Tesla FSD | Dangerous Mountain Pass - Highway 17 | v12.3.3
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- In today's video we see how well Tesla Full Self Driving Beta v12.3.3 can traverse the infamous Highway 17 to get me from the Los Gatos Supercharger to the Scott's Valley Supercharger.
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0:00 Teaser
0:20 Introduction
0:50 Start of Drive
1:25 Wrong Way Down ONEWAY
3:15: Many Traffic Cones
3:25 Merging Onto Highway
3:56 First Impressions
4:50 Accelerator Override 1
5:37 Mistakes Warning Light for Traffic Light on Highway
6:01 Accelerator Override 2
6:48 Crosses Dotted Line on Curve
7:04 FSD Goes Too Slow on Highway
7:29 Accelerator Override 3
7:43 Too Close To WALL For Comfort
8:14 EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND ACCIDENT
9:16 Impressions of FSD Reacting to Emergency
10:04 Accelerator Override 4
12:15 More Discussion on Slowness
12:43 Accelerator Override 5
13:40 Bottom of Hill
14:30 Taking Freeway Off-Ramp
14:55 Accelerator Override 6
15:44 FSD Corrects Its Own Mistake
16:23 Pulling Into Supercharger
16:55 Conclusions
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What I learned from this video, its obvious that the car driving by it self, is safer than a human driver.
Wrong.
you're the kind of person who likes to reach false conclusions
based on obviously inadequate data.
this mental laziness will bring you nothing but
well deserved ridicule and consequences.
A wet, winding mountain highway with entrances near blind corners with fog reducing visibility and the presence of emergency vehicles. I can tell you right now, the prima facie speed limit is somewhere between 45 and 50.
The speed limit is 50mph. You're complaining because it does not break the law and do 70mph like you want.
I agree, in the moment, it was maintaining a safe speed. Now can it be both safe and feel annoyingly slow? Yes. I just wish it could overtake quicker around semis (their speed limit is 35mph) then get back over to the slow lane and do its thing.
@@AIAddict In the video there were lots of people in the right lane safely obeying the speed limit at about 45-50. If it's trailing a semi going 35 it prob would overtake as long as it didn't go over the speed limit. You didn't give it a chance. You just kept pushing it to go into the left lane and break the speed law.
@@AdaminChina666 do you usually maintain exactly 65mph while in the fast lane? I’m genuinely curious. Not sure most people would consider going the speed of traffic “breaking the law”
@@AIAddict There's no such thing as a "fast lane", it's a passing lane!
@@AIAddict i usually agree with you, but on this i am not. if the speed limit is 50 then i drive a little bit under 50. i dont know about the USA, but here you can "legally" drive 9kmh over the limit and not get a ticket. so i dont complain when people drive a bit over. what piss me off is people tail gating me dangerously or driving WAY over the limit.
You don’t drive highway 17 at 75mph. I just drove it yesterday in my plaid. Did you notice the huge scrapes all over the pavement and debris everywhere from the recent crash? Probably not because you were focusing on making a video and looking at your friend. You are looking to win a Darwin Award.
I would not be comfortable the way you want FSD to drive on this curvy highway. I think FSD was doing a safe and excellent job.🎉
Fair enough :)
Wow a positive review from you! Tesla must be making real progress
It’s certainly getting better much faster
He never hated Tesla FSD. He got shafted for posting a video of a collison when everyone else was posting unrealistic videos about FSD being super human.
12.3.3 is pretty cool. I like it a lot. Drives too slow though.
downvoted on the disengagement at 1:35 and left. What was the car going to do? Don't Know!
Hello guys today watch my dead robot do tricks. 😅
They should have beta self-driving as an amusement park thrill ride
I bet all the kiddos would love it
Or a haunted house ride.
_Elon's Wild Ride_ "Makes you appreciate life so much more"
I commuted over 17 for decades, and picked up a few speeding tickets while doing it.
Thank you for a correct test!
👍
No problem 👍
The car is doing 48 and keeping an exact distance behind the cars in lane 1 and 2;, do you want it to fly up behind them and bully it’s way through?
