Who Created Engineers ? Origins Explained || Theories
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- Опубликовано: 13 ноя 2017
- In today’s video, I wanna talk about a question that many people wondered which is who created engineers. Just like Shaw said, if Engineers created us, who created them?
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The first theory proposes that Engineers evolved from the black goo or the pathogen. From Alien Covenant deleted scene we learned that the black goo is an ancient form of AI that contains nanoparticles cable of evolutionary computing. This substance is also called an accelerant and poses different proprieties many of which we don’t even know yet. Since the black goo is a biological substance, in certain environments in could have produced simple organisms that eventually evolved into more complex ones until humanoid beings such as Engineers appeared.
That’s why engineers almost worshiped the pathogen and created a temple filled with pathogen ampules.
Another reason we’ve never seen the black goo producing life on it’s own is because Engineers always kept in isolation from outside world: glass ampules with the black goo were placed in solid urns.
With that being said, Engineers originated from the black goo and then worshiped this substance as the source of their existence.
But their attempts to play “god" led to their destruction and one or maybe all of the Engineer planets were contaminated.
The second theory is actually pretty crazy but it can make sense because there are quite a bit of details that can prove it. Remember this is just a theory and although it makes sense in a certain way, I’m pretty sceptical about it.
The main idea is that xenomorphs created engineers, as opposed to what most people thought. This theory contradicts to the commonly accepted assumption that every civilization or species are created by another more advanced civilizations. It doesn’t always have to be the case because in certain surcomstances, civilizations can degrade instead of always progressing.
According to this theory, Engineers did not create humans and the planet that we see at the beginning of Prometheus is the planet 4 or just another planet that Engineers wanted to seed with xenomorphs, their creators.
This theory would explain the xenomorph mural in Prometheus.
Engineers clearly worshiped this xenomorph looking organism because it created them. Xenomorph was portrayed in a crusifix form which is a way producers implied it’s devine status and there is really no other explanation for the mural, other than someone that Engineers worshiped.
David created some version of a xenomorph in Alien covenant because he used pre existing alien dna contained in the black goo. Even in the novelization David says that xenomoph eggs were already there before his arrival.
So how and why xenomorphs would create Engineers ?
Xenomorphs civilization went exstinct because of their abuse of technologies and their last attempt to survive was to create an artificial intelligence in the form of Engineers to spread their dna across the galaxy and prevent their species from dying, sounds like what humans are trying to do using androids.
For this reason they created an atrificial life form Engineers to help them survive and maintain favourable environment for their reproduction. Engineers were way smarter than xenomorphs, just like androids exceed humans in almost everything.
Abuse of technologies is one of the main themes of Alien movies so it would make perfect sense if this is what happened to xenomorphs. In fact the same thing might have destroyed engineers, since they went from wearing ropes to bio-suits merged with their bodies. And their planet might have been destroyed as a result of losing control over a technology or a bio experiment that they were conducting.
Alien movies itself are suggesting that although technological progress can offer many benefits, its abuse and extreme dependence can lead to the extinction of human race.
So Alien movies is a warning to humans that if we don’t use technology in a more responsible way, we will become bio hybrid monsters that we’re so afraid of.
Technology turning agains humans is also an important theme in alien movies, david and ash value exploration of alien life forms over human crew.
and it is shown multiple times that technology fails to protect humans.
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I like the idea of the engineers creating the Xenomorphs as a way of connecting themselves to their creators. But rather then the Xenomorphs losing their intelligence I believe it’d be more satisfactory that the Xenomorphs we’ve seen are failed recreations. Almost like people trying to make an angel but creating demons instead.
Weirdos!
Yes that sounds way better and I think that’s the actual truth of the matter.
@@krxwnvxk3432 There is no truth! It's a sci-fi movie script that tells a completely FICTIONAL story for profitable entertainment. "Truth of the matter". What the Hades is wrong with you?
That’s an amazing hypothesis and i am going to think that way from now on aswell
Though we do know that the line between an angel and a demon can be a narrow one...I think I would have LOVED seeing a Prometheus movie titled Paradise Lost!
I had heard that the humanoid figure in the room with the black goo was the first engineer infected with an alien 'deacon' that had the gold blood; the engineers had lost the ability to reproduce on their own. The gold blood allowed the engineers to seed other planets, but they ran out of the blood and the black goo was their attempt to replicate the golden blood from the first deacon.
