The reason I keep watching reactions to this song is for that moment with the E5 belt at the end. That's when people who understand vocal technique tend to have their biggest reaction, and presumably for the same reason I did the first time I watched it. When she pulled that out, that's the moment I said to myself, this isn't just about a novelty or a gimmick. She's the real thing.
Agreed. That’s the moment I watch these vocal coach reactions for. It’s a quick switch from the growl straight into a great belt with range, and the vocal technique folks tend to notice.
@@csgowoes6319 Yeah, no one is perfect. I have little to no personal experience with the metal scream/growl, but I wonder about the stamina it takes to keep that up for long periods. The gender differences in vocal tract are more about size than fundamental structure, so I would imagine it's similar for men and women.
“I wasn’t ready” it never gets old. Great analysis and reaction. Liked and sub’d. A good follow up would be Perennial live at Wacken 2019. Jinjer live is simply mind blowing. Enjoy your journey down the Jinjer rabbit hole. 🍻🤘
Just like everyone else I was waiting for your reaction, knowing that you're a vocal specialist. My original plan for covid was to learn to improve my singing ability, sadly instead my mind decided that I needed to heal my childhood trauma instead & I have been sucidally depressed for 2+ years but it will get sorted & then I can work to improve my singing & I will have all this wonderful guidance from the youtube voice coaches I follow. I haven't watched to the end yet so you may yet comment but nobody seems to have commented about how JinJer & their families as a band are from the Donbass region of Ukraine which is currently being bombed flat by Russia. When Russia first invaded in 2014 they moved to Western Ukraine, which is AFAIK where they are still based. Given the Donbass is the heavy manufacturing area of the Ukraine, the interest in heavy metal seems obvious. Just as Detroit or Sheffield is big on heavy metal bands.
Except in this case its obviously a lie and she clearly knows its coming because its not her first time watching the video. Shame really. She can't even hide it, she verbally lets out that she knows what's coming on two occasions before the "surprise" and has the most obvious shit-eating grin just before she presses play again. I've seen toddlers that were better at hiding things.
Since she's Ukrainian she put a LOT of work into her enunciation. Her accent is really strong but you can't hear even a morsel of it in her singing. Her tone and softness is insanely impressive imo cause she just learned it by ear
I love her voice. I can hear a morsel of an accent on certain words. I'm a connoisseur of accents lol and if you listen hard you can detect it slightly on a few words. Every once in a while she'll have an interesting pronunciation of a word too. I dig it! But overall yes she is very clear in her diction and enunciation, both in her clean tones and her unclean tones.
English isn’t her first language and she has said she works extra hard to make sure she enunciates every word properly. She wants you to hear and understand her songs and not just see them as a gimmick. This is one of the most talented groups of musicians making music today and she truly appreciates the guys behind her make her even better and vice versa. They are crazy good!
The entire band is truly amazing. The amount of talent is mind boggling, and they all make it seem so effortless. Her song writing ability, breath control, pitch, etc, are all masterclass.
Watch her live to appreciate her vocal contrast. I recommend "perennial (live at waken)"or "judgement and punishment (vocal one take) " . Great reaction 👍🏻🤘🏻
Definitely recommend "Judgement and Punishment" (vocal one take) to the vocal coach reactors! It's a great side view of her while singing/screaming and also a clean recording to catch vocal phrasing and nuances! I love the concert stuff also. Often those are recommended either to prove that really is her voice (not a processed effect as some allege), or just because it is their personal favorite Jinjer song. Nothing wrong with that, and if Pieces and Judgement grab this vocal coach then I definitely think she should go down that rabbit hole of awesome live performances.
@@MrErikchaugen yes I know erik but when they hear the layering added later some are questioning I’m saying hearing tatiana in front of audience is a whole different thing and the vocal one take I’m not hearing layering myself added later are you? Im just wondering🤔
@@SuperClarky666 I was wondering the same,but it really sound like a simple harmonizer or octaver,wich can be used live also!!But i would love to hear her live,as you are not the first telling me she is amazing live!!
This was my introduction to Jinjer, and I'm a fan for life! Its' mind blowing how intense this song is at times, and yet all the band member are so relaxed. No one does it better than Tatiana. And the band, just amazing, the creativity, the timing, the lyrics, the talent, the amount of practice , just awesome. Amazing!
the Band is super technical and tight, then you have Tatiana is a vocal goddess...How she transitions from melodic to the growl and back is incredible. I am in awe....
I have listened to this song hundreds of times. I’ve watched reactions to it just as many times. That belt near the end will NEVER not get me. I have to brace myself as soon as she starts with “Pisces swimming…” and just tense up until it’s over. I’m slowly been becoming a fan of this band over the past few months. Probably my favorite song of there’s is “Teacher, Teacher.”
Omg thank you for an honest reaction! Your reaction was so informative as well and as a Jinjer fan I cannot waiting for you to hear her LIVE. Tatiana is RARE.
The duality of her voice fits right in with the Pisces theme. The sign Pisces is represented by 2 fish swimming in opposite directions - sort of a split personality situation. Using the fish metaphors, part of her wants to be caught ( having an intimate relationship), and the other part is "skittish" due to past mistreatment by "callous men" and "handsome butchers". The "emeralds being ripped away" are probably her wall of iridescent scales which has to be lowered in order to achieve intimacy. As they say, "Once bitten, twice shy". One reactor said that her voice reminded him of his ex-wife's voice - before and after marriage. After this introduction, the recommendation is usually for a live performance, so you can hear her growls in a that situation, but their song "Home Back" hits pretty hard. for other reasons. It was written after being forced to leave their homes because of the fighting in eastern Ukraine, and how they want their homes back.
Well said. Great to see others write up the Pisces symbolism! ... The really sad thing about 'Home Back' is that many believe it's the current conflict the song was written about, but it was actually the conflict when Tati was a child... It's awful that they are enduring it all again.
@@thecassman Home Back rather refers to when the band had to leave the Donezk region and move to Lwiw in Western Ukraine because of the present conflict starting already 2014 in the east... since Tati is 35 now, she was hardly a child back then. ;-)
Please watch her in Judgment and Punishments 1 take live not the stage or official. Its amazing. You get to watch her neck and throat the entire performance. Would love to get your take on that performance
Wow so surprising. Her natural singing is so warm and nice. I love how in that last scream she seems to mix her throat singing with her high mix voice...how?!?!