I’d like it to actually go 70mph as that’s the speed I programmed it to drive and I’d like it to actually overtake vehicles without having to force the accelerator on my own.
Oh well, this is what I get for thinking a level 2 system could be anything more.
@@AIAddict so you want it to break the law because you want it to?
On this road, semi trucks are required to go 35mph in some sections. I simply wish the Tesla would overtake on the left at a safe 65-75mph. I would then have no problem if the system got back over to the slow lane and maintained a slow safe pace. I just dislike how it keeps staying behind slower traffic and slowing down too instead of making an instant lane change and accelerating.
@@AIAddict but on the section you made your comment about ,there were vehicles in both lanes in front of you ,and you were a safe distance back, if you speeded up you would have just closed up the gap on the car in front .
Unless you planed on closing the gap so much the car in front moved out of your way fsd could not speed up.
How it handled the accident scene was the most impressive thing I had seen. It was so natural human like.
Love that drive on FSD amazing
And remember this is the USA. We don't use it here in Europe, with different signs, traffic rules in different countries and very different driving conditions/driver behaviours.
Imagine driving from here in Germany (high-speed Autobahn, narrow, crowded cities, many roads leading through small towns with bike/pedestrian interactions), through Austria/Switzerland (Hairpin turns, implicit "rules" who drives first) down to Italy with some of the above but additionally some of the narrowest old city roads. In one(!) single trip of like 700 km (what Americans consider a normal road trip) you could encounter all of this.
Please show also the way back. Going down the hill in those curves is also quite challenging !
5:59 I am very familiar with this particular spot, there is in fact a 50 mph sign and it is really difficult to go faster safely using FSD like the car was in fact going at.
6:48 There is a 40 mph needle curve sign, very difficult area for keeping the car in its lane without passing over the dot line even a this slow speed.
7:48 I agree, it is very scary to be so close to the wall in a curve (There are plenty of similar areas in fact when going to Mt Shasta where I always need to take over FSD)
I know autopilot will not respond to lights or stop signs, but my wife was using it on a windy secondary road and it handled curves at much higher speeds relatively than your car is doing in the video. I was surprised. It was back roads and our 2018 model 3 was doing speeds of 40s and even 50s on these tight curvy roads without issues or going over lines. I was behind her in our 2020 x. We got basic autopilot on the 3 from a referral but otherwise had nothing else and did not before. Maybe it was not making the decision like fsd does to drive slower and was just doing set speeds but it was able to handle it safely.
Nice, just saw u upload
Awesome!
new version FSD 12 is good. I drove with it for a week, it is cool and I like it. Only downside is the price is way too high. It should not excess 10% of the car price.
I agree, Tesla should decrease the buy in to something around $6k, nearly half of what they are charging now.
let’s say it really became robotaxi one day, driving you daily while you sleep or watch netflix. will you still think that 10k is too much?
Yes finally I feel comfortable on Hwy 17 now that we have 12.3.3 . It is relaxing not having to drive that road
Driving 75 on Hwy17 Southbound is very dangerous. The initial section from LG to Scotts Valley is banked correctly but a couple spots like Deadman's Curve, Glenwood Cutoff and Laurel Curve are fairly tight turns and in the wet road conditions you see during this video drive, those turns are the site of frequent spinouts and accidents by drivers not familiar with Highway 17. As a long time driver on 17, I recommend caution at those turns as well as general caution. Once you come out of the winding section at the Scotts Valley exits, the road is much safer and ok at higher speeds like 65 all the way south to the Highway 1 exit after Pasatiempo Drive. Please don't take this video's driver seriously. He will be the guy zipping around traffic and putting everyone else in danger.
Have you done any emergency brake testing for version 12 like with objects in the road?
What setting is your aggressiveness set to? Would it go even slower if it were in chill mode?
I don’t even want to know how slow chill mode would go 😮💨
You said the truck was going the wrong way down a one way but there is a sign on the left pointing him to parking directly down that direction
In that case the Tesla went the wrong way 😓
5:39 it slowed down because the cars in front slowed down.