That makes sense
Yeah, Kroft talks about that in some earlier videos about original drafts/scripts and how a lot of the Engineer stuff got cut. I think he has 2 videos about that. 1 before the special edition blueray, and the second one after the blueray with interviews/documentary that does enforce that the earlier scripts/drafts elaborate on the engineers and their worship of the original true "deacon" and how it allowed them to reproduce. After they gave up sex, i think the quote is something like, "they reproduced in strange and exotic ways" or something like that. Hinting at bio-engineering/cloning/whatever ethereal/eldritch methods you can think up. The true deacon shows up, they use it's blood for reproduction, run out, and make the black goo. I don't think it is stated anywhere if the Engi who seeded life on earth used the original deacon blood or their version black goo. It would make more sense if they used their black goo since humans are waaaay to violent for them, and then leads them to start playing around with the black goo to try and isolate the "violence" gene. The planet David hits with the black goo look really similar to engi's but also humans. They favor the engineer architecture and humble looks, with major parts of the planet being left alone and natural. So I would hazard a guess that planet 4's Engi/human hybrids were a successful pre-earth attempt using original deacon blood and earth's humans were black goo hybrids.
I noticed, in the mural, that the creature had a belly button. So like when the alien took the ability to breed like a human, this original one also had that ability.
I saw a “how would you rate this comment” survey on this comment, which I have never seen before. It made me pause since it’s an example of a creation trying to improve something about itself for its creator. Which is an import part of this video, these movies, this discussion.
@@OriginalDonutposse the only thing is is that computer software and programs aren’t alive.
Some eukaryotes can "conjugate" with each other - and also do asexual reproduction - what they wil do is conjugate ( trade genes ) with another of it's species that isnt in its direct genetic line and then asexually reproduce a bunch and then do it again with another one and do the asexual reproduction again. It knows what it's doing - trying to make more successful bacteria through genetic super diversity...
Shit is smart on an instinct level.!
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I think the important thing is that the story has balance , the engineers create life and the xenomorph destroys it.. as an antithesis. Humans are in the middle. The dark details around are interesting but decorative. At the end this story was created with mysteries that were never planned to be explained like the spacejockey. Decades later and with the desire to make money with a franchise every detail has been forced to fit a giant puzzle that was never supposed to exist.
I think this is true of almost every giant franchise. Star Wars for example, was supposed to be a stand alone movie at first. George Lucas didn’t expect it to be successful at all and after it was, the other ot movies were made to fill in the gaps
Interesting. Sort of like the Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva trinity (trimurti): Creator, Preserver, Destroyer. One Hindu once created the G-O-D acronym by describing them as Generator, Operator, Destroyer.
I think any author when writes a story thinks of way more stuff than what actually goes on the final production (movie, book music etc). This is because of budget constraints which account to time as well. I bet they wished they could have worked more on the concept and all details that make up the story but didn't because time was limited. Once the movie got popular, there was enough budget and time to bring all those details to further development and introduce them in new movies. I don't think there were created to fill in gaps.
"Engineers clearly Worship the Xenomorph Looking being"
Not necessarily. Many people speculate it is not a form of Worship, but instead a warning against misusing the Black Goo (perhaps both warning and worship). That is; Irresponsible use of the Black Goo can result in catastrophic results to its users. What little use of the Black Goo we see from the Engineers has always been controlled, almost ritualistic on screen. It lends credence to the idea that Engineers have a very rigid structure around the Black Goo and its usage.
This was my thought when I saw the movie.
Agree. I also don't feel they were "worshipping" them.
The mural/ statue of the Xenomorph looking creature could also be more of a reverence to the Engineer’s most perfect creation. An acknowledgement of the height of the bioengineering prowess. We (humans) could just be a small side experiment in creating individually intelligent life in the Engineer image. We aren’t their main focus, we are just a side project which they view as a failure. The Xenomorph is the the true focus.
I dont understand why they would worship the xenomorph, since it kills them. It makes no sense. I figure its their version of a nuclear weapon. Their "perfect" weapon.
Conquered species on the wall as a trophy.
When the original Engineer drinks the gold “blood of the creator” and falls into the water, he doesn’t JUST make humans. He makes all living creatures on that planet.
Good point
That was my train of thought👍🏻
We are very human centered in our thinking.
Agreed. Black goo is the origin of organic life
@@yakuza2123
When I first saw the movie. My first thought was *the tree of life bares only black fruit*.
Docile and less violent creatures were a product of evolution over long periods of time.
Somethin like that
Maybe the black goo is a reference to “Soma” the ancient “drink” of the gods found in zoroastrian. A drink that would make the gods more divine it contained dmt, mushrooms, speed, and heroin. They probably had some bomb black tar
Dude, I really like the Alien franchise and came in contact with your channel. Really loved your content and the explanations on Prometheus!
Super advanced civilization logic: take a super dangerous self evolving substance and put it in Tupper containers with unsecured lids in a temple with a giant head In The middle
There could be many reasons for that, though. Who knows if they made the goo? Perhaps they found it, indicating they're not that advanced. The Klingon in Star Trek are very ritualistic, yet advanced. That's one of the appealing things about Star Trek--it shows there are many paths of advancement, not just the ones shown by humans. Klingons likely stole the technology they needed and back engineered it from there.
Technology ages and breaks down. Who says those containers were made to last over 2000 years?
With the purpose of annihilating all life in a planet to punish one species...
