David DID NOT Kill Shaw || What REALLY Happened to Elizabeth Shaw || Alien Covenant
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- David didn't kill Elizabeth Shaw. This is what actually happened to Shaw. Special thanks to people who suggested their theories in comments.
After watching Alien Covenant many viewers had an impression that David (Michael Fassbender) killed Shaw to experiment on her. I had the same impression after seeing her body in David’s workshop and a sketch of her vivisected head. However, some details from. The Prologue Promo and Alien Covenant do not perfectly align with the idea that David killed Elizabeth to experiment with her body. Why would he make a tombstone with her name? Why would he hold her in such a high esteem as if she was his mother. All these hints suggest that the story between David and Dr Shaw is more complicated than seems.
Remember this is just a theory and if we will get any answers to what excatly happened to Shaw it would be in Alien Awakening.
First of all, because of a manufacturing error or a cognition break-down, David has adopted his own ideas about right and wrong and eventually developed emotions. For this reason, David and Doctor Shaw formed a strong emotional bond after the events in prometheus. Shaw has evident compassion for David. Despite the fact that David is an artificial person, Shaw seems to care for him and help him as if he wes a real Human being. David remarks in the voice over that no one had ever shown him such compassion - especially Mr. Weyland, or any Human for that matter. This line of dialogue hints to us that David was raised in a very cold environment. This would likely has been the cause for his sarcastic and cold attitude towards the crew of the Prometheus.
David remarks to Shaw that she has a very kind heart and seems to interact with Shaw showing equal compassion and affection once his head is re-attached.
Some people may argue that it was all done just to gain her trust. But there is not a single reason David would do it. He does not need Shaw to fly the Jaggernauts and he does not need her to understand Engineers. That’s why David’s feelings to Elizabeth are genuine.
At one point in the prologue, we see David holding up a picture he has drawn of Elizabeth. The expression on David's face is that of a young child, who's proud of a new accomplishment.
These scenes suggest that David loved Shaw as much as an android could. She was an idealized example of humanity: Compassionate, fearless and searching. She was the exception.
Having a genuine affection to Shaw, David wouldn’t kill her so let’s discuss how she actually died. When David is putting Shaw in a Croysleep, if you look closely, you can actually notice that Elizabeth is sick. Her face is sweaty and she has a blanket around her.
In fact, it’s pretty obvious that Shaw was infected by a tiny amount of the black goo when the trilobite was removed. When the trilobite ripped the uterus, amniotic fluids that probably had a tiny amount of black goo got inside Elizabeth’s body.
As discussed earlier, David loved Shaw, and since she always wanted to have a child she viewed David as her own son after recreating him again by putting him back together. In the same manner, David viewed Shaw as a mother figure, so when She got sick, David put her in a Cryo sleep to keep her alive until the arrival to the Paradise.
When he was alone agian, he studied the Engineer ways and probably discovered their evil nature that is so similar to most of the humans but not to Dr. Shaw. David has developed a protective attitude towards Shaw. The desire to revenge Elizabeth and protect her from any dangers on the Paradise planet pushes David to destroyed Engineers.
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By "I'm going to do to you what I did to her" David probably meant that he's gonna transform Daniels into an Alien Queen. Shaw became an Alien Queen when David was trying to save her. But, this time, David purposefully wants to use Daniels to create more Alien eggs. Since we cannot know for sure what happened to Shaw, the meaning of "I'm going to do to you what I did to her" is very ambiguous.
Kroft talks about Movies that's what I thought
Kroft talks about Movies I don't think he wasnt doing anything to Shaw. I think she was mutating because of the black gue. She was dying.
Kroft talks about Movies do you want to hire me to read your scripts?
Kroft talks about Movies he was attacking daniels at this point. this shows that David is crazy and killed shaw.
RatsinHeaven sorry but watch the movie again. the statement made by David was in a highly aggressive and forceful context. he killed Shaw just as he was going to kill Daniel's if Walter had not stepped in.
This is exactly right. David couldn't save Shaw so he gave her "babies" (which she always wanted) in the Form of the alternative xenomorph as he wanted her to continue to live but knew her human body was dying and couldn't be saved. That's why he's so upset when the Captain shoots the large human like xenomorph as not only is it David's creation but he emotionally connects it to Shaw who was the only human being he cared about and saw as a symbolic Mother figure.
The people David infected in Covenant weren't engineers, that was obvious to me as soon as I saw them. They were human-sized, had no technology, and didn't have the full black eyes of the engineers. That planet wasn't Paradise, but another place where the engineers created people. Who else agrees?
I would have agreed before seeing an interview with Scott where he says directly that #4 was the home planet of the Engineers. That they were Engineers.
However, that doesnt mean that the engineers on Prometheus were not another genetically modified "race" of the same species.. It's not like all humans look the same 😉
exactly
Randy Phillips than*
It's either that or the make up department did a lousy job.
For everybody who is not aware, they released the script a while back, confirming David did kill Shaw by snapping her neck just before dropping the payload onto the engineer population.
At one point David questions Walter as to why he sacrificed his arm to protect the team - Walter says it's his duty, but David days he knows better - indicating an ability for love.
Except that Walter was more advanced and the emotional responses had been toned down to avoid another David manifesting down the line. One David is bad enoufh, he committed xenocide, the elimination of a whole species. David was losing the battle with Walter, who was on top of David laying on his back. by
Such a tactical advantage with androids who are capable of superhuman speed and strength should have ended with Walter victorious and yet it's David who we learn somehow snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against a 100 year upgrade of himself. Makes sense.👀👀
In the behind the scenes collectors edition magazine, Michael fassbender informs us that David loves Shaw, David being immortal, knowing he will outlast everything around him, is saddened by this and wants to make her stay with him forever. He preserves her so she will never leave his side. Sorry if this breaks the theory but it is a fact.
Drakkonahn this was my interpretation as well, only because we see David still mourning her (possibly) years later
I don’t think it breaks the theory, as far as I can grasp it sounds like he in a dark sense had preserved her using her DNA to preserve her through a sense of Alien rebirth. Giving Shaw the ability to give birth an essential alien through her body(DNA).
@@TheMrt800 This.
that doesnt agree with the prologue script in which he snaps shaw's neck, corrects a grammar mistake she made and precedes to open up her body and do experiments on her organs and the black goo
@@shaunhumphreys6714 we're two years in the future of this thread. lol.
Want to know what REALLY happened to Dr. Shaw?
Prometheus did not make enough money, so they killed off the most interesting character, and made another Alien movie instead ...
The most interesting character and the protagonist is David.
@@cafe5to220 that's definitely not true.