How come you don’t let it decide? Use the automatic setting? Or do you have the auto speed setting enabled?
In my experience with V12, using auto speed max actually made it drive much slower. Sometimes 7mph in a 25mph. Manually setting max speed seems to fix this for the most part right now.
You running chill or assertive?
Do you think that the Truck Speed limit at 55 was confusing FSD?
No, I was manually overriding the max speed on screen and it still refused to drive faster. The end to end neural net just doesn’t have the confidence to drive as fast as a local here.
@@AIAddict Can you tell what it thinks the speed limit actually is? Because I'd think NOT letting you override it would be the safest thing to do, force you to manually accelerate instead, as it did.
14:41 This is one of my big issue with FSD. There is a 20 mph yellow sign but the max speed is still 65 mph.
In the curve, the max speed is lower but I could not read it. Is it a GPS value?
15:10 So the car decide to make the right turn, but the driver think it was not good and need to accelerate using his foot.
However on the screen there was no vehicle visible on the left. Is it a problem with the B pilar camera not able to see the coming traffic?
I have the same problem when I try to exit from a parking when turning right but without having the front of the car inside the lane.
Also it is alomost impossible to see if there is any bicycle, electrical scooter, or motorcycle coming from the left.
I cannot see how FSD will be able to make a safe right turn into a street without having a camera at each corner of the car.
I see the car coming on the screen?
Also…. when you use accelerator pedal to pass…. don’t switch to x2 replay immediately…. let us see what the speed does after removing foot off pedal.
what year and model tesla are you driving?
The irony that you were saying it was going too slow "locals go much faster", then you come across an accident. Rather suggests it going slow was the right thing to do. I certainly wouldn't expect setting a target speed would override what it thinks is the speed limit, that would be up to you to manually accelerate in that situation, as you did.
I still think overall this sort of driver assist is dangerous personally, as it risks you getting complacent when its working well, creating a delay in reacting when it makes a mistake. Plus the whole idea that if it makes a mistake, you are liable for the result, just doesn't seem worth it.
Do u mind trying to test autopark into a supercharger next time? I've heard that the new neural net parking is amazing
Great suggestion!
My 2 pet peeves with 12.3.3 is it fails to accelerate to the Speed limit after a stop sign or signal. On a 50mph road with zero traffic and the speed set to 50, it accelerates to 42 or 43 and then takes 2 more blocks to get to 50.
A more dangerous problem with 12.3.3 is its tendency to hug the left side of the road, and frequently short cuts turns…placing left side tires on lane lines or over lane lines. My car frequently rides with left tire riding on the Bott’s dot or worse yet on the yellow center lines, and sometimes over the lines on mountain curves.
What happened to the GoPro camera on the roof?
You mean the external GoPro shot? We still have the equipment and cameras but the outside one likes to Over Heat a lot. Classic GoPro.
Do you think we should bring that angle back into play?
@@AIAddict I really liked it - for me, the two combined perspectives was one of the things that set your videos apart from many other FSD Beta videos.
@@AIAddict maybe use the "cage" mount that is not completely enclosed. also remember to tie a cord to the camera not to lose it accidentally.
It would be interesting to see how different basic autopilot preforms on this road
I like the way you think
It looked up me your car was stopping when you slammed the accelerator. I think you thought your nose was out to far because u were looking at the car coming rather than where your car was. There was still creep room
Your nose was in the bike lane but not the car lane. So you caused the issue. Because you you worried with the hesitation from FSD. So that's still a problem regardless if the passaganger is uncomfortable
I drive SR 17 “over the hill” as we call it and I also find that 12.3 comes WAY too close to the median wall. The yellow line Is sometimes painted right up against the wall with the BOTS DOTS within the line itself. I don’t think the car is correctly sensing the wall proximity. It definitely needed intervention.
Another bug I’ve seen more than once is signaling to change lanes, then realizing it’s not safe, pulling back before trying it again.
