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  • Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
  • Now that this year's edition of the Festival of Speed has come to an end, it's time to share with you some videos entirely dedicated to some of the cars I recorded. And I can't help but start with the one that surprised me the most in terms of sound: the Gordon Murray Automotive T.50s 'Niki Lauda'.
    The car is the track-only version of the T.50, which has been engineered to be the purest supercar ever by ex-Formula 1 designer and engineer Gordon Murray (the man who also designed the McLaren F1), celebrating his 50th anniversary of engineering and design.
    The road-legal T.50 has a naturally aspirated V12 engine this time developed by Cosworth (a 3,994 cc V12 called Cosworth GMA) which is able to produce 663 bhp at 11,500 rpm. It's linked to a 6-speed H-pattern manual gearbox. Redline is set at 12,100 rpm. The total weight of the T.50 in running order is just 986 kg.
    The T.50s 'Niki Lauda' is powewred by a redesigned version of the 3.9L Cosworth which has also been tuned to produce 770 hp at 11,500 rpm and it weight 12kg less than the one you can find on the road-going T.50. The engine is linked to a bespoke Xtrac six-speed sequential gearbox (with paddle shifters). Lot of work has of course been done to the aero package, suspensions and set-up side.
    The thing that most catches the eye is certainly the huge fan positioned at the rear and which of course references to the famous Murray-designed Brabham BT46B "Fan Car" Formula 1 car of the 1970s. Though the basic concepts are similar, the T.50's fan shares little with the BT46B one: electronically controlled and able to spin to 7000 rpm, it can increase downforce by 50 percent in its most aggressive setting, sucking air through ducts in the underfloor diffuser. This function is actually closer to what can be found on the McLaren F1. In fact that supercar had two small fans that acted on a small area of its rear diffuser.
    The road-legal T.50 essentially takes that concept and supersizes it. The fan can also be used to create a fill of air in the trailing wake, generating a sort of virtual long tail, reducing drag by 12.5 percent and increasing lift, which results in better efficiency and a higher top speed. All of this is done without a traditional wing or splitter. The T.50s keeps the 400mm fan but instead it only runs in a single 'High Downforce' mode.
    Listen to that amazing engine singing up to Goodwood's hillclimb course!
    #GordonMurrayT50s #GMAT50s #T50sNikiLauda
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    Camcorder: Canon Legria GX10 + Zoom H5, Sony FDR AX700 + Audio-Technica Microphone
    Event: Festival of Speed 2024
    Where: Goodwood, England
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Комментарии • 405

  • @Kazuki_Aozaki
    @Kazuki_Aozaki Месяц назад +212

    The silhouette clearly shows that Gordon Murray had perfected the ideal 'hypercar' as a concept 30 years earlier as the McLaren F1.
    The engine that resonates so well and turns so well that it shocks the heart, and the fan car system. A car worthy of the nickname 'Niki Lauda'.

    • @thesprawl2361
      @thesprawl2361 Месяц назад +5

      Not sure I agree about the silhouette. I wouldn't call either this or the F1 attractive. But that engine...holy mother of god. The road car T50 sounds quite polite to my ears, not very raw at all; it almost sounds like a siren in the way it slowly builds. This is absolutely savage and completely different.

    • @srinitaaigaura
      @srinitaaigaura Месяц назад +1

      @@thesprawl2361 12 throttle bodies, no emissions or noise norms. No sound deadening

    • @MuppetsSh0w
      @MuppetsSh0w Месяц назад +1

      It doesn't show anything. This car was just styled to look similar to F1. Some peoples reasoning skills blow my mind...

    • @cyberdemon6517
      @cyberdemon6517 28 дней назад

      ​@@MuppetsSh0wno it was not
      this is the mclaren f1 mk2, also made by mr murray

    • @MuppetsSh0w
      @MuppetsSh0w 25 дней назад +2

      @@cyberdemon6517 Meaning it was styled after F1 lol not because this is some objectively perfect shape for a hypercar...

  • @markmulder996
    @markmulder996 Месяц назад +58

    This goes right up there with the best sounding cars ever, not just the current ones.