Perhaps, we can look at it in this perspective. A higher being above the Engineers intentionally left the Black Goo there behind to see if the Engineers would keep the Covenant: the seal or promise of faithfulness to the gods. Like all flawed races in the Universe, the Engineers chosed rebellion against their creator. They wanted to be like the gods so they used the Black Goos to make themselves invincible. Sounds like a similar story in the Garden of Eden? Had they chosen the Convenant over the Black Goos, the Enginneers would have been the chosen race to be in good terms with the gods. In return, they will enjoy peace, prosperity, and no death. By choosing the Black Goos, it was an admissible death sentence b/c that was grounds for a rebellion. How do you suppose a third of the angels were cast out of the Heavens? The containers weren't completely sealed proof b/c it was a matter of choice. Similarly, in Prometheus, had David obeyed his master's orders not to enter into the Forbidden chamber of the ship, the entire Prometheus crew would have lived to see their mission being accomplished.
@Niŋin turdl已 If the engineers are the fallen angels, then we would indeed be in serious jeopardy. These so-called angelic beings have ranks after ranks of principalities and powers beyond the human race can withstand. A third of 10k x 10k = 33,000,000. We're all dead meat! 🤣🤣🤣
I'll bet Ridley Scott is watching this and thinking "Damn....now I have to write a new story".
+11033066099 He's not a writer, though.
he helps work on the writing as well i believe
No, he dont give a fuck.
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Man these theories are mind blowing, this is the most interesting video of your's I've seen thus far.
amazing.
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Oh wow now I know this I can re-watch all the other Kroft vids that sent me to sleep before LMFAO
Perfect! Cheers
Best thing ever
lol, thanks
Jeseus thanks
The Designers created the Engineers.
The Great Architects
Robert Santiago
The Architects.
Dead asf😂💀
Robert Santiago the architect created the designer, the artist created the architect, the poet created the artist and the philosopher created the poet.
HR created both.
Excellently put...and a refreshing engineer origin theory (to me at least). Seems fairly plausible when considering the entropic nature of humankind's largest civilizations (many of which have been conveniently 'lost'). Thanks for another great production!
It’s wild, you reached nearly 10k in 4 years, and then 180k in less than 6 years, WOW! Amazing job, love your stuff.
I don't think the Engineers are androids due to their reactions with the black goo and the impregnation from the Trilobite. The synthetics in the series never seem to be viable targets for Facehuggers, and David appears to be incompatible with the black goo judging by how he is able to handle contact with it.
That's where you went wrong.. you thinked. Stfu
@Where Is Waldo a xenomorph cant gestate and burst out of a terminator dumbass..
Facehuggers have a respiratory feature to keep the host alive. David/Ashe have no respiratory function. Also the "bleeding" is not, it's a leak of hydraulic fluid with an extensive electromechanical ligature system with a smart suface sensing feed back fau neurological system.
That Guy Wow good one dumb fuck. How about you don’t “ thinked” again for all of us
I think his point was that carbon based lifeforms were artificial life to the xenomorphs.
Jokes aside, those guys look like Greek statues.
Greek Statues look like Engineers...
They are beautiful in a creepy kind of way
@NEGUS MBARKA your queerdo
Scott based a lot of the Engineers mythos in things connected to elements of ancient human culture with some level of ambiguity around them. Their written language is sumarian, they use hierohlyphics, and their main ship is exactly like the kind of tubular one's you'd see in old UFO sighting clips.
That was what they were going for.
I love these videos. Great job on them! Hands down great!
That's a great take on these movies, a very relevant and plausible conclusion! 👍🏻
Well with the release of the unpublished script, we know that, at least originally, the engineers worshipped and ancient parasitic being, they worship it because they evolved passed the ability to reproduce, but this being facehugging onto them, allowed them to spawn new life, but I think it's safe to assume that being wasn't a traditional Xeno, because it's blood would be acidic, and we know the goo in the jar from the opening scene is supposed to be it's blood, which instead of being acidic is instead mutigenic. Also, if they worshipped it and didn't fear it, it's likely these beings were intelligent. And the engineers took the blood of this parasite and used it to mutate themselves into new life.
From there we know that some engineers tried to weaponize it, or at least a synthetic version of it.
As to whether or not David truly created the Xenos, I think he just ushured in it's natural next step.
Every instance of life affected by the mutigenic "goo" all appear to be parasitic. From the hammerpedes, to the giant face humper that attached to the engineer.
I don't think David truly did as much as he believes he did. I think the goo used him, like it uses everything else. A true parasite.
That's right Joe. It was blood of the Lord he drink, not a poison as this idiot suggest.
I had a crazy Idea David was born already superior to his creators thus causing David to develop a complex so when they discovered the engineers he though he would encounter superior beings to coexist with. After Prometheus David studied the engineers and realized they were created by a superior lifeform the xenomorph entity that they worshiped. The engineers were just as disappointing as humans were for David so he destroyed them and got to work on recreating their creators thus the xenomorphs prototypes he made but his work has yet to yield the desired result.