I've heard people refer to it as "Double Voice" before, but It's hard to find a formal definition of this phenomenon. It's EXTREMELY rare from what I can tell. But you are most definitely hearing two tones in her last two growling segments. I have been questioning my sanity for the last 10 or so listens, but every time I replay it I hear the same exact thing. When most people execute a Double Voice type of effect it takes them more than one track to accomplish it. She is absolutely, terrifyingly INCREDIBLE!
@@krimzonghost1987this is a studio recording, and if you listen, the vocals on the verses are more than one vocal track. Could possibly be the same on the choruses. Lots of tricks can be done in the studio that can't be replicated live.
I sooo appreciate when a reaction to Jinjer is more than just "she sounds like a demon"... These are talented musicians, all 4 of them. And appreciating what she is doing and the talent she has is great.
I had the scales fall from my eyes (and ears) in 2019 when I first heard Nightwish. Since then I have been immersing myself in the European metal scene, starting with Symphonic Metal and from there going down assorted interconnected rabbitholes. This song in particular is a joy to watch pro singers and vocal coaches react to. Your reaction did not disapoint. Tatiana has plenty left in the tank for you to react to!
I was in Dallas one time with a friend in a metal band, and they taught me to growl, that "discovery moment" you mentioned. Here's the steps they walked me through. 1. First, say something ridiculously southern and with a big exaggerated Texas drawl. We did "You got a purdy mouth." (sorry, lol) Maybe this is relaxing everything since southern accents are slow and drawn out. 2. Next, say it again but as low as you can. 3. Then, say it again but even lower than that. Lower than you're able to. I'm guessing this is forcing you to not just relax, but open the vocal chords. Keep them out of it. If they're looser than they have to be to make sound, then voila. 4. Finally, say it again like that but as loud as you can. And tah-dah, I made a noise I wasn't expecting to ever hear myself make and it was awesome. Didn't hurt either. I'd be curious to take actual lessons though since this was just "something a guy told me" and not necessarily the right way. It worked though and was a blast.
Never gets fcking old ! Every single time it is really fun to watch these honest reactions. I got into search box afters months again and find myself looking for more reactions lul. Such a nice tutor tho, well analyzed :))
Tatiana has done a bunch of interviews. Even with some RUclipsrs. If I recall the interviews correctly she has said she doesn't know any of the science behind it. She was inspired by another female screamer: Otep. Then just practice screaming at cars on a highway, and in her pillow at home for years to to learn how and develop her style. I think she did one interview on Loudwire on how she learned to scream. "Teacher, Teacher" is probably my favorite song but yeah I agree with other commenters for vocal coaches and teachers "JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance" is a good one because its just her up close in a booth.
Great reaction and analysis. Tatiana's harsh vocals are really interesting because they display aspects of both false cord screaming (low, open, dark coloured, growl) and fry screaming (usually high, bright, with high frequency static-y overtones) at the same time. To use an analogy, Tatiana's harsh vocals use false cord screaming like chest voice and fry screaming like head voice, and she can mix the two in various proportions. This is unusual because false cord screaming is done with the true folds held open, and its very hard to generate enough breath pressure to rattle the tissues that produce a fry scream sound higher in the vocal tract with the true folds open. Usually fry screaming is done with the true folds held closed enough to only allow a small high pressure stream of air through (the true cords are not used to phonate while doing this in a pure fry scream). It makes her harsh vocals pretty unique. She's a wonderful vocalist with a wide variety of clean and harsh timbres in her arsenal and the artistic sense to use all those tools in the right places to aid storytelling.
When I first learned what fry screaming was I enjoyed spotting fry screamers at gigs when their speaking voice into the mic came out much louder than their screams. It helped me to stop hurting myself doing the two or three backing vocal lines I had to do in my band too.
Next you need to react to “Teacher Teacher”. Thank you so much to reacting to them. They are the most unique bands out there and from Ukraine that we hear about in the news. Tatiana is so gifted and sings various musical genres in their music. You will absolutely love each suggestion because all of them will be great to see your reaction. Thanks again🙏🏼🌹
What a fantastic reaction and I especially appreciate your acknowledgment of the band’s ability at the end. They are all top-notch musicians who write interesting, challenging music. Plus Tati is a poet who is writing in a second language.
jinjer is one of the best death style singers i ever heard and i been listening to this style since it was invented ...she has a great growl and completely understandable with good speed control and chorus like an angel...its great to see a voice teacher love it too
Watch her live, see her stage presence, hear her belt, growl, sing while moving all around the stage. The band plays behind her with precision. All of them together show their incredible talent. Perennial live at Whacken 2019. 🤘
Scream, growl, I think, especially when I hear Tatiana's last sound in this one, sounds like a panthers roar. So, I like to think of Tati as a roarer .
Always pause. Always rewind. I ADORE hearing vocal coaches and teachers talk about technique and methods and the "Why" and "How" behind singing. It's awesome and I always appreciate music all the more for it.
Her belt on this song really reminds me of Ann Wilson of Heart. There's some layering on her voice to fill it out, but her growl is so deep and aggressive. I think you'd like their song Teacher, Teacher. It really shows her different skills. This is a Ukrainian band, by the way. So much talent in danger with the recent troubles.
I've watched virtually every reaction video to this as obviously it is notably incredible . Your professional observations along with honest and sincere appreciation of what you were seeing and hearing got you not only a "like", but "Subscribed" as well. Genuine objectivity is refreshing to find , and you clearly show it. Great video ! :)
" Wallflower" by Jinjer also speaks to lead singer Tatiana's introverted side. The band has been around for 12 years now with different personnel, the most recent change being Vlad the drummer who is a classically trained pianist. The guys write the music and Tatiana (a self-confessed procrastinator who does her best work under the last minute deadline) writes the lyrics. Tati's early role model for screaming was a female screamer named "Otep" from the band Otep. Check them out with the song "Ghostflowers" and imagine Tati hearing a female vocalist screaming for the first time. The song "Wallflower" portrays the band's different personalities and Tati's artistic side.
Glad you enjoyed it so much! I heartily endorse all the other people saying that Judgement and Punishment (live one-take) is a great one for vocal coaches to react to. Having said that, my favorite is still Teacher, Teacher (official video): it's just stunning.