    • @Felixbotero
      @Felixbotero 29 дней назад +3

      I’d argue it’s the best sounding v12 I’ve ever heard

    • @omii7846
      @omii7846 28 дней назад +1

      @@Felixbotero same

    • @gvoskin
      @gvoskin 24 дня назад +1

      Agreed. Better than any Ferrari

    • @sangbangerz
      @sangbangerz 17 дней назад

      @@gvoskin i'd say it's comparable with the ferrari fxx evo.. it has an edge as it revs higher and has a slightly higher pitch but the fxx has better sounding downshifts
      ruclips.net/video/NJbYA47qkSU/видео.html

  • @MrMlbfan6
    @MrMlbfan6 Месяц назад +96

    The way that thing moved yeah is special

  • @jrichey73
    @jrichey73 Месяц назад +51

    Wow!!! Looks and sounds INCREDIBLE.... I'm sure the performance is out of this world. Thank you GM/Cosworth team for keeping the V12 alive!!! Meanwhile, our F1 cars sound like a cheap vacuum sweeper...

  • @DUBaviator
    @DUBaviator Месяц назад +74

    I love that it looks like an F1.

    • @muhammadnaufalshidiq7360
      @muhammadnaufalshidiq7360 Месяц назад +12

      Exactly because it designed by the same person who designed mclaren f1 back then

    • @Roddy_Zeh
      @Roddy_Zeh 25 дней назад +3

      It's its true spiritual successor.

    • @srinitaaigaura
      @srinitaaigaura 23 дня назад

      Well of course both are done by Gordon Murray and he basically wanted to improve the F1 on everything he couldn't do last time.

  • @Nemoticon
    @Nemoticon Месяц назад +129

    It sounds like a swarm of angry bees and a big brass band mixed together... in a motorsport cauldron of witchcraft!!!

  • @superleggera1900
    @superleggera1900 Месяц назад +11

    The Niki Lauda screamed in person, it was so much louder than pretty much anything else that wasn't a crazy racecar like the Williams V10 F1 car.

    • @CliffNark
      @CliffNark Месяц назад

      192hp per litre at 770hp will do that for sure

  • @Buuster1999
    @Buuster1999 Месяц назад +213

    Sounds way better than the road-legal one!

    • @jortepap
      @jortepap Месяц назад +47

      X pipe exhaust gives it it that much better high pitched scream. Without X pipe it sounds like a trumpet :(

    • @Buuster1999
      @Buuster1999 Месяц назад +8

      @@jortepap You're 100% on the money :D

    • @oppos727
      @oppos727 Месяц назад +15

      Totally agreed. I love the T.50 but always found the sound underwhelming

    • @ethownzbh
      @ethownzbh Месяц назад +4

      Could barely hear the road legal one at full chat over this version just idling behind it lol

    • @axlepacroz
      @axlepacroz Месяц назад +7

      yeah the road legal one kinda sucks actually. more annoying than good sounding

  • @deltas4764
    @deltas4764 Месяц назад +12

    Words cannot describe how beautiful is that sound

  • @parpaing_1
    @parpaing_1 Месяц назад +42

    For long my favorite sounding car was the huayra R but since the fos it is now this machine.

    • @jortepap
      @jortepap Месяц назад +8

      Huayra R still has a better howl imo.

    • @cosmincristea9275
      @cosmincristea9275 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@jortepapur right the huayra howls better but this screama better

    • @otrz8009
      @otrz8009 Месяц назад

      Very close. This would be 2nd for me, the Huayra R is just something else.

  • @zounds13
    @zounds13 Месяц назад +43

    The Niki Lauda version is WAY better looking than the street-legal version.

    • @daviiaco
      @daviiaco Месяц назад +12

      It is lauda too

    • @uv77mc85
      @uv77mc85 Месяц назад +4

      The road version is not that great looking TBH, The track one is how the road version should have looked.

    • @robert7622
      @robert7622 28 дней назад

      @@uv77mc85 They both look a bit shit to be honest...

    • @mantasisganaitis2281
      @mantasisganaitis2281 28 дней назад +1

      @@uv77mc85 disagree

    • @hashiru86
      @hashiru86 28 дней назад

      @@daviiaco are you german? ;)

  • @PrimaryIgnition
    @PrimaryIgnition Месяц назад +4

    There's cars, then there's this car. This has no equal. Speechless.