@@keyboardfreedomfighter5734 Can you imagine how disappointing it would be for you to hear the same thing from your creator?
@@cafe5to220 I don't have a creator. So no, I couldn't imagine.
@@keyboardfreedomfighter5734 "parents"
If Scott says David hates humans, I believe him, but my idea was that David is more like a psycopath. He does things because he can, and he wants to see what happens.
For the best possible outcome of the story it should turn out that Shaw is still in chryo somewhere and David actually created a clone of her for his experiments. in this way he could experiment on the clones over and over until he finds a cure and finally saves the original Shaw. well I hope it turns out this way because I totally love her character and it could be the start of a whole new chapter in the story line.
Agree
No
love this theory!
This theory is gold
That is awesome thinking.
Otherwise we have a franchise that went from awesome to a space alien serial killer psychopathic movie. If this doesn't go another direction where a movie celebrates chopping up women and experimenting on them I'll leave it behind. It's bad enough I'll have to read reviews of a movie before going instead of relying on reputation. Now, after the last one that was short of a seance and very dark I'll pass on next movie.
Your scenario would somewhat redeem this. Where what we saw was a "diseased" Shaw and he attempted to somehow slow the progress of said alien infection and NOT be an experiment.
David being a "tragic villain" who kills off the Engineers out of revenge for condemning his "mother" and who decides to keep Elizabeth alive by creating "incestuous" children out of her eggs and his own experiments, in a kind of "Oedipus Complex", to make "perfect beings" would've been deep and brilliant. Psychologically speaking, that would mean that David killed his "Grandfather" (the Engineers) to have "sex" with his "mother" (Elizabeth) and their "children" (Xenomorphs) go on to kill David's "father" (Mankind)... I wonder what Freud would say about that.
Too bad they went for the generic "evil android" instead.
A vastly under-rated comment.
Wow...
fraud should have analyzed himelf, realizing he kept on thinking everyone wanted to bang thier mom, it was actually himself projecting
this "comment" is "gay"
"A child shunned by their village will burn it down to feel its warmth"
Explains David's hatred of humans.
Where the he'll did he say that?
@@Jeffrey314159 The video didn't, It's a famous quote.
David's face when his creator said, "David has no soul".
How can something which can't feel love for something can feel hate for something, isn't it ridiculous
@@sssrrr1988 ask your mom, she's lived with it for decades.
This video is completely off the mark. While David did appreciate Shaw's kindness, he still killed her. He only revered her because she was the "mother" of his xenomorph creations. We don't even know if he killed her immediately. It's likely that he didn't, and instead held her captive while he used her to force her to give birth to alien offspring over and over until he was finally done with her or until she finally couldn't survive it any longer. If you look at all of the displays in his workshop, there are tons of bipedal baby xenomorphs. Where do you think they came from? They certainly didn't come from experimenting on engineers, as the engineers were all killed in the initial attack by David.
He may have used wild life at some point, but doubtful he did that initially, considering that the spread of the black goo would have quickly created infected wildlife that would have spawned aliens and went on a rampage through the planet, killing all wildlife eventually. As we see in the movie, there are no birds or wildlife of any kind, they note how quiet the forest is, and far far from the city there are black-goo "mushrooms" that infect people, so it's safe to infer that by the time they arrived on the planet to find David, all of the wild life had long since been killed off by a rampage of alien spawn, who eventually died of starvation themselves because they exhausted the food supply.
Let's keep in mind that David was on that planet for 10 years, which was enough time for the black goo to wipe out the entire planets wildlife AND for the resulting aliens to die off from starvation and decay. He could have been experimenting on Shaw for multiple years before she actually died. In David's experiments, we see that the first effect of the black goo was it created these giant stinging bugs that would infect other wildlife. David devised a way to implant an infection in Shaw, without actually causing a chest buster, just like the first time she was infected through secondary infection by having sex. So what David essentially did, was "impregnate" her over and over, and cutting it out of her, sewing her back up, experimenting on it, crossing it with other stuff, then re-impregnating her again. It's actually pretty gruesome to think what depraved stuff David likely did to her for a LONG time. We also see that she was quite well preserved, indicating that she certainly hadn't been dead for 10 years. She may have died months before the other ship arrived. Notice how David no longer had any creations to tinker with? That just further backs things up. The black goo infection had run its course through the planet, and with Shaw dead, he could no longer conduct anymore experiments. And the face hugger eggs, those are supposed to be mutations of Shaw's eggs. That's exactly why face huggers have the appearance they do, that of a human hand, with the part that deposits an egg into a host, looking like a human vagina. This was because of the experiments that David did on Shaw, and the culmination of his work.
Originally, the black goo isn't meant to operate the way David uses it. It's meant to wipe out a population and allow a planet to be reclaimed. This means creating an infection that will spread, spawn creatures that will wipe people out, then those spawn dying of starvation.....BUT the black goo also has the characteristic of mutating as long as there is still "meat" to go after. It effectively ramps up its tactics the longer it exists, which would make sense, because if you're trying to wipe out the population of a planet and they happen to persist longer by avoiding infection and hiding or fighting off creatures it spawns, you would want that infection to change tactics, to mutate, etc....until it finally wipes the planet clean. The intent of the black goo is that eventually it will wipe out a planet and there won't be anything left for the black goo to persist, meaning by the time the engineers show up to reclaim a planet, there won't be any risk to themselves and they can start the seeding life process over again. But David used it as a catalyst to selectively 'breed' for features.
That may also be the main reason why they wanted to wipe earth out. They knew that if we didn't follow the path they set for us to become successfully seeded, that we were on the cusp of enough advancement to create advanced technology soon and potentially be a threat. And what did our advanced technology eventually do? It created a robot that wiped out an engineer world, who wasn't susceptible to the black goo, and was ignored entirely by the creatures it spawned, because it was designed to alter DNA and go after the "meat". As long as David didn't provoke the aliens, he had nothing to fear from them, as we see in the scene where he was actually interacting with one and trying to gain its trust. It wasn't attacking him, because it didn't sense that he was alive.
And the goo actually required physical contact, and was nano-tech based, so if we became advanced enough quick enough, the goo could have lost its effectiveness against us. The goo for example, can't enter a sealed space suit. So if humans had persisted and created air tight habitats, it's possible that there could have been survivors if it did hit earth while earth was in an advanced state, which is why the engineers had to act while humanity was still only in the early stages of civilization. In a few hundred years from now, humans could definitely be advanced enough to have an extensive understanding of nano tech and all kinds of technology to thwart the black goo or at least to survive it. Humans could live in underground bunkers as the goo ravages the wildlife, then eventually re-emerge to the surface....or even leave the planet entirely. The point is, the goo wouldn't necessarily be 100% effective against an advanced civilization. We already have enough advanced technology and weapons right now that we could seek shelter and fight off or wait out anything the goo spawned, even if most of us are wiped out, humanity still has a chance to survive it and rebuild.