This is the best response to this song I have seen. Yes, the growl is super impressive, but the mixed belt is what really sends shivers down my spine. Her transitions are superb and everything she does is extremely musical. A lot of growl vocals are used for effect or to add aggressiveness, Tatiana uses every part of her repertoire as an instrument. I also like the way she transitions from a growl to a scream effortlessly - it's almost as if she is able to pitch the vocal effect.
Tatiana is a treasure and the rest of the band is so talented and so together in producing this. It really is a team effort. That last transition by Vladislav, introducing Tatiana's last beast-mode segment, was amazing. One of the ways to know Tatiana is not being damaged by this is the fact that she's been doing it for more than 12 years and has not been harmed. I really enjoyed your reaction/analysis.
The first drop is timeless but I love watching everyone (especially vocal coaches) get floored by the switch up at 12:08. That’s when Tati really shows her pipes.
Wow, I'm impressed with you so much. You are an angel and your taking on this song was just pure magic....I'm sold. The fact that you reacted to Jinjer like this makes me a happy metalhead!
Tatiana is the best at using her false vocal folds. She transitions fast & perfectly from growl to clean. THE best..and she's so humble & fun. Welcome to tje Jinjer rabbit hole. I recommend I speak astronomy & Perennial for your next push into the Jinjer rabbit hole.
Absolutely one of the most dynamic voices I've ever heard, the beautiful softer sounds and singing along with the growling Tatiana does is truly amazing! I saw them live in 2018 in a 500 person venue and it was every bit as good live as this "live studio" version. Loved your reaction and technical descriptions, thank you!
When she switches to that belt, it gets me every time! So I'm not surprised that got so much of your attention. I'm actually not a big fan of harsh vocals, but I do love her regular vocals, and the band is crazy good.
I was VERY fortunate to see them live and it was incredible! The way she's able to switch between the two voices in a live environment is something to behold!
In the 90's we used the terms "aggression/aggressive" then "dark" then "whine" then "harmonic". Each singing style seemed to fit into that. Alice in Chains, aggressive whine. Cannibal corpse aggressive dark. Queensryche metal harmonic. Jinger covers ALL the bases, so... Great review! Thank you
Jinjer just put out an album last August called "Wallflowers" and were set to tour with Slipknot right about now. Unfortunately the war in Ukraine started, which is their home country. The guys in the band were in Ukraine and couldn't leave so that nixed their tour plans. Tatiana was in Los Angles with her husband and has been working on some collaborations with other bands. Once the war is over I am crossing my fingers they come ROARING back (pun intended).
@@BTAColorado they generally do the european festival circuit in the summer, then branch out to various continents from there. They are booked for a festival in Australia though.
@@j.f.fisher5318 Generally, yes. this original comment is ten days old, their cultural ambassadorship status they were granted to return to touring happened the next day. I saw that Australia festival announcement last night when they posted about it. SUPER happy for them, I will be there when they make it to the US again!
I felt in love to this song, but not only in her incredibly beautyful and wide vocals. In all of the members plays, the whole composing, timings and melodics, too. This is one of the few songs i can hear repeatedly for hours.
Never gets old man!That's why every few months I check for new reaction videos. Love Jinjer💖💖 Also love seeing people react to Floor Jansen,Viking Queen👸👸
Wow I've seen so many voice coaches & singers react to this song but this is by far the most detailed explanation of her technique and use of her vocal chords, job well done
I really respect when singers and voice teachers value false chord and fry screaming. It takes so much practice to not hurt yourself. Thank you for that!
Something that I find amazing is her ability to maintain that clarity to her notes regardless of it's form. Both her sultry, seductive type singing in the beginning to the growls and screaming... How it's so well emphasized by that final fry at the end just wrapped it all together so well... Even after hearing the song numerous times at this point, I still can't really get over it lol.
Watching you attempt to construct the physical vocal production in your mind's eye while carrying on a conversation was precious. The words would flow but then the brain would give a nudge like "just think about the arytenoids... and what is going on in the posterior pharynx?" A very good and entertaining reaction. About 4 months ago we got a heads up from Elizabeth/The Charismatic Voice that she had arranged for a detailed laryngoscope for Will Ramos of the band Lorna Shore at a very legit lab in Utah (I shall hold off on plugging them only because I'm former faculty at another west cost med/dental U who has a similar lab, lol It's kinda like football fans, we don't cheer for the opposition, lol.) Anyway, that video is premiering this Fri June 10 on her channel. Yes, I know it's kind of clumsy talking about the 'competition' on a reactor's channel, but 98% of the time you folks seem to be much more supportive of others in your field (then we are in grant-competitive academia, or even worse in the private sector). You'll probably see the info in her community section, and you REALLY should see the teaser/trailer she has up right now...Will is such a real/down-to-earth/FUNNNY person. OK, enough plugging other channels. ...But since I watched all the way to the end of the video and you'd mentioned wanting to see a scope of harsh vocal production, I wanted to make sure you knew that video was upcoming. No spoilers, form me. But there's a hint at a very cool 'ah hah moment' in the trailer.
You went from my most favourite band in the world, Disturbed, to my second most favourite band in the world, Jinjer. I saw Jinjer at a friends place and couldn't believe the voice of Tatiana, they came to Australia and I did a "meet and greet" and it was amazing. Such talent, an amazing band and absolutely insane live. Like Disturbed they are even better live than on any album.
It is so fun seeing someone, especially vocal coaches discover Jinjer for the first time. Probably because that is the closest we can come to rediscovering them ourselves. Believe me when I say that you have barely scratched the surface of what they can do. The musicians are phenomenal and Tati is a goddess. I have never heard a single song from them that I don't like. They sound great live but don't forget their Official Music Videos. "Teacher Teacher" and "Home Back" are must see videos Just keep going and the Jinger Army will follow along. Enjoy !
It’s a marvelous moment to see your passionate reaction on this one… I discovered them years ago in a small club and I was literally…. Smashed….. and felt great happiness to have heard this….
A few years ago I had high-speed videolaryngoscopy as part of a study and I agree it would be amazing to see how Tatiana achieves what she does. I am so glad you mention this at the end of your video.
