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  • Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
  • Has the family behind the Red Wedding always been so vile? Or did the Freys fall from grace? With the help of Quinn the GM, we'll be diving into the fascinating and dark history of House Frey. If you want to see our theories on their future in The Winds of Winter, check out The Fate of the Freys: • Winds of Winter Theory...
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    TIME STAMPS:
    00:00 - Haven & Quinn
    00:52 - Frey Origins
    02:37 - Early Targaryen Era
    05:43 - Dance of the Dragons
    07:25 - Late Targaryen Era
    10:40 - Game of Thrones
    13:48 - The Feasting Crows
    16:10 - The Fate of the Freys
    "A Song of Ice and Fire (commonly abbreviated as ASoIaF) is an ongoing series of epic fantasy novels by American novelist and screenwriter George R. R. Martin. Martin began writing the series in 1991 and the first volume was published in 1996.
    The story of A Song of Ice and Fire takes place in a fictional world, primarily on a continent called Westeros but also on a large landmass to the east, known as Essos. Most of the characters are human but as the series progresses others are introduced, such as the cold and menacing supernatural Others from the far North and fire-breathing dragons from the East, both thought to be extinct by the humans of the story. There are three principal story lines in the series: the chronicling of a dynastic civil war for control of Westeros among several competing families; the rising threat of the Others, who dwell beyond an immense wall of ice that forms Westeros' northern border; and the ambition of Daenerys Targaryen, the exiled daughter of a king who was murdered in another civil war fifteen years before, to return to Westeros and claim her rightful throne. As the series progresses, the three story lines become increasingly interwoven and dependent upon each other."
    "Game of Thrones is an American fantasy drama television series created by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss for HBO. It is an adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire, a series of fantasy novels by George R. R. Martin, the first of which is A Game of Thrones. Set on the fictional continents of Westeros and Essos, Game of Thrones has a large ensemble cast and follows several story arcs throughout the course of the show. The first major arc concerns the Iron Throne of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros through a web of political conflicts among the noble families either vying to claim the throne or fighting for independence from whoever sits on it. A second focuses on the last descendant of the realm's deposed ruling dynasty, who has been exiled to Essos and is plotting to return and reclaim the throne. The third follows the Night's Watch, a military order defending the realm against threats from beyond Westeros's northern border."
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  • @fantasyhaven1
    @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +43

    You can check out Quinn's channel here: www.youtube.com/@QuinnTheGM/videos

    • @viggstable305
      @viggstable305 Год назад +4

      rewatched this at .75 speed to try and grasp the true depth of Georges insanity ….or Genius ?

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +6

      @@viggstable305 ...Both? Let's say both

    • @kathyobrien792
      @kathyobrien792 Год назад +1

      Wyerweyty

  • @MiguelSanchezDelVillar
    @MiguelSanchezDelVillar Год назад +528

    The Freys are my favourite House of the Riverlands, they are self made Lords that crawled their way to the top while everyone mocked them, but then Walder had to ruin everything

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +145

      Walder finally bit off more than he could chew

    • @MiguelSanchezDelVillar
      @MiguelSanchezDelVillar Год назад +62

      @@fantasyhaven1 did he still had enough teeth to chew?

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +64

      @@MiguelSanchezDelVillar Yes but they're probably made of wood

    • @ox8833
      @ox8833 Год назад +8

      Completely agree. My buddy’s give me so my shit

    • @kinnundo6434
      @kinnundo6434 Год назад +23

      To be fair, what successful self-made dynasty *hasnt* committed the odd war crime here or there?

  • @redjirachi1
    @redjirachi1 Год назад +349

    Bolton: The bloodline has been full of psychopathy for millennia but for some reason was never straight up ended
    Frey: Honestly it wasn't until Walder Frey that they became House Hate Sink

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +105

      All it takes is one man to destroy a family legacy

    • @aguspuig6615
      @aguspuig6615 Месяц назад +2

      @@fantasyhaven1 Except with the Boltons ig

    • @davidlewis5312
      @davidlewis5312 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@aguspuig6615 I am sure there was a troubling time when Dalton Bolton nearly damned them all by promoting charity and mercy.

  • @Speleomimus
    @Speleomimus Год назад +90

    *Elmo's voice* "Elmo declare for Queen Rhanyra, Elmo bring death to her enemies hahahaha!!!!"

  • @giovanesantos7796
    @giovanesantos7796 Год назад +302

    15:19
    Just one correction, Wyman Manderly did not break guest right, he made sure to give the Freys three horses as "guest gift" which means from that moment on the Freys were not protected by the guest right anymore.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +86

      Good catch - I actually mention the horse gifts in our Fate of the Freys video on Quinn's channel

    • @nunyabiznes33
      @nunyabiznes33 Год назад +31

      Weren't the Freys butchered outside White Harbor?