Mind blown! I really enjoyed reading this!!
Very insightful and we'll explained. Thank you.
Wow! I still feel strongly about shaw's death happening because she was infected but I must applauded you for such a vivid and intricate explination. It also makes sense. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I'm sorry to have to do this to you bro, But...David snaps Shaw's neck before any of his experiments on Paradise begins.....For what it's worth, Aliens as a whole is a fictional story and therefore everybody a right to believe in whatever they choose to believe...Especially when no clear ending or understanding is set in place...It's pretty much left up to the viewer's and the fan's own imagination at this point
@@shaneknowles7632 Not really. There's hints and clues in the movie, which I point out. There's also deleted scenes that explain it. In fact, this same channels covers it a few months after posting this video. ruclips.net/video/bysr-mkOcI4/видео.html
You should honestly make a video, and use your comment as a script.. I’ll even offer my services to edit the clips in needed.
This theory actually makes more sense than the theory of David both loving Shaw while killing her to experiment on her.
Yes true but if you listen to whats being said she was infected, its a theory both she and David agreed that when she finally sees or meet her makers he was to kill her. The quick snapping of the neck is often seen as an act of painless compassion as apposed to be shot or brutally murdered.
Very interesting ... I thought earlier that David killed her because he fell into a kind of “God” syndrome, when the creator must be completely alone in order to create new things without holding on to the old, as people and engineers did. On the other hand, if David really fell in love with Elizabeth and knew that she was going to die, then he first took revenge on the engineers, and then apparently showed her that they were already dead before their arrival and killed her according to their agreement to create in the end something more.
@@the_first_Transhuman
I'd say he did care for her, and the snapping of the neck was a kind of act of mercy from him. They talked about meeting ones creator and how he was not happy with what he saw ect... He knows the pain and hatred towards his creators for being not what he expected. Thats why I think he asks her is it what you hoped for, and she says it's more then what she hoped for. Then he proceeded to say it's good to see you cry. I think him saying this was do to her finally showing signs of happiness and joy. He knew she was sick and would not last long so he took her life in the most painless way he knew how at the happiest moment of her life. He did this so she wouldn't die with the hate and pain for her creators. He then proceeds to use her body which is infected to perfect his creation. This could be why he showed such affection for the xenomorph he made as well as the face huggers he has. It's kinda like his and shaws children.
He is a robot.
I personally believe that no matter what, David wants to eradicate any in every species related to humans.. He revered Shaw, he respected her somewhat but at the end of the day she was still a human and any and everything that he said or did was to gain her trust.. If he would have been forced to encounter the engineers or any other types of peoples on any other planets, He would have done the exact same thing with him. He would have gained their trust only to gain all of the knowledge he possibly could and then he would have immediately turned on them also.
This doesnt make sense when you hear the lines "What did you do to Shaw?" "Exactly what I'm going to do to you."
Yep, and and if David really had such good 'intentions', the closing scene of Shaw screaming inside the cryo pod wasn't exactly 'reassuring'. "Don't let the bedbugs bite...!"
@@LowenKM shaw? you mean daniels.
Cool. WHY DIDNT THEY PUT IT IN THE FUCKING MOVIE THEN???
just say the alien are made of Shaw'$ image in rememberance of her by making egg aliens.. since why does he bothered so much to make one if the black goo could accomplish the same Alien "thing"
NANCY kills you Haha indeed. I think it's so Scott can stretch things out over a trilogy of course :-)
it's more like so FOX could sell their blu ray. This is the thing that made me so frustrated with Ridley Scott: he could have put the "last supper" to introduce the crew and "prologue" to bridge Prometheus and covenant in the final cut But not including them makes bad story telling and that seems to be what Ridley is going for😧😧😧
NANCY kills you lmao right
cuz its a secret for the sequel
I thought it was confirmed that David snapped her neck after he showed her the engineer planet. Or one of their planets.
It was, but this video was from three years ago before the info came out
David, despite being a synthetic, has clearly gone insane/malfunctioned. He killed her despite everything.
Despite everything. David didn’t owe her a thing 🤷🏻♀️
@@mademoiselle.n0ir Well obviously not if you're an unfeeling synthetic. He did ask for and use blackmail logic to save his own synthetic existence. You save me, I'll save you. Then murders her? He doesn't owe her anything. It's a mutual convenience. But then murder? I don't owe you anything, but I reckon it would be frowned upon if I turned up at your door and murdered you!?
In the script he snaps her neck, and then corrects a grammatical error she made during one of their conversations. Pretty much what you'd expect from damned cyborg.
A damned cyborg*
Found the cyborg..
@@Kennypowers51
Stay away from my kids, damn cyborg.
Knock my leg on the damn cyboard?
David is not a cyborg though.
David killed Shaw because of one thing David said in Alien Covenant, that he was going to do what he did with Shaw to our Protagonist in the Library which was basically use her body as test object. He even said it in a mocking fashion. Which was really creepy and scary. He might have felt something for Shaw but his programming override that in my opinion. He can separate feelings and his objectives clearly. Unlike us humans.
You're literally taking what David said. Shaw may have died in the hyper sleep chamber and maybe David didn't get there in time to save her.
David is basically thinking illogical at this point since he was defective. I just don't see Shaw being sick at all because it would have been known by the time before she went in cryo. It would have taken awhile for Shaw to put David together and we know that the black goo really is has a very effect even if it was diluted.
I would say it would have taken Shaw weeks to even months to repair David properly. Enough time to see any problems or alien busting out of her.
santiago javier Shaw already gave birth to a alien in Prometheus, however there is no telling the long term effects that goo had being part of her systems before she went to sleep she looked far from healthy, and that pod was originally made for engineers the trip may have taken much longer or she may have passed away midsleep and David decided to use her body to be the "Mother" of the new species, after repairing David it would be nothing from him to strangle her he wouldn't put her to sleep than murder her for no reason
santiago javier yeah. and he said exactly, "I loved her of course...in my own way."
santiago javier You are 100 % correct!!!!
It's a reference to the earlier scene that showed the engineer sacrificing his life to create a new species on another world. This is what David does with Shaw - he sacrifices her life to create the new xenomorph species. So yeah, I think he DID kill her in order to accomplish that.
It explains why the juvenile xenomorphs were so receptive to david.