  • @radicaIized
    @radicaIized Месяц назад +26

    Gordon Murray never disappoints

  • @thesprawl2361
    @thesprawl2361 Месяц назад +6

    Okay: this is it. This is the most extraordinary sounding road car ever made. It's made my mind up for me.

  • @casualobserver77
    @casualobserver77 Месяц назад +6

    T.50 and T.50s will go down in history as two of the all time greats
    GMA has the Midas touch.

  • @hypertube81
    @hypertube81 Месяц назад +7

    More of a screamer than a singer. Love it!

  • @Mile-long-list
    @Mile-long-list Месяц назад +16

    Holy guacamole that sounds good doesn't it ?

    • @zekeaffy9647
      @zekeaffy9647 Месяц назад +1

      Thats all 12000 rpm for ya

  • @Michael_Michaels
    @Michael_Michaels Месяц назад +24

    And just like this, Gordon Murray kicked the ass out of Ferrari with their triple X's special editions! Ferrari V12 just isn't LOUD ENOUGH!

    • @valastheman5128
      @valastheman5128 Месяц назад +4

      Go to sleep boy you can't compare a small company with the cup holder of V12s .
      Respect the daddie

    • @Michael_Michaels
      @Michael_Michaels Месяц назад

      @@valastheman5128 you _sound_ like a butt-hurt victim.

    • @uv77mc85
      @uv77mc85 Месяц назад +5

      @@valastheman5128 Cosworth made Ferraris V12s obsolete for 20 years from the 60s to the 80s. Cosworth were THE only engine to have until the Turbos started dominating. And then there are the BD 4 cylinder engines which dominated rallying from the 60s to the final version in the RS200 in 86. These engines were making 200hp naturally aspirated in 1970 rising to 750 hp when turbo charged in the RS200evo. And then there was the YB series which the sierra and escort cosworths had. These were all mass produced (relatively) cheap engines that were far beyond anything else of their times. BD still dominate historic RWD rallying.

  • @Xempt_One
    @Xempt_One 24 дня назад +2

    I bet that sounds so much better in person.

  • @johnnytopgun6414
    @johnnytopgun6414 Месяц назад +30

    Dario Franchitti gets to drive the coolest shiz

    • @HAL900032
      @HAL900032 Месяц назад +3

      cause he wont crash it.

    • @spydergkh6337
      @spydergkh6337 29 дней назад

      When I began watching, I did not know Dario was the pilot!!! He s a cool dude!
      That thing sounds Evil!!!

  • @robhills2613
    @robhills2613 Месяц назад +14

    Engineers of racecars don't care what it sounds like - but roadcar ones do.

    • @Bowseefuss101
      @Bowseefuss101 Месяц назад +1

      Not true with the Cadillac LMDh, they specifically engineered the sound and I’m sure an untold number of others were built at least with a modicum of attention given to the sonic qualities of the engine and exhaust

  • @Loothansa
    @Loothansa Месяц назад +67

    The rear end looks a whole lot better than on the road T.50

    • @lazrhawk
      @lazrhawk Месяц назад +13

      Yea, the wing absolutely suits it. Looks more cohesive this way. And I’m typically anti-wing

    • @RyanTang-sl2rj
      @RyanTang-sl2rj Месяц назад +2

      imagine if they have a long tail version just like the mclaren f1

    • @SmallBlogV8
      @SmallBlogV8 Месяц назад +7

      @@lazrhawk IMO it's less about the wing and more about the different rear body panels. The road car looks tall and heavy-set at the back, which jars with all the low, flowing curves of the rest of it. The S wraps around the fan and taillights in a way that's much better tied together with the rest of the design.

    • @srinitaaigaura
      @srinitaaigaura Месяц назад +5

      ​@@SmallBlogV8The Tail Lights are mounted very high on the road car which lifts the rear shoulders up by several inches. This was actually done to give more boot space for the side trunks I think, but the T50s lights are more perfectly placed

    • @demmersify
      @demmersify Месяц назад +1

      @@RyanTang-sl2rj But it IS a long tail.... that's what the fan is for! The extra aerodynamics/downforce produced by the fan give the same effect like a long tail body would. It cleans up the turbulence that would otherwise be there.