    • @joeschmo4646
      @joeschmo4646 10 месяцев назад +9

      @@nunyabiznes33on the way back to winterfell

  • @nont18411
    @nont18411 Год назад +115

    The funniest part is that
    Everyone who hates House Frey for the Red Wedding all fall in love with Tywin Lannister and praise him as a great person even though he orchestrated it.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +62

      This will be the topic of a future video - dismantling the idea that Tywin is some sort of badass strongman who does the Harsh But Necessary Thing™

    • @yandespar3490
      @yandespar3490 11 месяцев назад +30

      People love themselves a good puppet master but no one loves puppets

    • @juliocesarmonterocruz2089
      @juliocesarmonterocruz2089 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@fantasyhaven1Can't wait for it!

    • @KnightwhotillrecentlysaidNI
      @KnightwhotillrecentlysaidNI 3 месяца назад +1

      All he did is payed Freys to do that. Freys complied because their petty spite is big

    • @tylerchapman9234
      @tylerchapman9234 3 месяца назад +5

      Tywin was a bad ass and the Freys were right to be mad at Robb.

  • @imalwaysbluffing
    @imalwaysbluffing Год назад +35

    I like how people were mad at the Frey’s for building a bridge and charging people to use it. That bridge had to of helped trade and they did build it on their own.

  • @benderthepirate
    @benderthepirate 9 месяцев назад +42

    Nobody:
    Not a single soul:
    Walder Frey: HOSTER TULLY ALWAYS LOOKED DOWN ON ME!

  • @pg9072
    @pg9072 Год назад +137

    “Do you deny it?” Wyman Manderly bit a sausage in half. “I confess…” He wiped grease from his lips. “…I confess that I know little of this poor boy. How old was the lad?” “Nine.” “So young. Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey.”
    Best quote involving a Frey 😅

  • @MrQdiddy85
    @MrQdiddy85 Год назад +101

    The Targaryen's being compared to the fire nation is surprisingly very accurate 😂

  • @QuinnTheGM
    @QuinnTheGM Год назад +434

    Only thing the Freys ever did wrong was not supporting Maegor SMH

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +131

      They could've finally been Lords Paramount of the Trident smh

    • @carastone3473
      @carastone3473 Год назад +40

      The Starks beg to differ.

    • @afrizalrinaldo8896
      @afrizalrinaldo8896 Год назад +44

      Well building that damn bridge is the right thing

    • @a.a677
      @a.a677 Год назад +8

      based

    • @ezananigussie3311
      @ezananigussie3311 Год назад +8

      @@afrizalrinaldo8896 literally the only reason they’re relevant

  • @nont18411
    @nont18411 Год назад +46

    14:20 “It remains unclear if they will hold a grudge for this in the long run.”
    I mean, just look at how forgiving they are with Robb Stark marrying Jeyne Westerling.

  • @AlgrenTheBlue
    @AlgrenTheBlue Год назад +139

    I really enjoyed this History lesson! It's wild to think that pre-Walder the Freys were actually solid

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +40

      It'll be fun to see how HOTD presents Forrest Frey

    • @jsky2695
      @jsky2695 Год назад +13

      Walder Frey took the moniker of jump start to heart.

    • @EyePatchGuy88
      @EyePatchGuy88 2 месяца назад

      Everyone seethed at House Frey demanding tolls for passage would've done the same if they had the foresight to build a bridge fortress first.
      It was a shame that Walder eas the one to have the same lust as Bobby B, spreading his foul seed all over the place. At least the daughters seem to have a good streak.

  • @renaigh
    @renaigh Год назад +24

    for every 7 Highborn lords, 8 of them are Frey.

  • @ashleightompkins3200
    @ashleightompkins3200 Год назад +31

    It goes to show how bloody OLD this world when you're considered to be part of a 'young house' and the family is 600 years old!

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +8

      600 is nothing when you think of the Starks (thousands of years old I think?)

    • @ashleightompkins3200
      @ashleightompkins3200 Год назад +3

      @@fantasyhaven1 Exactly, G.R.R Martin you brilliant bastard.

    • @Noobie2k7
      @Noobie2k7 4 месяца назад +4

      I always find it a little offputting though when there are these fictional medievil worlds that somehow have thousands of years of history without seeming to have progressed at all technologically. In the real world the 'medieval' period was only a couple hundreds years give or take before we had cannons and basic firearms. How has Westeros existed without any kinds of advancements at all for thousands of years, fantasy or no.

    • @justarandomcommenter570
      @justarandomcommenter570 4 месяца назад +7

      @@Noobie2k7 _"worlds that somehow have thousands of years of history without seeming to have progressed at all technologically.."_
      *laughs in Neolithic period*
      *laughs in Bronze age*
      *laughs in Iron Age*
      *laughs in Roman Empire*
      *laughs in Ancient China*
      All periods of history where people lived pretty much the same way for thousands of years with only a few changes on a technological level. And thats without magic, sorcery, spells, White Walkers and firebreathing dragons that complicate things :P
      Remember, the way we envision progress nowadays is a very industrial-era way of thinking. Ofc people wanted to improve their societies back then but the idea of "progress" as we know it was a very slow trickle of improvements over time not broad sweeping changes.
      Also, theres plenty of reasons why progress could be slowed. Wars, political turmoil, disease, famine, invasions, natural disasters etc. Im also sure that the ASOIAF world did see progress during the time of the Valyrian Freehold but after their collapse things regressed. And we havent even discussed how technological progress could be further hampered by stuff like magic and dragons....

