the guy with 1100 hp supra should be in fnf movies he is a damn carbon copy of the great paul walker and let alone him is a furious looking driver just loved his mad tyre busting style .
Officially gassed. You need to contact full throttle performance and speak to the owner PS Al. He's by far the most powerful supra in the country and the fastest.. see if he would play.
Not a single one of them know how to drive. They all probably work 6 days a week trying to afford the car and drive it only on the weekends for a few hours cruising at grandma speed😂 no time to actually learn the car or they just suck
Even on airflelds most of those tyres are shite too. But odd to turn up with cars that just don't seem to work. Whether dodgy gear shifts, hitting trips all the time. If the car doesn't work, surely fix it before racing ?
The 780bhp sound check was the better sounding one imho. Great race and an almost good save! Glad to see minimal damage to the car. As the saying goes, 'Power is nothing without control'. Live to fight another day!
Thanks for having me on the channel Jamie! Hopefully I'll be able to come back in the future.. after I've had my gearbox refreshed with new synchros. I'll try and remain more calm next time lol.. because like many people have said - yes i did look absolutely terrified! 😂 It is pretty nerve wrecking being sandwiched between two 1000bhp+ cars though!
@jonathanb.1625 its an option of course. But sequential is only good for racing and i drive my car on the road as often as i can. This was my first time racing it competitively in this sort of environment.
Its no excuse, but driving these cars like this isn't easy. People seem to ignore that they are 30 year old cars now. They aren't like driving modern manuals
@@harleywhincop3739 Some people drives their car with a sequential on the roads It looks not to be as hard to drive. You just have to be gentle and love the gearbox wine 😂
And there is always a problem with one of the cars, I mean why show up if the car isn't in atleast 80-90% condition. The 3 gear on the the 800Hp supra is not so much of a problem. But one shows up with a car that cannot put the power down, the other one cannot make one clean run the whole time.
Brooo 😂😂😂just comented the same thing, its definitely guys who had everything built for them, have the money and kept on saying to the tuner "Give it more boost if it can take it" not knowing anything about cars that [ack power for prepped tracks.
I think that's a bit of an unfair comment. They are doing it on a private road, not the streets. That Getrag 6 speed is hard to snap gears, I own a R34 GTR and it runs the same transmission and it can be a c*** to drive hard at times, especially on a highly rated twin plate clutch, the thing drags and can make the gear shifts super notchy, so easy to miss shift into 5th. A few RUclipsrs who drive cars often have also money shifted with Getrags. As for the other bloke, he just had a unfortunate laps in judgement due to his poor launch, caused him to mash the throttle as a reaction and spun. He's human, adrenalin etc... It happens. No one here is a professional driver..
The Supra no doubt is a legendary car but after watching this race, I couldn’t help but appreciate even more the new M3’s that are running 1000bhp and perform faultless race after race. It just shows, it doesn’t matter how much power you have, if you can’t put that power down or the car performing as it should every time, there’s not much point to be running such crazy power.
M3 is a proper sports car. A supra is just a boat grand tourer . It's just like a mustang , completely shit handling and dangerous suspension unless you completely change it
These 3 Supra do no speak on all Supra in the world. These cars are old and require way more work to drive correct not everyone can master them dude they take FAR more talent to drive 10/10 then the any new M3.
@@banana-ui2qd Spoken like someone who has never been near a Supra, let alone driven one. "I have thought about this in depth of why said millennials repeat stupid like some parrot with turretts that found a key of crack stashed in it's nest. I couldn't figure out how every mainstream mag that tested the car against it's rivals said it was FAR superior to every single rival that I quote, " Supra is so competent on track its boring...it runs circles around the competition...the other cars (Viper RT/10, ZR1, Ferrari 512TR, Porsche turbo, NSX, RX7, 300ZX, 3000GT VR4) fall apart at the limit but the Supra is easy to drive all the way up to 10/10ths...best handling car for any amount of money...The Supra's brakes were the only brakes out of all the test cars that had a firm pedal after a week of thrashing it..." With reviews like that where the Supra wins the comparo every single time and is preferred we get these vapid vomitbots that putrify anyone's ears that will listen how the car is sooooo heavyyyyyy and handles like stink on a stick and _ is superior in every way. The epiphany came to me a couple of years ago as to why this switch happened. Millennials don't read publications. They watch videos and play video games. And they were mostly born after all these reviews took place. To them the only version of the car they know is in Gran Turismo, the movie which may not be named, and what idiots on the internet say about the car. In the US the cars that predominantly take up the airwaves are drag cars that have their balance crushed and modded to a drag bias for which naturally ruins the car. And then the FB groups took over for them vs SF for the same reasons their visual appetite is so narrow for attention only wild builds with record setting numbers even gets attention in that format. If a modest (balanced) car gets covered in that format, all the comments are from 12 yr olds who can't drive, "bleh, overrated, heavy, pos, slower than___" because their only interaction with the car so far has been the movie franchise that will remain unamed and record drag cars for FB headline attention grabbing posts, and a video game. Playing on Gran Turismo, I investigated why is the Supra considered heavy and slow. GT3, GT4, GT5, Prologe, GT6, and probably GT7 the Supra weight distribution in the game was intentionally changed for the worse. I know this due to Kazunori Yamauchi (game designer) did a press interview about the game Waaay back around the release of the GT2 after it had massive commercial success. It even had a section in sema where sema show winners were put in the game. Kaz said, "We biased tuned the older cars down so they wouldn't destroy the newer cars in the game that the manufacturers were debuting. If the old cars are better then the kids playing the game will buy the older cars instead of the new cars the manufacturers were coming out with" When I heard this, I didn't realize at the time what I was seeing was the bias he was talking about. We OG's know the real balance from the factory is 53/47 f/r weight distribution. In all the aforementioned game versions, the Supra has a 60/40 weight balance. The Supra is under-tired from the factory, and that is exacerbated in the game with that ugly weight balance. You can't change tire width in GT. You can lighten the chassis which makes the balance worse, and fix it with ballast. But then I found another problem. The tire friction cof. If I buy a R comp in the game on the Supra, the car will not