World Rugby Rankings | End of Rugby Championship | 2024
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- World Rugby's Rankings at the end of The Rugby Championship 2024
►Two Cents Heads to China : • Why These Girls Chased...
Support:
►Patreon: / twocentsrugby
►Buy me a Beer: buymeacoffee.c...
Contact:
►Twitter: / twocentsrugby
►Email: twocentsrugby@outlook.com
Recommended Affiliates I Use:
VPN: Express VPN - 3 Months Free
go.expressvpn....
#rugby #rugbyunion #worldrugby
Since the next RWC will have 24 teams will your rankings expand up from 20 on the whiteboard?
I'm gonna need a bigger whiteboard 😅
Go fund me, XL whiteboard
@@TwoCentsRugby Put the magnets thru the dishwasher, that'll shrink 'em to fit!
@@TwoCentsRugby time to upgrade to the wall behind you.
@@TwoCentsRugby use the fridge door?
The Proteas Cricket team held the no.1 spot for ODI's and test cricket for a number of years without silverware. They are still regarded by many South Africans as "chokers" ... Rankings don’t define achievement, winning a major tournament or championship does.
Good point that no-one has made yet. We all think the Proteas are good but we don't get our hopes up come tournaments.
That makes no sense because we only lost 1 game in so many and world champions back to back and TRC champions.
So yes silverware’s mean nothing. But we own all cups and list few games. Still stupid system
Winning the last two 6 Nations trophies doesn't count then, no? There's only one trophy in rugby, is that it?
@@lyznav9439let's not talk about that. Too soon 💔
@@stephendoherty981 can't discuss with Saffas all the same they fail to grasp the simple fact that the calculation WORKS FOR ALL TEAMS EQUALY. Ireland have played 7 and by year end 12 SA by year end 13, (1 v Portugal in there) Over the past 2 years Ireland have lost only 5 games and won 28 SA lost 9 and won 27... The rankings are NOT based on titles but GAMES PLAYED. Again BASIS MATH!
If SA didn’t lose to Ireland at home they would still be number 1.
Would love to see a part 2 on the rugby championship attendance. I'm sure South Africas numbers will be up
Yeah that could be an interesting one!
The number one rank is only relevant when the team you support has the top spot. This about covers all the other comments here.
Can we have a Southern hemisphere combined team tour up north and/or maybe play the British and Irish Lions in a 3 match series. We can call the combined team Southern Kings? Lol. We can just imagine how devastating such a team could potentially be.
You haven’t play the game yet?
This would be awesome to behold. Who would even coach it? Would Southern Lions work? I dig Southern Kings too.
wow thats a brilliant idea.
No comment on the ranking system...
you should actually listen, he explains it rather well☝️
Stay in number 2
Go the irish girls! Idk if you saw that game but it was by far the most entertaining match of the weekend, v close and high tempo rugby. Coach has really turned things around for our team this year.
Weeeeeeeee are the champions my friend, dum dum dum dum, and weeeeee’ll keep on fighting ‘til the end……..☘️☘️☘️🇮🇪. We’re so good I can’t even remember us playing.
TCR: explains how the ranking system works.
SA fans: this is rubbish and doesn't make sence.
TCR: Continues to explain how it works and is fair for everyone involved.
SA fans: no
Not just SA fans find it weird. People understand how it works but feel like it could work a bit differently. Being critical of a system doesn't necessarily imply you don't understand it.
*sense
Not true. People understand it. Some people are saying that not gaining points after beating Argentina convincingly (who are a very good side/beat ABs at home) potentially isn't a good system.
Or are just trying to troll?
@@Tomk79rhby I'll take the spelling error on the chin. Fair enough 😂
I guess it comes down to opinion (in that case it's all subjective and there is no point discussing further)
But there are absolutely those who feel it's unfair for some teams and advantageous to others. It's the same rules for everyone and complaining about losing no.1 is ridiculous.