    • @tater8251
      @tater8251 3 месяца назад +5

      @@justarandomcommenter570 To give some reference, House Stark alone has been in charge of the north for eight thousand years(Note, not in existence, just being the rulers of the north), that is as long as the Neolithic period and bronze age *combined*.
      I think its more just GRRM either feeding into abit of the fantasy aspect of the world, since most fantasy worlds have crazy times, or just not fully realizing quite how long thousands of years are lol

  • @JoziMr
    @JoziMr Год назад +33

    A young Walder Frey appears in the Tales of Dunk and Egg.

  • @mattjack3983
    @mattjack3983 Год назад +10

    4 year old Walder Frey needed a clout in the ear.

  • @iateabagelonce
    @iateabagelonce Год назад +25

    This was so clever and well done and really helps me with my reread! I'm starting ASoS so it's good to get such a good breakdown of the Freys.
    Also this is random, but you finally FINALLY reminded me of what the Freys remind me of - old fairytales about bridge trolls. Like, Three Billy Goats Gruff type stuff, lol

  • @rrgale55
    @rrgale55 Месяц назад +1

    LMAO!! "After Rob Stark remembers he's a teenage boy and sleeps with Jane Westerly, he marries her to preserve her honor."
    OP. You are awesome at making videos!!

  • @M0rganKane
    @M0rganKane Год назад +15

    Walder Frey could have become lord of the crossing before the reign of Jaehaerys II since it is far from certain every king has visited the Twins in their reign. He could have inherited as early as the reign of Aerys I for all we know.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +5

      I agree - Quinn is assuming that every King must have visited him

  • @dennisyoungblood7752
    @dennisyoungblood7752 Год назад +34

    Actually, Wyman didn't break guest right, because he gave them a guest gift. Which means the Freys were no longer guests. That's if he even baked them into pies, it's actually a good chance that the Brotherhood Without Banners got them, if you ask me.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +8

      I actually mention the Guest Right loophole in my collab video with Quinn - he gives them a palfrey each

    • @ccorvid
      @ccorvid 4 месяца назад

      don't they even say that the palfrey's were ""found"" but not the riders?
      I could be misremembering that, bc that's 5x more sus, if true

    • @dennisyoungblood7752
      @dennisyoungblood7752 4 месяца назад +1

      @@ccorvid yeah, I believe you are correct

  • @essuuuu4538
    @essuuuu4538 Год назад +10

    I should be writing a 10-page history essay right now. Instead I'm binge-watching a fun new ASOIAF channel. I wonder if my professor would accept an essay about the fantastical history of a certain house Frey... I mean, the whole story of asoiaf is essentially the war of roses, so it's basically history, right??
    Jokes aside, great video and interesting topic. So many asoiaf channels focus on the histories of Targaryens and Starks (which are also fun ofc!) so it's refreshing to hear about other houses too, especially a house that doesn't get much love from the fandom.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +5

      Just put my channel in your footnotes, you'll get full marks I promise 😂
      As a historian myself, I definitely wanna do some videos comparing asoiaf to real history at some point. And lots of people have been asking for me to cover minor Houses too! Too many ideas... 🤔

    • @essuuuu4538
      @essuuuu4538 Год назад +2

      @@fantasyhaven1 a fellow history enthusiast, ooh wee!
      Both of those ideas sound fun.
      A thought: I like how in the "where -was Gondor when Westfold fell- were the Velaryons/Hightowers during X" videos you approached the family history through a certain event. That could work for other houses too: take a few houses and tell their POVs of the different historical events in Westeros. And maybe even sprinkle some Real World Hard History Facts in there as well, somehow.
      Whatever you do, please keep those silly characters/drawings/things😄

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +2

      Yep the animations are here to stay!

  • @julioulloa5403
    @julioulloa5403 Год назад +18

    I really really wanted a frey's history video. This is great ❤

  • @Tyler-rw1ij
    @Tyler-rw1ij Год назад +9

    I love the animations. Especially the end when the guest’s cartoon keeps blocking fantasy😂

  • @aliasfakename3159
    @aliasfakename3159 10 месяцев назад +1

    "They're one of the youngest noble houses."
    The green Fossoways: "Am I a joke to you?"

  • @obsidian00
    @obsidian00 Год назад +18

    “Winter WILL come for House Frey!” …well, it would if the series is ever finished…which it won’t 😢

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +9

      I still believe...

    • @obsidian00
      @obsidian00 Год назад +5

      @@fantasyhaven1 …and that’s why I follow you!

  • @Gala-yp8nx
    @Gala-yp8nx Год назад +13

    I fully expect the Manderly forces to turn on the Freys and team up with Stannis to massacre them.