grip the same as a R comp with another brand of car. I tested this with braking distance. We all know the Supra Turbo had the braking record for 12 years, but someone didn't like that fact in Polyphony Digital. So they changed the braking balance. The car flat will not brake equal to any car in the game on the same tire. I have even turned the brake bias all the way up in the rear to 10 and the rears wont break traction. If I go 100mph and do a panic stop in a GTR it will stop abnormally fast. In the Supra it keeps going, and going and will eventually stop. The only version of the car in the game was the JDM RZ which had OPTIONAL track brakes that all US spec Supra Turbos get so that means the car will have fade and trouble stopping on the N/A brakes. The calipers show that they are turbo but the car stops like a N/A. If you get any of Kaz's favorite cars that he says in the interview is the SL mercedes and GTR's you can expect over the top handling and traction that is so unrealistic you wonder if he swapped the Mercedes chassis with the supra. The SL is a POS on the track and handles and brakes like garbage. Its all over the place and the body control is non existent. I have driven a SL55 AMG IRL. It is a decent car but is miles from a Supra dynamics wise. In the game though it is miles better than the Supra. Makes hundreds more horse power (ROFL) has brakes, handling, body control, and tractable power even at over 1000HP+ lol. GTR - forget eveything about this car in the game is fake.The real life GTR has a 60/40 weight balance. In the game? You guessed right, it is 55/45. So the GTR was modified to be better numbers and traction than the real car, and the Supra was modified to be worse. It doesn't end there. In GT6 you put a small turbo on a supra it makes about 5xxhp. Medium makes about 944hp. Large turbo guesses anyone? 1000+? nope. 937hp. You read that right. The medium turbo makes more power than the large turbo lol. We are lucky to even get that much. The power in the Supra went from 1088hp in GT2 to 9xxhp in GT3, GT4 made 8xxhp and GT5 made 744hp. The crazy thing is the GT5 SC300 makes 789hp with the GE engine. So the GTE is less powerful than the GE and less powerful with a large turbo. Heck ALL the Jap sports cars mentioned above have had a premimum version in all the GT series except for the Supra to this day. The new GT7 announced a premimum Supra is going to be in the game, but I bet $$ they didn't fix what you can't see; which is the chassis dynamics. Talk about a sore loser Kaz. It is so painfully obvious to me now why the millenials are saying what they are saying. Unfortunately his bias was not limited to the Supra. The SC chassis is even worse. The car is even more under-tired than the Supra from the factory and that weight balance was changed from 57/43 to 65/35. Ballast won't fix it. The car is nearly undriveable in the game. FWD cars like the ITR or CTR are not even that bad and have a better balance than that. The SC is one of the worst handling cars in the game. MR2 Turbo, same story, chaser, aristo, basically all the Toyota cars are stink on a stick dynamically in the game except for the ISF. The ISF can and will run circles around any Toyota product in the game including the Supra and the LFA. If there is no manufacturer stroking here you can call me Mickey Mouse🤡🐭. The actual game is OK other than that, but honestly that is enough to ruin the experience for me completely. I don't buy the game to beat it. I buy it to drive my fav cars on tracks against other cars to relax, veg out, get seat time and keep my skills sharp. Unfortunately that will be relegated to a PC experience that I am afraid isn't any better. It seems all virtual versions of the Supra are modeled after the one in GT. :( Looks like this drivel will continue for some time until cars like BIGNUMTT and others like him get more mainstream attention and change the narrative back with actual old and new reviews. And call out Kazunori Yamauchi publicly for this discrepancy. Because bottom line, the way he crapped all over Eiji Toyoda's legacy is criminal. Eiji Toyoda was the passionate man that brought Toyota to the behemoth it is today with sheer passion and craftsmanship. Eiji was responsible for Japan competing with the world. After he passed away his replacement Katsuaki Watanabe in 2005 was then replaced after the acceleration scandal with the prius by the original founder's grandson Akio. Akio has not produced a single sporting product since he took the reins in 2009. Now we are going to have Kazunori highlight and prance this crack baby bastard child A90, GR86 and GR Yaris in GT7 further erasing the pride of Japan of Eiji's legacy over Akio's half baked lame slough attempt at a sporty vehicles that none of which are even made by Toyota. Encourage incompetent leaders mistakes and destroy competent passionate leaders triumphs, where have I heard this stink story before? Time to get earplugs..."
The ZF8 conversion is nuts! The way to go for a reasonable trannu upgrade if you don't want to go full dogbox or sequential. Probably a better daily too!
It all started at that launch which broke his concentration and affected his decision to play catch-up causing him to spin.. Series of unfortunate events. Glad he's okay! He did well to save that thing!
Wait... did you watch the same video as me?? At what point did he actually save anything?? The man just kept his foot in it... till it was pointing 90 degrees to the left of the runway before he lifted... then tried to somewhat countersteer but at that point he was just a passenger... it four wheel drifted through the rough before it dug in and nearly flipped over.... The man was extremely lucky... but at no point did he save anything. The first time he felt it move right he overcorrected massively sending it into a slide with way too much wheelspeed. Do that on a dragstrip... and you can say bye bye to your supra....
@@kenvanpassen9247 You're supposed to keep your foot in it, he lost it when he took his foot off - made a mistake. But he did counter into it in an effort to slow it down, and not flip the car. It is lucky for sure, but yeah thats what i was referring too when i said he did well to save that thing.
@@BNR_248 Nah man. He lost it overcorrecting with about 130mph wheelspeed. Then he let off.... And I know staying in it is the general advise... But when talking about a +1000rwhp automatic car on roadtires... "Staying in it" while you are wheelspinning in second or third, and than still staying in it when the car shifts increasing the wheelspin massively is 100% of the time going to result in a spin out... In that situation grip at the rear is the same as driving on Ice with the rear wheels only. Any minor change in direction is going to keep going in that direction.... No steering input can counter that. Had he lifted before the shift, he would've been able to catch it. The moment it shifted it was all over...
@@kenvanpassen9247 Ahh you're right, I just rewatched it, he did upshift... I thought he'd let off momentarily because the revs dropped and went back on then let off again. Yeah that wheel speed would've been pretty high and cause it to get squirrily.
Easily the most epic nightmare in automobile history. I'm melted by all the sound. Wishes all cars, drivers and the crew well. I'm already repeating this video 3 times before commenting.