Sure it's obviously not every SA fan in the world but there are definitely some (even here In there comments)
Will be honest I was also just joking a bit. SA fans give it out all the time and should learn to take it
@aidangriffin1392
Well, you did infer there's a large scale dissent by not being number 1 (I have no way to know if youre joking or not). I pointed out that isn't true. Complaining about not going to number 1 after beating Argentina is ridiculous. Because there is a system in place and is applied to all teams. But pointing out that the system should perhaps work a bit differently because of x isn't ridiculous. Agree though. It is subjective and probably as good as any other system 🤷
I can take it. I didnt think you were dishing anything negative though. Just don't like bad arguments. On that point. SA fans do give it out all the time. And do take it. But so do irish, NZ and Eng teams give it out all the time. Go and look at SA videos and see how many irish fans are there to incite reactions. Isn't all one sided 🤷
can't discuss with Saffas all the same they fail to grasp the simple fact that the calculation WORKS FOR ALL TEAMS EQUALY. Ireland have played 7 and by year end 12 SA by year end 13, (1 v Portugal in there) for the 2024 year. Over the past 2 years Ireland have lost only 5 games and won 28 SA lost 9 and won 27... The rankings are NOT based on titles but GAMES PLAYED. Again BASIC MATH! IF you want to dig deeper and take 2021 in to the equation SA lost twice as many games as Ireland in that period!
Dude go cry somewhere else. We get how the calculations work.
Boks should play Ireland again soon
Criminal there wasn't a third match decider. Everyone would watch that.
Other than for a RWC draw, the ranking system means sweet FA! RWC Webb Ellis Trophy, Rugby Championship Cup, Freedom Cup, Nelson Mandela Trophy…one horse for the best team in the world really. Go Bokke #1 Rugby Union team in the world, currently! 🏉🇿🇦💪🥇
They are literally not nr1
NZ have three tough games this November, it's possible they could lose all three to Ireland, France and England. Wonder what that would do to their spot on the rankings if that happened...
Yeah man rankings will take a big hit if that's the case aye
NZ to beat Ireland (I back the ABs to get it done for some payback), as Ireland put the Nr1 spot up for grabs in every game, so let's see how they handle the pressure.
@@PhillipDawson10 I dunno who beat who, Ireland and France looking like favorites. But Kiwi's and Puma's will have the whole of SA backing them for those games.
Never ever bothered making a decision with the Rankings to be honest ,I get more smarter information from the Betting exchange and the bookie
ABs will beat Ireland in Ireland
To understand the rankings system you have to understand what they punish and what they reward. They punish home losses and losing to teams you should beat. Conversely they reward away wins and less likely wins.
The boks lost at home - to Ireland - and to a team much lower than them that they should beat. So from that point of view the movements make sense
His point was about starting the RC at 1 and going down, thus making the Ireland loss irrelevant to this discussion.
@@Ho3n3r The Ireland loss is not irrelevant since it contributes to the points SA started the RC with.
I'm always amazed at how hard the rugby rankings get to understand when people aren't satisfied with them.
And that is a fair system ?
@@robinchanguion5400 don't know if it's fair or not. That's just the way it is
@Ho3n3r the ireland loss took a lot of points off the boks. Which meant that just one loss during the rugby championship would knock them off top spot. When you're top of the totem pole, the only place you can go is down. Remember, Ireland went 17 games unbeaten before losing to nz in the quarters and losing their no 1 ranking in the process. Staying on top requires a serious level of consistency
No doubt that some of those Boks players are on steroids
Probably, but as a South African who played rugby in pre school as one of the smaller players, it felt like I was already playing against full grown adults on steroids. So I wouldn't be surprised if they are just built different.
They’re endurance the fact they constantly win, photos of some of the players I have seen and their power over many years doesn’t add up.
lol
Ranking system does not make sense at all,, Springboks are the number 1 team in the world!! Bench mark of rugby atm, and by far the most dept! Even kiwi friend Justin mentioned it in a podcast😊
No.2
Nah they are number 2. They lost to Ireland at home and then lost to a far lower ranked team. They are slipping.
You also should add Mark, that Ireland gained some good points by beating the Springboks in a Test match in South Africa. And they won the Six Nations beating teams that were ranked higher than the teams the Boks beat in the Rugby Championship, so it's not much of a case to say it's counterintuitive.
The 6 Nations was in February and March. The Rugby Championship only just ended.
@@wlk240841 points in a home game against weaker opposition, if it was an away game you would have got points.