  • @dukedalington
    @dukedalington 22 дня назад +1

    That might be the best sounding car I’ve ever heard🤯🤤

  • @AaronDavies-ms3si
    @AaronDavies-ms3si Месяц назад +91

    Sounds 1000% better than today's f1 SHIT

    • @paburrito
      @paburrito Месяц назад +9

      man, it's been 10 years since F1 went v6 and people are still salty about it? I mean i miss the V10 and V8's just as much as the other guy, even nowadays a lot of cars sound better than them, but 10 years of the same ol sentence is getting a little old, isn't it?

    • @Albrecht-vg1qj
      @Albrecht-vg1qj Месяц назад +2

      +1

    • @tyler9703
      @tyler9703 Месяц назад +23

      @@paburrito Nope. Shit stays shit.

    • @NotKimiRaikkonen
      @NotKimiRaikkonen Месяц назад +5

      @@paburritoexactly. Can't watch a single F1 video without a million people making that same, tired vacuum cleaner joke. 🙄

    • @paburrito
      @paburrito Месяц назад +4

      @@NotKimiRaikkonen it just shows how childish some people are, unwilling to move on and just go back to the same old comment, it’s just tiring

  • @apancher
    @apancher Месяц назад +9

    Think of showing up to a local trackday with that thing.

  • @GordonMurrayAutomotive
    @GordonMurrayAutomotive Месяц назад +6

    🙏

  • @MTheoOA
    @MTheoOA Месяц назад +1

    Best sound for legal and track cars. This man is the king.

  • @mayorofthenonsense
    @mayorofthenonsense Месяц назад +3

    This was the show-stealer. Nothing else at Goodwood (that I’ve seen) came close in terms of the pure energy and aggression of this thing. Everything from the styling to the engine noise to the performance is totally uncompromising. I just hope that in the years to come, we will be able to see these things being driven hard on tracks and circuits etc.

  • @JackScooter17
    @JackScooter17 Месяц назад +102

    cosworth are the best engine manufacturer of all time

    • @ventisette.
      @ventisette. Месяц назад +13

      *Second best, after Ferrari

    • @yousausage
      @yousausage Месяц назад +8

      Fezza aint doing no V16 pal

    • @nbain66
      @nbain66 Месяц назад +6

      ​@@yousausage this is a V12, which they do very well

    • @yousausage
      @yousausage Месяц назад +4

      @@nbain66 new Bugatti is powered by an 8 litre NA V16 from cossy. It smashes any Ferrari engine.

    • @nbain66
      @nbain66 Месяц назад +2

      @@yousausage who said anything about Bugatti? This is Cosworth vs Ferrari

  • @etiennecfourie777
    @etiennecfourie777 27 дней назад +2

    Thanks Gordon i'm sure Niki would have loved to make her scream!

  • @umaxi96
    @umaxi96 Месяц назад +3

    Those frackles when he goes off the gas

  • @ba2724
    @ba2724 5 дней назад

    That sound is perfection. Perfection.

  • @damienhh288
    @damienhh288 Месяц назад +2

    More McLaren than the whole current McLaren lineup) thanks for the footage, incredible as always !

  • @Ali.M
    @Ali.M Месяц назад +7

    Fantastic sound!

  • @mateusaurelius2546
    @mateusaurelius2546 Месяц назад +2

    The noise, the flames 🔥 😍

  • @motobrazzer1565
    @motobrazzer1565 Месяц назад +3

    Thank you for this video! ❤ It sounds mental!

  • @dantethomas7964
    @dantethomas7964 Месяц назад +7

    Sounds godly. Also looks VERY fast

    • @Shadowboost
      @Shadowboost Месяц назад

      And this is on rain tires

  • @STORM3SHADOW
    @STORM3SHADOW Месяц назад +2

    Glorious. Absolutely glorious!