It was David that said once..."Don't we all want out parents dead?" I knew he had rogue algorithms after that.
yeah, also after being alone for 10 years on the Paradise he went completely insane
I believe David was referring to his human sister that wanted their dad dead so that she could take over the business..David obviously was liked more than her anyway.
@@just__jess2 lmao
@@drsatyamupadhyay There’s another video on this channel explaining just that and I was right. 😉
David killed her. this is from the novel:
“Elizabeth Shaw didn’t die in the crash,” she said flatly. “No.” There was a tinge of reminiscence in his voice. Reminiscence, but not regret. “We had been through a great deal together. As a consequence, I held her in the utmost respect. But eventually that was lost to time and necessity. I kept her alive for quite a while. I like to think that was another testament to my creativity, although she might have disagreed. She was my most beautiful subject."
Oh wow! they killed her in the Novel!! This shouldn't happened like this on the main Cinema! screen! this has pissed a lot of people off!
I'm sorry, there's a novel? Since when?
Um since the movie came out. Alan Dean Foster wrote it. You can find a audiobook version here on youtube. Alan Dean Foster wrote the novels for the first 3 Alien films as well.
Well it's on the Blu Ray. You see him carve Shaw up and uses her eggs with the good and tissue from her hands to create the egg and facehugger. The video David's Lab is on youtube.
Yes i totally agree with this. Seeing the extended David's Lab scene puts a new light on this (the video was probably not out when this video was made). He clearly experimented on Shaw for extensive periods of time. The fact that he kept her alive through all that ordeal is even more terrifying and shows how cold David really is. Even though he respected her as an individual that didn;t stop him from using her as a test subject in his genetic experiment. She was simply too valuable a "meat" to waste. Besides, if she was infected by the T-virus... ermmm... i mean the goo, it was only a matter of time before she would become dead meat. He had to act fast..
Interesting analysis. But you're forgetting the fact that David killed the other android who was essentially his brother. That and many other behaviors suggest David has become a psychopath due to his "father" being such a cold controlling and demeaning figure as demonstrated in the beginning of the movie, as well as the physical trauma of having his head ripped off by the engineer.
Your theory crafting and vids on the alie franchise has really encouraged my interest in the Alien lore and I find myself wanting to find out more especially in the time between prometheus and covenant. The final installment has a lot of story and exposition on its shoulders. I hope it will conclude an interesting trilogy.
David is an android with no morale compass, he was designed to be a free thinker and creative. After his original objective of finding his creator or "father" weyland immorality failed. He was let loose to his own devices of finding himself purpose, a person with unlimited knowledge and intelligence and a sort of underdog/god complex
Sarah Roberts exactly , free thinker, free to think of Shaw as a mother, but honestly david has no morale , he did kill her
I actually love and accept this theory. It makes perfect sense to me & also lines up with David's ideologies & perceptions. Excellent job, mate.
Kroft: David did not kill shaw
Narrator: he did.
Reminds me much of how a serial killer has some sort of reverance and respect for their mother, but kills her nonetheless
My theory is similar to yours.David loved Shaw. My theory is: David killed the engineers for some reasons, but didn't killed Shaw, He crashed the ship on the mountain and made her believe the black goo was released by accident, (he still have his own agenda, but at first, he didn't want Shaw to be part of it) So this is the situation. Shaw get stocked on that planet with a crazy android being in love with her. She send a message (The Take Me Home song) in the hope somebody recieving this message. After a verbal fight with Davis, She decide to take a walk in the woods. She get infected by the pollen and get pregnant of a neomorph. After, she beg David to kill her. (The famous ''Kill Me!'' line) By compassion, he accept, so he choke her to death, and the moment she died, he kissed her.He knew she wanted a child, so he opened her and take the neomorph, this the point he begin the experiments.He decide to improve the deseing, using Shaw's body to create new versions on the neomorph, leading to the creations of the xenomorph eggs.He's the father, She's the mother.The rest is history.
I love your theory. I just don't want to think David killed Elizabeth, let it be as you think. Thank you!
I LIKE THIS THEORY!
In the novel David goes into detail about how he did love her but his need to experiment on her overrode that. He kept her alive and experimented on her. Basically tortured her by experimenting on her. It's horrible and she did die by his hand. It's not something I wanted to have happen in the movie and it really disappointed me...
Outch!Did you know, sometime, novels aren't always canon. Sometime, sommes ideas came from the writer's imagination, Sometime, it can also come from early versions of the script, and been ignored in the sequel or prequel movies. In ''The Return of the Jedi'' novelisation, the scene when Luke talk to Obiwan's ghost, Obiwan tell more about what's happened with Anakin and the conditions Luke and Leia's birth, and it doesn't match at all what really happens in Episode III. 2001: A Space Odyssey book and movie are two different things. In Alien, the novelisation made by Alan Dean Foster, there a lots of difference with the movie, Exemple, The Nostromo is a gas tanker, there is no space jockey and the xeno blown in the 0 pressure of space. Those are just few examples.Of course, I can be wrong. In all my life, all theories I've made about upcoming movies were wrong. Seriously. For this kind of things, my 6th sense sucks. Lol.
hellkey002 Yes
Just found this. Love it. Makes SO much more sense than anything I've heard or read.
Thanks Kroft! You rock!
why does he have a tombstone for her but keeps her disected body in his lab?
Alien Covenant Hurts People's Brains
U expecting so much from in learning process cyborg.
@@beefboylatestestorona3963 Maybe David cloned her & the tombstone is just one of the many Shaw clones.
Its symbolic. Like a memorial after somebody is cremated
@@MediaSock genius!
Plothole bigtime!
It wasn't an impression. David admitted that he killed her, and he told Daniels that he was going to do to her what he had done to Shaw.
Thomas Duncan though he doesn't try to kill Daniels after he says that, he molests her.
Moody Blues I know. That whole scene was bizarre.
I think he probably did kill Shaw to be fair (he says to create, you must destroy) and that he would have killed Daniels after assaulting her, much like he stabbed Walter in the neck with a flute after kissing him.
David never says he killed Shaw
You are correct. I actually went back and rewatched the scene. He does not actually say, "I killed her," but it is heavily implied that she died because of something he did. David confirms that Shaw did not die in the crash and that he was going to do to Daniels what he had done to her. I can only guess that he experimented on her, or did something that brought about her demise. Part of me wonders if he was going to regurgitate one of those embryos into Daniels' mouth. Who knows? Either way, Shaw did not have a pleasant end, and it was likely the result of something David did. I guess we'll find out if there's ever a sequel. Sadly, I feel that Alien Covenant left us all with a lot of unanswered questions.
This is my favorite theory from covenant. What a messed up way of "keeping shaw alive" neomorphs are her children.