@@wlk2408 no one is crying over rugby, we're just surprised you're so bad at math.
I think the part that feels weird is - you win the comp and you go down in the rankings. I feel like most people would assume if you win, you go up 😅
@@wlk2408 Because they were too far ahead of them in points. They were on 91, while Argentina were on 84. The point of the rankings system is the higher you are ranked the harder it is to get points, especially if you're playing an opponent that's ranked lower than you not just in position but in points difference also.
@@TwoCentsRugby This system has been around for over 20 years. I think we're well used to it at this stage. 😂
It's swings and roundabouts, irelands don't have many chances to pick up pts for the next year, our 3 games vs teams close to us (Nz, England, France),are all at home so won't get many pts, and with a summer tour likely vs a tier2 team, we probably won't have an away game vs a team close in the ranking until the 2026 6ns, unless Scotland have a big Autumn series
Bloody hell. The convicts in dangers of falling out of the top 10 for the first time ever...
Luckily for them, they're not playing Wales in the end of year tour.
your first statement, add to that that Ireland didn't play during the period, it makes the rankings even more bizarre, boks win 5, lose 1, ireland play none and go to no1. It's really difficult to build a truly objective ranking system in any sport, at least they sorted the RWC draw
"This fella in China". Did you lust refer to yourself in the third person? I have always thought that that was the preserve of Vivian Richards and Muhammad Ali.
Thanks for explaining the Boks slip to no. 2. It's strange and counter-intuitive but I get how it happened now. In the end, rankings are interesting but irrelevant until the world cup draw comes around.
Always a pleasure to watch.
On a side note, I think your channel would benefit from covering the women's game. We need to see more women playing to encourage support etc.
Should the teams not playing start losing points on a slow pace? If it wasn't the case; tiger woods will still be number one and will remain there for the rest of time.
oh man, getting chased from a temple in China? Now I got to see that one.
👀😂
what’s the name of your other channel?
If im correct the only way a team gets points against a lpwer rank team is if the point diff is less than 6 points
🎼 Don’t look down, it’s a long, long way to fall 🎶🎵
I’ve always hated this system, it is fundamentally biased against the better teams which seems a bit daft, and the danger is what happened in the last RWC draw which was a bit of a farce.
The big problem with the rankings system is that understanding it requires some elementary math which is completely beyond a lot of people.
It has to be that way or the points would keep growing and the rankings would barely ever change.
Don't be losing to teams ranked way below you and you don't lose big points.
SA should not be losing to Argentina.
And NZ should not either especially at home.
Ireland lost 1 game too but it was away and only by 2 points I think to England and they were ranked only 2 or 3 places below us.
It kind of makes sense to me.
If SA had lost to NZ rather than Argentina then they would still be ranked no.1
Everyone knows the Boks are the best team in the world at this stage ... that can change quickly ofcourse but the rankings should not fool anyone about the truth
What a shit system,must be designed by the British
Keep up the good work World Rugby ...
Top 4 are almost impossible to beat at home
Yeah tell that to the bloody Pumas when they came and beat us down here 😅
@@TwoCentsRugby Ye, and the Irish beating the boks but I did say almost hahaha
@@CptRumcanYour WC win is still solid. 😀
Be nice time for the number 1 in the world Ireland to have a team photo in front of their world cup trophy cabinet.😅
Get real they get nothing ......an easy ride at the world cup and thats there lot .Sexton is a cry baby as well.
@@frankmoffitt1391 when will be the next game between Boks and Ireland?
Tiocfaidh ar la.
Beat the Boks first, twice In a row and only then you'll be the 1st in the world.....
It's in the developing process it will be there when it's ready😊
Essentially when you are at top, you will only go down when you eventually lose, but can hardly go up when you win.
Yeah man you end up scraping points here and there - and any upset loss comes at a big price
It must be so annoying when a small country like Ireland where rugby is just the Third most popular sport… but they keep beating the country’s where rugby courses through their veins!
Cough cough.. South Africa
In reality it only takes three club teams to be competitive. Thats all Australia had in the 90s and rugby is their 3-4 sport.
You only need 15 good players as you can't fit anymore on the field.
But when you use players from all around the world it makes it easier.