@@Phantom19913i think you're correct so david was trying to recreate the conscious xeno which is what engineers called the Deacon.
I thought that in almost all alien & AvP movies it was pretty clear that xenomorphs were designed to be the ultimate biological weapon. Their entire design points to being a weapon as almost every part of them is lethal & their entire aim is to kill, reproduce, multiply and wipe out anything in its way. Don't know too much about the backstory but couldn't the engineers have been at war with predators and create a bioweapon that is stronger than any predator? (where both civilizations arose through normal evolutionary processes)
Lol AVP movies. No Alien movies exist after Aliens.
@@JohnnyZenith ? Not quite sure what you mean. A quick google will show you there are:
Original series
Alien (1979)
Aliens (1986)
Alien 3 (1992)
Alien Resurrection (1997)
Prequel series
Prometheus (2012)
Alien: Covenant (2017)
@@__Wanderer I think Ridley Scott pretty much ignored everything that came after Alien.
We don't know and perhaps we will never know 4 sure if there was a war going on between the two races. With that being said, we do know that the Predators enjoyed the sport of hunting down the Xenomorphs as this is a great honor in gaining ranks. The Engineers don't possess all the badass weapons like the Predators but they do have that cunning ability to create destructive biological species that will fight for them on the frontline. In an actual hand to hand combat, an engineer can easily overpower a predator warrior as seen from the comic series. The enginneers are incredibly strong. So yes, with the Xenomorphs on their side, the Predators are no match. But wait…don't forget that the Predators do have something up in their sleaves. They got the nukes with the explosive power of a 500 kilotons of TNT. That's more than enough to level an entire city the size of Manhattan, New York. They will leave no traces behind. 😅😅😱😱☠☠☠☠☠☠
Then,they probably meant it as a sort of a gift🤣.
Seriously, the Predators love Xenomorphs as prey. They made specialised hunting grounds for them, used human sacrifices to incubate their young. They RAISED the species. It's part of their culture.
Whatever Engineer made them either thought it was funny,it was a nice gift or he didn't know ### about Yautja. Or maybe all three.
Love your channel dude, I think your voice is great dude, love your work
"The black goo" might be the same as in X - Files. . 😂😂😂.
From the space ship?
Actually this isn't so far fetched. I like it.
I guess the engineer never miss their gym day
😂😂
Well they live at planet fitness
@@son-zs8uc I bet engineers claim to be natty...but we know they're juicing
Leg day and all
OMG I'm dead ☠️☠️
I think the gym and trainer created the engineer getting ready for mr olympia 2020
😂💯💕👍
Just like Greek God 🙌
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Do you remember a flash back in “Prometheus”, when the crew saw a projection of the past where engineers running from something and one eventually had his head cut with doors? Do you recall “Alien”, the first of the franchise, the shot where we see an engineer in an elephant like helmet his abdomen was also cut open? Remember tall bodies with their rib cages burst inside out? Well, the movie tells us what happened. The goo is like a plague “the creators” produced to eliminate sadistic and violent human race. In the process an epidemic broke loose, they them selves suffered dearly from it and only one survived. And still it remains and spreads around the planet whenever accidental stupid host arrives no matter of one’s kind be it an intelligent being or an animal, such as a dog (Alien), or an android with a exact program to capture and breed the alien species (Alien) at what ever costs for rich to ripe the profits in the warfare. It’s not a worship of an kind or evolution nor a transformation. The engineer’s DNA 🧬 like a blueprint of hatred and fear towards humans joined with xenomorph’s and when it hatched it’s a perfect bio killer with one and only purpose devour. The mural is a pure depiction of the final stage of horror, a history yet to come. Beware of the beast. The ships supposed to drop their deadly cargo on Earth, the star map shows calibration waypoint to our planet and a Force, God The Creator of all living stopped the invasion. But people, our indefatigable curiosity always leads us to distraction.
I agree with you
English isn’t your first language is it?
Your videos are brilliant and extremely thorough.
dude... you need to make this concept. There's 9600 subscribers, one has to be a solid artist. Write the story of the advanced xenomorph, narrate it, and have someone do some badass art for it. Comic/graphic novel type video.. I bet you could go to a pretty amazing place with it.
That’s a good idea. Maybe I’ll do it if I have time. Thanks
there’s already a book in which xenomorphs were originally a highly advanced species. I don’t remember the title, but it picks up the storyline after Alien 2.