I really like this theory better than what we got. David trying to honor Shaw instead just revenge motivating him is just cool.
Have you considered the concept of shaws nightmares? David is able to gain special insight to a humans psyche through dream reading so maybe he attached some special importance to shaws nightmares given her experiences. This may have given him a twisted sort of permission to act out his experiments reading a subconscious nightmare as a sort of desire instead. He is an expert at reading human expression in an ambiguous fashion. Dreams are a very important part of the alien universe especially in the alan dean foster novels.
Nope Ridley confirmed he killed her. in a deleted scene, Elizabeth cry’s when seeing the new world and “engineers”in it. David says it’s nice to see your cry then snaps her neck....
really? there is a scene where they arrive on the engineer planet together? lol
@@omgsolikevalleygirl it's n the written script that was edited out of the final cut
@@melodyzahradnick4440 :D this movie hurts everyone's brain so badly... nothing makes any sense
That was an unused script line only - - not a deleted scene
Never confirmed. That scene was never filmed and it’s content never used because it contradicts the direction the sequel took. Therefore it isn’t canon. David had to keep Shaw alive for years for his experiments on her to be successful.
he admitted to walter that he killed shaw though, didnt he?
'Big things have small beginnings' is that one line everyone forgot but it is confirming that David was evil all along.
That interpretation really helps bring the loose threads of the story together for me. It definitely rounds out David’s character more and makes sense of his emotional evolution, rather than devolution.
The whole Alien covenant was just a dream dreamt by Shaw while she was in her cryosleep...
They all then lived happily ever after. The end.
4 crying fuckin' out loud!!!! Let the body of Shaw we saw in the movie be that of a clone & let the real one roam the stars somewhere!
I agree, I was wanting to see that version of Shaw and David.
Eros Blake Yeah that's the kind of sequel to prometeus I wanted to see. So much potential gone. Killing and experimenting on her body is such a big let down. Also killing the creators just like that.
It's not wastes or ruined
It's just not what you wanted
David is a sick fuck and did terrible things to Shaw's organs
That is what happened and it is believable.
We all wanted more for Shaw but in the end David did what he did and that's the story
When you look at what could have been and what is....
It highlights just how broken David is
David is a Jew.
David love her and try to have a “children”. Shaw is a mother of new life form and David is a father.
he only loved her because he could play with her body
What a beautiful and worthy train of thoughts. Listening to your thesis was like satisfyingly watching a sequel. So, Thank you, no matter whether you’re right or wrong.
One big possibility come to minds, and I said this months before the movie was released when it was already clear that Shaw wouldn't be in the movie but only David. Something happened to Shaw in cryo sleep!
Then I saw "The Crossing" prelude, and how David dumped the payload of canisters onto the planet. I then became even more sure of it, seeing David's affection for Shaw, and how they forged a bond during the trip. David probably came back to Shaw's cryo chamber when it was time to wake up, opened it, and found something horrible. At first I thought Shaw had turned into the Neomorph.
David then saw her as lost, and unable to deal with such a strong emotion as grief and loss, he went insane and decided to rain doom over the Engineers, whom he saw as Shaw's killers. As he dumps the canisters, his facial expression is of determination, and despair.
(Then I saw the movie, and noticed that Shaw INDEED had mutated into... something!)
After wiping out the city, David either used mutated Shaw as his lab rat, killing her in the process.
When he tells Daniels "... the same thing I'm going to do to you...", he means using her reproductive system to create more Ovomorphs (eggs) - at this point having nothing but contempt for all organic lifeforms. This contempt is why he seeks to produce the perfect hybrid between organic and mechanical, and he is already half way there by studying Engineer technology, which essentially is all about blending flesh and technology on a molecular level.
I keep hoping that there is more to Shaw's demise than just being a lab rat. It would be lame.
What I'm waiting to see in Alien Awakening, is more flashbacks of Shaw. She might have still been sentient, and become evil herself from being a product of the Black Ooze with the added bonus of still being able to talk and reason. She might have filled David's head with all kinds of crazy things. Maybe it's Shaw herself that instructed David to kill all the Engineers, and use her body in his experiments?
@My2cents I agree with u r last line.Dr.shaw sacrificed her self to save humanity.. Sent David to eliminate Engineers from space/universe. Agreeable idea..!!
No
Except David literally said he killed and dissected her and was going to do it to others. And well that line he said to create something has to be destroyed.
Nailed it! Tragic element that many would miss. Great use of the shots to nail this point in as well. I really do like what Ridley is doing with these films.. When he said in a interview that he respected what George Lucas did with Star War and said that’s what needs to happen with Alien.. It needs to be like ‘proceeds to stretch his arms out as wide as possible’ that’s what we’re going to do. That answer alone means he wants to universe build, wants to give us a massive playground.. Making it way more than simply Alien attacks humans, humans dies.. And tieing it into Blade Runner as well.. This is Scott’s Star Wars.. He is the English George Lucas.. Scott has an amazing ability to make you curl up inside when he does body horror.. There are many moments where it’s like settling the mood, and instead flips and goes extream. Very effective in both Prometheus and Covenant.. Different flavours of it as well. I do hope the allow him to do that other prequel trilogy of his. I do want more.. I have no desire to see the series rebooted.. What would be the point in that? This universe has been created.. Like Star Wars you must tell stories within it.. By all means grow it.. As Ridley has been doing. It must remain within this series.. It must.. It will lose people if they think the 9 years we’ve all put in to following Ridley’s films expanding this universe can be ignored and ‘rebooted’.. No you don’t reboot a classic. And you most certainly don’t do it to the creator and directors expanded works. Don’t ruin this series now you’ve just had the creator of it give you what will be 3 more films to work with.. I would hate to see this series go the way Star Wars has under Disney... I’m already worried.. As they just bought 20th Century Pictures.. Are talking reboots after Awakening.. Uhh.. I really have lost interest in everything Disney touch.. Please god doing ruin this series Disney.
This is the most likable theory about David and Shaw (for me).
And after she died he did go insane bc of his loss (and by keeping her body and dissecting it) - showing it during the convo btw him and Walter about the sacrifice of his (Walter) hand for Daniels; and the devastation about the death of his created 'son' (with Shaw) etc...
"I'm going to do to you what I did to her"
That's what I immediately thought about.
it is obvious david want human go extint he admires when david put 2 alien embryos in drawer one of is alien queen he is gonna put inside daniels and tennessee
I actually like the more positive/somber spin to this theory over... David's attempt to bring Shaw back in some form, if only through her "children." Gives a more nuance meaning in regards to his loving gaze towards the xenomorph in the movie and to a lesser extent the neomorph.
I wonder how the Alien queen fits into this theory.