@mr193193193
Troll 🤡
Going off registered players per capita, Ireland have more than SA where soccer dwarfs rugby in popularity. So statistically, if rugby pumps through our veins, then it does too for Ireland.
Dont act like Ireland are way better than SA. Down to the wire every game. Decided by a drop goal last time.
Is it annoying? No. It's great for rugby to have such close contests
I believe Ireland has a similar or slightly larger GDP than SA (probably due to Ireland's colonialist roots), so I wouldn't be so quick to use size as an argument, since you can just buy players (Bundi Aki)
etc
If the Boks beat Scotland, England and Wales in Nov do they go back to no 1?
@@WyndhamPGP i would also like to know that
We can take points off England and Scotland. Wales too far below us. Ireland can only get points off the AB's. I think the only way to get to the top spot, is for Ireland to at least lose to the AB's.
@@spervuurproduksies eks sommer net lus die Bokke speel teen Ierland en wen hulle 38/5.
@@Goggawie Dis hoog tyd!
Yes but only if Ireland lose a match.
What’s more important to be world champions or ranked no 1 in the world … personally I would take the World Cup
@@leightonkeutenius4455 off course
World champs all day every day
Of course, but that doesn't diminish the achievement of a small country being ranked No 1 in the world.
Obviously there is a huge amount of prestige in being ranked the top side and it is almost a kind of cumulative indicator as to how you've performed over the last year.
And I know a great many of our guys would pretend that it doesn't sting losing it, but the very fact that it is mentioned is proof that yes, it does hurt.
BUT.
We also have to keep eyes on the prize. And no, I'm not even talking about the world cup - that will take care of itself and will be decided in the big moments. I'm talking about what I call the Cliff of 2028. We are almost certain to lose Kolisi, Etzebeth, Malherbe, Kitshoff, Koch, Faf, Cobus, Cheslin and Willie Le Roux - if not more - at that time.
No matter what happens in 2027, 2028 is going to be a hard year for us and it is imperative that we start building up our reserves in order to make sure that we don't crash and burn when the bulk of our squad retires.
So yes, losing the top spot hurts a little, but there are more pressing priorities to take care of.
They are two different things.
In China sans a hat?
There has to be a points exchange regardless the gap between teams. Ridiculous that Aust win 1 from 6 and has more points than they started with whilst SA win 5 from 6 has significantly less points than they started with. It's flawed.
No it makes perfect sense.
It depends where in the rankings the teams they play are and if the matches are home or away.
Your Bok blazer is getting a little worn out lately 😂
your mothers wobbly hole got a little worn out after you fell right out of it
Thanks
Go 🦈 s
hulle weet nie wat ons weet nie 🎉
Let Ireland enjoy this pyrrhic victory. It’s all they can do during the years leading up to a RWC. In 2027, it will be second verse same as the first. They will never get out of the quarter finals. It’s a curse.
Exactly! So just relax and enjoy all the games in between.
Why didn't the Boks score any points for their emphatic win over Los Pumas? Not even 0.01? How does that make sense?
weren't within 5 places
I think they were too far ahead on points. They were over 7 points ahead of them before the game on Saturday.
Beating a low ranked team should never give a top team points…otherwise nations wanting to be at the top would only play lower ranked teams to secure spot as number 1. Makes perfect sense!
It makes perfect sense. The points swap is mathematically based on the table points of each side at the time of the game, with three points given to the home team. That put us (SA) just over 10 points clear of Argentina so the calculation used returned a zero point result.
@@pauljansen6650 That's not a thing, it's about points, not about table position.
5:07 Mark the Rizzler🔥
Yeah that was unexpected, lol
The ranking in my opinion is a damn joke. It should really be revised as this is not a true reflection of the current situation in the rugby world. But at least the Irish are now happy since the rankings means everything to them
What a stupid ranking system😮
Stupid if u r uneducated & a top notch knob
Does anyone care about rankings? Doubt it.
Nobody cares when they dropping down , it’s their comfort zone.
Only when they're on top.
You cared enough to click on a video about it, and then to comment. 😂
@@ColinGrealy you’re right because they matter .