I have a non turbo manual. Can't wait to throw a turbo at it. I don't even want anywhere near this power from mine. just 400-500bhp and all the turbo sounds and I'll be happy for life lol
@@LeoorLeonard tell that to Tesla. They have instant torque but put the power down every single time. I guess its the AWD and how heavy the car is that gives it traction.
I want to see these guys fix there issues and race again! I know the potential of these cars personally and this was hurting my soul to see their struggles!
I appreciate that finding a runway you can use with a perfect surface is bloody hard.. The cars here seem to bounce around, chucking up gravel, making traction a nightmare.. These guys have great passion for their cars, & they are rapid 👏🏼🔥
Supra boys crack me up haha . Class video man. Ive always said it to boys that wanted to go zf8 swap like mine, It completley removes the knowlege of what your wheel speed is. Its soo hard to control when it lights them up. Thats why i pushed to use thew AWD one and even then spinning all 4 gets verrrrry scary on zf8
Damn!!! That looked serious! Glad Keenan was alright. It looks like these guys just turned up to blow their cars up. Also, it is all very well claiming your car can produce 1200 hrsprs but if you can't use it, what is the point?
Overall - An advertisement for AWD cars. Supras are Japanese Mustangs.😂. As soon as I saw a guy with an over 1000hp in a manual on 20’s I knew it would run a similar quarter to stock Hyaundai I30N…
It actually got off the line pretty well a couple of times.... that man for sure is a driver... his car just let him down every time.... everytime he got into third, the thing boost cut or fuel cut.... not really representative of what that setup could do. And it will be for sure faster that a stock I30N .... But I know what you mean.... Over a 1000hp manual 6 speed on road tires on that surface will be a spinfest every time :D
That runway probably has less grip than your average dual carriageway, unless these cars are set up properly they're just gonna spin to the 1/8th mile with that power. They don't even do a burnout to warm the tyres, probably all running way too high of a tyre pressure too. These are 1000hp street cruisers trying to be drag cars and failing hard.
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You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about! Six speed manual Supras can run eight and nine seconds why don’t you stop yapping
If you want a Supra to put down power and make clean passes reliably you need a DCT transmission, drag radials and a conservative boost by gear set up.
Watching this actually proved to me how important proper bucket seats and harnesses are when running high horsepower. You could see the driver of the car that span actually nearly out of his seat which IMO contributed to the lack of control on the steering to keep it straight!!!
The 780hp car to me was perfect. That ZF trans swapped car is no joke tho. It's a fabulous transmission. It's quick, gear ratios are on point and it's very enjoyable to drive when you just want to cruise around normally.
is why ill race anyone with my subaru on the street. its only mild 430whp but ive only lost once to a high hp car and it was on radials. smoked countless "million hp club" builds with it
@@drewallen7965 yeah that'd be quick in most street situations, most peoples subi's I know all blow though, 1 was good, other not so good lol, I like rwd for the drive style but under 100kmh like most street situations a decent evo or subi is hard to beat
Some people will never understand the real thrill of this car, it is a pure Spartan car that have serious issues with traction once you adding up power.. The exact thing at 10:42 happen to me on a straight road but with much less power and thank god, it was a save of the century!
Not gonna lie this was not fun to watch, we didn't see a proper race. Regarding the accident, that could've gone much worse REAL quick, man was lucky there. Most importantly he is fine. Would definitely love to see these cars go head 2 head again when all of their issues are dealt with.
The t56 has way too long ratios. You need to run a 4.1 diff for them to be usable, Instead of the 3.2 strong diff in the turbo manual supra. Tr6060 is better
@@755hp there's not good options for something strong though. If you're not running a b03b, you need a Grannas Racing 9" setup or a full billet version of the 8" a03b/a02b which is bloody expensive. I'd rather just stay with the b03b than keep blowing diffs. How much power are you running through yours?
The Toyota's Supra aren't the faster cars in the world but when modified the surely are in the Top 10 that put a smile in your face like no others, it's really pure to drive it not a lot of controls that cut your driving pleasure.
A few tips for new racers. Spinning ain’t winning Clean shifting is fast shifting An 1/8th mile race is getting to bang the girl of your dreams but you don’t get to nut. If you rebuild a classic car; you get the brakes working before the engine.
Kinda disagree on the last part.. mybe if your taking it to the track then yeah .. but one or two pulls on a stock brake system to show off to some mates isn't gonna make or break nun
@@CostaMokola Oh you really should, even my Mrs enjoys watching VGG, we've even adopted some of his lingo without realising it, I now refer to an alternator as a chargerwhirler and my battery in now a 'lightning cube'. Sketchy is his baseline
Wow jamie the dramas of drag racing. Im just glad the ZF driver came out of that unscathed and his car hasnt taken much damage. Great 3 way show down on the roll races though. Nice match up again and want to see them all back once they sorted all the faults. ❤❤
The Supra was my childhood dream car, i used to froth over them so hard… then i became an adult and realised they are absolutely SHIT. Except the engine. Plus 90% of the owners cant drive for their fkn life & put some stupid license plate that has to involve “2jz”
Even the engine isn't all that impressive. In its day it was just easy to make 450hp+ with and the community around it went nuts with big singles for highway runs.
@@rpw2003 that’s the most ignorant statement ive ever heard… tell me one car a supra can out-gun in any scenario?… Drag racing - Gtr / evo / modern germans / v8’s can do better at any level Circuit - almost anything. it’s a cool car, but its rubbish. Shown easily in this video. The fact that people are converting them to zf8 just to have some form of advantage proves it.
@@Jay_emm Obviously got some hate towards it for some reason. Must be p1ssed that you will never be able to own one now. Show me an Evo that's doing quarter mile in 5 seconds? You will always get people that change engines for whatever reason, nothing new there.
@@rpw2003 ooh nice one kid, the old “ i cant afford it” argument 😂 btw, your “supra” thats running 5’s… it aint a supra anymore 🤷🏽♂️ just the body remains. Got anything substantial to back your claims kid ?
Think what we can see from the street / no prep surface and different cars and powers is that rwd 750>850bhp is the sweet spot, awd 800>1100bhp and for us fwd lads it’s 450>600bhp is our sweet spot. Absolutely mental battle this one was Jamie! Got some mad looking screen shots of the guy with steering wheel on full opposite lock while the car is completely side ways and you can see the rear of the other cars from his drivers side window 😂.