It seems too cautious sometimes and too aggressive other times.
Watched enough FSD videos that I won't bother with using it on my '24 Model Y. I am skeptical of the computers' ability to avoid potholes, debris, road kill, deer, etc.
No way it is safe to do 70 or 75 on Highway 17. If that's what YOU would do, please warn us.
I have been employed as a professional driver. Back in our teens a group of us would easily top 100+ on hwy 17 and take some corners at 90mph and drifting at twilight hours.
Locals 100% go 75mph over 17 in a mad dash to work or the beach. I grew up on this road.
It’s people going 50mph that make it deadly when they overtake in the fast lane in a corner or when people speed while drunk.
So the people driving the speed limit are the dangerous drivers?
Speed limit on 17 is not 70
@@johntrotter8678 speed of traffic on any given California hwy on most days is easily 75-80mph. Not everyone goes exactly the speed limit.
Average person drives 90mph in a 70mph in Texas. The average driver drives above the limit. I don’t know a single person who actually goes 50mph on 17 unless they are old, driving a semi truck or scared behind the wheel
@@joelnehl speeding doesn’t kill people, it’s suddenly coming to a stop that does.
The people complaining about you wanting the tesla to go faster are definitely the same people camping in the passing lane.
i saw speed limts signs of 35miles/h; 55m/h; 65m/h ... are they for trucks or for all vehicles? To go 20miles over the limit you´ll loose your driving licence over here... in Germany,... local or not.
In my part California, everyone speeds and you hardly ever see a CHP officer. Land is too big and budget is too small.
Yes, those signs you are reading are for semi trucks and vehicles hauling trailers
Not really self driving when you keep interfering and driving for the car😡
It’s a level 2 driving assistant. It will never be cable of level 5 driving without a human supervising. Tesla chose a poor namesake to call their software suite unfortunately.
@@AIAddict'never'?
@@AIAddict we can re visit this in a year , I’m sure it will be L5 , this is coming from a person who remembers haven’t 1 tv with only 3 channels no we have an iPhone 15 . I have whitenesses that journey.
@@AIAddict You keep using this word "supervise". Apparently to you it means interfere/intervene/take over. To us & Webster, it means "to oversee (a process, work, workers, etc.) during execution or performance".
Change your options ...check the distanse option...and also choose auto speed
Distance is set to assertive and auto speed was set to 75mph
@@AIAddict you can set your speed at 5, 10, or 15 mph over the speed limit. However, for city driving, the software limits your speed to 2 or 3 mph over the speed limit.
Speed limit on 17 is 50mph, ticket for 25 over at 75 is very expensive, and can be charged as reckless driving. I know from experience.
Speed limit is posted at 50mph at timecode 11:14
Doesn’t seem to want to switch back to the slower lane once overtaking.
I think next update is gonna be a different beast
I certainly hope so! Been enjoying these recent updates.
Your complaint about the speed is because you don't have the auto offset on
that really is dangerous road.amount of times car is going way above its visible stopping didtance.
07:30 - Yo want your car to do 75 on a *completely blind bend*?! It is that sort of thinking that is the primary cause of the US' 40k road deaths every year. (and a few hundred yards further on... SURPRISE! A collision...!!!)
All autonomous vehicles must not exceed the speed limit, ever. If they are in an accident and the logs show the car was going faster than the speed limit, then that would be a very large problem.
Defending the car in this case using the "everyone else speeds, and some even go 100mph etc", will not hold up in court
In a classic case of unintended consequences, limiting autonomous vehicles (AVs) to the speed limit in the name of safety would in most cases reduce safety, rather than improve it. The reason is that if AVs were, for example, limited to 70 MPH on the freeway when everyone else is doing 80 MPH, no one would engage the driving automation, and so the dramatic safety benefits of driving automation would not be realized. Further, it would create large speed differences between AVs at the speed limit and other traffic at perhaps 10 MPH over the speed limit, which is much more hazardous that a modest increase in speed.