Some will whine that they prefer reactors not to know what to expect. Personally I enjoy it more when one thinks they know what's coming heehee. I see recommendations for both Perennial live at Wacken and Judgement & Punishment one take. Both are amazing. Wacken is very technical and will show her on stage and her mesmerizing stage presence (I've seen them twice) and at the end she talks to the crowd and you can see how out of breath she was which is mind-blowing. Judgment and Punishment has a lot of belting and is more focused on power, and up close so her technique is on display. Great analysis - subbed. Cheers!
p.s. your comments at the end make me wonder if The Charismatic Voice's "Operation: Throat Camera" with Will Ramos of Lorna Shore is on your radar. My immediate thought was wondering if she'd asked Tati. :)
One of my favorite belted parts she does is at the end of the Resurrection Fest video of "Captain Clock". Be aware though Vocalyst, that's one of their heaviest song for the first 3 minutes or so.
thanx for your professional analysis of this song > one of the best bands I've ever heard, regardless of the musical genre lovely greetings from a german musician and maybe next > JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance please stay safe
Firstly... I enjoy this channel! What blows Me away, is how Tati is minimally trained! Mostly all natural. Feom My understanding! Wow! I love every Jinjer reaction!
Its always fun watching someone go through the stages of Jinjer. 1. Anticipation 2. Surprise 3. Denial 4. Confusion 5. Surprise 6. Surprise 7. Surprise 8. Giddiness 9. Acceptance 10. Next video please Great video and analysis.
Great reaction and breakdown, I love your insight. Jinjer is an incredible band and Tatiana is a vocal goddess, one of our absolute best in metal. You need to hear them live, a great next one would be "Perennial" live at Wacken. She also has a really good one take vocal performance of "Judgement (and Punishment)". Enjoy!
Her voice is so amazing especially with the switches at the end of the song . The clear transitions from her clear voice to the metal voice to the high voice in such a fast progression just cinches it for me.
No matter how many times I watch her I almost can't believe that she is for real making those sounds all by herself. No one who watches her sing is EVER ready.
A few female clean/harsh vocalists are Melissa Bonny of Ad Infinitum, Alissa White-Gluz of Arch Enemy, and Heather Michele of Graveshadow. And then, there's Amaranthe! There are 2 clean vocalists, one male, one female, and one male harsh vocalist. They do metal with sprinkles of pop, and dance, and I think you would appreciate the mix of vocal styles, and music. Their current CD is Manifest, and fan favs are Viral, Fearless, and Arch Angel. All have official videos on YT.
All the artistry aside, I love how she clearly defined the mood of the verses, the first is all introductional and neutral beautiful, the second is already a step up , warning and more involving, and by the time the third comes she knows she's got you sucked in and plays the Master role, prepping you for the finale. Awesome dynamics by an incredible woman backed up by top musicians. The usual easing in is to check "Perennial LIVE at Wacken 2019", a beautiful sample of their live performance, or "Teacher teacher", but since you're a voice teacher, I bet "Judgement and punishment one take vocal performance" is what you'll want to sink your teeth into 😉.
Thank you very much for the reaction, I saw your 2-part reaction to Floor Jansen a couple of days ago and was planning to recommend Pisces. Even with your research you were clearly unprepared, I loved it! I highly recommend Perennial live at Wacken 2019 to see her vocal abilities during an actual live show. I'm a boomer and not a metal head but still love this band also because they mix various other styles with metal and I actually had the good fortune to see them live during a period when small concerts in Holland were allowed again. An unforgettable experience. I added this to my favorites and will listen to it again and look forward to more Jinjer reactions!
Know knowing Jinjer for over three years, for me the first honest reaction. Others always try to convince me, they had no idea about her voice. Can be , but must not always been honest, to say.
Very insightful reaction, perceptive breakdown of Pisces performance ... entire band is top-dead-center on top of their game ... and, the vocals!! For follow-up, reaction to Jinjer's "I Speak Astronomy" is a must. Also, please permit me to suggest "Iron Sky," by Paolo Nutini -- worth noting that Nutini wrote Iron Sky!
It's definitely Growling. I'm lucky to have a good range to my voice and I am able to growl wothout any issues. Even at the advanced age of 57 I still have no trouble with my range or the growling. I absolutely love Jinjer and can't get enough of Tatiana.
Tatianna has the voice of an angel.... as that angel falls through all 9 layers of hell and then fights its way back out..... And I adore it.
The reason I keep watching reactions to this song is for that moment with the E5 belt at the end. That's when people who understand vocal technique tend to have their biggest reaction, and presumably for the same reason I did the first time I watched it. When she pulled that out, that's the moment I said to myself, this isn't just about a novelty or a gimmick. She's the real thing.
I did notice though that she struggles with that part in her live performances. Though to be fair it's to be expected after a couple of hours of this!
Agreed. That’s the moment I watch these vocal coach reactions for. It’s a quick switch from the growl straight into a great belt with range, and the vocal technique folks tend to notice.
She has mentioned in interviews that she prefers not to do the belt live, because she fears not hitting the belt 100%.
@@csgowoes6319 Yeah, no one is perfect. I have little to no personal experience with the metal scream/growl, but I wonder about the stamina it takes to keep that up for long periods. The gender differences in vocal tract are more about size than fundamental structure, so I would imagine it's similar for men and women.
guess im not the only one, most reactors miss it tho
“I wasn’t ready” it never gets old. Great analysis and reaction. Liked and sub’d. A good follow up would be Perennial live at Wacken 2019. Jinjer live is simply mind blowing. Enjoy your journey down the Jinjer rabbit hole. 🍻🤘
No one is really ready 🤣🤣🤣
not gonna lie when I see a reaction video for this song I have to watch to see how off-guard everyone is about her screams and cleans
Yes to Perennial. Then Judgement and Punishment
I couldn't agree more.
Just like everyone else I was waiting for your reaction, knowing that you're a vocal specialist.
My original plan for covid was to learn to improve my singing ability, sadly instead my mind decided that I needed to heal my childhood trauma instead & I have been sucidally depressed for 2+ years but it will get sorted & then I can work to improve my singing & I will have all this wonderful guidance from the youtube voice coaches I follow.
I haven't watched to the end yet so you may yet comment but nobody seems to have commented about how JinJer & their families as a band are from the Donbass region of Ukraine which is currently being bombed flat by Russia. When Russia first invaded in 2014 they moved to Western Ukraine, which is AFAIK where they are still based.
Given the Donbass is the heavy manufacturing area of the Ukraine, the interest in heavy metal seems obvious. Just as Detroit or Sheffield is big on heavy metal bands.
Tatiana wins EVERY argument she gets in.
"I wasn't ready for that", "I didn't see that coming". Two phrases in 99% of Pisces reaction videos. Love it every time!