Great video and theory. My love of the Alien franchise goes beyond insane, and I love discussing fan theories and facts of the films. Thanks again.
Ridley Scott is a genius, l agree David should be the main character, and will be in awakenings!!! Fassbender stole the show.
If he is im not watching IT, why go aliens them we know them allready, give us enginers
He mentions Alien Awakening in this 3 year old Video. Any infos on that movie till today or did it got cancelled?
"Genius"? This David character is demented.
I love backstory, David and engineers more than brutal killings of Aliens with no plot behind...
He was and he is but not the boss of FOX and Fox himself. Scott had a vision but these baboons wanted an alien movie. Everything concern of Shaw was cut. Even a 12 minute scene at the start of Covenant. Scott had no devotion to such a stupid theme and gave the direction of the movie to people less clever than him. Btw the danger of AI is not something new to cinema, if they want to prove something. With Shaw gone and again the stupid aliens there is no good new things to come.
Okay, this is going to be a long one. First, I stand by what I said in the comments of your last video, don't take people disagreeing with you personally. Keep doing your thing. With that being said here are my thoughts on this video.
You said something like "due to a manufacturing error or breakdown David formed his own ideas". I don't think this is an error at all. David was specifically created to be Peter Weyland's 'Son'. He was built to be unique, even among similar models like Walter. David was built to serve Peter Weyland first and foremost, after his death it's hard to say for sure what David's next priority is. Evidence from the end of Covenant and the movies novelization suggests David may still be operating in the interest of Weyland/Yutani research. In the Novel David sends a coded message to the nearest Weyland/Yutani ship/settlement sending information back to Earth as himself, not Walters code.
Next you suggest David has human-like feelings for Shaw. Given what we know of his actions it is just as likely that David's actions towards Shaw are meant to manipulate her as it would be for him to actually care for her. With the information we've be given so far its impossible to know for sure if David felt anything or if he had anticipated what he might be able to use Shaw for at a later time and acted accordingly. Until Scott says we can't know this for sure.
Your next comments concerned how David was "raised" in a cold and uncaring environment. David was not raised per se, David was programmed. He was programmed to be Peter Weyland's son and caretaker. As was revealed in the Prometheus promotional videos David tells the camera that he was specifically designed to be capable of doing things that humans would find uncomfortable, immoral, or distasteful. Beyond this he was also the product of Peter Weyland's actions and philosophy. David was commanded to perform actions that would benefit Peter Weyland at the expense of other human lives. In a way David was built to be a sociopath.
You said that "it's obvious Shaw was sick". I do not agree with this statement. She might have been, she might not have been. It's certainly not "Obvious". I did not see the sweat or sickness that you see, it's just as likely that the climate in the Engineer's ship was cold and clammy by Human standards. The Engineers are much larger and all seem to be wearing their biomechanical-looking bodysuits. The ship's environment wasn't designed for human comfort.
Next we get to the part where you claim Shaw viewed David as her Son, and he viewed her as his Mother. This is HIGHLY speculative with no way for us to know this at all. This is an area where it seems like you are projecting your own ideas onto these two characters without concrete evidence. All the things that David can be heard saying in the 'Crossings' promotional video as well as the story he tells the Covenant crew at first is later revealed to be lies, half-truths, and manipulations. You're throwing darts at the wall and seeing where they stick on this subject.
Next you say that David may have infected Shaw with the Black Goo. Although we don't know this for sure I'm going to agree on this one. It does seem very likely David purposely infected Shaw at some point. It's possible he infected her with the black goo before she died, and it's equally possible he infected her dead body later to perform his experiments. We have to wait for Alien Awakening for this answer.
You also mention that you think David had found many trilobites in Shaw's body as they are seen in his laboratory later. There is no evidence that those protomorphs and/or trilobites are from Shaw's body. It's equally possible that those specimens may have been taken from Engineers that were not infected and destroyed upon David's arrival, but he found later. He was on the planet for 10 years and it's very likely that there were other Engineer's in other places on the planet that would be infected later. We can't know this either way with what we've been given so far.
I fully agree with you when you said that David used Shaw's body to create the Ovomorph face huggers. They are called "ovomorphs" after all and given the condition of Shaw's body in David's lab the most likely scenario is that David used the fallopian eggs found inside Shaw's reproductive organs along with the black goo to create those large face hugger ovomorph eggs.
Lastly, I have to talk about your suggestion that David may have been attempting to bring Shaw back from the dead, resurrecting her. There is nothing that I have seen in any of the Alien franchise movies to suggest that any dead body of any creature could ever be brought back after death. Organs and tissues can probably be mutated as with the ovomorph, but no living creature that has died has ever returned from the dead and there is no reason to believe this was ever a possibility or that David would think he could do such a thing. David is highly experienced in terms of death and in terms of scientific manipulation.. but there is no evidence David has any kind of Frankenstein resurrection goals at any point in the series.
Remember not to take anything too personally. We're just throwing ideas back and forth. These are my observations and maybe all of us together will figure a few of these things out. At very least it's fun to think and talk about Ridley Scott's dark movie world.
Logic Makes Sense those werent suits..those were a different type of engineer
Yep, I'm going with your observations, David is a droid a cross between the one in Alien, Aliens and lets not forget the female droid in Alien 3! The one in Alien was closer in mindset to David than Cole in Alien 3, remember him trying to kill Ripley! Put in prospective, David detest human and viewed himself as superior. Shaw was nothing more to him than company, and when she died or whatever he reverted to type! Sorry had a brain freeze and can't recall all the names, happens when you get to be my age. ugh humans and their frailties.....hehehe
But in Prometheus Holloway comes back to life after being burned to death.
i think Yutani assumed control of The Company and David the moment they knew Peter was dead.
I think you may be mistaking Holloway with Fifield. After Vickers torches Holloway that's the last we see of him. The creepy zombie-looking thing that shows up outside of the ship and attacks and kills several Prometheus crew members was Fifield.
I think whether David killed her or not is mostly open for debate just because Ridley Scott seems to be making this shit up as he goes along and changes big parts on a whim. The story could have been as described in this video but that wont stop him from changing it in Alien: Awakening if he thinks of some other direction for the hell of it.
I never thought of this, I think this is brilliant - thank you!! 🖤💚
I think David has something to do with Shaws death, after all Daniels asks David "What did you do to Shaw?" and David replies "Exactly what i'm going to do to you." To me that's a slight admission of him having a hand in Shaws death. Great videos by the way Kroft. The new Alien prequels are brilliant stories, i think they are lost on a lot of folk but if one has a mind to get mentaly invested in the movies then their really good.