Lol another young driver complaining fsd dosent drive fast like them😂 fsd is supposed to make progress with safety.
Eventually it will drive the safest and most efficient way . People will have to except that or drive themselves.
You shouldn’t really be able to change how it drives, or bad drivers will just set it to drive as badly as they do😮😮😮😮
"Eventually it will drive the safest and most efficient way "
Eventually? The fanboys are saying right now: FSD is Solved! Full Autonomy Soon!
The reality is, FSD is currently a simple minded Level 2 driving assistant. Nothing more.
@@DerekDavis213 lol you show you have no concept of how AI driven programming works.
This is a totally different approach.
In 1 year this completely new system had gotten than the old system ( v11 ) had reached in 10 years .
It did this with a training computer that was very limited by size.
The training computer is now at full speed.
So the training will now get exponentially faster.
The car is good in a year it should be perfect , at which point everything should be locked , and that’s how it will drive.
@@paulmeynell8866 And what do you know about AI programming, beyond what the Tesla Marketing Dept has told you?
And why was the training computer limited in size? There has been very powerful NVIdia compute cards available for 5 years or more. And ultra-powerful multi-core processors have been too. A data center with 1000s of NVidia cards could have been built 5 years ago.
'The training will get exponentially faster' comes *directly* from the Tesla Marketing guys. You have no idea how true that is, and to what extent.
Just after minute 15 is a major league boo boo, and seemed like an odd error since it's a relatively simple problem you would think.
You say you're a professional driver and complain that FSD doesn't do 70 in a 50. FSD is programmed to follow the law and not speed. You say that people driving the speed limit in the slow lane causes accidents, No people that recklessly drive way over the speed limit cause accidents. Maybe not you because you're a professional.
I was implying that some people drive faster than speed limit. Usually locals. Others are scared of the road, I don’t blame them. When people going 50mph overtake semis going 45mph around blind turns it can cause accidents when faster traffic in the left lane flies by.
Pair that with bad weather or drinking a lot of drivers tend to spin out or hit a divider. Often times a semi overturns as well or loses its brakes.
There are many reasons accidents occur here but you can see I safely overtake multiple semis and cars in the video while maintaining 70mph with the accelerator.
following the law in some situation IS LESS safe.
@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei it's not. You just try to justify your actions
Lived here all my LIFE but 17 sucks lol so a good test
The point of this video should be:
Does FSD drive safely and within the law?
Not:
Does FSD drive the way I want it to?
It's called Full SAFE Driving. It's trying to pass legal requirements, not get YOUR seal of approval.
Have you ever driven on highway 17 ? Please drive by yourself first and then you will know that due to the nature zig zag road , you will be close to the divider wall. You also needs to tell your audience which mode you are using. I suggest you should actually drive on highway 17 before giving FSD review. The statement you put "Tesla really needs to work that out" , Thats not how AI works.
7:04 nobody around you is going faster than FSD. Wtf are you even talking about? Going 70 there is just reckless.
Why do you have a self driving car if you won’t let it drive , You cannot show how it drives if you keep interfering.
Going under 50mph in itself was both a bit unsafe and annoying. Be less interesting IMO if it stayed behind a semi truck the whole drive.
Hope NHTSA recalls FSD so it can only drive the speedlimit. If you want to drive like a maniac, it shouldn't be on FSD, so you don't screw the statistic.
I want FSD to disengage if the driver applies the accelerator for more than a few seconds
@@Mark-kt5mh false. FSD won't disengage unless you exceed 85 mph.
Hey everyone. he is a tesla ex employee that got fired!!! Just so you know !
So an ex Tesla employee talking positive about Tesla is bad? I’m confused…
@@AIAddict positive!!! are kidding me !!! Using shadows from trees or light post to abuse system vulnerability in so many videos , not everyone are a sheep!
Seems pretty fair and unbiased to me...
15:10 i think elon musk is a firm darwin believer. natural selection will solve this.
Your hand is driving the wheel it looks like the whole time. You're maybe doing little hand regroups to drive it. Please post one where the autopilot is driving without you obviously sort of controlling it. Yes or no? Are you driving it looks like it.