  • @thisguy8106
    @thisguy8106 Год назад +11

    Manderly never broke Guest Right. He gave them the Guest Gifts on the Freys departure which cleared the Manderly's of breaking Guest Right.
    I do wish the books would dive a bit more into that "loophole", for lack of a better word for it.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +6

      I actually mention this in the Fate of the Freys video on Quinn's channel

  • @randominternetguyoffical
    @randominternetguyoffical Год назад +3

    Your breakdowns are great, you have a great sense of humor and an alt shift x level of edit going on and its really workin for me!

  • @harrysam6100
    @harrysam6100 Год назад +9

    Can you make videos about the histories of different houses? Namely lesser known houses too? This video was pretty great!

  • @viggstable305
    @viggstable305 Год назад +3

    Very much enjoyed this, glad you guys collaborated so could find fantasy haven

  • @realdaggerman105
    @realdaggerman105 Год назад +4

    Ah finally a new video from my favourite sightly loreman!

  • @snoot4873
    @snoot4873 Год назад +3

    New sub here! I love not only how you break things down so easily (because ASOIAF) has just soooo much info and your humor is badass I love it!!! Super excited to hear more videos on the westeros world!

  • @saraseveryn8650
    @saraseveryn8650 Год назад +6

    New subscriber! I enjoy what I'm seeing so far :)
    I will definitely watch more of your ASOIAF videos. Thank you for the content & good luck on your channel

  • @ianscott9596
    @ianscott9596 Год назад +8

    2 of my favorite GOT youtubers collaborating! A surprise to be sure but a welcome one!

  • @collinwehr4170
    @collinwehr4170 Год назад +1

    Love your sense of humor homie. Keep on making these kickass videos!

  • @nunyabiznes33
    @nunyabiznes33 Год назад +10

    Love them or hate them, they undeniably have one of the cooler castles in Westeros, together with the Hightowers. Like, who else lives in a fookin bridge (aside from modern hobos)?!

  • @Tennis932000
    @Tennis932000 Год назад +19

    The ASOIAF community crossovers are getting juicier!!🤌🏾🤌🏾

  • @thorbjorn4164
    @thorbjorn4164 Год назад +9

    Cool video dude, I like the animations you put throught the video
    Would you be interested in talking about Euron or the Bolt-On tinfoil next? It'd be pretty interesting to see a Cthulhu-like Euron or an Other/Vampire-y Roose in your style. I just really like those two concepts being talked about in particular I guess lol Thanks for the entertaining content!

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +4

      Thanks! And yeah, I'm planning on organising a new schedule that involves talking about a House, a Theory, and something related to HOTD every month. I talked a little bit about Euron on my Hightower video

  • @adambarleyii3357
    @adambarleyii3357 Год назад +2

    Fantastic video! You two work well together

  • @elliearmstrong9843
    @elliearmstrong9843 Год назад +27

    I can't wait to root for House Frey in the Storming of Stone Hedge and the Fish Feed!! Also I really hope they actually depict the Frey's influence on the war and that Forrest Frey is a named character who actually gets his proper send off.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +15

      Fuck it. Henry Cavill as Forrest Frey.

    • @jimwell5608
      @jimwell5608 Год назад +14

      Yeah.. wish HOTD would feature Forrest Frey in the next season so to kinda redeem the House's reputation especially to TV viewers. That not every Frey is as bad as Walder.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +11

      I'll be disappointed if they make Forrest a generic weaselly Frey

  • @alfieingrouille1528
    @alfieingrouille1528 Год назад +9

    I came here from Quinn's vid.

  • @MDbaseball3
    @MDbaseball3 Год назад +5

    Love the combo with you guys. Subscribing to both

  • @pblue305
    @pblue305 6 месяцев назад +1

    “Unlike his descendant Walder he’s not a complete bitch.” So funny😆😆😆😆 and so true

  • @DarkKing009
    @DarkKing009 Месяц назад +1

    House The Freys of the Crossing
    Motto: Screw you pay me

  • @eastcorkcheeses6448
    @eastcorkcheeses6448 Год назад +4

    The map of westeros ( well the south ,) is Ireland upside down , and my city Cork is roughly where " the twins" is ,
    The city emblem is 2 towers with a water gate between them ( and a ship but )
    Not a million miles from the Frey emblem though ..

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +1

      Damn that's awesome

    • @sou713
      @sou713 Год назад

      You mean the North?

    • @bruh7862
      @bruh7862 Год назад +1

      @@sou713 No he means the south. Casterly Rock and Lannisport correspond with Dublin, Oldtown is roughly around the Belfast area, the Vale is the Munster area and the Stormlands are Connaught. It's the Vale and the Stormlands which are the most obvious to me. The North is modelled extremely roughly off of Great Britain with Bear Island being the Isle of Mann while the Neck has the rough shape of Cornwall and the south coast, the Wall and the Night's Watch match up with Hadrian's Wall on the English-Scottish border.