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As per option 2, thats not what I was picking up on here with the Engineers’ creator story - this is - They’re god was a benevolent, highly evolved & intelligently advanced Xenomorph species, a Queen alien; apparently, it seems that The Engineers as a species lost the ability to reproduce and going extinct, & that is when they met this angelic Xenomorph that agreed to sacrifice her life in order to genetically engineer or hybridize their DNAs together in order to save their species. It worked, at least for awhile, and the Engineers proceeded to worship the Wise Queen Xenomorph as their god, specifically worshipping the small amount of her blood they have maintained as the elixir of life; however, over time The Engineers DNA began to degrade again, and with extinction looming again they began desperate genetic engineering experiments attempting to synthesize their God’s blood and attempt to resurrect their God (in other words, the highly intelligent & benevolent ancient Xenomorph race that created them) - however Engineers could never perfect the synthesis, and the changes made accidentally to the blood’s DNA kept evolving & mutating over time into a rabid hybrid hive-minded species with no soul, controlled essentially by what the engineers would likely consider to be The Devil or the opposite of their God - A Queen xenomorph that only cares about herself and about spreading infestation & death...the bot hed Engineer experiments With xenomorph blood led to the birth of a new mutant species of xenomorph that ironically now threatens all life in the galaxy - so, it seems like a whole bunch of genetic engineering experiments gone terribly wrong and the unforeseen nightmare consequences such risky experiments could accidentally yield
The best script possible. Ridley Scott should take you to his team!
Actually close to the actual script wtf?
No
@@MrKevinEaddy why?
@@ash_1419 because the Xenomorph is a bioweapon.. The Engineers used the Xenomorph to get rid of failed experiments.. And we are definitely a failed experiment
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I really like the theory that the Xenomorphs created the Engineers, it makes perfect sense. Subscribed!
No. Well argued but no. Ridley Scott makes it clear that the xenomorph is and always has been a bioweapon. Any theory has to acknowledge this. I love your videos but this is a massive overeach.
@Etcetera maybe advanced android can/could have dna's.
@@ikp4success no, this is called cyborg, android is a complete machine
@Etcetera I mean an advanced toaster could have dna... A toaster is define by what it does not what it is made out off.
@Etcetera lol
More like they were formidable life forms people intended to use as a bio weapon. Only now Ridley decided to insert his creationist babbling that makes no sense in the story.
Engineers might not always wear bio suits, it could just be something certain Engineers wear for certain missions. or it could be something a certain class of Engineers wear
It's not a suite.
It's a natural form armor
Excellent summation.
Very interesting theories. Thx!👍
Engineers were created by the spacejockey race - They rebelled and took the black mutagen which fulfills the reference to "stealing fire from the gods" Prometheus classical mythos.
Even though it's all theories in the end of the day, each time you show us evidence that support your theories, that eventually I start to believe and think what if he is right...
Every video you make has so many details and I really appreciate your time and effort you put in your videos. Thank you, and keep it up!
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Not much theory, mostly entertainment. was for fun, some people take it too seriously... was just for good time...
I put it on 1.5 lol
look at the pyarmids on mars and google mars two nukes went off then watch spirit science channel
One of the things that people miss is also the biblical and biological or evolutionary themes that Ridley Scott features in the Alien Franchise at least Alien, and of course Prometheus or Covenant as well.
1: Bio-Mechanical Theme
Because many of the aspects are influenced literally from H.R. Giger's artwork we have to take into consideration that the Xeno's and Engineers share the same "Bio-Mechanical" theme. We can first see this in both the looks from the Xenomorph acid blood, and finally the Engineer bio suits that indeed there is an element of genetic engineering as well as bio mechanical engineering as well that goes into the themes.
Same could be said about the Black Goo as well being an accelerate and also a mutation agent as well.
2: Biblical and Evolutionary Themes
Biblical themes can be found throughout the Alien and Prometheus/Covenant movies as well. From LV 426 to also LV 223. Because of this, the scriptures goes as stated:
Leviticus 4:26
"He shall burn all the fat on the altar as he burned the fat of the fellowship offering. In this way the priest will make atonement for the leader's sin, and he will be forgiven."
also...
Leviticus 22:3
"Say to them: 'For the generations to come, if any of your descendants is ceremonially unclean and yet comes near the sacred offerings that the Israelites consecrate to the LORD, that person must be cut off from my presence. I am the LORD."
This has been a rolling theory fans have had about the film with the Engineers obsessing with the perfect life form or organism. Furthermore this also can be stated by Ash from the movie Alien both about purity and perfection.
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Stating how he admires it's purity, and also it being the perfect organism. So because of this we can think that indeed this is why we as humans were host for the next stage. Just the fact we became self aware, questioned the creators back then, and finally were considered blemished again so to speak.
Now in part to about Evolutionary theme? The Black Goo represents the concept of life literally spurring from the primordial ooze or in this case "Black Goo" either being accelerated, altered, or finally mutated.
Thoughts:
My thoughts is basically that in looking at the themes from the Alien movies at least both Alien, Aliens, Prometheus, and finally Covenant that it could be said whoever or whatever created the Engineers might have been created from an intelligence with a sense of order. Implying creation with Intelligent Design implied into it's development, now rather out of protocol, instinct or self awareness with ambition to distinguish themselves as "The Creators" could be another thing but what is known that the theme of creation and evolution was carried out with a "grand design" for the goal.