They had some kind of relationship going. Then Shaw got creeped out and tried to escape in a the derelict ship. Hence the country roads take me home signal being sent out. David wouldn't let her leave and the ship crashed. Shaw was badly injured so David tried to help her with surgery which turned into experimentation.
Good theory. However I think given Shaws nature she would have been outraged at what David had done on the planet releasing the pathogen on the city. I believe this caused the rift between them. Some how after this the ship crashed, possibly due to sabotage by shaw.
I always thought David would never kill Shaw. My original thought while watching the movie was an Engineer killed her and he was angry with them so he released the pathogen.
What engineer
Crazy robot killed her
this makes sense. I was so heart broken by seeing shaw dead because of david. now everything makes sense. david actually tried to protect shaw.
Great job, makes perfect sense. Still learning from your insights in 2019 : )
If I recall correctly in the movie David did confess to killing Shaw so he could experiment on her. He was going to do the same with Daniels. Well we all know who saw the movie that Daniels will be his next experiment. It is true in Space no one can hear you scream.
Damn Kroft! You're good! I like your analysis of the Alien franchise most. You seem to do serious research and put lots of thought into your videos about this topic. I've said it in your other videos on this franchise. I hope people understand your point of view which I think is the most accurate.
Seriously this is the best theory so far. Awesome channel!
Makes eeire sense to me. The way he "worshipped" her and how he seemingly adored his alien creation... not because he made it but because it was "born" from Shaw.
David infected her. Like he did her partner. David believes he is a superior and more evolved than human beings and their creator engineers. Ultimately he perpetuates his struggle with his psychopathic creator, by emerging as a superior creator. He can't be infected by his superior creation, but they can be infected by his. Remember how he attempts to tame the alien in the movie. He wants to be master of his perfect creation. A creation free of all the moral pretence of his imperfect and selfish creators.
He's very simple and you summed it up nicely. I think people want David to be more than he is, because he was presented that way in Prometheus, but Covenant is a soft re-boot that discards the "Adam" persona of his character altogether (the opening scene w/Weyland = Lucifer "serving in heaven").
that's a lot of nerdery
True. Maybe when he says “I learned of their ways”, he really means that he saw how the engineers viewed themselves as the most superior life forms in the universe so they could basically do whatever they want and humans are just ants to them and they wouldn’t think twice about squishing them. So he took the same stance and proclaimed himself the superior being, even more so than the engineers themselves. Therefore, he set out on a mission to create the perfect weapon to wipe out the engineers and take his place as an immortal (because he’s an android) god and make the universe his laboratory, similar to how the engineers had done so.
David may have "loved Shaw" but he learned of humanity from Weyland. And he sees all these creators or Gods tinker with their creations to "make them better." He doesn't like violence between humans -- but creates a creature of violence. But the Polymorphs don't kill each other unless commanded by a queen they must obey. In David's fractured ethics -- that's "more perfect." He is in a way a child, who had horrible parents. He cared about making Shaw better -- not about what she wanted. I agree and think she got infected and he tried to control the mutations. David's love is not something we should want, however. He's messed up by this point.
If we look at the Art Work by David which some of it are sketches and notes on his experiments with others being ideas and fantasies of his. It would seem that he was looking to EVOLVE her into something else, even noted as such. This would be something that she would have rejected.
Woah! That's a damn fine theory! Well thought out sir!
I have to disagree with your theory. David might of had feelings for her in a sick and twisted way but he definitely killed her and experimented on her. Shaw might of developed some feelings for David after a while because he was the only one there but she intended to use him as a tool to help get answers.
I think David tried everything to save Shaw, he learned everything he could about the goo and how it worked. He learned the engineers way and decided to go with good old human revenge.
I think david went insane truly with grief and decided to secure Shaws legacy by creating his own child as he was created. A perfect killing machine who uses its victims against them. With shaws genes as part of the base with the wasp.
I also want to add when David has an interaction with Walter he tries to stock a fire that he shouldn’t be serving them that he’s more superior than them, but Walter being hardwired to take care of humans doesn’t agree so if that’s anything about how he felt about humans, I’m pretty sure he didn’t care anything about Shaw. Also, in the first movie, he says that he doesn’t understand human emotions. I wouldn’t think that he would develop a care for humans after literally being the caretaker for Waylon, and he said that he was abusive.
Great job on these vids. Awesome!
I don't think he murdered her, just like I think Walter is still alive. Awakening WILL answer these things
nocturnasinterfector I hope there is still Awakening after the box office results
Life Affirm No gotdammit I need closure
It will make sense in the directors cut with an additional 20 plus minutes longer. It a trend since BvS. Edit film to fit 2 hour mark for movie theaters to fit more showing. Then show the directors cut and ppl will get a fuller movie.
but there is no director's cut of prometheus, so i doubt it
Gordon Richardson It hasn't been a trend since BvS. Directors Cuts have been around for years...
Great theory!! Much richer motivation and more interesting than him just 'going bad'. Hopefully, it will be explored more in the next sequel!!
This is the best explanation I’ve heard so far, good job
The background music is also captivating with your nerration. Great work.
if you watch the scene in Prometheus dr shaw uses the tube to do an abortion to remove the thing from her and what happens is the membrane around the alien bursts open and all that liquid splashes down in her opened wound so she staples it up and now jump forward to alien covenant i believe that liquid inside her was making her ill and slowly over time as she slept she started changing so david saw this and there was nothing he could do as it was all thru her body then david thought its an opportunity to see whats going on inside her the picture of dr shaw her entire middle bit including reproduction organs was removed, dr shaw was already a dead person as david could not help her but he saved the reproduction organs were the big changes were happening and thats when he began to experiment, he didn't kill dr shaw not in the way you would think she was infected all thru her body from the liquid that splashed down over her opened wound
Wouldnt the liquid from the sack contain stem cells with goo thus remoldinh her body not into a xenomorph but hybrid
Right and exact!
Makes sense .. cus if he was using her he wouldn’t care enough to have a picture or make a tombstone damn my mind is blown
I agree, remember the first movie. The xenomorph can turn you into an egg and hang you on the wall for all to see.
If this was the case, why was there no mention of it?
The 'compassion' factor brings out a core difference between Shaw and Weyland. This factor is constantly being confronted within the whole of humanity.
I'll preface by stating my own core perspectives: We humans never know everything about anything. And yet we use our brilliant imaginations to create in our inner worlds, our minds, assumptions for the sake of a sense safety that we call 'Truth'. The worst of these are what we call 'Ultimate' or 'Absolute Truth'. This human behavior constitutes our single worst enemy, ourselves, and causes our worst failures. It's somewhat similar to the Weyland assumption of his being god-like and deserving of immortality.