  • @robertthompson2601
    @robertthompson2601 2 месяца назад

    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that that frey knew it was a long shot to marry into targaryen line but he was still gonna give it a shot

  • @rohaankhan7523
    @rohaankhan7523 Год назад +22

    It's so wired that in the show we are supposed to believe that Arya was able to poison all the freys like did she also poison all the frey children?
    House frey cannot just end like that

    • @thatoneblackdude3333
      @thatoneblackdude3333 Год назад +9

      They won't in the books they will get the full wrath of the North once Jon becomes king of the North and Walder fray will get a proper end fed to ghost.

    • @TheFamilyMan862
      @TheFamilyMan862 Год назад +4

      Add the fact the after Arya some how sets a massive banquet and kill all the Freys no one mention it’s

    • @thatoneblackdude3333
      @thatoneblackdude3333 Год назад +8

      @@TheFamilyMan862 let's also forgot how she somehow made it from all the way from Bravos to the riverlands and then somehow made it into the castle and killed 2 frays and later the whole house in a matter of days .

  • @keatonstjohn5186
    @keatonstjohn5186 Год назад +4

    I love your style of videos! It makes something as complicated as the books easily understandable for someone as slow as me. Much appreciated, I noticed that you uploaded your first video only 5 month's ago, do you have a email for business inquiries?

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +1

      Thanks! Yep, you can find my business email in my channel's About section

  • @EKJ313_
    @EKJ313_ Год назад +6

    What does a Frey know of honor?

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +3

      *nothing*

    • @Qbgarden
      @Qbgarden Год назад +1

      About as much as the Dornish know of the North

  • @CatotheE
    @CatotheE Год назад +4

    9:20 I think he wasn't counting Robb. Most likely, it was Aegon V, Aerys II and Robert I.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +2

      Probably. Although maybe he didn't host ALL of the Kings - in which case the earliest possible King Walder Frey could have become Lord under was Aerys I, when he was a child

  • @anneconner1108
    @anneconner1108 Год назад +1

    “ that same puntable 4 yeah old became lord of the crossing” 😂😂😂😂

  • @acouplegamerz3340
    @acouplegamerz3340 Месяц назад

    Wyman never breaks guest right he gives guest gifts.

  • @Outlaw8908
    @Outlaw8908 6 дней назад

    Currently I think the Frey’s currently also might have succession issues given how many heirs Walder has. When Walder dies expect some of those branches to start killing each other. Why? Stevron’s line might go kaput.

  • @ToucanBinks
    @ToucanBinks Год назад +1

    Got you with the sub my friend 👍
    Came over from Quinn's Channel and enjoyed you guys working on stuff together

  • @liamdenise246
    @liamdenise246 3 месяца назад

    The problem is that they could have become so powerful, so respected, had they simply worked for it.
    The Freys kept asking for rewards and promises without doing anything first, arriving after the Trident had already been won and being annoyed you weren't rewarded, keep in mind they never fought in the rebellion either, then WOTFK where Walder refuses to answer the calls to arms, he threatens to hand Robb and Catelyn over to Tywin, demands two stark marriages, squires, fosterings and more marriages to other northerners all to let them cross the bridge and help own his liege lord.
    They got ever more arrogant over time, and started seeing themselves as untouchable and not dependant on actually fighting for their liege lord to win or showing their loyalty, as well as deserving of things that they did not have a right to nor were they particularly worthy of.
    The marriage to one of Walders sons of Genna is a example, they had no right to it and it was a stupid match that gave nothing to the lannisters and meant Genna had to stay in the Rock because her husband was to inherit nothing and was just sponging off of Walder.
    Then with Hoster Tully, while yes they aren't a bad match on paper, that does not mean that the Tullly's had to marry Edmure to them in order to continue ruling the riverlands nor that they were the only choice. And marrying Elmar to Arya is stupid, because while with Robb it makes sense in a very greedy yet somewhat beneficial for both sides way, Elmar is another son who will inherit nothing and therefore will have to sponge off of Walder or live in Winterfell dependant on Robb supporting his sister.
    At least with other marriages they often offer something to both, like Florents marrying to baratheon or Ned to Catelyn, but the Freys seem to just assume they deserve these marriages and not think of the benefits or even how the couple will be able to live.
    Not every family will let their married female member and her husband with nothing to his name stay rent free in their castle for the rest of their life.

  • @simplestgamerz691
    @simplestgamerz691 Год назад +2

    Two legends in one video 🎉

  • @1OnlyOneOnlyOne1
    @1OnlyOneOnlyOne1 Год назад +3

    Respect to Quinn the GM for coming to a younger channel and showing love.