@@ColinGrealy duh
Bokke are clearly number one, as a kiwi. Japan 14th, go eddie
World champions yes. But they lost to both Ireland and Argentina this year, and Ireland beat them in South Africa. To say 'clearly', I think you've greatly misused that term as a whole entirely....
@@conorcahill5422Ireland also lost to South Africa & to England.
Nah they're number two. It's written on the big board, "as a kiwi" doesn't add anything to it since you lost both games to them, others didn't.
Rankings are pretty fair the only one I have a question mark over is Argentina and Scotland.. I still think Scotland would probably beat them
@@mrwelshmun difficult to say. Arg has become real strong
Don't think Scotland could beat NZ at home like argentina did? 🤷
In fact, Scotland have never beaten NZ
So id give the edge to Argenina at the moment
Tell me this. If you lose by 1 point and win by 41 how does that not balance out? How can Ireland get points when they basically NEVER play the best teams in the world? And when they do they lose most of the games. Also Ireland for years can only beat the springboks B team if the ref helps them. If the bias in World rugby is not clear to you you are blind
@@erickdavid2412 yeah. I thought so too. Why not add 2 points of the last game, not as if there weren't enough, to the previous one.
@@Tomk79rhby Yeah but Scotland keep beating England and England keep running over Argentina every time they play.
I'd say Scotland and Argentina are about the same level, next tier down.
So, on paper, Ireland would beat the Boks, but what about on grass? 😊
Last 5 games 4 wins to ireland 1 to the boks... in SA... That answers that question.😉
@@joelyons886yeah, the Boks haven’t won in Dublin in over a decade, whereas Ireland have 2 wins in SA in the last 8 years.
TF you talking about dude Ireland just beat SA in SA with a severely weakened team and have won 4 of the last 5 against SA.
Is there something funny in the water down there. Like, seriously?
@@ColinGrealy Rankings are basic math and are correlated in the main over 4 year cycle in that period the Boks have played 47 Games W33L14 Ireland over the same period played 42 with W35 L7 So considering we've won more lost fewer and have a 4w/1l against the Boks it's head scratching as to how they think the rankings are not reflective in where the teams sit
@@Camcolito 🤣 it's Saffa logic hahaha like when the AB's were clearly the best in the world during the 90, 00, 20 + years yet were not the WC's but I'd challenge ANYONE to match their record or indeed the results and prove me wrong... No different to the current rankings these are based on games played NOT COMPETITIONS ffs it's not hard BUT because we are dealing with Bokka fans here is a simple sum SA P47 W33 L14 IRL P42 W35 L7 But I think that's still gonna go over the Saffa's heads 🤣🤣🤣
World rugby rankings don't mean anything. Just ask any South African fan. Unless of course they have the number 1 rank spot, then good luck trying to get them to shut up about how amazing they are! 🤣🤣🤣🤦
Boks are still the best team in the world.
Right now, it's a toss up between them and Ireland this year. That's a fact.
Ireland goes to #1.....by not playing!! LOL
You really don't know how this whole ranking system works , do you?
The ranking system is after all meaningless.
@@stephendoherty981 - Tongue in cheek Nimrod...tongue in cheek! You really don't know how this whole humour thing works, do you?
@@Gavsta60and SA go to number 2… by losing! 😂
@@ColinGrealy PeanutGreasy - come talk to me when your nation of losers manage to get past a quarter-final in a world cup. 🤣🤣
You know that South Africa is back on top of the world rankings after the match on the 28th right
No we're not, he had the current rankings on his board. We didn't gain any points and Argentina didn't lose any in that match.
We didn't get any points from the win over Argentina; they are about 7 below us, but for home games you get a +3 handicap.
That means effectively we were ranked 10 pts higher than them, so no ranking points for us.
the system is rigged against us. Like the rules
@randomlyfactual1943
Are there bonus points for a final?
@@Spikeaccount675 In the current system, weighting (i.e more points) is only applied for matches at the World Cup. No other test matches - be it tours, Six Nations, Rugby Championship or any other competition - have weighting applied to the result.
Tournament wins/performance should probably factor into the rankings, not just individual game performances.
Complete, total and utter hogwash this so-called ranking "system". It's actually quite hilarious.