Honestly that would only be fun a couple times a month on a safe track in case you lose control. I would think a 650-750hp supra would be amazing at all times
Holy cow, Glade the guy was safe and the it's great to see the only damage was the tires eating dirt and grass, other than that Great job low power Supra, tould love to see a real sorted supra on there
Some of you who complain that they're doing 12s quarter, this is not a PlayStation game, look at the road surface 😂😂 it's not exactly glued santa pod strip is it?? EKS tuning Supra is the clear winner, Check out their other projects 🔥🔥🔥
My money was always on the under dog 🐶 and to be honest from the second I heard it at the start I was hooked sounds the best 🎉 as always brother remember the name 🇿🇼🇬🇧
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Bro I know a granny with a mk4 supra it's evil. She lives not far from me and you.
the guy with 1100 hp supra should be in fnf movies he is a damn carbon copy of the great paul walker and let alone him is a furious looking driver just loved his mad tyre busting style .
Are we doing drag racing ?
Why not race them around the track and show the handling and power
Officially gassed. You need to contact full throttle performance and speak to the owner PS Al. He's by far the most powerful supra in the country and the fastest.. see if he would play.
Next time please bring professional driver to race...the driver is actually lack of driving skill and clutch shifting skill ..take not please
This wasn't a race, this was a competition to see which was the most reliable car amongst 3 unreliable builds.
Damn, you right!
I loveeer this cat broski
The 780hp one looked the best and was the most driveable... the other 2 were are too crazy, almost undriveable on power
nope ZF is very good but driver is poor
Not a single one of them know how to drive. They all probably work 6 days a week trying to afford the car and drive it only on the weekends for a few hours cruising at grandma speed😂 no time to actually learn the car or they just suck
@@Gol.D.monkey514lmfao 🤣
There is never enough horsepower, just not enough traction. Carroll Shelby
bro all three drove like shit. If this was an ad for "why you don't want a modified mk4", they nailed it.
Just proves that 1000hp + on the dyno does not translate to the street too well without Mickey Thompson drag slicks.
All he needs is boost by gear
@@tony_rd1941 Yes sir!
Ridiculous to build something so crazy without suspension, chassis, brake system and tire upgrades. Everyone just goes power.
Even on airflelds most of those tyres are shite too. But odd to turn up with cars that just don't seem to work. Whether dodgy gear shifts, hitting trips all the time. If the car doesn't work, surely fix it before racing ?
@@tony_rd1941agreed and a working suspension optimized for drag racing.
10:37 that „woohr bobbob“ saved him 😂👌🏼
😂😂😂😂
Sounds like he hit his own limiter😂
😂😂😂
I. Agree. That. Woohr. Bobbob saved him
100% the leaning of his body to the left saved it!!
The 780bhp sound check was the better sounding one imho. Great race and an almost good save! Glad to see minimal damage to the car. As the saying goes, 'Power is nothing without control'.
Live to fight another day!
it sounded too farty for me.
Nah the 1200 sounded the best
I'm totally agree
I agree
1200 sounds like an actual supra. Distinct supra sound and not just loud fart box like the other two
Thanks for having me on the channel Jamie!
Hopefully I'll be able to come back in the future.. after I've had my gearbox refreshed with new synchros.
I'll try and remain more calm next time lol.. because like many people have said - yes i did look absolutely terrified! 😂
It is pretty nerve wrecking being sandwiched between two 1000bhp+ cars though!
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Why not upgrade for a sequential gearbox? 👀 (Without speaking cost)
@jonathanb.1625 its an option of course. But sequential is only good for racing and i drive my car on the road as often as i can. This was my first time racing it competitively in this sort of environment.
Its no excuse, but driving these cars like this isn't easy. People seem to ignore that they are 30 year old cars now. They aren't like driving modern manuals
@@harleywhincop3739 Some people drives their car with a sequential on the roads
It looks not to be as hard to drive. You just have to be gentle and love the gearbox wine 😂
call me whatever you want, but I just can't understand how the owners come to a race and display such a lack of know how to drive their own cars 🤣
And there is always a problem with one of the cars, I mean why show up if the car isn't in atleast 80-90% condition. The 3 gear on the the 800Hp supra is not so much of a problem. But one shows up with a car that cannot put the power down, the other one cannot make one clean run the whole time.
Brooo 😂😂😂just comented the same thing, its definitely guys who had everything built for them, have the money and kept on saying to the tuner "Give it more boost if it can take it" not knowing anything about cars that [ack power for prepped tracks.
I think that's a bit of an unfair comment. They are doing it on a private road, not the streets. That Getrag 6 speed is hard to snap gears, I own a R34 GTR and it runs the same transmission and it can be a c*** to drive hard at times, especially on a highly rated twin plate clutch, the thing drags and can make the gear shifts super notchy, so easy to miss shift into 5th. A few RUclipsrs who drive cars often have also money shifted with Getrags. As for the other bloke, he just had a unfortunate laps in judgement due to his poor launch, caused him to mash the throttle as a reaction and spun. He's human, adrenalin etc... It happens. No one here is a professional driver..
@@BNR_248 what I think is unfair, is that they have the money and not the skills to drive the cars 🤣
That's why it is sometimes easier to stick with a reliable responsive mid power setup which can be driven quickly at 80% effort as well
The Supra no doubt is a legendary car but after watching this race, I couldn’t help but appreciate even more the new M3’s that are running 1000bhp and perform faultless race after race. It just shows, it doesn’t matter how much power you have, if you can’t put that power down or the car performing as it should every time, there’s not much point to be running such crazy power.
M3 is a proper sports car. A supra is just a boat grand tourer . It's just like a mustang , completely shit handling and dangerous suspension unless you completely change it
These 3 Supra do no speak on all Supra in the world. These cars are old and require way more work to drive correct not everyone can master them dude they take FAR more talent to drive 10/10 then the any new M3.
@@banana-ui2qdM3 is boring with loads if driver aides , rather have a Supra or a Mustang , and Supra stock did handle well
@@banana-ui2qdwhich m3 are we talking bout? Becoz those supra are 90s relics. The spec r quite different to compare with new m3🙄
@@banana-ui2qd Spoken like someone who has never been near a Supra, let alone driven one.