  • @thespanishinquisition4078
    @thespanishinquisition4078 Год назад +3

    I love House Frey's lore. But there is one point I just seriously think needs changing. Them being the youngest house of westeros despite having been founded 600 years ago and fought through so many internal conflicts.
    Now don't get me wrong. I am 100% in favor of them being TREATED like new nobility and glorified tax collectors. But not BEING it. Why?
    Well because 600 years is a lot of time and internal conflicts are usually when most nobiliary houses are founded. Generally speaking low nobles, burgeoisie and men at arms tend to wind up promoted to high nobility when a segment of that previous high nobility was on the loosing side of a war to decide the new liege.
    That's not to say every civil war ends in a purge. Many don't. And most of the loosers likely would still wind up ok either by peace treaty or simply turning coat before the fight gets tough. But there tends to be a reshufling of the more problematic or unfortunate houses for some more loyal blood.
    Taking into account the way the Targaryen took over. I'm fairly sure they would have wound up forming quite a few major houses in those 600 years. Certainly larger than mere lords like the Frey. Counts at the very least.
    BUT. "New nobility" was more about ideology than actual right. As a european that actually paid attention in history class and learned a bit of my own I can find multiple examples, but I dare say the most comparable to House Frey would be the Red Dukes, the family of Medina-Sidonia. So excuse my quick history class.
    The first duke of Medina Sidonia earned his title by military right, having led the war effort against part of the Serranía de Cádiz and been extremely successful, way more than the other pretenders to the title and way, way more than expected. Before him the house was fairly small, being only minor nobility. They were part of the "Segura", basque men at arms turned lower nobility by military right as part of the Castillian army during the reconquista. And in their case while they had earned their own name, they would keep these roots quite clear, labeling the castles made by the house with 1 or 2 segurs at the side of the gates. (The Segura were known by that name due to the use of the Segur, a particular type of hatchet, as a sort of "badge of office" for men at arms of the basque and inner aragonese regions. The nobiliary house comes from the Castillian-Conquered "Basque Country" as said men at arms would be a very significant part of the Castillian army. And known for their prowess.)
    This was already a bit of an issue. While being proud of military might was no problem for nobles at the time. Being proud of coming from lowborn men at arms that rose through the ranks through it, and proud enough to openly display it despite having been given a nobiliary title, was a very easy way to earn a place at the top of the old nobility's "shit" list. But that was far, FAR from the last slight, the house of Medina-Sidonia would EARN their place as the old nobility's most hated rivals through great effort. So much so that even this first duke had multiple assassination attempts done of him, one of which was traced back to the very king that had made him a duke. They REALLY pissed people off.
    You see. Once you became a duke you had the right to knight people into lower nobility. This would be used for politics hence why Spain would come to have a knightly class so bloated than the territory of asturias would erect the right to universal hidalguia and declare even the servants born there would be knighted at birth. This isn't an exageration or joke it was that problematic. But that rarely mattered because if there's one thing Spain wasn't lacking was conflict to throw these "lower nobles" at. Be it as conquistadors, crusaders, mercenaries, fighting on the many external wars, or just fighting on the many, many, MANY internal ones Spain went through... Seriously when Charles the 1st and Vth took the throne he fought 2 simultaneous civil wars and his reign is still considered relatively peaceful internally compared with the rest of the empire. Spain regularly set itself on fire back then.
    Point is. This right would still have... "faux pass" of sorts. Generally speaking, knighting men at arms from branches of old lineages that hadn't proved themselves yet was considered very good by the old nobility. Knighting cargadores (sea merchants) for their prowess as burgeoisie was a good way to earn enemies. Knighting ex-bandits turned "voluntarios" (irregular infantry) and members of the Santa Hermandad (a peasant's militia turned police force) was the easiest way to have the rest of the nobility literally try to get you killed. And now you know one of the reasons why the assassination attempts happened.
    But why? Why would they do this? Well, 2 reasons. First, they ideologically had a lot of enemies from the start. This will matter a lot more later. So they guessed knightly houses that were seen that badly would be more loyal to them, whereas knightly houses from ancient men at arm lineages had a high probability of wondering if taking on their lieges might make them dukes. The second reason is the serrania itself. The land they were given was extremely mountainous and having been war torn for a very long period of time as it was the border between christians and muslims, criminality back then was through the roof. And back then the best way to kill criminals was to hire criminals as voluntarios, plus spain had a lot of history of hiring bandits as light infantry. Even some "old houses" that hated Medina-Sidonia like the Golfines started that way. In a way high crime hard to scout areas like the serrania didn't fight crime as much as pick favourites. So that's what they did.
    On top of this while the Marquis of Cádiz, the house on top of Medina-Sidonia, was generally not that problematic, they were firmly burgeoisie-aligned liberals and mostly didn't get into issued because they were so hands off. Being a very urban house that for the most part didn't care what the dukes under them did so long as they didn't cause too much issues so they could focus on keeping trade with america going, and every once in a while funding tech advances pretty hard. So while the Marquis themselves didn't cause issues, being under them was already a stain on your legacy, being under them and even more problematic was political hell.
    But this is far from where our tale ends as then the war of succession comes. And here real life and GoT come together beautifully. While Medina-Sidonia weren't tax collectors for a river pass, they were so for a MOUNTAIN pass, and between their need for more policing and their extreme allegiance to the Misioneros who they funded, they were known for being particularly voracious collectors and corrupt to boot. Having the propaganda of the old nobility against them likely didn't help their image. But still the war of succession was roughly fought on medieval non-political terms with allegiance coming more out of power dynamics. Which explains why the Marquis took the side of the French, despite being liberals. While Medina-Sidonia fought for the side of the Austrians. Medina-Sidonia lost but much like Frey, not much came of it.
    However, when the Bourbons took charge the Marquis would come to lament having won that war. As back then france was far more centralized and totalitarian than Spain, and while the Bourbon candidate had promised to keep Spain's political system, he didn't get the throne and the one who did immediately went on to try to impose their political system, known in Spain as Ultra-Absolutism. Actively fighting both the Social-Catholics like Medina Sidonia and the Liberals like the Marquis.
    This is what kickstarts the period of far more political and intense internal struggles in Spain. And this pushed the social-catholics like medina sidona to being firmly liberal allied, specially since the Bourbons tried to ban the Jesuits and other missionary orgs. Which is why even nowadays many jesuit branches have gone so far left they even became the main drivers of many marxist movements.
    This is why the house of Medina-Sidonia came to be known as the Red Dukes. As they went full left wing, and even allied with the republicans, for which they would spend Franco's tenure in exile. Still, the current Duchess is to this day a fairly political figure and having recovered some of her wealth after the transition to democracy she's been funding some fairly important social programs.
    But my point for this very long rant is, even to this day the current Red Duchess is treated as "new nobility", as an upstart that shouldn't be counted amongst the REAL "grandes"... despite her house being centuries older than many of those criticizing them for it. And having earned that title for far more honorable ways.
    So I can totally see why the Frey would be TREATED that way. But I can't believe they genuinely ARE the youngest house in westeros. Way too much has happened in those 600 years for them to still be the latest to rise to that stature.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +4