  • @equalevolution5563
    @equalevolution5563 23 дня назад +1

    It's faster in the wet then most super cars in dry.. sounds incredible

  • @ryndrssn
    @ryndrssn Месяц назад +35

    that fast sequential straight cut gear shifts sound a lot better than manual shift

    • @parpaing_1
      @parpaing_1 Месяц назад +2

      I believe it is a double clutch not a sequential gearbox

    • @apancher
      @apancher Месяц назад +6

      ​@parpaing_1 It's an Xtrac, so definitely not a dual clutch. Dual clutches don't shift brutally

    • @parpaing_1
      @parpaing_1 Месяц назад +1

      @@apancher oh my bad

    • @myusername3689
      @myusername3689 Месяц назад

      @@apancher What is an Xtrac?

    • @ryndrssn
      @ryndrssn Месяц назад +1

      dual clutch do shift fast, but not as instant as straight cut sequential racing gearbox, they literally have explosive up shift ​@@parpaing_1

  • @stefanmaddock5516
    @stefanmaddock5516 Месяц назад +3

    As always, thankyou bozzy!

  • @Victory2F
    @Victory2F Месяц назад +7

    YES!

  • @andrewd1455
    @andrewd1455 10 дней назад

    Brings back memories of F1 in the 90's..... back when it was good.

  • @denalidriven1574
    @denalidriven1574 28 дней назад +2

    If aliens landed at that track got out of their space craft and heard this v12 they would immediately retreat

  • @markelliott585
    @markelliott585 25 дней назад

    Greetings from Colorado! Thanks for the wonderful show of all the hard work. Well done. Audio and video as always.

  • @johnnytopgun6414
    @johnnytopgun6414 Месяц назад +2

    Ridiculously marvellous vehicle

  • @yasuke8687
    @yasuke8687 Месяц назад +3

    A moment of silence for the ones covering their ears 💀

  • @LeeMooEez
    @LeeMooEez 28 дней назад +5

    Look at the smiles of those guy listening to that engine screaming 😂😂😂

  • @roshanjay7
    @roshanjay7 Месяц назад +2

    *Slow clap rising to crescendo*

  • @uncle_monty
    @uncle_monty 28 дней назад +1

    Well, looks worthy of the Lauda name... just badass...

  • @brettkoski
    @brettkoski Месяц назад +2

    Epic sound! Thanks Bozz!

  • @noroardanto
    @noroardanto 25 дней назад +1

    What a machine! - J. Clarkson

  • @Steve_643
    @Steve_643 29 дней назад +1

    That’s something special

  • @billcarpenter5271
    @billcarpenter5271 Месяц назад +8

    The Best Car on the planet!

  • @Lawrence-lc7pu
    @Lawrence-lc7pu 17 дней назад

    Looks so good with the window strips gone.

  • @gabrielbarcellos1036
    @gabrielbarcellos1036 Месяц назад +4

    Eu simplesmente sou alucinado nos carros da GMA ❤

  • @BlackSkullArmor
    @BlackSkullArmor 18 дней назад

    That thing was wailing down the road like a fucking banshee. Beautiful

  • @christianbastow9290
    @christianbastow9290 13 дней назад

    Beautiful thing.

  • @peterkulczycki6244
    @peterkulczycki6244 Месяц назад +3

    Awesome car.

  • @fokkerdude
    @fokkerdude Месяц назад +1

    Absolutely mad! Sounds like it's powered by the same Liquid Beelzebub as the Mazda 787 😈🏁

  • @TheRealDonaldClinton
    @TheRealDonaldClinton Месяц назад +1

    Beautiful!

  • @tinto278
    @tinto278 Месяц назад +4

    Holy moly. 👀🍿

  • @CountDankula0
    @CountDankula0 Месяц назад

    That sound is undeniable

  • @Peter-MH
    @Peter-MH Месяц назад +1

    Goosebumps!!..

  • @tobywonkinoby8916
    @tobywonkinoby8916 Месяц назад

    What a glorious sound!

  • @yurimolotov5886
    @yurimolotov5886 Месяц назад

    thanks bozzy, great content as usual

  • @duncanbleak3819
    @duncanbleak3819 Месяц назад

    Truly magnificent!

  • @TYGA909
    @TYGA909 20 дней назад +1

    What a car

  • @monty2045
    @monty2045 Месяц назад +1

    Thats a special car

  • @KaushikBala333
    @KaushikBala333 Месяц назад +1

    Now thats a real car in the last decade

  • @lorddoobsworth144
    @lorddoobsworth144 Месяц назад +7

    This is what Fiesta owners with a 'pops and bangs' map *THINK* their car sounds like!

