny are planning a "scrambler" themed trip together this spring Del! Was interesting to see that the engine mount bolt was a fractional/SAE bit rather than a metric size. Go figure!
Wow, it'd be nice to have the time for a road trip and there's no better bike to do it on! Just need to press 'pause' on the world first!! Take care mate, and thanks for watching.
A post-Brexit clamp-down? (sorry)
How do Triumph only manage to get 90hp out of a 1200cc. I'd be making this bike lighter not heavier
Didn't catch the exhaust video then?, i took almost 5 1/2 Kilos OFF the bike, Also BHP is meaningless mate, it's a Twin, they're all about Torque, 110Nm, same as an MT-10 and it does it at less than half the revs... Ill take low down grunt over fizzy revs any day mate !
110 !!! I read 82 on the specs. I like low down grunt. I ride a single producing close to the same hp as that Triumph at half the capacity. I know its horses for courses but why can BMW produce a 1250 producing 136hp on a twin, all be it a flat twin. Maybe I've got my maths wrong or possibly my comprehension of torque vs hp is confused. Suppose its what you like and how you ride. Can't wait for the road test though
@@richswain6996 Yes, because BHP is a factor of torque X RPM. If you could rev the bike to 10K it would probably make 135HP without any other mods.
They look really cool Del & what great camera work. Top video & editing. Is this your daily ride Del?
Hi mate, yes indeed amazing quality bars and stainless steel as well so no corrosion even if they get scuffed! Thanks for your kind words on the editing, it's over half the workload!
Am I having a stroke? Where did the USD front end come from? I can't see a video for it?
This is the 1200 Scrambler buddy.
@@Moonfleet41 Ahh yes... Now I get it. Was starting to worry about myself there!
Del, them bars is sexy as boots on a rooster! (No, I don't know what that means, exactly, either, but that was the favorite saying of an old hand that worked with my brother, years ago, and I am easily amused!) I really like the bolts with the Torx inside and the 12 point on the outside of the head. That kind of touch to an otherwise ordinary, forgettable piece separates the fine bikes from the rest. I also like Triumph's idea of putting the rubber sleave on the joint of the two sides, and made a handsome point of visual interest from what could have been unsightly if just bolted together with two flat plates butted together.
Sure thing Tommy, it;s the little touches that define a quality brand aye. ! Thanks for the saying mate, i think ill be using that myself tomorrow..lol!
Just helped me fit mine. Great video and much appreciated
No problem 👍
Can I pick your brains on this. First ride after the install and I have a vibration at 70mph. Bike is new with only 300 miles. I’ll check the bolts are all torques correctly but is this normal?
@@wiseguyrob2005No mate, it's not normal to have vibration, you have removed engine mount bolts in order to fit them so it's critical they should be re-installed correctly and torqued up etc., which you say you've done... so without seeing the bike, it's difficult to know what might be up, just double check every fastener is present and correct and that everything's installed correctly... And as you only have 300 miles on the bike, perhaps bring up the issue when you take it for 1st service!
Great Advice mate and thought it shouldn’t. I did a quick spanner check and all fasteners are solid and torqued correctly. Chain is a tad loosy goosy mind. Just booked in and mentioned to the dealer. Thanks for the reply by the way, always enjoyed your videos and content.
Great stuff
Cracking set of,crash bars,yer I’m old😢
Spiffy engine guards finished up really nice. Enjoyed the video and the thought for today, cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it mate, thanks for watching!
Nice 'engine guards' 😁👍
😁
I'm in America. How do you get parts in this country? Lol
Tried your nearest Triumph main dealer ?
Goood job
Hiya Penny and Del... great video! Well explained, well paced, excellent results. Thanks for sharing - take care, be well, ride safe!
Thank you for your kind words as always mate 👍
I've just done the valve clearances on my Cbf1000. Anyone who thinks Honda's never need doing is wrong, I had to pop the camshafts out. Oddly enough it wasn't that hard, just fiddly and time consuming.
Great Video a nice addition to the bike great job Del 💯👏👌👍
Thank you mate!
Wait, do the badge "1200 HP" make that power increase?
Nice simple little mod there Del
Nick Australia
bloody smart.
Keep doing what you do Del Fck the hater
Thank you kindly Mike, always good to hear form you.
Why do you double click the torque wrench? 🫣
I hit a roo a couple weeks ago. Sad, 🥲he was a kamikaze I think. Came outof nowhere, no time to react.
Crash bar saved engine casing 👍
Shame indeed, glad you were ok... I hear they can be heavy.