That major goal is still a mystery but in my opinion the Engineers feel they are simply following their role in engineering and creating life, but as ambition or out of dedication with zealous faith is another story.
Hopefully we will find out eventually...
Man your background music really makes these videos seem much more epic bro
Great theory,thank you!
I think the premise really is: They were looking for the engineers, not be caused they were human being's creators, but because them being more advanced, they may have discovered the meaning of life and existence.
the script explains it
they looked for the engineers in search of selfish purposes as eternal life besides life meaning
the engineer as he spoke with anger he said that they took one of our kind and taught him meaning and purpose of life
as beligerant species that we are, we punished and killed him (jesus)
so they gave up on us and left us on our own fate
they had the answers, they gave us all of them, "we" didnt care at all
Life has no purpose. That's esoteric nonsense.
Just enjoy your life.
@@CordeliaWagner your comment is dogmatic.
Those fucks shouldnt have left cave paintings with their location on our planet imo !
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The engineer at the beginning of Prometheus looked like a buff Voldemort
Stunning!
and he is sexy😀 strong build and figure!
@@chocolatnoir1108 You know that was all added muscle to the actors frame? I watched a making of the movie and was shocked to learn this. This certainly was the case of the one that was fighting Shaw.
@@requiem1963 indeed. I did search and yes. theyre added😁😁😁😁😁 he also was the cast for Predator, right?
With a nose
Outstanding very thought provoking and fascinating! Most intriguing! 🤔👍👍
So interesting! Thanks.
DUDE! Your creative theories are remarkable. How wonderful to see someone take such interest and care in something to bring it to us in a way we had never imagined...LOVED THIS!
One thing I'll say, the engineers are buff!!!
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They look like Vin Diesel.
They look like Vin Diesel.
WOOOW thats deeeep.... Let that sink in* thanks for the video!
If Engineers were really just androids, then how does the last engineer give birth to the Deacon?
yes true android can't give birth
Biological android... still nature, so yes... it can replicate foreign DNA cell growth.
A bit of a reach, but maybe that's the Blade Runner tie...
Or maybe this is all just a movie
David was the creator?
I think the engineer was just pissed that David awoike him from a hyper sleep! That's why he killed them..just an ever day occurance in that world! lol
@adam brown Nope. Dr Shaw pisses him off when she asked why they hate humans. Read the manuscript. Really interesting stuff.
I think it was right there... Where the magic of filmmaking in general happens... it shows us the audience watching the hard lessons through life and death... Take a few steps back, respect the unknown. Like a painting. Humility always balances the anxiety out.
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I believe it was a combination of things. The Engineer doesn't seem hostile when they first wake him, the turning point seems to be when Shaw is hit in the stomach with the gun. It's not happy about that at all. Then an old man arrogant enough to think of himself as a god introduces him to this non-biomechnical artificial live. Several things went wrong there.
@@CarnalKid True. That was part of it. They deleted lots of scenes, but he was insulted that the old man thought he was worthy of immortality. He appeared to be initially impressed they found him then he remembered what we were like and why they wanted to take us out in the first place.
One of my all time favorite stories. A lots of hidden truths in it.
I like the idea that xenomorphs may have once been advanced and created the Engineers. The biggest support for this is that the body of the Xenomorph looks very much like a mechanical suit. In Gigers original drawings, the mechanical quality is much clearer. The Xenomorphs advanced technology to merge biological machinery with thier bodies, just like the engineers did.
Parts of the original treatise for alien suggested that the aggressive drone stage was just the first of several, and that the end of their maturation involves becoming peaceful and intellectual.
Nearly fell asleep at my work desk, your voice makes me feel sleeeeeeeepy.
😂
Set all his videos at 1.25× speed.... thank me later 😅😎
Nicolas Dujardin or dont watch it and watch someone else for the same topic. you may think theres no harm but u might make the guy self conscious about the way he speaks
@@honestgamez1511 thats really not my intention, i love his content !
It was for all the people saying they are falling asleep from his voice... on 1.25 speed its a bit faster, but i'm always watching him on normal speed...
He’d be a great hypnotist
_"Who Created Engineers ?"_
Ridley Scott
he bit off way more than what he could chew
@Masoom Launda People want to see aliens NOT predators NOT engineers NOt answering God questions or "where do we come from?". Dun insult the first two movies because your favorite movie director is way pass his prime.
The first movie is not entirely made by this shyt director, go check. The story, script and setting was done already.
@Masoom Launda Hi, btw, go search RUclips and the Internet, see who agrees with you. Ok bye.
But who created Ridley Scott?
The xenos creating Engineers resolves for me the mural of the xeno inside the temple or ship, although it introduces more questions. Regardless, the search for answers and reading others’ theories is more than half the fun.
I prefer the scenario where the Engineer comes before the Alien. It’s tough, though. I think the second origin story would be a more difficult but even more fascinating yarn.
They could wrap up the first idea in one movie within a few minutes. The second would take a few movies to tell…a few movies I would LOVE to see.