I am not convinced by the rankings. I am still puzzled that a "heroic defeat" when you give a much higher rated team a good bloody game and in common parlance "close the gap" is absolutely worthless by these metrics.
why are ALL the rules rigged against SA. Why is world rugby constantly trying to nerf the boks
South Africa deserves to be Number 1,
Not much between New Zealand, Ireland, England , France , Argentina and Scotland.
Nah, they don't.
Everyone knows who the real number one team in the world is right now
Exactly, they beat the World Cup holders in their own back yard. No questions.
The Rankings are nonsense.
Bokke will end up the year in number 1 , ireland can only take points off ABs in the end of year tour. but boks can get points from england and scotland .
There should be a weighted reward for winning a Championship or cup. Also for margin of win. SA lost by 1, then won by 41. Surely that should kind of cancel out the amount of points lost for a 1 point loss.
There is. Double points for the WC and bonus points for winning by more than 15. I understand Bok fans frustrations because the WC victory means everything to them, but Ireland have "been more successful against teams of higher ranking in recent times" than Boks have. That's what the rankings translate to. The loss to lowly Argentina and the home loss to Ireland did the damage.
You had 4 home games and 2 away. Fair enough not to get many points. Home advantage worth 5-10 points. Opportunity comes next year with 2 home and 4 away
Ireland can be ranked wherever, but cannot call themselves World Champions
Got to hate the Irish eh? South Africans hate Ireland.😂
@@dazza9859 hate is a strong word. Just a bit too arrogant for a team who has not won a single world cup knockout match in 10 world cups and think they are the best ever. If you disagree, have a look at the last world cup. Unlike teams who have won a world cup, Ireland celebrated pool game victories but failed to realise they have won nothing. That 'in your face' celebration after beating the Boks in the pool game my case in point. If only they could stay humble in victory, they could earn some respect. Have a look at the Springboks consoling the french team after the quarter final and you will see what I mean
It’s a load of shite
world rankings is a total joke !!!
How are Wales ranked 11 ?
NZL will beat Ireland in November.
That would be great tbh
I'm 50/50 on that.
My point about the rankings remains. When you arrange the games that will be played in the future, things can change that hinder or benefit you that are out of your control. Case and point, we will now be playing ireland, who are rank 1 when previously they were rank 2. Surely this benefits us? so as the fixtures are set, as they play out, what lays in front of you is changing as far as what you can and cannot gain. What if we arranged games for a season ahead and just by chance, by the time you played everyone they were below you lol.
Yeah man there's something to be said for arranging games that are winnable - if you're looking to bump up the ranking to ensure a top 6 spot before the draw... but yeah a lot can change between arranging and playing the game!
@@TwoCentsRugby I wonder if we could come up with a chart that at the end of the season shows how many points each team could of gotten in their season had they won every game. This might highlight , retrospectively, the advantage that some teams had over others. I guess ultimately though, when you are world number #1 you are effectively always being pulled down and have less points on offer to you as you are never playing anyone above you. But it would still be interesting.
That's exactly why the last world cup's pools were such a farce. Had like 1,3 and 6 in the same pool because the rankings looked a lot different when the draw was done.
You should have seen the celebrations in the streets in Ireland when they became ranked No.1!! Parties were held and pubs were full to the rafters. 'Ireland No.1' stickers are on every car in the four provinces. The IRFU flag is flying from every flagpole etc. . . . . NOT!! The only people who get excited about this seem to be from the Southern Hemisphere. It means nothing - no trophies are awarded for reaching it. SA are the World Champions and will remain so until the next one at least. Ratings are just for fun.
Great and all to be called World Champions. But here's a reality check. That's just a title for winning a competition that happens once every four seasons. That doesn't mean they won't lose games, because they still can and have lost 2x already. If they can't back up their claim as world champions, then they're showing just how ineffectual that term is.
@@conorcahill5422They won the Rugby World Cup, They won the Rugby Freedom Cup and they also won The Rugby Championship. Those are three trophies while Ireland won nothing but Ireland at the end is number 1 in the world? How does that happen?
@@wahwah7701by winning back to back 6 Nations and beating the boks in SA.
And if you’re going to start listing meaningless trophies like the Freedom Cup (who no one gave a damn about until this year when the Boks won the thing for the first time in forever), then Ireland also won a pointless trophy by beating Scotland, the Centenary Quaich.