      Genuinely fascinating to read, thanks for the history lesson

  • @FugaxContrapunctus
    @FugaxContrapunctus Год назад +2

    After seeing the thumbnail, I genuinely thought it was some blursed map of Mesopotamia

  • @hitsugitypinas3986
    @hitsugitypinas3986 Год назад +1

    this channel is underated. funny and entertaining.

  • @Qbgarden
    @Qbgarden Год назад +2

    Willing to bet the Freys smell less of "new money" and more of old socks.

  • @Spllyn
    @Spllyn 4 месяца назад

    Your very good at lore videos! Respect

  • @flyflybaby2723
    @flyflybaby2723 8 месяцев назад

    That video is both informative and hilarious🤣

  • @Ghastly_Grinner
    @Ghastly_Grinner 3 месяца назад +2

    Manderley didn't break guest right he gave them horses and sent them on ahead if i'm not mistaken. What ever happened on the road wouldn't count.

  • @DarkVeghetta
    @DarkVeghetta 3 месяца назад +2

    Many people hate Walder Frey. Personally, I'm impressed by his fecundity, his great age, and his wroth (Rob had it coming). Say what you will, but the man secured his genetic lineage like few before him.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  3 месяца назад +2

      He's a scumbag, but he does care about his family

  • @kewinczarny5985
    @kewinczarny5985 29 дней назад

    You realize that Greens are right the moment when Freys start to support Rhaenyra...

  • @starling2154
    @starling2154 Месяц назад

    using mayhaps, talking about the Freys...genius!

  • @mardel1607
    @mardel1607 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video!

  • @thecocomonk2657
    @thecocomonk2657 Год назад +2

    Provide a valuable service = Everyone gets mad for charging for its use.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +1

      The early Freys got their power and wealth through innovation, not blood

  • @acc4670
    @acc4670 Год назад +1

    Usually I dont subscribe to people before seeing a couple of videos that I like.
    It's been a long time since I smashed that subscribe button on the first video lol

  • @mariapdr3261
    @mariapdr3261 Год назад +3

    The best House name is Manwoody.

  • @bananaboy444
    @bananaboy444 2 месяца назад

    0:40 HE SAID MAYHAPS
    GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT

  • @DeCode343
    @DeCode343 3 месяца назад +1

    The crannogman are the french of westeros 😂

  • @MrHurdleking24
    @MrHurdleking24 Год назад +1

    This was pretty coool

  • @arabtrooper3929
    @arabtrooper3929 Год назад +1

    Lmao sir Elmo 😂

  • @judeconnor-macintyre9874
    @judeconnor-macintyre9874 19 дней назад

    You're just upset that you don't have a bridge.

  • @thehonestaspy102
    @thehonestaspy102 3 месяца назад

    If there words do turn out to be "Stand Together" then that is a delicious irony given Walders brood are the biggest bunch of scheming backstabbers south of the Dreadfort!

  • @jeanpaulsinatra
    @jeanpaulsinatra 9 месяцев назад +1

    Only 600 years? How utterly nouveau riche. They might put on airs and graces, but everybody knows their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was a common fisherman. All fur coats and no knickers, I tell you.