Didn't the movie say that our DNA match the engineers?
It doesn't match, there are lost of differences shown, what it DOES show is that there are matches IN our DNA to theirs, so it was not the same over all, it but it had some codes in the DNA that were the same.
the concept behind the engineers are the ufo-logically reimagined nephelim time who gave birth to Titans(fallen Angels in the period of Enoch till the Deluge in bible)
Those (according to the bible) “fallen angels” like the daughter of men back then 4000 BCE - 4200 BCE and want to have a sexual relation with them and make themselves children but that is not allowed for this type of creatures, and they do it anyway disobeying God laws . And results between human and angels was the birth of Titans.
So the Xeno’s related to nephilim
And the Engineers related to the Titans also called “warriors men of renowned”
Vh-Ali N-Teen wow.clever.
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Fallen angels.. the term is used alot and undoubtedly miss used alot too...
They were indeed angels. The fallen part is tricky tho. The question, when you shave all the fat off is this; A) Were the Angels not considered "fallen" until after copulation with human females and as a result become "fallen", as that was forbidden? Or B) were they "fallen" pre- copulation as a result of a prior violation?
I believe A to be correct Imho.
Vh-Ali N-Teen
That sounds like bad sci-fi.
I like the last theory and it makes a ton of sense. From the director's cut of Alien and Scott's commentary as the title sequence begins, he says that his vision along with O'Bannon and Giger who designed this monstrous beauty is that it hinted that the Xeno was something ancient, far beyond our comprehension. It goes hand in hand with cosmic horror and if this rode is taken (hopefully) it will also share parallels with Dune which is thousands of years into the future when humans have decided to train themselves over becoming dependant on tech which nearly destroyed them.
Great Video, love Alien Mythos 👍
I really like your first theory a lot but the second one with the way you connect it definitely sounds like something ridley Scott would go for
In Prometheus movie, those snake like creature was meant to depict the Snake in the Garden of Eden. Angels are Engineers, Xenos are Devils. This is the Book of Creation in a form of Scientific "what ifs".
calm down, first: mind the details.
Those "snakes like creatures" are not snakes at all, instead the result of the pathogen and the worms living in the room's ground in which the Weiland troupe alterate the breathable atmosphere.
If you rewatch the movie you will notice that, as one of the pathogen vessel was open, some of its content drop out and, eventually, start the history as we know it.
@@Manisora You don't have to take it literally. The whole movie is an analogy.
Good theory! 💀🔥
@@Manisora bruh it’s a movie created by humans. Inspiration usually comes from the oldest surviving book
I totally agreed. Hollywood stole this tale from the Bible. Correction though; the snake (Serpent) is symbolic of the Devil...or Lucifer… in the temptation scene.
That was actually a really good theory and makes the story even deeper than i imagined.
Excellent explanation.
I subscribed your channel.
Wow! Excellent!
the real question is how come the engineers suits is made in an elephant design.
bb and the aliens sound like elephants
I think it's because what we saw in Alien isn't an 'Engineer'. That wasn't a suit. But the Engineers suits are designed to look like those of their masters. Engineers are a slave caste bred/cloned from abducted humans, and sent to fetch more humans as raw material for the Xeno weapons program.
Indian Gods.
They tried to seed elephants on earth, then when humans became the apex species they got pissed and wanted to erradicate us.
Ezekiel that is a great theory I can see how it went down on the Engineer homeworld. "Let us see how our ultimate creation is doing. NOoo bipedial creatures have taken over the planet. They must be destroyed so our creation can prosper"
The second theory doesn't hold, because in Prometheus we learned that humans and engineers share the same DNA
IMO-To "share the same dna" could range as wide as the gap between mon/key & hu/man. *2 species sharing 100% of genetic id are 1 specia & any variables mark an individual's uniqueness; not another species.
@@dulcehaze2547 enought to see they are in the same species blood line not the same but closely related. The xenomorph look more like insects with exoskeletons than humanoid.
Keroft good job. EXCELLENT.
I hate art of almost all kinds, but H.R.Geiger's passing quite literally tore a hole in my soul. I would love to fill up my house with his art I could look at it forever...
Same, he tapped into premordial fears, beauty and humanity few artists have touched. 💀🔥
The easy answer is that Ridley Scott created the Engineers. :P
but who created Ridley Scott? ;D
@@randygreen81 thats easy....Chuck Norris
Haaha 😁
@@footclan8961 but who created Chuck Norris?
@@jayday1503 Carlos Ray Norris
Very powerful and informative theory. Makes a lot of sense and really alot we need to learn from the Alien series.
great info thank you for your video
This is actually a really good idea/theory
I love the speed. I can keep up when I'm toasted.
I think the original first xenomorph or "the Decon" was nothing like the xenomorphs we know now.
I guess the xenomorph God or Deacon was nothing like the Xenomorphs we know now.
Presenter's accent is AWESOME!!!