@@wahwah7701 How ignorant you are to compliment your arrogance.
@@ColinGrealy But Still 2 6 nations Cup compared to a Rugby World Cup and Rugby Championship is no equal to the success of Springboks. Ireland have never even played the World Cup finals in there lives but they have more points than the record braking 4 times World Champion.
There is no point even doing gaming videos. They make no sense. Look at KOKO show and Boks office. Nobody agreed they make sense. It’s stupid.
Ireland didn’t play a game and climb and so it’s not well balanced.
If Ireland lose games in the 6 Nations, and drop below SA in the world rankings, will you object to SA going top even though they wouldn't be playing at that time?
@@qcsorter4626South Africa has 3 Cups. The Rugby World Cup, the Rugby Freedom Cup and the the Rugby Championship. Ireland won nothing but they are number 1? Make it make sense, how does that happen?
@@wahwah7701what do you mean Ireland haven’t won anything?? We won the six nations and we beat you in South Africa so that is why we are world number 1 please educate yourself on the ranking system
@@KEALY But still it's not equal. Your'll won 2 6 Nations Cups and South Africa won The Rugby Championship and South Africa also broke the world record and won the Rugby World Cup 4 times. Your'll have never even played the Rugby World Cup finals but your'll are number one? Rigged stats.
So, while I have been very impressed with S.A. this championship, I also wonder whether they have benefited somewhat from the current rules and yellow cards. They were lauded for thumping Argentina, but I believe they put 28 pts on them when they had a one (or two) man advantage. They also put away the AB's with some late yellow cards.
Now, while infringements and the like usually bear out with replays etc, some things do get missed.
Anyone know about a PSTD swinging arm to the head of an Argentine player at 9:43?
Good teams can get the 'rub of the green', are officials looking a bit 'one way'?
Poor discipline = penalties/cards. It's that simple. AB's and Puma's haven't adapted for a very long time. We saw it in the world cup, we saw it in the championship for NZ and the last game against the Boks for the Puma's. That's what cost you the game, not the referee. It's the same kind of thing a criminal would say if he gets caught. Not that what he did was wrong, but that he was caught doing it. BTW, your red card, it was only 20 min. SA gets full red card all day every day. Stats don't lie.
Argentina scored heaps of points in the previous game when KLA was off with a yellow too.
TMO missed Sam Kane's head contact on Siya against new zealand.
Cards are part and parcel of the game now. But refs and TMOs miss things all the time.
Sides give away cards when under pressure too. If sides subjects their opponents to immense pressure at the end of the game and they infringe to prevent tries, cards follow. New Zealand's discipline was poor.
To suggest that this is in SA's favour and that they benefit from the current rules is asinine.
@@Tomk79rhby Ok, maybe current officiating (the issuing of cards).
Without knowing the actual numbers, I would suggest that more cards have been issued in the last 5 years or so, than the previous 20. This is the current state and I believe S.A. are best at exploiting this thru their pressure game, and then (when they have a numerical advantage) they go on to win games - good on them. My argument (discussion) isn't about them per-se, but whether they are getting the same treatment.
Angus Ta'avao indicated that Tu'uangafasi was unlucky to get penalised (and then carded) in the first test in S.A. - Huge benefit. Now I hear that officials missed a possible card offense by DuToit. Just wondering.
@@kobuslouw9533 Yep, mostly agree with this (don't really understand the last bit).
But, are S.A. squeaky clean? That's why I asked about the Du Toit 'incident'. Maybe it was nothing, maybe it was...
@simonmaney3438
How is SAs pressure game better than NZ, Ireland and France?
I would argue that relentless attack and consequently scramble defence is another equitable avenue of cards being dished out as sides try to avoid giving away points.
So you are suggesting SA get preferential treatment. That's just bollocks. New zealand were warned for repeated infringements. Ofa copped the punishment. Don't care what Angus thinks. The ref saw it differently. You pointed at an instance. So did I. What about Sam's headshot on Siya not being carded? Where is the SA centric bias there? So it isn't all SAs way...
Nobody gives a sh1t about World Rugby and it's points system - just check the trophy cabinet. 😇
So why are you commenting about it if you don't care?