"I have thought about this in depth of why said millennials repeat stupid like some parrot with turretts that found a key of crack stashed in it's nest. I couldn't figure out how every mainstream mag that tested the car against it's rivals said it was FAR superior to every single rival that I quote, " Supra is so competent on track its boring...it runs circles around the competition...the other cars (Viper RT/10, ZR1, Ferrari 512TR, Porsche turbo, NSX, RX7, 300ZX, 3000GT VR4) fall apart at the limit but the Supra is easy to drive all the way up to 10/10ths...best handling car for any amount of money...The Supra's brakes were the only brakes out of all the test cars that had a firm pedal after a week of thrashing it..." With reviews like that where the Supra wins the comparo every single time and is preferred we get these vapid vomitbots that putrify anyone's ears that will listen how the car is sooooo heavyyyyyy and handles like stink on a stick and _ is superior in every way.
The epiphany came to me a couple of years ago as to why this switch happened. Millennials don't read publications. They watch videos and play video games. And they were mostly born after all these reviews took place. To them the only version of the car they know is in Gran Turismo, the movie which may not be named, and what idiots on the internet say about the car. In the US the cars that predominantly take up the airwaves are drag cars that have their balance crushed and modded to a drag bias for which naturally ruins the car. And then the FB groups took over for them vs SF for the same reasons their visual appetite is so narrow for attention only wild builds with record setting numbers even gets attention in that format. If a modest (balanced) car gets covered in that format, all the comments are from 12 yr olds who can't drive, "bleh, overrated, heavy, pos, slower than___" because their only interaction with the car so far has been the movie franchise that will remain unamed and record drag cars for FB headline attention grabbing posts, and a video game.
Playing on Gran Turismo, I investigated why is the Supra considered heavy and slow. GT3, GT4, GT5, Prologe, GT6, and probably GT7 the Supra weight distribution in the game was intentionally changed for the worse. I know this due to Kazunori Yamauchi (game designer) did a press interview about the game Waaay back around the release of the GT2 after it had massive commercial success. It even had a section in sema where sema show winners were put in the game. Kaz said, "We biased tuned the older cars down so they wouldn't destroy the newer cars in the game that the manufacturers were debuting. If the old cars are better then the kids playing the game will buy the older cars instead of the new cars the manufacturers were coming out with" When I heard this, I didn't realize at the time what I was seeing was the bias he was talking about.
We OG's know the real balance from the factory is 53/47 f/r weight distribution. In all the aforementioned game versions, the Supra has a 60/40 weight balance. The Supra is under-tired from the factory, and that is exacerbated in the game with that ugly weight balance. You can't change tire width in GT. You can lighten the chassis which makes the balance worse, and fix it with ballast. But then I found another problem. The tire friction cof. If I buy a R comp in the game on the Supra, the car will not grip the same as a R comp with another brand of car. I tested this with braking distance. We all know the Supra Turbo had the braking record for 12 years, but someone didn't like that fact in Polyphony Digital. So they changed the braking balance. The car flat will not brake equal to any car in the game on the same tire. I have even turned the brake bias all the way up in the rear to 10 and the rears wont break traction. If I go 100mph and do a panic stop in a GTR it will stop abnormally fast. In the Supra it keeps going, and going and will eventually stop. The only version of the car in the game was the JDM RZ which had OPTIONAL track brakes that all US spec Supra Turbos get so that means the car will have fade and trouble stopping on the N/A brakes. The calipers show that they are turbo but the car stops like a N/A.
If you get any of Kaz's favorite cars that he says in the interview is the SL mercedes and GTR's you can expect over the top handling and traction that is so unrealistic you wonder if he swapped the Mercedes chassis with the supra. The SL is a POS on the track and handles and brakes like garbage. Its all over the place and the body control is non existent. I have driven a SL55 AMG IRL. It is a decent car but is miles from a Supra dynamics wise. In the game though it is miles better than the Supra. Makes hundreds more horse power (ROFL) has brakes, handling, body control, and tractable power even at over 1000HP+ lol.
GTR - forget eveything about this car in the game is fake.The real life GTR has a 60/40 weight balance. In the game? You guessed right, it is 55/45. So the GTR was modified to be better numbers and traction than the real car, and the Supra was modified to be worse. It doesn't end there. In GT6 you put a small turbo on a supra it makes about 5xxhp. Medium makes about 944hp. Large turbo guesses anyone? 1000+? nope. 937hp. You read that right. The medium turbo makes more power than the large turbo lol. We are lucky to even get that much. The power in the Supra went from 1088hp in GT2 to 9xxhp in GT3, GT4 made 8xxhp and GT5 made 744hp. The crazy thing is the GT5 SC300 makes 789hp with the GE engine. So the GTE is less powerful than the GE and less powerful with a large turbo. Heck ALL the Jap sports cars mentioned above have had a premimum version in all the GT series except for the Supra to this day. The new GT7 announced a premimum Supra is going to be in the game, but I bet $$ they didn't fix what you can't see; which is the chassis dynamics. Talk about a sore loser Kaz. It is so painfully obvious to me now why the millenials are saying what they are saying.
Unfortunately his bias was not limited to the Supra. The SC chassis is even worse. The car is even more under-tired than the Supra from the factory and that weight balance was changed from 57/43 to 65/35. Ballast won't fix it. The car is nearly undriveable in the game. FWD cars like the ITR or CTR are not even that bad and have a better balance than that. The SC is one of the worst handling cars in the game. MR2 Turbo, same story, chaser, aristo, basically all the Toyota cars are stink on a stick dynamically in the game except for the ISF. The ISF can and will run circles around any Toyota product in the game including the Supra and the LFA. If there is no manufacturer stroking here you can call me Mickey Mouse🤡🐭.