    • @JamesGadbury
      @JamesGadbury Месяц назад +2

      Yeah, and the difference - this isn't synthetic. If it pops and bangs, it's the outcome of something deliberate & purposeful, not for show.
      /end technical analysis

    • @lorddoobsworth144
      @lorddoobsworth144 5 дней назад +1

      @@JamesGadbury I agree brother

  • @aglees2b
    @aglees2b 22 дня назад +1

    Instant classic

  • @thedalailmao
    @thedalailmao Месяц назад

    Thank God for binaural audio. As ever, Bozzy's the best.

  • @caleroby9483
    @caleroby9483 Месяц назад +1

    Glorious!!!!!
    Wow!👂😃

  • @melbguy1
    @melbguy1 29 дней назад +1

  • @matan2903
    @matan2903 29 дней назад +1

    Modern day McLaren F1 🔥

  • @shaikymandel7593
    @shaikymandel7593 Месяц назад +1

    Holy shhhiiit that sounds good.

  • @Marko-hr4rj
    @Marko-hr4rj Месяц назад +1

    One word and only. COSWORTH.

  • @tobytoxd
    @tobytoxd 18 дней назад

    Unbelievable!

  • @patriceimberdis1631
    @patriceimberdis1631 Месяц назад +1

    the T50s is 1000x better than all the productions of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, Porsche and McLaren combined, it is the lightest and the most beastly made by a real engineer who won everything in the person of Gordon Murray. thank you for reviving the myth of the Mclaren F1.💯💯🔥🔥

  • @flicewatter
    @flicewatter Месяц назад +1

    Awesome ❤️

  • @Outagetme23
    @Outagetme23 Месяц назад +1

    Would love to this set a nurburg ring lap time

  • @billyyank5807
    @billyyank5807 Месяц назад +1

    That thing screams!

  • @etcarief
    @etcarief 3 дня назад

    If only Nikki Lauda still alive to witness this car tho, i would really wanna see his reaction and opinion on it

  • @Manny32V
    @Manny32V Месяц назад +2

    my god what a sound!!!!!!

  • @JamesGadbury
    @JamesGadbury Месяц назад +1

    Thanks Gordon Murray and crew, for keeping the dreams of a dying (?) breed of dinosaur alive ❤

  • @philtner67
    @philtner67 Месяц назад

    I need to hear the Huayra R and T.50s side by side, over and over again....and guarantee I still wouldn't be able to choose.

  • @toxicgracie3772
    @toxicgracie3772 25 дней назад +1

    The perfect hypercar. F1 style body modernized, straight cut gear F1 type engine, aero, middle seat.... Omg I need a really rich sugar daddy 😂

  • @evansc3580
    @evansc3580 Месяц назад +1

    Naturally Aspirated, so responsive and alive.

  • @sinkrust1
    @sinkrust1 Месяц назад +2

    That thing is NASTY!!!

  • @DennisH22A
    @DennisH22A Месяц назад +2

    Say what you want about turbos filling in torque and electrification. You'll never convince me that there is anything better than a high revving NA engine

  • @robedge7670
    @robedge7670 Месяц назад

    What a sound!! Imagine that on the road 😂

  • @clueless4085
    @clueless4085 Месяц назад +1

    GMA DOES NOT MISS!

  • @ekfotos
    @ekfotos 27 дней назад +2

    Money can’t buy happiness my ass.

  • @plap.
    @plap. Месяц назад

    That is a great sounding machine

  • @coby00
    @coby00 16 дней назад

    My favourite sounding car just got bumped to the number 2 spot.

  • @G0UDIE
    @G0UDIE Месяц назад

    Wow 🙌 Is there a race or championship where we can see this beast perform its art?

  • @Alllineedisonemic
    @Alllineedisonemic 29 дней назад +1

    That's fuckin insane

  • @M-uq2jr
    @M-uq2jr 2 дня назад

    ANGRY BEES BABY!! 😎😎😎😎😎

  • @fladave99
    @fladave99 Месяц назад +3

    Lauda: I was hoping it would wind to 20k