Except in this case its obviously a lie and she clearly knows its coming because its not her first time watching the video. Shame really. She can't even hide it, she verbally lets out that she knows what's coming on two occasions before the "surprise" and has the most obvious shit-eating grin just before she presses play again. I've seen toddlers that were better at hiding things.
@@Bla5turbator get a life bruh
Since she's Ukrainian she put a LOT of work into her enunciation. Her accent is really strong but you can't hear even a morsel of it in her singing. Her tone and softness is insanely impressive imo cause she just learned it by ear
I love her voice. I can hear a morsel of an accent on certain words. I'm a connoisseur of accents lol and if you listen hard you can detect it slightly on a few words. Every once in a while she'll have an interesting pronunciation of a word too. I dig it! But overall yes she is very clear in her diction and enunciation, both in her clean tones and her unclean tones.
pitch corrected unlive perf though..@@ericpeterson7512
The look on your face! 😂😂😂. Priceless! 😂😂😂
“Perennial” Live at Waken and “Pit of Consciousness” Live in Kiev are some of their best live performances.
Perennial live is great
@@andersstromqvist2211 who is gonna be the one live is better
@@andersstromqvist2211 yes 👍💪💪💪💪💪💖
Pit of Conciousness is so nasty. I love it.
name of the capitol of Ukraine is Kyiv
English isn’t her first language and she has said she works extra hard to make sure she enunciates every word properly. She wants you to hear and understand her songs and not just see them as a gimmick. This is one of the most talented groups of musicians making music today and she truly appreciates the guys behind her make her even better and vice versa. They are crazy good!
The entire band is truly amazing. The amount of talent is mind boggling, and they all make it seem so effortless. Her song writing ability, breath control, pitch, etc, are all masterclass.
Watch her live to appreciate her vocal contrast. I recommend "perennial (live at waken)"or "judgement and punishment (vocal one take) " .
Great reaction 👍🏻🤘🏻
Yeah the judgement and punishment one take might be the most interesting one for a vocal coach
Definitely recommend "Judgement and Punishment" (vocal one take) to the vocal coach reactors! It's a great side view of her while singing/screaming and also a clean recording to catch vocal phrasing and nuances!
I love the concert stuff also. Often those are recommended either to prove that really is her voice (not a processed effect as some allege), or just because it is their personal favorite Jinjer song. Nothing wrong with that, and if Pieces and Judgement grab this vocal coach then I definitely think she should go down that rabbit hole of awesome live performances.
This recording is also a live session!!
@@MrErikchaugen yes I know erik but when they hear the layering added later some are questioning I’m saying hearing tatiana in front of audience is a whole different thing and the vocal one take I’m not hearing layering myself added later are you? Im just wondering🤔
@@SuperClarky666 I was wondering the same,but it really sound like a simple harmonizer or octaver,wich can be used live also!!But i would love to hear her live,as you are not the first telling me she is amazing live!!
that last scream with ''emeralds are ripped away'' always gives me goosebumps
This was my introduction to Jinjer, and I'm a fan for life! Its' mind blowing how intense this song is at times, and yet all the band member are so relaxed. No one does it better than Tatiana. And the band, just amazing, the creativity, the timing, the lyrics, the talent, the amount of practice , just awesome. Amazing!
the Band is super technical and tight, then you have Tatiana is a vocal goddess...How she transitions from melodic to the growl and back is incredible. I am in awe....
I have listened to this song hundreds of times. I’ve watched reactions to it just as many times. That belt near the end will NEVER not get me. I have to brace myself as soon as she starts with “Pisces swimming…” and just tense up until it’s over. I’m slowly been becoming a fan of this band over the past few months. Probably my favorite song of there’s is “Teacher, Teacher.”
Omg thank you for an honest reaction! Your reaction was so informative as well and as a Jinjer fan I cannot waiting for you to hear her LIVE. Tatiana is RARE.
The duality of her voice fits right in with the Pisces theme. The sign Pisces is represented by 2 fish swimming in opposite directions - sort of a split personality situation. Using the fish metaphors, part of her wants to be caught ( having an intimate relationship), and the other part is "skittish" due to past mistreatment by "callous men" and "handsome butchers". The "emeralds being ripped away" are probably her wall of iridescent scales which has to be lowered in order to achieve intimacy. As they say, "Once bitten, twice shy". One reactor said that her voice reminded him of his ex-wife's voice - before and after marriage. After this introduction, the recommendation is usually for a live performance, so you can hear her growls in a that situation, but their song "Home Back" hits pretty hard. for other reasons. It was written after being forced to leave their homes because of the fighting in eastern Ukraine, and how they want their homes back.
Well said. Great to see others write up the Pisces symbolism! ... The really sad thing about 'Home Back' is that many believe it's the current conflict the song was written about, but it was actually the conflict when Tati was a child... It's awful that they are enduring it all again.
shut up gray
@@thecassman Home Back rather refers to when the band had to leave the Donezk region and move to Lwiw in Western Ukraine because of the present conflict starting already 2014 in the east... since Tati is 35 now, she was hardly a child back then. ;-)
I'm a Pisces... love it..lol
You mean skittish due to all the bears eating her when she swims upstream at the end of the year.
The whole band is so talented it's amazing
Please watch her in Judgment and Punishments 1 take live not the stage or official. Its amazing. You get to watch her neck and throat the entire performance. Would love to get your take on that performance
Wow so surprising.
Her natural singing is so warm and nice.
I love how in that last scream she seems to mix her throat singing with her high mix voice...how?!?!
I've heard people refer to it as "Double Voice" before, but It's hard to find a formal definition of this phenomenon. It's EXTREMELY rare from what I can tell. But you are most definitely hearing two tones in her last two growling segments. I have been questioning my sanity for the last 10 or so listens, but every time I replay it I hear the same exact thing. When most people execute a Double Voice type of effect it takes them more than one track to accomplish it. She is absolutely, terrifyingly INCREDIBLE!
@@krimzonghost1987this is a studio recording, and if you listen, the vocals on the verses are more than one vocal track. Could possibly be the same on the choruses. Lots of tricks can be done in the studio that can't be replicated live.
@@bradellington134 100%, there is multi-tracking for the vocals.
I sooo appreciate when a reaction to Jinjer is more than just "she sounds like a demon"... These are talented musicians, all 4 of them. And appreciating what she is doing and the talent she has is great.
Nice reaction! Welcome to the rabbit hole!! Start at 2012 untill 2022! 10 years of Jinjer!!! Jinjer is the best!!