The Tesla Driver Monitoring system requires the driver to rest their hand on the wheel when the self driving mode is turned on. Roughly every 30-90 seconds it will also ask you to slightly tug or nudge on the wheel to verify you are awake and paying attention. I believe this is what you are seeing.
I hate that ROAD !
we can see you steering the whole time
No, that's him applying pressure to stop getting nagged - he's not steering. That blue line ahead of the car on the screen means it's driving. Too much pressure on the wheel would turn that off.
Reportedly v12 only runs off highway otherwise it's the old v11.
Getting too close to the side of the road is a fail.
When speed is set to auto max, then it’s v12
Where do you people come up with this stuff?
Link supporting evidence / proof otherwise what’s the point of spreading nonsense?
@@AIAddict tbh, I got this stuff from Dirty Tesla’s videos.
Plus anecdotal evidence myself. On my first drive with v12, it was really good and human like… until it went onto a highway / parkway. Then the auto max speed disappeared, and it started behaving like v11. I could tell cuz it was going so well before, and it felt a lot more robotic and screwed up.
But if I’m wrong, I’m open to changing, and never meant to spread any misinformation. Just thought I had evidence if not proof.
Btw, love what you guys do. And thanks for doing it. We need this software to be tested to bring about the advent of full autonomy, which will eventually save many, many lives. 🫡
@@homosapien6031 interesting, if dirtytesla made a comment about this then I’d have to lean towards believing him. I’ve yet to see him spread any false information.
I do know 100% that when speed is set to AutoMax it’s guaranteed to be v12.
However, I cannot confirm or believe that it suddenly drops to v11 when navigating on highway. All version have been single stack since V11 not multiple stacks.
I will go on highway here in a few and test to see if auto speed max disappears when I enter the highway.
@@AIAddict Yeah he’s awesome. I’m grateful that he does this too. From what I remember, he gave it as a reason he couldn’t get a 0-disengagement drive to work the day before. This was one of his early v12 videos. He said that was because it’s “basically on version 11”.
I’m not 100% sure he said what I just put in quotes, but that was the point at least. The quotes were meant to separate my text from what he was trying to say.
I don’t think it’s officially v11. It is single stack, but the lines of explicit C++ code that was replaced were used for city driving, since highway driving wasn’t as much of a problem, and higher speed, therefore higher risk.
That last paragraph was just what I think happened. I have no clue what’s actually going on, to be clear. I just know the car feels and behaves very human-like off highway (with auto max speed enabled), but still robotic whenever auto max speed disappears (on whatever it considers a highway it seems)
There are even some exits around my area that should be completely fixed with version 12, but still behave wonky and robotic, exactly like they did on version 11
It only tried to cause one major wreck. It's about at the level of a first year driver.
It has its moments of brilliance and moments of stupidity. It's not perfect but its decent.
Typical young kid that has no sense of other drivers around him. Just wants to get to point B with no regards to speed limits. This is why we have all the accidents on highways. I can’t believe he admits drifting on that highway! That is total disregard for other people that could be on the highway.
Tesla should immediately remove his access to FSD. This kid is going to kill somebody! I just hope Tesla sees this idiot and takes him off the FSD program. I love it when he says that FSD slows down when there are yellow lights flashing. That area has a road coming on at a 90 degree angle with no on ramp. So if a car was traveling at a high rate of speed on the highway and a car was coming on the highway at that intersection you couldn’t stop in time because the car entering the highway is far below highway speed. Please Tesla take this irresponsible drivers FSD away!
It doesn't drive like a hopped up 20 year old.
Fair enough
Going 75 on highway 17 is reckless ,
That is why so Many accident there
This is why FSD is probably already better driver than you for safety.
look in the mirror . No offense
This is the worst video I have seen on FSD. The idea of FSD is to make the roads safer not drive like a human would. Traffic deaths last year totaled over 41,000 deaths. Aggressive driving couples with excessive speed are the result of many of those deaths.