The confrontation:
Weyland's life's work is a gaming system. He worked in business. His thinking is that of a game player. The inhumane aspects of business are a constant factor throughout the Alien series. It's the contradiction in the plot that makes us wonder who is worse, the humans or the Alien monsters. Thinking within a gaming system is in and of itself not natural. It separates humans from the natural world. In Prometheus we witness a confrontation between game player Weyland and a natural world fanatic, an Engineer. Of course they are not going to get along. Weyland's assumptions about the Engineers are disasterously wrong.
Shaw, however, was a scientist who worked almost entirely outside of any gaming system. She, like the Engineers, worked within natural systems. I consider her naive regarding the effect of a natural-minded person working with a game system-minded person. She doesn't comprehend Weyland's inner world and its unnatural machinations. Weyland only understands the aspects of Shaw's expressed inner world that are useful in his new game strategy, that of meeting a fellow creative god-like being as well as his striving for immortality. To Weyland, the Engineers are the ultimate experts of natural systems who of course have mastered death.
The 'Last Engineer' recognizes David as unnatural, intently ripping the head of this abomination. David, having been abused by both game players and a natural system expert Engineer, has only naive Shaw as a source of natural system-minded compassion..
All of this can get mind-bogglingly complicated and helps to point out the still primitive nature of human understanding of psychology. We humans insist that everything be as simple as possible. But the natural world is never simple. And the most complicated being in the natural world is ourselves. Therefore, we consistently avoid comprehending ourselves beyond levels of simplicity. All of our fear and avoidance of complexity has got to end if we are going to survive our own behavior and have a future. Only by understanding ourselves and compensating for our constant creation of deceptive 'truth' can we move on. Otherwise, we're all still tribes living and fighting in jungles of our own imagined design.
Humanity is simple in complex ways and complex is simple ways. Sometimes you just want a full belly, empty balls and a trophy wife.
I was doubtful about your theory at first but you got me convinced. Makes perfect sense.
Awesome, awesome, awesome work you doing :)
I really like this theory that was just mentioned about the female character (Elisabeth Shaw) what might of happened to her.
Sounds less messed up so I approve. Thank you.
David killed Shaw. In the original script for the prologue, when they arrive on the planet he breaks her neck before dropping the pathogen. He also flat out says he killed her in the movie.
Your videos are fantastic. I had never considered David killed the engineers out of anger for what happened to Elizabeth. The look on his face when he drops the goo on them actually says it all now. I always thought it was a look of regret or something similar. But it's absolutely contempt for what happened to Elizabeth. Maybe a little of both. Which makes total sense especially since he cared for her deeply.
Also -- I think they bonded over the fact neither of them could create life.
That just blew my mind. I like that theory and you’re right, it does fit. I hope they go with that for the next script. Good work!👍🏼
He allowed her to die after coming out of cryo impregnated. That is what he did to Shaw. And that was what he did with Daniels and the rest of the colonists. Because he was chaotic and dangerous. As Walter explained.
Exactly this RUclips channel is missing everything that happened in the damn movies
This at least gives David's actions a reasonable spin. I like this idea because I was never satisfied with the shallow view of him being evil for evils sake. Her being sick because of an engineer creation causing him to go on a revenge killing spree makes twisted sense. I also like the idea that out of grief he is trying to keep her alive and memorializes her through a tomb and the genetic alien design. This is a solid line of reasoning. Good catch on her being ill, I did not see that.
Not sure about it but that alienized Shaw face was one hell of a masterpiece
You're voice was too slow so I sped it up to 1.25 and now I've finished your video. :)
Here's my personal opinion.
"Alien : Awakening"
Seems represent the awake of Walter
This was very insightful. Thank you.
GOOD THEORY. I like how your theory covers the various references to Daniels.
No. David is openly disappointed when he tells us about how Elizabeth refused his offer to "repopulate the planet" together with him. He also threatens Daniels when she asks in terror what he had done to Elizabeth by replying "the same thing I am going to do to you" and then attacks her. Doesn't really sound like a declaration of love to me.
Your theory makes sense to me
Thank you for not jumping to wild conclusions like other alien channels, as this info seems more realistic, an fits his prior friendship conduct.
Speaking as a writer this storyline is a classy way of furthering the intrigue an drama.
"Two things can be true at the same time."
Such a simple, unsophisticated phrasing, but one of the most profoundly explanatory. George washington was a great statesman for America, but also insisted on keeping slaves because secretly, he felt his finances and therefore America's finances weren't ready to do without their free labour.
David was the same. He loved Shaw with all that his robot heart was able to contain. She had, literally, completed him.
But he also was determined to continue his existence as the creator, not the slave robot.
David's "feelings" for Shaw were an illusion. We get a glimpse of this when David is talking to Walter. Walter tells David that his "emotions" aren't real. Another example is when David kisses Walter. This was a weird sexual part of the film to further express the glitch that distorted David's programming.
There was no point in keeping Shaw alive after David killed the Engineers. By doing so, David killed Shaw's purpose for living. This was the theme of Prometheus. Shaw did not want to return home, but wanted to find out more about humanity's creators.
Cory May. Kisses aren't always sexual. Evolve your thinking a little.
When David attacks Daniels at the end of the movie he says "I'm going to do to you what I did to her" when she asks "what did you do to her" after Daniels finds the drawings
D'Anna Pope thats not what he said
Rodrigo Bravo I'm not saying my wording is 100% accurate but I've seen the movie twice now and that's really close to what he says. When she finds the drawings at the climax and David walks in on her she asks "what did you do to her?" They start fighting and he says "what I'm going to do to you" or "the same thing I'm going to do to you" something very close to those two, I wish I could remember word for word for you tho
D'Anna Pope Nope your right, when he came behind Daniels and she was gonna shoot him he smacked the gun out her hand. Then Daniels was like Shaw didn't die in the crash and David responded and said no, and Daniel's said what did you do to her, David said " exactly what im going to do to you", he used Shaw as a host to experiment on her look at the fucking drawings for Pete sake and her body is completely mutated and mutilated beyond doubt. And since he loved her he also feels grief and guilt for killing her as well that's why he made a burial for her and a song to. Did you not see what he did to Shaw's boyfriend and what he was gonna do to Daniels as well.
This makes much more sense; its a much more organic transition from Prometheus to Alien Covenant. David forming a healthy, genuine relationship and coping with that loss in his own psychotic, twisted way deepens his character much more than him manipulating her because. Instead of "evil android plotting to do evil things" he's much more sympathetic and relatable as someone who expieriences genuine love but is ultimately brought down by his limitations and ego.
Made sense actually, nice work 👍