You have a million dollar smile. 😊
I love that you checked out her speaking voice first to have a reference. Amazing band and wonderful people. Love them so much! ❤🔥
Are you here simping? 🙄🙄🙄😂😂😂😂
@@cooltechnician well, as for me always lol ;)
I had the scales fall from my eyes (and ears) in 2019 when I first heard Nightwish. Since then I have been immersing myself in the European metal scene, starting with Symphonic Metal and from there going down assorted interconnected rabbitholes. This song in particular is a joy to watch pro singers and vocal coaches react to. Your reaction did not disapoint. Tatiana has plenty left in the tank for you to react to!
I was in Dallas one time with a friend in a metal band, and they taught me to growl, that "discovery moment" you mentioned. Here's the steps they walked me through.
1. First, say something ridiculously southern and with a big exaggerated Texas drawl. We did "You got a purdy mouth." (sorry, lol) Maybe this is relaxing everything since southern accents are slow and drawn out.
2. Next, say it again but as low as you can.
3. Then, say it again but even lower than that. Lower than you're able to. I'm guessing this is forcing you to not just relax, but open the vocal chords. Keep them out of it. If they're looser than they have to be to make sound, then voila.
4. Finally, say it again like that but as loud as you can. And tah-dah, I made a noise I wasn't expecting to ever hear myself make and it was awesome. Didn't hurt either. I'd be curious to take actual lessons though since this was just "something a guy told me" and not necessarily the right way. It worked though and was a blast.
Every person in this band are so incredibly talented in their own right that together they're simply bananas ❤
Never gets fcking old ! Every single time it is really fun to watch these honest reactions. I got into search box afters months again and find myself looking for more reactions lul. Such a nice tutor tho, well analyzed :))
Tatiana has done a bunch of interviews. Even with some RUclipsrs. If I recall the interviews correctly she has said she doesn't know any of the science behind it. She was inspired by another female screamer: Otep. Then just practice screaming at cars on a highway, and in her pillow at home for years to to learn how and develop her style. I think she did one interview on Loudwire on how she learned to scream.
"Teacher, Teacher" is probably my favorite song but yeah I agree with other commenters for vocal coaches and teachers "JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance" is a good one because its just her up close in a booth.
Even when you know it's coming...Still blows your mind! lolol
She is even more amazing live the entire band is what you can call perfect
Great reaction and analysis. Tatiana's harsh vocals are really interesting because they display aspects of both false cord screaming (low, open, dark coloured, growl) and fry screaming (usually high, bright, with high frequency static-y overtones) at the same time. To use an analogy, Tatiana's harsh vocals use false cord screaming like chest voice and fry screaming like head voice, and she can mix the two in various proportions. This is unusual because false cord screaming is done with the true folds held open, and its very hard to generate enough breath pressure to rattle the tissues that produce a fry scream sound higher in the vocal tract with the true folds open. Usually fry screaming is done with the true folds held closed enough to only allow a small high pressure stream of air through (the true cords are not used to phonate while doing this in a pure fry scream). It makes her harsh vocals pretty unique. She's a wonderful vocalist with a wide variety of clean and harsh timbres in her arsenal and the artistic sense to use all those tools in the right places to aid storytelling.
this is why It would be amazing if The Charismatic Voice could do another "Operation: Throat Camera" with Tatiana.
When I first learned what fry screaming was I enjoyed spotting fry screamers at gigs when their speaking voice into the mic came out much louder than their screams. It helped me to stop hurting myself doing the two or three backing vocal lines I had to do in my band too.
When I sing what I call death vocals, I am using almost no air and almost no strain. I can do it almost forever.
@@TheVocalyst you do need to see the charismatic voice video about Will Ramos's throat. It's Operation: throat camera with Will Ramos.
Next you need to react to “Teacher Teacher”. Thank you so much to reacting to them. They are the most unique bands out there and from Ukraine that we hear about in the news. Tatiana is so gifted and sings various musical genres in their music. You will absolutely love each suggestion because all of them will be great to see your reaction. Thanks again🙏🏼🌹
What a fantastic reaction and I especially appreciate your acknowledgment of the band’s ability at the end. They are all top-notch musicians who write interesting, challenging music. Plus Tati is a poet who is writing in a second language.
jinjer is one of the best death style singers i ever heard and i been listening to this style since it was invented ...she has a great growl and completely understandable with good speed control and chorus like an angel...its great to see a voice teacher love it too
Watch her live, see her stage presence, hear her belt, growl, sing while moving all around the stage. The band plays behind her with precision. All of them together show their incredible talent. Perennial live at Whacken 2019. 🤘
Your smile is so infectious !! Stay smiling !!
Scream, growl, I think, especially when I hear Tatiana's last sound in this one, sounds like a panthers roar. So, I like to think of Tati as a roarer .
Welcome to Jinjer. As a vocalist you would love Tatiana's one take vocal of "Judgement and Punishment".
I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN. HER PHRASING IS UNBELEIVABLE. ESPECIALLY THE VERY FIRST TIME SEEING/HEARING HER!!!
Wow wow wow that was amazing she is amazing the band is awesome thank you so much
Tati the vocal goddess. All bow down.
Always pause. Always rewind. I ADORE hearing vocal coaches and teachers talk about technique and methods and the "Why" and "How" behind singing. It's awesome and I always appreciate music all the more for it.
Tatiana is a true gem, and so it the rest of the band.
Her belt on this song really reminds me of Ann Wilson of Heart. There's some layering on her voice to fill it out, but her growl is so deep and aggressive. I think you'd like their song Teacher, Teacher. It really shows her different skills. This is a Ukrainian band, by the way. So much talent in danger with the recent troubles.
Her one take of Judgement and Punishment is a great watch. I love this band!!
I've watched virtually every reaction video to this as obviously it is notably incredible . Your professional observations along with honest and sincere appreciation of what you were seeing and hearing got you not only a "like", but "Subscribed" as well. Genuine objectivity is refreshing to find , and you clearly show it. Great video ! :)
" Wallflower" by Jinjer also speaks to lead singer Tatiana's introverted side. The band has been around for 12 years now with different personnel, the most recent change being Vlad the drummer who is a classically trained pianist. The guys write the music and Tatiana (a self-confessed procrastinator who does her best work under the last minute deadline) writes the lyrics.