The actual game is OK other than that, but honestly that is enough to ruin the experience for me completely. I don't buy the game to beat it. I buy it to drive my fav cars on tracks against other cars to relax, veg out, get seat time and keep my skills sharp. Unfortunately that will be relegated to a PC experience that I am afraid isn't any better. It seems all virtual versions of the Supra are modeled after the one in GT. :(
Looks like this drivel will continue for some time until cars like BIGNUMTT and others like him get more mainstream attention and change the narrative back with actual old and new reviews. And call out Kazunori Yamauchi publicly for this discrepancy. Because bottom line, the way he crapped all over Eiji Toyoda's legacy is criminal. Eiji Toyoda was the passionate man that brought Toyota to the behemoth it is today with sheer passion and craftsmanship. Eiji was responsible for Japan competing with the world. After he passed away his replacement Katsuaki Watanabe in 2005 was then replaced after the acceleration scandal with the prius by the original founder's grandson Akio. Akio has not produced a single sporting product since he took the reins in 2009. Now we are going to have Kazunori highlight and prance this crack baby bastard child A90, GR86 and GR Yaris in GT7 further erasing the pride of Japan of Eiji's legacy over Akio's half baked lame slough attempt at a sporty vehicles that none of which are even made by Toyota.
Encourage incompetent leaders mistakes and destroy competent passionate leaders triumphs, where have I heard this stink story before? Time to get earplugs..."
Dude when it nearly flipped old mate was leaning in his seat 😮
Never seen someone struggle to change gears as much as the guy in the grey north face hoodie
Spoiler blocker
You absolute life saver
Legendary work. Jeebus loves you.
Black supra is the winner
Thank you sir 🙏🏾 💪🏾
Thanks man 👍🏻
The ZF8 conversion is nuts! The way to go for a reasonable trannu upgrade if you don't want to go full dogbox or sequential. Probably a better daily too!
Yeah there a great upgrade and strong too.
still dogbox or sequential or even a DCT would be better for drag racing
@@grp5ltdot2024 & it's not like an 8hp swap is cheap
As soon as that ZF Supra went into 3rd smashing limiter and him counter steering already, I was like :O !! Glad it didnt flip and he's OK. Sketchy!
Wow, 3 different setups and all are lovely… 🇹🇷 Ah be Kenan… Efsane aracın var kardeşim.
the zf-8 swap whata machine😂 jamie get that on again please
The 780bhp sounds the best, by far.
It all started at that launch which broke his concentration and affected his decision to play catch-up causing him to spin.. Series of unfortunate events. Glad he's okay! He did well to save that thing!
@@MyRealName he just kept his foot in, no fcks given 🤣
scary to think he is driving this thing on public roads
Wait... did you watch the same video as me?? At what point did he actually save anything?? The man just kept his foot in it... till it was pointing 90 degrees to the left of the runway before he lifted... then tried to somewhat countersteer but at that point he was just a passenger... it four wheel drifted through the rough before it dug in and nearly flipped over.... The man was extremely lucky... but at no point did he save anything. The first time he felt it move right he overcorrected massively sending it into a slide with way too much wheelspeed. Do that on a dragstrip... and you can say bye bye to your supra....
@@kenvanpassen9247 You're supposed to keep your foot in it, he lost it when he took his foot off - made a mistake. But he did counter into it in an effort to slow it down, and not flip the car. It is lucky for sure, but yeah thats what i was referring too when i said he did well to save that thing.
@@BNR_248 Nah man. He lost it overcorrecting with about 130mph wheelspeed. Then he let off.... And I know staying in it is the general advise... But when talking about a +1000rwhp automatic car on roadtires... "Staying in it" while you are wheelspinning in second or third, and than still staying in it when the car shifts increasing the wheelspin massively is 100% of the time going to result in a spin out... In that situation grip at the rear is the same as driving on Ice with the rear wheels only. Any minor change in direction is going to keep going in that direction.... No steering input can counter that. Had he lifted before the shift, he would've been able to catch it. The moment it shifted it was all over...
@@kenvanpassen9247 Ahh you're right, I just rewatched it, he did upshift... I thought he'd let off momentarily because the revs dropped and went back on then let off again. Yeah that wheel speed would've been pretty high and cause it to get squirrily.
I'd have the one with the grippy tyres. Seems the most reliable and looks cleaner than the other 2
Couldn’t agree more. I’d rather be banging gears in a lower powered manual than have an auto high hp car every day
7:21 that clutch kick tho
This is definitely something you should not do when drag racing a over powered car, after all you are not trying to drift you are trying to gain speed
That’s when you know someone can’t drive, clutch kicking a 1200 horse power roll racing?😂 that’s what anti-lag is invented for
😂
Easily the most epic nightmare in automobile history. I'm melted by all the sound. Wishes all cars, drivers and the crew well. I'm already repeating this video 3 times before commenting.
the zf8 guy is just chilling in there 😂
Affi somewhere laughing at this lot sending it
10:45 broooo needs a porta-loo on the track for moments like that🤣🤣
Big tire guy seems like he built it himself, he knows his car and will always win against the people who pay to play but don't know their cars.
I have a non turbo manual. Can't wait to throw a turbo at it. I don't even want anywhere near this power from mine. just 400-500bhp and all the turbo sounds and I'll be happy for life lol
@@JordieMotive that power is the absolute sweet spot for the street. See my post.
From what I hear turboing a non turbo supra will need some custom fabwork to be done... still, can be done, won't be cheap though. ;)
@@kenvanpassen9247 not really there's a bolt on kit that gives 350 bhp, no mods.
@@LeoorLeonard tell that to Tesla. They have instant torque but put the power down every single time. I guess its the AWD and how heavy the car is that gives it traction.
@@JacesOwnWorldit’s the computers that put the power down the way Tesla does. Technology has taken the lead role in traction
One of the most entertaining drags I've seen in a LONG time. And I've seen quite a few. (OK and I love them Supra's) Thanks OG.
number 3 sounds fire
I want to see these guys fix there issues and race again! I know the potential of these cars personally and this was hurting my soul to see their struggles!
that is the LUCKIEST save I've ever seen 10:25
He didn’t save it though 🤷🏻♀️😂
@@darrylappleby3983 Yeah was thinking the same.... he was lucky though... extremely so... but no saving happened here :D
He was a passenger that whole time lmao there was no save made there at all
Definitely lucky, though far from a save
That wasn't a save bud lol
I appreciate that finding a runway you can use with a perfect surface is bloody hard.. The cars here seem to bounce around, chucking up gravel, making traction a nightmare..