  • @tapioristolainen
    @tapioristolainen Год назад +1

    a nice surprise to see my version of daemon targaryen's arms on 6:50 map

  • @nicolasclermont893
    @nicolasclermont893 Год назад +2

    Quite literally they are bridge trolls

  • @bradwolf07
    @bradwolf07 Год назад +2

    It's been a while since I read the Dunk and Egg stories, but I thought the Young Lord Walder was a baby (not 4 year old). I will have to recheck that.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +2

      You might be right 👀

    • @bradwolf07
      @bradwolf07 Год назад

      @@fantasyhaven1 either way, Young Walder was deeply unpleasant and someone should have spared the Seven Kingdoms from him

  • @nunyabiznes33
    @nunyabiznes33 Год назад +2

    Wasn't the Riverlands one independent kingdom only once? Seems it has been mostly petty kingdoms for most of its history. Did the Freys only came about during that time? There were no mentions of them being kings at some point in their history, unlike the Tullys and other houses like Brakens ane Blackwoods.

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +3

      We don't know specifically when the Freys became Lords, just that it happened before the Hoares took over

  • @Argos-xb8ek
    @Argos-xb8ek 29 дней назад

    One of the few things Walder cared for was blood relations atleast in the books its why the Freys are also so dangerous they have so many connections to different families that should one succession go contested a Frey probably has a blood claim to it and for all his repulsiveness Walder made sure everyone of his blood has a role and place to lay their head. I doubt Lord Walder had he got what he was promised would've made a choice. Then again by that point the North wasn't looking too good and Walder could've just felt it best to hedge his bets like Tywin did.

  • @alanlujan4595
    @alanlujan4595 Год назад +5

    But everything changed when the fire 🔥 nation attacked. And by Fire Nation of course I mean Three ancestral dragons 🐉 riders. I spit out my orange 🍊 juice 🧃 trough my nose 👃 laughing 😆 so hard.

  • @noirekuroraigami2270
    @noirekuroraigami2270 Год назад +3

    Hey bro, you guys were very entertaining. Ima check the other guy out

  • @MinosAnemos_
    @MinosAnemos_ 4 месяца назад

    man I love your vids ♥️♥️♥️♥️

  • @lawv804
    @lawv804 3 месяца назад

    Robb died like the oathbreaking dog he was.

  • @LordPinkmaiden
    @LordPinkmaiden Год назад +9

    Walder irredeemably destroyed the Frey legacy.

  • @saucerar7615
    @saucerar7615 Год назад +2

    your graphic desain passion is hot

  • @Madmij
    @Madmij 2 месяца назад

    The freys are very much the Cambells of westeros

  • @twiggyjali
    @twiggyjali 4 месяца назад

    600 years and still no motto?? come ooooonnnn

  • @kimok4716
    @kimok4716 Год назад +4

    The Freys are one of the youngest noble houses in westeros, they're only 600 years old
    Bruh thats more than 90% of European royal houses haha

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +1

      The average House in Westeros is like 1000 years old, the Freys are children by comparison lmao

    • @kimok4716
      @kimok4716 Год назад +6

      @@fantasyhaven1
      Age of houses and castle dimensions are among the most over the top elements of this universe lol

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +3

      Yeah GRRM does not have a brain for measurements

  • @CatotheE
    @CatotheE 9 месяцев назад

    4:54 There are better options of course, but I think it's worth mentioning that it's specified that the Frey was a younger son. The same thing happened with Genna. It's specified that it's the second son. I think George does that for a reason. There's snobbery when it comes to the Freys, but I do think it's exaggerated. Walder Frey complains about the Hoster refusing to marry Edmure off to one of his girls, but Hoster did try to arrange a marriage between his brother and one of the Freys. He wasn't against the idea of it. Compare that to Littlefinger, who was tossed out of Riverrun for trying to get with a Tully.

  • @piebrostheman
    @piebrostheman Год назад +4

    Letsssss fuckin go

  • @julioulloa5403
    @julioulloa5403 Год назад +2

    How about a video about house arryn??? That could be fun too❤

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +2

      Don't worry, I'll be doing every House great and small

  • @fledged_podcast7959
    @fledged_podcast7959 Год назад +1

    maybe do a video on the History of House Bolton

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +2

      I plan to do every single House eventually

  • @the638
    @the638 Год назад +1

    House Frey is just a bunch of bridge trolls

  • @ajae...
    @ajae... Год назад +2

    If Walder Frey takes marriage alliances so seriously then why do his wives on the show look like he found them on the side of the road? Did that only start when he became old?

    • @edrickhuge4637
      @edrickhuge4637 Год назад +1

      Yes of course

    • @ajae...
      @ajae... Год назад

      @@edrickhuge4637 Yes of course what? He found women to marry on the side of the road?

    • @edrickhuge4637
      @edrickhuge4637 Год назад

      @@ajae... litteraly randons, they are disposable bedwarmer unlike his fiesg few wives. With each new wive he became less valuable

    • @fantasyhaven1
      @fantasyhaven1  Год назад +9

      I think it's meant to represent how the quality of wives have degraded - his first was from the powerful House Royce, his current is from House Erenford (a minor Frey vassal)

  • @duke_vdun
    @duke_vdun Месяц назад

    My Favorites house, the House of absolute Chads.