Tati's early role model for screaming was a female screamer named "Otep" from the band Otep. Check them out with the song
"Ghostflowers" and imagine Tati hearing a female vocalist screaming for the first time.
The song "Wallflower" portrays the band's different personalities and Tati's artistic side.
Glad you enjoyed it so much! I heartily endorse all the other people saying that Judgement and Punishment (live one-take) is a great one for vocal coaches to react to. Having said that, my favorite is still Teacher, Teacher (official video): it's just stunning.
“Angelic voice” and I eagerly awaited your reaction to her chorus voice
This is the best response to this song I have seen. Yes, the growl is super impressive, but the mixed belt is what really sends shivers down my spine. Her transitions are superb and everything she does is extremely musical. A lot of growl vocals are used for effect or to add aggressiveness, Tatiana uses every part of her repertoire as an instrument. I also like the way she transitions from a growl to a scream effortlessly - it's almost as if she is able to pitch the vocal effect.
Tatiana is a treasure and the rest of the band is so talented and so together in producing this. It really is a team effort. That last transition by Vladislav, introducing Tatiana's last beast-mode segment, was amazing. One of the ways to know Tatiana is not being damaged by this is the fact that she's been doing it for more than 12 years and has not been harmed. I really enjoyed your reaction/analysis.
The first drop is timeless but I love watching everyone (especially vocal coaches) get floored by the switch up at 12:08. That’s when Tati really shows her pipes.
Wow, I'm impressed with you so much. You are an angel and your taking on this song was just pure magic....I'm sold. The fact that you reacted to Jinjer like this makes me a happy metalhead!
As everyone has said “Perennial” Live at Waken is a must for a great live vocal performance. Thanks for the knowledge and insight.
Tatiana is the best at using her false vocal folds. She transitions fast & perfectly from growl to clean. THE best..and she's so humble & fun. Welcome to tje Jinjer rabbit hole. I recommend I speak astronomy & Perennial for your next push into the Jinjer rabbit hole.
You made it to the bottom of the rabbit hole congratulations so glad you found Jinjer
I’m impressed your tolerance for metal music
Nobody compares to Tatiana. She’s best thing sense sliced bread
Watching musicians, especially vocal coaches, completely fall in love with that last section is always the highlight of these videos. Good content!
Absolutely one of the most dynamic voices I've ever heard, the beautiful softer sounds and singing along with the growling Tatiana does is truly amazing! I saw them live in 2018 in a 500 person venue and it was every bit as good live as this "live studio" version. Loved your reaction and technical descriptions, thank you!
When she switches to that belt, it gets me every time! So I'm not surprised that got so much of your attention.
I'm actually not a big fan of harsh vocals, but I do love her regular vocals, and the band is crazy good.
I was VERY fortunate to see them live and it was incredible! The way she's able to switch between the two voices in a live environment is something to behold!
In the 90's we used the terms "aggression/aggressive" then "dark" then "whine" then "harmonic". Each singing style seemed to fit into that. Alice in Chains, aggressive whine. Cannibal corpse aggressive dark. Queensryche metal harmonic. Jinger covers ALL the bases, so... Great review! Thank you
Jinjer just put out an album last August called "Wallflowers" and were set to tour with Slipknot right about now. Unfortunately the war in Ukraine started, which is their home country. The guys in the band were in Ukraine and couldn't leave so that nixed their tour plans. Tatiana was in Los Angles with her husband and has been working on some collaborations with other bands. Once the war is over I am crossing my fingers they come ROARING back (pun intended).
Roman, Eugene and Vlad have been allowed to leave Ukraine 🇺🇦 and start a European tour as ambassadors of Ukraine. It's sooo good to know they are OK.
@@TokSic420 I saw that, FANTASTIC news even if it is just European dates so far
@@BTAColorado they generally do the european festival circuit in the summer, then branch out to various continents from there. They are booked for a festival in Australia though.
@@j.f.fisher5318 Generally, yes. this original comment is ten days old, their cultural ambassadorship status they were granted to return to touring happened the next day. I saw that Australia festival announcement last night when they posted about it. SUPER happy for them, I will be there when they make it to the US again!
@@BTAColorado :) all good.
I felt in love to this song, but not only in her incredibly beautyful and wide vocals. In all of the members plays, the whole composing, timings and melodics, too. This is one of the few songs i can hear repeatedly for hours.
Never gets old man!That's why every few months I check for new reaction videos. Love Jinjer💖💖 Also love seeing people react to Floor Jansen,Viking Queen👸👸
Wow I've seen so many voice coaches & singers react to this song but this is by far the most detailed explanation of her technique and use of her vocal chords, job well done
I really respect when singers and voice teachers value false chord and fry screaming. It takes so much practice to not hurt yourself. Thank you for that!
Something that I find amazing is her ability to maintain that clarity to her notes regardless of it's form. Both her sultry, seductive type singing in the beginning to the growls and screaming... How it's so well emphasized by that final fry at the end just wrapped it all together so well... Even after hearing the song numerous times at this point, I still can't really get over it lol.
Watching you attempt to construct the physical vocal production in your mind's eye while carrying on a conversation was precious.
The words would flow but then the brain would give a nudge like "just think about the arytenoids... and what is going on in the posterior pharynx?"
A very good and entertaining reaction.
About 4 months ago we got a heads up from Elizabeth/The Charismatic Voice that she had arranged for a detailed laryngoscope for Will Ramos of the band Lorna Shore at a very legit lab in Utah (I shall hold off on plugging them only because I'm former faculty at another west cost med/dental U who has a similar lab, lol It's kinda like football fans, we don't cheer for the opposition, lol.) Anyway, that video is premiering this Fri June 10 on her channel. Yes, I know it's kind of clumsy talking about the 'competition' on a reactor's channel, but 98% of the time you folks seem to be much more supportive of others in your field (then we are in grant-competitive academia, or even worse in the private sector). You'll probably see the info in her community section, and you REALLY should see the teaser/trailer she has up right now...Will is such a real/down-to-earth/FUNNNY person.
OK, enough plugging other channels. ...But since I watched all the way to the end of the video and you'd mentioned wanting to see a scope of harsh vocal production, I wanted to make sure you knew that video was upcoming.
No spoilers, form me. But there's a hint at a very cool 'ah hah moment' in the trailer.
Tatiana is a piece of gold
That was great! You KNEW that something was coming and you were still shocked by what you heard! That totally fucking rocks!