5:35 damn that's some cool art
where did "Predator" come from? They seem just as, or more intelligent than the engineers?
So, it's kinda of complicated, but Ridley ignores Predators in his universe.
I like to think like that: Alien's and BR's universe is canon in Predator's universe, but it's not the same way around.
They came from Missouri, U.S.A. Most Predators moved to Alabama and mated with their own sisters, mothers, aunts, grandmas, and neices. Alabama Predators became the Yautja.
Awesome theory, can't wait for more to be revealed.
I really liked to way u explain everything easly
Theories like this have to drive fans of Cameron's movie bonkers! LOL! I love it!
In my humble opinion, completely hypothetical is that the Engineers were created by a race very similar to themselves. A race that may have been going extinct and wanted to create a successor. A race that evolved naturally rather than by means of Uplift or other such engineering. The black goo was their eans of doing this, but they controlled the black goo with technology of some kind. When the Engineers, after many thousands of years, tried to do the same they turned to controlling the goo's processes by giving it themselves as a template, thus any race created by the Engineers in this way would have looked humanoid like them.
However, not having full control of the goo in a technological sense, they may have accidentally exposed other life forms to it and without the proper controls, the good made them incredibly different, like the Xenomorphs. The Xenomorphs are shown to be on purpose in these movies, but I think the writers made a big mistake there. I think they should have been an accident of evolution or an accident of genetic engineering.
all these theories are way more creative and satisfying than anything Ridley has come up with its sad
True. He mixed everything up.
I always believed that there were two factions of the Engineers that were at war with eachother and one created humans and were peaceful while the other created the xenomorphs and were evil. But I think that the theories in the video was pretty interesting
I learned a lot from this
Thanks
Geiger really inspired a lot of people with Geiger’s artwork! So dark!
I always wondered about Engineer suits and how tight they were! If they are part of their body, I think this shows progression down the DNA manipulation path. The Engineers with those suits could even be the offspring of the first Deacon's blood, almost a perfect mix, yet those increased violent tendencies are still there!
Wow,,. mind-blowing explanation.
Here after “Raised by Wolves”, let me say @5:39 really ties up the season for me. I’ve seen that snake somewhere before....
Uhh... Xenomorphs are VERY intelligent. They are not like dogs or cats. They can be trained, they can figure out how machines work, without only watching something a few times, they can figure out how to open a door with a button, and knew how to cut power and other things.
Just cause they don't verbally speak, and they kill humans and other animals on sight, doesn't mean they are stupid animals. Predators, the greatest hunters in the universe, hunt them in small numbers only for a reason, and always bringing backup and a plan to wipe out the planet if needed.
Imagine if this was a college course!
Wrx Sti u probably wouldnt be there
It would be nice
Wrx Sti What College? According to the Technology theory, there wouldnt be any books to read much less math and people would be so stupid using only technology, college would be useless. (You would instead watch a documentry) and that would be it... no more lectures and realy no room for a learning curve ?
Collective doctrine of the curriculums? It already is like that.
I find it quite pleasant.
Damn, these theories are really clever.
There is nothing wrong with your talking speed btw. I don’t know why people complain but I really enjoyed your videos.
I really like the second theory, and it enriches the whole alien concept.
I really prefer and believe the second theory that the Xenomorphs created the Engineer’s it makes so much sense! Great video, I love your Alien Prometheus & Covenant videos! 💖
in my opinion, leaving certain things unexplained or a mystery is better than trying to explain it. it leaves one to come up with their own theories and lore and leaves a whole world to explore, and is why people think certain franchises are great.
The theories and deleted scenes are much better than the movies !!
Fantastic....this second theory that u explained bring a whole new perspective about all Alien series, and whatever it's fake or nop (i really don't think that is this what Ridley Scott had in mind while creating this serie), this theory is pretty interesting to thinking about....thank you for this video!! (sorry my bad english, i'm Brazilian ^^)
Very intriguing theory, makes for an interesting alternative at the very least!
Awww he said he just reached 9k subs. Watching this with well over 100k. I love finding these sound bites in old videos
Excellent theory
They weren't worshiping the xenomorph. Many church's have large depictions of the devil in stained glass. That doesn't mean they're satanists.
It probably was the deacon on the mural, since that is the result of an engineer being used as a host.
LockSteady
Good point
It definitely was IMPORTANT to them, in some way/
Eivin Stensø nope its def not. its really complicated to make the deacon
They said engineer and human DNA is the same. Why ever would face huggers produce a different kind of Xenomorph??? If the black goo randomly evolves living things, then how would Xenomorphs even be a target for it to produce??? Something just isn't adding up. Unless, the design is already set within the black goo to produce a Xenomorph-like creature. and if that is so, then it really would not matter, not matter animals you started with, we end with Xenomorphs. So the eggs could come from a queen or the mutated bodies of animal victims. The black goo infects things and turns them into Xenomorphs. The other stuff it does can probably just be chalked up to poor writing.