These guys have great passion for their cars, & they are rapid 👏🏼🔥
That spin off in the field reminded me of the Clarkson M135i spin on Top Gear and when it nearly tipped I was like shiiiiiiiit! 😮💨
Supra boys crack me up haha . Class video man. Ive always said it to boys that wanted to go zf8 swap like mine, It completley removes the knowlege of what your wheel speed is. Its soo hard to control when it lights them up. Thats why i pushed to use thew AWD one and even then spinning all 4 gets verrrrry scary on zf8
Dam what a crazy episode.
So glad it didn't roll over and had minimal damage
Can we get a MPS show down possibly in the future 🏁
Shout out to the lad in the lowest power supra he properly sent it every time
Big tire 780hp! Let's go
What do an 800, 1000, and 1200 hp supra all have in common? They all run 12's in the 1/4 mile
Still as true today as it was in 2000.
No if you can drive :) in 2006 in Poland supra made 10.9 on street, non dragstrip, with only 1250hp :D but really supra is best in rolls
😂😂😂😂
Dude its 1994 car what do you expect. No automatic transmission no launch control. No electronics. Just chill out.
@@sebkos88 Koenigsegg king roll race
Damn!!! That looked serious! Glad Keenan was alright. It looks like these guys just turned up to blow their cars up. Also, it is all very well claiming your car can produce 1200 hrsprs but if you can't use it, what is the point?
absolute beautiful timeless machine, imagine having 3 professional drivers for each of these beauty it would be an epic race
Cant believe that the supra won! 🔥🔥🔥
Ini can’t believe the black one won
which supra??😂😂
@@teksjin the black one bro, he smoked the other ones 😂
They're all Supra's.
They're sll black! 🤦🏼♂️ @@t98889
Coming from a lover of old school muscle cars....these things are insane. Love it!!!
How lucky was that guy !!!
3 supras lined up side by side is a superb sight to behold. 🤩😍
Overall - An advertisement for AWD cars. Supras are Japanese Mustangs.😂. As soon as I saw a guy with an over 1000hp in a manual on 20’s I knew it would run a similar quarter to stock Hyaundai I30N…
No fun.
It actually got off the line pretty well a couple of times.... that man for sure is a driver... his car just let him down every time.... everytime he got into third, the thing boost cut or fuel cut.... not really representative of what that setup could do. And it will be for sure faster that a stock I30N .... But I know what you mean.... Over a 1000hp manual 6 speed on road tires on that surface will be a spinfest every time :D
That runway probably has less grip than your average dual carriageway, unless these cars are set up properly they're just gonna spin to the 1/8th mile with that power. They don't even do a burnout to warm the tyres, probably all running way too high of a tyre pressure too. These are 1000hp street cruisers trying to be drag cars and failing hard.
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about! Six speed manual Supras can run eight and nine seconds why don’t you stop yapping
Not on street tires they dont.
The only one that had no problems with the car to begin with broke the worst like what a turn of events, craziest races I’ve seen on the channel😂🔥🔥🔥
Zf gearbox is just fire
And it's gone.......😢
Man. Hats off to the lads for the sheer sendings thats just crazy. The way the big power supra rattles the gearstick about😂. We need all 3 back.
If you want a Supra to put down power and make clean passes reliably you need a DCT transmission, drag radials and a conservative boost by gear set up.
to be fair i reckon keep the supra as it's supposed to be and get another car if you want dct etc
That was one of the craziest things I've ever seen on RUclips! Love the "wah wah bob bob" causally as its self rights too!
love your vids Jamie ❤
Watching this actually proved to me how important proper bucket seats and harnesses are when running high horsepower. You could see the driver of the car that span actually nearly out of his seat which IMO contributed to the lack of control on the steering to keep it straight!!!
How does the one with the least power sound the most powerful, and the most powerful sounded the least 😂🔥
Same as all fiesta or corsa drivers they all sound fast😂😂
Thanks jamie for always giving us some badass video every week. God bless everyone involved. Glad that's supra not going upside down
Good morning Sunday gassed gang you know whsts up 👊
The 780hp car to me was perfect.
That ZF trans swapped car is no joke tho. It's a fabulous transmission. It's quick, gear ratios are on point and it's very enjoyable to drive when you just want to cruise around normally.
Should rig up a zf 8 speed xdrive that'd be a game changer for a supra!! Front diff would be a big job though
I’m not sure it would fit without serious firewall/chassis modifications, better of just putting a 2j in something that already has all wheel drive.
a couple of gtr's in oz have gone that way
That was insane! That guy couldn’t come any closer to flipping his car 😳. Glad to see that he didn’t end up rolling and the car lives another day 👏
Bragging rights down at the pub with your dyno print out only gets you so far when you're doing a 14 second 1/4 mile burnout 🤷🏾♂️
is why ill race anyone with my subaru on the street. its only mild 430whp but ive only lost once to a high hp car and it was on radials.
smoked countless "million hp club" builds with it
@@drewallen7965 yeah that'd be quick in most street situations, most peoples subi's I know all blow though, 1 was good, other not so good lol, I like rwd for the drive style but under 100kmh like most street situations a decent evo or subi is hard to beat
Some people will never understand the real thrill of this car, it is a pure Spartan car that have serious issues with traction once you adding up power.. The exact thing at 10:42 happen to me on a straight road but with much less power and thank god, it was a save of the century!
Not gonna lie this was not fun to watch, we didn't see a proper race. Regarding the accident, that could've gone much worse REAL quick, man was lucky there. Most importantly he is fine. Would definitely love to see these cars go head 2 head again when all of their issues are dealt with.
Me shouting at the screen: RASSSSSSSSS 🤐10:36
3 supra in one drag race is insane 🔥 we need it more 🎉
780Hp Supra needs a Grannas T56 swap ASAP.
The t56 has way too long ratios. You need to run a 4.1 diff for them to be usable, Instead of the 3.2 strong diff in the turbo manual supra. Tr6060 is better
@@Skirk84 I know that; I have a Mk3 Supra and would only get a 3.9 or 4.1 diff coupled with a T56.
@@755hp there's not good options for something strong though. If you're not running a b03b, you need a Grannas Racing 9" setup or a full billet version of the 8" a03b/a02b which is bloody expensive. I'd rather just stay with the b03b than keep blowing diffs. How much power are you running through yours?