You went from my most favourite band in the world, Disturbed, to my second most favourite band in the world, Jinjer. I saw Jinjer at a friends place and couldn't believe the voice of Tatiana, they came to Australia and I did a "meet and greet" and it was amazing. Such talent, an amazing band and absolutely insane live. Like Disturbed they are even better live than on any album.
It is so fun seeing someone, especially vocal coaches discover Jinjer for the first time. Probably because that is the closest we can come to rediscovering them ourselves. Believe me when I say that you have barely scratched the surface of what they can do. The musicians are phenomenal and Tati is a goddess. I have never heard a single song from them that I don't like. They sound great live but don't forget their Official Music Videos. "Teacher Teacher" and "Home Back" are must see videos
Just keep going and the Jinger Army will follow along. Enjoy !
It’s a marvelous moment to see your passionate reaction on this one… I discovered them years ago in a small club and I was literally…. Smashed….. and felt great happiness to have heard this….
A few years ago I had high-speed videolaryngoscopy as part of a study and I agree it would be amazing to see how Tatiana achieves what she does. I am so glad you mention this at the end of your video.
Some will whine that they prefer reactors not to know what to expect. Personally I enjoy it more when one thinks they know what's coming heehee. I see recommendations for both Perennial live at Wacken and Judgement & Punishment one take. Both are amazing. Wacken is very technical and will show her on stage and her mesmerizing stage presence (I've seen them twice) and at the end she talks to the crowd and you can see how out of breath she was which is mind-blowing. Judgment and Punishment has a lot of belting and is more focused on power, and up close so her technique is on display. Great analysis - subbed. Cheers!
p.s. your comments at the end make me wonder if The Charismatic Voice's "Operation: Throat Camera" with Will Ramos of Lorna Shore is on your radar. My immediate thought was wondering if she'd asked Tati. :)
One of my favorite belted parts she does is at the end of the Resurrection Fest video of "Captain Clock". Be aware though Vocalyst, that's one of their heaviest song for the first 3 minutes or so.
@@BTAColorado omg yes! that part is achingly epic
thanx for your professional analysis of this song > one of the best bands I've ever heard, regardless of the musical genre
lovely greetings from a german musician and maybe next > JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance
please stay safe
Like Jeff says : judgement & punishment … some more facets of Tati. great song too
thanks for your reaction
I think this is the best analyst and commentary of how "Growl" works so far by a Vocal Coach.
Absolutely love Jinjer amazing music and equally amazing vocals from queen Tatiana
Firstly... I enjoy this channel! What blows Me away, is how Tati is minimally trained! Mostly all natural. Feom My understanding! Wow! I love every Jinjer reaction!
It's hilarious that you were expecting something heavy, and yet you were still shocked. I love it!
I love your arms waving around in excitement… GOLD!
Its always fun watching someone go through the stages of Jinjer.
1. Anticipation
2. Surprise
3. Denial
4. Confusion
5. Surprise
6. Surprise
7. Surprise
8. Giddiness
9. Acceptance
10. Next video please
Great video and analysis.
Great reaction and breakdown, I love your insight. Jinjer is an incredible band and Tatiana is a vocal goddess, one of our absolute best in metal. You need to hear them live, a great next one would be "Perennial" live at Wacken. She also has a really good one take vocal performance of "Judgement (and Punishment)". Enjoy!
Just checking back in to say more Jinjer please! I keep rewatching this one in anticipation!
Very good analysis. I think you would really enjoy reacting to Tatiana's one take recording of "Judgement and Punishment" (subbed)
Her voice is so amazing especially with the switches at the end of the song . The clear transitions from her clear voice to the metal voice to the high voice in such a fast progression just cinches it for me.
Watching people react to her in this song makes me smile lol, i could watch these reactions all day lol!
No matter how many times I watch her I almost can't believe that she is for real making those sounds all by herself. No one who watches her sing is EVER ready.
Quickly became one of my Favorite bands. Tatiana is in a category all her own vocally. Some of her switches in Teacher, Teacher still blow me away.
I get goosebumps every time! I got to meet them back in November. They are amazing!
A few female clean/harsh vocalists are Melissa Bonny of Ad Infinitum, Alissa White-Gluz of Arch Enemy, and Heather Michele of Graveshadow. And then, there's Amaranthe! There are 2 clean vocalists, one male, one female, and one male harsh vocalist. They do metal with sprinkles of pop, and dance, and I think you would appreciate the mix of vocal styles, and music. Their current CD is Manifest, and fan favs are Viral, Fearless, and Arch Angel. All have official videos on YT.
All the artistry aside, I love how she clearly defined the mood of the verses, the first is all introductional and neutral beautiful, the second is already a step up , warning and more involving, and by the time the third comes she knows she's got you sucked in and plays the Master role, prepping you for the finale. Awesome dynamics by an incredible woman backed up by top musicians.
The usual easing in is to check "Perennial LIVE at Wacken 2019", a beautiful sample of their live performance, or "Teacher teacher", but since you're a voice teacher, I bet "Judgement and punishment one take vocal performance" is what you'll want to sink your teeth into 😉.
Thank you very much for the reaction, I saw your 2-part reaction to Floor Jansen a couple of days ago and was planning to recommend Pisces. Even with your research you were clearly unprepared, I loved it! I highly recommend Perennial live at Wacken 2019 to see her vocal abilities during an actual live show. I'm a boomer and not a metal head but still love this band also because they mix various other styles with metal and I actually had the good fortune to see them live during a period when small concerts in Holland were allowed again. An unforgettable experience.
I added this to my favorites and will listen to it again and look forward to more Jinjer reactions!
I 100% am in love with her voice! 😍 and that scream at the very end reminds me of a panthers scream ....... 🤌🏻🤤🤤🤤
Know knowing Jinjer for over three years, for me the first honest reaction. Others always try to convince me, they had no idea about her voice. Can be , but must not always been honest, to say.
Very insightful reaction, perceptive breakdown of Pisces performance ... entire band is top-dead-center on top of their game ... and, the vocals!! For follow-up, reaction to Jinjer's "I Speak Astronomy" is a must. Also, please permit me to suggest "Iron Sky," by Paolo Nutini -- worth noting that Nutini wrote Iron Sky!
It's definitely Growling. I'm lucky to have a good range to my voice and I am able to growl wothout any issues. Even at the advanced age of 57 I still have no trouble with my range or the growling. I absolutely love Jinjer and can't get enough of Tatiana.