@@Skirk84 0Hp right now; vehicle has been down since 2020. Planning a T56 for the future instead of the R154 though…
@@755hp the life of a Supra... Mines running but at the shop. r154 are expensive for what they are. Look at the tr6060, t56's are old and meh.
The Toyota's Supra aren't the faster cars in the world but when modified the surely are in the Top 10 that put a smile in your face like no others, it's really pure to drive it not a lot of controls that cut your driving pleasure.
A few tips for new racers.
Spinning ain’t winning
Clean shifting is fast shifting
An 1/8th mile race is getting to bang the girl of your dreams but you don’t get to nut.
If you rebuild a classic car; you get the brakes working before the engine.
Kinda disagree on the last part.. mybe if your taking it to the track then yeah .. but one or two pulls on a stock brake system to show off to some mates isn't gonna make or break nun
@@CostaMokola you've been watching Vice-grip garage too long
@@spearhrower bro I don't know what that channel is but il give it a watch
@@CostaMokola Oh you really should, even my Mrs enjoys watching VGG, we've even adopted some of his lingo without realising it, I now refer to an alternator as a chargerwhirler and my battery in now a 'lightning cube'. Sketchy is his baseline
AT 10:39 when he said "Ahh oup oup" when the car is balancing on two wheels deciding whether to flip or not😭😭😭😭 as Jamie always says "MAD"
The black supra won
Are you sure?
Wouldn't of guessed
Wow jamie the dramas of drag racing. Im just glad the ZF driver came out of that unscathed and his car hasnt taken much damage. Great 3 way show down on the roll races though. Nice match up again and want to see them all back once they sorted all the faults. ❤❤
Only good for exhaust shots
The drivers werent ready for the show! but i appreciated seeing 3 Supras in one video!! MY DREAM IS TO OWN ONE!
13:69 with 1200hp😂 wauw
😲😲 didn't expect that at all! Like everyone else I thought that the big tire supra wud b the last. Love the series.
It's a , it's a, it's a, it's a supraaaaaa❤💯
Well done Harley, you underdog made respect homie from a GT-R owner 🤜🤛
This was painful to watch 🫣 , Talk about turning up underprepared 😐
unc is an inspiration fr
The Supra was my childhood dream car, i used to froth over them so hard…
then i became an adult and realised they are absolutely SHIT.
Except the engine.
Plus 90% of the owners cant drive for their fkn life & put some stupid license plate that has to involve “2jz”
Even the engine isn't all that impressive. In its day it was just easy to make 450hp+ with and the community around it went nuts with big singles for highway runs.
Yeah ok, talking nonsense. With the right setup and driver it will run rings around must modern cars
@@rpw2003 that’s the most ignorant statement ive ever heard… tell me one car a supra can out-gun in any scenario?…
Drag racing - Gtr / evo / modern germans / v8’s can do better at any level
Circuit - almost anything.
it’s a cool car, but its rubbish. Shown easily in this video. The fact that people are converting them to zf8 just to have some form of advantage proves it.
@@Jay_emm Obviously got some hate towards it for some reason. Must be p1ssed that you will never be able to own one now. Show me an Evo that's doing quarter mile in 5 seconds? You will always get people that change engines for whatever reason, nothing new there.
@@rpw2003 ooh nice one kid, the old “ i cant afford it” argument 😂
btw, your “supra” thats running 5’s… it aint a supra anymore 🤷🏽♂️ just the body remains. Got anything substantial to back your claims kid ?
Turbo Lamik, mistrzunio od sterowników skrzyń 8HP. Pozdrowienia z Polski 😊
this video is here just to prove that not everyone should have a supra , cant shift, cant handle rwd, cant launch... oh god, terrible drivers
Well done to all this shows how serious this is, whilst we all Smile during it #SPM smiles per mile 💪💯🙏
2:08 Value train 😅
LMAO! This video may feature some of THE ABSOLUTE WORST driving ever! HAHAHA!
YO IS THAT A SUPRA!
Think what we can see from the street / no prep surface and different cars and powers is that rwd 750>850bhp is the sweet spot, awd 800>1100bhp and for us fwd lads it’s 450>600bhp is our sweet spot. Absolutely mental battle this one was Jamie! Got some mad looking screen shots of the guy with steering wheel on full opposite lock while the car is completely side ways and you can see the rear of the other cars from his drivers side window 😂.
Way too much power. Especially on the 1000+ cars. Just a waste of time and money.
Without the right tyres it’s too much power
@@TescoRoadman and driver, and suspension setup, and tyre pressure etc. etc. lol
Honestly that would only be fun a couple times a month on a safe track in case you lose control. I would think a 650-750hp supra would be amazing at all times
Rolling High Speed runs are where the big power Supras shine, though beyond that its just bragging rights at car meets.
@@_Professor_Oak and surface, all of those things a high power 992 turbo s couldn't care less about
So happy for the guy in the big power turbo that he’s safe after that freak accident, things went left really fast
Big up Harley, mad to see someone I went to school with on here, keep smashing life bud!
Love how you didn't use him crashing as clickbait👌 always have the most underrated titles🤤
This whole video is “when you are so excited you forget how to speak” 😂😂😂
2JZ it can’t get any better than that 🔥🙌
These cars take real drivers . Respect
Holy cow, Glade the guy was safe and the it's great to see the only damage was the tires eating dirt and grass, other than that Great job low power Supra, tould love to see a real sorted supra on there
Look like they bout to steal a fuel hauler , tandem , lined up I love that shit!! Shit is tooooo cold😂
This was hilarious to watch, they look like they’re gonna fall apart at any moment🤣🤣🤣
Some of you who complain that they're doing 12s quarter, this is not a PlayStation game, look at the road surface 😂😂 it's not exactly glued santa pod strip is it??
EKS tuning Supra is the clear winner, Check out their other projects 🔥🔥🔥
Damn, supras look sick
1200hp sounded the best on the rev test. super smooth and silky
My money was always on the under dog 🐶 and to be honest from the second I heard it at the start I was hooked sounds the best 🎉 as always brother remember the name 🇿🇼🇬🇧
Now this is just pure madness 🔥. I like how the one with the most power sounds the most tame compared to the one with the least power😂
Daaaamn well that was a dramatic episode!! Great cars, shame all 3 couldn't get a clean run together. Grip wins the day!